Re: deleting old time machine disks

[Ray Foret Jr]

One small point comes to mind.  You might need to use your Mac password to 
unlock the deeper administrative levels of your account to get at this aspect 
of things.

!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Nov 10, 2015, at 11:56 PM, Jean  wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
> I have two old time machine destinations on my mac that I am not using 
> anymore. The problem is the computer thinks they are still current and so I 
> get error messages every time it tries to access those destinations. 
> Therefore, I would like to remove them.
> 
> When I go into time machine system preferences, I find a table that shows all 
> of the time machine destinations that were ever used on this computer. There 
> is also a button for deleting time machine destinations but it is dimmed. How 
> can I get this to work?
> 
> Many thanks for any suggestions,
> Jean
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Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

[Sadam Ahmed]

Exactly. 

When did this happen? 

And how accessible is it? 

Yours truly, 

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> On 11 Nov 2015, at 1:14 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
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> Wait! Thunderbird works on OS x? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 10, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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>> Me neither.  It seems to start out fine, then gradually get slower and 
>> slower.  Perhaps it is the size of folders?  But it seems especially bad in 
>> the classic view, forcing me into the modern layout which I really dislike.  
>> Perhaps it’s time for a cleanup.  Or perhaps I just use Thunderbird which 
>> works.
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Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Thunderbird in Windows. On OS X, like Firefox, it seems to be in a sufficiently 
broken state as to be unusable.

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Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

And, as a followup: I tried MailMate, but owing to the silly authenticate plain 
bug in iCloud, I can’t use it on my list account.  I will send a note to 
MailMate’s author, asking him for a workaround.  But if you wanted an 
alternative mail client on OS X, you could give that one a try.

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Re: deleting old time machine disks

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Yes, this is a bit fiddly.  You’ll have to employ the VO mouse commands to 
route to the label that says “Add or remove” with VO-Command-F5 and then click 
with VO-Shift-Space.  Now you’re in a table listing current and available 
disks; choose the one you want to drop and press Remove.  Repeat until done.  
The backup disks are listed under “Backup disks”.  Use Disk Utility to erase 
any backup disk you no longer use, if you haven’t already, since those will 
have sensitive data on them.

Good luck.

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Re: VMWare Fusion

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

I recommend Pro because it does give you more control and more OS choices.  
There again, if all you want is to get a Windows VM up, it hardly matters which 
edition you choose.  The completist in me is always happy for the extra 
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Re: VMWare Fusion

[E.T.]

   I opted for the non Pro version. Looking at the choices, I see one 
for migrating from Bootcamp. My fingers are crossed. Will do some prep 
work before I attempt that.


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On 11/11/2015 4:40 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

I recommend Pro because it does give you more control and more OS choices.  
There again, if all you want is to get a Windows VM up, it hardly matters which 
edition you choose.  The completist in me is always happy for the extra 
flexibility though—things like whether the network adaptor can be promiscuous 
or not, or whether the virtualised CPU will have Intel VTX in the guest.  It’s 
all good.



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Re: VMWare Fusion

[gs]

I cannot remember if this is or is not the case as it has been a while. 
However, I think I recall that you must keep the Bootcamp partition when you 
use that option. As I say, I cannot remember if that was truly the case or 
whether I just elected to keep it but check it out just in case you either 
don't have the space or don't want to have to do that and it is an issue.

I also remember having some trouble with this kind of installation with regard 
to updating OS X since it relied on Bootcamp and there was a driver issue or 
something. It was all during my early days of Mac use so I was struggling to 
get a handle on things so I'm not as clear on it as I should be.


On Nov 11, 2015, at 11:01 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  I opted for the non Pro version. Looking at the choices, I see one for 
migrating from Bootcamp. My fingers are crossed. Will do some prep work before 
I attempt that.

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On 11/11/2015 4:40 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> I recommend Pro because it does give you more control and more OS choices.  
> There again, if all you want is to get a Windows VM up, it hardly matters 
> which edition you choose.  The completist in me is always happy for the extra 
> flexibility though—things like whether the network adaptor can be promiscuous 
> or not, or whether the virtualised CPU will have Intel VTX in the guest.  
> It’s all good.
> 

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Re: VMWare Fusion

[E.T.]

   Thanks for this. I looked at the documentation and it looks like I 
will need to do a new install of Windows. From what I read, VMware will 
simply give you two ways to boot Windows. And since I cannot boot into 
Bootcamp anyway, this will not work.


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On 11/11/2015 8:28 AM, gs wrote:

I cannot remember if this is or is not the case as it has been a while. 
However, I think I recall that you must keep the Bootcamp partition when you 
use that option. As I say, I cannot remember if that was truly the case or 
whether I just elected to keep it but check it out just in case you either 
don't have the space or don't want to have to do that and it is an issue.

I also remember having some trouble with this kind of installation with regard 
to updating OS X since it relied on Bootcamp and there was a driver issue or 
something. It was all during my early days of Mac use so I was struggling to 
get a handle on things so I'm not as clear on it as I should be.


On Nov 11, 2015, at 11:01 AM, E.T.  wrote:

   I opted for the non Pro version. Looking at the choices, I see one for 
migrating from Bootcamp. My fingers are crossed. Will do some prep work before 
I attempt that.

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On 11/11/2015 4:40 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

I recommend Pro because it does give you more control and more OS choices.  
There again, if all you want is to get a Windows VM up, it hardly matters which 
edition you choose.  The completist in me is always happy for the extra 
flexibility though—things like whether the network adaptor can be promiscuous 
or not, or whether the virtualised CPU will have Intel VTX in the guest.  It’s 
all good.





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Re: VMWare Fusion

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi,

I use vm 8 with no problems here.  HTH.

Matthew



On 11/10/2015 6:41 PM, E.T. wrote:
   I may go with this instead of Bootcamp. What is the advantage of 
the Pro version? How stable is version 8? Thanks.


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How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Just wondering how to do this?  double tap and hold now opens the app, so what 
do you do to delete an app?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Weird.  Double tapping and hold doesn't do that for me.  Could it be when 
you hold, you're pushing on the screen a little bit too hard?


Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:06 PM
Subject: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?



Hi all,

Just wondering how to do this?  double tap and hold now opens the app, so 
what do you do to delete an app?

TIA,
Donna

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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Les Kriegler]

Donna, I am having exactly the same problem you are. And it doesn't make any 
difference if I push hard or hardly push it all. Double tap and hold there's no 
longer allow for deleting apps for me either.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering how to do this?  double tap and hold now opens the app, so 
> what do you do to delete an app?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Mary Otten]

Maybe I am just lucky, in that perhaps the apps I have deleted don't have 3D 
Touch. But I have definitely deleted apps recently on my iPhone, which is 
running the latest version of iOS 9. And deleting apps was no problem.
Mary


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> On Nov 11, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Donna, I am having exactly the same problem you are. And it doesn't make any 
> difference if I push hard or hardly push it all. Double tap and hold there's 
> no longer allow for deleting apps for me either.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just wondering how to do this?  double tap and hold now opens the app, so 
>> what do you do to delete an app?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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RE: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[george b]

While holding tap with another finger anywhere on the screen and you get the 
deleatd dialog window

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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 13:06
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Subject: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

Hi all,

Just wondering how to do this?  double tap and hold now opens the app, so what 
do you do to delete an app?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Donna Goodin]

You hit the nail on the head, Chris.  I didn't think I was pressing that hard, 
but when I deliberately tried a lighter touch, it worked just fine.  Les, you 
might give it a try.  thanks all for the responses.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Weird.  Double tapping and hold doesn't do that for me.  Could it be when you 
> hold, you're pushing on the screen a little bit too hard?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:06 PM
> Subject: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?
> 
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just wondering how to do this?  double tap and hold now opens the app, so 
>> what do you do to delete an app?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, how about this.

Could it be that you have the 3D touch sensitivity set too high?  I mean, 
it's unlikely? Yes?  I agree, but could it even remotely be possible?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Les Kriegler" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?


Donna, I am having exactly the same problem you are. And it doesn't make 
any difference if I push hard or hardly push it all. Double tap and hold 
there's no longer allow for deleting apps for me either.


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

Just wondering how to do this?  double tap and hold now opens the app, so 
what do you do to delete an app?

TIA,
Donna

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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Oh, like a split tap?  I'll have to try that.  Usually, for me, I've found 
it works without that need.  This definitely has got me a little bit 
perplexed.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "george b" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:46 PM
Subject: RE: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?


While holding tap with another finger anywhere on the screen and you get 
the deleatd dialog window


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 13:06
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Subject: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

Hi all,

Just wondering how to do this?  double tap and hold now opens the app, so 
what do you do to delete an app?

TIA,
Donna

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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Donna, if you would like, I can try to find out for you where this setting 
is, I think it's under settings, general, accessibility, but you can 
actually set 3D touch to not be quite so sensitive.  Would that be something 
you'd be interested in me teaching you how to do?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Donna Goodin" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?


You hit the nail on the head, Chris.  I didn't think I was pressing that 
hard, but when I deliberately tried a lighter touch, it worked just fine. 
Les, you might give it a try.  thanks all for the responses.

Cheers,
Donna
On Nov 11, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Weird.  Double tapping and hold doesn't do that for me.  Could it be when 
you hold, you're pushing on the screen a little bit too hard?


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:06 PM
Subject: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?



Hi all,

Just wondering how to do this?  double tap and hold now opens the app, 
so what do you do to delete an app?

TIA,
Donna

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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Les Kriegler]

Well, I have tried all of the suggestions, and nothing is working for me. I 
think I will contact Apple accessibility on this one.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> You hit the nail on the head, Chris.  I didn't think I was pressing that 
> hard, but when I deliberately tried a lighter touch, it worked just fine.  
> Les, you might give it a try.  thanks all for the responses.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Weird.  Double tapping and hold doesn't do that for me.  Could it be when 
>> you hold, you're pushing on the screen a little bit too hard?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:06 PM
>> Subject: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Just wondering how to do this?  double tap and hold now opens the app, so 
>>> what do you do to delete an app?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Ditto!  I have thus far resorted to using Settings to remove apps (General, 
Storage).  Clunky, but it works.

Since I don’t use 3D Touch at all, it’s also been very tempting for me to turn 
the feature off entirely.  And yes, I already have it set to maximum firmness; 
I still keep hitting the blasted thing.  But since I have this iPhone 6S, with 
its greater weight and thickness, it smaller battery, and also its better 
radios, I can’t bring myself to do it without trying at least to make better 
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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[gs]

Hmm. Isn't the default a medium firm press? I left it set to the default and 
feel that I must press pretty hard to get it to activate. I'm not trying to be 
critical but it might be good to start training not to press so hard. It's a 
waste of energy and might contribute to  unnecessary issues if one is already 
sensitive to something like carpal tunnel or whatever. Double tap and hold 
requires only that the finger remain on the screen with a very light touch. Now 
maybe there is a hardware issue that is contributing to the problem and I am 
not trying to insinuate that this is not the case.


On Nov 11, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

Ditto!  I have thus far resorted to using Settings to remove apps (General, 
Storage).  Clunky, but it works.

Since I don’t use 3D Touch at all, it’s also been very tempting for me to turn 
the feature off entirely.  And yes, I already have it set to maximum firmness; 
I still keep hitting the blasted thing.  But since I have this iPhone 6S, with 
its greater weight and thickness, it smaller battery, and also its better 
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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Les Kriegler]

OK, that's a great workaround for now. It's a Kawala find the app I want to 
delete, but I found it. Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Ditto!  I have thus far resorted to using Settings to remove apps (General, 
> Storage).  Clunky, but it works.
> 
> Since I don’t use 3D Touch at all, it’s also been very tempting for me to 
> turn the feature off entirely.  And yes, I already have it set to maximum 
> firmness; I still keep hitting the blasted thing.  But since I have this 
> iPhone 6S, with its greater weight and thickness, it smaller battery, and 
> also its better radios, I can’t bring myself to do it without trying at least 
> to make better use of the 3D Touch feature.
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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Chris,

I think I've seen the setting.  I'll play around with it, but I think that for 
now, I'll leave it as it is.  Thanks, though!
Donna
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Donna, if you would like, I can try to find out for you where this setting 
> is, I think it's under settings, general, accessibility, but you can actually 
> set 3D touch to not be quite so sensitive.  Would that be something you'd be 
> interested in me teaching you how to do?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?
> 
> 
>> You hit the nail on the head, Chris.  I didn't think I was pressing that 
>> hard, but when I deliberately tried a lighter touch, it worked just fine. 
>> Les, you might give it a try.  thanks all for the responses.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Weird.  Double tapping and hold doesn't do that for me.  Could it be when 
>>> you hold, you're pushing on the screen a little bit too hard?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:06 PM
>>> Subject: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 Just wondering how to do this?  double tap and hold now opens the app, so 
 what do you do to delete an app?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK.  Well, let me know if you need any heolp.  No worries.  It's all good.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Donna Goodin" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?


Hi Chris,

I think I've seen the setting.  I'll play around with it, but I think that 
for now, I'll leave it as it is.  Thanks, though!

Donna
On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Donna, if you would like, I can try to find out for you where this setting 
is, I think it's under settings, general, accessibility, but you can 
actually set 3D touch to not be quite so sensitive.  Would that be 
something you'd be interested in me teaching you how to do?


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?


You hit the nail on the head, Chris.  I didn't think I was pressing that 
hard, but when I deliberately tried a lighter touch, it worked just fine. 
Les, you might give it a try.  thanks all for the responses.

Cheers,
Donna
On Nov 11, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Weird.  Double tapping and hold doesn't do that for me.  Could it be 
when you hold, you're pushing on the screen a little bit too hard?


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:06 PM
Subject: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?



Hi all,

Just wondering how to do this?  double tap and hold now opens the app, 
so what do you do to delete an app?

TIA,
Donna

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Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

You know, I almost hesitate to post the following supposition for fear of
unleashing a firestorm of debate but after my recent experiences updating
several Macs from Yosemite to El Capitan, I am compelled to proceed.  

For the life of me, I cannot fathom why some who upgrade from Yosemite to El
Capitan do so with virtually no negative results while others, experience
countless and, according to them, almost catastrophic consequences, from an
accessibility perspective.

I have long suspected the following supposition but have recently begun to
test my hypothesis, said hypothesis being the following:

During the upgrade process, using VoiceOver too soon, can interrupt the
installation and that it is this interruption that leads to the increase in
the number of VoiceOver accessibility problems.

Scenario:
A totally blind person begins the upgrade process or even performs a fresh
install of El Capitan.  During this process, several screens are displayed
but near the very end of the process, VoiceOver can be used even though the
installation is not yet complete.  Visually, the screen may display
something like Completing Update.  This screen is not comfortably accessible
and, as a result, the totally blind person may not realize that there is
still a progress bar that has not yet reached 100%.  As a result of this
lack of knowledge, the user begins performing VoiceOver actions including
switching screen focus, etc.  When this happens, I believe that the
extremely final installation tasks are not properly completed.  

Whenever I install a copy of the OS, I am very careful to allow the
installation process to complete and, sometimes, that final screen can
remain on the display for what appears to be a remarkably long time,
relative to the entire installation process.  

During my testing, in each instance in which I did not wait for the screen
to disappear or I began using VoiceOver to interact with the OS before the
screen disappeared, I noticed a significant degradation in the performance
of VoiceOver.

Now again, let me emphasize that this is just a guess on my part and in no
way do I hold that it is a correct one.

Be that as it may, I suggest that this is something to consider when
updating your Mac.

Mark



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Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac

[Blee Blat]

I had no idea that had an impact. I'll try a reinstall here as I did activate 
voiceover during the installation and I do notice some weirdness here.  But 
that's an obscure bug that we should report if that is the case. They should 
find some other way to let you know the installation is done or still 
proceeding then if this is a problem.

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Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac

[Devin Prater]

If this is so, then how would we then know when the installation is 100% 
complete?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:00 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> You know, I almost hesitate to post the following supposition for fear of
> unleashing a firestorm of debate but after my recent experiences updating
> several Macs from Yosemite to El Capitan, I am compelled to proceed.  
> 
> For the life of me, I cannot fathom why some who upgrade from Yosemite to El
> Capitan do so with virtually no negative results while others, experience
> countless and, according to them, almost catastrophic consequences, from an
> accessibility perspective.
> 
> I have long suspected the following supposition but have recently begun to
> test my hypothesis, said hypothesis being the following:
> 
> During the upgrade process, using VoiceOver too soon, can interrupt the
> installation and that it is this interruption that leads to the increase in
> the number of VoiceOver accessibility problems.
> 
> Scenario:
> A totally blind person begins the upgrade process or even performs a fresh
> install of El Capitan.  During this process, several screens are displayed
> but near the very end of the process, VoiceOver can be used even though the
> installation is not yet complete.  Visually, the screen may display
> something like Completing Update.  This screen is not comfortably accessible
> and, as a result, the totally blind person may not realize that there is
> still a progress bar that has not yet reached 100%.  As a result of this
> lack of knowledge, the user begins performing VoiceOver actions including
> switching screen focus, etc.  When this happens, I believe that the
> extremely final installation tasks are not properly completed.  
> 
> Whenever I install a copy of the OS, I am very careful to allow the
> installation process to complete and, sometimes, that final screen can
> remain on the display for what appears to be a remarkably long time,
> relative to the entire installation process.  
> 
> During my testing, in each instance in which I did not wait for the screen
> to disappear or I began using VoiceOver to interact with the OS before the
> screen disappeared, I noticed a significant degradation in the performance
> of VoiceOver.
> 
> Now again, let me emphasize that this is just a guess on my part and in no
> way do I hold that it is a correct one.
> 
> Be that as it may, I suggest that this is something to consider when
> updating your Mac.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Easy. Your Mac will reboot once it's done installing.

Shawn
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> On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:52 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> If this is so, then how would we then know when the installation is 100% 
> complete?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:00 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> You know, I almost hesitate to post the following supposition for fear of
>> unleashing a firestorm of debate but after my recent experiences updating
>> several Macs from Yosemite to El Capitan, I am compelled to proceed.  
>> 
>> For the life of me, I cannot fathom why some who upgrade from Yosemite to El
>> Capitan do so with virtually no negative results while others, experience
>> countless and, according to them, almost catastrophic consequences, from an
>> accessibility perspective.
>> 
>> I have long suspected the following supposition but have recently begun to
>> test my hypothesis, said hypothesis being the following:
>> 
>> During the upgrade process, using VoiceOver too soon, can interrupt the
>> installation and that it is this interruption that leads to the increase in
>> the number of VoiceOver accessibility problems.
>> 
>> Scenario:
>> A totally blind person begins the upgrade process or even performs a fresh
>> install of El Capitan.  During this process, several screens are displayed
>> but near the very end of the process, VoiceOver can be used even though the
>> installation is not yet complete.  Visually, the screen may display
>> something like Completing Update.  This screen is not comfortably accessible
>> and, as a result, the totally blind person may not realize that there is
>> still a progress bar that has not yet reached 100%.  As a result of this
>> lack of knowledge, the user begins performing VoiceOver actions including
>> switching screen focus, etc.  When this happens, I believe that the
>> extremely final installation tasks are not properly completed.  
>> 
>> Whenever I install a copy of the OS, I am very careful to allow the
>> installation process to complete and, sometimes, that final screen can
>> remain on the display for what appears to be a remarkably long time,
>> relative to the entire installation process.  
>> 
>> During my testing, in each instance in which I did not wait for the screen
>> to disappear or I began using VoiceOver to interact with the OS before the
>> screen disappeared, I noticed a significant degradation in the performance
>> of VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Now again, let me emphasize that this is just a guess on my part and in no
>> way do I hold that it is a correct one.
>> 
>> Be that as it may, I suggest that this is something to consider when
>> updating your Mac.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
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Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac

[Blee Blat]

Except that it reboots part way through the install, if I recall it correctly 
then it does some progress bar thing which is inaccessible, which is what I 
think is being discussed here. So I don't recall it restarting after that 
completes.
 So the question seems valid still.  How to tell which stages of installation 
is it safe to use VoiceOver?

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Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac

[Shawn Krasniuk]

It's kinda odd that you would have to enable Voiceover yourself during the 
install. I don't know if I'm the lucky one here, but Voiceover automatically 
turns itself on during that process.

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> On Nov 11, 2015, at 11:22 PM, Blee Blat  wrote:
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> Except that it reboots part way through the install, if I recall it correctly 
> then it does some progress bar thing which is inaccessible, which is what I 
> think is being discussed here. So I don't recall it restarting after that 
> completes.
> So the question seems valid still.  How to tell which stages of installation 
> is it safe to use VoiceOver?
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how i publish a podcast threw yibsyn

[Michael Babcock]

A friend asked me to share with him how i publish a podcast threw yibsyn. I 
thought i would share this posting with you all as well. This is me doing it on 
OS X; and it’s about 33 minutes long. (normally it only takes me between 2-5 
minutes, however i did a lot of explanation throwout this video). Could you 
share your feedback either as comments on the video or on this list? Hope you 
enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgQYb9TIXn0
the podcast i published can be found here as well:
"Wistia Or Youtube – Your Own Pay Podcast”
http://yourownpay.com/wistia-or-youtube-your-own-pay-podcast/
and i’ll be recording a future video to explain the podcast art (likely 
tomorrow, thursday, or friday).

Michael Babcock
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http://yourownpay.com/ 



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