date:20120221

Hi,
since yesterday, i have sound studio for audio editing on my mac.
I can play a track, set markers, but then i fail.
I wanna play the selection and set, if needed, the markers more precisely.
Can anyone help me out here?
Thx,
Ewoud

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possible web based malware found

2012-02-21 Thread Eric Oyen

anyone here of mackeeper.com? I just had a popup appear from them (while 
browsing another site) and it won't let me close its window (claims its an 
application). it also prevents me from closing any other independent windows 
that safari has open. I may need to find a malware scanner (similar to the 
windows application spybot search and destroy) and run it here. I am also 
considering getting a different anti-virus program. it appears that the sophos 
package isn't voiceover friendly. so, what use is an A/V client if I can't even 
access the controls to do even a scan? I ran into this problem after trying to 
do something other than an automatic scan. I was also unable to access it the 
system bar icon (it appears invisible to voiceover). I had this confirmed with 
a sighted assistant who noted that the icon was further to the left of the 
applescripts icon and was unreachable with any of the keyboard commands. 

I finally had to resort to the force quit dialog just to get Safari to quit. 
so? my question is this: is there an app that can scan an OS X based machine 
like some of the apps for windows (apps like MalwareBytes antiMalware, Spybot 
Search and Destroy,  and Ad Aware). if anyone knows of such an application that 
is voiceover friendly, I would certainly appreciate hearing from you.

-eric

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what twitter client do you use on the mac

Hi all,
i used to twitter in windows. therefore i had quitter. For me  that worked fine.
Now on my mac i have a japanese twitter program: yofukuru.
I wonder what you use to twitter.
Is your program accessible?
Curious greets,
Ewoud 

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Re: Is there an alternative to Winscp for the mac that is accessible

2012-02-21 Thread Dean Adams

Hi CB,
Thanks for the tip to get the info from a man page is it like linux by 
putting a question mark after the man command in terminal I have searched the 
net for examples and have found most things like ping and netstat and so on 
will search for termanil commands . Again many thanks.



On 21/02/2012, at 4:11 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> If you bring up terminal I think you will find everything you need there. 
> Just use the "man" command to get more info on all the unix commands 
> including ssh, sftp, scp, rsync etc.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 2/20/12 8:19 AM, Dean Adams wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>>  I have found most apps that I need for my tasks on the new macbook pro but 
>> the only thing I am missing is an alternative to a windows program called 
>> Win scp so I can ssh into several servers I have to upload files to on a 
>> regular basis . I am trying not to touch my windows laptop when I hope there 
>> is an accessible ssh client for the mac . Any help finding an alternative 
>> would be much appreciated. 
>> 
>> Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
>> breezepa...@gmail.com
>> phone: 0243206031
>> Mobile: 0428133758
>> Skype : deanadams9
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Re: help with Growl

OK, I'm still a little confused, do you mean open growl with command O and then 
use command , to get to the preferences.  If so, that's what I've been doing 
and it still gets me nowhere cause it says that growl is running in the 
background.  Am I doing something wrong.  Probably.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

> Hey Jennifer and others. I just remembered that someone was having troubles 
> with Growl and that someone said that the preferences for it were in System 
> Preferences. If you have the latest version of growl, the preferences for it 
> are not in system prefs. To access Growl's preferences, go to your apps 
> folder in finder and open Growl as if you were going to launch it. There you 
> will find the preferences. HTH.
> 
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Re: new version of motion gps drive

Thanks a lot for your information.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:27 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> There is a screen that will tell you the address you are closest to, but it 
> will not announce up coming streets or places you pass, for that, the best 
> app is sendero look around I think. Motion will give you driving or walking 
> instructions very similar to what navigon offers, I think motion's interface 
> is a bit easier to use, especially now that everything is well labeled.
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the information.  It's proper total is motion GPS correct?  Does 
>> it have the capability of telling you where you are or is it just something 
>> you can just type in an address and have it give you turn by turn directions 
>> only?
>> 
>> I'm moving to a new neighborhood and would like to be able to know what 
>> streets I'm crossing and stuff.
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guideBrooks
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 9:33 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>>> It's much easier to enter addresses on the motion app, just type it, no 
>>> need to use 2 or 3 different screens to do this, also I think motion is a 
>>> bit faster.
>>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:04 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Mike,
 
 Can you tell me what Motion does that navigon doesn't?  I have never used 
 either one but I have Navigon on my phone.  What makes Motion worth the 
 upgrade.  I'm moving to another neighborhood in a few weeks and I would 
 love to have a GPS app that would prove helpful.  Could you give me the 
 play by play lowdown please?
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 On Feb 19, 2012, at 12:39 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 
> There is no way to get older versions, the current version of navigon 
> worked fine for me, used it earlier today on a short root, I still like 
> motion gps better because entering addresses is much easier.
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Mike Busboom wrote:
> 
>> Hello Anne,
>> 
>> Thanks for responding.  I downloaded Ariadne this morning, but I have 
>> been told that the most recent version of Navigon is no longer 
>> accessible.  If this is true, do you know if it is possible to download 
>> older iterations of a program from the iStore?  If ordering older 
>> versions works, which version should I grab?
>> 
>> Thanks for all the times you have assisted me!
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> On 18,Feb,2012, at 5:07 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Mike,
>>> 
>>> This app does not work in Europe. I like the combination of Navigon and 
>>> Ariadne GPS. You might also find MyWay Classic useful for marking out 
>>> routes that are off the beaten track.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18 Feb 2012, at 16:50, Michael Busboom wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Mike,
 
 Do you know if this App works at all in Europe?  Since I still am an 
 expatriate American and get to the States occasionally, I'll probably 
 buy it, but knowing that it worked in Europe as well would make it 
 even more interesting.
 
 Kindest regards,
 
 Mike
 P.S. Your podcasts on the Mac did much to inspire me to buy my first 
 MacBook, and I don't regret that decision one little bit.  Thank you.
 On 18,Feb,2012, at 4:46 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 
> Hey everyone, motion gps has just released version 13 for the iphone, 
> if you live in the United States or Canada, it's well worth checking 
> out. They have fixed the unlabeled buttons and provided very good 
> accessibility for voiceover users. I think this app is now by far the 
> best one for blind users, navigon was the best choice for a while but 
> I think it has lost the top spot, especially in the newest versions.
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Re: help with Growl

I have tried restarting the computer but it still says that growl is running in 
the background when I open it.  I'm really not sure what to do at this point, 
because if it is running in the background it will not allow me to pull up any 
preferences for it at all.

Should I try and delete it and reinstall it?  How do I do that though since it 
is an app?

Jenny and my goofy guideBrooks
On Feb 19, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Gigi wrote:

> R hi Jennifer
> I ended up having to restart my computer. I guess I really should say that I 
> shut it down taking out all the windows. When I started my computer back up, 
> growl brought up the preferences when I call up the program. You might try 
> that and see if that helps. It did help mine. I still haven't completely got 
> growled away I want it, but it's better than it was.
> Regards
> GG
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Jennifer Perdue  wrote:
> 
>> When I try to use the arrows with VO to navigate the preference pains and 
>> then click on other it doesn't click on the correct thing even though I 
>> interact with it.  I am not sure what I'm doing wrong.  I checked out 
>> universal access and that didn't seem to get me what I needed either.  
>> Should I uninstall Growl at this point?  If so, how do I reinstall it since 
>> it is an app?  I'm really confused as to why it won't let me get into its 
>> own preferences.  I just says it's funning in the background and won't let 
>> me get to its preferences at all no matter which methods I use.
>> 
>> Thanks for your help again.
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:56 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Jennifer!
>>> Well hope this is useful!
>>> Open the main menu with either vo+m or control+f2 then when sitting on the 
>>> Apple menu scroll down to system pref's and vo+space or return!
>>> In the next window you will have to just arrow once to the preference pain 
>>> and interact with it!
>>> And in there is lots of selections for you to go into if needed!
>>> I.E. keyboard, accounts, Bluetooth and others!
>>> usually the last one is universal access but Growl should be after this 
>>> under the heading of [others] and it should say growl button!
>>> vo+space on that and you should get into growl to see what you can do!
>>> If you have not had much use of system pref's there is things you might 
>>> want to look at in there!
>>> And do not forget the only dumb question is one that is not asked! :]
>>> People will try to help if they can!
>>> Colin
>>> 
>>> On 19 Feb 2012, at 12:31, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>> 
 Universal access, I'm sorry but I'm not sure exactly what that is?  Could 
 you explain what that is and how to get to it please.  All I know is that 
 when I am sitting on growl and I use command , it goes straight to the OS 
 10 preferences and if I use the VO m command for the apple menu to go to 
 preferences it jumps to another apple menu entirely.
 
 thanks for your help.
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VO with Zooms

2012-02-21 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav

Dear All,

I have a friend who is running SL on a MAcBook Air, he is trying to use both 
Voice Over and Zooms at the same time, primarily using Zooms, with Voice Over 
for support.

We are having trouble configuring Voice Over so that it does not impact Zooms 
functionality and performance… but, appear to be failing, is there anyone on 
list who has experience in using Zooms principally with Voice Over as a reading 
aid along side Zooms?

if so, would you kindly either give me some pointers, or, better still, can we 
make contact using Skype or other?

thanks.

Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

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On 17 Feb 2012, at 04:31, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi guys.
> Maybe somebody covered this already, and so maybe I missed something 
> somewhere. I watched the video on the Apple website concerning Mountain Lion. 
> Since VoiceOver is so far not mentioned in these things ever, how do we know 
> what's changed for it? It looks like that the Notification Center is going to 
> be wonderful for us, especially if it works like it does on the iPhone. 
> When I first got my Mac and knew practically nothing, I asked 
> accessibil...@apple.com how I was going to know about VoiceOver changes. The 
> answer I got back was that I could read articles on it and that they would be 
> published with everything else. I am not finding this to be the case. So, how 
> do we find out or do we just wait and see? 
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
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Re: Growl (again:-)

Good to know it's not just me!  Sorry you're having problems with it too.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Feb 20, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Jean-Claude Provost wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I read all the message about folks having problem with Growl (Lastly 
> Jenny's), &, although the explanations I've read seemed all clear, I can't 
> get this to work.  I installed (& upgraded to 1.3.3.
> 
> When starting Growl, I can't add applications to it.  When selecting 
> "applications" from the toolbar, I only see an empty table & when I try 
> typing an application (such as mail) in the search text field, pressing 
> return changes nothing.  I still have that empty table.
> 
> I went in system preference & in mail preference & I only see the usual in 
> both places.  No growl-related stuff to be found…  I must be missing 
> something… Obviously.
> 
> So Jen, fear not! you're not alone:-)
> 
> Cheers y'all & thanks in advance for your musings.
> 
> 
> Jean-Claude Provost
> jc.prov...@dansmacave.com
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Growl (again:-)

All I know is I'm running the latest Lion.  As for the 32 or 64 bit thing, I 
haven't the slightest.  Any suggestions or does it really matter that much?

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Feb 20, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Jean-Claude Provost wrote:

> Actually, I forgot to mention: I'm running Lion with the latest Apple-pushed 
> update.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jean-Claude Provost
> jc.prov...@dansmacave.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 2012-02-20, at 12:39 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
> 
>> When I start Growl prefs from the System Prefs here, it opens the 32 bit 
>> version of Prefs.  I'm running Snow Leopard, not Lion, but I'm wondering if 
>> Jen and others who are having growl issues don't have that 32-bit preference 
>> pane anymore now that everything's 64-bit?  I thought the latest Growl was 
>> supposed to fix that.
>> 
>> 
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Re: new version of motion gps drive

2012-02-21 Thread Les Kriegler

I would recommend Mike Arrigo's podcast on this app.  I was having difficulty 
in activating menu selections and his suggestion on tapping the middle of the 
screen before activating options was very useful.  Thanks Mike.  I think I can 
use this app now.

Les
On Feb 21, 2012, at 6:04 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

> Thanks a lot for your information.
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:27 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> There is a screen that will tell you the address you are closest to, but it 
>> will not announce up coming streets or places you pass, for that, the best 
>> app is sendero look around I think. Motion will give you driving or walking 
>> instructions very similar to what navigon offers, I think motion's interface 
>> is a bit easier to use, especially now that everything is well labeled.
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the information.  It's proper total is motion GPS correct?  Does 
>>> it have the capability of telling you where you are or is it just something 
>>> you can just type in an address and have it give you turn by turn 
>>> directions only?
>>> 
>>> I'm moving to a new neighborhood and would like to be able to know what 
>>> streets I'm crossing and stuff.
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> 
>>> Jenny and my goofy guideBrooks
>>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 9:33 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> 
 It's much easier to enter addresses on the motion app, just type it, no 
 need to use 2 or 3 different screens to do this, also I think motion is a 
 bit faster.
 On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:04 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> Can you tell me what Motion does that navigon doesn't?  I have never used 
> either one but I have Navigon on my phone.  What makes Motion worth the 
> upgrade.  I'm moving to another neighborhood in a few weeks and I would 
> love to have a GPS app that would prove helpful.  Could you give me the 
> play by play lowdown please?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 12:39 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> There is no way to get older versions, the current version of navigon 
>> worked fine for me, used it earlier today on a short root, I still like 
>> motion gps better because entering addresses is much easier.
>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Mike Busboom wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Anne,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for responding.  I downloaded Ariadne this morning, but I have 
>>> been told that the most recent version of Navigon is no longer 
>>> accessible.  If this is true, do you know if it is possible to download 
>>> older iterations of a program from the iStore?  If ordering older 
>>> versions works, which version should I grab?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for all the times you have assisted me!
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> On 18,Feb,2012, at 5:07 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Mike,
 
 This app does not work in Europe. I like the combination of Navigon 
 and Ariadne GPS. You might also find MyWay Classic useful for marking 
 out routes that are off the beaten track.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 18 Feb 2012, at 16:50, Michael Busboom wrote:
 
> Hello Mike,
> 
> Do you know if this App works at all in Europe?  Since I still am an 
> expatriate American and get to the States occasionally, I'll probably 
> buy it, but knowing that it worked in Europe as well would make it 
> even more interesting.
> 
> Kindest regards,
> 
> Mike
> P.S. Your podcasts on the Mac did much to inspire me to buy my first 
> MacBook, and I don't regret that decision one little bit.  Thank you.
> On 18,Feb,2012, at 4:46 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> Hey everyone, motion gps has just released version 13 for the 
>> iphone, if you live in the United States or Canada, it's well worth 
>> checking out. They have fixed the unlabeled buttons and provided 
>> very good accessibility for voiceover users. I think this app is now 
>> by far the best one for blind users, navigon was the best choice for 
>> a while but I think it has lost the top spot, especially in the 
>> newest versions.
>> 
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Re: Typing Tutorial for the Mac

The keyboard if you are putting some one in front of a computer for the first 
time.  It's not weird.  My windows clients use talking typer all the time.  
Most of my mac clients are switchers or otherwise have learned to type on a 
typewriter or windows environment, but eventually I'll sit down with some one 
and they'll start counting keys on their apple keyboard.  It's only a matter of 
time.

Best,

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On 2012-02-20, at 6:47 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Thats weird.  I mean, except the modifier keys, the keyboard on the Mac is 
> the same as every other qwerty keyboard.  What's there to learn?
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> 
> On Feb 20, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
> 
>> A colleague has inquired about any typing tutorials to learn the Mac 
>> keyboard.  Any suggestions.  I know one can explore the keyboard with VO K, 
>> but are there any typing drills that are accessible and available for the 
>> Mac?  Thanks.
>> 
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Re: airport express configuration

Hi Tim,
Indeed you're right. Thanks for pointing this out. I looked again, and the 
setting I want, creating a port mapping, is not immediately apparent. Mine is 
now set up to connect to an existing wireless network. Only if I switch the  
airport express over into another mode, where it gets internet from its rj 45 
connector, it then creates a new wireless network to which other devices can 
connect, and only if you switch into this new mode, all settings will appear, 
including the possibility to create port mappings. Thanks for the pointer.

Paul.
On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Everything you need to set up both basic and advanced features of the Airport 
> Express can be found in the Airport Utility.  Depending on whether you're 
> using the newest AU or the Snow Leopard version, will determine how you get 
> to these features.  In the Snow Leopard version, when you first open AU, 
> select the Airport Express or Extreme, then press cmd-l to manually configure 
> your unit.  In the newest version in Lion, simply VO-space on the desired 
> Express or Extreme in your network to pop-over to its Summary screen then 
> press the Edit button to access more advanced features.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-02-17, at 5:24 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:
> 
>> Dear listers,
>> 
>> An airport express is very, very simple to set up, but only if you want 
>> basic features. I'm wondering about the admin utility that the manual keeps 
>> talking about, because that is what you use if you want to configure more 
>> advanced features in the airport express device. The apple site doesn't have 
>> it as far as I experienced, but does any of you know where to get that? I 
>> would like to use the airport express as a normal access point giving wifi 
>> internet. But I need a whole in the nat router to temporarily run a small 
>> internet service. Where can I find its admin utility on the web? Or is it 
>> outdated, and can we only use basic features in the airport express these 
>> days?
>> Paul.
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Re: Labeling buttons with Lion

Does anybody know where voiceover on the mac keeps its custom labels, in case I 
want to delete them and get back to factory settings?
On Feb 12, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Ed Worrell wrote:

> Thank you that is most helpful.
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RE: help with Growl

2012-02-21 Thread Missy Hoppe

If this jis the new growl from the app store, opening it with command O from 
within your apps folder should automatically put
you into preferences. It doesn't use command comma. By chance, did you listen 
to the two growl demos I did? I explained all
of this fairly thoroughly. If you're using an older version of growl, I believe 
the preferences are accessed via system
preferences.
Good luck!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jennifer Perdue
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 6:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: help with Growl

I have tried restarting the computer but it still says that growl is running in 
the background when I open it.  I'm really
not sure what to do at this point, because if it is running in the background 
it will not allow me to pull up any preferences
for it at all.

Should I try and delete it and reinstall it?  How do I do that though since it 
is an app?

Jenny and my goofy guideBrooks
On Feb 19, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Gigi wrote:

> R hi Jennifer
> I ended up having to restart my computer. I guess I really should say that I 
> shut it down taking out all the windows. When
I started my computer back up, growl brought up the preferences when I call up 
the program. You might try that and see if
that helps. It did help mine. I still haven't completely got growled away I 
want it, but it's better than it was.
> Regards
> GG
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Jennifer Perdue  wrote:
>
>> When I try to use the arrows with VO to navigate the preference pains and 
>> then click on other it doesn't click on the
correct thing even though I interact with it.  I am not sure what I'm doing 
wrong.  I checked out universal access and that
didn't seem to get me what I needed either.  Should I uninstall Growl at this 
point?  If so, how do I reinstall it since it
is an app?  I'm really confused as to why it won't let me get into its own 
preferences.  I just says it's funning in the
background and won't let me get to its preferences at all no matter which 
methods I use.
>>
>> Thanks for your help again.
>>
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:56 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jennifer!
>>> Well hope this is useful!
>>> Open the main menu with either vo+m or control+f2 then when sitting on the 
>>> Apple menu scroll down to system pref's and
vo+space or return!
>>> In the next window you will have to just arrow once to the preference pain 
>>> and interact with it!
>>> And in there is lots of selections for you to go into if needed!
>>> I.E. keyboard, accounts, Bluetooth and others!
>>> usually the last one is universal access but Growl should be after this 
>>> under the heading of [others] and it should say
growl button!
>>> vo+space on that and you should get into growl to see what you can do!
>>> If you have not had much use of system pref's there is things you might 
>>> want to look at in there!
>>> And do not forget the only dumb question is one that is not asked!
>>> :] People will try to help if they can!
>>> Colin
>>>
>>> On 19 Feb 2012, at 12:31, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>>
 Universal access, I'm sorry but I'm not sure exactly what that is?  Could 
 you explain what that is and how to get to it
please.  All I know is that when I am sitting on growl and I use command , it 
goes straight to the OS 10 preferences and if I
use the VO m command for the apple menu to go to preferences it jumps to 
another apple menu entirely.

 thanks for your help.
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Re: help with Growl

Sorry to ask this again, but could you send me those direct links.  

Thanks, and sorry for being such a scatter brain.  In the process of moving and 
trying to get this set up at the same time.  Lots to do.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Feb 21, 2012, at 6:40 AM, Missy Hope wrote:

> If this jis the new growl from the app store, opening it with command O from 
> within your apps folder should automatically put
> you into preferences. It doesn't use command comma. By chance, did you listen 
> to the two growl demos I did? I explained all
> of this fairly thoroughly. If you're using an older version of growl, I 
> believe the preferences are accessed via system
> preferences.
> Good luck!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Perdue
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 6:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: help with Growl
> 
> I have tried restarting the computer but it still says that growl is running 
> in the background when I open it.  I'm really
> not sure what to do at this point, because if it is running in the background 
> it will not allow me to pull up any preferences
> for it at all.
> 
> Should I try and delete it and reinstall it?  How do I do that though since 
> it is an app?
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guideBrooks
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Gigi wrote:
> 
>> R hi Jennifer
>> I ended up having to restart my computer. I guess I really should say that I 
>> shut it down taking out all the windows. When
> I started my computer back up, growl brought up the preferences when I call 
> up the program. You might try that and see if
> that helps. It did help mine. I still haven't completely got growled away I 
> want it, but it's better than it was.
>> Regards
>> GG
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Jennifer Perdue  wrote:
>> 
>>> When I try to use the arrows with VO to navigate the preference pains and 
>>> then click on other it doesn't click on the
> correct thing even though I interact with it.  I am not sure what I'm doing 
> wrong.  I checked out universal access and that
> didn't seem to get me what I needed either.  Should I uninstall Growl at this 
> point?  If so, how do I reinstall it since it
> is an app?  I'm really confused as to why it won't let me get into its own 
> preferences.  I just says it's funning in the
> background and won't let me get to its preferences at all no matter which 
> methods I use.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help again.
>>> 
>>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:56 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Jennifer!
 Well hope this is useful!
 Open the main menu with either vo+m or control+f2 then when sitting on the 
 Apple menu scroll down to system pref's and
> vo+space or return!
 In the next window you will have to just arrow once to the preference pain 
 and interact with it!
 And in there is lots of selections for you to go into if needed!
 I.E. keyboard, accounts, Bluetooth and others!
 usually the last one is universal access but Growl should be after this 
 under the heading of [others] and it should say
> growl button!
 vo+space on that and you should get into growl to see what you can do!
 If you have not had much use of system pref's there is things you might 
 want to look at in there!
 And do not forget the only dumb question is one that is not asked!
 :] People will try to help if they can!
 Colin
 
 On 19 Feb 2012, at 12:31, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
 
> Universal access, I'm sorry but I'm not sure exactly what that is?  Could 
> you explain what that is and how to get to it
> please.  All I know is that when I am sitting on growl and I use command , it 
> goes straight to the OS 10 preferences and if I
> use the VO m command for the apple menu to go to preferences it jumps to 
> another apple menu entirely.
> 
> thanks for your help.
>> 
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RE: help with Growl

2012-02-21 Thread Missy Hoppe

Hi! Here are the links again.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1770137/Growl%20demo.mp3
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1770137/Troubleshooting%20Growl.mp3
I've read your most recent messages, though, and am not sure this will solve 
the problem you seem to be having with the empty
applications table. That's very, very odd. I learned the hard way never to 
delete something; had to do a clean install of
growl after making that mistake, and that wasn't fun. There are instructions 
for it online that are easily found using
google, but suffice it to say it's not something I want to do again. If you 
don't want growl to work with an app, just
uncheck it. Anyway, I hope the demos help a little.
Missy

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jennifer Perdue
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: help with Growl

Sorry to ask this again, but could you send me those direct links.

Thanks, and sorry for being such a scatter brain.  In the process of moving and 
trying to get this set up at the same time.
Lots to do.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Feb 21, 2012, at 6:40 AM, Missy Hope wrote:

> If this jis the new growl from the app store, opening it with command
> O from within your apps folder should automatically put you into
> preferences. It doesn't use command comma. By chance, did you listen
> to the two growl demos I did? I explained all of this fairly thoroughly. If 
> you're using an older version of growl, I
believe the preferences are accessed via system preferences.
> Good luck!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Perdue
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 6:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: help with Growl
>
> I have tried restarting the computer but it still says that growl is
> running in the background when I open it.  I'm really not sure what to
> do at this point, because if it is running in the background it will not 
> allow me to pull up any preferences for it at all.
>
> Should I try and delete it and reinstall it?  How do I do that though since 
> it is an app?
>
> Jenny and my goofy guideBrooks
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Gigi wrote:
>
>> R hi Jennifer
>> I ended up having to restart my computer. I guess I really should say
>> that I shut it down taking out all the windows. When
> I started my computer back up, growl brought up the preferences when I
> call up the program. You might try that and see if that helps. It did help 
> mine. I still haven't completely got growled
away I want it, but it's better than it was.
>> Regards
>> GG
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Jennifer Perdue  wrote:
>>
>>> When I try to use the arrows with VO to navigate the preference
>>> pains and then click on other it doesn't click on the
> correct thing even though I interact with it.  I am not sure what I'm
> doing wrong.  I checked out universal access and that didn't seem to
> get me what I needed either.  Should I uninstall Growl at this point?
> If so, how do I reinstall it since it is an app?  I'm really confused as to 
> why it won't let me get into its own
preferences.  I just says it's funning in the background and won't let me get 
to its preferences at all no matter which
methods I use.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help again.
>>>
>>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:56 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>
 Hi Jennifer!
 Well hope this is useful!
 Open the main menu with either vo+m or control+f2 then when sitting
 on the Apple menu scroll down to system pref's and
> vo+space or return!
 In the next window you will have to just arrow once to the preference pain 
 and interact with it!
 And in there is lots of selections for you to go into if needed!
 I.E. keyboard, accounts, Bluetooth and others!
 usually the last one is universal access but Growl should be after
 this under the heading of [others] and it should say
> growl button!
 vo+space on that and you should get into growl to see what you can do!
 If you have not had much use of system pref's there is things you might 
 want to look at in there!
 And do not forget the only dumb question is one that is not asked!
 :] People will try to help if they can!
 Colin

 On 19 Feb 2012, at 12:31, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

> Universal access, I'm sorry but I'm not sure exactly what that is?
> Could you explain what that is and how to get to it
> please.  All I know is that when I am sitting on growl and I use
> command , it goes straight to the OS 10 preferences and if I use the VO m 
> command for the apple menu to go to preferences
it jumps to another apple menu entirely.
>
> thanks for your help.
>>
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Re: Typing Tutorial for the Mac

Hi,

I Thought they were talking about learning the keyboard on the Mac 
specifically, not learning to type in general.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Feb 21, 2012, at 7:08 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> The keyboard if you are putting some one in front of a computer for the first 
> time.  It's not weird.  My windows clients use talking typer all the time.  
> Most of my mac clients are switchers or otherwise have learned to type on a 
> typewriter or windows environment, but eventually I'll sit down with some one 
> and they'll start counting keys on their apple keyboard.  It's only a matter 
> of time.
> 
> Best,
> 
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> On 2012-02-20, at 6:47 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Thats weird.  I mean, except the modifier keys, the keyboard on the Mac is 
>> the same as every other qwerty keyboard.  What's there to learn?
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Feb 20, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> 
>>> A colleague has inquired about any typing tutorials to learn the Mac 
>>> keyboard.  Any suggestions.  I know one can explore the keyboard with VO K, 
>>> but are there any typing drills that are accessible and available for the 
>>> Mac?  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Les
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Re: How to open the addressbook.

Ok, sorry, I think I must not have been spacific enough; my mistake.  I can 
open the address book, I just can't figure out for the life of me how to access 
my contact info, short of the list of names, once I get into it, and it's 
driving me nuts.
  How am I supposed to go about doing that?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Red.Falcon 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:08 AM
  Subject: Re: How to open the addressbook.

  Hi Jessica!
  Well I've set a keyboard shortcut for mine!
  So I only need to press right option key plus R [R for reply] because A is 
set to adium!
  But you can also launch it from the doc by either return or vo space or even 
vo+shift+m and find open in that menu!
  Mind you the address book has some issue's of its own!
  And I'm running snowy kitty and do not know if it is any better in Lion!
  But I hth anyway!
  Colin

  On 20 Feb 2012, at 21:12, Jessica wrote:

I've just figured out how to add contacts to the addressbook on the mac, so 
have added a bunch of them that I had on file, only to not be able to open them 
later.  I tried "command+O," only to have it give me an import option, and 
can't find an option to open them in the menus.
  How am I supposed to do this?
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otterbox case vs a hybrid case.

I did a search a while back on amazon for an otterbox case, hoping I could find 
one cheaper, and ended up finding tons of them, including a hybrid case that 
they apparently make, but don't understand how that differs from a regular 
Otterbox defender case.
  Can anyone explain this?  They claim they offer more protection, but like 
anything, people will tell you anything just to make a sale, so I don't want to 
end up buying something I can't use either, so some feedback would be really 
appreciated.
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Re: How to open the addressbook.

Hi,

When you are on the name of the contact you would like to view information for, 
make sure your not interacting with the table, and VO left arrow once.  You 
will be on "Contact Information group".  Interact with this.  You will be on 
the full name of the contact entry.  VO right arrow once and you will here, 
"Contact Information scroll area".  Interact with this and you will see all the 
information you've entered for the contact.

hth

Ricardo Walker
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On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Jessica wrote:

> Ok, sorry, I think I must not have been spacific enough; my mistake.  I can 
> open the address book, I just can't figure out for the life of me how to 
> access my contact info, short of the list of names, once I get into it, and 
> it's driving me nuts.
>   How am I supposed to go about doing that?
> - Original Message -
> From: Red.Falcon
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:08 AM
> Subject: Re: How to open the addressbook.
> 
> Hi Jessica!
> Well I've set a keyboard shortcut for mine!
> So I only need to press right option key plus R [R for reply] because A is 
> set to adium!
> But you can also launch it from the doc by either return or vo space or even 
> vo+shift+m and find open in that menu!
> Mind you the address book has some issue's of its own!
> And I'm running snowy kitty and do not know if it is any better in Lion!
> But I hth anyway!
> Colin
> 
> On 20 Feb 2012, at 21:12, Jessica wrote:
> 
>> I've just figured out how to add contacts to the addressbook on the mac, so 
>> have added a bunch of them that I had on file, only to not be able to open 
>> them later.  I tried "command+O," only to have it give me an import option, 
>> and can't find an option to open them in the menus.
>>   How am I supposed to do this?
>> Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a good 
>> income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case then come 
>> check out Tmi wireless!
>> We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of items 
>> including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, and you're 
>> payed a comission from every sale you make!
>> Check out 
>>  
>> and learn how to make money doing something you already do daily!
>> to learn more, visit:
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iTunes Extras

2012-02-21 Thread Joseph Norton

Hi list:

I recently purchased a movie through iTunes.  It says it comes with a number of 
extras.  They look like another movie, sort-of, but, when I select the extras, 
I just hear an audio clip and an HTML page with some images comes up, but, 
nothing seems immediately obvious.

Any suggestions on how to deal with these "extras"

Thanks!

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reading PDFs

2012-02-21 Thread Allison Manzino

Hi all,

THe only way I can read PDFs is to press control option and colon which locks 
the VO keys. This way you can just use down arrow to read the document or just 
press A for all. I believe you can also interact with the toolbar and go page 
by page. But it's not intuitive. I hope this helps.

Allison

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Re: Question about a monitor on my mac mini

2012-02-21 Thread matthew Dyer

I have a 15 inch monitor comnnected with the vga addapter that I've had.  It is 
set at 1020-768.  Should I try a lower reselosion to see if that helps.

Matthew


On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:09 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> How is your mini connected to the screen? Maybe the resolution/frequency 
> selected is not supported on that display so the display can't sync and gives 
> up.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 2/20/12 9:38 AM, matthew Dyer wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The problem I am having is that the screen will not stay on.  I tried 
>> detected displays and it is still off.  I will keep messaing around with it 
>> and see what happens.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 10:54 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> Hmmm. In System Preferences>  Displays at the very end of the dialog is a 
>>> button called Detect Displays. Try hitting that and maybe it will notice 
>>> your screen correctly.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 2/19/12 9:49 AM, matthew Dyer wrote:
 I had it connected before I turned it on.
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Feb 18, 2012, at 11:49 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
 
> Best thing is to have the monitor connected before the Mac is powered on 
> since the detect process seems to happen at bootup. I think it might be a 
> cold boot thing so you might need to fully shut down, not just do a 
> reboot.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 2/17/12 3:21 PM, matthew Dyer wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just connected a monitor to my mac mini and while my mac sees it there 
>> is nothing showing on the screen.  I know it works as it was tested.  Is 
>> there something I need to change in display settings?  Thanks.  Just 
>> wondering.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
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virus scanners for Eric

2012-02-21 Thread Allison Manzino

Hi Eric,

I use a scanning program called Virus Barrier Express. I think I got it from 
the ap store. I believe this version is free. But I know it's accessible with 
VoiceOver.  I cn'at say if it's similar to Spybot Search and Destroy or 
Addaware, but I like it very much. I'm familiar with those windows programs but 
every time I used Spybot or Addaware, it crashed my HP. Well, I hope this 
helps. Have a great day.

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amadeus pro question

Hi folks,
since yesterday i try hard to get my way with amadeus pro.
I try to edit and there something goes wrong.
the focus is right, the playhead is moved to the insertion point and i have 
made two markers with the P key.
then i give spacebar and command left error to hear my selection and work on it 
with my a s d f keys, to set the markers right.
But somewhere it doesn't work.
The selection is not there and my vision goes wrong.
In mij idea there is a bgin and end marker and the space in between is to be 
cut out.
But in amadus, here seem to be only markers, no begin and end, that confuses me.
Can you tell me what i should do?
thx,
Ewoud

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RE: reading PDFs

2012-02-21 Thread Bejarano, Rafael P.

Locking VO is the only way I've found to read pdfs, too.  It's also possible to 
move left and right on a line, one word at a time, using the left and right 
arrows, provided that VO is locked.  There does not seem to be a way to read 
documents formatted in multiple columns, however, nor is it possible to 
navigate by sentence or paragraph, at least as far as I know.  If anyone else 
on this list knows more tricks, please do share.

Rafael Bejarano

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Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:18 AM
To: Mac Visionaries
Subject: reading PDFs

Hi all,

THe only way I can read PDFs is to press control option and colon which locks 
the VO keys. This way you can just use down arrow to read the document or just 
press A for all. I believe you can also interact with the toolbar and go page 
by page. But it's not intuitive. I hope this helps.

Allison

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Re: Found this from Apple on Minis

2012-02-21 Thread Alex Hall

That's odd, as I have heard from a lot of people on this list that you
*do* need a monitor or you will have serious lag problems.

On 2/21/12, Bill Holton  wrote:
> This is the email from accessibil...@apple.com that convinced me to buy a
> Mini
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Thank you for your email. The current line of Mac minis available for
> purchase is VO compatible without a monitor or additional adapters and
> cables.
>
>
>
> Apple Accessibility
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Can I run a mini with voiceover without the unit being connected to a
> monitor?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Found this from Apple on Minis

And that is indeed the case.  I think the Apple rep is just  mistaken.

Ricardo Walker
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On Feb 21, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

> That's odd, as I have heard from a lot of people on this list that you
> *do* need a monitor or you will have serious lag problems.
> 
> On 2/21/12, Bill Holton  wrote:
>> This is the email from accessibil...@apple.com that convinced me to buy a
>> Mini
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you for your email. The current line of Mac minis available for
>> purchase is VO compatible without a monitor or additional adapters and
>> cables.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Can I run a mini with voiceover without the unit being connected to a
>> monitor?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: amadeus pro question

2012-02-21 Thread Ray Foret Jr

1.  Navigate to the point at which you wish to drop your first mark.

2.  Press command+y to rout the insertion point to this location.

3.  Now, press p to place the marker.

4.  Now, navigate to the point where the next marker should be.

5.  Now, press command+y to rout the insertion point and press p again.

6.  Now, press space bar to play your selection.

Note, you must have the play slelection item checked in the general prefs for 
this to work.

HTH.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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On Feb 21, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Ewoud wrote:

> Hi folks,
> since yesterday i try hard to get my way with amadeus pro.
> I try to edit and there something goes wrong.
> the focus is right, the playhead is moved to the insertion point and i have 
> made two markers with the P key.
> then i give spacebar and command left error to hear my selection and work on 
> it with my a s d f keys, to set the markers right.
> But somewhere it doesn't work.
> The selection is not there and my vision goes wrong.
> In mij idea there is a bgin and end marker and the space in between is to be 
> cut out.
> But in amadus, here seem to be only markers, no begin and end, that confuses 
> me.
> Can you tell me what i should do?
> thx,
> Ewoud
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Re: Found this from Apple on Minis

So I went ahead and emailed the apple accessibility folks if they could 
document when this was fixed so folks know if they need a monitor or 
not. My assumption is that they just got it wrong but, if they have it 
fixed, they need to say what models no longer need the display to 
function correctly. Maybe the latest video chipsets really do have it 
fixed, but I'm not holding my breath.


CB

On 2/21/12 11:12 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

And that is indeed the case.  I think the Apple rep is just  mistaken.

Ricardo Walker
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On Feb 21, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Alex Hall wrote:


That's odd, as I have heard from a lot of people on this list that you
*do* need a monitor or you will have serious lag problems.

On 2/21/12, Bill Holton  wrote:

This is the email from accessibil...@apple.com that convinced me to buy a
Mini

Hi,



Thank you for your email. The current line of Mac minis available for
purchase is VO compatible without a monitor or additional adapters and
cables.



Apple Accessibility





On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Bill Holton wrote:





Can I run a mini with voiceover without the unit being connected to a
monitor?









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Re: Question about a monitor on my mac mini

Most monitors, unless they are ancient, should be able to handle 
1024x768 but not all frequencies. Depending on what flavor or OSX you 
have there should either be refreshrates listed with the resolutions 
(1024x768 60Hz for example) or as a separate Refresh Rate popup. I think 
when I've had my laptop connected to a projector there were rates listed 
up to 120Hz but most should handle 60Hz just fine. Also some monitors 
take both VGA and DVI inputs and you might have to play with some on 
screen controls to tell the monitor to use the analog VGA instead of DVI.


Hope this helps.

CB

On 2/21/12 10:18 AM, matthew Dyer wrote:

I have a 15 inch monitor comnnected with the vga addapter that I've had.  It is 
set at 1020-768.  Should I try a lower reselosion to see if that helps.

Matthew


On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:09 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:


How is your mini connected to the screen? Maybe the resolution/frequency 
selected is not supported on that display so the display can't sync and gives 
up.

CB

On 2/20/12 9:38 AM, matthew Dyer wrote:

Hi,

The problem I am having is that the screen will not stay on.  I tried detected 
displays and it is still off.  I will keep messaing around with it and see what 
happens.

Matthew


On Feb 19, 2012, at 10:54 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:


Hmmm. In System Preferences>   Displays at the very end of the dialog is a 
button called Detect Displays. Try hitting that and maybe it will notice your 
screen correctly.

CB

On 2/19/12 9:49 AM, matthew Dyer wrote:

I had it connected before I turned it on.

 Matthew


On Feb 18, 2012, at 11:49 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:


Best thing is to have the monitor connected before the Mac is powered on since 
the detect process seems to happen at bootup. I think it might be a cold boot 
thing so you might need to fully shut down, not just do a reboot.

CB

On 2/17/12 3:21 PM, matthew Dyer wrote:

Hi all,

I just connected a monitor to my mac mini and while my mac sees it there is 
nothing showing on the screen.  I know it works as it was tested.  Is there 
something I need to change in display settings?  Thanks.  Just wondering.

Matthew



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RE: Found this from Apple on Minis

2012-02-21 Thread Bill Holton

No, this was what I got last July and why I went ahead and bought my mini.
They still don't even acknowledge there's a problem.  They say no one has
reported it, I sent them many emails from folks on this list, and now they
don't respond to my emails.


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Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:27 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Found this from Apple on Minis

So I went ahead and emailed the apple accessibility folks if they could 
document when this was fixed so folks know if they need a monitor or 
not. My assumption is that they just got it wrong but, if they have it 
fixed, they need to say what models no longer need the display to 
function correctly. Maybe the latest video chipsets really do have it 
fixed, but I'm not holding my breath.

CB

On 2/21/12 11:12 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> And that is indeed the case.  I think the Apple rep is just  mistaken.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
>
> On Feb 21, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>
>> That's odd, as I have heard from a lot of people on this list that you
>> *do* need a monitor or you will have serious lag problems.
>>
>> On 2/21/12, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>> This is the email from accessibil...@apple.com that convinced me to buy
a
>>> Mini
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for your email. The current line of Mac minis available for
>>> purchase is VO compatible without a monitor or additional adapters and
>>> cables.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Apple Accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can I run a mini with voiceover without the unit being connected to a
>>> monitor?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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com.apple and terminal

Dear listers,

When examining commands for the mac command line, I keep coming across 
com.apple. I think it is some kind of object that has properties. What does 
this thing do? Where do I find documentation about this? Man doesn't have an 
explanation as far as I can see. Can anyone help me get started a little bit? 
Do I set object properties in front or after com.apple? 
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Re: Found this from Apple on Minis

2012-02-21 Thread Alex Hall

For what it's worth, I have the latest Mini, bought last August. I
have also never gotten a reply about this.

On 2/21/12, Bill Holton  wrote:
> No, this was what I got last July and why I went ahead and bought my mini.
> They still don't even acknowledge there's a problem.  They say no one has
> reported it, I sent them many emails from folks on this list, and now they
> don't respond to my emails.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:27 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Found this from Apple on Minis
>
> So I went ahead and emailed the apple accessibility folks if they could
> document when this was fixed so folks know if they need a monitor or
> not. My assumption is that they just got it wrong but, if they have it
> fixed, they need to say what models no longer need the display to
> function correctly. Maybe the latest video chipsets really do have it
> fixed, but I'm not holding my breath.
>
> CB
>
> On 2/21/12 11:12 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> And that is indeed the case.  I think the Apple rep is just  mistaken.
>>
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>
>>> That's odd, as I have heard from a lot of people on this list that you
>>> *do* need a monitor or you will have serious lag problems.
>>>
>>> On 2/21/12, Bill Holton  wrote:
 This is the email from accessibil...@apple.com that convinced me to buy
> a
 Mini

 Hi,



 Thank you for your email. The current line of Mac minis available for
 purchase is VO compatible without a monitor or additional adapters and
 cables.



 Apple Accessibility





 On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Bill Holton wrote:





 Can I run a mini with voiceover without the unit being connected to a
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Re: Is there an alternative to Winscp for the mac that is accessible

It's very much like linux in that they are both unix variants. I've 
never used the ? with man so I'm not sure what that should do. I usually 
just do "man ping" or "man netstat" to get details. If I'm not sure what 
the command is called I use "man -k speech" to look up anything related, 
which in this case notes that there is a "say" command.


CB

On 2/21/12 5:19 AM, Dean Adams wrote:

Hi CB,
Thanks for the tip to get the info from a man page is it like linux by 
putting a question mark after the man command in terminal I have 
searched the net for examples and have found most things like ping and 
netstat and so on will search for termanil commands . Again many thanks.




On 21/02/2012, at 4:11 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

If you bring up terminal I think you will find everything you need 
there. Just use the "man" command to get more info on all the unix 
commands including ssh, sftp, scp, rsync etc.


CB

On 2/20/12 8:19 AM, Dean Adams wrote:

Hi All,
I have found most apps that I need for my tasks on the new macbook 
pro but the only thing I am missing is an alternative to a windows 
program called Win scp so I can ssh into several servers I have to 
upload files to on a regular basis . I am trying not to touch my 
windows laptop when I hope there is an accessible ssh client for the 
mac . Any help finding an alternative would be much appreciated.


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Re: Unmounting flash drives in terminal

Weird. Why not rename the drives from the finder instead of the 
terminal? Never did it that way. Maybe OSX does some extra stuff when 
renaming a volume that you are not also doing in terminal. Might be 
worth just doing a reformat of the drive at this point since it's now in 
some weird state, appearing as multiple volumes as though there are 
multiple partitions.


CB

On 2/20/12 2:10 PM, .dan. wrote:



I have recently been fooling around with flash drives in terminal for 
downloading nls digital books.



When a flash drive is inserted in a usb port the name of the product 
appears in /Volumes like a directory.


Because I have two flash drives I renamed the brand name of each to 
another to describe the items to be put on them.


I used the mv command to rename the flash drive.  I then placed the 
books in it.  When the drive was removed the books were on it and were 
played by the nls digital machine.


Now when i put one of the flash drives in, the original brand name 
appears along with the renamed drives as described above.  The renamed 
drives are empty.  The drive with brand name has the books placed 
there originally in one of the renamed drives.


They appear as empty directories but cann't be deleted.

So, how can one rename a flash drive and how can I get rid of the 
original names I chose for the brand name.


I have tried umount with no luck. Maybe there is another better 
command or my syntax is off.  What would be a proper command to remove 
the renamed but empty drives?


Thanks.


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Re: virus scanners for Eric

2012-02-21 Thread Eric Oyen

hmmm. ok, I am not entirely familiar with virus-barrier. I will have to look at 
it from the app store.

I never saw Spybot or ad-aware crash a system before. must be something 
different in the newer versions that isn't liked by window eyes or jaws.

-eric

On Feb 21, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> 
> I use a scanning program called Virus Barrier Express. I think I got it from 
> the ap store. I believe this version is free. But I know it's accessible with 
> VoiceOver.  I cn'at say if it's similar to Spybot Search and Destroy or 
> Addaware, but I like it very much. I'm familiar with those windows programs 
> but every time I used Spybot or Addaware, it crashed my HP. Well, I hope this 
> helps. Have a great day.
> 
> Allison
> 
> Life is not measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our 
> breath away
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Re: com.apple and terminal

You must be poking around in your preferences folder. These usually 
preferences settings such as com.apple.recentitems.plist. Some are in 
XML while others are in a binary format which is not "human readable". 
In either case you can use the Property List Editor included with XCode 
which gives you a nice hierarchical list of all the settings inside a 
plist file. I think the editor is the default app to open a plist file, 
at at least it is for me. From the terminal you can also play with the 
"defaults" command which lets you read/write attributes in a plist. Just 
do a "man defaults" for details. For example, "defaults read 
com.apple.recentitems" would output to your termial all the settings 
store in the com.apple.recentitems.plist.


CB

On 2/21/12 11:42 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

Dear listers,

When examining commands for the mac command line, I keep coming across 
com.apple. I think it is some kind of object that has properties. What does 
this thing do? Where do I find documentation about this? Man doesn't have an 
explanation as far as I can see. Can anyone help me get started a little bit? 
Do I set object properties in front or after com.apple?
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Re: Found this from Apple on Minis

Here is specifically what I sent them. Sort of open the door to get them 
to respond and state the monitor problems as a given fact.


-
On various mailing lists there are numerous reports of lag and other bad 
behavior in voiceover when Mac Minis are used without a monitor. This 
has been pretty well known for many years. One person received a 
response from Apple Accessibility before purchasing his Mac Mini that 
this issue no longer exists. Unfortunately no detail was provided as to 
when or which models this was fixed. Could you please elaborate as to 
when this change was implemented so we can better help folks know if 
they have to have a monitor or not? I will re-share your response so 
this information is more widely distributed. Thanks.

-

CB

On 2/21/12 11:52 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

For what it's worth, I have the latest Mini, bought last August. I
have also never gotten a reply about this.

On 2/21/12, Bill Holton  wrote:

No, this was what I got last July and why I went ahead and bought my mini.
They still don't even acknowledge there's a problem.  They say no one has
reported it, I sent them many emails from folks on this list, and now they
don't respond to my emails.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:27 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Found this from Apple on Minis

So I went ahead and emailed the apple accessibility folks if they could
document when this was fixed so folks know if they need a monitor or
not. My assumption is that they just got it wrong but, if they have it
fixed, they need to say what models no longer need the display to
function correctly. Maybe the latest video chipsets really do have it
fixed, but I'm not holding my breath.

CB

On 2/21/12 11:12 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

And that is indeed the case.  I think the Apple rep is just  mistaken.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Feb 21, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Alex Hall wrote:


That's odd, as I have heard from a lot of people on this list that you
*do* need a monitor or you will have serious lag problems.

On 2/21/12, Bill Holton   wrote:

This is the email from accessibil...@apple.com that convinced me to buy

a

Mini

Hi,



Thank you for your email. The current line of Mac minis available for
purchase is VO compatible without a monitor or additional adapters and
cables.



Apple Accessibility





On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Bill Holton wrote:





Can I run a mini with voiceover without the unit being connected to a
monitor?









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Re: Is there an alternative to Winscp for the mac that is accessible

Hi Dean and Chris,

There's a very useful free utility at the Mac App Store called "Go2Shell". 
Here's the recent TUAW description:

Go2Shell is a tiny little 0.3MB app available for free from the Mac App Store 
that has the potential to speed up your work-flow if it involves Terminal. 
Go2Shell simply launches a Terminal session with the current folder you're 
navigating in Finder, or the folder that Go2Shell is located in, open for work. 
It even supports iTerm, iTerm 2 and xterm if you're not a fan of Apple's 
own-brand Terminal.

It's so simple, it's almost beautiful and if you happen to have to modify files 
in Terminal, or any other similar task, Go2Shell could be just ticket to save 
you time.

Go2Shell is a great free download from the Mac App Store that does one thing 
and one thing well. So if you're a Terminal guru (even the app's preferences 
are accessed through the command line) then give Go2Shell a whirl. You might 
like it.

Here's the link to the Go2Shell program at the Mac App Store:
http://itunes.apple.com/app/go2shell/id445770608?mt=12

When you are doing an scp, ssh, or sftp to work with files that are in are 
particular folder or directory,  this saves you from having to use the "cd" 
command to navigate to that folder in Terminal. Instead, you're placed in the 
folder you want when you use Go2Shell from the GUI.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 21, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> It's very much like linux in that they are both unix variants. I've never 
> used the ? with man so I'm not sure what that should do. I usually just do 
> "man ping" or "man netstat" to get details. If I'm not sure what the command 
> is called I use "man -k speech" to look up anything related, which in 
> this case notes that there is a "say" command.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 2/21/12 5:19 AM, Dean Adams wrote:
>> 
>> Hi CB,
>>  Thanks for the tip to get the info from a man page is it like linux by 
>> putting a question mark after the man command in terminal I have searched 
>> the net for examples and have found most things like ping and netstat and so 
>> on will search for termanil commands . Again many thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 21/02/2012, at 4:11 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> If you bring up terminal I think you will find everything you need there. 
>>> Just use the "man" command to get more info on all the unix commands 
>>> including ssh, sftp, scp, rsync etc.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 2/20/12 8:19 AM, Dean Adams wrote:

 Hi All,
  I have found most apps that I need for my tasks on the new macbook pro 
 but the only thing I am missing is an alternative to a windows program 
 called Win scp so I can ssh into several servers I have to upload files to 
 on a regular basis . I am trying not to touch my windows laptop when I 
 hope there is an accessible ssh client for the mac . Any help finding an 
 alternative would be much appreciated. 

 Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
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Re: How to open the addressbook.

Lol, that's a lot, will keep this for future reference though.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ricardo Walker" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: How to open the addressbook.

Hi,

When you are on the name of the contact you would like to view information 
for, make sure your not interacting with the table, and VO left arrow once. 
You will be on "Contact Information group".  Interact with this.  You will 
be on the full name of the contact entry.  VO right arrow once and you will 
here, "Contact Information scroll area".  Interact with this and you will 
see all the information you've entered for the contact.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Jessica wrote:

Ok, sorry, I think I must not have been spacific enough; my mistake.  I 
can open the address book, I just can't figure out for the life of me how 
to access my contact info, short of the list of names, once I get into it, 
and it's driving me nuts.

  How am I supposed to go about doing that?
- Original Message -
From: Red.Falcon
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: How to open the addressbook.

Hi Jessica!
Well I've set a keyboard shortcut for mine!
So I only need to press right option key plus R [R for reply] because A is 
set to adium!
But you can also launch it from the doc by either return or vo space or 
even vo+shift+m and find open in that menu!

Mind you the address book has some issue's of its own!
And I'm running snowy kitty and do not know if it is any better in Lion!
But I hth anyway!
Colin

On 20 Feb 2012, at 21:12, Jessica wrote:

I've just figured out how to add contacts to the addressbook on the mac, 
so have added a bunch of them that I had on file, only to not be able to 
open them later.  I tried "command+O," only to have it give me an import 
option, and can't find an option to open them in the menus.

  How am I supposed to do this?
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Re: Is there an alternative to Winscp for the mac that is accessible

Nice. Already downloaded, installed and shared with friends on some 
other mailing lists.


CB

On 2/21/12 12:41 PM, Esther wrote:

Hi Dean and Chris,

There's a very useful free utility at the Mac App Store called 
"Go2Shell". Here's the recent TUAW description:


Go2Shell is a tiny little 0.3MB app available for free from the Mac 
App Store that has the potential to speed up your work-flow if it 
involves Terminal. Go2Shell simply launches a Terminal session with 
the current folder you're navigating in Finder, or the folder that 
Go2Shell is located in, open for work. It even supports iTerm, iTerm 2 
and xterm if you're not a fan of Apple's own-brand Terminal.


It's so simple, it's almost beautiful and if you happen to have to 
modify files in Terminal, or any other similar task, Go2Shell could be 
just ticket to save you time.


Go2Shell is a great free download from the Mac App Store that does one 
thing and one thing well. So if you're a Terminal guru (even the app's 
preferences are accessed through the command line) then give Go2Shell 
a whirl. You might like it.



Here's the link to the Go2Shell program at the Mac App Store:
http://itunes.apple.com/app/go2shell/id445770608?mt=12

When you are doing an scp, ssh, or sftp to work with files that are in 
are particular folder or directory,  this saves you from having to use 
the "cd" command to navigate to that folder in Terminal. Instead, 
you're placed in the folder you want when you use Go2Shell from the GUI.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 21, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

It's very much like linux in that they are both unix variants. I've 
never used the ? with man so I'm not sure what that should do. I 
usually just do "man ping" or "man netstat" to get details. If I'm 
not sure what the command is called I use "man -k speech" to look up 
anything related, which in this case notes that there is a "say" command.


CB

On 2/21/12 5:19 AM, Dean Adams wrote:

Hi CB,
Thanks for the tip to get the info from a man page is it like linux 
by putting a question mark after the man command in terminal I have 
searched the net for examples and have found most things like ping 
and netstat and so on will search for termanil commands . Again many 
thanks.




On 21/02/2012, at 4:11 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

If you bring up terminal I think you will find everything you need 
there. Just use the "man" command to get more info on all the unix 
commands including ssh, sftp, scp, rsync etc.


CB

On 2/20/12 8:19 AM, Dean Adams wrote:

Hi All,
I have found most apps that I need for my tasks on the new macbook 
pro but the only thing I am missing is an alternative to a windows 
program called Win scp so I can ssh into several servers I have to 
upload files to on a regular basis . I am trying not to touch my 
windows laptop when I hope there is an accessible ssh client for 
the mac . Any help finding an alternative would be much appreciated.


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Re: Found this from Apple on Minis

2012-02-21 Thread John Panarese

   My model is a July 2011 as well and it had the problem.  Again, I was told 
the same thing by Apple, but documented my issues.  I have a post on my blog 
back from the summer that discusses what I discovered and how Chris's suggested 
work around has worked successfully for me.

Take Care

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On Feb 21, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Bill Holton wrote:

> No, this was what I got last July and why I went ahead and bought my mini.
> They still don't even acknowledge there's a problem.  They say no one has
> reported it, I sent them many emails from folks on this list, and now they
> don't respond to my emails.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:27 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Found this from Apple on Minis
> 
> So I went ahead and emailed the apple accessibility folks if they could 
> document when this was fixed so folks know if they need a monitor or 
> not. My assumption is that they just got it wrong but, if they have it 
> fixed, they need to say what models no longer need the display to 
> function correctly. Maybe the latest video chipsets really do have it 
> fixed, but I'm not holding my breath.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 2/21/12 11:12 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> And that is indeed the case.  I think the Apple rep is just  mistaken.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> That's odd, as I have heard from a lot of people on this list that you
>>> *do* need a monitor or you will have serious lag problems.
>>> 
>>> On 2/21/12, Bill Holton  wrote:
 This is the email from accessibil...@apple.com that convinced me to buy
> a
 Mini
 
 Hi,
 
 
 
 Thank you for your email. The current line of Mac minis available for
 purchase is VO compatible without a monitor or additional adapters and
 cables.
 
 
 
 Apple Accessibility
 
 
 
 
 
 On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Can I run a mini with voiceover without the unit being connected to a
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Re: How to open the addressbook.

The other option is to use the item chooser.

If for example, you want the phone number for one of your contacts, navigate to 
them in the contacts list.
Press control option I to bring up the item chooser.
start typing phone.
before you have finished typing you will be left with a list of the phone 
numbers such as home phone or mobile phone.
Press enter on the one you want, then navigate right once to the number.

This becomes very natural after a while and beats the pants off of interacting 
with this that and the other thing, navigating through all the fields to get 
what you want, then doing it all over again for the next VCard.

Hope this helps,

Erik
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On 2012-02-21, at 3:54 PM, Jessica wrote:

> Lol, that's a lot, will keep this for future reference though.
> - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 6:59 AM
> Subject: Re: How to open the addressbook.
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When you are on the name of the contact you would like to view information 
> for, make sure your not interacting with the table, and VO left arrow once. 
> You will be on "Contact Information group".  Interact with this.  You will be 
> on the full name of the contact entry.  VO right arrow once and you will 
> here, "Contact Information scroll area".  Interact with this and you will see 
> all the information you've entered for the contact.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Jessica wrote:
> 
>> Ok, sorry, I think I must not have been spacific enough; my mistake.  I can 
>> open the address book, I just can't figure out for the life of me how to 
>> access my contact info, short of the list of names, once I get into it, and 
>> it's driving me nuts.
>>  How am I supposed to go about doing that?
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Red.Falcon
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: How to open the addressbook.
>> 
>> Hi Jessica!
>> Well I've set a keyboard shortcut for mine!
>> So I only need to press right option key plus R [R for reply] because A is 
>> set to adium!
>> But you can also launch it from the doc by either return or vo space or even 
>> vo+shift+m and find open in that menu!
>> Mind you the address book has some issue's of its own!
>> And I'm running snowy kitty and do not know if it is any better in Lion!
>> But I hth anyway!
>> Colin
>> 
>> On 20 Feb 2012, at 21:12, Jessica wrote:
>> 
>>> I've just figured out how to add contacts to the addressbook on the mac, so 
>>> have added a bunch of them that I had on file, only to not be able to open 
>>> them later.  I tried "command+O," only to have it give me an import option, 
>>> and can't find an option to open them in the menus.
>>>  How am I supposed to do this?
>>> Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a 
>>> good income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case then 
>>> come check out Tmi wireless!
>>> We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of items 
>>> including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, and you're 
>>> payed a comission from every sale you make!
>>> Check out
>>> 
>>> and learn how to make money doing something you already do daily!
>>> to learn more, visit:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: How to open the addressbook.

Cool, will give those a try.
  - Original Message - 
  From: erik burggraaf 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:36 AM
  Subject: Re: How to open the addressbook.

  The other option is to use the item chooser.

  If for example, you want the phone number for one of your contacts, navigate 
to them in the contacts list.
  Press control option I to bring up the item chooser.
  start typing phone.
  before you have finished typing you will be left with a list of the phone 
numbers such as home phone or mobile phone.
  Press enter on the one you want, then navigate right once to the number.

  This becomes very natural after a while and beats the pants off of 
interacting with this that and the other thing, navigating through all the 
fields to get what you want, then doing it all over again for the next VCard.

  Hope this helps,

  Erik
  Erik Burggraaf
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drive imaging services available.  To read more and subscribe, visit 

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  On 2012-02-21, at 3:54 PM, Jessica wrote:

Lol, that's a lot, will keep this for future reference though.
- Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: How to open the addressbook.

Hi,

When you are on the name of the contact you would like to view information 
for, make sure your not interacting with the table, and VO left arrow once. You 
will be on "Contact Information group".  Interact with this.  You will be on 
the full name of the contact entry.  VO right arrow once and you will here, 
"Contact Information scroll area".  Interact with this and you will see all the 
information you've entered for the contact.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Jessica wrote:

  Ok, sorry, I think I must not have been spacific enough; my mistake.  I 
can open the address book, I just can't figure out for the life of me how to 
access my contact info, short of the list of names, once I get into it, and 
it's driving me nuts.

   How am I supposed to go about doing that?

  - Original Message -

  From: Red.Falcon

  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

  Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:08 AM

  Subject: Re: How to open the addressbook.

  Hi Jessica!

  Well I've set a keyboard shortcut for mine!

  So I only need to press right option key plus R [R for reply] because A 
is set to adium!

  But you can also launch it from the doc by either return or vo space or 
even vo+shift+m and find open in that menu!

  Mind you the address book has some issue's of its own!

  And I'm running snowy kitty and do not know if it is any better in Lion!

  But I hth anyway!

  Colin

  On 20 Feb 2012, at 21:12, Jessica wrote:

I've just figured out how to add contacts to the addressbook on the 
mac, so have added a bunch of them that I had on file, only to not be able to 
open them later.  I tried "command+O," only to have it give me an import 
option, and can't find an option to open them in the menus.

 How am I supposed to do this?

Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a 
good income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case then come 
check out Tmi wireless!

We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of 
items including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, and you're 
payed a comission from every sale you make!

Check out

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Re: amadeus pro question

hi ray,
thx for the mail back.
it seems i do not much else then you say, but ill try again. Ewoud 
Op 21 feb. 2012, om 17:20 heeft Ray Foret Jr het volgende geschreven:

> 1.  Navigate to the point at which you wish to drop your first mark.
> 
> 2.  Press command+y to rout the insertion point to this location.
> 
> 3.  Now, press p to place the marker.
> 
> 4.  Now, navigate to the point where the next marker should be.
> 
> 5.  Now, press command+y to rout the insertion point and press p again.
> 
> 6.  Now, press space bar to play your selection.
> 
> Note, you must have the play slelection item checked in the general prefs for 
> this to work.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 21, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Ewoud wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> since yesterday i try hard to get my way with amadeus pro.
>> I try to edit and there something goes wrong.
>> the focus is right, the playhead is moved to the insertion point and i have 
>> made two markers with the P key.
>> then i give spacebar and command left error to hear my selection and work on 
>> it with my a s d f keys, to set the markers right.
>> But somewhere it doesn't work.
>> The selection is not there and my vision goes wrong.
>> In mij idea there is a bgin and end marker and the space in between is to be 
>> cut out.
>> But in amadus, here seem to be only markers, no begin and end, that confuses 
>> me.
>> Can you tell me what i should do?
>> thx,
>> Ewoud
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Re: How to open the addressbook.

lol,

it just sounds like it is but, it really isn't.  Its just knowing how to 
navigate the application with voiceover.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Feb 21, 2012, at 3:54 PM, Jessica wrote:

> Lol, that's a lot, will keep this for future reference though.
> - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 6:59 AM
> Subject: Re: How to open the addressbook.
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When you are on the name of the contact you would like to view information 
> for, make sure your not interacting with the table, and VO left arrow once. 
> You will be on "Contact Information group".  Interact with this.  You will be 
> on the full name of the contact entry.  VO right arrow once and you will 
> here, "Contact Information scroll area".  Interact with this and you will see 
> all the information you've entered for the contact.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Jessica wrote:
> 
>> Ok, sorry, I think I must not have been spacific enough; my mistake.  I can 
>> open the address book, I just can't figure out for the life of me how to 
>> access my contact info, short of the list of names, once I get into it, and 
>> it's driving me nuts.
>>  How am I supposed to go about doing that?
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Red.Falcon
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: How to open the addressbook.
>> 
>> Hi Jessica!
>> Well I've set a keyboard shortcut for mine!
>> So I only need to press right option key plus R [R for reply] because A is 
>> set to adium!
>> But you can also launch it from the doc by either return or vo space or even 
>> vo+shift+m and find open in that menu!
>> Mind you the address book has some issue's of its own!
>> And I'm running snowy kitty and do not know if it is any better in Lion!
>> But I hth anyway!
>> Colin
>> 
>> On 20 Feb 2012, at 21:12, Jessica wrote:
>> 
>>> I've just figured out how to add contacts to the addressbook on the mac, so 
>>> have added a bunch of them that I had on file, only to not be able to open 
>>> them later.  I tried "command+O," only to have it give me an import option, 
>>> and can't find an option to open them in the menus.
>>>  How am I supposed to do this?
>>> Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a 
>>> good income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case then 
>>> come check out Tmi wireless!
>>> We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of items 
>>> including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, and you're 
>>> payed a comission from every sale you make!
>>> Check out
>>> 
>>> and learn how to make money doing something you already do daily!
>>> to learn more, visit:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: How to open the addressbook.

Thats a great tip.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Feb 21, 2012, at 1:36 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> The other option is to use the item chooser.
> 
> If for example, you want the phone number for one of your contacts, navigate 
> to them in the contacts list.
> Press control option I to bring up the item chooser.
> start typing phone.
> before you have finished typing you will be left with a list of the phone 
> numbers such as home phone or mobile phone.
> Press enter on the one you want, then navigate right once to the number.
> 
> This becomes very natural after a while and beats the pants off of 
> interacting with this that and the other thing, navigating through all the 
> fields to get what you want, then doing it all over again for the next VCard.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Erik
> Erik Burggraaf
> Currently on ebony promos: Ebony consulting on android accessibility, New 
> drive imaging services available.  To read more and subscribe, visit 
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> On 2012-02-21, at 3:54 PM, Jessica wrote:
> 
>> Lol, that's a lot, will keep this for future reference though.
>> - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 6:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: How to open the addressbook.
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When you are on the name of the contact you would like to view information 
>> for, make sure your not interacting with the table, and VO left arrow once. 
>> You will be on "Contact Information group".  Interact with this.  You will 
>> be on the full name of the contact entry.  VO right arrow once and you will 
>> here, "Contact Information scroll area".  Interact with this and you will 
>> see all the information you've entered for the contact.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Jessica wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, sorry, I think I must not have been spacific enough; my mistake.  I can 
>>> open the address book, I just can't figure out for the life of me how to 
>>> access my contact info, short of the list of names, once I get into it, and 
>>> it's driving me nuts.
>>>  How am I supposed to go about doing that?
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Red.Falcon
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>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: How to open the addressbook.
>>> 
>>> Hi Jessica!
>>> Well I've set a keyboard shortcut for mine!
>>> So I only need to press right option key plus R [R for reply] because A is 
>>> set to adium!
>>> But you can also launch it from the doc by either return or vo space or 
>>> even vo+shift+m and find open in that menu!
>>> Mind you the address book has some issue's of its own!
>>> And I'm running snowy kitty and do not know if it is any better in Lion!
>>> But I hth anyway!
>>> Colin
>>> 
>>> On 20 Feb 2012, at 21:12, Jessica wrote:
>>> 
 I've just figured out how to add contacts to the addressbook on the mac, 
 so have added a bunch of them that I had on file, only to not be able to 
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 option, and can't find an option to open them in the menus.
  How am I supposed to do this?
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BrailleTouch iPhone App

Dunno if anyone read these articles about using a chorded 6-finger input 
system to type on a mobile device. It would seem that it should be much 
faster to input this way but they haven't done real testing/analysis on 
this. It also requires holding the phone sideways with the screen 
pointing away so you can put three fingers on three dots on either end 
of the screen. I've always been in favor of 'universal design' where 
everybody uses the same basic UI so this seems to go against that. At 
the same time, if it were 2-3x faster than the current on screen 
keyboard input, maybe it would be worth it.


http://hothardware.com/News/Georgia-Tech-iPhone-App-Could-Help-Blind-Users-Text/
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Braille-Touch-app-brings-no-look-typing-to-handsets_id27003

Apparently not available in iTunes Store yet. Won best design in the 
Stockholm Mobile HCI [Human Computer Interaction] 2011 conference:


http://www.mobilehci2011.org/node/127

CB

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Actually universal design does not mean that everybody is forced to use
the same UI, rather the other way around, that an app or the product
you are designing must meet users way of using the device, and that real
world users use devices in many different ways.

Claus

Den 21-02-2012 20:10, Chris Blouch skrev:
Dunno if anyone read these articles about using a chorded 6-finger
input system to type on a mobile device. It would seem that it should
be much faster to input this way but they haven't done real
testing/analysis on this. It also requires holding the phone sideways
with the screen pointing away so you can put three fingers on three
dots on either end of the screen. I've always been in favor of
'universal design' where everybody uses the same basic UI so this
seems to go against that. At the same time, if it were 2-3x faster
than the current on screen keyboard input, maybe it would be worth it.

http://hothardware.com/News/Georgia-Tech-iPhone-App-Could-Help-Blind-Users-Text/

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Braille-Touch-app-brings-no-look-typing-to-handsets_id27003

Apparently not available in iTunes Store yet. Won best design in the
Stockholm Mobile HCI [Human Computer Interaction] 2011 conference:

http://www.mobilehci2011.org/node/127

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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

Hallo Esther,

Am 13.02.2012 um 16:19 schrieb Esther:

> The ellipsis character is typed using a keyboard shortcut with the Option 
> key.  On a US or other English language input keyboard, this combination can 
> be typed by pressing Option+semi-colon.  Assuming that you are using a German 
> input language keyboard, this combination can be typed by pressing 
> Option+period. 
> 
Thanks for this. 

> However, a more general way to get the exact menu command you need for a 
> keyboard shortcut is to use VO-Shift-C, which is the VoiceOver shortcut to 
> copy the last spoken phrase to the clipboard.  Then paste in this phrase with 
> Command-V.  I usually paste into a TextEdit window as an intermediate 

That's what I also do but in that special case it doesn't work. Of course it 
works to copy the phrase to the clipboard so that I can paste it. But what 
doesn't work is to create a functioning short cut when a menue command has an 
elipsis. The chosen short cut apears in the system preferences but not in the 
menue of the program. 

Do you have an idea how to solve that issue? Or is it just not possible to 
create short cuts for menue commands with elipsisses?

Thanks and all the best
Jürgen

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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

Hi Ricardo,

thanks for your answer but as I discribed in my e-mail to Esther, it doesn't 
work to create a short cut.

All the best
Jürgen

Am 13.02.2012 um 17:21 schrieb Ricardo Walker:

> Hi,
> 
> open the app and find the menu item you want to make a shortcut for then, 
> when you've navigated to the option in the menu, press VO shift C to copy 
> last phrase to clipboard.  Now you can set up your shortcut in preferences by 
> pasting the name of the item in the menu bar.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:26 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dean,
>> 
>> thanks for your detailed diskription. But I didn't meant the keyboard 
>> commander in VoiceOver.
>> 
>> What I'm looking for is the keyboard section in system preferences. There 
>> you have the possibility to create shortcuts for each command in a programs 
>> menue. Just look at it and try it out. It's wonderful.
>> 
>> But it's not possible to simply give a shortcut to a command with an elipsis 
>> at the end. So again:
>> 
>> Can anyone give me a hint how to create shortcuts for such commands in the 
>> menue?
>> 
>> I'm not sure about it but I think it might have been Esther who posted an 
>> information to that.
>> 
>> Thanks and all the best
>> Jürgen
>> Am 13.02.2012 um 12:19 schrieb Dean Adams:
>> 
>>> Hi Jurgen,
>>> You can assign program short cuts by using the keyboard commanders in 
>>> voice over utility and choose commanders and stop interacting and VO right 
>>> arrow to keyboard and then VO Space bar and then VO right arrow to the 
>>> check box that says use keyboard comanders and press Vo Space bar then Vo 
>>> right arrow to the keyboard commanders table where you can assign quick 
>>> keys to open your most used programs. You will find ones there for safari 
>>> and mail by default the keyboard commanders uses the right option key then 
>>> a key of your own choosing, but there are already some being used like s 
>>> and the right option key for safari and m and the right option key for 
>>> mail. First interact with the keyboard commanders table and check what keys 
>>> are being used you can Vo up and down arrow to check which keys are already 
>>> being used and to check which actions are being activated by VO right arrow 
>>> to the action for each key so for example once you have interacted with the 
>>> commanders table VO up and down arrow till it says the S key then VO right 
>>> arrow till it says command open program safari, you can only use one key 
>>> for each action. To add another action for two key press actions do the 
>>> following.
>>> Stop interacting with the keyboard commanders table and VO right arrow to 
>>> the add button it will then automatically land you on the keyboard 
>>> commanders table press the key you want to use like I use the letter e for 
>>> text edit, then you have to interact with the keyboard commanders table 
>>> where you have just put the e for text edit then make sure you are on the e 
>>> in the table then VO right arrow to the next section which is command menu 
>>> press VO Space bar and then VO down Arrow till it says custom commands VO 
>>> right arrow it will say open program press VO Space bar then VO right arrow 
>>> till you get to the browse area then interact and find text edit stop 
>>> interacting and then VO right arrow to the Open default button and there 
>>> you go you have created a two key short cut to text edit . So to go to text 
>>> edit you only have to press the right option key and the E key . You can do 
>>> this for as many times as you want but you can only use 1 letter for each 
>>> operation . I have done this for skype text edit Vlc player mac mail and 
>>> safari and DVD player.
>>> Hope this is not to long winded .
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
>>> breezepa...@gmail.com
>>> phone: 0243206031
>>> Mobile: 0428133758
>>> Skype : deanadams9
>>> 
>>> On 13/02/2012, at 9:43 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 in system preferences there is a possibility to create your own shortcuts 
 for each program. That works fine. But only for commands without … (three 
 dots) at the end. 
 
 I remember once someone posted a solution for that but can't find it 
 anymore. 
 
 So can anyone tell me how to create shortcuts for commands in a menue like 
 "Silents  …".
 
 Thanks and all the best
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Re: BrailleTouch iPhone App

Hi Chris,

I heard about this from Dónal Fitzpatrick in the category of most interesting 
conference results that he couldn't talk about in detail, so I'll be looking 
forward to this.  Thanks for the heads up.  There's also been recent coverage 
at Ars Technica:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/02/brailletouch-keyboard-allows-typing-on-a-phone-without-looking.ars

On a slightly different but related topic, I don't believe you're on the 
viphone list, so you may not have read about the discussion of the  
"TypeinBraille" app last November, although Ed Worrell also sent an 
announcement post to this list.  This is an app that was put out by the same 
people who made the "Light Detector" app.  Their company, EveryWare 
Technologies, is a spin-off formed by  researchers at the University of Milan.  
The app is the result of their experiments to find a method of quick typing 
input by blind smartphone users, and one that is complementary to the VoiceOver 
interface on the iPhone.  (Specifically, they wanted an input that can be used 
in noisy situations where listening for feedback is difficult, or where precise 
use of the virtual keyboard is hard because, for example, you may be on a 
moving bus.)

The solution they adopted was based on the Braille input experience, because 
this was targeted for totally blind users to quickly gain proficiency.  But 
what's interesting is that because they use portrait view and the standard 
iPhone orientation interface, they lay out the cells horizontally so that the 
input is 3 rows of 2 dots. Top to bottom: dots
1 4
2 5
3 6

You tap the screen to begin brailling and use 1 tap for 1 dot, 2-finger tap for 
2 dots, 3-finger tap for no dots.

It's a bit of a shift, but fast to pick up.  You can read the PDF file 
reporting their original research tests (in English):

The TypeInBraille app is available internationally from the App Store:
• TypeInBraille ($4.99) by EveryWare Technologies

They also have help files:
http://www.everywaretechnologies.com/apps/typeinbraille/help

Not at the scope of the Georgia Tech effort, but perhaps of interest to those 
who have not followed the viphone list discussions about this app.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther 

On Feb 21, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Dunno if anyone read these articles about using a chorded 6-finger input 
> system to type on a mobile device. It would seem that it should be much 
> faster to input this way but they haven't done real testing/analysis on this. 
> It also requires holding the phone sideways with the screen pointing away so 
> you can put three fingers on three dots on either end of the screen. I've 
> always been in favor of 'universal design' where everybody uses the same 
> basic UI so this seems to go against that. At the same time, if it were 2-3x 
> faster than the current on screen keyboard input, maybe it would be worth it.
> 
> http://hothardware.com/News/Georgia-Tech-iPhone-App-Could-Help-Blind-Users-Text/
> http://www.phonearena.com/news/Braille-Touch-app-brings-no-look-typing-to-handsets_id27003
> 
> Apparently not available in iTunes Store yet. Won best design in the 
> Stockholm Mobile HCI [Human Computer Interaction] 2011 conference:
> 
> http://www.mobilehci2011.org/node/127
> 
> CB
> 

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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

Hi,

I created a keyboard shortctu for system preferences with no problem.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Feb 21, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> Hi Ricardo,
> 
> thanks for your answer but as I discribed in my e-mail to Esther, it doesn't 
> work to create a short cut.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> Am 13.02.2012 um 17:21 schrieb Ricardo Walker:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> open the app and find the menu item you want to make a shortcut for then, 
>> when you've navigated to the option in the menu, press VO shift C to copy 
>> last phrase to clipboard.  Now you can set up your shortcut in preferences 
>> by pasting the name of the item in the menu bar.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:26 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Dean,
>>> 
>>> thanks for your detailed diskription. But I didn't meant the keyboard 
>>> commander in VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> What I'm looking for is the keyboard section in system preferences. There 
>>> you have the possibility to create shortcuts for each command in a programs 
>>> menue. Just look at it and try it out. It's wonderful.
>>> 
>>> But it's not possible to simply give a shortcut to a command with an 
>>> elipsis at the end. So again:
>>> 
>>> Can anyone give me a hint how to create shortcuts for such commands in the 
>>> menue?
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure about it but I think it might have been Esther who posted an 
>>> information to that.
>>> 
>>> Thanks and all the best
>>> Jürgen
>>> Am 13.02.2012 um 12:19 schrieb Dean Adams:
>>> 
 Hi Jurgen,
You can assign program short cuts by using the keyboard commanders in 
 voice over utility and choose commanders and stop interacting and VO right 
 arrow to keyboard and then VO Space bar and then VO right arrow to the 
 check box that says use keyboard comanders and press Vo Space bar then Vo 
 right arrow to the keyboard commanders table where you can assign quick 
 keys to open your most used programs. You will find ones there for safari 
 and mail by default the keyboard commanders uses the right option key then 
 a key of your own choosing, but there are already some being used like s 
 and the right option key for safari and m and the right option key for 
 mail. First interact with the keyboard commanders table and check what 
 keys are being used you can Vo up and down arrow to check which keys are 
 already being used and to check which actions are being activated by VO 
 right arrow to the action for each key so for example once you have 
 interacted with the commanders table VO up and down arrow till it says the 
 S key then VO right arrow till it says command open program safari, you 
 can only use one key for each action. To add another action for two key 
 press actions do the following.
 Stop interacting with the keyboard commanders table and VO right arrow to 
 the add button it will then automatically land you on the keyboard 
 commanders table press the key you want to use like I use the letter e for 
 text edit, then you have to interact with the keyboard commanders table 
 where you have just put the e for text edit then make sure you are on the 
 e in the table then VO right arrow to the next section which is command 
 menu press VO Space bar and then VO down Arrow till it says custom 
 commands VO right arrow it will say open program press VO Space bar then 
 VO right arrow till you get to the browse area then interact and find text 
 edit stop interacting and then VO right arrow to the Open default button 
 and there you go you have created a two key short cut to text edit . So to 
 go to text edit you only have to press the right option key and the E key 
 . You can do this for as many times as you want but you can only use 1 
 letter for each operation . I have done this for skype text edit Vlc 
 player mac mail and safari and DVD player.
 Hope this is not to long winded .
 
 
 Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
 breezepa...@gmail.com
 phone: 0243206031
 Mobile: 0428133758
 Skype : deanadams9
 
 On 13/02/2012, at 9:43 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> in system preferences there is a possibility to create your own shortcuts 
> for each program. That works fine. But only for commands without … (three 
> dots) at the end. 
> 
> I remember once someone posted a solution for that but can't find it 
> anymore. 
> 
> So can anyone tell me how to create shortcuts for commands in a menue 
> like "Silents  …".
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Re: Is there an alternative to Winscp for the mac that is accessible

2012-02-21 Thread Emrah

Webdrive for Mac allows you to mount  remote FTP, SFTP and Webdav servers and 
have them appear in your Finder as volumes.
Very nice app with a good cache management.

Link here:
http://www.webdrive.com/products/webdrive/mac/index.html


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Albert Einstein

On Feb 21, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Nice. Already downloaded, installed and shared with friends on some other 
> mailing lists.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 2/21/12 12:41 PM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dean and Chris,
>> 
>> There's a very useful free utility at the Mac App Store called "Go2Shell". 
>> Here's the recent TUAW description:
>> 
>> Go2Shell is a tiny little 0.3MB app available for free from the Mac App 
>> Store that has the potential to speed up your work-flow if it involves 
>> Terminal. Go2Shell simply launches a Terminal session with the current 
>> folder you're navigating in Finder, or the folder that Go2Shell is located 
>> in, open for work. It even supports iTerm, iTerm 2 and xterm if you're not a 
>> fan of Apple's own-brand Terminal.
>> 
>> It's so simple, it's almost beautiful and if you happen to have to modify 
>> files in Terminal, or any other similar task, Go2Shell could be just ticket 
>> to save you time.
>> 
>> Go2Shell is a great free download from the Mac App Store that does one thing 
>> and one thing well. So if you're a Terminal guru (even the app's preferences 
>> are accessed through the command line) then give Go2Shell a whirl. You might 
>> like it.
>> 
>> 
>> Here's the link to the Go2Shell program at the Mac App Store:
>> http://itunes.apple.com/app/go2shell/id445770608?mt=12
>> 
>> When you are doing an scp, ssh, or sftp to work with files that are in are 
>> particular folder or directory,  this saves you from having to use the "cd" 
>> command to navigate to that folder in Terminal. Instead, you're placed in 
>> the folder you want when you use Go2Shell from the GUI.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> It's very much like linux in that they are both unix variants. I've never 
>>> used the ? with man so I'm not sure what that should do. I usually just do 
>>> "man ping" or "man netstat" to get details. If I'm not sure what the 
>>> command is called I use "man -k speech" to look up anything related, which 
>>> in this case notes that there is a "say" command.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 2/21/12 5:19 AM, Dean Adams wrote:
 
 Hi CB,
  Thanks for the tip to get the info from a man page is it like linux by 
 putting a question mark after the man command in terminal I have searched 
 the net for examples and have found most things like ping and netstat and 
 so on will search for termanil commands . Again many thanks.
 
 
 
 On 21/02/2012, at 4:11 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
 
> If you bring up terminal I think you will find everything you need there. 
> Just use the "man" command to get more info on all the unix commands 
> including ssh, sftp, scp, rsync etc.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 2/20/12 8:19 AM, Dean Adams wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>>  I have found most apps that I need for my tasks on the new macbook pro 
>> but the only thing I am missing is an alternative to a windows program 
>> called Win scp so I can ssh into several servers I have to upload files 
>> to on a regular basis . I am trying not to touch my windows laptop when 
>> I hope there is an accessible ssh client for the mac . Any help  
>>finding an alternative would be much appreciated. 
>> 
>> Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
>> breezepa...@gmail.com
>> phone: 0243206031
>> Mobile: 0428133758
>> Skype : deanadams9
>> 
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

Hello Jürgen,

To create keyboard shortcuts of those menu options which end with an ellipsis, 
in Snow Leopard and Lion you navigate to System  Preferences > Keyboard > 
Keyboard Shortcuts (tab 2 of 2) and select the option from a table.  

1. If the menu command is for a specific application, navigate to the 
"Shortcuts categories" table and interact, then select "Application Shortcuts". 

2. Stop interacting and navigate to the "Add an application shortcut" button 
and press (VO-Space).  
3. In the dialog window, change the pop up menu button for the application from 
"All Applications" to the one that you want (e.g., VO-Space and use arrow keys 
and/or type the first letters of the name, like "i t" for iTunes), and press 
return.  
4. Then type in the name of the command you want in the text box for "Menu 
Title:".  For example, I created a shortcut for the "Page Setup…" option in the 
File menu of iTunes this way.  (It's something that I'd never want to use, and 
I'm going to get rid of it right away, but it shows this method works).  I 
typed in "Page Setup…" using the Option+semi-colon shortcut to type the 
ellipsis at the end of "Setup".  
5. Then I typed in a keyboard shortcut, Shift-Control-Option-Command-P, and 
pressed the "Add" button.
6. I closed the Keyboard  window with Command-W.  

Sure enough, if I'm in the iTunes app, pressing this combination brings up the 
Page Setup window.  However, I immediately went back to the page to delete this 
shortcut, since I'm never going to use it and just tried this out to make sure 
I could assign a shortcut this way.  If the menu option only appears for a 
specific application, then you have to select that application before trying to 
assign the shortcut.  I believe there are "Page Setup…" menu options for other 
applications, but you'll have to set up your shortcut again for those 
applications. 

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> Hallo Esther,
> 
> Am 13.02.2012 um 16:19 schrieb Esther:
> 
>> The ellipsis character is typed using a keyboard shortcut with the Option 
>> key.  On a US or other English language input keyboard, this combination can 
>> be typed by pressing Option+semi-colon.  Assuming that you are using a 
>> German input language keyboard, this combination can be typed by pressing 
>> Option+period. 
>> 
> Thanks for this. 
> 
>> However, a more general way to get the exact menu command you need for a 
>> keyboard shortcut is to use VO-Shift-C, which is the VoiceOver shortcut to 
>> copy the last spoken phrase to the clipboard.  Then paste in this phrase 
>> with Command-V.  I usually paste into a TextEdit window as an intermediate 
> 
> That's what I also do but in that special case it doesn't work. Of course it 
> works to copy the phrase to the clipboard so that I can paste it. But what 
> doesn't work is to create a functioning short cut when a menue command has an 
> elipsis. The chosen short cut apears in the system preferences but not in the 
> menue of the program. 
> 
> Do you have an idea how to solve that issue? Or is it just not possible to 
> create short cuts for menue commands with elipsisses?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
> 

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Re: BrailleTouch iPhone App

Thanks, as always, for the additional detail. I would also like to
subscribe to the viphone list but I have a hard enough time keeping up
with this one, and my phone questions are far fewer than my Mac ones.

On 2/21/12 3:07 PM, Esther wrote:

Hi Chris,

I heard about this from Dónal Fitzpatrick in the category of most
interesting conference results that he couldn't talk about in detail,
so I'll be looking forward to this. Thanks for the heads up. There's
also been recent coverage at Ars Technica:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/02/brailletouch-keyboard-allows-typing-on-a-phone-without-looking.ars

On a slightly different but related topic, I don't believe you're on
the viphone list, so you may not have read about the discussion of the
"TypeinBraille" app last November, although Ed Worrell also sent an
announcement post to this list. This is an app that was put out by
the same people who made the "Light Detector" app. Their company,
EveryWare Technologies, is a spin-off formed by researchers at the
University of Milan. The app is the result of their experiments to
find a method of quick typing input by blind smartphone users, and one
that is complementary to the VoiceOver interface on the iPhone.
(Specifically, they wanted an input that can be used in noisy
situations where listening for feedback is difficult, or where precise
use of the virtual keyboard is hard because, for example, you may be
on a moving bus.)

The solution they adopted was based on the Braille input experience,
because this was targeted for totally blind users to quickly gain
proficiency. But what's interesting is that because they use portrait
view and the standard iPhone orientation interface, they lay out the
cells horizontally so that the input is 3 rows of 2 dots. Top to
bottom: dots

1 4
2 5
3 6

You tap the screen to begin brailling and use 1 tap for 1 dot,
2-finger tap for 2 dots, 3-finger tap for no dots.

It's a bit of a shift, but fast to pick up. You can read the PDF file
reporting their original research tests (in English):
>

The TypeInBraille app is available internationally from the App Store:
• TypeInBraille ($4.99) by EveryWare Technologies

They also have help files:
http://www.everywaretechnologies.com/apps/typeinbraille/help

Not at the scope of the Georgia Tech effort, but perhaps of interest
to those who have not followed the viphone list discussions about this
app.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 21, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

Dunno if anyone read these articles about using a chorded 6-finger
input system to type on a mobile device. It would seem that it should
be much faster to input this way but they haven't done real
testing/analysis on this. It also requires holding the phone sideways
with the screen pointing away so you can put three fingers on three
dots on either end of the screen. I've always been in favor of
'universal design' where everybody uses the same basic UI so this
seems to go against that. At the same time, if it were 2-3x faster
than the current on screen keyboard input, maybe it would be worth it.

http://hothardware.com/News/Georgia-Tech-iPhone-App-Could-Help-Blind-Users-Text/
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Braille-Touch-app-brings-no-look-typing-to-handsets_id27003

Apparently not available in iTunes Store yet. Won best design in the
Stockholm Mobile HCI [Human Computer Interaction] 2011 conference:

http://www.mobilehci2011.org/node/127

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Re: Is there an alternative to Winscp for the mac that is accessible

Hi Emrah,

I haven't updated my version of ExpanDrive, but this application gets better 
reviews at Macupdate than Webdrive for Mac does, for the same functionality 
(using a Finder interface).  It does cost $39.95 vs. Webdrive for Mac's $19.95, 
however.  There's a 30-day free trial, so you could compare the two.  Here's 
the URL:
http://www.expandrive.com/

The descriptions of the two applications at Macupdate, with user comments:
• Webdrive for Mac:
http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/32575/webdrive
• ExpanDrive:
http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/26992/expandrive

HTH. Cheers,

Esther


On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Emrah wrote:

> Webdrive for Mac allows you to mount  remote FTP, SFTP and Webdav servers and 
> have them appear in your Finder as volumes.
> Very nice app with a good cache management.
> 
> Link here:
> http://www.webdrive.com/products/webdrive/mac/index.html
> 
> 
> --
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> 
> “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” 
> Albert Einstein
> 
> On Feb 21, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
>> Nice. Already downloaded, installed and shared with friends on some other 
>> mailing lists.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 2/21/12 12:41 PM, Esther wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Dean and Chris,
>>> 
>>> There's a very useful free utility at the Mac App Store called "Go2Shell". 
>>> Here's the recent TUAW description:
>>> 
>>> Go2Shell is a tiny little 0.3MB app available for free from the Mac App 
>>> Store that has the potential to speed up your work-flow if it involves 
>>> Terminal. Go2Shell simply launches a Terminal session with the current 
>>> folder you're navigating in Finder, or the folder that Go2Shell is located 
>>> in, open for work. It even supports iTerm, iTerm 2 and xterm if you're not 
>>> a fan of Apple's own-brand Terminal.
>>> 
>>> It's so simple, it's almost beautiful and if you happen to have to modify 
>>> files in Terminal, or any other similar task, Go2Shell could be just ticket 
>>> to save you time.
>>> 
>>> Go2Shell is a great free download from the Mac App Store that does 
>>> one thing and one thing well. So if you're a Terminal guru (even 
>>> the app's preferences are accessed through the command line) then give 
>>> Go2Shell a whirl. You might like it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here's the link to the Go2Shell program at the Mac App Store:
>>> http://itunes.apple.com/app/go2shell/id445770608?mt=12
>>> 
>>> When you are doing an scp, ssh, or sftp to work with files that are in are 
>>> particular folder or directory,  this saves you from having to use the "cd" 
>>> command to navigate to that folder in Terminal. Instead, you're placed in 
>>> the folder you want when you use Go2Shell from the GUI.
>>> 
>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>> 
 It's very much like linux in that they are both unix variants. I've never 
 used the ? with man so I'm not sure what that should do. I usually just do 
 "man ping" or "man netstat" to get details. If I'm not sure what the 
 command is called I use "man -k speech" to look up anything related, which 
 in this case notes that there is a "say" command.
 
 CB
 
 On 2/21/12 5:19 AM, Dean Adams wrote:
> 
> Hi CB,
>  Thanks for the tip to get the info from a man page is it like linux by 
> putting a question mark after the man command in terminal I have searched 
> the net for examples and have found most things like ping and netstat and 
> so on will search for termanil commands . Again many thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> On 21/02/2012, at 4:11 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
>> If you bring up terminal I think you will find everything you need 
>> there. Just use the "man" command to get more info on all the unix 
>> commands including ssh, sftp, scp, rsync etc.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 2/20/12 8:19 AM, Dean Adams wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>>  I have found most apps that I need for my tasks on the new macbook pro 
>>> but the only thing I am missing is an alternative to a windows program 
>>> called Win scp so I can ssh into several servers I have to upload files 
>>> to on a regular basis . I am trying not to touch my windows laptop when 
>>> I hope there is an accessible ssh client for the mac . Any help finding 
>>> an alternative would be much appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
>>> breezepa...@gmail.com
>>> phone: 0243206031
>>> Mobile: 0428133758
>>> Skype : deanadams9
>>> 
>>> 

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Re: com.apple and terminal

Hi CB,
I found a page full of tweaks for osx, and in there, many times, the com.apple 
object comes by. So is it something on disk in a normal file? So a p list is a 
property list? And another coin drops into place. And yes, the defaults command 
is closely related every time. I'll read on about that to get a better 
understanding of it all. Thanks.
Paul.
On Feb 21, 2012, at 6:35 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> You must be poking around in your preferences folder. These usually 
> preferences settings such as com.apple.recentitems.plist. Some are in XML 
> while others are in a binary format which is not "human readable". In either 
> case you can use the Property List Editor included with XCode which gives you 
> a nice hierarchical list of all the settings inside a plist file. I think the 
> editor is the default app to open a plist file, at at least it is for me. 
> From the terminal you can also play with the "defaults" command which lets 
> you read/write attributes in a plist. Just do a "man defaults" for details. 
> For example, "defaults read com.apple.recentitems" would output to your 
> termial all the settings store in the com.apple.recentitems.plist.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 2/21/12 11:42 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:
>> Dear listers,
>> 
>> When examining commands for the mac command line, I keep coming across 
>> com.apple. I think it is some kind of object that has properties. What does 
>> this thing do? Where do I find documentation about this? Man doesn't have an 
>> explanation as far as I can see. Can anyone help me get started a little 
>> bit? Do I set object properties in front or after com.apple?
>> Paul.
>> 
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Re: BrailleTouch iPhone App

True, but at some level there is a desire to allow anyone to use the 
same interface. So whether I tap around the screen or do split taps and 
flicks to move focus, it's still the same interface. It gets a little 
weirder when talking about a virtual keyboard because it's not really 
part of the application's designed experience as a shared input 
mechanism. At the same time, that mechanisim also has a user experience 
which may be better or worse usability for some. So is it better, on the 
whole, to enable that input mechanisim to be used by anyone or do you 
provide an alternate experience that is tailored more towards a certain 
class of users? I think universal design would point towards the shared 
experience being the best in the long run. For better or for worse 
everybody can help everybody else because it's the same UI. I've run 
into plenty of 'separate but equal' UIs for accessibility which never 
got much love after launch leaving users who rely on them as second 
class citizens.


CB

On 2/21/12 2:43 PM, Claus Thøgersen wrote:

Hi,

Actually universal design does not mean that everybody is forced to 
use the same UI, rather the  other way around, that an app or  the 
product you are designing must meet users way of using the device, and 
that real world users use devices in many different ways.


Claus


Den 21-02-2012 20:10, Chris Blouch skrev:
Dunno if anyone read these articles about using a chorded 6-finger 
input system to type on a mobile device. It would seem that it should 
be much faster to input this way but they haven't done real 
testing/analysis on this. It also requires holding the phone sideways 
with the screen pointing away so you can put three fingers on three 
dots on either end of the screen. I've always been in favor of 
'universal design' where everybody uses the same basic UI so this 
seems to go against that. At the same time, if it were 2-3x faster 
than the current on screen keyboard input, maybe it would be worth it.


http://hothardware.com/News/Georgia-Tech-iPhone-App-Could-Help-Blind-Users-Text/ 

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Braille-Touch-app-brings-no-look-typing-to-handsets_id27003 



Apparently not available in iTunes Store yet. Won best design in the 
Stockholm Mobile HCI [Human Computer Interaction] 2011 conference:


http://www.mobilehci2011.org/node/127

CB





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Re: com.apple and terminal

Yup, it's a file on your hard drive someplace. Usually in the preference
folder inside the Library folder. There are two sets. One is at the top
level of the hard drive /Library/Preferences and the other is in your
user folder /Users/username/Library/Preferences. As is implied by the
folders, changes made at the top level apply to everyone while changes
in the users instance just apply to that user. Folks are always poking
through those files trying to hunt down secret features that Apple might
not have turned on.

On 2/21/12 3:58 PM, Paul Erkens wrote:

Hi CB,
I found a page full of tweaks for osx, and in there, many times, the com.apple
object comes by. So is it something on disk in a normal file? So a p list is a
property list? And another coin drops into place. And yes, the defaults command
is closely related every time. I'll read on about that to get a better
understanding of it all. Thanks.
Paul.
On Feb 21, 2012, at 6:35 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

You must be poking around in your preferences folder. These usually preferences settings such as
com.apple.recentitems.plist. Some are in XML while others are in a binary format which is not "human
readable". In either case you can use the Property List Editor included with XCode which gives you a nice
hierarchical list of all the settings inside a plist file. I think the editor is the default app to open a plist file,
at at least it is for me. From the terminal you can also play with the "defaults" command which lets you
read/write attributes in a plist. Just do a "man defaults" for details. For example, "defaults read
com.apple.recentitems" would output to your termial all the settings store in the com.apple.recentitems.plist.

On 2/21/12 11:42 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

Dear listers,

When examining commands for the mac command line, I keep coming across
com.apple. I think it is some kind of object that has properties. What does
this thing do? Where do I find documentation about this? Man doesn't have an
explanation as far as I can see. Can anyone help me get started a little bit?
Do I set object properties in front or after com.apple?
Paul.

fn key on the full sized keyboard

Hi all,  I need to know, where is the fn key on a full sized apple keyboard?

Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
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Re: fn key on the full sized keyboard

2012-02-21 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

FM key is on the bottom left hand corner left of the control key.

Kawal.
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> Hi all,  I need to know, where is the fn key on a full sized apple keyboard?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: Is there an alternative to Winscp for the mac that is accessible

Some folks on another mailing list pointed out that there is a New 
Terminal at Folder keyboard shortcut available in the Keyboard Shortcuts 
Services list in the Keyboard preferences. That said I wasn't able to 
find a key combination that wasn't already taken.


CB

On 2/21/12 1:02 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
Nice. Already downloaded, installed and shared with friends on some 
other mailing lists.


CB

On 2/21/12 12:41 PM, Esther wrote:

Hi Dean and Chris,

There's a very useful free utility at the Mac App Store called 
"Go2Shell". Here's the recent TUAW description:


Go2Shell is a tiny little 0.3MB app available for free from the Mac 
App Store that has the potential to speed up your work-flow if it 
involves Terminal. Go2Shell simply launches a Terminal session with 
the current folder you're navigating in Finder, or the folder that 
Go2Shell is located in, open for work. It even supports iTerm, iTerm 
2 and xterm if you're not a fan of Apple's own-brand Terminal.


It's so simple, it's almost beautiful and if you happen to have to 
modify files in Terminal, or any other similar task, Go2Shell could 
be just ticket to save you time.


Go2Shell is a great free download from the Mac App Store that does 
one thing and one thing well. So if you're a Terminal guru (even the 
app's preferences are accessed through the command line) then give 
Go2Shell a whirl. You might like it.



Here's the link to the Go2Shell program at the Mac App Store:
http://itunes.apple.com/app/go2shell/id445770608?mt=12

When you are doing an scp, ssh, or sftp to work with files that are 
in are particular folder or directory,  this saves you from having to 
use the "cd" command to navigate to that folder in Terminal. Instead, 
you're placed in the folder you want when you use Go2Shell from the GUI.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 21, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

It's very much like linux in that they are both unix variants. I've 
never used the ? with man so I'm not sure what that should do. I 
usually just do "man ping" or "man netstat" to get details. If I'm 
not sure what the command is called I use "man -k speech" to look up 
anything related, which in this case notes that there is a "say" 
command.


CB

On 2/21/12 5:19 AM, Dean Adams wrote:

Hi CB,
Thanks for the tip to get the info from a man page is it like linux 
by putting a question mark after the man command in terminal I have 
searched the net for examples and have found most things like ping 
and netstat and so on will search for termanil commands . Again 
many thanks.




On 21/02/2012, at 4:11 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

If you bring up terminal I think you will find everything you need 
there. Just use the "man" command to get more info on all the unix 
commands including ssh, sftp, scp, rsync etc.


CB

On 2/20/12 8:19 AM, Dean Adams wrote:

Hi All,
I have found most apps that I need for my tasks on the new 
macbook pro but the only thing I am missing is an alternative to 
a windows program called Win scp so I can ssh into several 
servers I have to upload files to on a regular basis . I am 
trying not to touch my windows laptop when I hope there is an 
accessible ssh client for the mac . Any help finding an 
alternative would be much appreciated.


Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
breezepa...@gmail.com 
phone: 0243206031
Mobile: 0428133758
Skype : deanadams9



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Re: numbers

Hi Rafael,

I tried Tables and it's much faster to work with then with Numbers. But what I 
didn't understand was how to read text in a cell. I pressed F2 to edit the cell 
and couldn't have VO to read text by pressing arrow keys. Did I something wrong 
or does Tables not support VO that much?

All the best Jürgen
Am 20.02.2012 um 18:24 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.:

> If your spreadsheet needs are not very complicated, you might wish to 
> consider Tables.  It's the spreadsheet app that I use on the Mac, and I 
> really like it.  It has all the usual functions, and you can enter your own 
> formulae, as well.  You can save your work as xl files, too.  Creating graphs 
> is somewhat limited, however.
> 
> Rafael Bejarano
> On Feb 20, 2012, at 10:16 AM, May McDonald wrote:
> 
> Good day everyone.
> 
> Well, I guess I can't avoid it any longer. Drn school stuff. Is there a place 
> where I could find tutorials on how to use numbers? Or can anyone recommend a 
> good program that handles excel files if numbers is not the best to use?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> May and Prince Noah
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Re: Reading PDFs?

2012-02-21 Thread Kirsten Edmondson

I have started selecting the file I want from the folder by interacting with 
the table and putting the cursor on the file and then uninteracting. I then go 
VO+m and into open with. This brings up a list of programs, I think the first 
one is preview and that's selected, you want to select something like Safari or 
Chrome if you have it, press enter and it'll open fine. Much easier to read. 
You have to do it every time though, as I haven't worked out how to set it to 
open PDFs that way as default. 

On 21 Feb 2012, at 03:52, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.
> Are there any tricks to reading PDF's with OS Lion?  I wasn't able to review 
> anything, I could just let preview read the entire document. I could go word 
> by word with the track pad,but that is not a very pleasurable way to go 
> through a long document you need to read slowly.  Figured there must 
> something I'm missing.
> Any help appreciated.
> Bill
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

Hello Esther,

thanks for your efforts. But still strange: I did it point by point as you did 
and it doesn't work for me and Amadeus Pro. I can add a new created short cut 
in system preferences and it doesn't apear in the menue of Amadeus Pro and of 
course it doesn't work as well. 

I'm not sure why it doesn't work but will investigate that issue. But now I 
know at least it works at all.

Thanks again for your help and
all the best
Jürgen
Am 21.02.2012 um 21:40 schrieb Esther:

> Hello Jürgen,
> 
> To create keyboard shortcuts of those menu options which end with an 
> ellipsis, in Snow Leopard and Lion you navigate to System  Preferences > 
> Keyboard > Keyboard Shortcuts (tab 2 of 2) and select the option from a 
> table.  
> 
> 1. If the menu command is for a specific application, navigate to the 
> "Shortcuts categories" table and interact, then select "Application 
> Shortcuts".  
> 2. Stop interacting and navigate to the "Add an application shortcut" button 
> and press (VO-Space).  
> 3. In the dialog window, change the pop up menu button for the application 
> from "All Applications" to the one that you want (e.g., VO-Space and use 
> arrow keys and/or type the first letters of the name, like "i t" for iTunes), 
> and press return.  
> 4. Then type in the name of the command you want in the text box for "Menu 
> Title:".  For example, I created a shortcut for the "Page Setup…" option in 
> the File menu of iTunes this way.  (It's something that I'd never want to 
> use, and I'm going to get rid of it right away, but it shows this method 
> works).  I typed in "Page Setup…" using the Option+semi-colon shortcut to 
> type the ellipsis at the end of "Setup".  
> 5. Then I typed in a keyboard shortcut, Shift-Control-Option-Command-P, and 
> pressed the "Add" button.
> 6. I closed the Keyboard  window with Command-W.  
> 
> Sure enough, if I'm in the iTunes app, pressing this combination brings up 
> the Page Setup window.  However, I immediately went back to the page to 
> delete this shortcut, since I'm never going to use it and just tried this out 
> to make sure I could assign a shortcut this way.  If the menu option only 
> appears for a specific application, then you have to select that application 
> before trying to assign the shortcut.  I believe there are "Page Setup…" menu 
> options for other applications, but you'll have to set up your shortcut again 
> for those applications. 
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
> 
>> Hallo Esther,
>> 
>> Am 13.02.2012 um 16:19 schrieb Esther:
>> 
>>> The ellipsis character is typed using a keyboard shortcut with the Option 
>>> key.  On a US or other English language input keyboard, this combination 
>>> can be typed by pressing Option+semi-colon.  Assuming that you are using a 
>>> German input language keyboard, this combination can be typed by pressing 
>>> Option+period. 
>>> 
>> Thanks for this. 
>> 
>>> However, a more general way to get the exact menu command you need for a 
>>> keyboard shortcut is to use VO-Shift-C, which is the VoiceOver shortcut to 
>>> copy the last spoken phrase to the clipboard.  Then paste in this phrase 
>>> with Command-V.  I usually paste into a TextEdit window as an intermediate 
>> 
>> That's what I also do but in that special case it doesn't work. Of course it 
>> works to copy the phrase to the clipboard so that I can paste it. But what 
>> doesn't work is to create a functioning short cut when a menue command has 
>> an elipsis. The chosen short cut apears in the system preferences but not in 
>> the menue of the program. 
>> 
>> Do you have an idea how to solve that issue? Or is it just not possible to 
>> create short cuts for menue commands with elipsisses?
>> 
>> Thanks and all the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
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Secure phone book app for iphone

2012-02-21 Thread Ed Worrell

Hello Listers, here is my question. Is there a secure phone book app that will 
allow me to set a password so no one can look at my clients phone numbers? I am 
starting to contract with the state and I would like to keep clients phone 
numbers on my phone and not let them be seen by prying eyes…
TIA
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

Hello Jürgen,

Make sure that the keyboard shortcut you are assigning does not conflict with 
an existing shortcut definition that applies either to that application or 
system wide on your Mac.  One of the reason that I use so many modifier keys in 
the example shortcut, is that you quickly run out of unique combinations.  
That's also why I make new shortcut definitions sparingly, and delete the ones 
that I set up as test cases.

Just out of curiosity, which command did you want to create a shortcut for?  
I'm working with a new installation under Lion, and don't have apps like 
Amadeus Pro loaded yet (this is a MacBook Air with less disk space than I had 
previously), so I can't run tests to answer questions while I'm still getting 
my system configured and transitioned to Lion.  

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:01 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> Hello Esther,
> 
> thanks for your efforts. But still strange: I did it point by point as you 
> did and it doesn't work for me and Amadeus Pro. I can add a new created short 
> cut in system preferences and it doesn't apear in the menue of Amadeus Pro 
> and of course it doesn't work as well. 
> 
> I'm not sure why it doesn't work but will investigate that issue. But now I 
> know at least it works at all.
> 
> Thanks again for your help and
> all the best
> Jürgen
> Am 21.02.2012 um 21:40 schrieb Esther:
> 
>> Hello Jürgen,
>> 
>> To create keyboard shortcuts of those menu options which end with an 
>> ellipsis, in Snow Leopard and Lion you navigate to System  Preferences > 
>> Keyboard > Keyboard Shortcuts (tab 2 of 2) and select the option from a 
>> table.  
>> 
>> 1. If the menu command is for a specific application, navigate to the 
>> "Shortcuts categories" table and interact, then select "Application 
>> Shortcuts".  
>> 2. Stop interacting and navigate to the "Add an application shortcut" button 
>> and press (VO-Space).  
>> 3. In the dialog window, change the pop up menu button for the application 
>> from "All Applications" to the one that you want (e.g., VO-Space and use 
>> arrow keys and/or type the first letters of the name, like "i t" for 
>> iTunes), and press return.  
>> 4. Then type in the name of the command you want in the text box for "Menu 
>> Title:".  For example, I created a shortcut for the "Page Setup…" option in 
>> the File menu of iTunes this way.  (It's something that I'd never want to 
>> use, and I'm going to get rid of it right away, but it shows this method 
>> works).  I typed in "Page Setup…" using the Option+semi-colon shortcut to 
>> type the ellipsis at the end of "Setup".  
>> 5. Then I typed in a keyboard shortcut, Shift-Control-Option-Command-P, and 
>> pressed the "Add" button.
>> 6. I closed the Keyboard  window with Command-W.  
>> 
>> Sure enough, if I'm in the iTunes app, pressing this combination brings up 
>> the Page Setup window.  However, I immediately went back to the page to 
>> delete this shortcut, since I'm never going to use it and just tried this 
>> out to make sure I could assign a shortcut this way.  If the menu option 
>> only appears for a specific application, then you have to select that 
>> application before trying to assign the shortcut.  I believe there are "Page 
>> Setup…" menu options for other applications, but you'll have to set up your 
>> shortcut again for those applications. 
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>> 
>>> Hallo Esther,
>>> 
>>> Am 13.02.2012 um 16:19 schrieb Esther:
>>> 
 The ellipsis character is typed using a keyboard shortcut with the Option 
 key.  On a US or other English language input keyboard, this combination 
 can be typed by pressing Option+semi-colon.  Assuming that you are using a 
 German input language keyboard, this combination can be typed by pressing 
 Option+period. 
 
>>> Thanks for this. 
>>> 
 However, a more general way to get the exact menu command you need for a 
 keyboard shortcut is to use VO-Shift-C, which is the VoiceOver shortcut to 
 copy the last spoken phrase to the clipboard.  Then paste in this phrase 
 with Command-V.  I usually paste into a TextEdit window as an intermediate 
>>> 
>>> That's what I also do but in that special case it doesn't work. Of course 
>>> it works to copy the phrase to the clipboard so that I can paste it. But 
>>> what doesn't work is to create a functioning short cut when a menue command 
>>> has an elipsis. The chosen short cut apears in the system preferences but 
>>> not in the menue of the program. 
>>> 
>>> Do you have an idea how to solve that issue? Or is it just not possible to 
>>> create short cuts for menue commands with elipsisses?
>>> 
>>> Thanks and all the best
>>> Jürgen
>>> 
>> 

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Re: adding books to my nls cartrige on the mac

2012-02-21 Thread Caitlyn Furness

angie,
if somebody hasn't answered already, you can buy an app called blue harvest, 
which will clean up all the "mac dust" from your cartridge and any other drives 
you have to share with windows devices.  I don't have their web site handy just 
now, but I bought this app and use it all the time because I ran into that same 
problem when using usb drives with  non-macs.  I think they have a free trial, 
too, and I also remember it's not too much money for the app.  I didn't get it 
from the mac app store, though, so you might have to google for Blue Harvest.

hth,
Caitlyn and Nickels

On Feb 17, 2012, at 10:01 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote:

> hi all,
> I have struggled with this question since i got my mac, over a half a year 
> ago.
> when I put books on my nls cartrige mac installs a bunch of random junk on 
> the cartrige.  so my question is this, what's the best method you use for  
> coppying content to your nls cartrige, or stream, or other book player.
> I've found that when you delete a book, it adds stuff,  to your media,
> I'm kind of frustrated at this point, but there's got to be a way!
> Thanks in advance!
> Angie
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

Hello Jürgen,

Another quick thought: after you assigned a keyboard shortcut, instead of 
closing the Keyboard, check that the new shortcut appears in the "Keyboard 
Shortcuts" table.  If you navigate from the "Shortcuts Categories" table where 
"Application Shortcuts" is selected, to the "Keyboard Shortcuts" table and 
interact, there should be a new entry, e.g., for iTunes, a shortcut definition 
for "Page Setup…"  Also, if you used my exact example, I realize there was a 
typo -- I used Shift-Option-Command-P (without the "Control").  If you have 
VoiceOver turned on, that combination of Shift-Control-Option-Command-P moves 
you back to the previous control, and doesn't enter this as a shortcut, so use 
another shortcut combination!

HTH and sorry for the previous confusion in typing the instructions.

Cheers,

Esther

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Re: help with Growl

Thanks, I'm not sure why it seems to be running in the background when I open 
it.  That's the only thing that seems to perplex me.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Feb 21, 2012, at 7:00 AM, Missy Hope wrote:

> Hi! Here are the links again.
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1770137/Growl%20demo.mp3
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1770137/Troubleshooting%20Growl.mp3
> I've read your most recent messages, though, and am not sure this will solve 
> the problem you seem to be having with the empty
> applications table. That's very, very odd. I learned the hard way never to 
> delete something; had to do a clean install of
> growl after making that mistake, and that wasn't fun. There are instructions 
> for it online that are easily found using
> google, but suffice it to say it's not something I want to do again. If you 
> don't want growl to work with an app, just
> uncheck it. Anyway, I hope the demos help a little.
> Missy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Perdue
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: help with Growl
> 
> Sorry to ask this again, but could you send me those direct links.
> 
> Thanks, and sorry for being such a scatter brain.  In the process of moving 
> and trying to get this set up at the same time.
> Lots to do.
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> On Feb 21, 2012, at 6:40 AM, Missy Hope wrote:
> 
>> If this jis the new growl from the app store, opening it with command
>> O from within your apps folder should automatically put you into
>> preferences. It doesn't use command comma. By chance, did you listen
>> to the two growl demos I did? I explained all of this fairly thoroughly. If 
>> you're using an older version of growl, I
> believe the preferences are accessed via system preferences.
>> Good luck!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Perdue
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 6:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: help with Growl
>> 
>> I have tried restarting the computer but it still says that growl is
>> running in the background when I open it.  I'm really not sure what to
>> do at this point, because if it is running in the background it will not 
>> allow me to pull up any preferences for it at all.
>> 
>> Should I try and delete it and reinstall it?  How do I do that though since 
>> it is an app?
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guideBrooks
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Gigi wrote:
>> 
>>> R hi Jennifer
>>> I ended up having to restart my computer. I guess I really should say
>>> that I shut it down taking out all the windows. When
>> I started my computer back up, growl brought up the preferences when I
>> call up the program. You might try that and see if that helps. It did help 
>> mine. I still haven't completely got growled
> away I want it, but it's better than it was.
>>> Regards
>>> GG
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Jennifer Perdue  wrote:
>>> 
 When I try to use the arrows with VO to navigate the preference
 pains and then click on other it doesn't click on the
>> correct thing even though I interact with it.  I am not sure what I'm
>> doing wrong.  I checked out universal access and that didn't seem to
>> get me what I needed either.  Should I uninstall Growl at this point?
>> If so, how do I reinstall it since it is an app?  I'm really confused as to 
>> why it won't let me get into its own
> preferences.  I just says it's funning in the background and won't let me get 
> to its preferences at all no matter which
> methods I use.
 
 Thanks for your help again.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:56 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
 
> Hi Jennifer!
> Well hope this is useful!
> Open the main menu with either vo+m or control+f2 then when sitting
> on the Apple menu scroll down to system pref's and
>> vo+space or return!
> In the next window you will have to just arrow once to the preference 
> pain and interact with it!
> And in there is lots of selections for you to go into if needed!
> I.E. keyboard, accounts, Bluetooth and others!
> usually the last one is universal access but Growl should be after
> this under the heading of [others] and it should say
>> growl button!
> vo+space on that and you should get into growl to see what you can do!
> If you have not had much use of system pref's there is things you might 
> want to look at in there!
> And do not forget the only dumb question is one that is not asked!
> :] People will try to help if they can!
> Colin
> 
> On 19 Feb 2012, at 12:31, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
> 
>> Universal access, I'm sorry but I'm not sure exactly what that is?
>> Could you explain what that is and how to get

Re: fn key on the full sized keyboard

That's where it is on a portable keyboard, but not on the full size.  The 
bottom row of the full size has duel alt, control, and option keys one set to 
each side of the space bar.

The portable keyboard has fn, on the bottom left, then a full complement of 
control, option, command.  Then command and option on the right of the space 
bar.  Which still begs the question...

Erik Burggraaf
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On 2012-02-21, at 4:39 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> FM key is on the bottom left hand corner left of the control key.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 21 Feb 2012, at 21:09, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,  I need to know, where is the fn key on a full sized apple keyboard?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Currently on ebony promos: Ebony consulting on android accessibility, New 
>> drive imaging services available.  To read more and subscribe, visit 
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>>  
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Re: fn key on the full sized keyboard

Hi Erik,

I think that on a full size keyboard the Fn key is the top right key in the 
six-pack of keys that includes the Home, Page Up, and Page Down buttons.  That 
is, if you start from the positiion of the "eject" key that is above the 
"delete" in laptop keyboards and move right to the group of three keys in the 
F-key row, there is a six-pack of keys just below the F-keys that should be Fn, 
Home, Page Up, and then in the row below that Forward delete, End, and Page 
Down.  This is the section between the regular laptop keyboard keys and the 
numeric keypad.  The arrow keys are in an inverted tee shape at the bottom of 
this section, at the vertical positions occupied by the bottom two rows of keys 
on the main keyboard section.

I don't usually use full size keyboards, though, so it would be better to get 
an answer from somebody who uses a desktop Mac with full size keyboard.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 21, 2012, at 1:22 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> That's where it is on a portable keyboard, but not on the full size.  The 
> bottom row of the full size has duel alt, control, and option keys one set to 
> each side of the space bar.
> 
> The portable keyboard has fn, on the bottom left, then a full complement of 
> control, option, command.  Then command and option on the right of the space 
> bar.  Which still begs the question...
> 
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> On 2012-02-21, at 4:39 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> FM key is on the bottom left hand corner left of the control key.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 21 Feb 2012, at 21:09, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,  I need to know, where is the fn key on a full sized apple keyboard?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf

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Re: fn key on the full sized keyboard

2012-02-21 Thread David McLean

Top left I believe you mean?  It's where insert is on a Windows keyboard.
On Feb 21, 2012, at 6:34 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Erik,
> 
> I think that on a full size keyboard the Fn key is the top right key in the 
> six-pack of keys that includes the Home, Page Up, and Page Down buttons.  
> That is, if you start from the positiion of the "eject" key that is above the 
> "delete" in laptop keyboards and move right to the group of three keys in the 
> F-key row, there is a six-pack of keys just below the F-keys that should be 
> Fn, Home, Page Up, and then in the row below that Forward delete, End, and 
> Page Down.  This is the section between the regular laptop keyboard keys and 
> the numeric keypad.  The arrow keys are in an inverted tee shape at the 
> bottom of this section, at the vertical positions occupied by the bottom two 
> rows of keys on the main keyboard section.
> 
> I don't usually use full size keyboards, though, so it would be better to get 
> an answer from somebody who uses a desktop Mac with full size keyboard.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Feb 21, 2012, at 1:22 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> That's where it is on a portable keyboard, but not on the full size.  The 
>> bottom row of the full size has duel alt, control, and option keys one set 
>> to each side of the space bar.
>> 
>> The portable keyboard has fn, on the bottom left, then a full complement of 
>> control, option, command.  Then command and option on the right of the space 
>> bar.  Which still begs the question...
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Currently on ebony promos: Ebony consulting on android accessibility, New 
>> drive imaging services available.  To read more and subscribe, visit 
>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com
>>  
>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2012-02-21, at 4:39 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> FM key is on the bottom left hand corner left of the control key.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> On 21 Feb 2012, at 21:09, erik burggraaf wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,  I need to know, where is the fn key on a full sized apple 
 keyboard?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
> 
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Question about Radium

2012-02-21 Thread Doug Lawlor

Hello list:
I just recently purchased Radium from the mac app store. This is an app that 
has access to a number of radio stations and gives you full keyboard control 
over the app from any other application. I really like this app accept for one 
thing. 
I can't see a full list of my favourite stations. I can only see some but not 
the rest of them. I tried turning Trackpad Commander on and doing a 3 finger 
swipe up to scroll page by page through the list but no luck so far. Does 
anyone else have this app and have they figured out a way to see all of the 
stations in their favourites list?  

Thanks in advance, 

Doug

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Re: Question about Radium

Hello Doug,

I don't think you can view all the available radio station selections in the 
current version of Radium.  This isn't a question of VoiceOver's access, but 
rather the design interface used by the app.  You might write the developers 
and ask about adding this feature.  They actually added VoiceOver accessibility 
to what was originally an app that was not accessible upon first release.  
Also, I think that prospective users can still get the trial download from 
their web site before deciding to buy from the Mac App Store:
http://www.catpigstudios.com/radium/

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 21, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Doug Lawlor wrote:

> Hello list:
> I just recently purchased Radium from the mac app store. This is an app that 
> has access to a number of radio stations and gives you full keyboard control 
> over the app from any other application. I really like this app accept for 
> one thing. 
> I can't see a full list of my favourite stations. I can only see some but not 
> the rest of them. I tried turning Trackpad Commander on and doing a 3 finger 
> swipe up to scroll page by page through the list but no luck so far. Does 
> anyone else have this app and have they figured out a way to see all of the 
> stations in their favourites list?  
> 
> Thanks in advance, 
> 
> Doug
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Re: new version of motion gps drive

2012-02-21 Thread Mike Arrigo

Yes, that can help. The issue I think is, when switching screens, this app does 
not open a new window, it just updates the contents of the existing screen, 
tapping in the middle of the screen causes voiceover to refresh its data I 
think.
On Feb 21, 2012, at 6:01 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:

> I would recommend Mike Arrigo's podcast on this app.  I was having difficulty 
> in activating menu selections and his suggestion on tapping the middle of the 
> screen before activating options was very useful.  Thanks Mike.  I think I 
> can use this app now.
> 
> Les
> On Feb 21, 2012, at 6:04 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
> 
>> Thanks a lot for your information.
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:27 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>>> There is a screen that will tell you the address you are closest to, but it 
>>> will not announce up coming streets or places you pass, for that, the best 
>>> app is sendero look around I think. Motion will give you driving or walking 
>>> instructions very similar to what navigon offers, I think motion's 
>>> interface is a bit easier to use, especially now that everything is well 
>>> labeled.
>>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks for the information.  It's proper total is motion GPS correct?  
 Does it have the capability of telling you where you are or is it just 
 something you can just type in an address and have it give you turn by 
 turn directions only?
 
 I'm moving to a new neighborhood and would like to be able to know what 
 streets I'm crossing and stuff.
 
 thanks,
 
 Jenny and my goofy guideBrooks
 On Feb 19, 2012, at 9:33 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 
> It's much easier to enter addresses on the motion app, just type it, no 
> need to use 2 or 3 different screens to do this, also I think motion is a 
> bit faster.
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:04 AM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> 
>> Can you tell me what Motion does that navigon doesn't?  I have never 
>> used either one but I have Navigon on my phone.  What makes Motion worth 
>> the upgrade.  I'm moving to another neighborhood in a few weeks and I 
>> would love to have a GPS app that would prove helpful.  Could you give 
>> me the play by play lowdown please?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
>> On Feb 19, 2012, at 12:39 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>>> There is no way to get older versions, the current version of navigon 
>>> worked fine for me, used it earlier today on a short root, I still like 
>>> motion gps better because entering addresses is much easier.
>>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Mike Busboom wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Anne,
 
 Thanks for responding.  I downloaded Ariadne this morning, but I have 
 been told that the most recent version of Navigon is no longer 
 accessible.  If this is true, do you know if it is possible to 
 download older iterations of a program from the iStore?  If ordering 
 older versions works, which version should I grab?
 
 Thanks for all the times you have assisted me!
 
 Mike
 
 On 18,Feb,2012, at 5:07 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
 
> Hello Mike,
> 
> This app does not work in Europe. I like the combination of Navigon 
> and Ariadne GPS. You might also find MyWay Classic useful for marking 
> out routes that are off the beaten track.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 18 Feb 2012, at 16:50, Michael Busboom wrote:
> 
>> Hello Mike,
>> 
>> Do you know if this App works at all in Europe?  Since I still am an 
>> expatriate American and get to the States occasionally, I'll 
>> probably buy it, but knowing that it worked in Europe as well would 
>> make it even more interesting.
>> 
>> Kindest regards,
>> 
>> Mike
>> P.S. Your podcasts on the Mac did much to inspire me to buy my first 
>> MacBook, and I don't regret that decision one little bit.  Thank you.
>> On 18,Feb,2012, at 4:46 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey everyone, motion gps has just released version 13 for the 
>>> iphone, if you live in the United States or Canada, it's well worth 
>>> checking out. They have fixed the unlabeled buttons and provided 
>>> very good accessibility for voiceover users. I think this app is 
>>> now by far the best one for blind users, navigon was the best 
>>> choice for a while but I think it has lost the top spot, especially 
>>> in the newest versions.
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Re: fn key on the full sized keyboard

2012-02-21 Thread David Griffith

My full sized Apple extended  keyboard does not have an FN key.  I replaced the 
thin keyboard which came with my IMac as it was torture  for my wrists. I 
bought an old style IMac keyboard which was generally much better for me but as 
I say does not have an FN key. Where people suggest it is on the six pack set 
of keys is instead a help key.
.. i was initially concerned about this but  have found no occasion in 
practice when I need to use the FN key.   .
I still have volume up and down and eject keys working fine which is pretty 
much all the hardware control I need from the keyboard. 
On 21 Feb 2012, at 23:22, erik burggraaf wrote:

> That's where it is on a portable keyboard, but not on the full size.  The 
> bottom row of the full size has duel alt, control, and option keys one set to 
> each side of the space bar.
> 
> The portable keyboard has fn, on the bottom left, then a full complement of 
> control, option, command.  Then command and option on the right of the space 
> bar.  Which still begs the question...
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> On 2012-02-21, at 4:39 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> FM key is on the bottom left hand corner left of the control key.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 21 Feb 2012, at 21:09, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,  I need to know, where is the fn key on a full sized apple keyboard?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
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Re: fn key on the full sized keyboard

2012-02-21 Thread Barry Abbott

Hi Eric. Just to the left of the number pad is a pack of 9 keys. The FN key is 
the second one up on the left.
On 2012-02-21, at 7:22 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> That's where it is on a portable keyboard, but not on the full size.  The 
> bottom row of the full size has duel alt, control, and option keys one set to 
> each side of the space bar.
> 
> The portable keyboard has fn, on the bottom left, then a full complement of 
> control, option, command.  Then command and option on the right of the space 
> bar.  Which still begs the question...
> 
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> On 2012-02-21, at 4:39 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> FM key is on the bottom left hand corner left of the control key.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 21 Feb 2012, at 21:09, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,  I need to know, where is the fn key on a full sized apple keyboard?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
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Re: VO with Zooms

2012-02-21 Thread Louie P. (Pete) Nalda

Hi,
I do this all the time.  Here's what I have mine set.  in Zoom:  Zoom follows 
keyboard focus.  Zoom moves continuously with keyboard focus.  In voicover I 
have:  keyboard follows Voicover cursor, Vo Cursor follows keyboard, and 
insertion point follows VO cursor, and VO ignores mouse cursor.  Unfortunately 
I can't get skype to work.  Email me for a phone number if needed.

On Feb 21, 2012, at 4:54 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> Dear All,
> 
> I have a friend who is running SL on a MAcBook Air, he is trying to use both 
> Voice Over and Zooms at the same time, primarily using Zooms, with Voice Over 
> for support.
> 
> We are having trouble configuring Voice Over so that it does not impact Zooms 
> functionality and performance… but, appear to be failing, is there anyone on 
> list who has experience in using Zooms principally with Voice Over as a 
> reading aid along side Zooms?
> 
> if so, would you kindly either give me some pointers, or, better still, can 
> we make contact using Skype or other?
> 
> thanks.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
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> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
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> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> On 17 Feb 2012, at 04:31, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys.
>> Maybe somebody covered this already, and so maybe I missed something 
>> somewhere. I watched the video on the Apple website concerning Mountain 
>> Lion. Since VoiceOver is so far not mentioned in these things ever, how do 
>> we know what's changed for it? It looks like that the Notification Center is 
>> going to be wonderful for us, especially if it works like it does on the 
>> iPhone. 
>> When I first got my Mac and knew practically nothing, I asked 
>> accessibil...@apple.com how I was going to know about VoiceOver changes. The 
>> answer I got back was that I could read articles on it and that they would 
>> be published with everything else. I am not finding this to be the case. So, 
>> how do we find out or do we just wait and see? 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
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contacts on the cloud

2012-02-21 Thread craig J Dunlop

I need some iCloud help!on a iPod touch I removed the iCloud account. because 
some how we ended up with multiple entrees in the contacts list.and I didn't 
want all of that showing up on the iPhone. now when I check contacts the iCloud 
settings of the iPhone it said all contacts will be merged. we don't want the 
old contacts on the iPhone since we have it the way she wants them and we just 
want to back them up to the cloud. is it safe to hit the merge ore will it make 
a big mess of everything?
I can't seem to find any info about this. thanks for any help.

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Re: BrailleTouch iPhone App

2012-02-21 Thread Daniela Rubio

Hello all!
I found out that this App could be great. I knew one called Typeinbraille, but 
if this works as the video says, it should be great!
Where can I download Brailletouch for iPhone or iPad? I can't find it in the 
Appstore.
Thank you!

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El 21/02/2012, a las 15:58, Chris Blouch escribió:

> True, but at some level there is a desire to allow anyone to use the same 
> interface. So whether I tap around the screen or do split taps and flicks to 
> move focus, it's still the same interface. It gets a little weirder when 
> talking about a virtual keyboard because it's not really part of the 
> application's designed experience as a shared input mechanism. At the same 
> time, that mechanisim also has a user experience which may be better or worse 
> usability for some. So is it better, on the whole, to enable that input 
> mechanisim to be used by anyone or do you provide an alternate experience 
> that is tailored more towards a certain class of users? I think universal 
> design would point towards the shared experience being the best in the long 
> run. For better or for worse everybody can help everybody else because it's 
> the same UI. I've run into plenty of 'separate but equal' UIs for 
> accessibility which never got much love after launch leaving users who rely 
> on them as second class citizens.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 2/21/12 2:43 PM, Claus Thøgersen wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually universal design does not mean that everybody is forced to use the 
>> same UI, rather the  other way around, that an app or  the product you are 
>> designing must meet users way of using the device, and that real world users 
>> use devices in many different ways.
>> 
>> Claus
>> 
>> 
>> Den 21-02-2012 20:10, Chris Blouch skrev:
>>> Dunno if anyone read these articles about using a chorded 6-finger input 
>>> system to type on a mobile device. It would seem that it should be much 
>>> faster to input this way but they haven't done real testing/analysis on 
>>> this. It also requires holding the phone sideways with the screen pointing 
>>> away so you can put three fingers on three dots on either end of the 
>>> screen. I've always been in favor of 'universal design' where everybody 
>>> uses the same basic UI so this seems to go against that. At the same time, 
>>> if it were 2-3x faster than the current on screen keyboard input, maybe it 
>>> would be worth it.
>>> 
>>> http://hothardware.com/News/Georgia-Tech-iPhone-App-Could-Help-Blind-Users-Text/
>>>  
>>> http://www.phonearena.com/news/Braille-Touch-app-brings-no-look-typing-to-handsets_id27003
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Apparently not available in iTunes Store yet. Won best design in the 
>>> Stockholm Mobile HCI [Human Computer Interaction] 2011 conference:
>>> 
>>> http://www.mobilehci2011.org/node/127
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>> 
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Re: fn key on the full sized keyboard

2012-02-21 Thread Frank Tom

Maybe I'm a little off base, but I don't think there is a FN key on a full size 
keyboard. A full size keyboard, by definition, has function keys. There all on 
the top row. In any case, the keyboard describer mode, VO K, should tell you 
what everything is. 

Tom Frank

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> Hi all,  I need to know, where is the fn key on a full sized apple keyboard?
> 
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RE: Reading PDFs?

2012-02-21 Thread Bejarano, Rafael P.

So, you are saying that using a web browser is better for reading pdf files 
than using Preview?

Rafael Bejarano

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
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Subject: Re: Reading PDFs?

I have started selecting the file I want from the folder by interacting with 
the table and putting the cursor on the file and then uninteracting. I then go 
VO+m and into open with. This brings up a list of programs, I think the first 
one is preview and that's selected, you want to select something like Safari or 
Chrome if you have it, press enter and it'll open fine. Much easier to read. 
You have to do it every time though, as I haven't worked out how to set it to 
open PDFs that way as default.

On 21 Feb 2012, at 03:52, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.
> Are there any tricks to reading PDF's with OS Lion?  I wasn't able to review 
> anything, I could just let preview read the entire document. I could go word 
> by word with the track pad,but that is not a very pleasurable way to go 
> through a long document you need to read slowly.  Figured there must 
> something I'm missing.
> Any help appreciated.
> Bill
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Navigating By Letter?

2012-02-21 Thread ezzie bueno


Hello list,

Here's a stupid question for you all:
How exactly does navigating by letter work? I rarely use Quick 
Nav.


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Chromevox

2012-02-21 Thread ezzie bueno


Hello again,

What exactly is Chromevox? I use Google Chrome.  Is Chromevox 
absolutely necessary?


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RE: numbers

2012-02-21 Thread Bejarano, Rafael P.

If you are using an Intel-based Mac, then the first thing to do when you open 
the Tables application is to get the cursor out of the table.  Press Shift, 
Control, Option, up-arrow together, in order to get out of the table where the 
cursor is pointing.  Press this key combination again to get out of the 
spreadsheet.  Do these things first, or the following instructions won't make 
sense.

Basically, there are two ways to read a cell's contents in Tables.  The first 
way is to place the cursor over the field in which one enters numbers, 
formulae, and so on.  If you choose this option, make sure VO is not locked, so 
that you can use the arrow keys to move from cell to cell (i.e., left arrow to 
move to the left, bottom arrow to move down, etc.).  This is a simple option 
that allows you to navigate from cell to cell, to read each cell's contents, 
and to enter data into individual cells, all from the data-entry field.  

The second way to move around in Tables is somewhat more complicated.  To make 
things easier, first lock VO (by pressing control-option-semicolon).  Next, 
enter the spreadsheet, by pressing shift and the down-arrow key together.  At 
this level, you will be able to move the VO cursor with the arrow keys and read 
the letters designating the columns (i.e., Column A, Column B, etc.), as well 
as the row numbers (i.e., Row 1, Row 2, etc.).  To access the individual cells, 
navigate to the table (VO says "table when you've found it).  With VO still 
locked, press the shift and down-arrow keys together again.  That will put you 
in the table of cells, from which point onward you can just use the arrow keys 
to navigate from cell to cell.

I hope this helps.  Let me know if you have any other questions, and I'll do my 
best to try to answer them.

Cordially,
Rafael

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger [apple-engl...@fleger.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: numbers

Hi Rafael,

I tried Tables and it's much faster to work with then with Numbers. But what I 
didn't understand was how to read text in a cell. I pressed F2 to edit the cell 
and couldn't have VO to read text by pressing arrow keys. Did I something wrong 
or does Tables not support VO that much?

All the best Jürgen
Am 20.02.2012 um 18:24 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.:

> If your spreadsheet needs are not very complicated, you might wish to 
> consider Tables.  It's the spreadsheet app that I use on the Mac, and I 
> really like it.  It has all the usual functions, and you can enter your own 
> formulae, as well.  You can save your work as xl files, too.  Creating graphs 
> is somewhat limited, however.
>
> Rafael Bejarano
> On Feb 20, 2012, at 10:16 AM, May McDonald wrote:
>
> Good day everyone.
>
> Well, I guess I can't avoid it any longer. Drn school stuff. Is there a place 
> where I could find tutorials on how to use numbers? Or can anyone recommend a 
> good program that handles excel files if numbers is not the best to use?
>
> Thanks,
>
> May and Prince Noah
> cell: 613-863-5845 or 1-888-778-2544
> email: mcdonald@gmail.com
>
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Abby Fine Reader and a reliable book edge scanner

2012-02-21 Thread Paul Hunt

Hello everyone. I purchased the Abby Fine Reader Express application for the 
Mac and am looking for a reliable book edge scanner to use with it. 
Recommendations please.

Thanks so much.

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Re: numbers

2012-02-21 Thread May McDonald

Thank you I will practice with this and see where I get.

On 2012-02-21, at 11:45 PM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote:

> If you are using an Intel-based Mac, then the first thing to do when you open 
> the Tables application is to get the cursor out of the table.  Press Shift, 
> Control, Option, up-arrow together, in order to get out of the table where 
> the cursor is pointing.  Press this key combination again to get out of the 
> spreadsheet.  Do these things first, or the following instructions won't make 
> sense.
> 
> Basically, there are two ways to read a cell's contents in Tables.  The first 
> way is to place the cursor over the field in which one enters numbers, 
> formulae, and so on.  If you choose this option, make sure VO is not locked, 
> so that you can use the arrow keys to move from cell to cell (i.e., left 
> arrow to move to the left, bottom arrow to move down, etc.).  This is a 
> simple option that allows you to navigate from cell to cell, to read each 
> cell's contents, and to enter data into individual cells, all from the 
> data-entry field.  
> 
> The second way to move around in Tables is somewhat more complicated.  To 
> make things easier, first lock VO (by pressing control-option-semicolon).  
> Next, enter the spreadsheet, by pressing shift and the down-arrow key 
> together.  At this level, you will be able to move the VO cursor with the 
> arrow keys and read the letters designating the columns (i.e., Column A, 
> Column B, etc.), as well as the row numbers (i.e., Row 1, Row 2, etc.).  To 
> access the individual cells, navigate to the table (VO says "table when 
> you've found it).  With VO still locked, press the shift and down-arrow keys 
> together again.  That will put you in the table of cells, from which point 
> onward you can just use the arrow keys to navigate from cell to cell.
> 
> I hope this helps.  Let me know if you have any other questions, and I'll do 
> my best to try to answer them.
> 
> Cordially,
> Rafael
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger [apple-engl...@fleger.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:52 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: numbers
> 
> Hi Rafael,
> 
> I tried Tables and it's much faster to work with then with Numbers. But what 
> I didn't understand was how to read text in a cell. I pressed F2 to edit the 
> cell and couldn't have VO to read text by pressing arrow keys. Did I 
> something wrong or does Tables not support VO that much?
> 
> All the best Jürgen
> Am 20.02.2012 um 18:24 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.:
> 
>> If your spreadsheet needs are not very complicated, you might wish to 
>> consider Tables.  It's the spreadsheet app that I use on the Mac, and I 
>> really like it.  It has all the usual functions, and you can enter your own 
>> formulae, as well.  You can save your work as xl files, too.  Creating 
>> graphs is somewhat limited, however.
>> 
>> Rafael Bejarano
>> On Feb 20, 2012, at 10:16 AM, May McDonald wrote:
>> 
>> Good day everyone.
>> 
>> Well, I guess I can't avoid it any longer. Drn school stuff. Is there a 
>> place where I could find tutorials on how to use numbers? Or can anyone 
>> recommend a good program that handles excel files if numbers is not the best 
>> to use?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> May and Prince Noah
>> cell: 613-863-5845 or 1-888-778-2544
>> email: mcdonald@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: contacts on the cloud

2012-02-21 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

I wouldn't hit the merge.  What will happen is your iPhone will merge the 
contacts in iCloud with the ones you have on the iPhone.  It does actually 
create duplicates, it just doesn't look like it because they've been merged on 
the iPhone.  You would notice the duplicates within AddressBook on your Mac if 
it is synced to iCloud.  Even though you removed the iCloud account from your 
Touch, the Contacts still reside in the Cloud.  My suggestion here is to, 
initially, leave the iPhone out of the picture since it has the Contacts the 
way you want them.  I'm assuming here that everything on your iPhone is more or 
less perfect, if it's not, then you may wish to modify my instructions.  The 
easiest thing to do, in my opinion, would be to first check the entries in 
iCloud in the AddressBook of your Mac.  Of course, this is only practical if 
you've synced your Mac with iCloud as well.

1.  In the Groups Table, select "All iCloud".
2.  Navigate to the Names Table and review the list of entries.
3.  If they all seem like they're the same as the ones on the iPhone, then 
remove them all from iCloud.
4.  To do this, press cmd-a (Select All) then press the Delete key.

All iCloud Contacts should now be gone.  All local contacts on your Mac should 
still be there if you had any.  Now you can Quit AddressBook on the Mac.

Go ahead and add your iPhone to iCloud now.  All Contacts from the iPhone will 
be transported to iCloud without creating duplicates.  If you wish the exact 
collection of contacts on your iPod Touch, then delete all the local contacts 
before you  add it to iCloud.  The beauty about this scenario now is if you 
change any contact info on the iPhone, it is automatically changed on your 
Touch and on your Mac.  In fact, if you change any iCloud linked info, it will 
automatically change on any other iCloud synced device.

the trick here is to make sure it is perfect on one of your iCloud synced 
devices, move it's contact data to iCloud, then sync the other devices.  I find 
it easiest to actually do this on my Mac as it is easier to edit AddressBook 
cards on the Mac rather than on an iDevice.  The drawback though is that any 
assigned Ring-tones are lost as AddressBook doesn't retain that info.

Sorry, I think I may be rambling a bit.  Hopefully, my explanation is somewhat 
clear.

Later...

On 2012-02-21, at 7:32 PM, craig J Dunlop wrote:

> I need some iCloud help!on a iPod touch I removed the iCloud account. because 
> some how we ended up with multiple entrees in the contacts list.and I didn't 
> want all of that showing up on the iPhone. now when I check contacts the 
> iCloud settings of the iPhone it said all contacts will be merged. we don't 
> want the old contacts on the iPhone since we have it the way she wants them 
> and we just want to back them up to the cloud. is it safe to hit the merge 
> ore will it make a big mess of everything?
> I can't seem to find any info about this. thanks for any help.
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