I would have asked a bit more abruptly than he did. the problem I have is that I do not know if the NFB, ACB or any of the other blindness ors even support or oppose litigation against the AAG (American Author's Guild). I am an NFB member and if litigation is the tool to use, then I would use it.
one of the things we need to establish is: 1. who owns the AAG 2. who funds it 3. who manages it. question #2 is the important one as the money they get is the key to answering 1 & 3. follow the money and you find out who is behind the organization. Now I realize that the NFB does market their own gadgets, but, they also need to allow other technologies to compete. this is the way of the market. competition fosters innovation. an accessible kindle device/app and books would force them to innovate to make something better. right now, the market is being artificially limited by a confluence of ignorance, financial barriers to entry and simple fear. they say knowledge is power, and so is information. since we are being restricted from gaining information, we need to forcefully acquire it. one way is to vote with our wallets. failing that, litigation is the second route. protests and the court of public opinion can also work but have been increasingly ineffective given the dirty of news on everything else of late. I know! lets pull a page right out of the progressive playbook. start an occupy movement in front of the American Author's Guild and any of the publishing houses in NYC. I know the last protest lasted a single day. what we need is a multiday event. at the end of business each day, we go to our hotels, homes or other living quarters and then show up bright and early the next day. if we are persistent enough, they will get the message and back off. things like this do take time though. just some thoughts on how to get what we legally paid for (and cannot use). -eric On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > lol, > > Isn't this getting a bit out of hand? Your asking this 1 person to defend > himself? IDK, either he's telling the truth, or he's not, either way, what > does it change? Sounds like your trying to put the guy up on perjury > charges. lol. Documentary evidence? come on. > > JMO. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Mar 25, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Sean Murphy <mhysnm1...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Ray, >> >> If the NFB is a a posed to this. Then what supporting documentation do you >> have to support this and what actually are they doing to try and resolve the >> issue. The issue also effects Braille readers from my understanding. >> >> since this issue is not new and has been around for years. I would have >> expected a more proactive approach to the whole issue. But nothing has >> changed. Can this be done via the ADA? >> >> Another question, can this be enforced in other countries? >> >> Sean >> >> On 25/03/2012, at 10:11 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> In defense of the NFB, we do in fact oppose the Author's guild in this >>> matter. any implication otherwise is simply in error. >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>> >>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >>> >>> Skype name: >>> barefootedray >>> >>> Facebook: >>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >>> >>>> not sure what they are, or are not, doing. I am thinking that they may >>>> think the case may be hard to win. personally, it may be about the cost >>>> the lawyers are going to extract before any monies get paid to the >>>> recipients of the class. >>>> >>>> anyway, I really hate to have to use the hammer of the law, but what else >>>> can one do against a privately held LLC like the American Author's Guild. >>>> >>>> -eric >>>> >>>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Sean Murphy wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> >>>>> What is the NFB, ACB, and other organisations who support print disable >>>>> people doing about this? >>>>> >>>>> They have the funds and expertise to challenge it in a class action. I >>>>> >>>>> In relation to the number of people who have been restricted from reading >>>>> Ebooks via this method is larger then America. This effects any country >>>>> that you can buy Amazon books. The DMR also effects purchasing of Audio >>>>> books from other english speaking country. So the Authors Gill is forcing >>>>> American law on to other countries which is a bigger problem. >>>>> >>>>> The problem has to be fixed within USA. So guys I would suggest you all >>>>> start talking to your federal members of government, NFB, etc. Get >>>>> everyone involved who is USA and feels the same. Make this a real big >>>>> problem. Being quite about it or complaining on this or other list isn't >>>>> enough. >>>>> >>>>> Get out there and do something proactive. I would, but I am not an >>>>> American citizen. So I cannot even leave base one. >>>>> >>>>> Sean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 25/03/2012, at 4:26 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Say Steve, your reply appears to be way at the bottom of the message. >>>>>> Unless i am mistaken, it seems to be common practice to set one's e-mail >>>>>> client to set the reply at the top of the message. Less scroling down. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Skype name: >>>>>> barefootedray >>>>>> >>>>>> Facebook: >>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 07:03:30PM -0700, Jamie Tachiyama wrote: >>>>>>>> They get around it by making the Kindle for PC app accessible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Hank Smith <hanksm...@hanksmith.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> so because of stupid drm copy write crap the blind can't read the >>>>>>>>> ebooks? >>>>>>>>> On 3/22/2012 6:30 PM, Esther wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are a number of ebook apps that specifically disable >>>>>>>>>> VoiceOver's >>>>>>>>>> ability to access the content in order to preserve digital rights >>>>>>>>>> management. This is also true if you try to use the Barnes & Noble >>>>>>>>>> Nook app, for example. You'll notice that usually you can access >>>>>>>>>> everything except for the actual content of the text. That's being >>>>>>>>>> blocked. You can verify this by taking a screen capture, and sending >>>>>>>>>> the results to an OCR app like Prizmo or TextGrabber. The OCR app >>>>>>>>>> will tell you what the contents are, but obviously you're not going >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> read the book by screen capturing every page and sending it to an >>>>>>>>>> OCR app. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you want to read another example of this viewpoint, that the >>>>>>>>>> ability of screen readers to access text would promote copyright >>>>>>>>>> violation, take a look at Greg Kearney's posted response from >>>>>>>>>> Fictionwise in the archives, sent in reply to his inquiry about ebook >>>>>>>>>> accessibility for their ebook reading app just a few months after the >>>>>>>>>> iPhone 3GS was released with VoiceOver support: >>>>>>>>>> • Fwd: Response for Support Ticket #102495 >>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg06200.html >>>>>>>>>> Since this is the Mail Archive post, if you're reading on your >>>>>>>>>> computer, you can also use access key shortcuts of Control-N to read >>>>>>>>>> down the thread for other reader comments. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Esther >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Forget it. It ain't gonna happen. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It ain't accessible at all. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Skype name: >>>>>>>>>>> barefootedray >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Facebook: >>>>>>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >>>>>>>>>>> <http://m.facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1?refid=0> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I downloaded the Kindle app so I can read some of the books that my >>>>>>>>>>>> wife is reading. I can't, however, figure out how to get it to >>>>>>>>>>>> work. Has anybody had success with the Kindle app? Is it >>>>>>>>>>>> accessible? Any tips? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It looks like, to me, that it is displaying images instead of >>>>>>>>>>>> rendering the text. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thx, >>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> websites: >>>>>>>>> http://www.fivedollarfreedomplan.com/hs5leap.html >>>>>>>>> http://www.tmiwireless.com/?aid=54868 >>>>>>>>> http://www.tmiwireless.com/affiliate/?aid=54868 >>>>>>>>> personal email: >>>>>>>>> hanksm...@hanksmith.net >>>>>>>>> facebook: >>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 >>>>>>>>> Klango: >>>>>>>>> hanksmith >>>>>>>>> Skype: >>>>>>>>> hank.smith966 >>>>>>>>> Amateur radio call sign: >>>>>>>>> ke7ief >>>>>>>>> check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville >>>>>>>>> Tennessee! >>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A >>>>>>>>> also you can find my youtube channel at: >>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Jamie T >>>>>>>> Twitter: jathlete76 >>>>>>>> Facebook: jathlete76 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, but that's only valid for windows users. What about those who >>>>>>> use a mac or linux? That's the typical line; use windows and shut up, >>>>>>> or do without. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also another point that was never made on this thread is disabling >>>>>>> book access through VoiceOver and other a11y technologies is denying >>>>>>> access to Braille readers! To use Braille devices on IOS devices, you >>>>>>> need to use VoiceOver. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eric, right on about the publishers, theyare in the same greedy pocket >>>>>>> along with RIAA and MPAA! Another thing one can do with screen reader >>>>>>> solutions instead of audio recorded books is direct scanning; I mean >>>>>>> the ability to verify spellings or formula contents and such. A >>>>>>> sighted person can look at thee screen or printed page and see things >>>>>>> character by character as needed. we can do the same with VO or by >>>>>>> reading with a Braille display. 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