Re: Frustration With Groups and Address Book

[Ray Foret Jr]

The steps you've listed create much more work for this task than truly 
necessary.

1.  From the file menu, focus on "new group".

2.  Turn Voice OVer off.

3.  Press return.

4.  Name the group.

5.  Press return.

6.  Turn Voice OVer back on.

That's it.

To rename a group,

1.  Find the group in the group table.

2.  Turn Voice OVer off.

3.  Press return.

4.  Rename the group.

5.  Press return.

6.  Turn Voice OVer back on.

HTH.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
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On Mar 28, 2011, at 1:37 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> Hi Teresa,
> 
> that's a bit tricky because VoiceOver doesn't work properly in this case. 
> 
> So do the following:
> 1. Interact with the group table and set your VO cursor on the new group.
> 2. Route the mouse cursor to VoiceOver cursor by pressing CTRL + Option + CMD 
> + F5.
> 3. Turn VoiceOver off by pressing CMD F5.
> 4. Press Enter.
> 6. Type the new group name.
> 7. Press Enter again. (I'm not sure but that might be not necessary.)
> 8. Turn VoiceOver on again.
> That's it.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> Am 28.03.2011 um 08:04 schrieb Teresa Cochran:
> 
>>  Hi, folk,
>> 
>> Ok, I give up, and that isn't easy for me to do. When I try to create a new 
>> group in Address book, there is no edit field for the name, and it always 
>> gets named "untitled." I've also tried selecting a number of noncontiguous 
>> addresses in all contacts. No problem there. When I go into the file menu, 
>> the "add to group using selection" option is dimmed! I've verified several 
>> times that these five addresses are highlighted. So now I'm absolutely 
>> stumped. Can anyone please help??!!
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Teresa
>> 
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RE: Any VO limitations or concerns? Praises?

[Gail the U. S. Male]

Hi Johnny, if you go to Http://www.blindcooltech.com there is a series of
podcasts on the Mac.  If you listen to those, I think you will see that the
Mac is very accessible!  I bought my mac after listening to those podcasts,
and I'm using them as a basic training course, learning how to use the Mac.
You can also run windows on your Mac. Either through a virtual machine,
which seems most accessible for a blind person, or through a dual boot
system, using a program called "bootcamp" that gives you the best of both
worlds.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Johchi
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Any VO limitations or concerns? Praises?

Hi folks,
I'm not a Mac user yet, but I am learning sooo much by gtleaning from 
this wonderful
list.
My question has to do with convincing the PA State agency that getting 
VO and the
MacBook for me is a better choice then the traditional Windows screen 
reader setup.
But I want to be completely honest with you:
Since I'm not currently an Apple products user, I really don't know if 
the Mac is
really the best way for me to go.  I'm an educated professional piano 
technician
who is also a musician keyboardist.  But the State won't purchase 
anything for me
based on personal musical ambition.  I have joined this list and the 
AiPhone list
in order to hear for myself just how accessible the apple platform 
really is.  I
must say that I am quite amazed beyond words on how much blind folks are 
able to
accomplish on the touch screen iPhone.  So needless to say, I am looking 
forward
to the iPhone 5 when it comes out, and I'll probably be getting 
something in an iPhone
for myself at that time.  But anyway, getting back to my situation with 
the State
getting me some new computer equipment:
Their immediate response to my interests for having a Mac was negative.  
Why?  Because
the guy hired to do my equipment evaluation has had zero experience 
using a Mac and
so he told the agency that he felt that it was in his opinion that it 
was a bad idea
to get me a Mac.  I immediately came back with saying to them that it 
was my right
to make my own choice as to what equipment I would like to have use of.  
And that
my choice of equipment was being discriminated against based on their 
lack of knowledge
and understanding of the subject.  They then quickly changed their tune 
and gave
me another equipment evaluator to work with me who they say is familiar 
with the
Mac platform and said that they would have to go with his 
recommendations thereafter.
I have yet to meet with this second person.
Consequently, in the meantime I am needing to get as much concrete 
evidence that
VO on a Mac is perfectly viable and that everything I need to do on the 
MacBook is
accessible, or better yet, even better accessible then the Windows / 
Microsoft platform
using the latest WE screen reader alone..
So I need to locate information supporting the ability for the blind to 
be able to
use the MacBook successfully.Please be so kind as to briefly speak to 
this matter
with either your own testimonies of your own success and support, or 
negatatives
and concerns concerning the use of the Apple Mac platform for the blind 
computer
user.
Thanks much,
--
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pianot...@neo.rr.com
814-450-5433

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Re: Frustration With Groups and Address Book

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Ray,

I believe the steps you outline assume that cursor tracking is on. I happen to 
have it on most of the time, but there are those who don't.

HTH,
Teresa
On Mar 28, 2011, at 12:27 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> The steps you've listed create much more work for this task than truly 
> necessary.
> 
> 1.  From the file menu, focus on "new group".
> 
> 2.  Turn Voice OVer off.
> 
> 3.  Press return.
> 
> 4.  Name the group.
> 
> 5.  Press return.
> 
> 6.  Turn Voice OVer back on.
> 
> That's it.
> 
> To rename a group,
> 
> 1.  Find the group in the group table.
> 
> 2.  Turn Voice OVer off.
> 
> 3.  Press return.
> 
> 4.  Rename the group.
> 
> 5.  Press return.
> 
> 6.  Turn Voice OVer back on.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> On Mar 28, 2011, at 1:37 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
> 
>> Hi Teresa,
>> 
>> that's a bit tricky because VoiceOver doesn't work properly in this case. 
>> 
>> So do the following:
>> 1. Interact with the group table and set your VO cursor on the new group.
>> 2. Route the mouse cursor to VoiceOver cursor by pressing CTRL + Option + 
>> CMD + F5.
>> 3. Turn VoiceOver off by pressing CMD F5.
>> 4. Press Enter.
>> 6. Type the new group name.
>> 7. Press Enter again. (I'm not sure but that might be not necessary.)
>> 8. Turn VoiceOver on again.
>> That's it.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> Am 28.03.2011 um 08:04 schrieb Teresa Cochran:
>> 
>>> Hi, folk,
>>> 
>>> Ok, I give up, and that isn't easy for me to do. When I try to create a new 
>>> group in Address book, there is no edit field for the name, and it always 
>>> gets named "untitled." I've also tried selecting a number of noncontiguous 
>>> addresses in all contacts. No problem there. When I go into the file menu, 
>>> the "add to group using selection" option is dimmed! I've verified several 
>>> times that these five addresses are highlighted. So now I'm absolutely 
>>> stumped. Can anyone please help??!!
>>> 
>>> TIA,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
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Re: Are two drives alike?

[Ashley Cox]

both drives will work fine.
it's just the essential one spins at a faster spead.

you see this a lot, for example, if you search for sd ram on amazon. You 
see some cheap SD ram, at about 11.99 each, then you see for "iMac g3 g4 
eMac..." advertised ram for about 22.99 each. People seam to think that 
just because you own a mac they can get more money.

ash


On 27/03/2011 22:44, Geoff Waaler wrote:

Greetings all,

Recently a friend found a 500 GB Passport at the Apple store for twice what I 
paid for my 1TB drive last year.  It said that it was for MacOS, but since my 
MBP has no trouble finding or reading my drive, I didn't see this deal as a 
bargin exactly.

This afternoon I searched the US Amazon site for the string: "passport tb" and noticed that the 
prices for the "mac" drives are consistently higher than their "windows" counterparts.  
Two examples follow:

Western Digital My Passport SE for Mac 1 TB USB 2.0 Portable External Hard 
Drive (Silver) $117.27
vs:
Western Digital My Passport Essential SE 1 TB USB 3.0/2.0 Ultra Portable 
External Hard Drive (Black) (Windows) $89.99

I'm not certain whether these products are identical.  The color varies, as does the fact 
that the more expensive drive's description emits the word "essential", and 
does not support USB 3.0 (which may not be applicable for MACOS yet anyway).

My older drive came with software that I never use -- is this the only 
difference between the two drive models?  If so, would I care about the 
software in the MacOS platform?  I assume I could se either drive with 
timeMachine and to store files?

TIA for any input and best regards.
Geoff



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Re: Any VO limitations or concerns? Praises?

[Ashley Cox]

Go on blind cool tech (
www.blindcooltech.com
and look at mikes podcasts on the mac. I think it's a 12 or 13 part 
series, and that series was what persuaded me to get a mac.

I use a macbook all the time for school stuff and it works great.
ash

On 28/03/2011 02:51, Johchi wrote:

Hi folks,
I'm not a Mac user yet, but I am learning sooo much by gtleaning from 
this wonderful

list.
My question has to do with convincing the PA State agency that getting 
VO and the
MacBook for me is a better choice then the traditional Windows screen 
reader setup.

But I want to be completely honest with you:
Since I'm not currently an Apple products user, I really don't know if 
the Mac is
really the best way for me to go.  I'm an educated professional piano 
technician
who is also a musician keyboardist.  But the State won't purchase 
anything for me
based on personal musical ambition.  I have joined this list and the 
AiPhone list
in order to hear for myself just how accessible the apple platform 
really is.  I
must say that I am quite amazed beyond words on how much blind folks 
are able to
accomplish on the touch screen iPhone.  So needless to say, I am 
looking forward
to the iPhone 5 when it comes out, and I'll probably be getting 
something in an iPhone
for myself at that time.  But anyway, getting back to my situation 
with the State

getting me some new computer equipment:
Their immediate response to my interests for having a Mac was 
negative.  Why?  Because
the guy hired to do my equipment evaluation has had zero experience 
using a Mac and
so he told the agency that he felt that it was in his opinion that it 
was a bad idea
to get me a Mac.  I immediately came back with saying to them that it 
was my right
to make my own choice as to what equipment I would like to have use 
of.  And that
my choice of equipment was being discriminated against based on their 
lack of knowledge
and understanding of the subject.  They then quickly changed their 
tune and gave
me another equipment evaluator to work with me who they say is 
familiar with the
Mac platform and said that they would have to go with his 
recommendations thereafter.

I have yet to meet with this second person.
Consequently, in the meantime I am needing to get as much concrete 
evidence that
VO on a Mac is perfectly viable and that everything I need to do on 
the MacBook is
accessible, or better yet, even better accessible then the Windows / 
Microsoft platform

using the latest WE screen reader alone..
So I need to locate information supporting the ability for the blind 
to be able to
use the MacBook successfully.Please be so kind as to briefly speak to 
this matter
with either your own testimonies of your own success and support, or 
negatatives
and concerns concerning the use of the Apple Mac platform for the 
blind computer

user.
Thanks much,
--
Johnny Chilelli
pianot...@neo.rr.com
814-450-5433



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Re: getting an apple e-mail account with out subscribing to mobile me?

[Scott Howell]

That is correct. I have not seen anyway to get an e-mail address either.

On Mar 27, 2011, at 9:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> I do not think it is possible to get an Apple email address without either 
> being an Apple employee or paying for a mobile me account.
> 
> Mark

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Re: short cuts to get to the top and bottem of the message list in mail?

[Robert Nelson]

Dear Trahern,

Once you interact with the Mail Messages Table you may press shift-vo-HOME 
which will bring you to the top and SHIFT-vo-END to bring you to the bottome.  
By the way this is with a  desk top keyvoard.
Sincerely Yours,
robert Nelson

On Mar 27, 2011, at 11:20 PM, trahern culver wrote:

> hey all what are the short cuts to get to the top and bottem of the
> message list in mail?
> 
> your help with this question would be most welcom!!
> 
> kind regards trahern.
> 
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Apple script for battery status

[Zachary Kline]

Hi All,
Someone posted a while back in search of an Apple script to get the battery 
status on a MacBook.  I've gone into the list archives and found this, which 
I've bound to right-option-b in the keyboard commander.  I can' claim credit 
for it, but I hope its useful to anyone who wants it.  It's pasted below.  Make 
sure you format it properly when getting this into AppleScript Editor.  
Hope this helps,
Zack.

-- Cut here...
(* This Apple script will querie for the battery status and speak the output. 
This script works best when associated with a keyboard shortcut and used in 
conjunction with VoiceOver. *)
on isVoiceOverRunningWithAppleScript()
set isRunning to true
-- is AppleScript enabled on VoiceOver --
tell application "VoiceOver"
try
set x to bounds of vo cursor
on error
set isRunning to false
end try
end tell
return isRunning
end isVoiceOverRunningWithAppleScript
set maxCapacity to do shell script "ioreg -w0 -l | grep \"\\\"MaxCapacity\\\" 
=\""
set maxLevel to the last word of maxCapacity
set curCapacity to do shell script "ioreg -w0 -l | grep 
\"\\\"CurrentCapacity\\\" = \""
set curLevel to the last word of curCapacity
set battPct to round (100 * curLevel / maxLevel)
set output to "Battery " & battPct & "%"
if isVoiceOverRunningWithAppleScript() then
tell application "VoiceOver"
output "Battery " & battPct & "%"
end tell
else
say "Battery " & battPct & "%"
end if

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Re: Apple script for battery status

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Again,
Bad form to reply to my own post, but I just wanted to make clear that I meant 
I can't claim credit, not the other way round.  The Spell Checker failed me in 
this instance.  Silly missing T.
Best,
Zack.
On Mar 28, 2011, at 4:28 AM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi All,
> Someone posted a while back in search of an Apple script to get the battery 
> status on a MacBook.  I've gone into the list archives and found this, which 
> I've bound to right-option-b in the keyboard commander.  I can' claim credit 
> for it, but I hope its useful to anyone who wants it.  It's pasted below.  
> Make sure you format it properly when getting this into AppleScript Editor.  
> Hope this helps,
> Zack.
> 
> -- Cut here...
> (* This Apple script will querie for the battery status and speak the output. 
> This script works best when associated with a keyboard shortcut and used in 
> conjunction with VoiceOver. *)
> on isVoiceOverRunningWithAppleScript()
>   set isRunning to true
>   -- is AppleScript enabled on VoiceOver --
>   tell application "VoiceOver"
>   try
>   set x to bounds of vo cursor
>   on error
>   set isRunning to false
>   end try
>   end tell
>   return isRunning
> end isVoiceOverRunningWithAppleScript
> set maxCapacity to do shell script "ioreg -w0 -l | grep \"\\\"MaxCapacity\\\" 
> =\""
> set maxLevel to the last word of maxCapacity
> set curCapacity to do shell script "ioreg -w0 -l | grep 
> \"\\\"CurrentCapacity\\\" = \""
> set curLevel to the last word of curCapacity
> set battPct to round (100 * curLevel / maxLevel)
> set output to "Battery " & battPct & "%"
> if isVoiceOverRunningWithAppleScript() then
>   tell application "VoiceOver"
>   output "Battery " & battPct & "%"
>   end tell
> else
>   say "Battery " & battPct & "%"
> end if
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Re: Any VO limitations or concerns? Praises?

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Johnny,
I think that overall the Mac should have little trouble doing what you have in 
mind for it.  I can't speak to database software myself, as I don't use any.  I 
know it exists though.  I'm not a musician, and am in no position to comment 
favorably or otherwise on a sequencer, though I'm sure that exists too.
As for my own experiences, they have been overwhelmingly positive.  Apple has 
done a great thing for the blind community, particularly because the Mac is the 
only computer we can grab off the shelf from a store and use without any 
special considerations.  I can't stress enough how liberating that fact is.  
True, the machines do cost a little more than PCs might, but you aren't paying 
the $1,000 or so for Jaws or Window-Eyes, either.
I need to second the recommendations of others that you listen to Mike's 
excellent podcast series to get the basics down.  I did, and they were what 
ultimately convinced me to switch.  THanks for that, Mike!  
I hope this helps somewhat, and that you ultimately decide to join the Mac 
family.
Best,
Zack.
On Mar 27, 2011, at 8:48 PM, Johchi wrote:

> Hi Brian,
> 
> First thanks for the kind welcome.
> 
> Well, my life is pretty simple.  As a piano tuner, I need a straight forward 
> database program, - which there is no real solution for screen reader users 
> in windows to date.  A simple checking/accounting program.  In Windows there 
> is a good check book program called Money Talks.  I'm wondering if there is a 
> Mac version of this program.  Anyway, I don't use a spreadsheet much except 
> for the schedule I get from my supervisor where I work part time at the VA 
> Hospital here.  Email is of course a must have along with the internet.  
> Lastly, in what I would really use daily is a daily planner and or calendar.  
> These last two items are also not an viable solution in Windows except for 
> Outlook Express's calendar which I don't use because I don't use Outlook 
> Express at all.  If I think about anything else I will let you all know.
> 
> Incidentally, because I am a musician, I do use a windows program called 
> Quick Windows Sequencer, (QWS).  Is anyone on the list familiar with this 
> program?  Is there a simalar program for the Mac?  Now I know that you can 
> also run a virtual windows on the Mac that will accommidate these Windows 
> based programs I do use, but at this time, I am only interested in what we as 
> blind folks can and cannot do on the Mac Apple platform.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Johnny

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Re: Two unrelated inquiries: Garage band accessibility and unlabeled Flash Player buttons on Web site

[Christine Grassman]

I was able to read the numbers, but there are supposed to be buttons to play so 
that you can hear the pronunciation.  Were you able to use those?
Christine
P.S. For material which requires Flash, is there anything we Mac users can use 
to access such material? It seems like a rather large audience to ignore.

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Re: Any VO limitations or concerns? Praises?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
The Mac has accessible email, internet, and calendar programs. As for checkbook 
software, I love Checkbook pro.
On Mar 27, 2011, at 10:48 PM, Johchi wrote:

> Hi Brian,
> 
> First thanks for the kind welcome.
> 
> Well, my life is pretty simple.  As a piano tuner, I need a straight forward 
> database program, - which there is no real solution for screen reader users 
> in windows to date.  A simple checking/accounting program.  In Windows there 
> is a good check book program called Money Talks.  I'm wondering if there is a 
> Mac version of this program.  Anyway, I don't use a spreadsheet much except 
> for the schedule I get from my supervisor where I work part time at the VA 
> Hospital here.  Email is of course a must have along with the internet.  
> Lastly, in what I would really use daily is a daily planner and or calendar.  
> These last two items are also not an viable solution in Windows except for 
> Outlook Express's calendar which I don't use because I don't use Outlook 
> Express at all.  If I think about anything else I will let you all know.
> 
> Incidentally, because I am a musician, I do use a windows program called 
> Quick Windows Sequencer, (QWS).  Is anyone on the list familiar with this 
> program?  Is there a simalar program for the Mac?  Now I know that you can 
> also run a virtual windows on the Mac that will accommidate these Windows 
> based programs I do use, but at this time, I am only interested in what we as 
> blind folks can and cannot do on the Mac Apple platform.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Johnny
> 
> On 3/27/2011 11:04 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
>> Hello Johnny,
>> 
>> Welcome to the List! Perhaps you could help us to help you by giving us a 
>> list of the specific tasks you need to be able to perform with a computer. 
>> While the Mac is good, it's not the best tool for everything and there are 
>> some things that just are not possible on the Mac. Microsoft Office, for 
>> example, is not accessible to VoiceOver on the Mac. There are alternative 
>> word processing and spreadsheet programs that are *mostly* accessible on the 
>> Mac, but if MS Office is a must have, you need to weigh your options 
>> carefully. In as few words as possible, tell us exactly what you are using 
>> now, what you absolutely need to use going forward, and I'm sure you will 
>> get plenty of responses.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Bryan
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Johchi wrote:
>>> My question has to do with convincing the PA State agency that getting VO 
>>> and the
>>> MacBook for me is a better choice then the traditional Windows screen 
>>> reader setup.
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Dropbox, changing password

[E.J. Zufelt]

Good morning,

Yesterday I had to change my DropBox password from DropBox.com.  Can anyone 
tell me the best and easiest way to change the password that DropBox on OS X 
has saved.

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Navigon tutorial

[E.J. Zufelt]

Good morning,

Yesterday I loaded Navigon onto my iPhone 3G S.  Can anyone please tell me if 
there is a useful intro or tutorial on using Navigon effectively with VoiceOver.

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trouble copying my virtual machine

[erik burggraaf]

hi guys,  I can't get my xp virtual machine to copy across the network.  The 
system says I don't have permission to read the file, but when I look, the 
everyone item shows read and write.  The file is locked, and I can uncheck the 
lock box and fill in my password but it doesn't unlock the file.  Is there 
anything I can do to get this file across short of making my macbook a firewire 
disk?

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Re: Navigon tutorial

[joseph]

hi

there is a good tutorial on blind coolteckh.

hth
On 28 Mar 2011, at 17:06, E.J. Zufelt wrote:

> Good morning,
> 
> Yesterday I loaded Navigon onto my iPhone 3G S.  Can anyone please tell me if 
> there is a useful intro or tutorial on using Navigon effectively with 
> VoiceOver.
> 
> Thanks,
> Everett Zufelt
> http://zufelt.ca
> 
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Re: Read system time with VO

[Caitlyn Furness]

Is this from anywhere?  I just tried this and I got a "ding" and no time.  I 
just made sure that vo can be controlled by apple scripts.

Thanks,
Caitlyn

On Mar 22, 2011, at 2:16 AM, wes smith wrote:

> Right option plus t.  Make  sure VO can be controlled with apple scripts.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 22, 2011, at 12:10 AM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
> 
>> Guys,
>> my apologies. I saw a post that explained how you use voice over to
>> read the computers system time but now I can't find it. Could you
>> please explain to me the easiest way to get to the system time without
>> having to use a bunch of right arrows?  Maybe keyboard commander?
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Re: Read system time with VO

[Caitlyn Furness]

Thanks!

I'm just learning all about the various commander type things.  I'd done all 
the other stuff associated with this option, *except* for turning on the 
keyboard commander.  Thanks!

Caitlyn

On Mar 22, 2011, at 4:06 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote:

> Go to Voiceover utility, and in the top general menu check the box to enable 
> Voiceover to be controlled by apple scripts. Then arrow down to the 
> commanders and enable keyboard commander. Once you have done it, within the 
> keyboard commander tab, you will see a table where in you ccan find the 
> already existing scripts and their functions like for instance launching 
> Safari or Mail by pressing Right option + s or right option + m respectively. 
> You can add your own scripts and shortcut keys to operate them. Read through 
> the Voiceover help files for more information. I have not designed my own 
> scripts but others certainly have done so.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> 
> On 22 Mar 2011, at 07:33, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> How do you enable apple scripts?
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Frustrating issues/Needs with Skype 5.1 and Voice Over

[Michael Busboom]

I am currently in a rather serious situation where using Skype and its video 
feature is a crucial need.  Unfortunately, I recently downloaded Skype 5.1, and 
its user interface is very very different from earlier versions such as 2.8 
which, I believe, was the prior stable version.

Here are my questions and needs:

1.  I can't find a way to navigate to contacts that aren't online.  I've tried 
going through some of the view options, but the best I can do is either get a 
list of current online contacts or a history of recent contacts with whom I 
have had conversations.  It is important for me to gain access to my entire 
Skype contact list.

2.  I cannot find a way to easily turn on my web camera while conversing with 
someone on Skype.  In previous versions, I could use the Voice Over Find 
command to get to the video button.  In the current version of Skype, the 
option to turn on and off the video at random is visually there, but I have 
thus far been able to get Voice Over to go to it.  I know that some people have 
had luck, but for me, it has been hit and miss--mostly miss.  Unfortunately,use 
of the web camera is crucially important for me, and I am at a loss as to how 
to configure Skype 5.1 so that I can quickly turn on and off the web camera.  
Using the Skype preference of having the web camera automatically be turned on 
when I call someone is not always an option, so I need to be able to turn this 
feature on and off at will.

3.  If it will be necessary for me to go back to an older version of Skype, 
where can I find it?

If I sound desperate, I am.  For professional reasons, I need these 
capabilities.

My best to all,

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Re: Frustrating issues/Needs with Skype 5.1 and Voice Over

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Mike,
I can answer at least some of your questions.  There is a way to see your 
entire contact list in Skype 5.  Whenever I log in, the first thing which 
appears is my entire list, offline and all.  It is useful to think of the Skype 
5 layout as similar to the iTunes layout, as you have a list of categories on 
the left and a dynamically changing list of options on the right, depending on 
what you select on the left.  I wouldn't mess with any view options until 
you've gotten used to the default layout, which does work quite well.
I don't use the web cam much, so I'm afraid I can't help with those particular 
questions.  All I can say is explore the window using the VO cursor, and don't 
overlook the menu bar and particularly the conversation menu.
Best,
Zack.
On Mar 28, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Michael Busboom wrote:

> I am currently in a rather serious situation where using Skype and its video 
> feature is a crucial need.  Unfortunately, I recently downloaded Skype 5.1, 
> and its user interface is very very different from earlier versions such as 
> 2.8 which, I believe, was the prior stable version.
> 
> Here are my questions and needs:
> 
> 1.  I can't find a way to navigate to contacts that aren't online.  I've 
> tried going through some of the view options, but the best I can do is either 
> get a list of current online contacts or a history of recent contacts with 
> whom I have had conversations.  It is important for me to gain access to my 
> entire Skype contact list.
> 
> 2.  I cannot find a way to easily turn on my web camera while conversing with 
> someone on Skype.  In previous versions, I could use the Voice Over Find 
> command to get to the video button.  In the current version of Skype, the 
> option to turn on and off the video at random is visually there, but I have 
> thus far been able to get Voice Over to go to it.  I know that some people 
> have had luck, but for me, it has been hit and miss--mostly miss.  
> Unfortunately,use of the web camera is crucially important for me, and I am 
> at a loss as to how to configure Skype 5.1 so that I can quickly turn on and 
> off the web camera.  Using the Skype preference of having the web camera 
> automatically be turned on when I call someone is not always an option, so I 
> need to be able to turn this feature on and off at will.
> 
> 3.  If it will be necessary for me to go back to an older version of Skype, 
> where can I find it?
> 
> If I sound desperate, I am.  For professional reasons, I need these 
> capabilities.
> 
> My best to all,
> 
> Mike
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Re: Frustrating issues/Needs with Skype 5.1 and Voice Over

[Simon Cavendish]

DEar Mike,

Regarding your video issue - I'm totally blind so I wasn't aware but those with 
whom I was talking told me that they couldn't see me - there is an option in 
the preferences for Skype which you activate with command+comma and then you 
interact with the toolbar and select the call button and look for the following 
"Start video automatically at the beginning of a call checked check box" which 
yo you check in order that you may be seen on camera.

The preference pane is probably worth exploring. I know it's frustrating - I've 
had a few hairy moments myself.

Hope this helps.

Simon
On 28 Mar 2011, at 20:29, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> I can answer at least some of your questions.  There is a way to see your 
> entire contact list in Skype 5.  Whenever I log in, the first thing which 
> appears is my entire list, offline and all.  It is useful to think of the 
> Skype 5 layout as similar to the iTunes layout, as you have a list of 
> categories on the left and a dynamically changing list of options on the 
> right, depending on what you select on the left.  I wouldn't mess with any 
> view options until you've gotten used to the default layout, which does work 
> quite well.
> I don't use the web cam much, so I'm afraid I can't help with those 
> particular questions.  All I can say is explore the window using the VO 
> cursor, and don't overlook the menu bar and particularly the conversation 
> menu.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Mar 28, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Michael Busboom wrote:
> 
>> I am currently in a rather serious situation where using Skype and its video 
>> feature is a crucial need.  Unfortunately, I recently downloaded Skype 5.1, 
>> and its user interface is very very different from earlier versions such as 
>> 2.8 which, I believe, was the prior stable version.
>> 
>> Here are my questions and needs:
>> 
>> 1.  I can't find a way to navigate to contacts that aren't online.  I've 
>> tried going through some of the view options, but the best I can do is 
>> either get a list of current online contacts or a history of recent contacts 
>> with whom I have had conversations.  It is important for me to gain access 
>> to my entire Skype contact list.
>> 
>> 2.  I cannot find a way to easily turn on my web camera while conversing 
>> with someone on Skype.  In previous versions, I could use the Voice Over 
>> Find command to get to the video button.  In the current version of Skype, 
>> the option to turn on and off the video at random is visually there, but I 
>> have thus far been able to get Voice Over to go to it.  I know that some 
>> people have had luck, but for me, it has been hit and miss--mostly miss.  
>> Unfortunately,use of the web camera is crucially important for me, and I am 
>> at a loss as to how to configure Skype 5.1 so that I can quickly turn on and 
>> off the web camera.  Using the Skype preference of having the web camera 
>> automatically be turned on when I call someone is not always an option, so I 
>> need to be able to turn this feature on and off at will.
>> 
>> 3.  If it will be necessary for me to go back to an older version of Skype, 
>> where can I find it?
>> 
>> If I sound desperate, I am.  For professional reasons, I need these 
>> capabilities.
>> 
>> My best to all,
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: Frustrating issues/Needs with Skype 5.1 and Voice Over

[Colin M]

Hi Mike!
You can change the contacts view by command+3 this is the short cut for 
contacts monitor or you can just press the contacts monitor button to get the 
same thing!
Command+1 for Skype
Command+2 for dial pad!
There is also a command to add people but I do not no if this will help with 
the camera!
That command is command+shift+a
hth Colin
Qapla!

Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak

On 28 Mar 2011, at 20:29, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> I can answer at least some of your questions.  There is a way to see your 
> entire contact list in Skype 5.  Whenever I log in, the first thing which 
> appears is my entire list, offline and all.  It is useful to think of the 
> Skype 5 layout as similar to the iTunes layout, as you have a list of 
> categories on the left and a dynamically changing list of options on the 
> right, depending on what you select on the left.  I wouldn't mess with any 
> view options until you've gotten used to the default layout, which does work 
> quite well.
> I don't use the web cam much, so I'm afraid I can't help with those 
> particular questions.  All I can say is explore the window using the VO 
> cursor, and don't overlook the menu bar and particularly the conversation 
> menu.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Mar 28, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Michael Busboom wrote:
> 
>> I am currently in a rather serious situation where using Skype and its video 
>> feature is a crucial need.  Unfortunately, I recently downloaded Skype 5.1, 
>> and its user interface is very very different from earlier versions such as 
>> 2.8 which, I believe, was the prior stable version.
>> 
>> Here are my questions and needs:
>> 
>> 1.  I can't find a way to navigate to contacts that aren't online.  I've 
>> tried going through some of the view options, but the best I can do is 
>> either get a list of current online contacts or a history of recent contacts 
>> with whom I have had conversations.  It is important for me to gain access 
>> to my entire Skype contact list.
>> 
>> 2.  I cannot find a way to easily turn on my web camera while conversing 
>> with someone on Skype.  In previous versions, I could use the Voice Over 
>> Find command to get to the video button.  In the current version of Skype, 
>> the option to turn on and off the video at random is visually there, but I 
>> have thus far been able to get Voice Over to go to it.  I know that some 
>> people have had luck, but for me, it has been hit and miss--mostly miss.  
>> Unfortunately,use of the web camera is crucially important for me, and I am 
>> at a loss as to how to configure Skype 5.1 so that I can quickly turn on and 
>> off the web camera.  Using the Skype preference of having the web camera 
>> automatically be turned on when I call someone is not always an option, so I 
>> need to be able to turn this feature on and off at will.
>> 
>> 3.  If it will be necessary for me to go back to an older version of Skype, 
>> where can I find it?
>> 
>> If I sound desperate, I am.  For professional reasons, I need these 
>> capabilities.
>> 
>> My best to all,
>> 
>> Mike
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Safari issues

[carlene knight]

 This piece of junk software will hardly run with VO anymore.  Sometimes it 
won't even load pages without a fight.  I improved the situation by unchecking 
a box relating to the VO cursor when loading pages.  I'm still having a lot of 
problems though, especially on dynamic pages like those in Facebook, but right 
now I am stuck on Google and a page won't even try to load.  It's like I didn't 
even ask it too though it says the button is pressed.  I tried Chrome, but it 
doesn't work quite right either.  I've ran permission repairs recently and a 
couple of months ago my husband set up a new Mac account entirely, totally 
starting from scratch again.  Does Web Kit work better?  I've got to do 
something before I go MacMad.  I'm restarting VO several times a day, and 
sometimes that doesn't even help.  My sighted husband says that a  lot of the 
problem is VO as he watches web pages load that VO acts like aren't loaded.  
Thanks in advance.

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Re: Read system time with VO

[Christine Grassman]

Do you have keyboard commender set, and did you make sure to press the right 
option, as opposed to the left option or the command key?
Christine
On Mar 28, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

> Is this from anywhere?  I just tried this and I got a "ding" and no time.  I 
> just made sure that vo can be controlled by apple scripts.
> 
> Thanks,
> Caitlyn
> 
> On Mar 22, 2011, at 2:16 AM, wes smith wrote:
> 
>> Right option plus t.  Make  sure VO can be controlled with apple scripts.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2011, at 12:10 AM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
>> 
>>> Guys,
>>> my apologies. I saw a post that explained how you use voice over to
>>> read the computers system time but now I can't find it. Could you
>>> please explain to me the easiest way to get to the system time without
>>> having to use a bunch of right arrows?  Maybe keyboard commander?
>>> 
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Re: Safari issues

[Zachary Kline]

Hi,
All I can say is that I'm surprised you're having so many issues.  My web pages 
always seem to load quite quickly.  I've occasionally ran into the issue of 
Safari seeming not to want to load a particular page, but only when the site in 
question was having problems of its own.  May I ask how you are loading your 
pages?  Are you using cmd-l to get to the location bar and typing there?  
That's what I do.  I ask mostly because I'm not sure what you are talking about 
when you say that VO says the button is pressed.  Can you clarify what you mean 
by being "stuck on Google?"  I experienced a particular problem yesterday with 
a page refusing to load, though, again, it was because the site was having its 
own problems.
I'm sorry you're having such issues, but I can't reproduce them at all.  
Best,
Zack.
On Mar 28, 2011, at 1:56 PM, carlene knight wrote:

> This piece of junk software will hardly run with VO anymore.  Sometimes it 
> won't even load pages without a fight.  I improved the situation by 
> unchecking a box relating to the VO cursor when loading pages.  I'm still 
> having a lot of problems though, especially on dynamic pages like those in 
> Facebook, but right now I am stuck on Google and a page won't even try to 
> load.  It's like I didn't even ask it too though it says the button is 
> pressed.  I tried Chrome, but it doesn't work quite right either.  I've ran 
> permission repairs recently and a couple of months ago my husband set up a 
> new Mac account entirely, totally starting from scratch again.  Does Web Kit 
> work better?  I've got to do something before I go MacMad.  I'm restarting VO 
> several times a day, and sometimes that doesn't even help.  My sighted 
> husband says that a  lot of the problem is VO as he watches web pages load 
> that VO acts like aren't loaded.  Thanks in advance.
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Unlabeled Flash Player Buttons on http://bitesizeirish.com [Was, Re: Two unrelated inquiries: Garage band accessibility and unlabeled Flash Player buttons on Web site]

[Bryan Jones]

Hi Christine,

I modified the subject line to separate this out from your Garageband question. 
Flash is largely inaccessible using VO and I've pasted some details about that 
at the bottom of this message. But first, here's a method you might find 
helpful when attempting to access those flash elements on the Irish Gaelic 
language lesson website. These tips came from other listers in the past, as we 
all eventually bump up against the inaccessible Flash content issue at some 
point. This workaround assumes you either have Mouse Keys turned on (Press the 
Option key 5 times quickly to toggle mousekeys) or you have a mouse or trackpad 
attached to your Mac and have the trackpad commander toggled off (VO + Rotor on 
the trackpad).
1. Install Flash Player.
2. Install the Safari ClickToFlash extension as mentioned in my previous email.
3. Restart Safari.
4. Go to your website: http://bitesizeirish.com
5. Navigate to the "Demo" link and press VO Space.
6. Navigate to the free demo lesson and press VO Space.
7. Press Command + Control + A to tell Click To Flash to load all flash 
elements on the current screen.
8. Navigate to item one in the demo lesson.
9. Press VO - Command - F5 to route the mouse cursor to the VO cursor. (Note -- 
Add the Fn key to that combo if using a macbook).
10. Use your Mouse Keys, trackpad or mouse to move the mouse cursor just 
slightly to the left until you hear VO announce "Empty scroll area." This means 
your mouse pointer is on the flash Play button. CLick your mouse or trackpad to 
activate the play button and you should hear the pronunciation. Repeat steps 8, 
9 & 10 for each item in the lesson.

As far as true accessibility of Flash Player under Mac OS, Adobe announced one 
year ago that they would be implementing accessibility in the next major 
release of Flash Player across Mac, Linux and Windows platforms. That major 
release has yet to see the light of day and Adobe has given no ETA. Here's 
their blog on the subject and you can add a comment to the blog if you so 
desire.
http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html

Also, you might consider contacting the developers of the Gaelic lessons 
website to ask if they could change from flash or add an accessible alternative.

HTH,
Bryan

On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> I was able to read the numbers, but there are supposed to be buttons to play 
> so that you can hear the pronunciation.  Were you able to use those?
> P.S. For material which requires Flash, is there anything we Mac users can 
> use to access such material? It seems like a rather large audience to ignore.

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Re: Unlabeled Flash Player Buttons on http://bitesizeirish.com [Was, Re: Two unrelated inquiries: Garage band accessibility and unlabeled Flash Player buttons on Web site]

[Christine Grassman]

Wow. Thanks so much for this; probably wait till this weekend so I can set 
aside a block of time to try this! I did write to the developer, but did not 
know what to suggest as an alternative to Flash. Are there any resources I 
could send him? 
Thanks.

Christine
On Mar 28, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

> Hi Christine,
> 
> I modified the subject line to separate this out from your Garageband 
> question. Flash is largely inaccessible using VO and I've pasted some details 
> about that at the bottom of this message. But first, here's a method you 
> might find helpful when attempting to access those flash elements on the 
> Irish Gaelic language lesson website. These tips came from other listers in 
> the past, as we all eventually bump up against the inaccessible Flash content 
> issue at some point. This workaround assumes you either have Mouse Keys 
> turned on (Press the Option key 5 times quickly to toggle mousekeys) or you 
> have a mouse or trackpad attached to your Mac and have the trackpad commander 
> toggled off (VO + Rotor on the trackpad).
> 1. Install Flash Player.
> 2. Install the Safari ClickToFlash extension as mentioned in my previous 
> email.
> 3. Restart Safari.
> 4. Go to your website: http://bitesizeirish.com
> 5. Navigate to the "Demo" link and press VO Space.
> 6. Navigate to the free demo lesson and press VO Space.
> 7. Press Command + Control + A to tell Click To Flash to load all flash 
> elements on the current screen.
> 8. Navigate to item one in the demo lesson.
> 9. Press VO - Command - F5 to route the mouse cursor to the VO cursor. (Note 
> -- Add the Fn key to that combo if using a macbook).
> 10. Use your Mouse Keys, trackpad or mouse to move the mouse cursor just 
> slightly to the left until you hear VO announce "Empty scroll area." This 
> means your mouse pointer is on the flash Play button. CLick your mouse or 
> trackpad to activate the play button and you should hear the pronunciation. 
> Repeat steps 8, 9 & 10 for each item in the lesson.
> 
> As far as true accessibility of Flash Player under Mac OS, Adobe announced 
> one year ago that they would be implementing accessibility in the next major 
> release of Flash Player across Mac, Linux and Windows platforms. That major 
> release has yet to see the light of day and Adobe has given no ETA. Here's 
> their blog on the subject and you can add a comment to the blog if you so 
> desire.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html
> 
> Also, you might consider contacting the developers of the Gaelic lessons 
> website to ask if they could change from flash or add an accessible 
> alternative.
> 
> HTH,
> Bryan
> 
> On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>> I was able to read the numbers, but there are supposed to be buttons to play 
>> so that you can hear the pronunciation.  Were you able to use those?
>> P.S. For material which requires Flash, is there anything we Mac users can 
>> use to access such material? It seems like a rather large audience to ignore.
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Re: Frustrating issues/Needs with Skype 5.1 and Voice Over

[carolyn Haas]

Hi Michael:
I'll agree with you that Skype is kind of a mess these days.  I can tell you I 
managed to find the off-line contacts as "addressbook", which I was able to 
expand and make some use of.  Be sure to interact with every little thing when 
you're exploring the Skype tables.


As far as going back to 2.8, my only suggestion would be to try googling for it.

Hope this helps just a little.

  
On Mar 28, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Michael Busboom wrote:

> I am currently in a rather serious situation where using Skype and its video 
> feature is a crucial need.  Unfortunately, I recently downloaded Skype 5.1, 
> and its user interface is very very different from earlier versions such as 
> 2.8 which, I believe, was the prior stable version.
> 
> Here are my questions and needs:
> 
> 1.  I can't find a way to navigate to contacts that aren't online.  I've 
> tried going through some of the view options, but the best I can do is either 
> get a list of current online contacts or a history of recent contacts with 
> whom I have had conversations.  It is important for me to gain access to my 
> entire Skype contact list.
> 
> 2.  I cannot find a way to easily turn on my web camera while conversing with 
> someone on Skype.  In previous versions, I could use the Voice Over Find 
> command to get to the video button.  In the current version of Skype, the 
> option to turn on and off the video at random is visually there, but I have 
> thus far been able to get Voice Over to go to it.  I know that some people 
> have had luck, but for me, it has been hit and miss--mostly miss.  
> Unfortunately,use of the web camera is crucially important for me, and I am 
> at a loss as to how to configure Skype 5.1 so that I can quickly turn on and 
> off the web camera.  Using the Skype preference of having the web camera 
> automatically be turned on when I call someone is not always an option, so I 
> need to be able to turn this feature on and off at will.
> 
> 3.  If it will be necessary for me to go back to an older version of Skype, 
> where can I find it?
> 
> If I sound desperate, I am.  For professional reasons, I need these 
> capabilities.
> 
> My best to all,
> 
> Mike
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Re: acapella voices

[Caitlyn Furness]

Are the nuance voices available for the mac?  I didn't think they were?

I'm using my 30 day demo of the acapela British voices right now and they seem 
pretty responsive to me so far.  I do get what you're saying about some 
languages, though.  That would drive me crazy if I had to deal with it all the 
time.

Caitlyn

On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:25 PM, AZ wrote:

> Hi.
> Maybe these voices are more responsive, but I don't like them because they 
> are not correct with other languages. Using a russian voice I can't read 
> english words because of the pronounciation, and it takes a lot of time 
> making a dictionary. It's a reason for me to like voices from Nuance, I think 
> they are more correct.
> AZ
> 
> 22.03.2011 21:58, Anne Robertson writes:
>> Hello Denise,
>> 
>> The Acapela voices are excellent. The only minor drawback is that they 
>> cannot change pitch to indicate a capital letter. Otherwise, no problem and 
>> if anything, they're more responsive than Alex.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
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Re: VoiceOver and say time

[carlene knight]

Try left option=t.  That worked for me before we totally redid my computer from 
scratch.
On Mar 7, 2011, at 12:24 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> no, all fine on my 27in iMac and my 11in Air.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> Talks List Administrator
> 
> Twitter @NeilBarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
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> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> On 7 Mar 2011, at 07:53, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have an issue with VoiceOver and say time by pressing right Option + T.
> 
> Of course I enabled the keyboard comander and the key combination is right 
> Option + T. 
> On my iMac it works fine. But on my new MacBook Air 13 inch, newest edition, 
> it doesn't. On both machines runs Snow Leopard with all updates. 
> When I press right Option + T on the MacBook Air in most cases VoiceOver 
> crashes. Then I have to press CMD + F5 several times until VO restarts. I 
> guess it happens in 4 of 5 cases.
> 
> I also wrote to accessibil...@apple.com. They asked for my VoiceOver settings 
> file and I sent it. After a few days the answer was that there was no problem 
> on their MacBook Air. VoiceOver behaved OK.
> 
> So I want to ask if anyone here also discovered such problems by using right 
> Option + T. 
> 
> Thanks and regards
> Jürgen
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Re: VoiceOver and say time

[carlene knight]

Failed to mention that I had it set for right option as well.  Now I can use 
either one and it works.
On Mar 7, 2011, at 12:24 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> no, all fine on my 27in iMac and my 11in Air.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> Talks List Administrator
> 
> Twitter @NeilBarnfather
> 
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> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> On 7 Mar 2011, at 07:53, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have an issue with VoiceOver and say time by pressing right Option + T.
> 
> Of course I enabled the keyboard comander and the key combination is right 
> Option + T. 
> On my iMac it works fine. But on my new MacBook Air 13 inch, newest edition, 
> it doesn't. On both machines runs Snow Leopard with all updates. 
> When I press right Option + T on the MacBook Air in most cases VoiceOver 
> crashes. Then I have to press CMD + F5 several times until VO restarts. I 
> guess it happens in 4 of 5 cases.
> 
> I also wrote to accessibil...@apple.com. They asked for my VoiceOver settings 
> file and I sent it. After a few days the answer was that there was no problem 
> on their MacBook Air. VoiceOver behaved OK.
> 
> So I want to ask if anyone here also discovered such problems by using right 
> Option + T. 
> 
> Thanks and regards
> Jürgen
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Re: Frustrating issues/Needs with Skype 5.1 and Voice Over

[Colin M]

Hi Carolyn!
Hopefully you have red my previous post to mike's question!
I forgot to mention last time that I've recently upgraded to Skype Version 
5.1.0.914 and it has 2 tabs in the main window!
1st tab Skype
2nd tab address contacts!
So if you now pick the 2nd tab that will give you a list of your address book 
numbers for landlines and mobiles and the 1st one gives you your Skype contacts!
hth Colin
Qapla!
Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak

On 28 Mar 2011, at 23:18, carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi Michael:
> I'll agree with you that Skype is kind of a mess these days.  I can tell you 
> I managed to find the off-line contacts as "address book", which I was able 
> to expand and make some use of.  Be sure to interact with every little thing 
> when you're exploring the Skype tables.
> 
> 
> As far as going back to 2.8, my only suggestion would be to try googling for 
> it.
> 
> Hope this helps just a little.
> 
> 
> On Mar 28, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Michael Busboom wrote:
> 
>> I am currently in a rather serious situation where using Skype and its video 
>> feature is a crucial need.  Unfortunately, I recently downloaded Skype 5.1, 
>> and its user interface is very very different from earlier versions such as 
>> 2.8 which, I believe, was the prior stable version.
>> 
>> Here are my questions and needs:
>> 
>> 1.  I can't find a way to navigate to contacts that aren't online.  I've 
>> tried going through some of the view options, but the best I can do is 
>> either get a list of current online contacts or a history of recent contacts 
>> with whom I have had conversations.  It is important for me to gain access 
>> to my entire Skype contact list.
>> 
>> 2.  I cannot find a way to easily turn on my web camera while conversing 
>> with someone on Skype.  In previous versions, I could use the Voice Over 
>> Find command to get to the video button.  In the current version of Skype, 
>> the option to turn on and off the video at random is visually there, but I 
>> have thus far been able to get Voice Over to go to it.  I know that some 
>> people have had luck, but for me, it has been hit and miss--mostly miss.  
>> Unfortunately,use of the web camera is crucially important for me, and I am 
>> at a loss as to how to configure Skype 5.1 so that I can quickly turn on and 
>> off the web camera.  Using the Skype preference of having the web camera 
>> automatically be turned on when I call someone is not always an option, so I 
>> need to be able to turn this feature on and off at will.
>> 
>> 3.  If it will be necessary for me to go back to an older version of Skype, 
>> where can I find it?
>> 
>> If I sound desperate, I am.  For professional reasons, I need these 
>> capabilities.
>> 
>> My best to all,
>> 
>> Mike
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Introducing myself, and a couple of questions

[Gail the U. S. Male]

Hi List.  I just joined over the weekend.  Thanks to Mike Arrigo's excellent
podcasts, I'm trying, and switching to the mac, once I'm a bit more
comfortable with it.  I have a mac mini running Leopard.I've been a windows
user since 1998, but it's kind of fun learning the mac and voice over. Now
for my questions.
1.  I use Magic Jack on my windows machine, and am wondering if it will work
on the mac, not running windows, or is there a good VOIP solution for the
mac?
2.  I'd love to upgrade both my RAM and my hard drive.  Is the Hard drive a
laptop drive?
3. Also, has anyone opened up a Mac Mini, and if so, could you write me off
list, and tell me how it opens?
Thanks for any help anyone can give me, and I'm sure I'll be coming back
with lots of questions, as I go forward on this journey.

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Re: Introducing myself, and a couple of questions

[Bryan Jones]

Hi Gail,

Welcome to the List! Some Mac Minis are harder than others to upgrade. Can you 
tell us what model of Mini you have, the processor, RAM and hard drive size / 
interface? You can find all of this info in the System Profiler application 
found in your Applications / Utilities folder. Also tell us what exact version 
of OSX you are running. You can find this by choosing the Apple menu and 
selecting "About this Mac."

Cheers,
Bryan

On Mar 28, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Gail the U. S. Male wrote:
> 2.  I'd love to upgrade both my RAM and my hard drive.  Is the Hard drive a
> laptop drive?
> 3. Also, has anyone opened up a Mac Mini, and if so, could you write me off
> list, and tell me how it opens?

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Re: Any VO limitations or concerns? Praises?

[Mike Arrigo]

I find it interesting that the first evaluator made a recomendation about 
something he knew nothing about. It really depends on what you want to do. All 
of the common tasks one would use a computer for are useable on the mac 
platform? You might also mention that with the mac, there will not be separate 
fees to upgrade the screen reader. I have a macbook, and I love it. Is voice 
over perfect, no, but no screen reader is perfect. If someone tells you a 
certain screen reader is the best, or is perfect, that should raise a red flag. 
However, I would put the features and useability of voiceover against any of 
the windows screen readers any day.
On Mar 27, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Johchi wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I'm not a Mac user yet, but I am learning sooo much by gtleaning from this 
> wonderful
> list.
> My question has to do with convincing the PA State agency that getting VO and 
> the
> MacBook for me is a better choice then the traditional Windows screen reader 
> setup.
> But I want to be completely honest with you:
> Since I'm not currently an Apple products user, I really don't know if the 
> Mac is
> really the best way for me to go.  I'm an educated professional piano 
> technician
> who is also a musician keyboardist.  But the State won't purchase anything 
> for me
> based on personal musical ambition.  I have joined this list and the AiPhone 
> list
> in order to hear for myself just how accessible the apple platform really is. 
>  I
> must say that I am quite amazed beyond words on how much blind folks are able 
> to
> accomplish on the touch screen iPhone.  So needless to say, I am looking 
> forward
> to the iPhone 5 when it comes out, and I'll probably be getting something in 
> an iPhone
> for myself at that time.  But anyway, getting back to my situation with the 
> State
> getting me some new computer equipment:
> Their immediate response to my interests for having a Mac was negative.  Why? 
>  Because
> the guy hired to do my equipment evaluation has had zero experience using a 
> Mac and
> so he told the agency that he felt that it was in his opinion that it was a 
> bad idea
> to get me a Mac.  I immediately came back with saying to them that it was my 
> right
> to make my own choice as to what equipment I would like to have use of.  And 
> that
> my choice of equipment was being discriminated against based on their lack of 
> knowledge
> and understanding of the subject.  They then quickly changed their tune and 
> gave
> me another equipment evaluator to work with me who they say is familiar with 
> the
> Mac platform and said that they would have to go with his recommendations 
> thereafter.
> I have yet to meet with this second person.
> Consequently, in the meantime I am needing to get as much concrete evidence 
> that
> VO on a Mac is perfectly viable and that everything I need to do on the 
> MacBook is
> accessible, or better yet, even better accessible then the Windows / 
> Microsoft platform
> using the latest WE screen reader alone..
> So I need to locate information supporting the ability for the blind to be 
> able to
> use the MacBook successfully.Please be so kind as to briefly speak to this 
> matter
> with either your own testimonies of your own success and support, or 
> negatatives
> and concerns concerning the use of the Apple Mac platform for the blind 
> computer
> user.
> Thanks much,
> --
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> 814-450-5433
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Re: Any VO limitations or concerns? Praises?

[Mike Arrigo]

You're welcome, it's reasons like this that I did them.
On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi Johnny,
> I think that overall the Mac should have little trouble doing what you have 
> in mind for it.  I can't speak to database software myself, as I don't use 
> any.  I know it exists though.  I'm not a musician, and am in no position to 
> comment favorably or otherwise on a sequencer, though I'm sure that exists 
> too.
> As for my own experiences, they have been overwhelmingly positive.  Apple has 
> done a great thing for the blind community, particularly because the Mac is 
> the only computer we can grab off the shelf from a store and use without any 
> special considerations.  I can't stress enough how liberating that fact is.  
> True, the machines do cost a little more than PCs might, but you aren't 
> paying the $1,000 or so for Jaws or Window-Eyes, either.
> I need to second the recommendations of others that you listen to Mike's 
> excellent podcast series to get the basics down.  I did, and they were what 
> ultimately convinced me to switch.  THanks for that, Mike!  
> I hope this helps somewhat, and that you ultimately decide to join the Mac 
> family.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Mar 27, 2011, at 8:48 PM, Johchi wrote:
> 
>> Hi Brian,
>> 
>> First thanks for the kind welcome.
>> 
>> Well, my life is pretty simple.  As a piano tuner, I need a straight forward 
>> database program, - which there is no real solution for screen reader users 
>> in windows to date.  A simple checking/accounting program.  In Windows there 
>> is a good check book program called Money Talks.  I'm wondering if there is 
>> a Mac version of this program.  Anyway, I don't use a spreadsheet much 
>> except for the schedule I get from my supervisor where I work part time at 
>> the VA Hospital here.  Email is of course a must have along with the 
>> internet.  Lastly, in what I would really use daily is a daily planner and 
>> or calendar.  These last two items are also not an viable solution in 
>> Windows except for Outlook Express's calendar which I don't use because I 
>> don't use Outlook Express at all.  If I think about anything else I will let 
>> you all know.
>> 
>> Incidentally, because I am a musician, I do use a windows program called 
>> Quick Windows Sequencer, (QWS).  Is anyone on the list familiar with this 
>> program?  Is there a simalar program for the Mac?  Now I know that you can 
>> also run a virtual windows on the Mac that will accommidate these Windows 
>> based programs I do use, but at this time, I am only interested in what we 
>> as blind folks can and cannot do on the Mac Apple platform.
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> 
>> Johnny
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Re: Navigon tutorial

[Mike Arrigo]

You might check out the pod cast I did on blindcooltech comparing GPS apps on 
the iphone. That should get you started.
On Mar 28, 2011, at 11:06 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:

> Good morning,
> 
> Yesterday I loaded Navigon onto my iPhone 3G S.  Can anyone please tell me if 
> there is a useful intro or tutorial on using Navigon effectively with 
> VoiceOver.
> 
> Thanks,
> Everett Zufelt
> http://zufelt.ca
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Re: Bluetooth on Brailliant 40 Display

[Les Kriegler]

Hi James,

I get that message sometimes with my Connect 24 even though I'm using it 
regularly.  I have to forget the device and set up the pairing again.  
Obviously a bug that hopefully Apple will fix.  Just ignore that message and do 
what you need to do to get it to work.

Les
On Mar 27, 2011, at 7:16 AM, James Gallagher wrote:

> Hello Sarai
> 
> well Sarai that got it I am in the Advanced menu and I put Bluetooth on and 
> My MacBook Pro found
> the Brailliant 40 on the Bluetooth and been using it great.
> 
> May I ask another question Please if i may I got an e-mail from a member 
> saying that this Display is not 
> supported in IOS4  (According to Apple, your version of the Brailliant is not 
>  supported on IOS 4.)  
> 
> can any one here who has the version of the Brailliant 40 please let me know 
> that this will work
> with the IPad Please. 
> 
> again Thank you Sarai and Scott Thank you very much for all your help I am 
> very Grateful to you. 
> 
> Yours
> James
> 
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Re: Introducing myself, and a couple of questions

[Ashley Cox]

I can answer the last 2 questions.
It is possible to upgrade the ram and the hdd; they are both laptop 
components. The harddrive is a 5400 rpm sata laptop harddrive.


how to get inside?
depends what mac mini you have. If you have the 2007-2009 mac mini (or a 
power pc mac mini), not one of the aluminium ones, you must use one of 
those long flat knives, I forget what they're called. Turn the mac 
up-side-down, and press the nice in the crack between the metal outside 
and the plastic base. Push up gently, and apply a little more force if 
needed, untill the metal pops out. You will hear pops and clicks, this 
is normal.


once all sides are done, lift the mac mini out of the top.



teh components you want to upgrade are right at the bottom. There are 
some spring-loaded arials for the airport and bluethooth, find and 
remove them by pushing the 2 clips (be very, very gentle).

\
then, in each corner of the cd drive is a screw, remove all 4 (the 
bottom right is a little longer)


lift the cd drive assembley out, and unplug it. there's teh harddrive in 
the cage underneath that. and near that is the ram.


If you have one of the latest mac minis, the unibody aluminium one, turn 
the mac up-side-down and feel for the small indentations in the bottom. 
Put your fingers into them, and twist to the left. the bottom will turn. 
Then, life it off and...


hth!
Ash
On 29/03/2011 00:26, Gail the U. S. Male wrote:

Hi List.  I just joined over the weekend.  Thanks to Mike Arrigo's excellent
podcasts, I'm trying, and switching to the mac, once I'm a bit more
comfortable with it.  I have a mac mini running Leopard.I've been a windows
user since 1998, but it's kind of fun learning the mac and voice over. Now
for my questions.
1.  I use Magic Jack on my windows machine, and am wondering if it will work
on the mac, not running windows, or is there a good VOIP solution for the
mac?
2.  I'd love to upgrade both my RAM and my hard drive.  Is the Hard drive a
laptop drive?
3. Also, has anyone opened up a Mac Mini, and if so, could you write me off
list, and tell me how it opens?
Thanks for any help anyone can give me, and I'm sure I'll be coming back
with lots of questions, as I go forward on this journey.



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