RE: questions about NVDA

[Simon Fogarty]

Great, thanks for telling me that now. I was hoping to install boot camp on
my new mbp 13inch when it arrives in about a week.

 So would I be better then using vm fusion or  virtual box?

 Or will windows 7 be fine in a bootcamp setup?

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2009 8:29 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: questions about NVDA

Hello Christina,  

I have both Windows and a MacBook Pro computer.  In addition to using Jaws
in Windows 7, I am a longtime user of Zoomtext which I am also using in
Windows 7 on my Windows based computers.

You are correct in that, at present, Zoomtext 9.1 does not work in
virtualized environments thus, you will, indeed need to run Windows 7 in
Bootcamp on your Mac.

Please be aware that, unless something has changed since last I checked,
there are currently audio driver compatibility problems when running
BootCamp on the 13 inch MacBook Pro.

Mark 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: questions about NVDA

Hello all,

I saw a discussion earlier and the subject line was something like  
back on a mac.  Well someone mentioned NVDA on windows seven.  I have  
not installed windows on my macbook.  However I've considered it  
simply because I'd like to try using zoomtext to try to look at photos  
as I do not feel the built in zoom for the mac is good for that.  I  
have lost so much vision lately so I'm not sure if even zoom text  
would help but I am thinking of trying.  I understand that zoomtext  
will not work in the virtual enviornment and therefore I would have to  
use boot camp.

So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen  
reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and  
how robust this is.

Thanks,
Christina

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RE: questions about NVDA

[Joe Plummer]

Hi, using Fusion you can now run it off of Boot camp. So you can have Fusion
and Boot cam n the same Mac now. Just thought I would pass this along.
Sign,
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: questions about NVDA

Great, thanks for telling me that now. I was hoping to install boot camp on
my new mbp 13inch when it arrives in about a week.

 So would I be better then using vm fusion or  virtual box?

 Or will windows 7 be fine in a bootcamp setup?

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2009 8:29 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: questions about NVDA

Hello Christina,  

I have both Windows and a MacBook Pro computer.  In addition to using Jaws
in Windows 7, I am a longtime user of Zoomtext which I am also using in
Windows 7 on my Windows based computers.

You are correct in that, at present, Zoomtext 9.1 does not work in
virtualized environments thus, you will, indeed need to run Windows 7 in
Bootcamp on your Mac.

Please be aware that, unless something has changed since last I checked,
there are currently audio driver compatibility problems when running
BootCamp on the 13 inch MacBook Pro.

Mark 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: questions about NVDA

Hello all,

I saw a discussion earlier and the subject line was something like back on a
mac.  Well someone mentioned NVDA on windows seven.  I have not installed
windows on my macbook.  However I've considered it simply because I'd like
to try using zoomtext to try to look at photos as I do not feel the built in
zoom for the mac is good for that.  I have lost so much vision lately so I'm
not sure if even zoom text would help but I am thinking of trying.  I
understand that zoomtext will not work in the virtual enviornment and
therefore I would have to use boot camp.

So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen reader
like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and how robust
this is.

Thanks,
Christina

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RE: It's pointless!

[Joe Plummer]

You said a mouth full. Totally agree.
 


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jake
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:31 PM
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: It's pointless!

Hi
I don't think "convert" is the right idea here. It makes it sound like a
religion, and I don't like religions let alone making one out of something
like a computer. The important thing is for people to know their options,
that they have options, and to try and keep their minds open. Those who like
the Mac will explore it, those who don't want to switch to another platform
will not. There's the closed-minded types on both sides of the fence as
well, and talking to someone who is determined to keep their mind closed
regardless of the topic of conversation is pointless.
In my case, there are two people who have tried the Mac at my suggestion.
Both have really liked it and both now own Macs and use them as their
primary machine. However, they were already sick to the teeth of Windows and
the accompanying problems a screen reader creates in that environment. In
the end, people will be drawn to the tools they enjoy using the most. What
we must fight is closed-mindedness and the disinformation of the type it
seems the blind organizations and AT vendors are determined to spread.
I use the Mac because it does everything I need, is simple, and accessible
out of the box. I have to admit to some brand loyalty to Apple as well as a
result of their push for accessibility in the past few years. I, personally,
think it's a much better system. We must recognize, though, that this is
subjective and in the end comes down to an individual's needs and/or
preferences.

Jess wrote:
> Folks, if you want to argue with a die hard Windows user and try to
convince him or her that the Mac is better, good luck. I challenge anybody
to convert a Windows user to the Mac. Can it be done?
>
> Jess

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RE: It's pointless!

[Joe Plummer]

Yes, this is very well said. When Jess said you can't convert a windows user
to a Mac user, he did not stop and think most of the people on this list was
Windows users before they got their Mac! Yes you have disadvantages and
advantages to both OS as well with most other OS systems. You also will not
find one screen reader to do everything. Different ones does different
things that might be done better by the other! I am a Window's user that is
in the process of getting a Mac. I know that I will enjoy my Mac and use the
Mac OS for something's and I will use Window's for other things. That is
because Window's does things better than Mac does on something's and Mac
does something's better than windows. The same with Screen Readers the Mac
VO will do something's better than the Window's screen Readers and Window's
screen readers does something's better than the Mac VO does. You must be
open minded and willing to try different things. This being said different
strokes for different folks! Just my thoughts.



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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:50 PM
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Subject: RE: It's pointless!

John, 

Amen and very, very well said.

M

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John G. Heim
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:49 PM
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Subject: Re: It's pointless!

Well, could you be convinced that a Windows PC is better?  I challenge
anyone to change the mind of a die hard Mac user that a Windows machine is
better.
There are just as many people on this list who couldn't be convinced that
Windows is just as good as a Mac. Its not like Windows users are genetically

predisposed to be bull headed. Mac users are just as bad.

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Subject: It's pointless!


> Folks, if you want to argue with a die hard Windows user and try to 
> convince him or her that the Mac is better, good luck. I challenge anybody

> to convert a Windows user to the Mac. Can it be done?
>
> Jess
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RE: It's pointless!

[Joe Plummer]

Another good mouth full!
 


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Schneider
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:45 PM
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Subject: Re: It's pointless!

Jess, I for one am a recent switcher.  I was myself a diehard Windows user
and I thought it would always be that way, but I needed a new computer and
Windows 7 was not yet out, Freedom Scientific started doing things that I
did not like, and I joined this list to learn about the Mac as a possible
alternative.  Between Mike Arigo's podcast series on the Mac and the
wonderful people on this list, I was converted lock stock and barrel.  Yes,
I still like Windows and am thinking of installing it on this computer via
Fusion, but I am not in any real hurry to do that right now, as the Mac
meets about 99 percent of my needs.  The answer to whether a diehard Windows
user can be converted depends mostly on the Windows user herself.  If you
don't have an open mind, are unwilling or unable to cope with change, are
not truly committed to sitting down and learning a new system, have some
sort of psychological baggage about the Mac or simply don't have the money
for a Mac, then you won't be converted.  No one should be forced or coerced
into doing something they don't want to, but I think that to be
closed-minded about other possibilities is a very unfortunate way to be.
Everyone is different, but the first step in becoming a switcher is to
accept the idea that there might be something out there that is better than
what you are used to or could be of some benefit to your entertainment or
productivity.  I don't get political about my technology.  I am willing to
use whatever can help me get the job done in the most efficient and
cost-effective manner.  I see it this way, life is hard and I need all the
tools I can get in my toolbox.  Sometimes I need Windows, especially at
work.   Sometimes I really need my iPod, like when I am on the go, and
sometimes I need my Mac because I want to use a wonderful, stable computer
system and I have a great deal of respect for Apple and all they are doing
to make technology accessible to everyone.  I'm not sure if that answers
your question.

Lynn Schneider
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On Dec 10, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Jess wrote:

> Folks, if you want to argue with a die hard Windows user and try to
convince him or her that the Mac is better, good luck. I challenge anybody
to convert a Windows user to the Mac. Can it be done?
> 
> Jess
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Re: It's pointless!

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Technically, this is called Macvisionaries. Which would seem to me as if this 
is a Mac list where visually impaired people can discuss things about the Mac, 
not necessarily VoiceOver. 

Furthermore, the manual probably provides information on what you've already 
asked where the iPhone is concerned. I definitely don't try to shove it down 
people's throat, because if they don't have a need to switch or aren't 
frustrated enough with their current operating system, that's great. More power 
to you. I personally would never go back to the Windows due to my frequent 
crashes, but that's my opinion and only mine. I'm not forcing people to think 
that the Mac is so much better, because the fact is that operating systems have 
different advantages and disadvantages when comparing them. Frankly, I don't 
even agree to compare operating systems. An operating system is its own system, 
and it works differently than what you might be used to. No one should, at any 
point, expect their old operating system to behave like the new one simply 
because they have gotten used to the way their previous system performed. It's 
just like the situation with the iPhone. The iPhone or the Macintosh is not the 
perfect solution for everyone, nor is any operating system. Some are happy with 
paying manufacturers for screen access technology and software maintenance 
agreements, and that's great. If it works well for you, why switch? Though the 
Mac has a powerful screen reader which surpasses the commercially available 
screen readers in my opinion, what you already own might work well for you. In 
this case, there is certainly no need to switch to another operating system or 
phone just to save money. I'm only really mentioning the Mac because this is 
the Macvisionaries after all.

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On Dec 11, 2009, at 12:15 AM, Mark Gilland wrote:

> Guies, let's get back to voiceover, I don't frankly wanna hear how one 
> person made their wife bitch about x y and zed, nor would! make 'em do such. 
> I know yhou're kidding but, come on, I'll admit I got a bit off topic with 
> the IPhone stuff and IPod stuff, but, that was only cause I didn't know 
> where else to turn, being I didn't know another list, but that is why I 
> asked.  I don't wanna start a war flame here, but really guies come on.  I 
> think this was a really interesting thread at first, and being I'm notta 
> mod, whom I! to say it needs to die, I'm not saying to stop it, that's not 
> my decision, however, don't you think, excuse me for saying: that this is 
> beingging to really stray from voice over and go more to an argument.  Face 
> it, if a person likes the Mac and is useful with it? fine, if not, then 
> don't rave to 'em about it.  You can educate them on why you like it, but if 
> they don't wanna hear it, then dammit? they don't wanna hear it.  Same other 
> way vice versa.  Sorry, maybe I'm just in a real fowel mooed tonight, but 
> this is immature in my opinion.  It's one thing to try to educate someone on 
> the other OS, but donj't force it down their throat.  Not saying you are, 
> but, just... I dono... just... don't.  OK?
> Really anooied,
> 
> Mark.
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RE: It's pointless!

[Joe Plummer]

Hi, below is a link to a list dedicated to the IPhone and iPod
touch. See link below might have to copy and paste in address bar. I can
also give you a way to sign up for this group with out a Google email if
wanted. The group is called Viphone. It is a Google group.
http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en

 


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:15 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's pointless!

Guies, let's get back to voiceover, I don't frankly wanna hear how one
person made their wife bitch about x y and zed, nor would! make 'em do such.

I know yhou're kidding but, come on, I'll admit I got a bit off topic with
the IPhone stuff and IPod stuff, but, that was only cause I didn't know
where else to turn, being I didn't know another list, but that is why I
asked.  I don't wanna start a war flame here, but really guies come on.  I
think this was a really interesting thread at first, and being I'm notta
mod, whom I! to say it needs to die, I'm not saying to stop it, that's not
my decision, however, don't you think, excuse me for saying: that this is
beingging to really stray from voice over and go more to an argument.  Face
it, if a person likes the Mac and is useful with it? fine, if not, then
don't rave to 'em about it.  You can educate them on why you like it, but if
they don't wanna hear it, then dammit? they don't wanna hear it.  Same other
way vice versa.  Sorry, maybe I'm just in a real fowel mooed tonight, but
this is immature in my opinion.  It's one thing to try to educate someone on
the other OS, but donj't force it down their throat.  Not saying you are,
but, just... I dono... just... don't.  OK?
Really anooied,

Mark.

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RE: questions about NVDA

[Simon Fogarty]

There is also sa mobile or wha teever the other version is called that will
run from a u3  pendrive.


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Sent: Friday, 11 December 2009 10:13 a.m.
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Subject: Re: questions about NVDA


On Dec 10, 2009, at 2:49 PM, James & Nash wrote:

> Yes, but the problem with SA2GO is that you need an internet conection to 
> get it to work and I am not sure if it will run on a limited account or in
a 
> public place.

Satogo works on any computer with an internet connection. I use it all the
time at school when my current screen reader is not working correctly.

Matt Roberts n9gmr...@gmail.com

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Re: It's pointless!

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Also, just to point this out, allow AppleScript seems to be an unnecessary 
step, as it will just use your system speech preferences instead when speaking 
the time. Of course,these  will not always be the preferred settings, but at 
least you have the choice.

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On Dec 11, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Ryan Mann wrote:

> Hello.  If you have VoiceOver set to allow apple Script and keyboard 
> commander enabled, you should be able to hit option+t for the time.  You can 
> enable these through VoiceOver utility.
> 
> On Dec 10, 2009, at 11:55 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
> 
>> Hello Group:
>> 
>> Here's one who is trying to convert from long-time windows and JAWS  
>> use.  I got a Mac Book Pro this past weekend, and am slowly and  
>> patiently plodding through help documents, etc.
>> Is there a hot key to get the time like insert or JAWS key F12 on  
>> windows?  I know that's a silly question, but I'm always wanting to  
>> know what time it is when I'm on here.  LOL!  Please be patient, and  
>> I'll try not to make a complete nuisance of myself.
>> 
>> On Dec 10, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Jess wrote:
>> 
>>> Folks, if you want to argue with a die hard Windows user and try to  
>>> convince him or her that the Mac is better, good luck. I challenge  
>>> anybody to convert a Windows user to the Mac. Can it be done?
>>> 
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RE: downloading mp3s with Safari

[Joe Plummer]

Yes, if you paste the web site where the MP3 is located. But no if you copy
from the MP3 file it will open up in the default music player.
 


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of claire amoroso
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:20 PM
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Subject: downloading mp3s with Safari

Does somebody know if it is possible to download an mp3 file wih Safari by
just pasting the Mp3's URL in the address bar ? Currently, when I do this,
Quicktime starts playing the file and I can not download it to my hard
drive. 
Thanks for your help,
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RE: questions about NVDA

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Yes, satogo will work on any Window's OS using IE satogo does not install
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On Dec 10, 2009, at 2:49 PM, James & Nash wrote:

> Yes, but the problem with SA2GO is that you need an internet conection 
> to get it to work and I am not sure if it will run on a limited 
> account or in a public place.

Satogo works on any computer with an internet connection. I use it all the
time at school when my current screen reader is not working correctly.

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Re: Blind Cool Tech Podcast

[Jude DaShiell]

probably itunes runs on mirrored servers and at least one of them is way 
out of sync.On Sun, 6 Sep 2009, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> That's very odd! I'm getting everything as its updated here.
>
>
> On 06/09/2009, at 8:40 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>>
>> Folks, if any of you subscribe to the BLind Cool Tech podcast via
>> iTunes, I have a question.  It seems that iTunes has no longer any
>> interest in BCT and has decided to stop all podcast beyond 2005.  I've
>> tried unsubscribing at one point, resubscribing, and even use the
>> context menu and update to try and refresh the list.  So far none of
>> these steps has resolved the issue and obviously I'm missing out on
>> some of the podcasts.
>> Has anyone any thoughts?
>> Oh, this has been going on a while and yes before Snow Leopard.  I've
>> just run out of ideas so thought to pick some fresh brains out
>> there. :)
>>
>> tnx,
>>
>>
>>>
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Re: podcasts transfer procedure question

[Jude DaShiell]

I ended up preserving nothing and wiping out everything on the disk and 
reinstalling the operating system.  I have a far better backup setup 
available to me now.  I expect I'll be running a disk useage checker 
regularly on the mac in future too, that way the space podcasts and other 
files take up won't get ahead of me.On Sat, 23 May 2009, Alex Jurgensen 
wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I often copy to my IPod temporarily.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex,
>
>
> On 23-May-09, at 8:04 PM, Esther wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Jude,
>>
>> The problem you ran into is not iTunes specific, but due to a full
>> disk.  When you do a copy and paste, you're storing a temporary
>> duplicate of the contents you copy on your disk drive.  If there's no
>> space to do the copy, then that won't work.  There are other ways to
>> free up disk space in a pinch, including emptying all caches and
>> browsing history associated with Safari, checking whether there are
>> downloaded files you no longer need, etc.
>>
>> You can transfer podcasts the same way you would other files.  I would
>> use Greg Kearney's "Move" automator action from the GUI, but if you're
>> comfortable working from terminal and the command line, that will also
>> work.  The advantage of using the terminal and the command line with
>> wild cards is that if you're short of space, you can specify a whole
>> block of matching files at one time, but do the copy operation one by
>> one, so you might be copying 50 files in your current directory, but
>> executing this as 50 individual commands.  If you did this in the GUI
>> by selecting all 50 files, you'd have to find disk storage space for
>> all 50 of them while your system did the copy.
>>
>> Here's an example.  I attach a USB memory stick and check in Finder.
>> The memory stick shows up under my devices in the sidebar as
>> "Crucial".  Finder also has a status line that will tell you how much
>> space is available on any selected device -- that includes your
>> Macintosh HD.  Use item chooser menu (VO-I) and check "available".
>> This works in any view (list, icon, or column).  After checking the
>> available space on your memory stick, you might want to create a
>> folder for the transfer contents.  Let's call this "overflow".
>>
>> On my Mac the memory stick is identified as:
>> /Volumes/Crucial
>> You may have some other device name in place of "Crucial".  The folder
>> I created is identifed as:
>> /Volumes/Crucial/overflow
>>
>> Start up a terminal session from FInder (Command-Shift-U to Utilities,
>> press "t" to navigate to Terminal, use your favorite way to launch app
>> -- e.g. Command-Down Arrow, Command-O, etc.).  Move to the directory
>> you want to copy, for example, to get to your top level podcasts
>> directory use:
>>
>> cd "Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Podcasts/"
>>
>> You can copy and paste the above into your terminal session.  I assume
>> you are starting from your home directory (the default when you open a
>> new terminal session, or else you can first issue the "cd" command
>> with no arguments to place yourself back in your home directory).  For
>> new VoiceOver users, every terminal command is followed by pressing
>> the carriage return key to execute it, and case (as in capital "P" for
>> Podcasts) matters.
>>
>> Again, you should use "cd" to move to a specific podcast folder, but
>> the name you give will depend on your podcast subscriptions. For
>> example, I might type:
>>
>> cd "Blind Cool Tech"
>>
>> where I enclose the folder name in quotation marks, and type the
>> entire name while keeping track of upper and lower case letters. Once
>> in the folder I can copy individual or groups of podcasts.  The Blind
>> Cool Tech podcasts all start with episode numbers in their iTunes
>> names, which are now in the 1000 series, so a command like:
>>
>> cp 1* /Volumes/Crucial/overflow
>>
>> will copy all files in the current directory with names beginning with
>> "1" to the overflow folder I created on my Crucial USB memory stick.
>> Be very careful when working with wild cards like the asterisk.  New
>> VoiceOver users who are not familiar with unix or the terminal
>> navigation should not try to use wild card file matches.  A good place
>> to learn about Terminal is the book, "Take Control of the Mac Command
>> Line with Terminal" that was released 2 months ago ($10 for
>> downloadable PDF file):
>>
>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/command-line
>>
>>
>> Here are some general guidelines:
>>
>> ? Delete tracks from iTunes using the iTunes delete command -- don't
>> use finder. That way your iTunes database will contain the correct
>> information on what's in your library.
>>
>> ? If this is the first time you are ever backing up your podcasts,
>> check that you can restore a file with full information by deleting
>> one of your latest podcasts (something you can easily get back from
>> the feed), and using Command-O (Add to Library).  When you select the
>> file in your dialog window (e.g., by finding the podcast episode 

Re: is the busy, ready, busy, ready, bug gone?

[Jude DaShiell]

That problem also happens with safari on snow leopard.  What we found out 
over at one s.m.m.u.g. meeting was that a monitor needs to be attached and 
turned on.  Apparently the mac software waits for video updates and when 
it doesn't get them effectively hangs.  It's like windows without a mouse 
attached to the computer in that respect.  The speed increase with an 
attached and turned on monitor is what Apple advertised with respect to 
snow leopard even with VoiceOver being used.On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Christina 
wrote:

>
> The issue I'm having with Text edit is that VO just decides to stop
> telling me what I'm typing.  It's frustrating.  Well, I have figured
> if I turn VO off and then on again it will often work properly but not
> always.  It's weird.
> On Nov 11, 2009, at 1:18 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Actually, now that you mention Text Edit. Every time I type in Text
>> Edit, I hear "Busy" until I'm done typing. Editing works fine, just
>> not typing. I hope it'll fix itself. I've had some things on this
>> Mac that have fixed themselves over time.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> AIM: cincinster
>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>> Facebook Profile
>> My Twitter
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2009, at 3:13 AM, Christina wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Strangely I did not encounter the "busy" issue very often with the
>>> first version of SL.  However, since I upgraded to the newest
>>> version,
>>> I get the "busy" thing much more often and Safari is much slower.
>>> It's slow enough to be quite frustrating.  I also encounter other
>>> stranger issues to weird to explain right now.  :)  Mostly issues
>>> with
>>> mail and text edit.
>>>
>>> What is permissions and repairing permissions?  I don't understand
>>> and
>>> hate to "try" something unless I know it's safe to do.  :)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Christina
>>> On Nov 9, 2009, at 6:07 PM, John J Herzog wrote:
>>>

 Hi listers,
 I have just installed the latest mac update on my system. One thing
 I have noticed immediately is that safari seems much more stable. I
 have not been getting the safari busy nonsense as I navigate through
 web pages. Can anybody else confirm that this bug has been squashed?
 Or have other users still experienced it with 10.6.2?

 Interestingly, safari does seem to load a bit slower on this
 version, but it is still quite quick.

 John
>
>>>
>>>

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Re: questions about NVDA

[Chris Hofstader]

I mostly agree with Eric here but attribute the variations in web 
information/screen reader combination to a lack of acceptance on the part of 
web developers, browser authors and, to a big extent, screen access vendors.

It is true that Apple is setting its own accessibility standards but, for all 
intents and purposes, these are exclusive to desktop applications and   do not 
apply to web based information.  

The good news is that the Web Accessibility Initiative (www.w3c.org/wai) has 
guidelines for web authors in the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG - 
pronounce wick cag), the User Agent Guidelines (UAG) which describe to the AT 
all of the items from the WCAG that they need to handle and Aria, the new 
standard for making web applications like googledocs really accessible.  The 
Access Board (I think they are www.accessboard.gov but I'm not sure) sets the 
Section 508 standards for web content and how user agents (screen readers and 
such) should present the information to the user.  Finally, there are all sorts 
of national and international standards and guidelines from around the world 
that need to be followed with their particular bureaucracies.  Fortunately, 
most of these standards and guidelines are very similar.

If one browser outperforms another with VoiceOver, for instance, the problem 
could be in the way the browser implements the standards/guidelines or how VO 
interprets the information it gets from the browser's DOM.  

The reality of the situation is that a web accessibility problem is generally 
the fault of the author not following the WCAG but the browser and screen 
reader could be the culprit as they may not communicate appropriately with each 
other through the W3C DOM guidelines.

RNIB did a "web crawl" study a few years ago that tested as many English 
language web sites as they could find on the Internet.  Their results were that 
90% of English language web sites contained "some to many" accessibility issues 
- in this kind of experiment, all of the faults are on behalf of the web 
developer and, in some of the cases, JAWS and Window-Eyes added some heuristics 
to make the pages somewhat usable that would not have been necessary had the 
developers followed the guidelines.

cdh

   
On Dec 10, 2009, at 12:36 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> I can't whole hartedly agree with you on this one.  Given the level of 
> functionality built in to voice over, it would be rediculous to expect 
> developers to try to compete.
> 
> On top of that, there are other factors in accessibility besides a screen 
> reader.  There is your own level of proficiency for one thing.  Then there 
> are the limitations of your opperating system and the design of your software 
> application for others.  Taking your web page links as an example, they may 
> not read in safari.  But if you use the latest version of web kit then it 
> might deal with the design of the page differently and allow the links to 
> show.  Similarly, if you view the page in firefox or opera it may render the 
> page totally differently and provide a higher level of access using the same 
> voiceover screen reader.  Or the links may be designed completely without 
> labels and there may be nothing there for a screen reader to get a handle on, 
> in which case it would make no difference what browser and screen reader you 
> used.
> 
> In the case of microsoft, they invented accessibility standards.  Then they 
> berried the standards in a locked filing cabinet in a locked washroom down  
> in the basement with a keep out sign on the door.  Few people, if any, paid 
> attention to the accessibility standards, even microsoft itself.  It took 
> many years to make web browsing functional, even though there were standards 
> almost from the beginning.  Windows screen reader manufacturers used to have 
> to re-invent the wheel for every new os or browser upgrade.  Remember when 
> window-eyes 4.5 came out and it was accessible with adobe pdf?  It could have 
> been that way from the beginning, but adobe didn't use any of the 
> accessibility standards and then had to rewrite huge chunks of their code.
> 
> Apple on the other hand, is setting the accessibility standards for it's OS,  
> Providing the tools people need to take advantage of accessibility, and 
> herding the sheep onto the accessible towline.  They aren't just writing a 
> screen reading package.  They are writing an accessible OS and educating come 
> forcing developers into creating accessible software.  It's taking time,  but 
> you can see the results.  Every safari update, every OS update, every update 
> for your third party software, all bring some new piece of the puzzle and 
> offer up something more we can use.  It's got to be tough for a third party 
> screen reader developer to compete, and if you wait a month or two or three, 
> a browser update, website update, or OS update will suddendly render your 
> content useable where it wasn't before.  Not 

Re: It's pointless!

[Kaare Dehard]

Right you are Nick. The nature of adaptive technologies is prosthetic. 
Regardless of our choices, it is not a completely 100% fit. When choosing an 
operating system, your work environment, you have to decidewhat kind of chafing 
you can live with. I've decided mac for my own reasons. Not only does the 
screen reader come out of the box, it does what I want and if I do get 
adventurous and screw up which has happened from time to time, I can 
independantly re-setup the system without assistance. That in and of itself is 
worth a lot to me personally thus the switch. 
On 2009-12-11, at 5:09 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Technically, this is called Macvisionaries. Which would seem to me as if this 
> is a Mac list where visually impaired people can discuss things about the 
> Mac, not necessarily VoiceOver. 
> 
> Furthermore, the manual probably provides information on what you've already 
> asked where the iPhone is concerned. I definitely don't try to shove it down 
> people's throat, because if they don't have a need to switch or aren't 
> frustrated enough with their current operating system, that's great. More 
> power to you. I personally would never go back to the Windows due to my 
> frequent crashes, but that's my opinion and only mine. I'm not forcing people 
> to think that the Mac is so much better, because the fact is that operating 
> systems have different advantages and disadvantages when comparing them. 
> Frankly, I don't even agree to compare operating systems. An operating system 
> is its own system, and it works differently than what you might be used to. 
> No one should, at any point, expect their old operating system to behave like 
> the new one simply because they have gotten used to the way their previous 
> system performed. It's just like the situation with the iPhone. The iPhone or 
> the Macintosh is not the perfect solution for everyone, nor is any operating 
> system. Some are happy with paying manufacturers for screen access technology 
> and software maintenance agreements, and that's great. If it works well for 
> you, why switch? Though the Mac has a powerful screen reader which surpasses 
> the commercially available screen readers in my opinion, what you already own 
> might work well for you. In this case, there is certainly no need to switch 
> to another operating system or phone just to save money. I'm only really 
> mentioning the Mac because this is the Macvisionaries after all.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> 
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> AIM: cincinster
> yahoo Messenger: cin368
> Facebook Profile
> My Twitter
> 
> On Dec 11, 2009, at 12:15 AM, Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
>> Guies, let's get back to voiceover, I don't frankly wanna hear how one 
>> person made their wife bitch about x y and zed, nor would! make 'em do such. 
>> I know yhou're kidding but, come on, I'll admit I got a bit off topic with 
>> the IPhone stuff and IPod stuff, but, that was only cause I didn't know 
>> where else to turn, being I didn't know another list, but that is why I 
>> asked.  I don't wanna start a war flame here, but really guies come on.  I 
>> think this was a really interesting thread at first, and being I'm notta 
>> mod, whom I! to say it needs to die, I'm not saying to stop it, that's not 
>> my decision, however, don't you think, excuse me for saying: that this is 
>> beingging to really stray from voice over and go more to an argument.  Face 
>> it, if a person likes the Mac and is useful with it? fine, if not, then 
>> don't rave to 'em about it.  You can educate them on why you like it, but if 
>> they don't wanna hear it, then dammit? they don't wanna hear it.  Same other 
>> way vice versa.  Sorry, maybe I'm just in a real fowel mooed tonight, but 
>> this is immature in my opinion.  It's one thing to try to educate someone on 
>> the other OS, but donj't force it down their throat.  Not saying you are, 
>> but, just... I dono... just... don't.  OK?
>> Really anooied,
>> 
>> Mark.
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Re: is the busy, ready, busy, ready, bug gone?

[James & Nash]

I'm not convinced that the busy read busy bug is a Safari issue. I cannot 
test this without sighted help, but I've never heard sighted users complain 
about Safari hanging - at least not as much as we have done. It could be a 
VO issue.

TC
James
- Original Message - 
From: "Jude DaShiell" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: is the busy, ready, busy, ready, bug gone?


> That problem also happens with safari on snow leopard.  What we found out
> over at one s.m.m.u.g. meeting was that a monitor needs to be attached and
> turned on.  Apparently the mac software waits for video updates and when
> it doesn't get them effectively hangs.  It's like windows without a mouse
> attached to the computer in that respect.  The speed increase with an
> attached and turned on monitor is what Apple advertised with respect to
> snow leopard even with VoiceOver being used.On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Christina
> wrote:
>
>>
>> The issue I'm having with Text edit is that VO just decides to stop
>> telling me what I'm typing.  It's frustrating.  Well, I have figured
>> if I turn VO off and then on again it will often work properly but not
>> always.  It's weird.
>> On Nov 11, 2009, at 1:18 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Actually, now that you mention Text Edit. Every time I type in Text
>>> Edit, I hear "Busy" until I'm done typing. Editing works fine, just
>>> not typing. I hope it'll fix itself. I've had some things on this
>>> Mac that have fixed themselves over time.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>> Facebook Profile
>>> My Twitter
>>>
>>> On Nov 11, 2009, at 3:13 AM, Christina wrote:
>>>

 Hi,

 Strangely I did not encounter the "busy" issue very often with the
 first version of SL.  However, since I upgraded to the newest
 version,
 I get the "busy" thing much more often and Safari is much slower.
 It's slow enough to be quite frustrating.  I also encounter other
 stranger issues to weird to explain right now.  :)  Mostly issues
 with
 mail and text edit.

 What is permissions and repairing permissions?  I don't understand
 and
 hate to "try" something unless I know it's safe to do.  :)

 Thanks,
 Christina
 On Nov 9, 2009, at 6:07 PM, John J Herzog wrote:

>
> Hi listers,
> I have just installed the latest mac update on my system. One thing
> I have noticed immediately is that safari seems much more stable. I
> have not been getting the safari busy nonsense as I navigate through
> web pages. Can anybody else confirm that this bug has been squashed?
> Or have other users still experienced it with 10.6.2?
>
> Interestingly, safari does seem to load a bit slower on this
> version, but it is still quite quick.
>
> John
>>


>
>>>
>>>

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Re: It's pointless!

[Brandon Misch]

not really. i have done this once and it worked. 

On Dec 10, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Jess wrote:

> Folks, if you want to argue with a die hard Windows user and try to convince 
> him or her that the Mac is better, good luck. I challenge anybody to convert 
> a Windows user to the Mac. Can it be done?
> 
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Re: Time on the Mac

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On Dec 10, 2009, at 11:55 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

> Is there a hot key to get the time like insert or JAWS key F12 on  
> windows?

The easiest way to get the time on your Mac is to press Control-F8, and arrow 
to the left.  Control-F8 is the shortcut key for the status menus, and you can 
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Re: Time on the Mac

[Anne Robertson]

You can always get the date and time by enabling Keyboard commander and 
pressing Option-t.

Cheers,

Anne

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> 
> On Dec 10, 2009, at 11:55 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
> 
>> Is there a hot key to get the time like insert or JAWS key F12 on  
>> windows?
> 
> The easiest way to get the time on your Mac is to press Control-F8, and arrow 
> to the left.  Control-F8 is the shortcut key for the status menus, and you 
> can get a lot of information there.
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Re: questions about NVDA

[Ryan Mann]

If you're planning to use Bootcamp, you'll probably need a sighted person 
around to read the Windows install.
On Dec 11, 2009, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Great, thanks for telling me that now. I was hoping to install boot camp on
> my new mbp 13inch when it arrives in about a week.
> 
> So would I be better then using vm fusion or  virtual box?
> 
> Or will windows 7 be fine in a bootcamp setup?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2009 8:29 a.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: questions about NVDA
> 
> Hello Christina,  
> 
> I have both Windows and a MacBook Pro computer.  In addition to using Jaws
> in Windows 7, I am a longtime user of Zoomtext which I am also using in
> Windows 7 on my Windows based computers.
> 
> You are correct in that, at present, Zoomtext 9.1 does not work in
> virtualized environments thus, you will, indeed need to run Windows 7 in
> Bootcamp on your Mac.
> 
> Please be aware that, unless something has changed since last I checked,
> there are currently audio driver compatibility problems when running
> BootCamp on the 13 inch MacBook Pro.
> 
> Mark 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:54 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: questions about NVDA
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I saw a discussion earlier and the subject line was something like  
> back on a mac.  Well someone mentioned NVDA on windows seven.  I have  
> not installed windows on my macbook.  However I've considered it  
> simply because I'd like to try using zoomtext to try to look at photos  
> as I do not feel the built in zoom for the mac is good for that.  I  
> have lost so much vision lately so I'm not sure if even zoom text  
> would help but I am thinking of trying.  I understand that zoomtext  
> will not work in the virtual enviornment and therefore I would have to  
> use boot camp.
> 
> So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen  
> reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and  
> how robust this is.
> 
> Thanks,
> Christina
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Re: It's pointless!

[Chris Hofstader]

This rant and any follow up should be referred to the BS mailing list as it is 
way, way off topic.To join the BS list, send an email to: 
vo-bs-requ...@lists.hofstader.com with the word "subscribe" in the subject 
line. "


To those of us who feel that screen readers will always provide second class 
(or worse) support for applications designed to be visual, we're only touching 
the tip of the inaccessibility iceberg.

I believe that in the next few years, led by Apple and things like gesture 
based interfaces and 2D ways to explore the screen, that we'll start hearing 3D 
audio and wil be able to use a haptic device to drive the system, which  will 
make using a computer much more efficient for us.

The real accessibility challenges come outside of our technology - in stores, 
malls, museums and other places we would enjoy if the access was more than the 
pitiful excuses that places that claim accessibility actually provide.  Hell, 
we still don't have a standard for reading the label on prescription bottles, 
how can we expect to find the Post Raisin Bran independently while at the 
Publix?

I was in a mall here in St. Petersburg, Florida (I've learned to use the buses 
to get there on my own but it's a 90 minute process each way rather than 20 
minutes if my wife is available to drive).  I wanted a simple item: a black 
turtleneck shirt size L.  The store was crowded and I had to wait over a half 
hour for the clerk to take about 20 seconds to grab the item and then check 
out.  How do we solve this problem?  The answer is not "more clerks" as the 
stores won't pay for that.

At the Cambridgeside Galleria in Cambridge, MA, the mall does provide special 
helpers that people with disabilities can work along with to get their shopping 
done even if they want to go to a bunch of stores and maybe even grab a slice 
of pizza or something else in the food court.  This isn't exactly 
"independence" but it is a nice service to have when shopping alone.

I guess I look back at JAWS 3.2, the version we were selling when I joined HJ, 
and see how far we've come in so many areas.  Computer accessibility pretty 
much still sucks when compared to our sighted friends but said accessibility is 
much better than out there in the world of real rather than virtual objects.

cdh

  
On Dec 11, 2009, at 7:40 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> Right you are Nick. The nature of adaptive technologies is prosthetic. 
> Regardless of our choices, it is not a completely 100% fit. When choosing an 
> operating system, your work environment, you have to decidewhat kind of 
> chafing you can live with. I've decided mac for my own reasons. Not only does 
> the screen reader come out of the box, it does what I want and if I do get 
> adventurous and screw up which has happened from time to time, I can 
> independantly re-setup the system without assistance. That in and of itself 
> is worth a lot to me personally thus the switch. 
> On 2009-12-11, at 5:09 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Technically, this is called Macvisionaries. Which would seem to me as if 
>> this is a Mac list where visually impaired people can discuss things about 
>> the Mac, not necessarily VoiceOver. 
>> 
>> Furthermore, the manual probably provides information on what you've already 
>> asked where the iPhone is concerned. I definitely don't try to shove it down 
>> people's throat, because if they don't have a need to switch or aren't 
>> frustrated enough with their current operating system, that's great. More 
>> power to you. I personally would never go back to the Windows due to my 
>> frequent crashes, but that's my opinion and only mine. I'm not forcing 
>> people to think that the Mac is so much better, because the fact is that 
>> operating systems have different advantages and disadvantages when comparing 
>> them. Frankly, I don't even agree to compare operating systems. An operating 
>> system is its own system, and it works differently than what you might be 
>> used to. No one should, at any point, expect their old operating system to 
>> behave like the new one simply because they have gotten used to the way 
>> their previous system performed. It's just like the situation with the 
>> iPhone. The iPhone or the Macintosh is not the perfect solution for 
>> everyone, nor is any operating system. Some are happy with paying 
>> manufacturers for screen access technology and software maintenance 
>> agreements, and that's great. If it works well for you, why switch? Though 
>> the Mac has a powerful screen reader which surpasses the commercially 
>> available screen readers in my opinion, what you already own might work well 
>> for you. In this case, there is certainly no need to switch to another 
>> operating system or phone just to save money. I'm only really mentioning the 
>> Mac because this is the Macvisionaries after all.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> 
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> AIM: cincinster
>> yahoo 

Re: It's pointless!

[Mark Gilland]

You're not making a neucence of your self.  That is why we're here.  Your 
best bet is to hit ctrl+F8 from anywhere.  Then v o right arrow twice I 
think it is and you'll land on the clock.  If you don't, just keep doing v o 
right arrow and eventually, you'll hit it.  To return to what you were 
doing, hit escape.

HTH.

Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: It's pointless!


> Hello Group:
>
> Here's one who is trying to convert from long-time windows and JAWS
> use.  I got a Mac Book Pro this past weekend, and am slowly and
> patiently plodding through help documents, etc.
> Is there a hot key to get the time like insert or JAWS key F12 on
> windows?  I know that's a silly question, but I'm always wanting to
> know what time it is when I'm on here.  LOL!  Please be patient, and
> I'll try not to make a complete nuisance of myself.
>
> On Dec 10, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Jess wrote:
>
>> Folks, if you want to argue with a die hard Windows user and try to
>> convince him or her that the Mac is better, good luck. I challenge
>> anybody to convert a Windows user to the Mac. Can it be done?
>>
>> Jess
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Re: It's pointless!

[Mark Gilland]

Hi Joe.

Thank you.  When you sent me the link before to sub with my road runner 
address, it never seemed to work and I never got a notification of being 
added, nor did I get any sort of confirmation that I'd been approved.  I 
just went ahead and used my gmail and signed up.  It wasn't the address I 
wanted really to use, but what'm I gonna do being the other link didn't 
work.  Smile.


- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Plummer" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:11 AM
Subject: RE: It's pointless!


> Hi, below is a link to a list dedicated to the IPhone and iPod
> touch. See link below might have to copy and paste in address bar. I can
> also give you a way to sign up for this group with out a Google email if
> wanted. The group is called Viphone. It is a Google group.
> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en
>
>
>
>
> Sign,
> JP ( Joe Plummer)
> joeplum...@tds.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Gilland
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:15 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's pointless!
>
> Guies, let's get back to voiceover, I don't frankly wanna hear how one
> person made their wife bitch about x y and zed, nor would! make 'em do 
> such.
>
> I know yhou're kidding but, come on, I'll admit I got a bit off topic with
> the IPhone stuff and IPod stuff, but, that was only cause I didn't know
> where else to turn, being I didn't know another list, but that is why I
> asked.  I don't wanna start a war flame here, but really guies come on.  I
> think this was a really interesting thread at first, and being I'm notta
> mod, whom I! to say it needs to die, I'm not saying to stop it, that's not
> my decision, however, don't you think, excuse me for saying: that this is
> beingging to really stray from voice over and go more to an argument. 
> Face
> it, if a person likes the Mac and is useful with it? fine, if not, then
> don't rave to 'em about it.  You can educate them on why you like it, but 
> if
> they don't wanna hear it, then dammit? they don't wanna hear it.  Same 
> other
> way vice versa.  Sorry, maybe I'm just in a real fowel mooed tonight, but
> this is immature in my opinion.  It's one thing to try to educate someone 
> on
> the other OS, but donj't force it down their throat.  Not saying you are,
> but, just... I dono... just... don't.  OK?
> Really anooied,
>
> Mark.
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Re: downloading mp3s with Safari

[Mark Gilland]

what if you go to the link, then do vo+command+F5, to route the mouse, then 
hit control+the actual mouse button.  Can you not then vo+down arrow to a 
save option and hit vo+space on it?  Just a thought.


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To: 
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:36 AM
Subject: RE: downloading mp3s with Safari


Yes, if you paste the web site where the MP3 is located. But no if you copy
from the MP3 file it will open up in the default music player.



Sign,
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of claire amoroso
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: downloading mp3s with Safari

Does somebody know if it is possible to download an mp3 file wih Safari by
just pasting the Mp3's URL in the address bar ? Currently, when I do this,
Quicktime starts playing the file and I can not download it to my hard
drive.
Thanks for your help,
Claire



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Re: Blind Cool Tech Podcast

[Mark Gilland]

That reminds me!~  I need to subscribe to that mother bird.  I had it in my 
ITunes, but after my hd was getting full I removed it from my subscriptions. 
Stupid me?  Is BCT even being regularly updated?  Last I heard, it was kind 
a dead.

Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: Blind Cool Tech Podcast


> probably itunes runs on mirrored servers and at least one of them is way
> out of sync.On Sun, 6 Sep 2009, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>
>> That's very odd! I'm getting everything as its updated here.
>>
>>
>> On 06/09/2009, at 8:40 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Folks, if any of you subscribe to the BLind Cool Tech podcast via
>>> iTunes, I have a question.  It seems that iTunes has no longer any
>>> interest in BCT and has decided to stop all podcast beyond 2005.  I've
>>> tried unsubscribing at one point, resubscribing, and even use the
>>> context menu and update to try and refresh the list.  So far none of
>>> these steps has resolved the issue and obviously I'm missing out on
>>> some of the podcasts.
>>> Has anyone any thoughts?
>>> Oh, this has been going on a while and yes before Snow Leopard.  I've
>>> just run out of ideas so thought to pick some fresh brains out
>>> there. :)
>>>
>>> tnx,
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>
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Re: is the busy, ready, busy, ready, bug gone?

[Mark Gilland]

That's a really good point.  I almost wondered if it was my slow processor, 
being I only got a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver 600MHZ, but who knows.  Mine 
doesn't do it so much in Safari, as much as in ITunes, however, I got a 
horrendously! huge library.  Try about 59 thousand songs!  Plus probably 
another 29000 on another drive across my network on a shared library.  So 
close to 80 thousand tracks all total.

Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: is the busy, ready, busy, ready, bug gone?


> I'm not convinced that the busy read busy bug is a Safari issue. I cannot
> test this without sighted help, but I've never heard sighted users 
> complain
> about Safari hanging - at least not as much as we have done. It could be a
> VO issue.
>
> TC
> James
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:36 PM
> Subject: Re: is the busy, ready, busy, ready, bug gone?
>
>
>> That problem also happens with safari on snow leopard.  What we found out
>> over at one s.m.m.u.g. meeting was that a monitor needs to be attached 
>> and
>> turned on.  Apparently the mac software waits for video updates and when
>> it doesn't get them effectively hangs.  It's like windows without a mouse
>> attached to the computer in that respect.  The speed increase with an
>> attached and turned on monitor is what Apple advertised with respect to
>> snow leopard even with VoiceOver being used.On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, 
>> Christina
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The issue I'm having with Text edit is that VO just decides to stop
>>> telling me what I'm typing.  It's frustrating.  Well, I have figured
>>> if I turn VO off and then on again it will often work properly but not
>>> always.  It's weird.
>>> On Nov 11, 2009, at 1:18 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>>

 Hi,

 Actually, now that you mention Text Edit. Every time I type in Text
 Edit, I hear "Busy" until I'm done typing. Editing works fine, just
 not typing. I hope it'll fix itself. I've had some things on this
 Mac that have fixed themselves over time.

 Regards,
 Nic
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 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
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 On Nov 11, 2009, at 3:13 AM, Christina wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Strangely I did not encounter the "busy" issue very often with the
> first version of SL.  However, since I upgraded to the newest
> version,
> I get the "busy" thing much more often and Safari is much slower.
> It's slow enough to be quite frustrating.  I also encounter other
> stranger issues to weird to explain right now.  :)  Mostly issues
> with
> mail and text edit.
>
> What is permissions and repairing permissions?  I don't understand
> and
> hate to "try" something unless I know it's safe to do.  :)
>
> Thanks,
> Christina
> On Nov 9, 2009, at 6:07 PM, John J Herzog wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi listers,
>> I have just installed the latest mac update on my system. One thing
>> I have noticed immediately is that safari seems much more stable. I
>> have not been getting the safari busy nonsense as I navigate through
>> web pages. Can anybody else confirm that this bug has been squashed?
>> Or have other users still experienced it with 10.6.2?
>>
>> Interestingly, safari does seem to load a bit slower on this
>> version, but it is still quite quick.
>>
>> John
>>>
>
>
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RE: It's pointless!

[Joe Plummer]

Hi, glad you got signed up. I think it worked because I got the email
wanting me to confirm that I wanted to signed up. I of course did not
confirm it. I think you forgot to remove my address off the end and put your
address. I will send you the link again in a separate email with
instructions.

 


Sign,
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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Gilland
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's pointless!

Hi Joe.

Thank you.  When you sent me the link before to sub with my road runner
address, it never seemed to work and I never got a notification of being
added, nor did I get any sort of confirmation that I'd been approved.  I
just went ahead and used my gmail and signed up.  It wasn't the address I
wanted really to use, but what'm I gonna do being the other link didn't
work.  Smile.


- Original Message -
From: "Joe Plummer" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:11 AM
Subject: RE: It's pointless!


> Hi, below is a link to a list dedicated to the IPhone and iPod
> touch. See link below might have to copy and paste in address bar. I can
> also give you a way to sign up for this group with out a Google email if
> wanted. The group is called Viphone. It is a Google group.
> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en
>
>
>
>
> Sign,
> JP ( Joe Plummer)
> joeplum...@tds.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Gilland
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:15 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's pointless!
>
> Guies, let's get back to voiceover, I don't frankly wanna hear how one
> person made their wife bitch about x y and zed, nor would! make 'em do 
> such.
>
> I know yhou're kidding but, come on, I'll admit I got a bit off topic with
> the IPhone stuff and IPod stuff, but, that was only cause I didn't know
> where else to turn, being I didn't know another list, but that is why I
> asked.  I don't wanna start a war flame here, but really guies come on.  I
> think this was a really interesting thread at first, and being I'm notta
> mod, whom I! to say it needs to die, I'm not saying to stop it, that's not
> my decision, however, don't you think, excuse me for saying: that this is
> beingging to really stray from voice over and go more to an argument. 
> Face
> it, if a person likes the Mac and is useful with it? fine, if not, then
> don't rave to 'em about it.  You can educate them on why you like it, but 
> if
> they don't wanna hear it, then dammit? they don't wanna hear it.  Same 
> other
> way vice versa.  Sorry, maybe I'm just in a real fowel mooed tonight, but
> this is immature in my opinion.  It's one thing to try to educate someone 
> on
> the other OS, but donj't force it down their throat.  Not saying you are,
> but, just... I dono... just... don't.  OK?
> Really anooied,
>
> Mark.
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Re: It's pointless!

[Mark Gilland]

Actually yeah I did remove your address

Chris, how odd is that!



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From: "Joe Plummer" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: It's pointless!


> Hi, glad you got signed up. I think it worked because I got the email
> wanting me to confirm that I wanted to signed up. I of course did not
> confirm it. I think you forgot to remove my address off the end and put 
> your
> address. I will send you the link again in a separate email with
> instructions.
>
>
>
>
> Sign,
> JP ( Joe Plummer)
> joeplum...@tds.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Gilland
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's pointless!
>
> Hi Joe.
>
> Thank you.  When you sent me the link before to sub with my road runner
> address, it never seemed to work and I never got a notification of being
> added, nor did I get any sort of confirmation that I'd been approved.  I
> just went ahead and used my gmail and signed up.  It wasn't the address I
> wanted really to use, but what'm I gonna do being the other link didn't
> work.  Smile.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joe Plummer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:11 AM
> Subject: RE: It's pointless!
>
>
>> Hi, below is a link to a list dedicated to the IPhone and iPod
>> touch. See link below might have to copy and paste in address bar. I can
>> also give you a way to sign up for this group with out a Google email if
>> wanted. The group is called Viphone. It is a Google group.
>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sign,
>> JP ( Joe Plummer)
>> joeplum...@tds.net
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Gilland
>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:15 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's pointless!
>>
>> Guies, let's get back to voiceover, I don't frankly wanna hear how one
>> person made their wife bitch about x y and zed, nor would! make 'em do
>> such.
>>
>> I know yhou're kidding but, come on, I'll admit I got a bit off topic 
>> with
>> the IPhone stuff and IPod stuff, but, that was only cause I didn't know
>> where else to turn, being I didn't know another list, but that is why I
>> asked.  I don't wanna start a war flame here, but really guies come on. 
>> I
>> think this was a really interesting thread at first, and being I'm notta
>> mod, whom I! to say it needs to die, I'm not saying to stop it, that's 
>> not
>> my decision, however, don't you think, excuse me for saying: that this is
>> beingging to really stray from voice over and go more to an argument.
>> Face
>> it, if a person likes the Mac and is useful with it? fine, if not, then
>> don't rave to 'em about it.  You can educate them on why you like it, but
>> if
>> they don't wanna hear it, then dammit? they don't wanna hear it.  Same
>> other
>> way vice versa.  Sorry, maybe I'm just in a real fowel mooed tonight, but
>> this is immature in my opinion.  It's one thing to try to educate someone
>> on
>> the other OS, but donj't force it down their throat.  Not saying you are,
>> but, just... I dono... just... don't.  OK?
>> Really anooied,
>>
>> Mark.
>>
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Re: Microphone

[Chris Blouch]

The line-in jack on macs, not just minis, is not a mic jack. It expects 
a much 'hotter' signal like the line out on a CD player or tape deck. In 
audio there are generally three level of signals. Mic leves are usually 
the tiny signals generated by the diaphram in a mic vibrating a coil of 
wire near a magnet or the like. Line level is usually used for short-run 
interconnects such as syths, decks and other media players/recorders. 
Speaker level is a very strong signal used to drive a loudspeaker or at 
least a set of headphones. Mismatching these connections can cause any 
number of problems. Running a line or speaker level signal into a mic 
input can fry things while running a mic level output into a line input 
will give what you experience - silence. The mic signal is so weak that 
the line level input doesn't even notice it. Normally on a real mixer 
you'll have pre-amps which bump up the mic signal to a usable level. 
Higher-end mics might even come with a dedicated pre-amp tailored to 
that mic.

Anyway, that's a long way of saying it won't work because that mac input 
is for a line level signal, not a mic. To get that all to work you would 
need a pre-amp or a mic that has a pre-amp built in. For nice sound like 
interviews via Skype I just use an old Shure SM58 to a little Mackie 
mixer. sounds far better than any 'computer' mic I've tried.

CB

John G. Heim wrote:
> I believe that you need a special microphone for a Mac mini.  I tried 
> several headsets and none of them worked either.  You get output but no 
> input. I also tried a microphone from an old cassette deck and it did work. 
> The microphone jack is a little longer than that on a headset.
>
> Instead of buying a headset with the longer microphone jack, I just bought a 
> USB headset.
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marc Grossman" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 5:34 PM
> Subject: Microphone
>
>
>   
>> I have a headphone/microphone combination headset with two male jacks.  One 
>> is for the headphone and one is for the microphone.  On the back of my Mac 
>> Mini, I can only feel two female jacks and they are located right next to 
>> each other.
>>
>> When I plug in the headphone jack, I can hear the audio with no problems.
>>
>> When I launch Skype and connect to another user, I can hear that person 
>> talking to me but the microphone does not appear to work and the person 
>> cannot hear me.  I tried a second headset with similar results.
>>
>> Is there anything in Skype or the Mac system preferences that I need to 
>> adjust in order to use this microphone?
>>
>> Thanks
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Re: downloading mp3s with Safari

[Claire]

Hi All,
I tried the "Option+Enter" keystroke when I pasted the actual URL of
the file in the address bar and the file was downloaded without any
problems. Thanks for your help, it's knowing little things like this
that make life so much easier !!
claire

On Dec 11, 6:54 pm, "Mark Gilland"  wrote:
> what if you go to the link, then do vo+command+F5, to route the mouse, then
> hit control+the actual mouse button.  Can you not then vo+down arrow to a
> save option and hit vo+space on it?  Just a thought.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joe Plummer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:36 AM
> Subject: RE: downloading mp3s with Safari
>
> Yes, if you paste the web site where the MP3 is located. But no if you copy
> from the MP3 file it will open up in the default music player.
>
> Sign,
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of claire amoroso
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:20 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: downloading mp3s with Safari
>
> Does somebody know if it is possible to download an mp3 file wih Safari by
> just pasting the Mp3's URL in the address bar ? Currently, when I do this,
> Quicktime starts playing the file and I can not download it to my hard
> drive.
> Thanks for your help,
> Claire
>
> 
>
> Vous cherchez l'int grale des clips de Michael Jackson ? Bing ! Trouvez !
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Re: Blind Cool Tech Podcast

[Jess]

Yes, I have a thought: Get Juice for the Mac. You can subscribe to any podcasts 
you want regardless of whether they're in ITunes or not.
Jess

On Dec 11, 2009, at 7:04 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> probably itunes runs on mirrored servers and at least one of them is way 
> out of sync.On Sun, 6 Sep 2009, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> That's very odd! I'm getting everything as its updated here.
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/09/2009, at 8:40 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Folks, if any of you subscribe to the BLind Cool Tech podcast via
>>> iTunes, I have a question.  It seems that iTunes has no longer any
>>> interest in BCT and has decided to stop all podcast beyond 2005.  I've
>>> tried unsubscribing at one point, resubscribing, and even use the
>>> context menu and update to try and refresh the list.  So far none of
>>> these steps has resolved the issue and obviously I'm missing out on
>>> some of the podcasts.
>>> Has anyone any thoughts?
>>> Oh, this has been going on a while and yes before Snow Leopard.  I've
>>> just run out of ideas so thought to pick some fresh brains out
>>> there. :)
>>> 
>>> tnx,
>>> 
>>> 
 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> **
>> 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> From Melton Victoria Australia
>> mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane
>> blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com
>> Phone United Kingdom
>> 02032874641
>> Phone Australia
>> 0390058589
>> Phone United States
>> 8159261869
>> Fax:
>> +61 3 9743 7954x
>> MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net
>> skype:grtdane12
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A direct link for Juice for the Mac

[Jess]

Here's the link so you can 
Download
Juice for the Mac
Oh, and I lied, it's not free. It's expensive. 3 lousy bucks. Go purchase it.
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RE: It's pointless!

[Joe Plummer]

Hmm, don't know it worked for me. But here it is with new instructions. Also
below the first link will be the link to the article with the generic link
in it. Hope this works for you if you still want to sign up with the other
email address?

Ok the instructions is: replace the words group name between the
slashes with the group name that you are signing up with. Then at the end of
the link replace the name MYID with your email address that you want to sign
up with. Then copy it and paste it in your address bar. It should take you
to a signed up page and then all you need to do is follow the prompts. You
should get a email asking you to confirm your subscription and then another
one after you get that welcoming you to the list. The last one might take
little while depending on how quick the mod puts you on the list.

http://groups.google.com/group/GroupName/boxsubscribe?email=myid

Ok, the link below will tell you about the link above. I think it
will also tell you how to change your email address if you already signed
up.

http://onlygizmos.com/how-to-join-google-groups-without-a-google-id/2009/05/




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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Gilland
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's pointless!

Actually yeah I did remove your address

Chris, how odd is that!



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From: "Joe Plummer" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: It's pointless!


> Hi, glad you got signed up. I think it worked because I got the email
> wanting me to confirm that I wanted to signed up. I of course did not
> confirm it. I think you forgot to remove my address off the end and put 
> your
> address. I will send you the link again in a separate email with
> instructions.
>
>
>
>
> Sign,
> JP ( Joe Plummer)
> joeplum...@tds.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Gilland
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's pointless!
>
> Hi Joe.
>
> Thank you.  When you sent me the link before to sub with my road runner
> address, it never seemed to work and I never got a notification of being
> added, nor did I get any sort of confirmation that I'd been approved.  I
> just went ahead and used my gmail and signed up.  It wasn't the address I
> wanted really to use, but what'm I gonna do being the other link didn't
> work.  Smile.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joe Plummer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:11 AM
> Subject: RE: It's pointless!
>
>
>> Hi, below is a link to a list dedicated to the IPhone and iPod
>> touch. See link below might have to copy and paste in address bar. I can
>> also give you a way to sign up for this group with out a Google email if
>> wanted. The group is called Viphone. It is a Google group.
>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sign,
>> JP ( Joe Plummer)
>> joeplum...@tds.net
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Gilland
>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:15 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's pointless!
>>
>> Guies, let's get back to voiceover, I don't frankly wanna hear how one
>> person made their wife bitch about x y and zed, nor would! make 'em do
>> such.
>>
>> I know yhou're kidding but, come on, I'll admit I got a bit off topic 
>> with
>> the IPhone stuff and IPod stuff, but, that was only cause I didn't know
>> where else to turn, being I didn't know another list, but that is why I
>> asked.  I don't wanna start a war flame here, but really guies come on. 
>> I
>> think this was a really interesting thread at first, and being I'm notta
>> mod, whom I! to say it needs to die, I'm not saying to stop it, that's 
>> not
>> my decision, however, don't you think, excuse me for saying: that this is
>> beingging to really stray from voice over and go more to an argument.
>> Face
>> it, if a person likes the Mac and is useful with it? fine, if not, then
>> don't rave to 'em about it.  You can educate them on why you like it, but
>> if
>> they don't wanna hear it, then dammit? they don't wanna hear it.  Same
>> other
>> way vice versa.  Sorry, maybe I'm just in a real fowel mooed tonight, but
>> this is immature in my opinion.  It's one thing to try to educate someone
>> on
>> the other OS, but donj't force it down their throat.  Not saying you are,
>> but, just... I dono... just... don't.  OK?
>> Really anooied,
>>
>> Mark.
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I screwed up, here's the direct link for Juice

[Jess]

Click
click here to download Juice.

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Re: downloading mp3s with Safari

[Esther]

Hi Claire, Chris, and Others,

Claire asked:
> Does somebody know if it is possible to download an mp3 file wih  
> Safari by
> just pasting the Mp3's URL in the address bar ? Currently, when I do  
> this,
> Quicktime starts playing the file and I can not download it to my hard
> drive.

and Joe replied:
> Yes, if you paste the web site where the MP3 is located. But no if  
> you copy
> from the MP3 file it will open up in the default music player.

The fastest way to download an mp3 file from a URL link on a Safari  
web page is to use option-enter when VoiceOver is positioned on the  
link.  However, you could paste the URL of an mp3 file into the  
address bar and download. Here are the steps:

1. copy the URL address from your source with Command-C
2. navigate to Safari (e.g., you could do this by using Command-tab to  
switch between your active application windows if Safari is running  
and you want to switch to it from mail -- I generally hold down the  
Command key with my thumb and tap the tab key to get to the app I  
want.  Alternatively, after the first tap of the tab key, I'll  
continue to hold down the Command key but tap the right or left arrow  
keys to move between active applications if there are a lot of them,  
then release keys when I'm at the app I want to switch to.)
3. move to the Safari address bar with Command-L
4. paste in the URL with Command-V
5. press Option-Enter to start downloading the mp3 file

A quick explanation:  Option-Enter (or, as purists would say, Option- 
Return) is a Safari shortcut that forces the linked file to download.   
The file need not be an mp3 file that would otherwise play via the  
browser plugin.  It could be a PDF file that would otherwise display  
in the browser (and take time to load) instead getting downloaded to  
your Mac.  What Option-Enter does is download highlighted (selected)  
link entries. VoiceOver automatically highlights and selects these  
links when you navigate.  A sighted user would move their mouse cursor  
to a link and use Option-Click (clicking with the TrackPad or a Mouse  
key while holding down the Option key) to force the download, because  
positioning the mouse cursor and clicking does the selection.  For  
that reason, in Safari menu shortcut links you'll see "Option-click"  
as the shortcut for "Download file".

The default Safari behavior is to play mp3 files, as we noted before.   
Now, if you have already started playing the mp3 file, and instead you  
now want to download it, just do the following:
1. Press Command-L to highlight the location in the address bar
2. Press Option-Enter to download the file from that location (the  
file will still be playing in the browser until you move away from  
that page, but you can navigate away at any time.)

Hope this wasn't too longwinded.

Cheers,

Esther


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Re: Blind Cool Tech Podcast

[Esther]

Hi Jude, Jess, and Others,

This is an old thread (nearly half a year ago), and Scott has long  
since fixed his Blind Cool Tech subscription.  You can subscribe to  
any podcasts you want, whether or not they're listed at the iTunes  
Store, just by using iTunes and directly putting in the feed address.   
For example, for Blind Cool Tech, choose "Subscribe to podcast" from  
the Advanced menu of the iTunes menu bar (VO-M, press "A", and arrow  
down to "Subscribe to Podcast").  Then paste in the URL of the feed  
into the dialog window.  For Blind Cool Tech, this could be:
http://www.blindcooltech.com/bct.xml.
For the Serotalk podcasts, this could be:
http://serotalk.com/feed

HTH

Cheers,

Esther


Jess wrote:

> Yes, I have a thought: Get Juice for the Mac. You can subscribe to  
> any podcasts you want regardless of whether they're in ITunes or not.
> Jess
>
> On Dec 11, 2009, at 7:04 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
>> probably itunes runs on mirrored servers and at least one of them  
>> is way
>> out of sync.On Sun, 6 Sep 2009, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>
>>> That's very odd! I'm getting everything as its updated here.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/09/2009, at 8:40 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>>

 Folks, if any of you subscribe to the BLind Cool Tech podcast via
 iTunes, I have a question.  It seems that iTunes has no longer any
 interest in BCT and has decided to stop all podcast beyond 2005.   
 I've
 tried unsubscribing at one point, resubscribing, and even use the
 context menu and update to try and refresh the list.  So far none  
 of
 these steps has resolved the issue and obviously I'm missing out on
 some of the podcasts.
 Has anyone any thoughts?
 Oh, this has been going on a while and yes before Snow Leopard.   
 I've
 just run out of ideas so thought to pick some fresh brains out
 there. :)

 tnx,


>
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RE: questions about NVDA

[Joe Plummer]

This is true you will need some vision around to do boot camp. But once you
get it done, you will be ok. It is a matter of choice and how much ram your
Mac will have. I would say to make it work great using the other ways you
will need at least 4gb of ram. Can get by with less but 4gb will be much
better. Just my thoughts.





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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: questions about NVDA

If you're planning to use Bootcamp, you'll probably need a sighted person
around to read the Windows install.
On Dec 11, 2009, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Great, thanks for telling me that now. I was hoping to install boot 
> camp on my new mbp 13inch when it arrives in about a week.
> 
> So would I be better then using vm fusion or  virtual box?
> 
> Or will windows 7 be fine in a bootcamp setup?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2009 8:29 a.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: questions about NVDA
> 
> Hello Christina,
> 
> I have both Windows and a MacBook Pro computer.  In addition to using 
> Jaws in Windows 7, I am a longtime user of Zoomtext which I am also 
> using in Windows 7 on my Windows based computers.
> 
> You are correct in that, at present, Zoomtext 9.1 does not work in 
> virtualized environments thus, you will, indeed need to run Windows 7 
> in Bootcamp on your Mac.
> 
> Please be aware that, unless something has changed since last I 
> checked, there are currently audio driver compatibility problems when 
> running BootCamp on the 13 inch MacBook Pro.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:54 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: questions about NVDA
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I saw a discussion earlier and the subject line was something like 
> back on a mac.  Well someone mentioned NVDA on windows seven.  I have 
> not installed windows on my macbook.  However I've considered it 
> simply because I'd like to try using zoomtext to try to look at photos 
> as I do not feel the built in zoom for the mac is good for that.  I 
> have lost so much vision lately so I'm not sure if even zoom text 
> would help but I am thinking of trying.  I understand that zoomtext 
> will not work in the virtual enviornment and therefore I would have to 
> use boot camp.
> 
> So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen 
> reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and 
> how robust this is.
> 
> Thanks,
> Christina
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Moving aps around the screen on the Ipod Touch

[graham]

Hi Matt, 

Many thanks for your help in this matter. I really appreciated it. 

all the best

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Recently added no longer appearing in my sources table

[graham]

Hi Hester, 

Once again thanks for coming to my rescue. 
You are amazing. 

All the very best. 

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Re: converting tv to video?

[hank smith]

wt device do you have?
sounds cool.
email me off list
I went no maile fore a bit
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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 6:27 PM
  Subject: converting tv to video?


  maybe the subject's wrong, but, I've got a device for my windows machine that 
will allow me to connect a video source to it, then broadcast that source over 
Skype or msn or some such as if it was a webcam... anyone know of nay device 
for the Mac that will work?


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Re: questions about NVDA

[Victor Tsaran]

I don't think it is fair to compare Voiceover to Orca or NVDA.
Voiceover is a proprietary product, the other two are not. Orca runs
on Linux, on which none of the MS products are available. NVDA runs on
Windows and supports IE, Firefox, Outlook, Word and Excel. What else
do you need?
I agree with Chris that MS product support is not as complete as it
should be, but consider that most users use only very little of what
those products has to offer.

With intorduction of Windows 7 NVDA behaves even better because they
support both UI Automation and MSAA.

On 12/11/09, Joe Plummer  wrote:
> This is true you will need some vision around to do boot camp. But once you
> get it done, you will be ok. It is a matter of choice and how much ram your
> Mac will have. I would say to make it work great using the other ways you
> will need at least 4gb of ram. Can get by with less but 4gb will be much
> better. Just my thoughts.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sign,
> JP ( Joe Plummer)
> joeplum...@tds.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:56 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: questions about NVDA
>
> If you're planning to use Bootcamp, you'll probably need a sighted person
> around to read the Windows install.
> On Dec 11, 2009, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
>> Great, thanks for telling me that now. I was hoping to install boot
>> camp on my new mbp 13inch when it arrives in about a week.
>>
>> So would I be better then using vm fusion or  virtual box?
>>
>> Or will windows 7 be fine in a bootcamp setup?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2009 8:29 a.m.
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: questions about NVDA
>>
>> Hello Christina,
>>
>> I have both Windows and a MacBook Pro computer.  In addition to using
>> Jaws in Windows 7, I am a longtime user of Zoomtext which I am also
>> using in Windows 7 on my Windows based computers.
>>
>> You are correct in that, at present, Zoomtext 9.1 does not work in
>> virtualized environments thus, you will, indeed need to run Windows 7
>> in Bootcamp on your Mac.
>>
>> Please be aware that, unless something has changed since last I
>> checked, there are currently audio driver compatibility problems when
>> running BootCamp on the 13 inch MacBook Pro.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:54 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: questions about NVDA
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I saw a discussion earlier and the subject line was something like
>> back on a mac.  Well someone mentioned NVDA on windows seven.  I have
>> not installed windows on my macbook.  However I've considered it
>> simply because I'd like to try using zoomtext to try to look at photos
>> as I do not feel the built in zoom for the mac is good for that.  I
>> have lost so much vision lately so I'm not sure if even zoom text
>> would help but I am thinking of trying.  I understand that zoomtext
>> will not work in the virtual enviornment and therefore I would have to
>> use boot camp.
>>
>> So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen
>> reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and
>> how robust this is.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Christina
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best keyboard model and mouse combo for macminny

[Corey Knapp]

Hi can someone please recomend the best keyboard and mouse for my mac 
minny thanks.
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Re: best keyboard model and mouse combo for macminny

[Richie Gardenhire]

Apple Aluminum keyboard and the Mighty Mouse from Apple.  Richie  
Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


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Hi can someone please recomend the best keyboard and mouse for my mac
minny thanks.
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Re: best keyboard model and mouse combo for macminny

[Corey Knapp]

is the keyboard wireless with usb thanks.

on Friday 12/11/2009 06:28 PM, Richie Gardenhire said:
>Apple Aluminum keyboard and the Mighty Mouse from Apple.  Richie
>Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.
>
>
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>
>Hi can someone please recomend the best keyboard and mouse for my mac
>minny thanks.
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RE: best keyboard model and mouse combo for macminny

[Joe Plummer]

Hi, I would get the USB keyboard with the num pad.

 


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RE: questions about NVDA

[Joe Plummer]

Hi, what does this have to do with the thread of Boot camp or one of the
other ways to run windows on Mac?
 


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Tsaran
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:35 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: questions about NVDA

I don't think it is fair to compare Voiceover to Orca or NVDA.
Voiceover is a proprietary product, the other two are not. Orca runs on
Linux, on which none of the MS products are available. NVDA runs on Windows
and supports IE, Firefox, Outlook, Word and Excel. What else do you need?
I agree with Chris that MS product support is not as complete as it should
be, but consider that most users use only very little of what those products
has to offer.

With intorduction of Windows 7 NVDA behaves even better because they support
both UI Automation and MSAA.

On 12/11/09, Joe Plummer  wrote:
> This is true you will need some vision around to do boot camp. But 
> once you get it done, you will be ok. It is a matter of choice and how 
> much ram your Mac will have. I would say to make it work great using 
> the other ways you will need at least 4gb of ram. Can get by with less 
> but 4gb will be much better. Just my thoughts.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sign,
> JP ( Joe Plummer)
> joeplum...@tds.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:56 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: questions about NVDA
>
> If you're planning to use Bootcamp, you'll probably need a sighted 
> person around to read the Windows install.
> On Dec 11, 2009, at 4:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
>> Great, thanks for telling me that now. I was hoping to install boot 
>> camp on my new mbp 13inch when it arrives in about a week.
>>
>> So would I be better then using vm fusion or  virtual box?
>>
>> Or will windows 7 be fine in a bootcamp setup?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2009 8:29 a.m.
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: questions about NVDA
>>
>> Hello Christina,
>>
>> I have both Windows and a MacBook Pro computer.  In addition to using 
>> Jaws in Windows 7, I am a longtime user of Zoomtext which I am also 
>> using in Windows 7 on my Windows based computers.
>>
>> You are correct in that, at present, Zoomtext 9.1 does not work in 
>> virtualized environments thus, you will, indeed need to run Windows 7 
>> in Bootcamp on your Mac.
>>
>> Please be aware that, unless something has changed since last I 
>> checked, there are currently audio driver compatibility problems when 
>> running BootCamp on the 13 inch MacBook Pro.
>>
>> Mark
>>
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>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:54 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: questions about NVDA
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I saw a discussion earlier and the subject line was something like 
>> back on a mac.  Well someone mentioned NVDA on windows seven.  I have 
>> not installed windows on my macbook.  However I've considered it 
>> simply because I'd like to try using zoomtext to try to look at 
>> photos as I do not feel the built in zoom for the mac is good for 
>> that.  I have lost so much vision lately so I'm not sure if even zoom 
>> text would help but I am thinking of trying.  I understand that 
>> zoomtext will not work in the virtual enviornment and therefore I 
>> would have to use boot camp.
>>
>> So onto my questions.  What is NVDA?  I do not have a windows screen 
>> reader like jaws or window eyes so I'm curious as to what this is and 
>> how robust this is.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Christina
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RE: best keyboard model and mouse combo for macminny

[Corey Knapp]

Hi Joe,
Do you have a Model number?

on Friday 12/11/2009 07:09 PM, Joe Plummer said:
>Hi, I would get the USB keyboard with the num pad.
>
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>Sign,
>JP ( Joe Plummer)
>joeplum...@tds.net
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>Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 6:05 PM
>To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>Subject: best keyboard model and mouse combo for macminny
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>Hi can someone please recomend the best keyboard and mouse for my mac minny
>thanks.
>Corey
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Re: Time on the Mac

[Kimberly thurman]

Thanks!  I still have lots to learn about this Mac, but I'm having fun  
doing it.
On Dec 11, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Matt Roberts wrote:

>
> On Dec 10, 2009, at 11:55 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
>
>> Is there a hot key to get the time like insert or JAWS key F12 on
>> windows?
>
> The easiest way to get the time on your Mac is to press Control-F8,  
> and arrow to the left.  Control-F8 is the shortcut key for the  
> status menus, and you can get a lot of information there.
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