Re: pdf and mac question

[Jonathan Cohn]

Another thing you should know… According to discussions on the WEB AIM mailing 
list, Macintosh generated PDF’s do not include TAGS, which are essential for 
proper reading of the alternative text in graphics and various other 
structures. 

While Preview on the Macintosh also does not interpret PDF tags, for full 
understanding by the entire user community of a complex document, you should be 
using PDF-UA which is an international standard.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On 25 Mar 2016, at 00:11, John Weir  wrote:
> 
> because the PC automatically zip it.   Ie compresses it to send. You can do 
> the same with the mac.  John
> 
> On 3/24/16 7:27 PM, Jean wrote:
>> Hello All:
>> I have a document which is about 260 pages and contains quite a lot of 
>> photos and figures. If it is converted from word to pdf on a mac it ends up 
>> being 115 megs in size. But if it is converted on a pc it become 6 megs. Why 
>> is this? What is the difference in files?
>> Jean
>> 
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Re: How to add an item to the dock?

[Donna Goodin]

This is interesting.  I had never even heard of the Drag after or Drag before 
commands.  Good to know there's a way to do this, but I think I'll just stick 
to using the contextual menu or the keyboard command.
Cheers,
Donna

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> FWIW, I was able in the latest OS to get the VO drag commands to move 
> something to the dock.
> 
> 1. Go into system preferences- Dock and uncheck “Automatically hide and show 
> the Dock unchecked checkbox” 
> 2. Don’t use the drag command but instead use the drag after or drag before 
> commands ( vo-Greater and VO-< )
> 
> Though generally, I just use the contextual menu when the application is 
> running.
> 
> I wonder if that would be considered an accessibility bug that the Dock hides 
> itself before the drag operation can complete  
> Certainly, sighted folks can use spring loaded folders and other wizbang 
> stuff when dragging and dropping. Though I can’t imagine exactly how such 
> would be controlled. 
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>> On 24 Mar 2016, at 10:20, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you, Shawn!!!  I knew there was a command to do this, but I couldn't 
>> find it on my Mac using Spotlight, nor could I turn it up using Google.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna. Alternatively, if the app isn't running in the background, find 
>>> it in the Applications folder and then press Control+Command+Shift+T. HTH.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
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>>> 
 On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?  I'm trying to add an item to 
 the dock.  I press CMD comma to mark it, then CMD . to move it.  I just 
 keep getting the dragging noise.  The Mac seems to want a third keystroke, 
 but I have no idea what that would be.  Have tried space, Enter, and 
 VO-Space, but they all just abort the drag and Drop.  Alternatively, if 
 there's a keyboard command that would do this, I'd love to know.  I've 
 searched the menus for such a command, but have not found it.  
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Getting contacts from iPod touch to iphone 5s

[Stacey Robinson]

Hello,
How do I get contacts to transfer from my iPod fourth gen to my iPhone 5S?
Icloud is on and contacts is on on both devices.
Blessings,
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Re: Getting contacts from iPod touch to iphone 5s

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Just sync them both to iCloud and they should be available on both devices.  If 
you have them in different groups you may have to combine them with a cut and 
paste move but in general, if you’re syncing devices to iCloud you should be 
able to see the same contacts on one as the other and when you add a contact to 
one device it populates your others.

Hope that helps.

> On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:27 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
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> Hello,
> How do I get contacts to transfer from my iPod fourth gen to my iPhone 5S?
> Icloud is on and contacts is on on both devices.
> Blessings,
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Starbucks Order And Pay

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi guys:
I am trying to use the Starbucks app to order ahead. I can choose the drink. I 
cannot figure out with voiceover how to change my drink size, add expresso 
shots etc. Any idea?

Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

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Re: Getting contacts from iPod touch to iphone 5s

[Stacey Robinson]

How do I do this syncing process.
I’ve not used icloud much.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Just sync them both to iCloud and they should be available on both devices.  
> If you have them in different groups you may have to combine them with a cut 
> and paste move but in general, if you’re syncing devices to iCloud you should 
> be able to see the same contacts on one as the other and when you add a 
> contact to one device it populates your others.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:27 AM, Stacey Robinson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> How do I get contacts to transfer from my iPod fourth gen to my iPhone 5S?
>> Icloud is on and contacts is on on both devices.
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
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Microsoft Office Team Looking for Users of Outlook on a Mac

[kelly]

Hi,

 

Although it is my personal address subscribed here, I work at Microsoft and
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Problem with imap gmail on Mac OS

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
I am using VoiceOver on my 2008 iMac with El Capitan 10.11.4 and Apple mail to 
create a new Email for my gmail account which is set up as imap. Note that the 
below problem has happened on every El Capitan release and also on every 
Yosemite release. 

SO I start the Apple mail application and press command+n to create a new 
message. I type the message text, and then edit it to correct errors. I then 
send the message. If I then look at the contents of the trash mail box I see 
numerous copies of the above Email. It seems that someone is saving the Email 
after every edit action. This fills up my trash mail box and presumably also 
fills up gmail and consumes network traffic. It also presumably uses needless 
processing power to do all this and thereby slows down my machine. 

Do others see this problem and if so have you found a way to stop this 
behaviour? 

Best regards….

Paul Hopewell 

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Re: Starbucks Order And Pay

[Basioli George]

ok i just did this on a 6 s+,

opened the app
doubbled tapped on order
flicked to i found grando americona and dubbled taped
on the next screen you need to doubble tap on 1 grand americona
now in the next page you will have a discription of the drink, then a place to 
doubble tap to add more water and then another place to add shots and then 
another place to add extras like sourps, etc. then move on from there by 
doubble tapping on reset recipe.

i have noticed and have talked to the main office since i live just outside 
seattle and let them know non of their links, buttons are not labeled as such.  
for example the reset recipe should say reset recipe / button or link or what 
ever it is.

i even tried now before sending this to you by turning on the hints, and there 
is not even any hint for the example reset recipe.

h t h
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys:
> I am trying to use the Starbucks app to order ahead. I can choose the drink. 
> I cannot figure out with voiceover how to change my drink size, add expresso 
> shots etc. Any idea?
> 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

No there’s no new watch. The Mac isn’t dead it’s the Windows desktop machine 
that is dead.

Regards,

Gena

> On 23 Mar 2016, at 21:31, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> I haven’t heard the event yet.  Is there a new watch coming out yet?
>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 18:47, Sabahattin Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and had 
>> to catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two things 
>> I got out of the address:
>> 
>> 1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple 
>> wants to be in the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:
>> 
>> 2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than watching 
>> these things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets buggier 
>> and buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.
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Re: Starbucks Order And Pay

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

So you cannot do it either?
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Basioli George  wrote:
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> ok i just did this on a 6 s+,
> 
> opened the app
> doubbled tapped on order
> flicked to i found grando americona and dubbled taped
> on the next screen you need to doubble tap on 1 grand americona
> now in the next page you will have a discription of the drink, then a place 
> to doubble tap to add more water and then another place to add shots and then 
> another place to add extras like sourps, etc. then move on from there by 
> doubble tapping on reset recipe.
> 
> i have noticed and have talked to the main office since i live just outside 
> seattle and let them know non of their links, buttons are not labeled as 
> such.  for example the reset recipe should say reset recipe / button or link 
> or what ever it is.
> 
> i even tried now before sending this to you by turning on the hints, and 
> there is not even any hint for the example reset recipe.
> 
> h t h
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys:
>> I am trying to use the Starbucks app to order ahead. I can choose the drink. 
>> I cannot figure out with voiceover how to change my drink size, add expresso 
>> shots etc. Any idea?
>> 
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Checkbook

[Marie Lyons]

I have gotten stuck in the “What’s new in …” window. I can’t close this window 
and I can’t put in entries or look at accounts. Any ideas on what to do?

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Re: Starbucks Order And Pay

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

You can find the area, but cannot make any changes to drink size.
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Basioli George  wrote:
> 
> ok i just did this on a 6 s+,
> 
> opened the app
> doubbled tapped on order
> flicked to i found grando americona and dubbled taped
> on the next screen you need to doubble tap on 1 grand americona
> now in the next page you will have a discription of the drink, then a place 
> to doubble tap to add more water and then another place to add shots and then 
> another place to add extras like sourps, etc. then move on from there by 
> doubble tapping on reset recipe.
> 
> i have noticed and have talked to the main office since i live just outside 
> seattle and let them know non of their links, buttons are not labeled as 
> such.  for example the reset recipe should say reset recipe / button or link 
> or what ever it is.
> 
> i even tried now before sending this to you by turning on the hints, and 
> there is not even any hint for the example reset recipe.
> 
> h t h
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys:
>> I am trying to use the Starbucks app to order ahead. I can choose the drink. 
>> I cannot figure out with voiceover how to change my drink size, add expresso 
>> shots etc. Any idea?
>> 
>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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Re: Checkbook

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

VO f 2 vo down arrow to checkbook.
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 4:28 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
> 
> I have gotten stuck in the “What’s new in …” window. I can’t close this 
> window and I can’t put in entries or look at accounts. Any ideas on what to 
> do?
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RE: Getting contacts from iPod touch to iphone 5s

[Simon Fogarty]

Make sure your signed up to iCloud and your syncing contacts,
Then when you setup your iPhone ensure you have the same thing set and your 
contacts should be there
I sync contacts through all my devices that way


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On Behalf Of Stacey Robinson
Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 3:27 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Getting contacts from iPod touch to iphone 5s

Hello,
How do I get contacts to transfer from my iPod fourth gen to my iPhone 5S?
Icloud is on and contacts is on on both devices.
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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el capitan performance

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi List,

Ok, so I've just in the past week reinstalled ElCapitan from scratch as it was 
origionally an update from Yosemite.

I was finding things like vo M would bring up the menus but I couldn't use down 
/ up arrows to scrole up or down the menus.
But could use VO up / down to get to what I needed.


I'm also finding and this could just be a new feature of ElCap
That I'm having to unlock everything in system preferences when I go to make 
simple changes such as
I'm running bootcamp also due to needing windows for work and I have to unlock 
startup drive when changing to bootcamp from OSX

Not overly worried about this but the bnot being able to scrole down menus is 
becoming a pain in the backside.

So I reinstalled from scratch including wiping my drive and the VO up / down 
issue was corrected, I then installed Bootcamp and dam it if the issue hasn't 
come back.

Is anyone else finding this to be an issue for them at all?

This is 10.11.3 running on a mid / late 2013 11inch mac book air.

And as yet no I haven't updated to 10.11.4
And no I can't drop bootcamp without having to then buy a windows computer 
which I don't want.

Thanks for any info

Cheers,


Simon f

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RE: Getting contacts from iPod touch to iphone 5s

[Simon Fogarty]

If you just tick the contacts box in iCloud on your iPod  and make sure the 
contacts is ticked on your phone you wont have to do anything  it’s all magical 
and done for you.

Little cloud people push things out to your devices from the iCloud world.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Stacey Robinson
Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 4:17 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Getting contacts from iPod touch to iphone 5s

How do I do this syncing process.
I’ve not used icloud much.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

On Mar 25, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

Just sync them both to iCloud and they should be available on both devices.  If 
you have them in different groups you may have to combine them with a cut and 
paste move but in general, if you’re syncing devices to iCloud you should be 
able to see the same contacts on one as the other and when you add a contact to 
one device it populates your others.

Hope that helps.

On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:27 AM, Stacey Robinson 
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net>> wrote:

Hello,
How do I get contacts to transfer from my iPod fourth gen to my iPhone 5S?
Icloud is on and contacts is on on both devices.
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


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RE: How to add an item to the dock?

[Simon Fogarty]

A shock from that one also.

What is the difference between drag and drop and drag after and drag before?


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Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 2:59 AM
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Subject: Re: How to add an item to the dock?

This is interesting.  I had never even heard of the Drag after or Drag before 
commands.  Good to know there's a way to do this, but I think I'll just stick 
to using the contextual menu or the keyboard command.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> FWIW, I was able in the latest OS to get the VO drag commands to move 
> something to the dock.
> 
> 1. Go into system preferences- Dock and uncheck “Automatically hide and show 
> the Dock unchecked checkbox” 
> 2. Don’t use the drag command but instead use the drag after or drag 
> before commands ( vo-Greater and VO-< )
> 
> Though generally, I just use the contextual menu when the application is 
> running.
> 
> I wonder if that would be considered an accessibility bug that the 
> Dock hides itself before the drag operation can complete Certainly, sighted 
> folks can use spring loaded folders and other wizbang stuff when dragging and 
> dropping. Though I can’t imagine exactly how such would be controlled.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 24 Mar 2016, at 10:20, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you, Shawn!!!  I knew there was a command to do this, but I couldn't 
>> find it on my Mac using Spotlight, nor could I turn it up using Google.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna. Alternatively, if the app isn't running in the background, find 
>>> it in the Applications folder and then press Control+Command+Shift+T. HTH.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:42 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?  I'm trying to add an item to 
 the dock.  I press CMD comma to mark it, then CMD . to move it.  I just 
 keep getting the dragging noise.  The Mac seems to want a third keystroke, 
 but I have no idea what that would be.  Have tried space, Enter, and 
 VO-Space, but they all just abort the drag and Drop.  Alternatively, if 
 there's a keyboard command that would do this, I'd love to know.  I've 
 searched the menus for such a command, but have not found it.  
 TIA,
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RE: Starbucks Order And Pay

[Simon Fogarty]

There is a star bucks app?

 This worlds going crazy!



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On Behalf Of Basioli George
Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 6:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Starbucks Order And Pay

ok i just did this on a 6 s+,

opened the app
doubbled tapped on order
flicked to i found grando americona and dubbled taped on the next screen you 
need to doubble tap on 1 grand americona now in the next page you will have a 
discription of the drink, then a place to doubble tap to add more water and 
then another place to add shots and then another place to add extras like 
sourps, etc. then move on from there by doubble tapping on reset recipe.

i have noticed and have talked to the main office since i live just outside 
seattle and let them know non of their links, buttons are not labeled as such.  
for example the reset recipe should say reset recipe / button or link or what 
ever it is.

i even tried now before sending this to you by turning on the hints, and there 
is not even any hint for the example reset recipe.

h t h
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys:
> I am trying to use the Starbucks app to order ahead. I can choose the drink. 
> I cannot figure out with voiceover how to change my drink size, add expresso 
> shots etc. Any idea?
> 
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Re: Getting contacts from iPod touch to iphone 5s

[Stacey Robinson]

I’ve turned both on but the contacts haven’t moved from one to the other.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> If you just tick the contacts box in iCloud on your iPod  and make sure the 
> contacts is ticked on your phone you wont have to do anything  it’s all 
> magical and done for you.
>  
> Little cloud people push things out to your devices from the iCloud world.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Stacey Robinson
> Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 4:17 AM
> To: Macvisionaries  >
> Subject: Re: Getting contacts from iPod touch to iphone 5s
>  
> How do I do this syncing process.
> I’ve not used icloud much.
>  
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
>  
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>  
> Just sync them both to iCloud and they should be available on both devices.  
> If you have them in different groups you may have to combine them with a cut 
> and paste move but in general, if you’re syncing devices to iCloud you should 
> be able to see the same contacts on one as the other and when you add a 
> contact to one device it populates your others.
>  
> Hope that helps.
>  
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:27 AM, Stacey Robinson  > wrote:
>  
> Hello,
> How do I get contacts to transfer from my iPod fourth gen to my iPhone 5S?
> Icloud is on and contacts is on on both devices.
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
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pdf documents

[Jean]

Thank you for the explanation. How does one make a pdf ua? I don’t see any 
option for this when I try to export a document. Also, if a pdf is 
automatically zipped is it still universal? In other words, what is the best 
way to create a pdf document which is both universally readable and small 
enough to email if it is large?
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Re: Getting contacts from iPod touch to iphone 5s

[E.T.]

   Have you actually selected what services you  want activated  on 
each device? iCloud will only sync the data you choose on every device 
in the same iCloud account.


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   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 3/25/2016 3:11 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

I’ve turned both on but the contacts haven’t moved from one to the other.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Mar 25, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

If you just tick the contacts box in iCloud on your iPod  and make
sure the contacts is ticked on your phone you wont have to do
anything  it’s all magical and done for you.
Little cloud people push things out to your devices from the iCloud world.
*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]*On
Behalf Of*Stacey Robinson
*Sent:*Saturday, 26 March 2016 4:17 AM
*To:*Macvisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
*Subject:*Re: Getting contacts from iPod touch to iphone 5s
How do I do this syncing process.
I’ve not used icloud much.
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

On Mar 25, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
Just sync them both to iCloud and they should be available on both
devices.  If you have them in different groups you may have to
combine them with a cut and paste move but in general, if you’re
syncing devices to iCloud you should be able to see the same
contacts on one as the other and when you add a contact to one
device it populates your others.
Hope that helps.

On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:27 AM, Stacey Robinson
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
Hello,
How do I get contacts to transfer from my iPod fourth gen to
my iPhone 5S?
Icloud is on and contacts is on on both devices.
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device

[Mary Otten]

I have a very nice keyboard with the cable that has a lightning connector on 
it. I have used it to type notes on my iPad mini. I'm wondering if anybody has 
ever heard of a device sort of an adapter, that you could use to convert the 
lightning plug to a micro USB plug for use on other devices which take micro 
USB input. I am thinking specifically of android devices, such as the Nexus 
line. Any thoughts?
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Re: Starbucks Order And Pay

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Yep. My findings too.
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 4:33 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
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> You can find the area, but cannot make any changes to drink size.
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Basioli George  wrote:
>> 
>> ok i just did this on a 6 s+,
>> 
>> opened the app
>> doubbled tapped on order
>> flicked to i found grando americona and dubbled taped
>> on the next screen you need to doubble tap on 1 grand americona
>> now in the next page you will have a discription of the drink, then a place 
>> to doubble tap to add more water and then another place to add shots and 
>> then another place to add extras like sourps, etc. then move on from there 
>> by doubble tapping on reset recipe.
>> 
>> i have noticed and have talked to the main office since i live just outside 
>> seattle and let them know non of their links, buttons are not labeled as 
>> such.  for example the reset recipe should say reset recipe / button or link 
>> or what ever it is.
>> 
>> i even tried now before sending this to you by turning on the hints, and 
>> there is not even any hint for the example reset recipe.
>> 
>> h t h
>>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
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>>> Hi guys:
>>> I am trying to use the Starbucks app to order ahead. I can choose the 
>>> drink. I cannot figure out with voiceover how to change my drink size, add 
>>> expresso shots etc. Any idea?
>>> 
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Re: el capitan performance

[Terje Strømberg]

A mail tips. In the adress field, if you want to send to more than one, you can 
hit «enter» and type the next e-mail adress. Enter is the key in the «subject» 
field also, therefore i mentioned it, after typing the subject, you can hit 
«enter» again and the cursor are right in the main text edit field. Fast and 
easy.

If you are in and reading an email in the text field and the vo+j don’t work 
sunnenly, you can hit ctrl-option-command + the home key, vo+j, once or towice 
and now you are in the mail boxes table, hit vo+j one more time. 

OSX 10.11.4 in the classic version of mail.

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Re: Starbucks Order And Pay

[Basioli George]

ok my error eariler sory the reset put’s the choices you made back to defalt

i picked the americon again and grondy  and then the next screen doubbled tap 
on the 3 shots which is rite after the discription of the drink
now you should be taken to the next page and flick right with one finger and 
you will hear 3 shots after a couple of flicks, and then keep flicking to the 
right and you will hear something minous and flick again and you hear something 
plus.  sory i can not remember exactually the word before minous and plus and 
doubble tap on the plus once and if you flick left you will hear 4 shots.
now you have that comfermed start flicking to the right again and go past reset 
to you hear save and doubble tap.
now your taken back to the original screen where you got the discription of the 
drink and if you flick right you will now see it is 4 shots.
now flick down to you hear save and double tap.
now you can place the order or i think also save to your favorits

h t h
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 16:10 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Yep. My findings too.
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 4:33 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You can find the area, but cannot make any changes to drink size.
>>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Basioli George  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ok i just did this on a 6 s+,
>>> 
>>> opened the app
>>> doubbled tapped on order
>>> flicked to i found grando americona and dubbled taped
>>> on the next screen you need to doubble tap on 1 grand americona
>>> now in the next page you will have a discription of the drink, then a place 
>>> to doubble tap to add more water and then another place to add shots and 
>>> then another place to add extras like sourps, etc. then move on from there 
>>> by doubble tapping on reset recipe.
>>> 
>>> i have noticed and have talked to the main office since i live just outside 
>>> seattle and let them know non of their links, buttons are not labeled as 
>>> such.  for example the reset recipe should say reset recipe / button or 
>>> link or what ever it is.
>>> 
>>> i even tried now before sending this to you by turning on the hints, and 
>>> there is not even any hint for the example reset recipe.
>>> 
>>> h t h
 On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
  wrote:
 
 Hi guys:
 I am trying to use the Starbucks app to order ahead. I can choose the 
 drink. I cannot figure out with voiceover how to change my drink size, add 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wait, I'm confused.  Are you saying that Windows based desktops are no longer 
going to exist?
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Georgina Joyce 
  To: AppleVis List 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 6:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event


  Hello,


  No there’s no new watch. The Mac isn’t dead it’s the Windows desktop machine 
that is dead.


  Regards,


  Gena


On 23 Mar 2016, at 21:31, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:


I haven’t heard the event yet.  Is there a new watch coming out yet?

  On 23 Mar 2016, at 18:47, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:


  I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and 
had to catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two 
things I got out of the address:

  1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple 
wants to be in the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:

  2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than watching 
these things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets buggier 
and buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Ryan Mann]

If that's what this person is saying, it is not accurate. Windows is still very 
much alive in businesses.

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> Wait, I'm confused.  Are you saying that Windows based desktops are no longer 
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> Hello,
> 
> No there’s no new watch. The Mac isn’t dead it’s the Windows desktop machine 
> that is dead.
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> Regards,
> 
> Gena
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>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 21:31, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I haven’t heard the event yet.  Is there a new watch coming out yet?
>>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 18:47, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and had 
>>> to catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two 
>>> things I got out of the address:
>>> 
>>> 1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple 
>>> wants to bein the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:
>>> 
>>> 2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than watching 
>>> these things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets 
>>> buggier and buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.
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Re: el capitan performance

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I'm using 10.11.4 as of now, however that being said, I did have Bootcamp 
installed on 10.11.3, and I never saw the behavior you're describing.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 5:37 PM
  Subject: el capitan performance


  Hi List,

   

  Ok, so I’ve just in the past week reinstalled ElCapitan from scratch as it 
was origionally an update from Yosemite.

   

  I was finding things like vo M would bring up the menus but I couldn’t use 
down / up arrows to scrole up or down the menus.

  But could use VO up / down to get to what I needed.

   

   

  I’m also finding and this could just be a new feature of ElCap 

  That I’m having to unlock everything in system preferences when I go to make 
simple changes such as 

  I’m running bootcamp also due to needing windows for work and I have to 
unlock startup drive when changing to bootcamp from OSX 

   

  Not overly worried about this but the bnot being able to scrole down menus is 
becoming a pain in the backside.

   

  So I reinstalled from scratch including wiping my drive and the VO up / down 
issue was corrected, I then installed Bootcamp and dam it if the issue hasn’t 
come back.

   

  Is anyone else finding this to be an issue for them at all?

   

  This is 10.11.3 running on a mid / late 2013 11inch mac book air.

   

  And as yet no I haven’t updated to 10.11.4 

  And no I can’t drop bootcamp without having to then buy a windows computer 
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  Thanks for any info 

   

  Cheers,

   

   

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Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

This may sound like a weird question.  Maybe I'm not completely 
understanding, but if you're using what I think you are, could you not just 
bluetooth the thing to the Android device instead of connecting it via 
lightning/micro USB?  Sorry if I'm a little bit confused.

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To: ; 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 6:41 PM
Subject: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
device



I have a very nice keyboard with the cable that has a lightning connector on 
it. I have used it to type notes on my iPad mini. I'm wondering if anybody 
has ever heard of a device sort of an adapter, that you could use to convert 
the lightning plug to a micro USB plug for use on other devices which take 
micro USB input. I am thinking specifically of android devices, such as the 
Nexus line. Any thoughts?

Mary


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Re: el capitan performance

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Oh wow!  I knew about hitting enter in the to field, but not about hitting 
return while in the subject to move to the main body.  I gotta try that!  If 
that works, I'm gonna be a very happy camper.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Terje Strømberg" 

To: "Mac Group" 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: el capitan performance


A mail tips. In the adress field, if you want to send to more than one, you 
can hit «enter» and type the next e-mail adress. Enter is the key in the 
«subject» field also, therefore i mentioned it, after typing the subject, 
you can hit «enter» again and the cursor are right in the main text edit 
field. Fast and easy.


If you are in and reading an email in the text field and the vo+j don’t work 
sunnenly, you can hit ctrl-option-command + the home key, vo+j, once or 
towice and now you are in the mail boxes table, hit vo+j one more time.


OSX 10.11.4 in the classic version of mail.

Take care

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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, I admit I didn't see the event, so I'm therefore probably confused, but 
that's why I'm asking for some clarification before just making kneejerk 
assumptions.
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  Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event


  If that's what this person is saying, it is not accurate. Windows is still 
very much alive in businesses.

  Sent from my iPhone

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Wait, I'm confused.  Are you saying that Windows based desktops are no 
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  Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 6:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event


  Hello,


  No there’s no new watch. The Mac isn’t dead it’s the Windows desktop 
machine that is dead.


  Regards,


  Gena


On 23 Mar 2016, at 21:31, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:


I haven’t heard the event yet.  Is there a new watch coming out yet?

  On 23 Mar 2016, at 18:47, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
wrote:


  I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, 
and had to catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two 
things I got out of the address:

  1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and 
Apple wants to be in the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:

  2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than 
watching these things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets 
buggier and buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.

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Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device

[Mary Otten]

No. This keyboard does not have Bluetooth. There've been so many issues with 
Bluetooth and iOS that I decided to get this keyboard that has the lightning 
connector. It is a great keyboard. It has a full set of vo keys on both sides 
of the space bar and a great typing feel, but it is not Bluetooth.
Mary


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> This may sound like a weird question.  Maybe I'm not completely 
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> bluetooth the thing to the Android device instead of connecting it via 
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> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 6:41 PM
> Subject: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device
> 
> 
> I have a very nice keyboard with the cable that has a lightning connector on 
> it. I have used it to type notes on my iPad mini. I'm wondering if anybody 
> has ever heard of a device sort of an adapter, that you could use to convert 
> the lightning plug to a micro USB plug for use on other devices which take 
> micro USB input. I am thinking specifically of android devices, such as the 
> Nexus line. Any thoughts?
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Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Gotcha.  I thought you were talking about the Magic Apple keyboard which can 
charge via USB.  I was like wait.  the lightning end goes into the keyboard, 
not the device.  I'm on the same page now.

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Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
device



No. This keyboard does not have Bluetooth. There've been so many issues with 
Bluetooth and iOS that I decided to get this keyboard that has the lightning 
connector. It is a great keyboard. It has a full set of vo keys on both 
sides of the space bar and a great typing feel, but it is not Bluetooth.

Mary


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This may sound like a weird question.  Maybe I'm not completely 
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To: ; 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 6:41 PM
Subject: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
device



I have a very nice keyboard with the cable that has a lightning connector 
on it. I have used it to type notes on my iPad mini. I'm wondering if 
anybody has ever heard of a device sort of an adapter, that you could use 
to convert the lightning plug to a micro USB plug for use on other devices 
which take micro USB input. I am thinking specifically of android devices, 
such as the Nexus line. Any thoughts?

Mary


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Opinion: Will limited device & app support lead 3D Touch to wither and die?

[Mary Otten]

In light of the recent discussion about the new iPhone and 3-D touch, I post 
the following.
Mary
Opinion: Will limited device & app support lead 3D Touch to wither and die?
9to5Mac  /  Ben Lovejoy


When Apple launched the iPhone 6s/Plus, 3D Touch was one of the headline 
features. Apple devoted a full four-minute video to showing what it does and 
how it works. Even today, visit the Apple website and click on the iPhone 6s, 
and it’s the first thing you see. Apple’s summary of the phone is ‘3D Touch, 
12MP photos, 4K video.’

The first tab at the top of the screen is 3D Touch. The first video linked is 
the one for 3D Touch. Scroll down the page for the detail of the phone, and 3D 
Touch – ‘the next generation of multi-touch’ – is again the first feature to be 
shown. Clearly Apple thinks it’s a big deal.

And yet, the company just this week unveiled not just one but two new iOS 
devices, neither of which offers the feature. This is perhaps understandable in 
the case of the iPhone SE – Apple needed some tech distinctions between its 
flagship phone and its new budget model. But it’s an odd omission from a brand 
new iPad …


I’ve heard two theories about why Apple hasn’t rolled out 3D Touch more widely. 
The first is that yield rates have been poor. That would limit the volumes in 
which the system can be produced, and make it an expensive feature to add. If 
that is indeed the case, it adds a second reason for Apple to withhold it from 
its cheapest ever iPhone.

The second is that there are significant challenges involved in scaling-up 3D 
Touch to larger screens, and that this is the reason we haven’t yet seen it on 
an iPad.

While both suggestions are unconfirmed, I think they are likely true – because 
otherwise, Apple’s behavior doesn’t make sense. There’s no other reason I can 
see to hold back from the latest iPad a feature the company champions so 
strongly.

But even if it’s manufacturing challenges holding back the wider rollout, it 
still effectively places the feature on hold for a large chunk of iOS users.



Nor is hardware support the only issue. While we have seen an increasing number 
of apps adding support for 3D Touch, it has still been adopted by only a 
minority of them. I haven’t seen any hard numbers, but if you follow the ‘View 
3D Touch apps in the App Store‘ link on Apple’s website, it shows only 56.

Clearly there are many more than that, but a random sampling of the third-party 
apps on the first two screens on my iPhone shows that just 9 out of 37 of them 
support 3D Touch. Whatever the overall percentage, it’s low.

If adding 3D Touch support to an app was a complex task, you could understand 
developers deciding not to bother until Apple makes it available on more 
devices. But it’s not: adding Home screen actions is extremely easy. For 
whatever reason, developers don’t appear to share Apple’s view of the 
importance of the feature.

And it’s not just third-party developers who haven’t fully embraced the 
feature: there are still native Apple apps that don’t. The Activity app, for 
one. That’s a pretty crazy state of affairs.



My sampling of my own apps brings up another big problem with 3D Touch. The 
only way I could tell which ones support it was to force-touch each one in 
turn. Trial-and-error. There’s no other way to tell.

As Forbes contributor Gordon Kelly put it in a Facebook discussion we were 
having yesterday: “For the record, I like 3D Touch, but it needs to be 
implemented in a way that removes the guesswork of what is and isn’t 3D Touch 
enabled.”

I’m going to be a little less polite than him. Just think about that from a UI 
perspective: an app may or may not support a headline feature of the phone, and 
the only way I can tell is by randomly stabbing at apps with my finger like a 
deranged monkey. That is utterly appalling UI design, and there’s no excuse for 
it from anyone – far less from Apple, which prides itself on usability above 
all else.

I would argue it’s also poor UI to have an operating system feature that may or 
may not be available depending on the device you’re using at the time. Sure, I 
understand that older devices may not be able to support all of the latest 
features, and that there are some features only practical on a larger screen. 
But someone switching between the flagship iPhone and the very latest iPad 
should not be seeing a feature on their phone that they can’t use on their iPad.



So 3D Touch seems to be trapped in a Catch-22 situation. App developers are 
seeing what looks like half-hearted support for it from Apple, and not even 
bothering to do the pretty trivial work involved in supporting Home screen 
actions, while Apple can’t really make too much fuss about a feature that some 
of its high-end iOS devices don’t have at all, and others have in only a 
relatively small percentage of apps.

This seems to me to call into question the future of the feature. Even if 3D 
Touch makes it into iPads in the next release,

RE: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

 I've not heard of Lightening to micro but I do know apple have a micro USB to 
lightening adaptor.You I think want a female lightening to Micro USB or Female 
Lightening to USB and then down to micro USB.

 Waw, either way that wil be complicated.

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Subject: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device

I have a very nice keyboard with the cable that has a lightning connector on 
it. I have used it to type notes on my iPad mini. I'm wondering if anybody has 
ever heard of a device sort of an adapter, that you could use to convert the 
lightning plug to a micro USB plug for use on other devices which take micro 
USB input. I am thinking specifically of android devices, such as the Nexus 
line. Any thoughts?
Mary


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RE: el capitan performance

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I’ts an odd ball

I”ve not seen it on other machines, but I haven’t seen another setup like mine.

I’m going to up date to 10.11.4 later today and see what happens.



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Subject: Re: el capitan performance

I'm using 10.11.4 as of now, however that being said, I did have Bootcamp 
installed on 10.11.3, and I never saw the behavior you're describing.
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Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 5:37 PM
Subject: el capitan performance

Hi List,

Ok, so I’ve just in the past week reinstalled ElCapitan from scratch as it was 
origionally an update from Yosemite.

I was finding things like vo M would bring up the menus but I couldn’t use down 
/ up arrows to scrole up or down the menus.
But could use VO up / down to get to what I needed.


I’m also finding and this could just be a new feature of ElCap
That I’m having to unlock everything in system preferences when I go to make 
simple changes such as
I’m running bootcamp also due to needing windows for work and I have to unlock 
startup drive when changing to bootcamp from OSX

Not overly worried about this but the bnot being able to scrole down menus is 
becoming a pain in the backside.

So I reinstalled from scratch including wiping my drive and the VO up / down 
issue was corrected, I then installed Bootcamp and dam it if the issue hasn’t 
come back.

Is anyone else finding this to be an issue for them at all?

This is 10.11.3 running on a mid / late 2013 11inch mac book air.

And as yet no I haven’t updated to 10.11.4
And no I can’t drop bootcamp without having to then buy a windows computer 
which I don’t want.

Thanks for any info

Cheers,


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RE: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

This keyboard sounds interesting, what is the model / brand?

Are you able to disconnect the cable?

I'm guessing not otherwise you wouldn't have had to ask the question.



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Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 1:13 PM
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Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
device

No. This keyboard does not have Bluetooth. There've been so many issues with 
Bluetooth and iOS that I decided to get this keyboard that has the lightning 
connector. It is a great keyboard. It has a full set of vo keys on both sides 
of the space bar and a great typing feel, but it is not Bluetooth.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

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> This may sound like a weird question.  Maybe I'm not completely 
> understanding, but if you're using what I think you are, could you not just 
> bluetooth the thing to the Android device instead of connecting it via 
> lightning/micro USB?  Sorry if I'm a little bit confused.
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> it. I have used it to type notes on my iPad mini. I'm wondering if anybody 
> has ever heard of a device sort of an adapter, that you could use to convert 
> the lightning plug to a micro USB plug for use on other devices which take 
> micro USB input. I am thinking specifically of android devices, such as the 
> Nexus line. Any thoughts?
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Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device

[Mary Otten]

Well, I did Google for this, and I hadn't come across anything that looked like 
what I want. I suppose there isn't a whole lot of demand for such a thing. I 
just like his keyboard, do not like dictation on android or editing on android 
on the touchscreen. So I thought I would see if perhaps I could use my keyboard 
there.
Mary


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> Hi Mary,
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> I've not heard of Lightening to micro but I do know apple have a micro USB to 
> lightening adaptor.You I think want a female lightening to Micro USB or 
> Female Lightening to USB and then down to micro USB.
> 
> Waw, either way that wil be complicated.
> 
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> it. I have used it to type notes on my iPad mini. I'm wondering if anybody 
> has ever heard of a device sort of an adapter, that you could use to convert 
> the lightning plug to a micro USB plug for use on other devices which take 
> micro USB input. I am thinking specifically of android devices, such as the 
> Nexus line. Any thoughts?
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Re: Opinion: Will limited device & app support lead 3D Touch to wither and die?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Mary,

Would you happen to have the direct URL to the 9 to 5 mac blog?  I'd really 
like to subscribe to it.
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  To: viph...@googlegroups.com ; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:45 PM
  Subject: Opinion: Will limited device & app support lead 3D Touch to wither 
and die?


  In light of the recent discussion about the new iPhone and 3-D touch, I post 
the following.
  Mary
  Opinion: Will limited device & app support lead 3D Touch to wither and die?
  9to5Mac  /  Ben Lovejoy



  When Apple launched the iPhone 6s/Plus, 3D Touch was one of the headline 
features. Apple devoted a full four-minute video to showing what it does and 
how it works. Even today, visit the Apple website and click on the iPhone 6s, 
and it’s the first thing you see. Apple’s summary of the phone is ‘3D Touch, 
12MP photos, 4K video.’

  The first tab at the top of the screen is 3D Touch. The first video linked is 
the one for 3D Touch. Scroll down the page for the detail of the phone, and 3D 
Touch – ‘the next generation of multi-touch’ – is again the first feature to be 
shown. Clearly Apple thinks it’s a big deal.

  And yet, the company just this week unveiled not just one but two new iOS 
devices, neither of which offers the feature. This is perhaps understandable in 
the case of the iPhone SE – Apple needed some tech distinctions between its 
flagship phone and its new budget model. But it’s an odd omission from a brand 
new iPad …


  I’ve heard two theories about why Apple hasn’t rolled out 3D Touch more 
widely. The first is that yield rates have been poor. That would limit the 
volumes in which the system can be produced, and make it an expensive feature 
to add. If that is indeed the case, it adds a second reason for Apple to 
withhold it from its cheapest ever iPhone.

  The second is that there are significant challenges involved in scaling-up 3D 
Touch to larger screens, and that this is the reason we haven’t yet seen it on 
an iPad.

  While both suggestions are unconfirmed, I think they are likely true – 
because otherwise, Apple’s behavior doesn’t make sense. There’s no other reason 
I can see to hold back from the latest iPad a feature the company champions so 
strongly.

  But even if it’s manufacturing challenges holding back the wider rollout, it 
still effectively places the feature on hold for a large chunk of iOS users.



  Nor is hardware support the only issue. While we have seen an increasing 
number of apps adding support for 3D Touch, it has still been adopted by only a 
minority of them. I haven’t seen any hard numbers, but if you follow the ‘View 
3D Touch apps in the App Store‘ link on Apple’s website, it shows only 56.

  Clearly there are many more than that, but a random sampling of the 
third-party apps on the first two screens on my iPhone shows that just 9 out of 
37 of them support 3D Touch. Whatever the overall percentage, it’s low.

  If adding 3D Touch support to an app was a complex task, you could understand 
developers deciding not to bother until Apple makes it available on more 
devices. But it’s not: adding Home screen actions is extremely easy. For 
whatever reason, developers don’t appear to share Apple’s view of the 
importance of the feature.

  And it’s not just third-party developers who haven’t fully embraced the 
feature: there are still native Apple apps that don’t. The Activity app, for 
one. That’s a pretty crazy state of affairs.



  My sampling of my own apps brings up another big problem with 3D Touch. The 
only way I could tell which ones support it was to force-touch each one in 
turn. Trial-and-error. There’s no other way to tell.

  As Forbes contributor Gordon Kelly put it in a Facebook discussion we were 
having yesterday: “For the record, I like 3D Touch, but it needs to be 
implemented in a way that removes the guesswork of what is and isn’t 3D Touch 
enabled.”

  I’m going to be a little less polite than him. Just think about that from a 
UI perspective: an app may or may not support a headline feature of the phone, 
and the only way I can tell is by randomly stabbing at apps with my finger like 
a deranged monkey. That is utterly appalling UI design, and there’s no excuse 
for it from anyone – far less from Apple, which prides itself on usability 
above all else.

  I would argue it’s also poor UI to have an operating system feature that may 
or may not be available depending on the device you’re using at the time. Sure, 
I understand that older devices may not be able to support all of the latest 
features, and that there are some features only practical on a larger screen. 
But someone switching between the flagship iPhone and the very latest iPad 
should not be seeing a feature on their phone that they can’t use on their iPad.



  So 3D Touch seems to b

RE: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah it's a good question,
I would start with apple and  ask if they do a female lightening adaptor to 
either micro USB or USB 
It would end up being a maze of adaptor cables.


Good luck and I'd like to know about the keyboard make and model.

Regards,


Simon f

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 1:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
device

Well, I did Google for this, and I hadn't come across anything that looked like 
what I want. I suppose there isn't a whole lot of demand for such a thing. I 
just like his keyboard, do not like dictation on android or editing on android 
on the touchscreen. So I thought I would see if perhaps I could use my keyboard 
there.
Mary


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> On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> I've not heard of Lightening to micro but I do know apple have a micro USB to 
> lightening adaptor.You I think want a female lightening to Micro USB or 
> Female Lightening to USB and then down to micro USB.
> 
> Waw, either way that wil be complicated.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 11:41 AM
> To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device
> 
> I have a very nice keyboard with the cable that has a lightning connector on 
> it. I have used it to type notes on my iPad mini. I'm wondering if anybody 
> has ever heard of a device sort of an adapter, that you could use to convert 
> the lightning plug to a micro USB plug for use on other devices which take 
> micro USB input. I am thinking specifically of android devices, such as the 
> Nexus line. Any thoughts?
> Mary
> 
> 
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Re: el capitan performance

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You say you've not seen another setup like your's, part of your setup might be 
contributing.  Are you at liberty in any way to tell us what specifically that 
setup is?  If not, I completely understand.
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  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:51 PM
  Subject: RE: el capitan performance


  Yeah I’ts an odd ball 

   

  I”ve not seen it on other machines, but I haven’t seen another setup like 
mine.

   

  I’m going to up date to 10.11.4 later today and see what happens.

   

   

   

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  Subject: Re: el capitan performance

   

  I'm using 10.11.4 as of now, however that being said, I did have Bootcamp 
installed on 10.11.3, and I never saw the behavior you're describing.

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From: Simon Fogarty 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 5:37 PM

Subject: el capitan performance

 

Hi List,

 

Ok, so I’ve just in the past week reinstalled ElCapitan from scratch as it 
was origionally an update from Yosemite.

 

I was finding things like vo M would bring up the menus but I couldn’t use 
down / up arrows to scrole up or down the menus.

But could use VO up / down to get to what I needed.

 

 

I’m also finding and this could just be a new feature of ElCap 

That I’m having to unlock everything in system preferences when I go to 
make simple changes such as 

I’m running bootcamp also due to needing windows for work and I have to 
unlock startup drive when changing to bootcamp from OSX 

 

Not overly worried about this but the bnot being able to scrole down menus 
is becoming a pain in the backside.

 

So I reinstalled from scratch including wiping my drive and the VO up / 
down issue was corrected, I then installed Bootcamp and dam it if the issue 
hasn’t come back.

 

Is anyone else finding this to be an issue for them at all?

 

This is 10.11.3 running on a mid / late 2013 11inch mac book air.

 

And as yet no I haven’t updated to 10.11.4 

And no I can’t drop bootcamp without having to then buy a windows computer 
which I don’t want.

 

Thanks for any info 

 

Cheers,

 

 

Simon f

 

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Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device

[Mary Otten]

 Hi Simon,
The keyboard is macally ikey ltII. 
I'm on it some months ago on Amazon. I don't remember what it cost. What I 
really like about it is the full complement of control command and option keys 
on both sides of thespace bar. Belkin makes one, but it does not have that full 
complement. And no, sadly, you cannot disconnect the cable from the keyboard.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> This keyboard sounds interesting, what is the model / brand?
> 
> Are you able to disconnect the cable?
> 
> I'm guessing not otherwise you wouldn't have had to ask the question.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 1:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
> device
> 
> No. This keyboard does not have Bluetooth. There've been so many issues with 
> Bluetooth and iOS that I decided to get this keyboard that has the lightning 
> connector. It is a great keyboard. It has a full set of vo keys on both sides 
> of the space bar and a great typing feel, but it is not Bluetooth.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This may sound like a weird question.  Maybe I'm not completely 
>> understanding, but if you're using what I think you are, could you not just 
>> bluetooth the thing to the Android device instead of connecting it via 
>> lightning/micro USB?  Sorry if I'm a little bit confused.
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>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
>> To: ; 
>> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 6:41 PM
>> Subject: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
>> device
>> 
>> 
>> I have a very nice keyboard with the cable that has a lightning connector on 
>> it. I have used it to type notes on my iPad mini. I'm wondering if anybody 
>> has ever heard of a device sort of an adapter, that you could use to convert 
>> the lightning plug to a micro USB plug for use on other devices which take 
>> micro USB input. I am thinking specifically of android devices, such as the 
>> Nexus line. Any thoughts?
>> Mary
>> 
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RE: Handwriting on an iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi David,

 This link and further investigation has put me on to  the Adonit Jot Script 2 
which is seemingly still rated as the number 1 stylus for the IOS iPad and 
iPhone

Problem is it's three times the price of the Jot Pro.

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On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 11:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone

The following link is for a stylus which my partner says is the best stylus 
available for the iDevice.

https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/adonit-jot-pro-stylus-with-dampening-tip-gun-metal-grey-adonit/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=product_listing_ads&gclid=CjwKEAjw8bO3BRDp0bP_vL-7_lASJACL_d6w1YBNjCAlovjOzTWHKzV9q_kDHvkBdlth0YSfuDhrgRoCwRfw_wcB

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> On 20 Mar 2016, at 10:26, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Word seemed to be doing ok when I tried handwriting in it.
> 
> I'm goin g to try pages also, I just need something to take notes with during 
> meetings and my handwriting is faster than my typing.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 12:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
> 
> Notes Plus is an app which has handwriting recognition in it. The handwriting 
> recognition part is an in-app purchase above the $11 AUD price for the app. 
> However, the menus are the only part of the app which is accessible. For the 
> sighted, Notes Plus translates handwriting into computer text. It works well 
> for low vision people in school as well.
> 
> You cannot handwrite in any app we know of with VoiceOver running. The app, 7 
> Nots HD, Prem will allow VoiceOver to read what was written, but VO blocks 
> the ability to write in the app whilst VO is running.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 23:55, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I've been looking at a couple
>> Bamboo paper and MyScript note are a couple but yeah not overly friendly, 
>> why these apps can't be accessible I can't figure out.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
>> Chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 3:56 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>> 
>> I am never sure of anything. My understanding is that they are using a 
>> third-party handwriting recognition app. I will check with some sighted 
>> people. iOS now permits installation of third-party keyboards (a fact which 
>> locked me out from using the onscreen keyboard on my iPhone last year 
>> because many of them are completely inaccessible).
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 13:58, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you sure?
>>> 
>>> I have sighted associates that use handwriting on their iPads without 
>>> voiceover!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
>>> Chittenden
>>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 9:54 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>>> 
>>> Handwriting works only with VoiceOver. It is not a standard input method 
>>> for iOS.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 19 Mar 2016, at 02:36, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
 
 I found that with the stylus I had to press harder than I would if I was 
 writing with a pen. It wasn’t a natural thing. then again, writing using 
 your finger isn’t necessarily natural either. 
 
 As you note, David, the 6S and beyond have the pressure sensitive screen 
 for other uses and that really messed with using a stylus for handwriting. 
 I’ve never triggered 3D touch using my finger for handwriting but using 
 the stylus, I did so often. 
 
 Here’s a question. Does handwriting work without VO? I’d assume so and of 
 course would never use it that way. 
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:05 AM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> Increased pressure would not make a difference. The iDevice screen is 
> capacitive. The iPhone 6 S is pressure sensitive for different ways of 
> activating buttons in apps that support it.
> 
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> 
>> On 19 Mar 2016, at

Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Mary, has it got a numeric keypad?
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From: "Mary Otten" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
device



Hi Simon,
The keyboard is macally ikey ltII.
I'm on it some months ago on Amazon. I don't remember what it cost. What I 
really like about it is the full complement of control command and option 
keys on both sides of thespace bar. Belkin makes one, but it does not have 
that full complement. And no, sadly, you cannot disconnect the cable from 
the keyboard.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Mary,

This keyboard sounds interesting, what is the model / brand?

Are you able to disconnect the cable?

I'm guessing not otherwise you wouldn't have had to ask the question.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten

Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 1:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro 
USB device


No. This keyboard does not have Bluetooth. There've been so many issues 
with Bluetooth and iOS that I decided to get this keyboard that has the 
lightning connector. It is a great keyboard. It has a full set of vo keys 
on both sides of the space bar and a great typing feel, but it is not 
Bluetooth.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


This may sound like a weird question.  Maybe I'm not completely 
understanding, but if you're using what I think you are, could you not 
just bluetooth the thing to the Android device instead of connecting it 
via lightning/micro USB?  Sorry if I'm a little bit confused.

---
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- Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
To: ; 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 6:41 PM
Subject: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
device



I have a very nice keyboard with the cable that has a lightning connector 
on it. I have used it to type notes on my iPad mini. I'm wondering if 
anybody has ever heard of a device sort of an adapter, that you could use 
to convert the lightning plug to a micro USB plug for use on other 
devices which take micro USB input. I am thinking specifically of android 
devices, such as the Nexus line. Any thoughts?

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Opinion: Will limited device & app support lead 3D Touch to wither and die?

[Mary Otten]

No, I don't have the URL. I got this from tnewsify.
Mary


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> On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary,
>  
> Would you happen to have the direct URL to the 9 to 5 mac blog?  I'd really 
> like to subscribe to it.
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> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:45 PM
> Subject: Opinion: Will limited device & app support lead 3D Touch to wither 
> and die?
> 
> In light of the recent discussion about the new iPhone and 3-D touch, I post 
> the following.
> Mary
> Opinion: Will limited device & app support lead 3D Touch to wither and die?
> 9to5Mac  /  Ben Lovejoy
> 
> 
> When Apple launched the iPhone 6s/Plus, 3D Touch was one of the headline 
> features. Apple devoted a full four-minute video to showing what it does and 
> how it works. Even today, visit the Apple website and click on the iPhone 6s, 
> and it’s the first thing you see. Apple’s summary of the phone is ‘3D Touch, 
> 12MP photos, 4K video.’
> 
> The first tab at the top of the screen is 3D Touch. The first video linked is 
> the one for 3D Touch. Scroll down the page for the detail of the phone, and 
> 3D Touch – ‘the next generation of multi-touch’ – is again the first feature 
> to be shown. Clearly Apple thinks it’s a big deal.
> 
> And yet, the company just this week unveiled not just one but two new iOS 
> devices, neither of which offers the feature. This is perhaps understandable 
> in the case of the iPhone SE – Apple needed some tech distinctions between 
> its flagship phone and its new budget model. But it’s an odd omission from a 
> brand new iPad …
> 
> 
> I’ve heard two theories about why Apple hasn’t rolled out 3D Touch more 
> widely. The first is that yield rates have been poor. That would limit the 
> volumes in which the system can be produced, and make it an expensive feature 
> to add. If that is indeed the case, it adds a second reason for Apple to 
> withhold it from its cheapest ever iPhone.
> 
> The second is that there are significant challenges involved in scaling-up 3D 
> Touch to larger screens, and that this is the reason we haven’t yet seen it 
> on an iPad.
> 
> While both suggestions are unconfirmed, I think they are likely true – 
> because otherwise, Apple’s behavior doesn’t make sense. There’s no other 
> reason I can see to hold back from the latest iPad a feature the company 
> champions so strongly.
> 
> But even if it’s manufacturing challenges holding back the wider rollout, it 
> still effectively places the feature on hold for a large chunk of iOS users.
> 
> 
> 
> Nor is hardware support the only issue. While we have seen an increasing 
> number of apps adding support for 3D Touch, it has still been adopted by only 
> a minority of them. I haven’t seen any hard numbers, but if you follow the 
> ‘View 3D Touch apps in the App Store‘ link on Apple’s website, it shows only 
> 56.
> 
> Clearly there are many more than that, but a random sampling of the 
> third-party apps on the first two screens on my iPhone shows that just 9 out 
> of 37 of them support 3D Touch. Whatever the overall percentage, it’s low.
> 
> If adding 3D Touch support to an app was a complex task, you could understand 
> developers deciding not to bother until Apple makes it available on more 
> devices. But it’s not: adding Home screen actions is extremely easy. For 
> whatever reason, developers don’t appear to share Apple’s view of the 
> importance of the feature.
> 
> And it’s not just third-party developers who haven’t fully embraced the 
> feature: there are still native Apple apps that don’t. The Activity app, for 
> one. That’s a pretty crazy state of affairs.
> 
> 
> 
> My sampling of my own apps brings up another big problem with 3D Touch. The 
> only way I could tell which ones support it was to force-touch each one in 
> turn. Trial-and-error. There’s no other way to tell.
> 
> As Forbes contributor Gordon Kelly put it in a Facebook discussion we were 
> having yesterday: “For the record, I like 3D Touch, but it needs to be 
> implemented in a way that removes the guesswork of what is and isn’t 3D Touch 
> enabled.”
> 
> I’m going to be a little less polite than him. Just think about that from a 
> UI perspective: an app may or may not support a headline feature of the 
> phone, and the only way I can tell is by randomly stabbing at apps with my 
> finger like a deranged monkey. That is utterly appalling UI design, and 
> there’s no excuse for it from anyone – far less from Apple, which prides 
> itself on usability above all else.
> 
> I would argue it’s also poor UI to have an operating system feature that may 
> or may not be available depending on the device you’re using at the time. 
> Sure, I understand that older devices m

Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device

[Mary Otten]

No, there is no separate keypad. I don't believe I have seen a keyboard with a 
separate keypad in a long time, except of course the ones that are made for 
desktop machines that you have to buy aftermarket. DAS keyboard comes to mind. 
But I don't think they make a portable keyboard.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary, has it got a numeric keypad?
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> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
> device
> 
> 
> Hi Simon,
> The keyboard is macally ikey ltII.
> I'm on it some months ago on Amazon. I don't remember what it cost. What I 
> really like about it is the full complement of control command and option 
> keys on both sides of thespace bar. Belkin makes one, but it does not have 
> that full complement. And no, sadly, you cannot disconnect the cable from the 
> keyboard.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> This keyboard sounds interesting, what is the model / brand?
>> 
>> Are you able to disconnect the cable?
>> 
>> I'm guessing not otherwise you wouldn't have had to ask the question.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 1:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
>> device
>> 
>> No. This keyboard does not have Bluetooth. There've been so many issues with 
>> Bluetooth and iOS that I decided to get this keyboard that has the lightning 
>> connector. It is a great keyboard. It has a full set of vo keys on both 
>> sides of the space bar and a great typing feel, but it is not Bluetooth.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This may sound like a weird question.  Maybe I'm not completely 
>>> understanding, but if you're using what I think you are, could you not just 
>>> bluetooth the thing to the Android device instead of connecting it via 
>>> lightning/micro USB?  Sorry if I'm a little bit confused.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
>>> To: ; 
>>> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 6:41 PM
>>> Subject: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
>>> device
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have a very nice keyboard with the cable that has a lightning connector 
>>> on it. I have used it to type notes on my iPad mini. I'm wondering if 
>>> anybody has ever heard of a device sort of an adapter, that you could use 
>>> to convert the lightning plug to a micro USB plug for use on other devices 
>>> which take micro USB input. I am thinking specifically of android devices, 
>>> such as the Nexus line. Any thoughts?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Opinion: Will limited device & app support lead 3D Touch to wither and die?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, no problem.  Thank you anyway.  I probably can find it through Google.  Not 
to worry.
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 9:01 PM
  Subject: Re: Opinion: Will limited device & app support lead 3D Touch to 
wither and die?


  No, I don't have the URL. I got this from tnewsify.
  Mary



  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Mary,

Would you happen to have the direct URL to the 9 to 5 mac blog?  I'd really 
like to subscribe to it.
---
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Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten 
  To: viph...@googlegroups.com ; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:45 PM
  Subject: Opinion: Will limited device & app support lead 3D Touch to 
wither and die?


  In light of the recent discussion about the new iPhone and 3-D touch, I 
post the following.
  Mary
  Opinion: Will limited device & app support lead 3D Touch to wither and 
die?
  9to5Mac  /  Ben Lovejoy



  When Apple launched the iPhone 6s/Plus, 3D Touch was one of the headline 
features. Apple devoted a full four-minute video to showing what it does and 
how it works. Even today, visit the Apple website and click on the iPhone 6s, 
and it’s the first thing you see. Apple’s summary of the phone is ‘3D Touch, 
12MP photos, 4K video.’

  The first tab at the top of the screen is 3D Touch. The first video 
linked is the one for 3D Touch. Scroll down the page for the detail of the 
phone, and 3D Touch – ‘the next generation of multi-touch’ – is again the first 
feature to be shown. Clearly Apple thinks it’s a big deal.

  And yet, the company just this week unveiled not just one but two new iOS 
devices, neither of which offers the feature. This is perhaps understandable in 
the case of the iPhone SE – Apple needed some tech distinctions between its 
flagship phone and its new budget model. But it’s an odd omission from a brand 
new iPad …


  I’ve heard two theories about why Apple hasn’t rolled out 3D Touch more 
widely. The first is that yield rates have been poor. That would limit the 
volumes in which the system can be produced, and make it an expensive feature 
to add. If that is indeed the case, it adds a second reason for Apple to 
withhold it from its cheapest ever iPhone.

  The second is that there are significant challenges involved in 
scaling-up 3D Touch to larger screens, and that this is the reason we haven’t 
yet seen it on an iPad.

  While both suggestions are unconfirmed, I think they are likely true – 
because otherwise, Apple’s behavior doesn’t make sense. There’s no other reason 
I can see to hold back from the latest iPad a feature the company champions so 
strongly.

  But even if it’s manufacturing challenges holding back the wider rollout, 
it still effectively places the feature on hold for a large chunk of iOS users.



  Nor is hardware support the only issue. While we have seen an increasing 
number of apps adding support for 3D Touch, it has still been adopted by only a 
minority of them. I haven’t seen any hard numbers, but if you follow the ‘View 
3D Touch apps in the App Store‘ link on Apple’s website, it shows only 56.

  Clearly there are many more than that, but a random sampling of the 
third-party apps on the first two screens on my iPhone shows that just 9 out of 
37 of them support 3D Touch. Whatever the overall percentage, it’s low.

  If adding 3D Touch support to an app was a complex task, you could 
understand developers deciding not to bother until Apple makes it available on 
more devices. But it’s not: adding Home screen actions is extremely easy. For 
whatever reason, developers don’t appear to share Apple’s view of the 
importance of the feature.

  And it’s not just third-party developers who haven’t fully embraced the 
feature: there are still native Apple apps that don’t. The Activity app, for 
one. That’s a pretty crazy state of affairs.



  My sampling of my own apps brings up another big problem with 3D Touch. 
The only way I could tell which ones support it was to force-touch each one in 
turn. Trial-and-error. There’s no other way to tell.

  As Forbes contributor Gordon Kelly put it in a Facebook discussion we 
were having yesterday: “For the record, I like 3D Touch, but it needs to be 
implemented in a way that removes the guesswork of what is and isn’t 3D Touch 
enabled.”

  I’m going to be a little less polite than him. Just think about that from 
a UI perspective: an app may or may not support a headline feature of the 
phone, and the only way I can tell is by 

RE: el capitan performance

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Christopher,

Yeah not an issue with setup.

The machine is a later 2013 mac book air,
Purchased late july that year,
Custom build
I7 processor,
8Gig ram and 512 GB ssd drive
11 inch,

Installed now OSX 10.11.3,
Drive divided into half for host OS and bootcamp.

1 user on mac side,
Office 2011 and 2016 both installed,

Other than that, nothing out of ordinary,

Boot camp is running windows 10 64 bit enterprise version
Again nothing out of ordinary
Although I have active directory admin tools installed on windows side,

Everything worked fine under Yosemite

Odd very odd.
Any thoughts appreciated.

Simon  f


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 1:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: el capitan performance

You say you've not seen another setup like your's, part of your setup might be 
contributing.  Are you at liberty in any way to tell us what specifically that 
setup is?  If not, I completely understand.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
- Original Message -
From: Simon Fogarty
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:51 PM
Subject: RE: el capitan performance

Yeah I’ts an odd ball

I”ve not seen it on other machines, but I haven’t seen another setup like mine.

I’m going to up date to 10.11.4 later today and see what happens.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 1:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: el capitan performance

I'm using 10.11.4 as of now, however that being said, I did have Bootcamp 
installed on 10.11.3, and I never saw the behavior you're describing.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
- Original Message -
From: Simon Fogarty
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 5:37 PM
Subject: el capitan performance

Hi List,

Ok, so I’ve just in the past week reinstalled ElCapitan from scratch as it was 
origionally an update from Yosemite.

I was finding things like vo M would bring up the menus but I couldn’t use down 
/ up arrows to scrole up or down the menus.
But could use VO up / down to get to what I needed.


I’m also finding and this could just be a new feature of ElCap
That I’m having to unlock everything in system preferences when I go to make 
simple changes such as
I’m running bootcamp also due to needing windows for work and I have to unlock 
startup drive when changing to bootcamp from OSX

Not overly worried about this but the bnot being able to scrole down menus is 
becoming a pain in the backside.

So I reinstalled from scratch including wiping my drive and the VO up / down 
issue was corrected, I then installed Bootcamp and dam it if the issue hasn’t 
come back.

Is anyone else finding this to be an issue for them at all?

This is 10.11.3 running on a mid / late 2013 11inch mac book air.

And as yet no I haven’t updated to 10.11.4
And no I can’t drop bootcamp without having to then buy a windows computer 
which I don’t want.

Thanks for any info

Cheers,


Simon f

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RE: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

 Thanks for that, I'll have to look it up.

 Could the manufacturer produce a lightening adaptor to other connecter type?


Cheers,


Simon f


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 2:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
device

 Hi Simon,
The keyboard is macally ikey ltII. 
I'm on it some months ago on Amazon. I don't remember what it cost. What I 
really like about it is the full complement of control command and option keys 
on both sides of thespace bar. Belkin makes one, but it does not have that full 
complement. And no, sadly, you cannot disconnect the cable from the keyboard.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> This keyboard sounds interesting, what is the model / brand?
> 
> Are you able to disconnect the cable?
> 
> I'm guessing not otherwise you wouldn't have had to ask the question.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 1:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
> device
> 
> No. This keyboard does not have Bluetooth. There've been so many issues with 
> Bluetooth and iOS that I decided to get this keyboard that has the lightning 
> connector. It is a great keyboard. It has a full set of vo keys on both sides 
> of the space bar and a great typing feel, but it is not Bluetooth.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This may sound like a weird question.  Maybe I'm not completely 
>> understanding, but if you're using what I think you are, could you not just 
>> bluetooth the thing to the Android device instead of connecting it via 
>> lightning/micro USB?  Sorry if I'm a little bit confused.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
>> To: ; 
>> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 6:41 PM
>> Subject: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
>> device
>> 
>> 
>> I have a very nice keyboard with the cable that has a lightning connector on 
>> it. I have used it to type notes on my iPad mini. I'm wondering if anybody 
>> has ever heard of a device sort of an adapter, that you could use to convert 
>> the lightning plug to a micro USB plug for use on other devices which take 
>> micro USB input. I am thinking specifically of android devices, such as the 
>> Nexus line. Any thoughts?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB device

[Mary Otten]

I admit I have not checked their website, but I really doubt it. These people 
are makers of Mac accessories.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> Thanks for that, I'll have to look it up.
> 
> Could the manufacturer produce a lightening adaptor to other connecter type?
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon f
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 2:00 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
> device
> 
> Hi Simon,
> The keyboard is macally ikey ltII. 
> I'm on it some months ago on Amazon. I don't remember what it cost. What I 
> really like about it is the full complement of control command and option 
> keys on both sides of thespace bar. Belkin makes one, but it does not have 
> that full complement. And no, sadly, you cannot disconnect the cable from the 
> keyboard.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> This keyboard sounds interesting, what is the model / brand?
>> 
>> Are you able to disconnect the cable?
>> 
>> I'm guessing not otherwise you wouldn't have had to ask the question.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 1:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
>> device
>> 
>> No. This keyboard does not have Bluetooth. There've been so many issues with 
>> Bluetooth and iOS that I decided to get this keyboard that has the lightning 
>> connector. It is a great keyboard. It has a full set of vo keys on both 
>> sides of the space bar and a great typing feel, but it is not Bluetooth.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This may sound like a weird question.  Maybe I'm not completely 
>>> understanding, but if you're using what I think you are, could you not just 
>>> bluetooth the thing to the Android device instead of connecting it via 
>>> lightning/micro USB?  Sorry if I'm a little bit confused.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
>>> To: ; 
>>> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 6:41 PM
>>> Subject: Using a keyboard with lightning connector cable on a micro USB 
>>> device
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have a very nice keyboard with the cable that has a lightning connector 
>>> on it. I have used it to type notes on my iPad mini. I'm wondering if 
>>> anybody has ever heard of a device sort of an adapter, that you could use 
>>> to convert the lightning plug to a micro USB plug for use on other devices 
>>> which take micro USB input. I am thinking specifically of android devices, 
>>> such as the Nexus line. Any thoughts?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: Getting contacts from iPod touch to iphone 5s

[Stacey Robinson]

Yes, I’ve done that.
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:29 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Have you actually selected what services you  want activated  on each 
> device? iCloud will only sync the data you choose on every device in the same 
> iCloud account.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 3/25/2016 3:11 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> I’ve turned both on but the contacts haven’t moved from one to the other.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you just tick the contacts box in iCloud on your iPod  and make
>>> sure the contacts is ticked on your phone you wont have to do
>>> anything  it’s all magical and done for you.
>>> Little cloud people push things out to your devices from the iCloud world.
>>> *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]*On
>>> Behalf Of*Stacey Robinson
>>> *Sent:*Saturday, 26 March 2016 4:17 AM
>>> *To:*Macvisionaries >> >
>>> *Subject:*Re: Getting contacts from iPod touch to iphone 5s
>>> How do I do this syncing process.
>>> I’ve not used icloud much.
>>> Blessings,
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
>>>On Mar 25, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Scott Granados >>> wrote:
>>>Just sync them both to iCloud and they should be available on both
>>>devices.  If you have them in different groups you may have to
>>>combine them with a cut and paste move but in general, if you’re
>>>syncing devices to iCloud you should be able to see the same
>>>contacts on one as the other and when you add a contact to one
>>>device it populates your others.
>>>Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>>On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:27 AM, Stacey Robinson
>>>mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>>>Hello,
>>>How do I get contacts to transfer from my iPod fourth gen to
>>>my iPhone 5S?
>>>Icloud is on and contacts is on on both devices.
>>>Blessings,
>>>Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>>mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Re: el capitan performance

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I agree that is quite odd.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 9:06 PM
  Subject: RE: el capitan performance


  Hi Christopher,

   

  Yeah not an issue with setup.

   

  The machine is a later 2013 mac book air,

  Purchased late july that year, 

  Custom build 

  I7 processor,

  8Gig ram and 512 GB ssd drive 

  11 inch,

   

  Installed now OSX 10.11.3,

  Drive divided into half for host OS and bootcamp.

   

  1 user on mac side,

  Office 2011 and 2016 both installed,

   

  Other than that, nothing out of ordinary,

   

  Boot camp is running windows 10 64 bit enterprise version

  Again nothing out of ordinary 

  Although I have active directory admin tools installed on windows side,  

   

  Everything worked fine under Yosemite 

   

  Odd very odd.

  Any thoughts appreciated.

   

  Simon  f

   

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
  Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 1:55 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: el capitan performance

   

  You say you've not seen another setup like your's, part of your setup might 
be contributing.  Are you at liberty in any way to tell us what specifically 
that setup is?  If not, I completely understand.

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- Original Message - 

From: Simon Fogarty 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:51 PM

Subject: RE: el capitan performance

 

Yeah I’ts an odd ball 

 

I”ve not seen it on other machines, but I haven’t seen another setup like 
mine.

 

I’m going to up date to 10.11.4 later today and see what happens.

 

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Saturday, 26 March 2016 1:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: el capitan performance

 

I'm using 10.11.4 as of now, however that being said, I did have Bootcamp 
installed on 10.11.3, and I never saw the behavior you're describing.

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  - Original Message - 

  From: Simon Fogarty 

  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 5:37 PM

  Subject: el capitan performance

   

  Hi List,

   

  Ok, so I’ve just in the past week reinstalled ElCapitan from scratch as 
it was origionally an update from Yosemite.

   

  I was finding things like vo M would bring up the menus but I couldn’t 
use down / up arrows to scrole up or down the menus.

  But could use VO up / down to get to what I needed.

   

   

  I’m also finding and this could just be a new feature of ElCap 

  That I’m having to unlock everything in system preferences when I go to 
make simple changes such as 

  I’m running bootcamp also due to needing windows for work and I have to 
unlock startup drive when changing to bootcamp from OSX 

   

  Not overly worried about this but the bnot being able to scrole down 
menus is becoming a pain in the backside.

   

  So I reinstalled from scratch including wiping my drive and the VO up / 
down issue was corrected, I then installed Bootcamp and dam it if the issue 
hasn’t come back.

   

  Is anyone else finding this to be an issue for them at all?

   

  This is 10.11.3 running on a mid / late 2013 11inch mac book air.

   

  And as yet no I haven’t updated to 10.11.4 

  And no I can’t drop bootcamp without having to then buy a windows 
computer which I don’t want.

   

  Thanks for any info 

   

  Cheers,

   

   

  Simon f

   

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Re: Getting contacts from iPod touch to iphone 5s

[E.T.]

   Perhaps check in two locations on both Mac and iDevices. Mac System 
prefs, iCloud and also Internet.


   On iDevices, iCloud as well as Mail Contacts and  Calendars.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 3/25/2016 6:23 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Yes, I’ve done that.
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:29 PM, E.T.  wrote:

   Have you actually selected what services you  want activated  on each 
device? iCloud will only sync the data you choose on every device in the same 
iCloud account.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 3/25/2016 3:11 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

I’ve turned both on but the contacts haven’t moved from one to the other.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Mar 25, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

If you just tick the contacts box in iCloud on your iPod  and make
sure the contacts is ticked on your phone you wont have to do
anything  it’s all magical and done for you.
Little cloud people push things out to your devices from the iCloud world.
*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]*On
Behalf Of*Stacey Robinson
*Sent:*Saturday, 26 March 2016 4:17 AM
*To:*Macvisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
*Subject:*Re: Getting contacts from iPod touch to iphone 5s
How do I do this syncing process.
I’ve not used icloud much.
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

On Mar 25, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
Just sync them both to iCloud and they should be available on both
devices.  If you have them in different groups you may have to
combine them with a cut and paste move but in general, if you’re
syncing devices to iCloud you should be able to see the same
contacts on one as the other and when you add a contact to one
device it populates your others.
Hope that helps.

On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:27 AM, Stacey Robinson
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
Hello,
How do I get contacts to transfer from my iPod fourth gen to
my iPhone 5S?
Icloud is on and contacts is on on both devices.
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Re: pdf documents

[John Weir]

There is a program called Stuffit that will compress your files before 
sending.  and decompress them on receipt.   and apples automatically 
unzip files on receipt.   John


On 3/25/16 5:14 PM, Jean wrote:

Thank you for the explanation. How does one make a pdf ua? I don’t see any 
option for this when I try to export a document. Also, if a pdf is 
automatically zipped is it still universal? In other words, what is the best 
way to create a pdf document which is both universally readable and small 
enough to email if it is large?
Many thanks in advance,
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