date:20120402

I suspect doing this in today's heightened awareness of consumer 
tracking and privacy, probing people's machines to discover if they were 
using voiceover would be full of legal landmines. Many do not want to 
self-identify as having a disability or have that info pried out of 
their system config and a company that did that secretly or otherwise 
would probably have a PR mess once it was found out.


CB

On 3/31/12 8:42 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:

this has just triggered an idea and if there's anyone on list working for 
apple, an apple developer or beta tester, here's the idea.

so that apple is more aware of who has purchased a mac, whenever you purchase a 
new mac, start up and register your mac, you should  be able to fill in a 
questionnaire stating it's use, etc and if so include the option for disabled 
users including blind users. this way, each purchased system, or operating 
system or application supplied by apple logs details of blind users, so it 
gives apple a greater area of support to push for changes in voiceover and app 
support.

just a thought on this.

lew

On 31 Mar 2012, at 10:53, Scott Howell wrote:


Ricardo,

True and we also must remember that Apple is not able to track each time a 
blind/visually impaired user purchases a Mac because they aren't ordering it 
from a company that sells products to that community. YOu are buying your Mac 
from the Apple store etc. So, although APple has a pretty good idea of the 
number of VoiceOver users, they probably do not know the exact to the last 
person number. So, Apple does listen even if you think at times they are not.

On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:


I really can't argue with that.  selecting text on the web is quite a chore on 
the Mac.  I think Safari, and lack of accessibility or efficiency of a office 
suite for power users of such applications is the Macs greatest weakness at 
this point in comparison to jaws with windows.  But progress is being made.  If 
anyone has used safari with tiger or leopard, and compared that to snow leopard 
or Lion, they would see what I mean. lol.  Or, even iWorks 2008 which was 
completely inaccessible, to iWorks 2009 which has some accessibility.  That's 
why I urge everyone to write Apple sharing some of your thoughts in regards to 
topics like this.  How else can we honestly expect Voiceover to improve without 
feedback.  It doesn't matter how small, or insignificant the idea or complaint 
might be.  Its been my experience that its the little things like adding a 
keystroke to check the time that really can enhance the user experience of a 
product.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Mar 30, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:


HI there,

I am going to create some controversy probably with my post.

I think the mac has some amazing features like being able to use the trackpad, 
having easy access to many different languages, using any mac you encounter on 
equal footing, having a  stable system, etc.

I will say that there are enough areas where I find windows (in my case with 
jaws) easier to use or more smooth, consistent to use

I have not used other browsers than safari and I find that when pages contain 
frames it is harder to find relevant information on a page, especially when you 
do not know the page yet. When you do, it gets faster. I also find selecting 
text on webpages much more intricate and less reliable
I do not need my computer for much other than browsing and emails and from time 
to time creating some more official letters so these differences do not affect 
me and I can fully enjoy the cool fun sides of the mac like the variety in 
voices. But I find sometimes I am more efficient on the  pc. It might be that I 
am still new to the mac (about 5 months) but I guess maybe this side of things 
is worth putting out for discussion.
But, after all, you can still install windows on your mac and get the best of 
both worlds. I do not have a pc and do not have a windows version to install on 
my mac so it was swim or sink with the mac for me. I think I have not drowned 
yet and am enjoying the swim despite  the hurdles.


Hope this helps a bit.

Ioana




Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.

On Mar 30, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Marc Rocheleau wrote:


Hello there,

It's funny you mention flash because one of my big questions is
browsing the web. I use sites like facebook, gmail, etc... on a
regular basis and was wondering how easy/difficult they are to use
with a Mac and VO -- I know facebook is a pain to navigate through
with jaws on my PC sometimes. What web browser do people mostly use,
safari? Also, I use twitter but have the qwitter client on my PC... is
there any program for the Mac that is similar?

I'd be very grateful for any info on these topics. Thanks in advance!

-Marc


On 3/29/12, Gigi  wrote:

Hi Mark
I would like to say that the two biggest p

Re: Questions about switching from PC to Mac

Just have to tackle each task one at a time and ask here if you can't 
find a tool or technique.


As far as networking goes, it's all TCP/IP on the internet so there 
really is no such thing as a 'mac' network or a 'windows' network. 
Granted Windows does some proprietary things for discovery but for 
anything internet related the protocols and such are all standardized. 
I'm not 100% clear on how your network is set up but if you are 
advertising a wifi network with some kind of WEP password your Mac 
should be able to join that just like anything else. If it's a wired 
network running DHCP you should be able to just plug in your Mac and go.


Just one hint for list help, best to address one thing at a time in 
emails, unless they are something with a short answer. That way people 
with expertise in some area can jump in easily. A long email asking for 
help on 22 things will get less responses than one or two email threads 
at a time talking about how to accomplish one or two specific tasks. One 
you have those one or two things worked out, start an email thread on 
the next thing.


CB

On 4/2/12 10:23 AM, Marc Rocheleau wrote:

I just wanted to thank all for the info they've given me so far, it's
much appreciated! I kind of disappeared, I know, due to a busy
weekend. I will be picking people's brains over the next little while
so please have patience with me too! Really appreciate the info about
fb, gmail and twitter btw. :)

I feel like I did before getting the iPhone, I was on the fence until
I finally took the plunge... then was petrified for the first few days
I was using it. After about a week or two though, I started learning
things and taught myself... now I can't imagine not having one. It
sounds like the same can be said regarding Macs?

My biggest erm... hang-ups I guess... are that I run a wifi network
from my current PC that my parents feed off of with a network cable
through a router. I am totally clueless as to whether or not a PC/Mac
network is possible and what it takes to do that, if so. I also have
my programs that I use with Windows... I'm set in my ways... with mp3
players, mp3 volume amplifiers (I hate using soundcheck for CD volume
normalization) sound editors to create ringtones, etc. I'm just very
fearful that there will be something I take for granted now that won't
be available after switching over and by then it'll be too late, you
know?

Thus the education... all answers so far have been quite helpful
though so keep 'em coming and thanks! :)

-Marc


On 4/1/12, Jennifer Perdue  wrote:

Hi I'm Jenny,

I found it hard to make the switch at first, but with the people on this
list and some patience I wouldn't go back to windows if you paid me.  My
husband has a PC and I use it begrudgingly if I have to since that's where
all our music is.  I don't yet have an external drive for my Mac and can't
afford one right now.

Please don't hesitate to ask questions of this list.  No question is stupid
or anything like that.  Again, Just be patient.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Mar 31, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Beefcakes wrote:


Hey welcome! Go for the Mac! You'll never regret it. Johnny

Cakes

On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Marc Rocheleau
wrote:


Hey all,

I'm a transplant from the viphone list here and this is my first post
to MacVisionaries... be gentle.

In the same way I used that list to educate myself before purchasing
an iPhone, I'm hoping to learn some stuff about the Mac here since I'm
thinking of making the jump. Seeing as how I have the iPhone 4, plan
on getting the next iPhone that's released in the fall and own an
Apple TV, I figured it made sense to migrate to the Mac... or at least
entertain the possibility. I live in Ontario and, thanks to the
assistive devices program, 75% of a new computer is covered every five
years for those with accessibility needs.

They recently started covering Apple products and my five years is up
this fall so I was thinking of taking full advantage of this.

With that being said, I have a variety of different questions to ask
on here. I just wanted to know what the best way to go about it was.
They cover a wide range of topics and I don't want to spam the list.
On the other side however, putting them all in one e-mail would
probably deter people from viewing certain questions they could answer
because of other questions.

So erm... I guess I'm asking what standard practice is around here for
such things. I bet you guys get the same questions from new comers all
the time so I don't want to be repetitive either.

Thanks for any advice you can lend and I look forward to learning
about the wonderful world of Mac! :)

-Marc

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Re: What is the difference between the reminder and the calendar on the new update on the IOS 5.1

One nice feature of Reminders that people aren't always familiar with is 
the geofence trigger. You can not only set a reminder to ping you on a 
certain date or time but you can also trigger it when you leave a 
location or arrive at a location. I was in a brainstorming session for a 
new accessible iPhone GPS app with a company and a couple people were 
asking for this until I piped up and pointed out that it already existed.


CB

On 4/1/12 6:32 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

Could you kind of give me an idea of how to use it better.

I try to change the dates of the reminders but that seems like a big hassle and 
I sure could use some help.

Also, I think you were the one that was trying to teach me about the message 
headers.  I am using the command O to open messages now and if you could be so 
kind, I could use a baby step tutorial on how to reply to a specific sender and 
not the list again.  I know you tried before but could you give me another 
chance?

Thanks for your patience and if you don't want to go through it again I totally 
understand.

Also, could you tell me if my signature is being sent in this message.

If not could you tell me how to get it started too?

Thanks again.
On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:


The reminder app is more for "to-do" sorts of tasks. The calendar is more for 
specific events at specific dates and times. There's kind of a crossover, as I use one or 
the other sometimes, depending on the task or event.

Teresa

"Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga

On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:


I just updated my 3gs to IOS 5.1 and found the reminder app on the phone.  What 
is the difference between that and the calendar and what is the easiest way to 
use that app as I found it difficult to use.

Thanks for all your help.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


I use to have a braille connect 12 but it was hard on my hands. I heard about 
your recent set up as a friend of yours and mine told me!

On 1 Apr 2012, at 01:56 AM, Thuy Mallalieu  wrote:


Hi Kawal. I also have a Eurobraille Esys but with 12 cells. It's  really good, 
but mine has been a bit unreliable and I've had to send it back 3 times for 
updating firmware and repairs.
Also the note-taking functions are very basic and the diary crashes every so 
often, so I have to keep resetting it. My favorite setup at the moment is the 
I-phone with a Braille connect 12 and Rites Keyboard stuck over the top of the 
connect 12 with velcro. It's a really compact setup with qwerty input and 
braille output. The other good thing about the Braille connect is that it has a 
standby mode and wakes up whenever the iPhone comes on so you can see the 
caller id even when the speech is turned off. They used to do a 24 cell version 
of the Braille connect too, but Human-ware never sold any in this country (UK), 
which is a real shame in my opinion.
Cheers
Thuy

Sent from my iPhone

On 31 Mar 2012, at 21:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:


Hello Thuy.

I know what the product is now and have cancelled the order. I already have a 
Euro braille 40 and may be one day I want a 24 cell (in my dreams)!

Thanks for replying.

Kawal.

On 31 Mar 2012, at 02:27 PM, Thuy Mallalieu  wrote:


Hi  Kawal. Isn't this Braille input only? I have the Braille pen 12, which has 
the display and Braille keyboard, but that's just under 1K. It has really nice 
Braille dots and good keyboard, but no cursor routing, which makes it a bit of 
a pain editing texts  and activating apps. Also, the command to wake it up is 
space with K, which overrides  the keyboard help command. Hope this helps?
Cheers
Thuy


Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Mar 2012, at 16:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:


Hello.

I have just purchased the Slim Braille Pen, priced at £295 the cheapest 
refreshable braille I have seen so far although I do have a Euro braille 40 
which I use as well.

Just wish to know if anyone has used this  either their mac or I phone?

All experiences are welcome.

Kawal.

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Re: What is the difference between the reminder and the calendar on the new update on the IOS 5.1

2012-04-02 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

That's interesting. How would that work if you were not at the location, could 
you do it if you were not?

On 2 Apr 2012, at 05:11 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> One nice feature of Reminders that people aren't always familiar with is the 
> geofence trigger. You can not only set a reminder to ping you on a certain 
> date or time but you can also trigger it when you leave a location or arrive 
> at a location. I was in a brainstorming session for a new accessible iPhone 
> GPS app with a company and a couple people were asking for this until I piped 
> up and pointed out that it already existed.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 4/1/12 6:32 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>> Could you kind of give me an idea of how to use it better.
>> 
>> I try to change the dates of the reminders but that seems like a big hassle 
>> and I sure could use some help.
>> 
>> Also, I think you were the one that was trying to teach me about the message 
>> headers.  I am using the command O to open messages now and if you could be 
>> so kind, I could use a baby step tutorial on how to reply to a specific 
>> sender and not the list again.  I know you tried before but could you give 
>> me another chance?
>> 
>> Thanks for your patience and if you don't want to go through it again I 
>> totally understand.
>> 
>> Also, could you tell me if my signature is being sent in this message.
>> 
>> If not could you tell me how to get it started too?
>> 
>> Thanks again.
>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> The reminder app is more for "to-do" sorts of tasks. The calendar is more 
>>> for specific events at specific dates and times. There's kind of a 
>>> crossover, as I use one or the other sometimes, depending on the task or 
>>> event.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga
>>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>> 
 I just updated my 3gs to IOS 5.1 and found the reminder app on the phone.  
 What is the difference between that and the calendar and what is the 
 easiest way to use that app as I found it difficult to use.
 
 Thanks for all your help.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> I use to have a braille connect 12 but it was hard on my hands. I heard 
> about your recent set up as a friend of yours and mine told me!
> 
> On 1 Apr 2012, at 01:56 AM, Thuy Mallalieu  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal. I also have a Eurobraille Esys but with 12 cells. It's  really 
>> good, but mine has been a bit unreliable and I've had to send it back 3 
>> times for updating firmware and repairs.
>> Also the note-taking functions are very basic and the diary crashes 
>> every so often, so I have to keep resetting it. My favorite setup at the 
>> moment is the I-phone with a Braille connect 12 and Rites Keyboard stuck 
>> over the top of the connect 12 with velcro. It's a really compact setup 
>> with qwerty input and braille output. The other good thing about the 
>> Braille connect is that it has a standby mode and wakes up whenever the 
>> iPhone comes on so you can see the caller id even when the speech is 
>> turned off. They used to do a 24 cell version of the Braille connect 
>> too, but Human-ware never sold any in this country (UK), which is a real 
>> shame in my opinion.
>> Cheers
>> Thuy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 31 Mar 2012, at 21:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Thuy.
>>> 
>>> I know what the product is now and have cancelled the order. I already 
>>> have a Euro braille 40 and may be one day I want a 24 cell (in my 
>>> dreams)!
>>> 
>>> Thanks for replying.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 31 Mar 2012, at 02:27 PM, Thuy Mallalieu  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi  Kawal. Isn't this Braille input only? I have the Braille pen 12, 
 which has the display and Braille keyboard, but that's just under 1K. 
 It has really nice Braille dots and good keyboard, but no cursor 
 routing, which makes it a bit of a pain editing texts  and activating 
 apps. Also, the command to wake it up is space with K, which overrides 
  the keyboard help command. Hope this helps?
 Cheers
 Thuy
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 30 Mar 2012, at 16:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
> Hello.
> 
> I have just purchased the Slim Braille Pen, priced at £295 the 
> cheapest refreshable braille I have seen so far although I do have a 
> Euro braille 40 which I use as well.
> 
> Just wish to know if anyone has used this  either their mac or I 
> phone?
> 
> All experiences are welcome.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
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Re: What is the difference between the reminder and the calendar on the new update on the IOS 5.1

It goes by addresses you tag in your address book. So I have a 'Home' 
address and can set up a geofence to go off when I arrive there.


CB

On 4/2/12 12:16 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

That's interesting. How would that work if you were not at the location, could 
you do it if you were not?

On 2 Apr 2012, at 05:11 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:


One nice feature of Reminders that people aren't always familiar with is the 
geofence trigger. You can not only set a reminder to ping you on a certain date 
or time but you can also trigger it when you leave a location or arrive at a 
location. I was in a brainstorming session for a new accessible iPhone GPS app 
with a company and a couple people were asking for this until I piped up and 
pointed out that it already existed.

CB

On 4/1/12 6:32 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

Could you kind of give me an idea of how to use it better.

I try to change the dates of the reminders but that seems like a big hassle and 
I sure could use some help.

Also, I think you were the one that was trying to teach me about the message 
headers.  I am using the command O to open messages now and if you could be so 
kind, I could use a baby step tutorial on how to reply to a specific sender and 
not the list again.  I know you tried before but could you give me another 
chance?

Thanks for your patience and if you don't want to go through it again I totally 
understand.

Also, could you tell me if my signature is being sent in this message.

If not could you tell me how to get it started too?

Thanks again.
On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:


The reminder app is more for "to-do" sorts of tasks. The calendar is more for 
specific events at specific dates and times. There's kind of a crossover, as I use one or 
the other sometimes, depending on the task or event.

Teresa

"Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga

On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:


I just updated my 3gs to IOS 5.1 and found the reminder app on the phone.  What 
is the difference between that and the calendar and what is the easiest way to 
use that app as I found it difficult to use.

Thanks for all your help.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


I use to have a braille connect 12 but it was hard on my hands. I heard about 
your recent set up as a friend of yours and mine told me!

On 1 Apr 2012, at 01:56 AM, Thuy Mallalieu   wrote:


Hi Kawal. I also have a Eurobraille Esys but with 12 cells. It's  really good, 
but mine has been a bit unreliable and I've had to send it back 3 times for 
updating firmware and repairs.
Also the note-taking functions are very basic and the diary crashes every so 
often, so I have to keep resetting it. My favorite setup at the moment is the 
I-phone with a Braille connect 12 and Rites Keyboard stuck over the top of the 
connect 12 with velcro. It's a really compact setup with qwerty input and 
braille output. The other good thing about the Braille connect is that it has a 
standby mode and wakes up whenever the iPhone comes on so you can see the 
caller id even when the speech is turned off. They used to do a 24 cell version 
of the Braille connect too, but Human-ware never sold any in this country (UK), 
which is a real shame in my opinion.
Cheers
Thuy

Sent from my iPhone

On 31 Mar 2012, at 21:08, Kawal Gucukoglu   wrote:


Hello Thuy.

I know what the product is now and have cancelled the order. I already have a 
Euro braille 40 and may be one day I want a 24 cell (in my dreams)!

Thanks for replying.

Kawal.

On 31 Mar 2012, at 02:27 PM, Thuy Mallalieu   wrote:


Hi  Kawal. Isn't this Braille input only? I have the Braille pen 12, which has 
the display and Braille keyboard, but that's just under 1K. It has really nice 
Braille dots and good keyboard, but no cursor routing, which makes it a bit of 
a pain editing texts  and activating apps. Also, the command to wake it up is 
space with K, which overrides  the keyboard help command. Hope this helps?
Cheers
Thuy


Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Mar 2012, at 16:14, Kawal Gucukoglu   wrote:


Hello.

I have just purchased the Slim Braille Pen, priced at £295 the cheapest 
refreshable braille I have seen so far although I do have a Euro braille 40 
which I use as well.

Just wish to know if anyone has used this  either their mac or I phone?

All experiences are welcome.

Kawal.

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Re: What is the difference between the reminder and the calendar on the new update on the IOS 5.1

2012-04-02 Thread Eric Caron

Hi Jennifer, 

I did two podcasts on how to use the Reminders App from a VoiceOver 
perspective.  You can find them at applevis.com.  My purpose in doing the 
podcasts was to show a person just like you how to use the app and what the 
features were.  I hope you will try them out.  

Eric Caron  


On Apr 1, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

> Could you kind of give me an idea of how to use it better.  
> 
> I try to change the dates of the reminders but that seems like a big hassle 
> and I sure could use some help.
> 
> Also, I think you were the one that was trying to teach me about the message 
> headers.  I am using the command O to open messages now and if you could be 
> so kind, I could use a baby step tutorial on how to reply to a specific 
> sender and not the list again.  I know you tried before but could you give me 
> another chance?
> 
> Thanks for your patience and if you don't want to go through it again I 
> totally understand.  
> 
> Also, could you tell me if my signature is being sent in this message.
> 
> If not could you tell me how to get it started too?
> 
> Thanks again.
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> The reminder app is more for "to-do" sorts of tasks. The calendar is more 
>> for specific events at specific dates and times. There's kind of a 
>> crossover, as I use one or the other sometimes, depending on the task or 
>> event.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>> 
>>> I just updated my 3gs to IOS 5.1 and found the reminder app on the phone.  
>>> What is the difference between that and the calendar and what is the 
>>> easiest way to use that app as I found it difficult to use.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for all your help.
>>> 
>>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 I use to have a braille connect 12 but it was hard on my hands. I heard 
 about your recent set up as a friend of yours and mine told me!
 
 On 1 Apr 2012, at 01:56 AM, Thuy Mallalieu  wrote:
 
> Hi Kawal. I also have a Eurobraille Esys but with 12 cells. It's  really 
> good, but mine has been a bit unreliable and I've had to send it back 3 
> times for updating firmware and repairs.
> Also the note-taking functions are very basic and the diary crashes every 
> so often, so I have to keep resetting it. My favorite setup at the moment 
> is the I-phone with a Braille connect 12 and Rites Keyboard stuck over 
> the top of the connect 12 with velcro. It's a really compact setup with 
> qwerty input and braille output. The other good thing about the Braille 
> connect is that it has a standby mode and wakes up whenever the iPhone 
> comes on so you can see the caller id even when the speech is turned off. 
> They used to do a 24 cell version of the Braille connect too, but 
> Human-ware never sold any in this country (UK), which is a real shame in 
> my opinion.
> Cheers
> Thuy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 31 Mar 2012, at 21:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Thuy.
>> 
>> I know what the product is now and have cancelled the order. I already 
>> have a Euro braille 40 and may be one day I want a 24 cell (in my 
>> dreams)!
>> 
>> Thanks for replying.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 31 Mar 2012, at 02:27 PM, Thuy Mallalieu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi  Kawal. Isn't this Braille input only? I have the Braille pen 12, 
>>> which has the display and Braille keyboard, but that's just under 1K. 
>>> It has really nice Braille dots and good keyboard, but no cursor 
>>> routing, which makes it a bit of a pain editing texts  and activating 
>>> apps. Also, the command to wake it up is space with K, which overrides  
>>> the keyboard help command. Hope this helps?
>>> Cheers
>>> Thuy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 30 Mar 2012, at 16:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello.
 
 I have just purchased the Slim Braille Pen, priced at £295 the 
 cheapest refreshable braille I have seen so far although I do have a 
 Euro braille 40 which I use as well.
 
 Just wish to know if anyone has used this  either their mac or I phone?
 
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Re: Eloquent

Sarai,

Follow the following steps.

1.  Press Command-Shift-M for the Module Manager.
2.  Interact with the first or left most table.
3.  Select which source you wish to search for new modules.
4.  Press Control-F5 to jump directly to the tool bar.
5.  VO-Right Arrow to the Refresh Button.
6.  When Eloquent is through processing your request, VO-Shift Up Arrow to 
leave the tool bar.
7.  Return to the source table & interact with it.
8.  Return to your previously selected source & VO-\ to open it.
9.  Select which findings you wish to browse.  I.E. Bible Texts, Commentaries, 
dictionaries, or General Writings.
10. After making your selection, leave the table & move right with VO-Right 
Arrow to the right most table.
11. Interact with it & move up & down with VO-Up & Down Arrows.
12. When you find a module you wish to add, select the Tasks Pop Up Button & 
select Install.
13. When you're done making your choices for installation, jump to the Tool Bar 
with Control-F5 & select the Process Tasks Button @ the right end of the Tool 
Bar.

That should do it.  Funny, I just did this myself this morning before 
responding to your email.  Good luck & don't hesitate to write if you encounter 
any problems.

God bless,

CJ

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> the KJV only.
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Re: What is the difference between the reminder and the calendar on the new update on the IOS 5.1

2012-04-02 Thread Eric Caron

Jennifer and any others interested in the Reminders app.  Here are the links to 
the podcasts I did on using the App.  I hope these help.

http://www.applevis.com/podcasts/episodes/using-reminders-create-and-manage-tasks-and-lists

http://www.applevis.com/podcasts/episodes/exploring-some-advanced-features-reminders-app


Eric Caron 
On Apr 2, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Eric Caron wrote:

> Hi Jennifer, 
> 
>   I did two podcasts on how to use the Reminders App from a VoiceOver 
> perspective.  You can find them at applevis.com.  My purpose in doing the 
> podcasts was to show a person just like you how to use the app and what the 
> features were.  I hope you will try them out.  
> 
> Eric Caron  
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
> 
>> Could you kind of give me an idea of how to use it better.  
>> 
>> I try to change the dates of the reminders but that seems like a big hassle 
>> and I sure could use some help.
>> 
>> Also, I think you were the one that was trying to teach me about the message 
>> headers.  I am using the command O to open messages now and if you could be 
>> so kind, I could use a baby step tutorial on how to reply to a specific 
>> sender and not the list again.  I know you tried before but could you give 
>> me another chance?
>> 
>> Thanks for your patience and if you don't want to go through it again I 
>> totally understand.  
>> 
>> Also, could you tell me if my signature is being sent in this message.
>> 
>> If not could you tell me how to get it started too?
>> 
>> Thanks again.
>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> The reminder app is more for "to-do" sorts of tasks. The calendar is more 
>>> for specific events at specific dates and times. There's kind of a 
>>> crossover, as I use one or the other sometimes, depending on the task or 
>>> event.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga
>>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>> 
 I just updated my 3gs to IOS 5.1 and found the reminder app on the phone.  
 What is the difference between that and the calendar and what is the 
 easiest way to use that app as I found it difficult to use.
 
 Thanks for all your help.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> I use to have a braille connect 12 but it was hard on my hands. I heard 
> about your recent set up as a friend of yours and mine told me!
> 
> On 1 Apr 2012, at 01:56 AM, Thuy Mallalieu  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal. I also have a Eurobraille Esys but with 12 cells. It's  really 
>> good, but mine has been a bit unreliable and I've had to send it back 3 
>> times for updating firmware and repairs.
>> Also the note-taking functions are very basic and the diary crashes 
>> every so often, so I have to keep resetting it. My favorite setup at the 
>> moment is the I-phone with a Braille connect 12 and Rites Keyboard stuck 
>> over the top of the connect 12 with velcro. It's a really compact setup 
>> with qwerty input and braille output. The other good thing about the 
>> Braille connect is that it has a standby mode and wakes up whenever the 
>> iPhone comes on so you can see the caller id even when the speech is 
>> turned off. They used to do a 24 cell version of the Braille connect 
>> too, but Human-ware never sold any in this country (UK), which is a real 
>> shame in my opinion.
>> Cheers
>> Thuy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 31 Mar 2012, at 21:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Thuy.
>>> 
>>> I know what the product is now and have cancelled the order. I already 
>>> have a Euro braille 40 and may be one day I want a 24 cell (in my 
>>> dreams)!
>>> 
>>> Thanks for replying.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 31 Mar 2012, at 02:27 PM, Thuy Mallalieu  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi  Kawal. Isn't this Braille input only? I have the Braille pen 12, 
 which has the display and Braille keyboard, but that's just under 1K. 
 It has really nice Braille dots and good keyboard, but no cursor 
 routing, which makes it a bit of a pain editing texts  and activating 
 apps. Also, the command to wake it up is space with K, which overrides 
  the keyboard help command. Hope this helps?
 Cheers
 Thuy
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 30 Mar 2012, at 16:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
> Hello.
> 
> I have just purchased the Slim Braille Pen, priced at £295 the 
> cheapest refreshable braille I have seen so far although I do have a 
> Euro braille 40 which I use as well.
> 
> Just wish to know if anyone has used this  either their mac or I 
> phone?
> 
> All expe

Re: Eloquent

2012-04-02 Thread Walter Harper

Where can I download this software from?
Walter 
On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:09 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

> Sarai,
> 
> Follow the following steps.
> 
> 1.  Press Command-Shift-M for the Module Manager.
> 2.  Interact with the first or left most table.
> 3.  Select which source you wish to search for new modules.
> 4.  Press Control-F5 to jump directly to the tool bar.
> 5.  VO-Right Arrow to the Refresh Button.
> 6.  When Eloquent is through processing your request, VO-Shift Up Arrow to 
> leave the tool bar.
> 7.  Return to the source table & interact with it.
> 8.  Return to your previously selected source & VO-\ to open it.
> 9.  Select which findings you wish to browse.  I.E. Bible Texts, 
> Commentaries, dictionaries, or General Writings.
> 10. After making your selection, leave the table & move right with VO-Right 
> Arrow to the right most table.
> 11. Interact with it & move up & down with VO-Up & Down Arrows.
> 12. When you find a module you wish to add, select the Tasks Pop Up Button & 
> select Install.
> 13. When you're done making your choices for installation, jump to the Tool 
> Bar with Control-F5 & select the Process Tasks Button @ the right end of the 
> Tool Bar.
> 
> That should do it.  Funny, I just did this myself this morning before 
> responding to your email.  Good luck & don't hesitate to write if you 
> encounter any problems.
> 
> God bless,
> 
> CJ
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> How do you find other versions of the Bible to download? Elequent comes with 
>> the KJV only.
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Re: Help with iCloud: All Contacts Not Syncing

2012-04-02 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi Buddy,

I had similar issues for a while and it had something to do with my old 
MobileMe account as the iPhone was originally synced with MobileMe contacts.  
If I remember correctly, I first fixed up everything on the Mac like you did, 
then I turned off iCloud syncing on the phone, made sure that all Contacts on 
the iPhone were gone then deleted and re-added my iCloud account to the iPhone. 
 If your iCloud account used to be a MobileMe account, it doesn't appear to 
work properly until you delete then re-add it as an actual iCloud account.

Everything works perfectly for me now, I can add something on my iPhone, it 
syncs to the iPad and all my Macs just like it should.  This hopefully does 
something for you as well.

Later...

On 2012-03-30, at 1:22 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Howdy,
> 
> I wonder if anyone's got any ideas on this.
> 
> I have a bunch of contacts on my Mac. I guess over a couple of times trying 
> to get everything in sync, some had multiples. So, yesterday, I deleted the 
> multiples from my Mac. 
> 
> Then I noticed a bunch of contacts were no longer on the iPhone. 
> 
> So, I turned off iCloud syncing of contacts and told the iPhone to delete the 
> contacts it had on it. Then I turned iCloud sync back on. For a while, I had 
> absolutely no contacts on my phone. But now, I have the same ones on my phone 
> that I had before, which doesn't include some that are on the Mac. 
> 
> So what's happened here, anyone know? How can I get the contacts that aren't 
> on my phone onto my phone? Both the phone and the Mac appear to be set up to 
> sync with iCloud.
> 
> TIA,
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
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Re: Eloquent

Walter,

I'm not sure off the top of my head.  But, if you google Eloquent Bible 
software you'll find it pretty quick.

Good luck,

CJ


On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Walter Harper wrote:

> Where can I download this software from?
> Walter 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:09 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
> 
>> Sarai,
>> 
>> Follow the following steps.
>> 
>> 1.  Press Command-Shift-M for the Module Manager.
>> 2.  Interact with the first or left most table.
>> 3.  Select which source you wish to search for new modules.
>> 4.  Press Control-F5 to jump directly to the tool bar.
>> 5.  VO-Right Arrow to the Refresh Button.
>> 6.  When Eloquent is through processing your request, VO-Shift Up Arrow to 
>> leave the tool bar.
>> 7.  Return to the source table & interact with it.
>> 8.  Return to your previously selected source & VO-\ to open it.
>> 9.  Select which findings you wish to browse.  I.E. Bible Texts, 
>> Commentaries, dictionaries, or General Writings.
>> 10. After making your selection, leave the table & move right with VO-Right 
>> Arrow to the right most table.
>> 11. Interact with it & move up & down with VO-Up & Down Arrows.
>> 12. When you find a module you wish to add, select the Tasks Pop Up Button & 
>> select Install.
>> 13. When you're done making your choices for installation, jump to the Tool 
>> Bar with Control-F5 & select the Process Tasks Button @ the right end of the 
>> Tool Bar.
>> 
>> That should do it.  Funny, I just did this myself this morning before 
>> responding to your email.  Good luck & don't hesitate to write if you 
>> encounter any problems.
>> 
>> God bless,
>> 
>> CJ
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> How do you find other versions of the Bible to download? Elequent comes 
>>> with the KJV only.
>>> 
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Re: Questions about switching from PC to Mac

2012-04-02 Thread Eugenia Firth

Hi  Marc. 
People have said that you have to forget everything about other screen readers 
when learning VoiceOver. I agree with that, and I don't. Interacting is a 
different concept but once you understand that interacting is a way of 
restricting where the screen reader's cursor goes, then it makes sense. 
However, a screen reader, whether on Windows or the Mac, basically has the same 
job. Before I got my Mac, I downloaded the brf file on the Apple web site that 
was the documentation for VoiceOver. I am famous for sitting down and reading 
the software documentation before starting on the program. I usually read all 
the way through at least once. That way, I can kind of remember something is " 
the book I want to find, even if I don't remember all the details. My first 
computer was an Apple II E, so I have been doing computer learning this way for 
a long time. 

I will say that I had a few bad moments before i learned about command-Z. 
That's to cancel what you did. My husband was not too happy the time I copied 
50 files to his computer because I didn't know where I was. That's computers 
for you. 

Regards, 
Gigi 
Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On Apr 2, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> Hi, Marc,
> 
> As long as you're willing to jump right in, and not make many screen-reader 
> comparisons between Mac and windows, and you enjoy learning new ways of doing 
> things, then just dive right in. This is what I did, and I haven't regretted 
> it. I got my Mac Mini about two years ago, and I was like a little kid with a 
> new toy. Also, there is always this list if you get stuck.
> 
> Take care,
> Teresa
> 
> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
> Feynman
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Marc Rocheleau wrote:
> 
>> I just wanted to thank all for the info they've given me so far, it's
>> much appreciated! I kind of disappeared, I know, due to a busy
>> weekend. I will be picking people's brains over the next little while
>> so please have patience with me too! Really appreciate the info about
>> fb, gmail and twitter btw. :)
>> 
>> I feel like I did before getting the iPhone, I was on the fence until
>> I finally took the plunge... then was petrified for the first few days
>> I was using it. After about a week or two though, I started learning
>> things and taught myself... now I can't imagine not having one. It
>> sounds like the same can be said regarding Macs?
>> 
>> My biggest erm... hang-ups I guess... are that I run a wifi network
>> from my current PC that my parents feed off of with a network cable
>> through a router. I am totally clueless as to whether or not a PC/Mac
>> network is possible and what it takes to do that, if so. I also have
>> my programs that I use with Windows... I'm set in my ways... with mp3
>> players, mp3 volume amplifiers (I hate using soundcheck for CD volume
>> normalization) sound editors to create ringtones, etc. I'm just very
>> fearful that there will be something I take for granted now that won't
>> be available after switching over and by then it'll be too late, you
>> know?
>> 
>> Thus the education... all answers so far have been quite helpful
>> though so keep 'em coming and thanks! :)
>> 
>> -Marc
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/1/12, Jennifer Perdue  wrote:
>>> Hi I'm Jenny,
>>> 
>>> I found it hard to make the switch at first, but with the people on this
>>> list and some patience I wouldn't go back to windows if you paid me.  My
>>> husband has a PC and I use it begrudgingly if I have to since that's where
>>> all our music is.  I don't yet have an external drive for my Mac and can't
>>> afford one right now.
>>> 
>>> Please don't hesitate to ask questions of this list.  No question is stupid
>>> or anything like that.  Again, Just be patient.
>>> 
>>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>>> On Mar 31, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Beefcakes wrote:
>>> 
 Hey welcome! Go for the Mac! You'll never regret it. Johnny
 
 Cakes
 
 On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Marc Rocheleau 
 wrote:
 
> Hey all,
> 
> I'm a transplant from the viphone list here and this is my first post
> to MacVisionaries... be gentle.
> 
> In the same way I used that list to educate myself before purchasing
> an iPhone, I'm hoping to learn some stuff about the Mac here since I'm
> thinking of making the jump. Seeing as how I have the iPhone 4, plan
> on getting the next iPhone that's released in the fall and own an
> Apple TV, I figured it made sense to migrate to the Mac... or at least
> entertain the possibility. I live in Ontario and, thanks to the
> assistive devices program, 75% of a new computer is covered every five
> years for those with accessibility needs.
> 
> They recently started covering Apple products and my five years is up
> this fall so I was thinking of taking full advantage of this.
> 
> With that being said, I have a variety of different questions to

Re: Eloquent

2012-04-02 Thread Walter Harper

I am having trouble with downloading it.
I am not sure what is going wrong  I am clicking on the name of the zip file 
and nothing is happening.

On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:26 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

> Walter,
> 
> I'm not sure off the top of my head.  But, if you google Eloquent Bible 
> software you'll find it pretty quick.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> CJ
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Walter Harper wrote:
> 
>> Where can I download this software from?
>> Walter 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:09 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
>> 
>>> Sarai,
>>> 
>>> Follow the following steps.
>>> 
>>> 1.  Press Command-Shift-M for the Module Manager.
>>> 2.  Interact with the first or left most table.
>>> 3.  Select which source you wish to search for new modules.
>>> 4.  Press Control-F5 to jump directly to the tool bar.
>>> 5.  VO-Right Arrow to the Refresh Button.
>>> 6.  When Eloquent is through processing your request, VO-Shift Up Arrow to 
>>> leave the tool bar.
>>> 7.  Return to the source table & interact with it.
>>> 8.  Return to your previously selected source & VO-\ to open it.
>>> 9.  Select which findings you wish to browse.  I.E. Bible Texts, 
>>> Commentaries, dictionaries, or General Writings.
>>> 10. After making your selection, leave the table & move right with VO-Right 
>>> Arrow to the right most table.
>>> 11. Interact with it & move up & down with VO-Up & Down Arrows.
>>> 12. When you find a module you wish to add, select the Tasks Pop Up Button 
>>> & select Install.
>>> 13. When you're done making your choices for installation, jump to the Tool 
>>> Bar with Control-F5 & select the Process Tasks Button @ the right end of 
>>> the Tool Bar.
>>> 
>>> That should do it.  Funny, I just did this myself this morning before 
>>> responding to your email.  Good luck & don't hesitate to write if you 
>>> encounter any problems.
>>> 
>>> God bless,
>>> 
>>> CJ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>>> 
 Hi:
 How do you find other versions of the Bible to download? Elequent comes 
 with the KJV only.
 
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Re: hard time reading man pages in terminal

I'm always forgetting about bwana. It really is nice but old habits die
hard.

On 3/30/12 1:44 PM, Esther wrote:

Hi Eric, Chris, and Others,

My suggestion for reading man pages for terminal commands is to download the
freeware program bwana:
http://bruji.com/bwana/

This program lets you use your browser to read man pages, and for the example that Chris
cited of reading the man page for "bash", you'd simply navigate to the address
bar of Safari with Command-L and type:
man:bash
When you press "return", the man page for the command you specified will be
displayed in your web browser. You can also navigate to linked man page entries within
that web page, and activate those links to display and read their man page entries.

For the general case, just substitute whichever command you want to query after the colon
that you type immediately after the word "man" in the address field.

Bwana will let you read man pages in your browser for all versions of Mac OS X
back to Tiger, and is a universal binary so it can also be run on the old
PowerPC Macs as well as the current Intel Macs.

If you want another variant shell command to display man pages in TextEdit
instead of Preview, you can use:

man bash | col -b | open -f -a TextEdit

In the same thread from last month that discussed various ways of displaying man page information, I
summarized how you could create definitions for both the above way of piping to "col" to reformat
and then opening in TextEdit, and also for the command format that Chris referenced for using Preview. So if
you want to set up your own Terminal command definitions for a "pman" or a "tman" command
that would display in Preview or TextEdit, you can read my archived post:
• Re: terminal: prompt:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg60660.html

However, as I stated at the end of that post, it's really easiest to just use
bwana instead.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 30, 2012, at 6:26 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

This was posted previously on the list to load up man pages using Preview:

man -t bash | open -a preview -f

Maybe that would do a better job. Of course you would replace bash with
whatever command you actually wanted man pages for. I found it was somewhat
readable with VO but sometimes jumped around a bit. For example, it sometimes
would jump to the footer to read that and then come back up to where I was
reading elsewhere on the page.

On 3/30/12 7:17 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

is there an easier to get info on a command in terminal. the man pages read,
but in a broken fashion that makes finding the relevant information
frustratingly difficult. the page won't read every line when the down arrow is
depressed. this forces me to interact in word mode to find out what was not
said.

there has to be another, better way. I have also tried the online html pages
that are recoded man pages, only to get a similar result (meaning that the
reading of these pages is not smooth and feels entirely broken).

-eric

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Re: Questions about switching from PC to Mac

2012-04-02 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

Hey GiGi!

A brf file? please send it to me.

Kawal.

On 2 Apr 2012, at 06:37 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi  Marc. 
> People have said that you have to forget everything about other screen 
> readers when learning VoiceOver. I agree with that, and I don't. Interacting 
> is a different concept but once you understand that interacting is a way of 
> restricting where the screen reader's cursor goes, then it makes sense. 
> However, a screen reader, whether on Windows or the Mac, basically has the 
> same job. Before I got my Mac, I downloaded the brf file on the Apple web 
> site that was the documentation for VoiceOver. I am famous for sitting down 
> and reading the software documentation before starting on the program. I 
> usually read all the way through at least once. That way, I can kind of 
> remember something is " the book I want to find, even if I don't remember all 
> the details. My first computer was an Apple II E, so I have been doing 
> computer learning this way for a long time. 
> 
> I will say that I had a few bad moments before i learned about command-Z. 
> That's to cancel what you did. My husband was not too happy the time I copied 
> 50 files to his computer because I didn't know where I was. That's computers 
> for you. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Marc,
>> 
>> As long as you're willing to jump right in, and not make many screen-reader 
>> comparisons between Mac and windows, and you enjoy learning new ways of 
>> doing things, then just dive right in. This is what I did, and I haven't 
>> regretted it. I got my Mac Mini about two years ago, and I was like a little 
>> kid with a new toy. Also, there is always this list if you get stuck.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
>> Feynman
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Marc Rocheleau wrote:
>> 
>>> I just wanted to thank all for the info they've given me so far, it's
>>> much appreciated! I kind of disappeared, I know, due to a busy
>>> weekend. I will be picking people's brains over the next little while
>>> so please have patience with me too! Really appreciate the info about
>>> fb, gmail and twitter btw. :)
>>> 
>>> I feel like I did before getting the iPhone, I was on the fence until
>>> I finally took the plunge... then was petrified for the first few days
>>> I was using it. After about a week or two though, I started learning
>>> things and taught myself... now I can't imagine not having one. It
>>> sounds like the same can be said regarding Macs?
>>> 
>>> My biggest erm... hang-ups I guess... are that I run a wifi network
>>> from my current PC that my parents feed off of with a network cable
>>> through a router. I am totally clueless as to whether or not a PC/Mac
>>> network is possible and what it takes to do that, if so. I also have
>>> my programs that I use with Windows... I'm set in my ways... with mp3
>>> players, mp3 volume amplifiers (I hate using soundcheck for CD volume
>>> normalization) sound editors to create ringtones, etc. I'm just very
>>> fearful that there will be something I take for granted now that won't
>>> be available after switching over and by then it'll be too late, you
>>> know?
>>> 
>>> Thus the education... all answers so far have been quite helpful
>>> though so keep 'em coming and thanks! :)
>>> 
>>> -Marc
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/1/12, Jennifer Perdue  wrote:
 Hi I'm Jenny,
 
 I found it hard to make the switch at first, but with the people on this
 list and some patience I wouldn't go back to windows if you paid me.  My
 husband has a PC and I use it begrudgingly if I have to since that's where
 all our music is.  I don't yet have an external drive for my Mac and can't
 afford one right now.
 
 Please don't hesitate to ask questions of this list.  No question is stupid
 or anything like that.  Again, Just be patient.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 On Mar 31, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Beefcakes wrote:
 
> Hey welcome! Go for the Mac! You'll never regret it. Johnny
> 
> Cakes
> 
> On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Marc Rocheleau 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I'm a transplant from the viphone list here and this is my first post
>> to MacVisionaries... be gentle.
>> 
>> In the same way I used that list to educate myself before purchasing
>> an iPhone, I'm hoping to learn some stuff about the Mac here since I'm
>> thinking of making the jump. Seeing as how I have the iPhone 4, plan
>> on getting the next iPhone that's released in the fall and own an
>> Apple TV, I figured it made sense to migrate to the Mac... or at least
>> entertain the possibility. I live in Ontario and, thanks to the
>> assistive devices program, 75% of a new computer is covered every five
>> years for those with accessibi

Re: Questions about switching from PC to Mac

2012-04-02 Thread Eugenia Firth

These two brf files are on snowy kitty. Is that okay? 

Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Hey GiGi!
> 
> A brf file? please send it to me.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 2 Apr 2012, at 06:37 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi  Marc. 
>> People have said that you have to forget everything about other screen 
>> readers when learning VoiceOver. I agree with that, and I don't. Interacting 
>> is a different concept but once you understand that interacting is a way of 
>> restricting where the screen reader's cursor goes, then it makes sense. 
>> However, a screen reader, whether on Windows or the Mac, basically has the 
>> same job. Before I got my Mac, I downloaded the brf file on the Apple web 
>> site that was the documentation for VoiceOver. I am famous for sitting down 
>> and reading the software documentation before starting on the program. I 
>> usually read all the way through at least once. That way, I can kind of 
>> remember something is " the book I want to find, even if I don't remember 
>> all the details. My first computer was an Apple II E, so I have been doing 
>> computer learning this way for a long time. 
>> 
>> I will say that I had a few bad moments before i learned about command-Z. 
>> That's to cancel what you did. My husband was not too happy the time I 
>> copied 50 files to his computer because I didn't know where I was. That's 
>> computers for you. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi 
>> Eugenia Firth
>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, Marc,
>>> 
>>> As long as you're willing to jump right in, and not make many screen-reader 
>>> comparisons between Mac and windows, and you enjoy learning new ways of 
>>> doing things, then just dive right in. This is what I did, and I haven't 
>>> regretted it. I got my Mac Mini about two years ago, and I was like a 
>>> little kid with a new toy. Also, there is always this list if you get stuck.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
>>> Feynman
>>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Marc Rocheleau wrote:
>>> 
 I just wanted to thank all for the info they've given me so far, it's
 much appreciated! I kind of disappeared, I know, due to a busy
 weekend. I will be picking people's brains over the next little while
 so please have patience with me too! Really appreciate the info about
 fb, gmail and twitter btw. :)
 
 I feel like I did before getting the iPhone, I was on the fence until
 I finally took the plunge... then was petrified for the first few days
 I was using it. After about a week or two though, I started learning
 things and taught myself... now I can't imagine not having one. It
 sounds like the same can be said regarding Macs?
 
 My biggest erm... hang-ups I guess... are that I run a wifi network
 from my current PC that my parents feed off of with a network cable
 through a router. I am totally clueless as to whether or not a PC/Mac
 network is possible and what it takes to do that, if so. I also have
 my programs that I use with Windows... I'm set in my ways... with mp3
 players, mp3 volume amplifiers (I hate using soundcheck for CD volume
 normalization) sound editors to create ringtones, etc. I'm just very
 fearful that there will be something I take for granted now that won't
 be available after switching over and by then it'll be too late, you
 know?
 
 Thus the education... all answers so far have been quite helpful
 though so keep 'em coming and thanks! :)
 
 -Marc
 
 
 On 4/1/12, Jennifer Perdue  wrote:
> Hi I'm Jenny,
> 
> I found it hard to make the switch at first, but with the people on this
> list and some patience I wouldn't go back to windows if you paid me.  My
> husband has a PC and I use it begrudgingly if I have to since that's where
> all our music is.  I don't yet have an external drive for my Mac and can't
> afford one right now.
> 
> Please don't hesitate to ask questions of this list.  No question is 
> stupid
> or anything like that.  Again, Just be patient.
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> On Mar 31, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Beefcakes wrote:
> 
>> Hey welcome! Go for the Mac! You'll never regret it. Johnny
>> 
>> Cakes
>> 
>> On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Marc Rocheleau 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I'm a transplant from the viphone list here and this is my first post
>>> to MacVisionaries... be gentle.
>>> 
>>> In the same way I used that list to educate myself before purchasing
>>> an iPhone, I'm hoping to learn some stuff about the Mac here since I'm
>>> thinking of making the jump. Seeing as how I have the iPhone 4, plan
>>> on getting the next iPhone that's released in the fall

Re: Questions about switching from PC to Mac

2012-04-02 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav

Chris,

Its anonymously collected, so would breach no privacy laws, none that I know 
of...

I honestly and firmly believe that they would collect this data. Why on Earth 
wouldn't they?

Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199

On 2 Apr 2012, at 16:46, Chris Blouch wrote:

I suspect doing this in today's heightened awareness of consumer tracking and 
privacy, probing people's machines to discover if they were using voiceover 
would be full of legal landmines. Many do not want to self-identify as having a 
disability or have that info pried out of their system config and a company 
that did that secretly or otherwise would probably have a PR mess once it was 
found out.

CB

On 3/31/12 8:42 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:
> this has just triggered an idea and if there's anyone on list working for 
> apple, an apple developer or beta tester, here's the idea.
> 
> so that apple is more aware of who has purchased a mac, whenever you purchase 
> a new mac, start up and register your mac, you should  be able to fill in a 
> questionnaire stating it's use, etc and if so include the option for disabled 
> users including blind users. this way, each purchased system, or operating 
> system or application supplied by apple logs details of blind users, so it 
> gives apple a greater area of support to push for changes in voiceover and 
> app support.
> 
> just a thought on this.
> 
> lew
> 
> On 31 Mar 2012, at 10:53, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Ricardo,
>> 
>> True and we also must remember that Apple is not able to track each time a 
>> blind/visually impaired user purchases a Mac because they aren't ordering it 
>> from a company that sells products to that community. YOu are buying your 
>> Mac from the Apple store etc. So, although APple has a pretty good idea of 
>> the number of VoiceOver users, they probably do not know the exact to the 
>> last person number. So, Apple does listen even if you think at times they 
>> are not.
>> 
>> On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> I really can't argue with that.  selecting text on the web is quite a chore 
>>> on the Mac.  I think Safari, and lack of accessibility or efficiency of a 
>>> office suite for power users of such applications is the Macs greatest 
>>> weakness at this point in comparison to jaws with windows.  But progress is 
>>> being made.  If anyone has used safari with tiger or leopard, and compared 
>>> that to snow leopard or Lion, they would see what I mean. lol.  Or, even 
>>> iWorks 2008 which was completely inaccessible, to iWorks 2009 which has 
>>> some accessibility.  That's why I urge everyone to write Apple sharing some 
>>> of your thoughts in regards to topics like this.  How else can we honestly 
>>> expect Voiceover to improve without feedback.  It doesn't matter how small, 
>>> or insignificant the idea or complaint might be.  Its been my experience 
>>> that its the little things like adding a keystroke to check the time that 
>>> really can enhance the user experience of a product.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>>> 
 HI there,

 I am going to create some controversy probably with my post.

 I think the mac has some amazing features like being able to use the 
 trackpad, having easy access to many different languages, using any mac 
 you encounter on equal footing, having a  stable system, etc.

 I will say that there are enough areas where I find windows (in my case 
 with jaws) easier to use or more smooth, consistent to use

 I have not used other browsers than safari and I find that when pages 
 contain frames it is harder to find relevant information on a page, 
 especially when you do not know the page yet. When you do, it gets faster. 
 I also find selecting text on webpages much more intricate and less 
 reliable
 I do not need my computer for much other than browsing and emails and from 
 time to time creating some more official letters so these differences do 
 not affect me and I can fully enjoy the cool fun sides of the mac like the 
 variety in voices. But I find sometimes I am more efficient on the  pc. It 
 might be that I am still new to the mac (about 5 months) but I guess maybe 
 this side of things is worth putting out for discussion.
 But, after all, you can still install windows on your mac and get the best 
 of both worlds. I do not have a pc and do not have a windows version to 
 install on my mac so it was swim or sink with the mac for me. I think I 
 have not drowned yet and am enjoying the swim de

Re: Questions about switching from PC to Mac

I think if it came out that Apple was probing your system to figure out 
if you are using assistive technology (which probably means you have a 
disability) and did this without asking you first, the press and various 
advocate organizations would have a field day around violation of 
personal privacy. But, I'm not a lawyer and, in this case, it's all 
conjecture. I do know that I was contacted by some folks from a large 
web advertising company about my coding an MSAA detector on web 
browsers. It eventually got shot down by their privacy folks for the 
aforementioned reason. So my opinion is not without some basis.


CB

On 4/2/12 2:57 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

Chris,

Its anonymously collected, so would breach no privacy laws, none that I know 
of...

I honestly and firmly believe that they would collect this data. Why on Earth 
wouldn't they?


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199



On 2 Apr 2012, at 16:46, Chris Blouch wrote:

I suspect doing this in today's heightened awareness of consumer tracking and 
privacy, probing people's machines to discover if they were using voiceover 
would be full of legal landmines. Many do not want to self-identify as having a 
disability or have that info pried out of their system config and a company 
that did that secretly or otherwise would probably have a PR mess once it was 
found out.

CB

On 3/31/12 8:42 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:

this has just triggered an idea and if there's anyone on list working for 
apple, an apple developer or beta tester, here's the idea.

so that apple is more aware of who has purchased a mac, whenever you purchase a 
new mac, start up and register your mac, you should  be able to fill in a 
questionnaire stating it's use, etc and if so include the option for disabled 
users including blind users. this way, each purchased system, or operating 
system or application supplied by apple logs details of blind users, so it 
gives apple a greater area of support to push for changes in voiceover and app 
support.

just a thought on this.

lew

On 31 Mar 2012, at 10:53, Scott Howell wrote:


Ricardo,

True and we also must remember that Apple is not able to track each time a 
blind/visually impaired user purchases a Mac because they aren't ordering it 
from a company that sells products to that community. YOu are buying your Mac 
from the Apple store etc. So, although APple has a pretty good idea of the 
number of VoiceOver users, they probably do not know the exact to the last 
person number. So, Apple does listen even if you think at times they are not.

On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:


I really can't argue with that.  selecting text on the web is quite a chore on 
the Mac.  I think Safari, and lack of accessibility or efficiency of a office 
suite for power users of such applications is the Macs greatest weakness at 
this point in comparison to jaws with windows.  But progress is being made.  If 
anyone has used safari with tiger or leopard, and compared that to snow leopard 
or Lion, they would see what I mean. lol.  Or, even iWorks 2008 which was 
completely inaccessible, to iWorks 2009 which has some accessibility.  That's 
why I urge everyone to write Apple sharing some of your thoughts in regards to 
topics like this.  How else can we honestly expect Voiceover to improve without 
feedback.  It doesn't matter how small, or insignificant the idea or complaint 
might be.  Its been my experience that its the little things like adding a 
keystroke to check the time that really can enhance the user experience of a 
product.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Mar 30, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Ioana Gandrabur   wrote:


HI there,

I am going to create some controversy probably with my post.

I think the mac has some amazing features like being able to use the trackpad, 
having easy access to many different languages, using any mac you encounter on 
equal footing, having a  stable system, etc.

I will say that there are enough areas where I find windows (in my case with 
jaws) easier to use or more smooth, consistent to use

I have not used other browsers than safari and I find that when pages contain 
frames it is harder to find relevant information on a page, especially when you 
do not know the page yet. When you do, it gets faster. I also find selecting 
text on webpages much more intricate and less reliable
I do not need my computer for much other than browsing and emails and from time 
to time creating some more official letters so these differences do not affect 
me and I can fully enjoy the cool fun sides of the mac like the variety in 
voices. But I find sometimes I am more efficient on the  pc. It m

Re: Eloquent

Walter,

You might try closing out Voice Over & relaunching it.  If that doesn't work, 
then ditto for Safari.  Lastly, if none of the above fix's the problem, then 
bookmark the page & reboot your system.  I don't know why, but sometimes things 
just go haywire & you've got to start from zero.

Good luck,

CJ

On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Walter Harper wrote:

> I am having trouble with downloading it.
> I am not sure what is going wrong  I am clicking on the name of the zip file 
> and nothing is happening.
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:26 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
> 
>> Walter,
>> 
>> I'm not sure off the top of my head.  But, if you google Eloquent Bible 
>> software you'll find it pretty quick.
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> 
>> CJ
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Walter Harper wrote:
>> 
>>> Where can I download this software from?
>>> Walter 
>>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:09 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
>>> 
 Sarai,

 Follow the following steps.

 1.  Press Command-Shift-M for the Module Manager.
 2.  Interact with the first or left most table.
 3.  Select which source you wish to search for new modules.
 4.  Press Control-F5 to jump directly to the tool bar.
 5.  VO-Right Arrow to the Refresh Button.
 6.  When Eloquent is through processing your request, VO-Shift Up Arrow to 
 leave the tool bar.
 7.  Return to the source table & interact with it.
 8.  Return to your previously selected source & VO-\ to open it.
 9.  Select which findings you wish to browse.  I.E. Bible Texts, 
 Commentaries, dictionaries, or General Writings.
 10. After making your selection, leave the table & move right with 
 VO-Right Arrow to the right most table.
 11. Interact with it & move up & down with VO-Up & Down Arrows.
 12. When you find a module you wish to add, select the Tasks Pop Up Button 
 & select Install.
 13. When you're done making your choices for installation, jump to the 
 Tool Bar with Control-F5 & select the Process Tasks Button @ the right end 
 of the Tool Bar.

 That should do it.  Funny, I just did this myself this morning before 
 responding to your email.  Good luck & don't hesitate to write if you 
 encounter any problems.

 God bless,

 CJ

 On Apr 1, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> Hi:
> How do you find other versions of the Bible to download? Elequent comes 
> with the KJV only.
> 
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RE: A Thank YOu, An Update, and a Question

Thank you, Stanza.

I will give MacSword a try.

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Thank YOu, An Update, and a Question

Hi Mark,
I use "macsword", which I downloaded from "macsword.com" along with fifteen
versions of the "Bible" [in english] free.
I have found the program user friendly and accessible, with perhaps one
small problem, some of the versions don't read continuously, that is you
need to use "arrow keys" to read line by line.
I am not sure about the later versions of "OS" as I am still using "OS X.4
Tiger".
Good luck.
Stanza.

On 01 Apr 2012, at 2:03 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am cross posting this to both the V iPhone mailing list and the Mac 
> Visionaries mailing list.
>
> I am finally getting the hang of this new Braille display and I must 
> say that I love it
>
> It is as if an entire new world has been added to the already 
> marvelous one.
>
>
> Thanks to your support, I can now read iBooks conveniently on my 
> iPhone 4 S.
>
>
> I am a little surprised that there is not continuous Braille reading 
> that would eliminate the need to engage the page chooser button such 
> as that which can be engaged via the say all command but ...
>
> I'm assuming someone has made this request of Apple by now.  It just 
> seems to me logical that one should be able to just keep using the 
> down/ next line hardware key on the display to keep reading, allowing 
> the page to change automatically such as it does when one is using the 
> voice.  Oh well.
>
> As for reading the NIV of the Bible on my iPhone, I am happy to report 
> that, for whatever reason, it now works.  I did not have to download a 
> second app.
>
> I just spent the last 3 hours reading the various versions of my 
> favorite parts and the joy that fills my heart is almost overwhelming.
>
> The thought of being able to attend church or a prayer meeting with 
> nothing but my iPhone and my Braille display giving me the ability to 
> share in the activities on an equal basis is a lifelong dream that has 
> finally come true.
>
>
> To those of you using a Mac, can you recommend a good Bible app that I 
> can purchase?  As you may have surmised, the NIV is my preferred 
> version but I will be happy for any info you provide.  Perhaps there 
> is an application that will allow one to view different versions of 
> the Bible as there is on the iOS platform.
>
> Finally, while I am certain I will have a few more questions along the 
> way, I just wanted to express my gratitude for your patience in 
> getting me up and running with this dazzling new device.
>
> Most Sincerely,
>
> Mark
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Re: Eloquent

2012-04-02 Thread Walter Harper

alright,
I will give that a try.
Walter 
On Apr 2, 2012, at 3:17 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

> Walter,
> 
> You might try closing out Voice Over & relaunching it.  If that doesn't work, 
> then ditto for Safari.  Lastly, if none of the above fix's the problem, then 
> bookmark the page & reboot your system.  I don't know why, but sometimes 
> things just go haywire & you've got to start from zero.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> CJ
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Walter Harper wrote:
> 
>> I am having trouble with downloading it.
>> I am not sure what is going wrong  I am clicking on the name of the zip file 
>> and nothing is happening.
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:26 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
>> 
>>> Walter,
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure off the top of my head.  But, if you google Eloquent Bible 
>>> software you'll find it pretty quick.
>>> 
>>> Good luck,
>>> 
>>> CJ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Walter Harper wrote:
>>> 
 Where can I download this software from?
 Walter 
 On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:09 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
> Sarai,
> 
> Follow the following steps.
> 
> 1.  Press Command-Shift-M for the Module Manager.
> 2.  Interact with the first or left most table.
> 3.  Select which source you wish to search for new modules.
> 4.  Press Control-F5 to jump directly to the tool bar.
> 5.  VO-Right Arrow to the Refresh Button.
> 6.  When Eloquent is through processing your request, VO-Shift Up Arrow 
> to leave the tool bar.
> 7.  Return to the source table & interact with it.
> 8.  Return to your previously selected source & VO-\ to open it.
> 9.  Select which findings you wish to browse.  I.E. Bible Texts, 
> Commentaries, dictionaries, or General Writings.
> 10. After making your selection, leave the table & move right with 
> VO-Right Arrow to the right most table.
> 11. Interact with it & move up & down with VO-Up & Down Arrows.
> 12. When you find a module you wish to add, select the Tasks Pop Up 
> Button & select Install.
> 13. When you're done making your choices for installation, jump to the 
> Tool Bar with Control-F5 & select the Process Tasks Button @ the right 
> end of the Tool Bar.
> 
> That should do it.  Funny, I just did this myself this morning before 
> responding to your email.  Good luck & don't hesitate to write if you 
> encounter any problems.
> 
> God bless,
> 
> CJ
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> How do you find other versions of the Bible to download? Elequent comes 
>> with the KJV only.
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RE: What is the difference between the reminder and the calendar on the new update on the IOS 5.1

Hello Eric,

Thank you for posting the links to the episode.

Mark



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Caron
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What is the difference between the reminder and the calendar on
the new update on the IOS 5.1

Jennifer and any others interested in the Reminders app.  Here are the links
to the podcasts I did on using the App.  I hope these help.

http://www.applevis.com/podcasts/episodes/using-reminders-create-and-manage-
tasks-and-lists

http://www.applevis.com/podcasts/episodes/exploring-some-advanced-features-r
eminders-app


Eric Caron 
On Apr 2, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Eric Caron wrote:

> Hi Jennifer, 
> 
>   I did two podcasts on how to use the Reminders App from a VoiceOver
perspective.  You can find them at applevis.com.  My purpose in doing the
podcasts was to show a person just like you how to use the app and what the
features were.  I hope you will try them out.  
> 
> Eric Caron  
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
> 
>> Could you kind of give me an idea of how to use it better.  
>> 
>> I try to change the dates of the reminders but that seems like a big
hassle and I sure could use some help.
>> 
>> Also, I think you were the one that was trying to teach me about the
message headers.  I am using the command O to open messages now and if you
could be so kind, I could use a baby step tutorial on how to reply to a
specific sender and not the list again.  I know you tried before but could
you give me another chance?
>> 
>> Thanks for your patience and if you don't want to go through it again I
totally understand.  
>> 
>> Also, could you tell me if my signature is being sent in this message.
>> 
>> If not could you tell me how to get it started too?
>> 
>> Thanks again.
>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> The reminder app is more for "to-do" sorts of tasks. The calendar is
more for specific events at specific dates and times. There's kind of a
crossover, as I use one or the other sometimes, depending on the task or
event.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte
Saga
>>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>> 
 I just updated my 3gs to IOS 5.1 and found the reminder app on the
phone.  What is the difference between that and the calendar and what is the
easiest way to use that app as I found it difficult to use.
 
 Thanks for all your help.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> I use to have a braille connect 12 but it was hard on my hands. I
heard about your recent set up as a friend of yours and mine told me!
> 
> On 1 Apr 2012, at 01:56 AM, Thuy Mallalieu 
wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal. I also have a Eurobraille Esys but with 12 cells. It's
really good, but mine has been a bit unreliable and I've had to send it back
3 times for updating firmware and repairs.
>> Also the note-taking functions are very basic and the diary crashes
every so often, so I have to keep resetting it. My favorite setup at the
moment is the I-phone with a Braille connect 12 and Rites Keyboard stuck
over the top of the connect 12 with velcro. It's a really compact setup with
qwerty input and braille output. The other good thing about the Braille
connect is that it has a standby mode and wakes up whenever the iPhone comes
on so you can see the caller id even when the speech is turned off. They
used to do a 24 cell version of the Braille connect too, but Human-ware
never sold any in this country (UK), which is a real shame in my opinion.
>> Cheers
>> Thuy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 31 Mar 2012, at 21:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Thuy.
>>> 
>>> I know what the product is now and have cancelled the order. I
already have a Euro braille 40 and may be one day I want a 24 cell (in my
dreams)!
>>> 
>>> Thanks for replying.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 31 Mar 2012, at 02:27 PM, Thuy Mallalieu 
wrote:
>>> 
 Hi  Kawal. Isn't this Braille input only? I have the Braille pen
12, which has the display and Braille keyboard, but that's just under 1K. It
has really nice Braille dots and good keyboard, but no cursor routing, which
makes it a bit of a pain editing texts  and activating apps. Also, the
command to wake it up is space with K, which overrides  the keyboard help
command. Hope this helps?
 Cheers
 Thuy
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 30 Mar 2012, at 16:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
> Hello.
> 
> I have just purchased the Slim Braille Pen, priced at £295 the
cheapest refreshable braille I have seen so far although I do have a Euro
braille 40 which I use as well.
>

RE: Eloquent

Hello Everyone,

I just finished reading through this thread.

If I may:

Can one download the NIV using this program?  While I'm almost positive the
answer is yes, I do not see where this is stated in the thread.

Thank you,

Mark

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Eloquent

Walter,

You might try closing out Voice Over & relaunching it.  If that doesn't
work, then ditto for Safari.  Lastly, if none of the above fix's the
problem, then bookmark the page & reboot your system.  I don't know why, but
sometimes things just go haywire & you've got to start from zero.

Good luck,

CJ

On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Walter Harper wrote:

> I am having trouble with downloading it.
> I am not sure what is going wrong  I am clicking on the name of the zip
file and nothing is happening.
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:26 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
> 
>> Walter,
>> 
>> I'm not sure off the top of my head.  But, if you google Eloquent Bible
software you'll find it pretty quick.
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> 
>> CJ
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Walter Harper wrote:
>> 
>>> Where can I download this software from?
>>> Walter 
>>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:09 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
>>> 
 Sarai,

 Follow the following steps.

 1.  Press Command-Shift-M for the Module Manager.
 2.  Interact with the first or left most table.
 3.  Select which source you wish to search for new modules.
 4.  Press Control-F5 to jump directly to the tool bar.
 5.  VO-Right Arrow to the Refresh Button.
 6.  When Eloquent is through processing your request, VO-Shift Up Arrow
to leave the tool bar.
 7.  Return to the source table & interact with it.
 8.  Return to your previously selected source & VO-\ to open it.
 9.  Select which findings you wish to browse.  I.E. Bible Texts,
Commentaries, dictionaries, or General Writings.
 10. After making your selection, leave the table & move right with
VO-Right Arrow to the right most table.
 11. Interact with it & move up & down with VO-Up & Down Arrows.
 12. When you find a module you wish to add, select the Tasks Pop Up
Button & select Install.
 13. When you're done making your choices for installation, jump to the
Tool Bar with Control-F5 & select the Process Tasks Button @ the right end
of the Tool Bar.

 That should do it.  Funny, I just did this myself this morning before
responding to your email.  Good luck & don't hesitate to write if you
encounter any problems.

 God bless,

 CJ

 On Apr 1, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> Hi:
> How do you find other versions of the Bible to download? Elequent
comes with the KJV only.
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Re: Questions about switching from PC to Mac

2012-04-02 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

That's fine.

On 2 Apr 2012, at 07:30 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> These two brf files are on snowy kitty. Is that okay? 
> 
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Hey GiGi!
>> 
>> A brf file? please send it to me.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 2 Apr 2012, at 06:37 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi  Marc. 
>>> People have said that you have to forget everything about other screen 
>>> readers when learning VoiceOver. I agree with that, and I don't. 
>>> Interacting is a different concept but once you understand that interacting 
>>> is a way of restricting where the screen reader's cursor goes, then it 
>>> makes sense. However, a screen reader, whether on Windows or the Mac, 
>>> basically has the same job. Before I got my Mac, I downloaded the brf file 
>>> on the Apple web site that was the documentation for VoiceOver. I am famous 
>>> for sitting down and reading the software documentation before starting on 
>>> the program. I usually read all the way through at least once. That way, I 
>>> can kind of remember something is " the book I want to find, even if I 
>>> don't remember all the details. My first computer was an Apple II E, so I 
>>> have been doing computer learning this way for a long time. 
>>> 
>>> I will say that I had a few bad moments before i learned about command-Z. 
>>> That's to cancel what you did. My husband was not too happy the time I 
>>> copied 50 files to his computer because I didn't know where I was. That's 
>>> computers for you. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Gigi 
>>> Eugenia Firth
>>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, Marc,
 
 As long as you're willing to jump right in, and not make many 
 screen-reader comparisons between Mac and windows, and you enjoy learning 
 new ways of doing things, then just dive right in. This is what I did, and 
 I haven't regretted it. I got my Mac Mini about two years ago, and I was 
 like a little kid with a new toy. Also, there is always this list if you 
 get stuck.
 
 Take care,
 Teresa
 
 "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
 Feynman
 
 On Apr 2, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Marc Rocheleau wrote:
 
> I just wanted to thank all for the info they've given me so far, it's
> much appreciated! I kind of disappeared, I know, due to a busy
> weekend. I will be picking people's brains over the next little while
> so please have patience with me too! Really appreciate the info about
> fb, gmail and twitter btw. :)
> 
> I feel like I did before getting the iPhone, I was on the fence until
> I finally took the plunge... then was petrified for the first few days
> I was using it. After about a week or two though, I started learning
> things and taught myself... now I can't imagine not having one. It
> sounds like the same can be said regarding Macs?
> 
> My biggest erm... hang-ups I guess... are that I run a wifi network
> from my current PC that my parents feed off of with a network cable
> through a router. I am totally clueless as to whether or not a PC/Mac
> network is possible and what it takes to do that, if so. I also have
> my programs that I use with Windows... I'm set in my ways... with mp3
> players, mp3 volume amplifiers (I hate using soundcheck for CD volume
> normalization) sound editors to create ringtones, etc. I'm just very
> fearful that there will be something I take for granted now that won't
> be available after switching over and by then it'll be too late, you
> know?
> 
> Thus the education... all answers so far have been quite helpful
> though so keep 'em coming and thanks! :)
> 
> -Marc
> 
> 
> On 4/1/12, Jennifer Perdue  wrote:
>> Hi I'm Jenny,
>> 
>> I found it hard to make the switch at first, but with the people on this
>> list and some patience I wouldn't go back to windows if you paid me.  My
>> husband has a PC and I use it begrudgingly if I have to since that's 
>> where
>> all our music is.  I don't yet have an external drive for my Mac and 
>> can't
>> afford one right now.
>> 
>> Please don't hesitate to ask questions of this list.  No question is 
>> stupid
>> or anything like that.  Again, Just be patient.
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> On Mar 31, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Beefcakes wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey welcome! Go for the Mac! You'll never regret it. Johnny
>>> 
>>> Cakes
>>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Marc Rocheleau 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hey all,
 
 I'm a transplant from the viphone list here and this is my first post
 to MacVisionaries... be gentle.
 
 In the same way I used that list to educate myself before purchasing
>>>

Re: Eloquent

Mark,

Unfortunately, the NIV is not one of the free downloads.  There are many 
versions, so I haven't asked the Eloquent community about versions that must be 
purchased.

Hope this helps,

CJ


On Apr 2, 2012, at 12:36 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I just finished reading through this thread.
> 
> If I may:
> 
> Can one download the NIV using this program?  While I'm almost positive the
> answer is yes, I do not see where this is stated in the thread.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CJ Daniel
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Eloquent
> 
> Walter,
> 
> You might try closing out Voice Over & relaunching it.  If that doesn't
> work, then ditto for Safari.  Lastly, if none of the above fix's the
> problem, then bookmark the page & reboot your system.  I don't know why, but
> sometimes things just go haywire & you've got to start from zero.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> CJ
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Walter Harper wrote:
> 
>> I am having trouble with downloading it.
>> I am not sure what is going wrong  I am clicking on the name of the zip
> file and nothing is happening.
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:26 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
>> 
>>> Walter,
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure off the top of my head.  But, if you google Eloquent Bible
> software you'll find it pretty quick.
>>> 
>>> Good luck,
>>> 
>>> CJ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Walter Harper wrote:
>>> 
 Where can I download this software from?
 Walter 
 On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:09 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
> Sarai,
> 
> Follow the following steps.
> 
> 1.  Press Command-Shift-M for the Module Manager.
> 2.  Interact with the first or left most table.
> 3.  Select which source you wish to search for new modules.
> 4.  Press Control-F5 to jump directly to the tool bar.
> 5.  VO-Right Arrow to the Refresh Button.
> 6.  When Eloquent is through processing your request, VO-Shift Up Arrow
> to leave the tool bar.
> 7.  Return to the source table & interact with it.
> 8.  Return to your previously selected source & VO-\ to open it.
> 9.  Select which findings you wish to browse.  I.E. Bible Texts,
> Commentaries, dictionaries, or General Writings.
> 10. After making your selection, leave the table & move right with
> VO-Right Arrow to the right most table.
> 11. Interact with it & move up & down with VO-Up & Down Arrows.
> 12. When you find a module you wish to add, select the Tasks Pop Up
> Button & select Install.
> 13. When you're done making your choices for installation, jump to the
> Tool Bar with Control-F5 & select the Process Tasks Button @ the right end
> of the Tool Bar.
> 
> That should do it.  Funny, I just did this myself this morning before
> responding to your email.  Good luck & don't hesitate to write if you
> encounter any problems.
> 
> God bless,
> 
> CJ
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> How do you find other versions of the Bible to download? Elequent
> comes with the KJV only.
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Re: What is the difference between the reminder and the calendar on the new update on the IOS 5.1

2012-04-02 Thread Jennifer Perdue

Hi,

The thing is, I don't know how to use any of those features.  I'm still having 
a hard time making it set for a certain date.  I can't imagine how difficult it 
would be to make it, well, I'm not even sure what all of that means that you 
said.  

Sorry if I'm a little ignorant but I'm just starting with IOS 5.1.  

Could you give me a baby step version on how to set it for a particular date 
for a reminder and also explain what you mean in the email above.  

Thanks in advance for you great patience.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Apr 2, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> One nice feature of Reminders that people aren't always familiar with is the 
> geofence trigger. You can not only set a reminder to ping you on a certain 
> date or time but you can also trigger it when you leave a location or arrive 
> at a location. I was in a brainstorming session for a new accessible iPhone 
> GPS app with a company and a couple people were asking for this until I piped 
> up and pointed out that it already existed.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 4/1/12 6:32 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>> Could you kind of give me an idea of how to use it better.
>> 
>> I try to change the dates of the reminders but that seems like a big hassle 
>> and I sure could use some help.
>> 
>> Also, I think you were the one that was trying to teach me about the message 
>> headers.  I am using the command O to open messages now and if you could be 
>> so kind, I could use a baby step tutorial on how to reply to a specific 
>> sender and not the list again.  I know you tried before but could you give 
>> me another chance?
>> 
>> Thanks for your patience and if you don't want to go through it again I 
>> totally understand.
>> 
>> Also, could you tell me if my signature is being sent in this message.
>> 
>> If not could you tell me how to get it started too?
>> 
>> Thanks again.
>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> The reminder app is more for "to-do" sorts of tasks. The calendar is more 
>>> for specific events at specific dates and times. There's kind of a 
>>> crossover, as I use one or the other sometimes, depending on the task or 
>>> event.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga
>>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>> 
 I just updated my 3gs to IOS 5.1 and found the reminder app on the phone.  
 What is the difference between that and the calendar and what is the 
 easiest way to use that app as I found it difficult to use.
 
 Thanks for all your help.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> I use to have a braille connect 12 but it was hard on my hands. I heard 
> about your recent set up as a friend of yours and mine told me!
> 
> On 1 Apr 2012, at 01:56 AM, Thuy Mallalieu  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal. I also have a Eurobraille Esys but with 12 cells. It's  really 
>> good, but mine has been a bit unreliable and I've had to send it back 3 
>> times for updating firmware and repairs.
>> Also the note-taking functions are very basic and the diary crashes 
>> every so often, so I have to keep resetting it. My favorite setup at the 
>> moment is the I-phone with a Braille connect 12 and Rites Keyboard stuck 
>> over the top of the connect 12 with velcro. It's a really compact setup 
>> with qwerty input and braille output. The other good thing about the 
>> Braille connect is that it has a standby mode and wakes up whenever the 
>> iPhone comes on so you can see the caller id even when the speech is 
>> turned off. They used to do a 24 cell version of the Braille connect 
>> too, but Human-ware never sold any in this country (UK), which is a real 
>> shame in my opinion.
>> Cheers
>> Thuy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 31 Mar 2012, at 21:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Thuy.
>>> 
>>> I know what the product is now and have cancelled the order. I already 
>>> have a Euro braille 40 and may be one day I want a 24 cell (in my 
>>> dreams)!
>>> 
>>> Thanks for replying.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 31 Mar 2012, at 02:27 PM, Thuy Mallalieu  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi  Kawal. Isn't this Braille input only? I have the Braille pen 12, 
 which has the display and Braille keyboard, but that's just under 1K. 
 It has really nice Braille dots and good keyboard, but no cursor 
 routing, which makes it a bit of a pain editing texts  and activating 
 apps. Also, the command to wake it up is space with K, which overrides 
  the keyboard help command. Hope this helps?
 Cheers
 Thuy
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 30 Mar 2012, at 16:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
> Hello.
> 
>

Re: Amadeus or GarageBand

2012-04-02 Thread Nektarios Mallas

Hello. So, is it possible to use GarageBand to record midi tracks and then 
listen to them through your keyboard's voices or you have only one way midi 
communication?

Nektarios.

On Apr 1, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:

> garage band is a more voiceover orientated package for general multitracking 
> with digital instruments, samples, etc, amadeus is more of an audio editing / 
> mastering tool.
> 
> if you're serious about recording, I'd advise on protools 10. it's much more 
> voiceover orientated and offers tools  that aren't available in products like 
> garageband or amadeus.
> 
> lew
> 
> On 31 Mar 2012, at 23:38, Beefcakes wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone, which one is better for editing and doing sequence work? 
>> Amadeus or GarageBand? Which ones easier? Which ones a better all-around 
>> recording studio? Thanks, sorry for all the questions, Johnny
>> 
>> Cakes
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Re: What is the difference between the reminder and the calendar on the new update on the IOS 5.1

2012-04-02 Thread Jennifer Perdue

OK, call me stupid, but I went on the site and couldn't find the podcast you 
were referring to.  

Could you be more specific or could you send me a direct link please.  

I'm still a newer Mac user and can't find things on sites as well as I'd like.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Apr 2, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Eric Caron wrote:

> Hi Jennifer, 
> 
>   I did two podcasts on how to use the Reminders App from a VoiceOver 
> perspective.  You can find them at applevis.com.  My purpose in doing the 
> podcasts was to show a person just like you how to use the app and what the 
> features were.  I hope you will try them out.  
> 
> Eric Caron  
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
> 
>> Could you kind of give me an idea of how to use it better.  
>> 
>> I try to change the dates of the reminders but that seems like a big hassle 
>> and I sure could use some help.
>> 
>> Also, I think you were the one that was trying to teach me about the message 
>> headers.  I am using the command O to open messages now and if you could be 
>> so kind, I could use a baby step tutorial on how to reply to a specific 
>> sender and not the list again.  I know you tried before but could you give 
>> me another chance?
>> 
>> Thanks for your patience and if you don't want to go through it again I 
>> totally understand.  
>> 
>> Also, could you tell me if my signature is being sent in this message.
>> 
>> If not could you tell me how to get it started too?
>> 
>> Thanks again.
>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> The reminder app is more for "to-do" sorts of tasks. The calendar is more 
>>> for specific events at specific dates and times. There's kind of a 
>>> crossover, as I use one or the other sometimes, depending on the task or 
>>> event.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga
>>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>> 
 I just updated my 3gs to IOS 5.1 and found the reminder app on the phone.  
 What is the difference between that and the calendar and what is the 
 easiest way to use that app as I found it difficult to use.
 
 Thanks for all your help.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> I use to have a braille connect 12 but it was hard on my hands. I heard 
> about your recent set up as a friend of yours and mine told me!
> 
> On 1 Apr 2012, at 01:56 AM, Thuy Mallalieu  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal. I also have a Eurobraille Esys but with 12 cells. It's  really 
>> good, but mine has been a bit unreliable and I've had to send it back 3 
>> times for updating firmware and repairs.
>> Also the note-taking functions are very basic and the diary crashes 
>> every so often, so I have to keep resetting it. My favorite setup at the 
>> moment is the I-phone with a Braille connect 12 and Rites Keyboard stuck 
>> over the top of the connect 12 with velcro. It's a really compact setup 
>> with qwerty input and braille output. The other good thing about the 
>> Braille connect is that it has a standby mode and wakes up whenever the 
>> iPhone comes on so you can see the caller id even when the speech is 
>> turned off. They used to do a 24 cell version of the Braille connect 
>> too, but Human-ware never sold any in this country (UK), which is a real 
>> shame in my opinion.
>> Cheers
>> Thuy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 31 Mar 2012, at 21:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Thuy.
>>> 
>>> I know what the product is now and have cancelled the order. I already 
>>> have a Euro braille 40 and may be one day I want a 24 cell (in my 
>>> dreams)!
>>> 
>>> Thanks for replying.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 31 Mar 2012, at 02:27 PM, Thuy Mallalieu  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi  Kawal. Isn't this Braille input only? I have the Braille pen 12, 
 which has the display and Braille keyboard, but that's just under 1K. 
 It has really nice Braille dots and good keyboard, but no cursor 
 routing, which makes it a bit of a pain editing texts  and activating 
 apps. Also, the command to wake it up is space with K, which overrides 
  the keyboard help command. Hope this helps?
 Cheers
 Thuy
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 30 Mar 2012, at 16:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
> Hello.
> 
> I have just purchased the Slim Braille Pen, priced at £295 the 
> cheapest refreshable braille I have seen so far although I do have a 
> Euro braille 40 which I use as well.
> 
> Just wish to know if anyone has used this  either their mac or I 
> phone?
> 
> All experiences are welcome.
> 
> Kawal.
>

Re: What is the difference between the reminder and the calendar on the new update on the IOS 5.1

2012-04-02 Thread Jennifer Perdue

OK, now I'm really frustrated.  I try to click on the links on the email but I 
can't get to the right stuff.  It just pulls up the last site I had open.  What 
am I doing wrong?

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Apr 2, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Eric Caron wrote:

> Jennifer and any others interested in the Reminders app.  Here are the links 
> to the podcasts I did on using the App.  I hope these help.
> 
> http://www.applevis.com/podcasts/episodes/using-reminders-create-and-manage-tasks-and-lists
> 
> http://www.applevis.com/podcasts/episodes/exploring-some-advanced-features-reminders-app
> 
> 
> Eric Caron 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Eric Caron wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jennifer, 
>> 
>>  I did two podcasts on how to use the Reminders App from a VoiceOver 
>> perspective.  You can find them at applevis.com.  My purpose in doing the 
>> podcasts was to show a person just like you how to use the app and what the 
>> features were.  I hope you will try them out.  
>> 
>> Eric Caron  
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>> 
>>> Could you kind of give me an idea of how to use it better.  
>>> 
>>> I try to change the dates of the reminders but that seems like a big hassle 
>>> and I sure could use some help.
>>> 
>>> Also, I think you were the one that was trying to teach me about the 
>>> message headers.  I am using the command O to open messages now and if you 
>>> could be so kind, I could use a baby step tutorial on how to reply to a 
>>> specific sender and not the list again.  I know you tried before but could 
>>> you give me another chance?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your patience and if you don't want to go through it again I 
>>> totally understand.  
>>> 
>>> Also, could you tell me if my signature is being sent in this message.
>>> 
>>> If not could you tell me how to get it started too?
>>> 
>>> Thanks again.
>>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>>> 
 The reminder app is more for "to-do" sorts of tasks. The calendar is more 
 for specific events at specific dates and times. There's kind of a 
 crossover, as I use one or the other sometimes, depending on the task or 
 event.
 
 Teresa
 
 "Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga
 
 On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
 
> I just updated my 3gs to IOS 5.1 and found the reminder app on the phone. 
>  What is the difference between that and the calendar and what is the 
> easiest way to use that app as I found it difficult to use.
> 
> Thanks for all your help.
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> I use to have a braille connect 12 but it was hard on my hands. I heard 
>> about your recent set up as a friend of yours and mine told me!
>> 
>> On 1 Apr 2012, at 01:56 AM, Thuy Mallalieu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kawal. I also have a Eurobraille Esys but with 12 cells. It's  
>>> really good, but mine has been a bit unreliable and I've had to send it 
>>> back 3 times for updating firmware and repairs.
>>> Also the note-taking functions are very basic and the diary crashes 
>>> every so often, so I have to keep resetting it. My favorite setup at 
>>> the moment is the I-phone with a Braille connect 12 and Rites Keyboard 
>>> stuck over the top of the connect 12 with velcro. It's a really compact 
>>> setup with qwerty input and braille output. The other good thing about 
>>> the Braille connect is that it has a standby mode and wakes up whenever 
>>> the iPhone comes on so you can see the caller id even when the speech 
>>> is turned off. They used to do a 24 cell version of the Braille connect 
>>> too, but Human-ware never sold any in this country (UK), which is a 
>>> real shame in my opinion.
>>> Cheers
>>> Thuy
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 31 Mar 2012, at 21:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Thuy.
 
 I know what the product is now and have cancelled the order. I already 
 have a Euro braille 40 and may be one day I want a 24 cell (in my 
 dreams)!
 
 Thanks for replying.
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 31 Mar 2012, at 02:27 PM, Thuy Mallalieu  
 wrote:
 
> Hi  Kawal. Isn't this Braille input only? I have the Braille pen 12, 
> which has the display and Braille keyboard, but that's just under 1K. 
> It has really nice Braille dots and good keyboard, but no cursor 
> routing, which makes it a bit of a pain editing texts  and activating 
> apps. Also, the command to wake it up is space with K, which 
> overrides  the keyboard help command. Hope this helps?
> Cheers
> Thuy
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 30 Mar 2012, at 16:14, Kawal Gucuk

RE: Eloquent

Hello CJ and thank you for replying.

I will be happy to purchase the N I V if, in fact, it is available.  

Would you be so kind as to make an inquiry on my behalf?  

I eagerly await your reply.

Mark 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CJ Daniel
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 1:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Eloquent

Mark,

Unfortunately, the NIV is not one of the free downloads.  There are many
versions, so I haven't asked the Eloquent community about versions that must
be purchased.

Hope this helps,

CJ


On Apr 2, 2012, at 12:36 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I just finished reading through this thread.
> 
> If I may:
> 
> Can one download the NIV using this program?  While I'm almost 
> positive the answer is yes, I do not see where this is stated in the
thread.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CJ Daniel
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Eloquent
> 
> Walter,
> 
> You might try closing out Voice Over & relaunching it.  If that 
> doesn't work, then ditto for Safari.  Lastly, if none of the above 
> fix's the problem, then bookmark the page & reboot your system.  I 
> don't know why, but sometimes things just go haywire & you've got to start
from zero.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> CJ
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Walter Harper wrote:
> 
>> I am having trouble with downloading it.
>> I am not sure what is going wrong  I am clicking on the name of the 
>> zip
> file and nothing is happening.
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:26 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
>> 
>>> Walter,
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure off the top of my head.  But, if you google Eloquent 
>>> Bible
> software you'll find it pretty quick.
>>> 
>>> Good luck,
>>> 
>>> CJ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Walter Harper wrote:
>>> 
 Where can I download this software from?
 Walter
 On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:09 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
 
> Sarai,
> 
> Follow the following steps.
> 
> 1.  Press Command-Shift-M for the Module Manager.
> 2.  Interact with the first or left most table.
> 3.  Select which source you wish to search for new modules.
> 4.  Press Control-F5 to jump directly to the tool bar.
> 5.  VO-Right Arrow to the Refresh Button.
> 6.  When Eloquent is through processing your request, VO-Shift Up 
> Arrow
> to leave the tool bar.
> 7.  Return to the source table & interact with it.
> 8.  Return to your previously selected source & VO-\ to open it.
> 9.  Select which findings you wish to browse.  I.E. Bible Texts,
> Commentaries, dictionaries, or General Writings.
> 10. After making your selection, leave the table & move right with
> VO-Right Arrow to the right most table.
> 11. Interact with it & move up & down with VO-Up & Down Arrows.
> 12. When you find a module you wish to add, select the Tasks Pop 
> Up
> Button & select Install.
> 13. When you're done making your choices for installation, jump to 
> the
> Tool Bar with Control-F5 & select the Process Tasks Button @ the right 
> end of the Tool Bar.
> 
> That should do it.  Funny, I just did this myself this morning 
> before
> responding to your email.  Good luck & don't hesitate to write if you 
> encounter any problems.
> 
> God bless,
> 
> CJ
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> How do you find other versions of the Bible to download? Elequent
> comes with the KJV only.
>> 
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No Carbonite on the Mac

2012-04-02 Thread agent086b


Hi all,
recently I asked if Carbonite online backup could be used on the Mac 
with no reply.
I wrote to Carbonite and asked the question if Carbonite worked with 
VoiceOver. I have received a reply from the company. They say that 
Carbonite will not work with the Mac Screen reader.
I have asked them to let me know if and when it will. As Carbonite is a 
wonderful backup service that many of you could benefit from, you might 
like to write to supp...@carbonite.com and ask that they make it 
accessible with VoiceOver. They already have a Mac version of the 
program, it is just that will not work with VO.


Does anybody use an online backup service that works with VO?
Still finding as many answers before the switch to the iMac.
Max.

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A Question Regarding OCR

Hello Everyone,

In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.

To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook and
the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
acquisition experience.

I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows one
to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.  

I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.

I could go on and on but ...

I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.

I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
scanner away for good.


Mark

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RE: A Question Regarding OCR

2012-04-02 Thread Scott Erichsen

Hi Mark,

The Pearl will only work with OpenBOok 9.0 and will only work under windows.

The two options that work with the Mac are the hoverCam with DocuScan Plus
from Serotek and the EyePal.

Personally I like the Pearl and OpenBOok as the accuracy is fantastic from
everything I've scanned.

Cheers.

Scott

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question Regarding OCR

Hello Everyone,

In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.

To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook and
the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
acquisition experience.

I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows one
to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.  

I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.

I could go on and on but ...

I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.

I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
scanner away for good.


Mark

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Location reminders working for you? was: Re: What is the difference between the reminder and the calendar on the new update on the IOS 5.1

2012-04-02 Thread Ioana Gandrabur

Hi all,

I set a location reminder when I arrive at my work address is about 2 myles 
away from home and every once in a blue oon it starts at home I am not sure but 
maybe when I turn off or on the wii. GOt fed up and remove that reminder.

Are you happy with it?

Thanks,

Ioana

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.

On Apr 2, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> One nice feature of Reminders that people aren't always familiar with is the 
> geofence trigger. You can not only set a reminder to ping you on a certain 
> date or time but you can also trigger it when you leave a location or arrive 
> at a location. I was in a brainstorming session for a new accessible iPhone 
> GPS app with a company and a couple people were asking for this until I piped 
> up and pointed out that it already existed.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 4/1/12 6:32 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>> Could you kind of give me an idea of how to use it better.
>> 
>> I try to change the dates of the reminders but that seems like a big hassle 
>> and I sure could use some help.
>> 
>> Also, I think you were the one that was trying to teach me about the message 
>> headers.  I am using the command O to open messages now and if you could be 
>> so kind, I could use a baby step tutorial on how to reply to a specific 
>> sender and not the list again.  I know you tried before but could you give 
>> me another chance?
>> 
>> Thanks for your patience and if you don't want to go through it again I 
>> totally understand.
>> 
>> Also, could you tell me if my signature is being sent in this message.
>> 
>> If not could you tell me how to get it started too?
>> 
>> Thanks again.
>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> The reminder app is more for "to-do" sorts of tasks. The calendar is more 
>>> for specific events at specific dates and times. There's kind of a 
>>> crossover, as I use one or the other sometimes, depending on the task or 
>>> event.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "Nobody ever tells me anything!"--James Forsyte, quoted in the Forsyte Saga
>>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>> 
 I just updated my 3gs to IOS 5.1 and found the reminder app on the phone.  
 What is the difference between that and the calendar and what is the 
 easiest way to use that app as I found it difficult to use.
 
 Thanks for all your help.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> I use to have a braille connect 12 but it was hard on my hands. I heard 
> about your recent set up as a friend of yours and mine told me!
> 
> On 1 Apr 2012, at 01:56 AM, Thuy Mallalieu  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal. I also have a Eurobraille Esys but with 12 cells. It's  really 
>> good, but mine has been a bit unreliable and I've had to send it back 3 
>> times for updating firmware and repairs.
>> Also the note-taking functions are very basic and the diary crashes 
>> every so often, so I have to keep resetting it. My favorite setup at the 
>> moment is the I-phone with a Braille connect 12 and Rites Keyboard stuck 
>> over the top of the connect 12 with velcro. It's a really compact setup 
>> with qwerty input and braille output. The other good thing about the 
>> Braille connect is that it has a standby mode and wakes up whenever the 
>> iPhone comes on so you can see the caller id even when the speech is 
>> turned off. They used to do a 24 cell version of the Braille connect 
>> too, but Human-ware never sold any in this country (UK), which is a real 
>> shame in my opinion.
>> Cheers
>> Thuy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 31 Mar 2012, at 21:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Thuy.
>>> 
>>> I know what the product is now and have cancelled the order. I already 
>>> have a Euro braille 40 and may be one day I want a 24 cell (in my 
>>> dreams)!
>>> 
>>> Thanks for replying.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 31 Mar 2012, at 02:27 PM, Thuy Mallalieu  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi  Kawal. Isn't this Braille input only? I have the Braille pen 12, 
 which has the display and Braille keyboard, but that's just under 1K. 
 It has really nice Braille dots and good keyboard, but no cursor 
 routing, which makes it a bit of a pain editing texts  and activating 
 apps. Also, the command to wake it up is space with K, which overrides 
  the keyboard help command. Hope this helps?
 Cheers
 Thuy
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 30 Mar 2012, at 16:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
> Hello.
> 
> I have just purchased the Slim Braille Pen, priced at £295 the 
> cheapest refreshable braille I have seen so far although I do have a 
> Euro braille 40 which I

Re: No Carbonite on the Mac

2012-04-02 Thread Mike Arrigo

I've actually heard that it does work, I think there is a trial, so you might 
download it and see how it works.
On Apr 2, 2012, at 5:20 PM, agent086b wrote:

> Hi all,
> recently I asked if Carbonite online backup could be used on the Mac with no 
> reply.
> I wrote to Carbonite and asked the question if Carbonite worked with 
> VoiceOver. I have received a reply from the company. They say that Carbonite 
> will not work with the Mac Screen reader.
> I have asked them to let me know if and when it will. As Carbonite is a 
> wonderful backup service that many of you could benefit from, you might like 
> to write to supp...@carbonite.com and ask that they make it accessible with 
> VoiceOver. They already have a Mac version of the program, it is just that 
> will not work with VO.
> 
> Does anybody use an online backup service that works with VO?
> Still finding as many answers before the switch to the iMac.
> Max.
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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

Congratulations on getting the Pearl, but I would suggest to you that you 
not do away with your scanner completely.  You will find times when a thick 
book or so;mething that you cannot keep flat without applying pressure is 
going to do better on a scanner.  The Pearl has a fixed focus, meaning that 
if the document or book is to o thick it will be somewhat out of focus, and 
thus you will not get a good picture for recognition.  Your choices then are 
to find something about the same thickness to place the camera on in order 
to get the text back in focus or place the document on a flatbed scanner to 
scan the document.


The Hovercam with the DocuScan Plus works very nicely on the Mac once you 
get familiar with how to adjust the camera to just the right height to get 
the best picture. DocuScan Plus may not do everything that OpenBook does, 
but it does a lot and has many great features for $299, and once you 
purchase it you can use it both for Windows and Apple.




- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Erichsen" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: A Question Regarding OCR



Hi Mark,

The Pearl will only work with OpenBOok 9.0 and will only work under 
windows.


The two options that work with the Mac are the hoverCam with DocuScan Plus
from Serotek and the EyePal.

Personally I like the Pearl and OpenBOok as the accuracy is fantastic from
everything I've scanned.

Cheers.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question Regarding OCR

Hello Everyone,

In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.

To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook 
and

the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
acquisition experience.

I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows 
one

to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.

I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.

I could go on and on but ...

I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.

I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
scanner away for good.


Mark

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Re: Eloquent

Mark,

Unfortunately, the NIV doesn't seem to be available.  Eloquent is powered by 
the Sword Project.  The Sword Project is a cross platform that is provided by 
cross wired.org for various non-profit Christian ministries to afford them the 
capability to share God's word & study it on a free basis.  Hence, while the 
versions available are extensive, some of the publishers of the more modern 
versions are not willing to make them available for this application.

Anyway, it's a great study tool & I just keep the Blue Letter Bible open in 
Safari for times when I need the NIV, NLT SE, NKJV, or The Message.  I do enjoy 
the NLT & miss having it on my system, but I'm not willing to pay the out 
rageous prices for some of the other available software. 

Hope this helps,

CJ


On Apr 2, 2012, at 3:16 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello CJ and thank you for replying.
> 
> I will be happy to purchase the N I V if, in fact, it is available.  
> 
> Would you be so kind as to make an inquiry on my behalf?  
> 
> I eagerly await your reply.
> 
> Mark 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CJ Daniel
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 1:27 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Eloquent
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Unfortunately, the NIV is not one of the free downloads.  There are many
> versions, so I haven't asked the Eloquent community about versions that must
> be purchased.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> CJ
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 12:36 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I just finished reading through this thread.
>> 
>> If I may:
>> 
>> Can one download the NIV using this program?  While I'm almost 
>> positive the answer is yes, I do not see where this is stated in the
> thread.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CJ Daniel
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:17 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Eloquent
>> 
>> Walter,
>> 
>> You might try closing out Voice Over & relaunching it.  If that 
>> doesn't work, then ditto for Safari.  Lastly, if none of the above 
>> fix's the problem, then bookmark the page & reboot your system.  I 
>> don't know why, but sometimes things just go haywire & you've got to start
> from zero.
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> 
>> CJ
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Walter Harper wrote:
>> 
>>> I am having trouble with downloading it.
>>> I am not sure what is going wrong  I am clicking on the name of the 
>>> zip
>> file and nothing is happening.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:26 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
>>> 
 Walter,
 
 I'm not sure off the top of my head.  But, if you google Eloquent 
 Bible
>> software you'll find it pretty quick.
 
 Good luck,
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Walter Harper wrote:
 
> Where can I download this software from?
> Walter
> On Apr 2, 2012, at 1:09 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
> 
>> Sarai,
>> 
>> Follow the following steps.
>> 
>> 1.  Press Command-Shift-M for the Module Manager.
>> 2.  Interact with the first or left most table.
>> 3.  Select which source you wish to search for new modules.
>> 4.  Press Control-F5 to jump directly to the tool bar.
>> 5.  VO-Right Arrow to the Refresh Button.
>> 6.  When Eloquent is through processing your request, VO-Shift Up 
>> Arrow
>> to leave the tool bar.
>> 7.  Return to the source table & interact with it.
>> 8.  Return to your previously selected source & VO-\ to open it.
>> 9.  Select which findings you wish to browse.  I.E. Bible Texts,
>> Commentaries, dictionaries, or General Writings.
>> 10. After making your selection, leave the table & move right with
>> VO-Right Arrow to the right most table.
>> 11. Interact with it & move up & down with VO-Up & Down Arrows.
>> 12. When you find a module you wish to add, select the Tasks Pop 
>> Up
>> Button & select Install.
>> 13. When you're done making your choices for installation, jump to 
>> the
>> Tool Bar with Control-F5 & select the Process Tasks Button @ the right 
>> end of the Tool Bar.
>> 
>> That should do it.  Funny, I just did this myself this morning 
>> before
>> responding to your email.  Good luck & don't hesitate to write if you 
>> encounter any problems.
>> 
>> God bless,
>> 
>> CJ
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> How do you find other versions of the Bible to download? Elequent
>> comes with the KJV only.
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Re: Amadeus or GarageBand

2012-04-02 Thread Ed Worrell

You can use the included voices in garageband, and then switch them to see what 
they would sound like as a different instrument. You also can copy midi tracks 
into Garageband an play around with the different voices to change the effects. 
I don't think it records in midi format though.
hth
Ed

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Re: No Carbonite on the Mac

2012-04-02 Thread agent086b


Well, I don't have a Mac yet. I am only going on what there support told me.
It would really be great if one of you had the time to download the 
trial and let us know.

Thanks,
Max.

 Original Message  
Subject: Re: No Carbonite on the Mac
From: Mike Arrigo 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:23:38 -0500

I've actually heard that it does work, I think there is a trial, so you might 
download it and see how it works.
On Apr 2, 2012, at 5:20 PM, agent086b wrote:


Hi all,
recently I asked if Carbonite online backup could be used on the Mac with no 
reply.
I wrote to Carbonite and asked the question if Carbonite worked with VoiceOver. 
I have received a reply from the company. They say that Carbonite will not work 
with the Mac Screen reader.
I have asked them to let me know if and when it will. As Carbonite is a 
wonderful backup service that many of you could benefit from, you might like to 
write to supp...@carbonite.com and ask that they make it accessible with 
VoiceOver. They already have a Mac version of the program, it is just that will 
not work with VO.

Does anybody use an online backup service that works with VO?
Still finding as many answers before the switch to the iMac.
Max.

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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

2012-04-02 Thread Brent Harding

Any hope for those of us Kurzweil users? I could live with my old Epson 
Perfection scanner, but the new HP all in one takes forever. It's true that 
it's quieter by a lot, but it's probably 30 to 45 seconds on the scanning 
phase. I hate the mail now more than I ever did, but I don't have the space 
nor USB ports for both devices on the desk. If I ever went back to college, 
I'd seriously look into a sighted person over what I have now.


- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:30 PM
Subject: A Question Regarding OCR



Hello Everyone,

In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.

To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook 
and

the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
acquisition experience.

I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows 
one

to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.

I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.

I could go on and on but ...

I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.

I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
scanner away for good.


Mark

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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

It is alive and well...  Do you have version 12 patch 4?  That is the latest 
release and there is some support for at least one digital camera in that 
patch upgrade.


As far as Kurzweil 1000 on the Mac; the news isn't good.  There is 
Kurzweil3000 for the Mac, but the folks at Cambian Learning don't think they 
can make enough profit on us blind folks so they say they will not release a 
version for Apple because if every blind person baught a copy of 
Kurzweil1000 for Mac they still couldn't make enough profit to make it worth 
it for them to do that.


- Original Message - 
From: "Brent Harding" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR


Any hope for those of us Kurzweil users? I could live with my old Epson 
Perfection scanner, but the new HP all in one takes forever. It's true 
that it's quieter by a lot, but it's probably 30 to 45 seconds on the 
scanning phase. I hate the mail now more than I ever did, but I don't have 
the space nor USB ports for both devices on the desk. If I ever went back 
to college, I'd seriously look into a sighted person over what I have now.


- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:30 PM
Subject: A Question Regarding OCR



Hello Everyone,

In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.

To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook 
and

the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
acquisition experience.

I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows 
one

to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.

I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.

I could go on and on but ...

I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am 
wondering

if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.

I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
scanner away for good.


Mark

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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

2012-04-02 Thread Jim Gatteys

Hi all!
Has anybody used Abby fine reader express for the mac?  I just downloaded a 
trial version and it was much better than a few years ago.  It worked with my 
old epson perfection scanner and I was able to scan and edit a document.  I 
guess it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of kurzweil but for basic 
stuff it seemed fine.  I am seriously considering a purchase of fine reader.
Jim

On Apr 2, 2012, at 8:21 PM, David Tanner wrote:

> It is alive and well...  Do you have version 12 patch 4?  That is the latest 
> release and there is some support for at least one digital camera in that 
> patch upgrade.
> 
> As far as Kurzweil 1000 on the Mac; the news isn't good.  There is 
> Kurzweil3000 for the Mac, but the folks at Cambian Learning don't think they 
> can make enough profit on us blind folks so they say they will not release a 
> version for Apple because if every blind person baught a copy of Kurzweil1000 
> for Mac they still couldn't make enough profit to make it worth it for them 
> to do that.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Brent Harding" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:04 PM
> Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR
> 
> 
>> Any hope for those of us Kurzweil users? I could live with my old Epson 
>> Perfection scanner, but the new HP all in one takes forever. It's true that 
>> it's quieter by a lot, but it's probably 30 to 45 seconds on the scanning 
>> phase. I hate the mail now more than I ever did, but I don't have the space 
>> nor USB ports for both devices on the desk. If I ever went back to college, 
>> I'd seriously look into a sighted person over what I have now.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:30 PM
>> Subject: A Question Regarding OCR
>> 
>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
>>> Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.
>>> 
>>> To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook and
>>> the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
>>> acquisition experience.
>>> 
>>> I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows one
>>> to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
>>> automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.
>>> 
>>> I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.
>>> 
>>> I could go on and on but ...
>>> 
>>> I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am wondering
>>> if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.
>>> 
>>> I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
>>> scanner away for good.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

2012-04-02 Thread Brent Harding

No, I haven't upgraded in many years, didn't think the accuracy of OCR 
really improved all that much necessarily, only used it for scanning mail 
once in awhile, but all in one printers sure scan slower than any scanner 
I've used before. I wish I knew where I put the big box that probably had 
version 6 in it, but if it's like Jaws or anything else I'll end up with a 
new disk when I purchase the upgrade. I hope those are still reasonable yet.


- Original Message - 
From: "David Tanner" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR


It is alive and well...  Do you have version 12 patch 4?  That is the 
latest release and there is some support for at least one digital camera 
in that patch upgrade.


As far as Kurzweil 1000 on the Mac; the news isn't good.  There is 
Kurzweil3000 for the Mac, but the folks at Cambian Learning don't think 
they can make enough profit on us blind folks so they say they will not 
release a version for Apple because if every blind person baught a copy of 
Kurzweil1000 for Mac they still couldn't make enough profit to make it 
worth it for them to do that.


- Original Message - 
From: "Brent Harding" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR


Any hope for those of us Kurzweil users? I could live with my old Epson 
Perfection scanner, but the new HP all in one takes forever. It's true 
that it's quieter by a lot, but it's probably 30 to 45 seconds on the 
scanning phase. I hate the mail now more than I ever did, but I don't 
have the space nor USB ports for both devices on the desk. If I ever went 
back to college, I'd seriously look into a sighted person over what I 
have now.


- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:30 PM
Subject: A Question Regarding OCR



Hello Everyone,

In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also obtained
Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.

To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both OpenBook 
and

the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
acquisition experience.

I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows 
one

to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.

I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.

I could go on and on but ...

I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am 
wondering

if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.

I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
scanner away for good.


Mark

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Re: A Question Regarding OCR

Well, Kurzweil upgrades are quite reasonable.  Regardless of what version of 
the software you have the upgrade price is $125.  So, if you are at version 
6 you can go all the way to version 12 for $125 and if there is a new 
version within a year I believe that you get it for free, but don't take 
that for absolute fact .  I am not a Kurzweil dealor and I may be wrong on 
the free upgrade to the next version if it comes out within less than a 
year.  But I do know the upgrade price is $125.




- Original Message - 
From: "Brent Harding" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR


No, I haven't upgraded in many years, didn't think the accuracy of OCR 
really improved all that much necessarily, only used it for scanning mail 
once in awhile, but all in one printers sure scan slower than any scanner 
I've used before. I wish I knew where I put the big box that probably had 
version 6 in it, but if it's like Jaws or anything else I'll end up with a 
new disk when I purchase the upgrade. I hope those are still reasonable 
yet.


- Original Message - 
From: "David Tanner" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR


It is alive and well...  Do you have version 12 patch 4?  That is the 
latest release and there is some support for at least one digital camera 
in that patch upgrade.


As far as Kurzweil 1000 on the Mac; the news isn't good.  There is 
Kurzweil3000 for the Mac, but the folks at Cambian Learning don't think 
they can make enough profit on us blind folks so they say they will not 
release a version for Apple because if every blind person baught a copy 
of Kurzweil1000 for Mac they still couldn't make enough profit to make it 
worth it for them to do that.


- Original Message - 
From: "Brent Harding" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: A Question Regarding OCR


Any hope for those of us Kurzweil users? I could live with my old Epson 
Perfection scanner, but the new HP all in one takes forever. It's true 
that it's quieter by a lot, but it's probably 30 to 45 seconds on the 
scanning phase. I hate the mail now more than I ever did, but I don't 
have the space nor USB ports for both devices on the desk. If I ever 
went back to college, I'd seriously look into a sighted person over what 
I have now.


- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:30 PM
Subject: A Question Regarding OCR



Hello Everyone,

In addition to being the proud owner of a Focus 40 Blue, I also 
obtained

Freedom Scientific's Pearl camera along with OpenBook 9.0.

To put it simply, I am stunned with the OCR performance in both 
OpenBook and

the accuracy of the camera along with the dazzling speed of the image
acquisition experience.

I think what blows my mind the most is the motion detection that allows 
one

to turn pages and when the new page is in view of the camera, it
automatically takes a photo and begins the OCR process.

I swear it feels as though I have a sighted person reading for me.

I could go on and on but ...

I realize that the pearl has been out for quite some time and am 
wondering

if anyone knows if it will work with anything on the Mac.

I know one thing for sure, with the Pearl in my toolbox, I have put my
scanner away for good.


Mark

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