Re: There has to be a better way

[hank smith]

what is garage sale?
can I get list sub info and more on what this list is about?
- Original Message - 
From: "erik burggraaf" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: There has to be a better way


>
> Mike,  I get blind tech, gw-info, mac visionaries, garage sale, and
> several other high trafic lists, and I never bother with filters.
>
> I have all my messages grouped by conversation.  When I delete a
> thread all the messages in that thread go away.  When I open a thread
> all of the messages come up in seperate message windows in the order
> that they are ment to be read and I just hit close to get to the next
> until I land back in inbox.  If I only want to read the first message
> of a thread to see if it's of interest to me, I press right arrow on
> the thread and that will expand it so I can get to individual
> messages.  I will be placed on the first unread message when I do
> this.  Usually this will be the first message of the thread.
>
> I can further speed along my mail deleting efforts by interacting with
> the messages table and going over to the subject column.  Using the up
> and down arrows I can browse through just the subjects, but if I want
> to see who started a particular subject I just have to vo left once
> and I'm in the from column for that message. Then I vo right and I'm
> back in the subjects.
>
> It is really snappy, as long as I don't stop to post long winded
> replies every few threads or so, grins.
>
> Have fun,
>
> erik burggraaf
> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant.
> Phone: 888-255-5194
> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>
> On 2-Sep-09, at 3:39 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all:
>>
>> I really don't want a pile of list msgs in my inbox. I've applied a
>> rule filtering based on macvisionaries and yet still my inbox was
>> filled.
>> I then turned to the junkbox filter, diverting everything off this
>> list to it. I still have to check that from time to time for other
>> msgs and I really don't want to have to go through 40 MSGS every time
>> I check my mail, it's rediculis.  I guess the only real ulternative is
>> to unsubscribe or apply a filter to each member and I don't think I'm
>> doing that. LOL
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> >
>
>
> > 


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Fusion Bliss with Snow Leopard and Windows 7

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,  

Just a quick update to thank you all for the wonderful help I received with
my V M Ware Fusion project.  

I have been accepted into the private Beta program for V M Ware.  As a
result, I am now using Fusion 11.x.  I tell you all this not to boast but so
that you will know that any comments I make on the program are based on an
as yet unreleased version of Fusion.  

I am absolutely delighted to report that Windows 7 is running beautifully on
my MacBook Pro.  I am amazed at how fast the virtual machine functions.
There is truly no delay in processing, at least, none that I can discern.
The audio drivers work fine with Jaws 11.  Oh yes, I decided to install the
public beta of Jaws 11, also.  

There is one tiny glitch that I will report to V M Ware tomorrow.  Read the
following to discover the glitch:

1.
Install Fusion 11.

2.
Install Windows 7.  There will be no sound.  This is an old issue from the
Vista days.  Also, screen resolution is set to 800x600.  While you can
adjust screen resolution at this point, it is best to wait.

3.
Run Windows 7 Update from within the virtual machine and at least two
important drivers will be installed.  One of these drivers is for the
MacBook Pro sound card.  

4.
Restart Windows 7 and there will be perfect sound that is accessible using
the same hardware keys as OSX.

NOTE 1:
For best result, I strongly recommend that you run the virtual machine as a
full screen.  

NOTE 2:
The following can be done in no particular order:

5.
Install Jaws 11.

At this point, everything will be working fine; however, as you enter and
exit the virtual machine, you will be prompted to install the V M Ware
Tools.  Again, it is not necessary to do this but, for best results in the
future, it is highly recommended that you do so.  Simply change focus back
to OSX, there are a couple of ways to do this but I will wait for enquiries
before listing them as I don't want this message to get too long.

Using VO, select to install the V M Ware tools for this particular virtual
machine.  Once the installation begins, Jaws will begin reading the dialog
boxes that appear within the Windows 7 desktop.  Follow the prompt to
complete the installation.

6.
Upon restarting Windows 7, after installing the V M Ware tools, you may
notice two things:  (1) the screen resolution has been correctly adjusted
for the native screen resolution for the MacBook Pro or whatever type of
computer display you're using and (2) there is, once again, no sound.
During the V M Ware Tools installation, the correct audio driver is replaced
with a VM Ware driver that does not work on the Mac Book Pro.  

7.
>From within Windows 7, in the device manager, select the properties for the
VM Ware sound card and choose to rollback the driver.  

8.
Restart Windows 7 and, behold, the sound returns and all is right with the
world.  

OK, I am so tired that I am going to stop typing at this point.  

Good Luck to all Fellow Snow Leopard and Windows 7 tightrope walkers.  

Mark
PS
Unfortunately, I cannot post this information to my BLOG so if you think you
may use it in the future, be sure to save.  


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Re: Fusion Bliss with Snow Leopard and Windows 7

[hank smith]

I wish you could replace adio drives with xp vm
damn
when this sucker going to be out?
- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:46 AM
Subject: Fusion Bliss with Snow Leopard and Windows 7


>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Just a quick update to thank you all for the wonderful help I received 
> with
> my V M Ware Fusion project.
>
> I have been accepted into the private Beta program for V M Ware.  As a
> result, I am now using Fusion 11.x.  I tell you all this not to boast but 
> so
> that you will know that any comments I make on the program are based on an
> as yet unreleased version of Fusion.
>
> I am absolutely delighted to report that Windows 7 is running beautifully 
> on
> my MacBook Pro.  I am amazed at how fast the virtual machine functions.
> There is truly no delay in processing, at least, none that I can discern.
> The audio drivers work fine with Jaws 11.  Oh yes, I decided to install 
> the
> public beta of Jaws 11, also.
>
> There is one tiny glitch that I will report to V M Ware tomorrow.  Read 
> the
> following to discover the glitch:
>
> 1.
> Install Fusion 11.
>
> 2.
> Install Windows 7.  There will be no sound.  This is an old issue from the
> Vista days.  Also, screen resolution is set to 800x600.  While you can
> adjust screen resolution at this point, it is best to wait.
>
> 3.
> Run Windows 7 Update from within the virtual machine and at least two
> important drivers will be installed.  One of these drivers is for the
> MacBook Pro sound card.
>
> 4.
> Restart Windows 7 and there will be perfect sound that is accessible using
> the same hardware keys as OSX.
>
> NOTE 1:
> For best result, I strongly recommend that you run the virtual machine as 
> a
> full screen.
>
> NOTE 2:
> The following can be done in no particular order:
>
> 5.
> Install Jaws 11.
>
> At this point, everything will be working fine; however, as you enter and
> exit the virtual machine, you will be prompted to install the V M Ware
> Tools.  Again, it is not necessary to do this but, for best results in the
> future, it is highly recommended that you do so.  Simply change focus back
> to OSX, there are a couple of ways to do this but I will wait for 
> enquiries
> before listing them as I don't want this message to get too long.
>
> Using VO, select to install the V M Ware tools for this particular virtual
> machine.  Once the installation begins, Jaws will begin reading the dialog
> boxes that appear within the Windows 7 desktop.  Follow the prompt to
> complete the installation.
>
> 6.
> Upon restarting Windows 7, after installing the V M Ware tools, you may
> notice two things:  (1) the screen resolution has been correctly adjusted
> for the native screen resolution for the MacBook Pro or whatever type of
> computer display you're using and (2) there is, once again, no sound.
> During the V M Ware Tools installation, the correct audio driver is 
> replaced
> with a VM Ware driver that does not work on the Mac Book Pro.
>
> 7.
> From within Windows 7, in the device manager, select the properties for 
> the
> VM Ware sound card and choose to rollback the driver.
>
> 8.
> Restart Windows 7 and, behold, the sound returns and all is right with the
> world.
>
> OK, I am so tired that I am going to stop typing at this point.
>
> Good Luck to all Fellow Snow Leopard and Windows 7 tightrope walkers.
>
> Mark
> PS
> Unfortunately, I cannot post this information to my BLOG so if you think 
> you
> may use it in the future, be sure to save.
>
>
> > 


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programing lists

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Ok, i know this is not really relevant to this list, vut i know some  
of you are way more apt to answer this than the searches i've made.

I've been looking into programming for a fair bit now, getting all the  
pertinent documents, and i do have quite some knowledge and logic  
about syntaxes and functions.

Can anyone tell me oif there's a list already existing which talks  
about blind programming in c? Also, is there something similar to  
itunes u talking about this?

I'm on a transition due to what happened to me last year, and i'm  
usually a very active person. I'm not letting this condition hinder on  
my imagination and dreams, so i've totally decided to make the switch  
to programming.

Thank you, and best

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Re: interesting bug with the save dialog

[Marie Howarth]

use vo, works fine.

On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Justin Harford wrote:

>
> Hi all
>
> An interesting SL bug for you.
>
> Go into textedit.  Write a document.  Press cmd s to open the save
> dialog.  Then try to tab over to the place where you select the
> folder, assuming that that you have that checkbox to the right of the
> name field checked.  After you tab past the sidebar, voiceover starts
> uncontrollably stuttering,  Lol it's doing it right now, gosh
> voiceover I didn't think it was that cold!
>
> So basically my VO is completely messed up until I restart it… woof
> much better.  Anyway the save dialog, from this end, is pretty much no
> longer usable with the keyboard cursor.
>
> Let me know what you all find.
>
> Justin Harford
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Re: copying text from mail?

[Krister Ekstrom]

3 sep 2009 kl. 04.19 skrev Justin Harford:

>
> Hey there
>
> Yep the vo command for select is broken when you are reading a
> message, but that interestingly does not mean we can't highlight
> text.
Is Apple accessibility aware of this? I just tried the selection  
command and sure enough it didn't work. It will be really interesting  
to see if the selection command works in reply mode.
/Krister



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Snow leopard clean install and restoring home folder from time machine

[Simon Cavendish]

When I was listening to Mike Arigo's podcast on Installing SL from  
scratch, having eraseed the hard drive, there seemed to be an option  
during the installation to retrieve one's home folder from Time  
Machine. Is it true? Does that mean that during the installation you  
can choose this option and copy back into Snow Leopard your home  
folder with all your applications and other files? Canit be safely  
done with voiceover and wirelessly? It's probably a dumb question from  
a lay person but any info would be appreciated. I have my Time Machine  
backing up my data regularly. Otherwise if you wanted to do a clean  
install, how would you bring all your personal folder data back  
without having to reinstall all your applications yet again?

Best wishes

Simon

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Re: interesting bug with the save dialog

[Krister Ekstrom]

3 sep 2009 kl. 06.59 skrev Justin Harford:

> Go into textedit.  Write a document.  Press cmd s to open the save
> dialog.  Then try to tab over to the place where you select the
> folder, assuming that that you have that checkbox to the right of the
> name field checked.  After you tab past the sidebar, voiceover starts
> uncontrollably stuttering,  Lol it's doing it right now, gosh

I didn't see this problem when i tried this, but i have another  
interesting observation for ya: go into any open or save dialog, try  
using the side bar to select a disk. If you like me have no Mobile me,  
but for some reason have Idisk in your sidebar, you will find that you  
get a dialog that tells you that connection to the server  
idisk.mac.com can't be made. If you click the ok button, the same  
dialog will pop up again and again and if you ignore the dialog and go  
into the program where you opened the dialog, you will find it's busy  
and won't accept any commands.
The only way to get out of this infinite loop as far as i've found, is  
to simply force quit the program that opened the open or save dialog.
This is perfectly normal behaviour, i think, since there's no idisk  
because i have no mobileme, but i wonder how to get rid of the idisk  
in the side bar? I think i know how to do it, i just want it  
confirmed.:-)
/Krister

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Re: Snow leopard clean install and restoring home folder from time machine

[John JD Denning]

Yes that is true. You can choose time Machine or a vackup.  I have  
done three like that now. Woorked great.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:14, Simon Cavendish  
 wrote:

>
> When I was listening to Mike Arigo's podcast on Installing SL from
> scratch, having eraseed the hard drive, there seemed to be an option
> during the installation to retrieve one's home folder from Time
> Machine. Is it true? Does that mean that during the installation you
> can choose this option and copy back into Snow Leopard your home
> folder with all your applications and other files? Canit be safely
> done with voiceover and wirelessly? It's probably a dumb question from
> a lay person but any info would be appreciated. I have my Time Machine
> backing up my data regularly. Otherwise if you wanted to do a clean
> install, how would you bring all your personal folder data back
> without having to reinstall all your applications yet again?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Simon
>
> >

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Re: Reading mail fast without preview pane

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
The only drawback with this method, and please correct me if i'm wrong  
here, is that if you read by thread, as i do, there will be many  
windows with messages open, and if you don't want to read a thread,  
you'll have to delete quite a lot of messages until you get back into  
the messages list. Is there a workaround for this that you've found?  
and on a related note, is there a way to see how many messages are in  
a thread from the message list without expanding the thread and  
counting?
/Krister


2 sep 2009 kl. 23.15 skrev Anne Robertson:

>
> Hello everyone,
>
> A fast way to read mail without the Preview pane is to interact with
> the table of messages and put quick nav on.
> You can then just press Return on a message and then Right Arrow to
> read it. BAck space will delete the message and Commande-w will close
> it.
>
> Interacting with the messages table means you can just use the up and
> down arrows to move within a column (subject, for example), and quick
> nav means you can use the left and right arrows to move between  
> columns.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
> >


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Re: Mail messages not being read automatically

[Krister Ekstrom]

3 sep 2009 kl. 05.53 skrev Woody Anna Dresner:

> In
> Leopard, the message was always read automatically when I did this,
> which was very convenient. Now the message is occasionally read, but
> most of the time I have to press VO-A to get it to read. Has anyone
> else experienced this? Any suggestions?

I have no suggestions other than continuing reading using vo-a, but i  
can confirm the behaviour. I don't know though if i should consider it  
good or bad.
/Krister

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Re: Need Advice: OCR

[Scott Howell]

Donna, I think there are some very good options on the Mac and you  
don't need three different packages.  Everyone has their own way of  
doing things and I think ABBYY FineReader Express is a real option if  
they make some tweaks that I'd like to see and mostly working with my  
scanner, which is a network appliance.  THe software itself seem to  
work just fine.  I think where people encounter problems and I'm sure  
this affects windows users as well, is the bundled software a lot of  
scanners come with.  Seems a lot of scanners have software that talks  
directly to the twain driver or I guess pretty much must be used  
directly to perform the scan, which then the results are passed on to  
the software such as ABBYY etc.
I know one person that uses another app I can't think of and I'm sure  
there is a reason and I think it had something to do with by-passing  
the software of the scanner.  SOme developers of scanner drivers do  
allow third-party apps to talk directly to the twain driver, but this  
is out of my area of knowledge, but I really think this is where  
people have the most difficulty.  Read Iris is another solution that  
has worked well and they are also apparently coming out with a new  
version and it will be interesting to see how that works as well.

On Sep 2, 2009, at 10:08 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Hi Terrence,
>
> I have been watching posts on the list re the various Mac options,  
> and I came to the conclusion that the best option for me was to keep  
> my Windows PC set up for scanning purposes.  I'd love to see a  
> really good scanning/ocr option for the Mac--one that doesn't  
> involve three different apps--but from what I can tell, it just  
> isn't there yet.
>
> HTH,
> Donna
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Terrence 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:07 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Need Advice: OCR
>
>
> Not sure if my other message went through, so I'm posting it again;
> please forgive any repeats.
> After spending $249 on Premier Assistive Technology's literacy package
> because of the scan-and-read functionality, I have decided the thing's
> not all it's cracked up to be, since it opened in an X11 window and
> didn't work at all with VO.  So now I'm doing what I think I should
> have done in the first place instead of listening to the general AT
> specialist who spoke on the Mac at our local AT conference; I'm on my
> knees to the true experts...fellow users.  What do you all all use for
> OCR tochnology that *works*?  I know there's been a lot of discussion
> about OCR experimenting lately, but I need something that's going to
> work with a minimum of finagling so I can spend my time *READING* the
> documents I scan rather than fighting with the software.  True I like
> putzing, but for my day-to-day stuff I'd really prefer not to have to
> do that more than necessary.
>
> Thanks,
> Terrence
>
>
>
>
> >


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Re: Snow leopard clean install and restoring home folder from time machine

[william lomas]

could I choose a super duper backup

On 3 Sep 2009, at 10:40, John JD Denning wrote:

>
> Yes that is true. You can choose time Machine or a vackup.  I have
> done three like that now. Woorked great.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:14, Simon Cavendish
>  wrote:
>
>>
>> When I was listening to Mike Arigo's podcast on Installing SL from
>> scratch, having eraseed the hard drive, there seemed to be an option
>> during the installation to retrieve one's home folder from Time
>> Machine. Is it true? Does that mean that during the installation you
>> can choose this option and copy back into Snow Leopard your home
>> folder with all your applications and other files? Canit be safely
>> done with voiceover and wirelessly? It's probably a dumb question  
>> from
>> a lay person but any info would be appreciated. I have my Time  
>> Machine
>> backing up my data regularly. Otherwise if you wanted to do a clean
>> install, how would you bring all your personal folder data back
>> without having to reinstall all your applications yet again?
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>>
>
> >


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Re: Can't access trackpad commander in voice utility on my mac book

[Scott Howell]

Don't feel stupid. The multi-touch trackpad does not have the large  
button at the bottom. It is just like one large flat square and you  
can press the lower portion of the pad.

hth,
On Sep 2, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Jes Smith wrote:

>
> How can I be sure? I thought all mac books had the multi-touch pad?
> Okay, I must not have one then, if I don't see the commander there.
> Now I feel stupid for asking the question.
>
> Jes
>
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>>
>> The question is if your Mac has the multi-touch trackpad for one
>> thing.
>> On Sep 2, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Jes Smith wrote
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've had my mac book for about a month now, and upgraded to snow
>>> leopard last Friday. I notice there's a trackpad commander which can
>>> be turned on in either the voice over utility, or with the clockwise
>>> two-finger approach on the track pad while holding the vo keys.
>>> However, I've tried both these methods, and neither of them work. I
>>> can drag my finger across the trackpad and hear where items are on
>>> the
>>> screen, or at least where I think they are, and then use my mouse
>>> button to click on them. But I thought you could double tap and use
>>> all the voice over gestures? Any help on this would be appreciated.
>>> All I see in the commanders category of the voice over utility are
>>> the
>>> numpad and the keyboard commander.
>>>
>>> Jes
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Web Pages Loading Slowly

[Michael D. Barber]

I thought I submitted this last night, but perhaps it didn't make it to the
list.  I am having difficulty on my Mac Mini with web pages loading quite
slowly.  Is anyone else experiencing this problem and do you have a
solution?  Are there any settings which need changing?
Thanks.

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Re: Mail messages not being read automatically

[Peggy Fleischer]

I found that the messages read if you set the default verbosity to  
high in the voiceover utility.  You can still turn off the  
announcements  and junk that you don't want to here.

Peggy Fleischer
peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net

  Psalm 90 12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our  
hearts unto wisdom.

On Sep 3, 2009, at 12:32 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:

>
> Hi, this is a bug which i hope will be fixed in a 10.6.1 update.
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:53 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I upgraded to Snow Leopard this afternoon. The transition is going
>> reasonably well, but I have a question. I have been reading e-mail by
>> pressing VO-J from the messages list to jump to the message. In
>> Leopard, the message was always read automatically when I did this,
>> which was very convenient. Now the message is occasionally read, but
>> most of the time I have to press VO-A to get it to read. Has anyone
>> else experienced this? Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Anna
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Query about Voice Over issues in Snow Leopard

[James & Nash]

Hi folks,

I've been following with interest all the issues that people have been 
reporting on the list since they upgraded to Snow Leopard. This makes me 
wonder how thoroughly Apple tested Voice over with its new additions before 
releasing. Now before anyone gets offended, I think it's a fair question. 
The new features of VO sound great, but is it possible that something 
somewhere broke when they introduced some of them? I am wondering too if 
some of the issue people are reporting were made apparent to beta testers.

I think that this is the problem with Apple's beta program. Perhaps they 
should open it up to more people - those who are not developers for 
instance. In doing so, they might get more feedback as some people would use 
Voice Over diferently and do things in alternative ways to other people.



Take care

James 


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Re: Mail messages not being read automatically

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

Interestingly, on my iMac, the messages are still read automatically in Snow 
Leopard. I did notice that they do not get read if you set verbosity to low. 
They are read when either medium or high is used.

Robert Carter

- Original Message -
From: Dan Eickmeier 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, Sep 2, 2009 22:33:35
Subject: Re: Mail messages not being read automatically

>
>
> 
> Hi, this is a bug which i hope will be fixed in a 10.6.1 update.
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:53 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I upgraded to Snow Leopard this afternoon. The transition is going
> > reasonably well, but I have a question. I have been reading e-mail by
> > pressing VO-J from the messages list to jump to the message. In
> > Leopard, the message was always read automatically when I did this,
> > which was very convenient. Now the message is occasionally read, but
> > most of the time I have to press VO-A to get it to read. Has anyone
> > else experienced this? Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anna
> >
> >
> > >
> 
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Re: Snow leopard clean install and restoring home folder from time machine

[John JD Denning]

Yes you can indeed can.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:21, william lomas   
wrote:

>
> could I choose a super duper backup
>
> On 3 Sep 2009, at 10:40, John JD Denning wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes that is true. You can choose time Machine or a vackup.  I have
>> done three like that now. Woorked great.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:14, Simon Cavendish
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> When I was listening to Mike Arigo's podcast on Installing SL from
>>> scratch, having eraseed the hard drive, there seemed to be an option
>>> during the installation to retrieve one's home folder from Time
>>> Machine. Is it true? Does that mean that during the installation you
>>> can choose this option and copy back into Snow Leopard your home
>>> folder with all your applications and other files? Canit be safely
>>> done with voiceover and wirelessly? It's probably a dumb question
>>> from
>>> a lay person but any info would be appreciated. I have my Time
>>> Machine
>>> backing up my data regularly. Otherwise if you wanted to do a clean
>>> install, how would you bring all your personal folder data back
>>> without having to reinstall all your applications yet again?
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>

>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: interesting bug with the save dialog

[James & Nash]

Hi Justin,

It seems that people are having different issues with Voice Over, and not 
everyone can reproduce other's problems. It's getting to be more like Linux 
than Mac lol. Things seem to be breaking. Have you reported this to 
accessibil...@apple.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Justin Harford" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 5:59 AM
Subject: interesting bug with the save dialog



Hi all

An interesting SL bug for you.

Go into textedit.  Write a document.  Press cmd s to open the save
dialog.  Then try to tab over to the place where you select the
folder, assuming that that you have that checkbox to the right of the
name field checked.  After you tab past the sidebar, voiceover starts
uncontrollably stuttering,  Lol it's doing it right now, gosh
voiceover I didn't think it was that cold!

So basically my VO is completely messed up until I restart it. woof
much better.  Anyway the save dialog, from this end, is pretty much no
longer usable with the keyboard cursor.

Let me know what you all find.

Justin Harford


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Re: Query about Voice Over issues in Snow Leopard

[Michael Babcock]

hi;
i think, if you pay the what ever cost it is, can you not become a  
beta tester?
mike

On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:06 AM, James & Nash wrote:

>
> Hi folks,
>
> I've been following with interest all the issues that people have been
> reporting on the list since they upgraded to Snow Leopard. This  
> makes me
> wonder how thoroughly Apple tested Voice over with its new additions  
> before
> releasing. Now before anyone gets offended, I think it's a fair  
> question.
> The new features of VO sound great, but is it possible that something
> somewhere broke when they introduced some of them? I am wondering  
> too if
> some of the issue people are reporting were made apparent to beta  
> testers.
>
> I think that this is the problem with Apple's beta program. Perhaps  
> they
> should open it up to more people - those who are not developers for
> instance. In doing so, they might get more feedback as some people  
> would use
> Voice Over diferently and do things in alternative ways to other  
> people.
>
>
>
> Take care
>
> James
>
>
> >


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Re: Reading mail fast without preview pane

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

If you have a keyboard with a numeric keypad, you can assign a key to the go to 
linked object command which is what VO-J does. This means you can read mail 
very quickly using only a couple of keys on the keypad. It is very cool.

Robert Carter

- Original Message -
From: william lomas 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, Sep 3, 2009 0:39:26
Subject: Re: Reading mail fast without preview pane

>
>
> 
> shame you can't just press J when on a message in quicknav to simulate  
> VO J command.
> WIll
> 
> On 2 Sep 2009, at 22:15, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > A fast way to read mail without the Preview pane is to interact with
> > the table of messages and put quick nav on.
> > You can then just press Return on a message and then Right Arrow to
> > read it. BAck space will delete the message and Commande-w will close
> > it.
> >
> > Interacting with the messages table means you can just use the up and
> > down arrows to move within a column (subject, for example), and quick
> > nav means you can use the left and right arrows to move between  
> > columns.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Anne
> >
> >
> > >
> 
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Creating DAISY books was VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format

[James & Nash]

Hi Gret and everyone,

Is it possible to create DAISY books on Mac OS X?

Thanks

James
- Original Message - 
From: "Les Kriegler" 
To: ; "'Discussion of Digital Talking 
Books'" ; "'Mike Shebanek'" ; 
"'Mary Beth Janes'" ; "'macvoiceover'" 

Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:16 AM
Subject: RE: VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format


>
> Hi Greg,
>
> This is great!  Navigation now will be much easier.  Thanks for posting.
>
> Les
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:27 AM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books; Mike Shebanek; Mary Beth Janes;
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceover
> Subject: VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format
>
>
> VoiceOver Getting Started (Snow Leopard) is DAISY format has been produced
> by the Association for the Blind of Western Australia and can be 
> downloaded
> from the following URL:
>
> http://www.cucat.org/tmp/vogs_sl.zip
>
> This is a full text full audio DAISY version 2.02 digital talking book 
> with
> navigation at the chapter and subsection level and page numbers supported.
>
>
> Gregory Kearney
> Manager - Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>
> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
> Email: gkear...@gmail.com
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Re: Snow leopard clean install and restoring home folder from time machine

[william lomas]

but if you do it that way will it jsut put the will lomas, my home  
folder, back with all my aps, downloads, music, preferences, etc?

On 3 Sep 2009, at 12:10, John JD Denning wrote:

>
> Yes you can indeed can.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:21, william lomas 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> could I choose a super duper backup
>>
>> On 3 Sep 2009, at 10:40, John JD Denning wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yes that is true. You can choose time Machine or a vackup.  I have
>>> done three like that now. Woorked great.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:14, Simon Cavendish
>>>  wrote:
>>>

 When I was listening to Mike Arigo's podcast on Installing SL from
 scratch, having eraseed the hard drive, there seemed to be an  
 option
 during the installation to retrieve one's home folder from Time
 Machine. Is it true? Does that mean that during the installation  
 you
 can choose this option and copy back into Snow Leopard your home
 folder with all your applications and other files? Canit be safely
 done with voiceover and wirelessly? It's probably a dumb question
 from
 a lay person but any info would be appreciated. I have my Time
 Machine
 backing up my data regularly. Otherwise if you wanted to do a clean
 install, how would you bring all your personal folder data back
 without having to reinstall all your applications yet again?

 Best wishes

 Simon

>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
> >


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Re: Snow leopard clean install and restoring home folder from time machine

[James & Nash]

Will, Please make sure that all your apps are SL compitable. I don't know 
what you use but I know that some of the apps that work under Leopard are 
curently not working under SL.
- Original Message - 
From: "william lomas" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: Snow leopard clean install and restoring home folder from time 
machine


>
> but if you do it that way will it jsut put the will lomas, my home
> folder, back with all my aps, downloads, music, preferences, etc?
>
> On 3 Sep 2009, at 12:10, John JD Denning wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes you can indeed can.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:21, william lomas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> could I choose a super duper backup
>>>
>>> On 3 Sep 2009, at 10:40, John JD Denning wrote:
>>>

 Yes that is true. You can choose time Machine or a vackup.  I have
 done three like that now. Woorked great.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:14, Simon Cavendish
  wrote:

>
> When I was listening to Mike Arigo's podcast on Installing SL from
> scratch, having eraseed the hard drive, there seemed to be an
> option
> during the installation to retrieve one's home folder from Time
> Machine. Is it true? Does that mean that during the installation
> you
> can choose this option and copy back into Snow Leopard your home
> folder with all your applications and other files? Canit be safely
> done with voiceover and wirelessly? It's probably a dumb question
> from
> a lay person but any info would be appreciated. I have my Time
> Machine
> backing up my data regularly. Otherwise if you wanted to do a clean
> install, how would you bring all your personal folder data back
> without having to reinstall all your applications yet again?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Simon
>
>>

>
>>>
>>>

>>
>> >
>
>
> > 


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Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly

[Rich Ring]

I am experiencing the same issue.  My cheapy Windows netbook loads pages 
faster than my brand new Mac Mini.  Something has to be wrong.  I must have 
something set incorrectly.  Help, please?
I also have another question.  I have been told that the Mac behaves better 
if you connect a mouse.  As a totally blind user, I will never use one, but 
should I connect one?

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael D. Barber" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 5:31 AM
Subject: Web Pages Loading Slowly



I thought I submitted this last night, but perhaps it didn't make it to the
list.  I am having difficulty on my Mac Mini with web pages loading quite
slowly.  Is anyone else experiencing this problem and do you have a
solution?  Are there any settings which need changing?
Thanks.

Cordially,
Michael Barber




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Re: Query about Voice Over issues in Snow Leopard

[James & Nash]

Yes I think you're right, but pehaps they should open it up to the public 
without requring payment at least for 30 days or so as the osst is qutie 
expensive.

Take care

James
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Babcock" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: Query about Voice Over issues in Snow Leopard


>
> hi;
> i think, if you pay the what ever cost it is, can you not become a
> beta tester?
> mike
>
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:06 AM, James & Nash wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I've been following with interest all the issues that people have been
>> reporting on the list since they upgraded to Snow Leopard. This
>> makes me
>> wonder how thoroughly Apple tested Voice over with its new additions
>> before
>> releasing. Now before anyone gets offended, I think it's a fair
>> question.
>> The new features of VO sound great, but is it possible that something
>> somewhere broke when they introduced some of them? I am wondering
>> too if
>> some of the issue people are reporting were made apparent to beta
>> testers.
>>
>> I think that this is the problem with Apple's beta program. Perhaps
>> they
>> should open it up to more people - those who are not developers for
>> instance. In doing so, they might get more feedback as some people
>> would use
>> Voice Over diferently and do things in alternative ways to other
>> people.
>>
>>
>>
>> Take care
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> >
>
>
> > 


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RE: Need Advice: OCR

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Scott,

ReadIris was the option that I was thinking of that involved multiple apps, 
VueScan and ReadIris.  

I thought I recalled a thread on the list a few weeks back, about ABBYY having 
some accessibility issues.  Maybe it was what you describe, i.e. Problems 
talking to the software that comes with your scanner, I don't recall. but it 
seemed like some people had tried it, and hadn't been happy with it.  I think I 
have a recollection of someone even writing to them about accessibility 
questions?  To be fair, I sort of stopped my exploration there, because of the 
fact that ABBYY won't let you buy a demo. I like my current OCR setup a lot, 
and I definitely want to demo any replacement options before purchasing.
Take care,
Donna

-Original Message-
From: Scott Howell 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 6:10 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need Advice: OCR


Donna, I think there are some very good options on the Mac and you  
don't need three different packages.  Everyone has their own way of  
doing things and I think ABBYY FineReader Express is a real option if  
they make some tweaks that I'd like to see and mostly working with my  
scanner, which is a network appliance.  THe software itself seem to  
work just fine.  I think where people encounter problems and I'm sure  
this affects windows users as well, is the bundled software a lot of  
scanners come with.  Seems a lot of scanners have software that talks  
directly to the twain driver or I guess pretty much must be used  
directly to perform the scan, which then the results are passed on to  
the software such as ABBYY etc.
I know one person that uses another app I can't think of and I'm sure  
there is a reason and I think it had something to do with by-passing  
the software of the scanner.  SOme developers of scanner drivers do  
allow third-party apps to talk directly to the twain driver, but this  
is out of my area of knowledge, but I really think this is where  
people have the most difficulty.  Read Iris is another solution that  
has worked well and they are also apparently coming out with a new  
version and it will be interesting to see how that works as well.

On Sep 2, 2009, at 10:08 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Hi Terrence,
>
> I have been watching posts on the list re the various Mac options,  
> and I came to the conclusion that the best option for me was to keep  
> my Windows PC set up for scanning purposes.  I'd love to see a  
> really good scanning/ocr option for the Mac--one that doesn't  
> involve three different apps--but from what I can tell, it just  
> isn't there yet.
>
> HTH,
> Donna
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Terrence 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:07 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Need Advice: OCR
>
>
> Not sure if my other message went through, so I'm posting it again;
> please forgive any repeats.
> After spending $249 on Premier Assistive Technology's literacy package
> because of the scan-and-read functionality, I have decided the thing's
> not all it's cracked up to be, since it opened in an X11 window and
> didn't work at all with VO.  So now I'm doing what I think I should
> have done in the first place instead of listening to the general AT
> specialist who spoke on the Mac at our local AT conference; I'm on my
> knees to the true experts...fellow users.  What do you all all use for
> OCR tochnology that *works*?  I know there's been a lot of discussion
> about OCR experimenting lately, but I need something that's going to
> work with a minimum of finagling so I can spend my time *READING* the
> documents I scan rather than fighting with the software.  True I like
> putzing, but for my day-to-day stuff I'd really prefer not to have to
> do that more than necessary.
>
> Thanks,
> Terrence
>
>
>
>
> >






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Re: Apple ships known vulnerable version of Flash with Snow Leopard

[Chris Hofstader]

I am largely ignorant of all but the most obvious non-VoiceOver  
settings in Safari.  I would guess that, like IE and Firefox,, it  
would have a "turn off Flash" in it.  A whole lot of sighted people  
turn off Flash, especially if they have a fairly slow connection and  
because, the majority of Flash content are stupid advertisements with  
animation and other glitz.

Can one uninstall Flash from a Mac and, if so, what happens?  With IE  
and FF, one gets a dialogue asking if you want to install the Flash  
plug-in or not and has a stop asking me about this box to check.

It would probably be best if Safari had a way to turn Flash on and off  
so we could enjoy that handful of accessible sites but not waste the  
cycles on ads for a new Lexus with 0% financing.

As I wrote last week, Flash, Flex and a variety of other Flash related  
items have three major areas that keep them inaccessible for Mac users  
in specific and screen reader users in general.  On the Mac, we have  
the double wammy of Flash not talking to the accessibility API  
properly (if at all) and the issues that all screen reader users face.

As an odd bit of history, GW Micro was the first At company to work  
with Adobe to make Flash accessible with a screen reader using an MSAA  
solution.  We, at Freedom Scientific, followed suit as once Window- 
Eyes came out with support for it our phones started ringing off of  
the hook asking when we would have it in JAWS.  So, the customers  
wanted Flash and we gave it to them.

In the following release of Window-Eyes, one of its new features was a  
checkbox to turn off Flash support and it was on by default.  In kind,  
we added such a setting so our users could keep Flash from wasting  
their time as well.

To this day, years after JAWS and WE added Flash support, the vast  
majority of Flash content authors ignore the accessibility components  
(like labeling stuff) so, in JAWS for instance, one will often hear,  
"Start FLash, 1, 2, 3, 4, end Flash content."  This is, of course,  
useless but, if one has Flash turned on, it will make browsing the  
page go much more slowly as whatever is happening in the Flash  
segment, it is using cycles, bandwidth or both.

All of this makes me quite sad as I have some pretty good friends  
working on accessibility at Adobe and, as it comes to content, they  
are more frustrated than most users (of which there are some on the  
Adobe team).  I honestly believe that Adobe wants to do the right  
thing but there are so many hurdles (large and small) on all platforms  
that organizing a single accessibility solution with a custom layer  
for each OS, becomes an enormous challenge.

I am not paid a dime by Adobe and I never have been.  I just think  
they have an enormous problem that is very hard to solve.

Milligrams of caffeine per hour ratio is dangerously low, must get  
more to get through my email.

Enjoy,
cdh


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On Sep 2, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

>
> Flash may be inaccessible for voiceover but it is still downloading  
> and
> running stuff on your mac, so you might want to upgrade.
>
> http://www.sophos.com/blogs/gc/g/2009/09/02/apple-ships-vulnerable-version-flash-snow-leopard/
>
> CB
>
> >


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rss help

[Brandon Misch]

Hey all. when i delete my news out of my rss feeds, they keep coming  
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problems reading a document in textedit

[anouk radix]

Hello everyone, i tried again today to take my macbook pro with me to  
school today but it did not go as well as the first two times. I had  
to consult a lawbook (if htats the right word) and every time i went  
down a line i got messages like textedit busy or busy or textedit  
ready which made it nearly impossible to read through the document.  
This happened with down arrow but also vo-down. I am going to see if I  
have the spelling turned off and if changing the format will do  
anything. The computer shoudl not have been much taxdd, i mean it has  
3 ghz 4gig of ram and textedit was the only application running. This  
was very frustrating and annoying.
Greetings, Anouk,

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ftpclients on the mac?

[anouk radix]

Hello are there any good ftp-clients that work with voicover? With  
good i mean that they have to be able to que stuff and download folders.
Greetings, Anouk

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Re: problems reading a document in textedit

[James & Nash]

Could it dpend on the length of the document? This should not be the case 
but I have known it happen in Microsoft Office
- Original Message - 
From: "anouk radix" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:50 PM
Subject: problems reading a document in textedit


>
> Hello everyone, i tried again today to take my macbook pro with me to
> school today but it did not go as well as the first two times. I had
> to consult a lawbook (if htats the right word) and every time i went
> down a line i got messages like textedit busy or busy or textedit
> ready which made it nearly impossible to read through the document.
> This happened with down arrow but also vo-down. I am going to see if I
> have the spelling turned off and if changing the format will do
> anything. The computer shoudl not have been much taxdd, i mean it has
> 3 ghz 4gig of ram and textedit was the only application running. This
> was very frustrating and annoying.
> Greetings, Anouk,
>
> > 


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Re: interesting bug with the save dialog

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I'm not experiencing the stuttering either. Weird.

Best,
Anna



On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:59 PM, Justin Harford wrote:

>
> Hi all
>
> An interesting SL bug for you.
>
> Go into textedit.  Write a document.  Press cmd s to open the save
> dialog.  Then try to tab over to the place where you select the
> folder, assuming that that you have that checkbox to the right of the
> name field checked.  After you tab past the sidebar, voiceover starts
> uncontrollably stuttering,  Lol it's doing it right now, gosh
> voiceover I didn't think it was that cold!
>
> So basically my VO is completely messed up until I restart it… woof
> much better.  Anyway the save dialog, from this end, is pretty much no
> longer usable with the keyboard cursor.
>
> Let me know what you all find.
>
> Justin Harford
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Re: There has to be a better way

[Chris Hofstader]

You might also switch to the digest mode for the list so you only get  
one or two emails per day.
On Sep 2, 2009, at 6:38 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

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> Mike, You need to do a little reading about rules. I sent you
> basically the rule I use and it has been working for a good number of
> years. I'm not sure other than perhaps get on Skype with you and walk
> through this.  Did you see the info I sent you?  Would you like to try
> Skype or send me your number off list and I'll call you?
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all:
>>
>> I really don't want a pile of list msgs in my inbox. I've applied a
>> rule filtering based on macvisionaries and yet still my inbox was
>> filled.
>> I then turned to the junkbox filter, diverting everything off this
>> list to it. I still have to check that from time to time for other
>> msgs and I really don't want to have to go through 40 MSGS every time
>> I check my mail, it's rediculis.  I guess the only real ulternative  
>> is
>> to unsubscribe or apply a filter to each member and I don't think I'm
>> doing that. LOL
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>>
>
>
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Working with more than one acount

[James & Nash]

Hi folks, 

As I think I mentioned before on here, I always use a limited account for my 
daily use on all my computers - wether it's Windows, Linux or Mac. So I was 
wondering. If I use the Admin account to run Software Update, will the updates 
be applied to the entire OS or only for that account? 

Also, I have notieced that if I enter my Admin password whilse in my limited 
account, I can bypass it and do what I want. Is there a way to tell Mac OS X 
not to offer me this choice as in Linux please?

Thank you

Take care 

James 
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Re: Mail messages not being read automatically

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
Strange thing is that here on my Imac, messages don't read  
automagically neither in medium nor high verbosity. I have 2 gigabytes  
of ram in my Imac and 2.66 GHz processor.
/Krister

3 sep 2009 kl. 14.11 skrev Robert Carter:

>
> Hi,
>
> Interestingly, on my iMac, the messages are still read automatically  
> in Snow Leopard. I did notice that they do not get read if you set  
> verbosity to low. They are read when either medium or high is used.
>
> Robert Carter
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Dan Eickmeier 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, Sep 2, 2009 22:33:35
> Subject: Re: Mail messages not being read automatically
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, this is a bug which i hope will be fixed in a 10.6.1 update.
>> On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:53 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I upgraded to Snow Leopard this afternoon. The transition is going
>>> reasonably well, but I have a question. I have been reading e-mail  
>>> by
>>> pressing VO-J from the messages list to jump to the message. In
>>> Leopard, the message was always read automatically when I did this,
>>> which was very convenient. Now the message is occasionally read, but
>>> most of the time I have to press VO-A to get it to read. Has anyone
>>> else experienced this? Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Anna
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
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Re: Mail messages not being read automatically

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Robert and all,

Last night almost none of my messages were being read automatically,  
and today, they all are. I didn't change anything, I don't think, but  
it's possible. Go figure.

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Re: Fusion Bliss with Snow Leopard and Windows 7

[Mac Cougar]

so much for being able to do it all by yourslf.  It  figures.

Steve
On Sep 3, 2009, at 12:46 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Just a quick update to thank you all for the wonderful help I  
> received with
> my V M Ware Fusion project.
>
> I have been accepted into the private Beta program for V M Ware.  As a
> result, I am now using Fusion 11.x.  I tell you all this not to  
> boast but so
> that you will know that any comments I make on the program are based  
> on an
> as yet unreleased version of Fusion.
>
> I am absolutely delighted to report that Windows 7 is running  
> beautifully on
> my MacBook Pro.  I am amazed at how fast the virtual machine  
> functions.
> There is truly no delay in processing, at least, none that I can  
> discern.
> The audio drivers work fine with Jaws 11.  Oh yes, I decided to  
> install the
> public beta of Jaws 11, also.
>
> There is one tiny glitch that I will report to V M Ware tomorrow.   
> Read the
> following to discover the glitch:
>
> 1.
> Install Fusion 11.
>
> 2.
> Install Windows 7.  There will be no sound.  This is an old issue  
> from the
> Vista days.  Also, screen resolution is set to 800x600.  While you can
> adjust screen resolution at this point, it is best to wait.
>
> 3.
> Run Windows 7 Update from within the virtual machine and at least two
> important drivers will be installed.  One of these drivers is for the
> MacBook Pro sound card.
>
> 4.
> Restart Windows 7 and there will be perfect sound that is accessible  
> using
> the same hardware keys as OSX.
>
> NOTE 1:
> For best result, I strongly recommend that you run the virtual  
> machine as a
> full screen.
>
> NOTE 2:
> The following can be done in no particular order:
>
> 5.
> Install Jaws 11.
>
> At this point, everything will be working fine; however, as you  
> enter and
> exit the virtual machine, you will be prompted to install the V M Ware
> Tools.  Again, it is not necessary to do this but, for best results  
> in the
> future, it is highly recommended that you do so.  Simply change  
> focus back
> to OSX, there are a couple of ways to do this but I will wait for  
> enquiries
> before listing them as I don't want this message to get too long.
>
> Using VO, select to install the V M Ware tools for this particular  
> virtual
> machine.  Once the installation begins, Jaws will begin reading the  
> dialog
> boxes that appear within the Windows 7 desktop.  Follow the prompt to
> complete the installation.
>
> 6.
> Upon restarting Windows 7, after installing the V M Ware tools, you  
> may
> notice two things:  (1) the screen resolution has been correctly  
> adjusted
> for the native screen resolution for the MacBook Pro or whatever  
> type of
> computer display you're using and (2) there is, once again, no sound.
> During the V M Ware Tools installation, the correct audio driver is  
> replaced
> with a VM Ware driver that does not work on the Mac Book Pro.
>
> 7.
> From within Windows 7, in the device manager, select the properties  
> for the
> VM Ware sound card and choose to rollback the driver.
>
> 8.
> Restart Windows 7 and, behold, the sound returns and all is right  
> with the
> world.
>
> OK, I am so tired that I am going to stop typing at this point.
>
> Good Luck to all Fellow Snow Leopard and Windows 7 tightrope walkers.
>
> Mark
> PS
> Unfortunately, I cannot post this information to my BLOG so if you  
> think you
> may use it in the future, be sure to save.
>
>
> >


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Re: Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers within a year

[Chris Blouch]

It could also mean issues around international travel could be fixed. 
I'm in the US but I'm heading to Madrid later this year for some 
meetings and I'm assuming my iPhone will be useless there even though it 
uses GSM and has a SIM card. Or at least AT&T would happily charge me a 
small fortune to use it over there. Just checked their site and they 
call it "International Roaming" at $1.29 per minute. Nice.

CB

william lomas wrote:
> i wonder if they will bring the i phone to other UK carriers, to we 
> only ahve one ourselves
>
> On 31 Aug 2009, at 21:00, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>> Folks, I know there has been a lot of excitement
>>  about SL, but I wanted to share this article, which updates some 
>> other areas Apple is working on.  One of these is about the iPhone 
>> and even the future of the Apple TV perhaps.
>> Check it out, there are some interesting bits in here.Begin forwarded 
>> message:
>>
>>> *Date: *August 31, 2009 9:00:00 AM EDT
>>> *Subject: **Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers 
>>> within a year*
>>> *Source: *AppleInsider
>>>
>>> Apple's worldwide single-carrier exclusivity model for each nation 
>>> is seen as fleeting, as a new report suggests the iPhone could be 
>>> available for carriers other than AT&T in the U.S. within a year.
>>> 
>>>
>>> Read more… 
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> >

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Re: Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers within a year

[Chris Blouch]

Maybe this is why all the cable companies have been testing the waters 
with data caps, overage fees and trying to redefine what broadband means 
with the government (at least here in the US). If I have pretty much 
unlimited broadband, why not cancel TV service and get all my shows via 
the internet?

CB

Larry Wanger wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
>  
>
> This is an interesting read, especially the bits on TV shows. I was 
> reading something on Sunday where a Microsoft Executive was warning 
> the television industry that Apple could do to it what it's done to 
> music. Apparently the fact that they made it easy for consumers to 
> purchase what they wanted, albums or song by song and in an extremely 
> easy way has been a problem for the record companies. And that we 
> don't go down to the record store and purchase albums. You can bet the 
> cable companies are going to line up and fight this. I think this will 
> be different than how music went because, while you had a few big 
> chains of record stores that lost out because we don't purchase CDs 
> along with a lot of mom and pop shops, with TV shows you've got 
> billion dollar corporations that stand in the way as distributors. You 
> can bet that these guys (Comcast, Cox, Time Warner) and others aren't 
> going to just let this happen. Could be entertaining to watch how new 
> technology and product distribution methods battle with dinosaur cable 
> and satellite companies.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> 
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Howell
> *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2009 1:01 PM
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Fwd: Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers 
> within a year
>
>  
>
> Folks, I know there has been a lot of excitement
>
>  about SL, but I wanted to share this article, which updates some 
> other areas Apple is working on.  One of these is about the iPhone and 
> even the future of the Apple TV perhaps.
>
> Check it out, there are some interesting bits in here.Begin forwarded 
> message:
>
>
>
> *Date: *
>
> August 31, 2009 9:00:00 AM EDT
>
> *Subject: Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers within a 
> year*
>
> *Source: *
>
> AppleInsider
>
>
>
> Apple's worldwide single-carrier exclusivity model for each nation is 
> seen as fleeting, as a new report suggests the iPhone could be 
> available for carriers other than AT&T in the U.S. within a year.
>
> 
>
> Read more... 
> 
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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Re: Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers within a year

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

None of these carriers will be Sprint, which is what I have now.   
Bummer.


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Re: Mail messages not being read automatically

[Robert Carter]

Hi Anna,

Strange as it sounds, Snow Leopard really settled down and started behaving 
normally after the first day.

Robert

- Original Message -
From: Woody Anna Dresner 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, Sep 3, 2009 8:27:40
Subject: Re: Mail messages not being read automatically

>
>
> 
> Hi Robert and all,
> 
> Last night almost none of my messages were being read automatically,  
> and today, they all are. I didn't change anything, I don't think, but  
> it's possible. Go figure.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
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Re: Query about Voice Over issues in Snow Leopard

[Marie Howarth]

James,
with any update, things get broken. on the whole everything seems to  
be working as it should for me. things have changed in some instances  
and I think that has caused a little confusion. I think apple have  
done a good job without opening it up to other people, and to be  
honest, I am not sure if opening testing up is often a good idea.  
Especially from the marketing point of view. apple like to keep things  
under raps and if the testing was opened up more, I do believe that  
would be harder to maintain.
in short, not sure all of the bugs are necessarily voice over lack of  
testing related. and as i said, with any update, major one at that,  
there will be things that don't work just right. accessibility are  
usually great and if people email them with genuine bugs, I'm sure  
they will be fixed.

On Sep 3, 2009, at 12:06 PM, James & Nash wrote:

>
> Hi folks,
>
> I've been following with interest all the issues that people have been
> reporting on the list since they upgraded to Snow Leopard. This  
> makes me
> wonder how thoroughly Apple tested Voice over with its new additions  
> before
> releasing. Now before anyone gets offended, I think it's a fair  
> question.
> The new features of VO sound great, but is it possible that something
> somewhere broke when they introduced some of them? I am wondering  
> too if
> some of the issue people are reporting were made apparent to beta  
> testers.
>
> I think that this is the problem with Apple's beta program. Perhaps  
> they
> should open it up to more people - those who are not developers for
> instance. In doing so, they might get more feedback as some people  
> would use
> Voice Over diferently and do things in alternative ways to other  
> people.
>
>
>
> Take care
>
> James
>
>
> >


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stopping audio when trying to download files

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

With Leopard, if a file I wanted to download started playing, I could  
press Space to stop playback, then go to the address bar and press  
Option-Return to download the file instead. The downloading still  
works, but pressing Space doesn't stop playback. instead, it starts  
playback over at the beginning of the file. Does anyone know of a way  
to stop playback from the keyboard?

Thanks,
Anna


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ignore next keystroke seems broken

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I just went to my Windows XP desktop in Fusion. I typed VO-Tab to have  
VoiceOver ignore the next keystroke, and then typed VO-X, my shortcut  
to open Firefox. Nothing happened. This happened consistently. The  
only way I could get it to work was if I kept holding down the VO keys  
after pressing Tab and pressed X while they were still held down. Then  
Control-Alt-X was passed to Fusion. Has anyone else experienced this?

Best,
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Re: problems reading a document in textedit

[Marie Howarth]

never had this happen, I have to say. text edit is usually the most  
stable app on the comp.

On Sep 3, 2009, at 2:05 PM, James & Nash wrote:

>
> Could it dpend on the length of the document? This should not be the  
> case
> but I have known it happen in Microsoft Office
> - Original Message -
> From: "anouk radix" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:50 PM
> Subject: problems reading a document in textedit
>
>
>>
>> Hello everyone, i tried again today to take my macbook pro with me to
>> school today but it did not go as well as the first two times. I had
>> to consult a lawbook (if htats the right word) and every time i went
>> down a line i got messages like textedit busy or busy or textedit
>> ready which made it nearly impossible to read through the document.
>> This happened with down arrow but also vo-down. I am going to see  
>> if I
>> have the spelling turned off and if changing the format will do
>> anything. The computer shoudl not have been much taxdd, i mean it has
>> 3 ghz 4gig of ram and textedit was the only application running. This
>> was very frustrating and annoying.
>> Greetings, Anouk,
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly

[Mac Cougar]

make sure you have a monitor connected or it will say busy all the  
time or most of it anyways.

Steve
On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:31 AM, Michael D. Barber wrote:

>
> I thought I submitted this last night, but perhaps it didn't make it  
> to the
> list.  I am having difficulty on my Mac Mini with web pages loading  
> quite
> slowly.  Is anyone else experiencing this problem and do you have a
> solution?  Are there any settings which need changing?
> Thanks.
>
> Cordially,
> Michael Barber
>
>
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Re: Query about Voice Over issues in Snow Leopard

[James & Nash]

Hi Marie,

Yes you're right, Acessibility are generally very good when contacted. Even 
if for some reason they cannot fix something immediately or implement a 
feature straight away, they will generally be curteous enough to send you an 
acknowledgement that is personalized.

Take care

James
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From: "Marie Howarth" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: Query about Voice Over issues in Snow Leopard


>
> James,
> with any update, things get broken. on the whole everything seems to
> be working as it should for me. things have changed in some instances
> and I think that has caused a little confusion. I think apple have
> done a good job without opening it up to other people, and to be
> honest, I am not sure if opening testing up is often a good idea.
> Especially from the marketing point of view. apple like to keep things
> under raps and if the testing was opened up more, I do believe that
> would be harder to maintain.
> in short, not sure all of the bugs are necessarily voice over lack of
> testing related. and as i said, with any update, major one at that,
> there will be things that don't work just right. accessibility are
> usually great and if people email them with genuine bugs, I'm sure
> they will be fixed.
>
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 12:06 PM, James & Nash wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I've been following with interest all the issues that people have been
>> reporting on the list since they upgraded to Snow Leopard. This
>> makes me
>> wonder how thoroughly Apple tested Voice over with its new additions
>> before
>> releasing. Now before anyone gets offended, I think it's a fair
>> question.
>> The new features of VO sound great, but is it possible that something
>> somewhere broke when they introduced some of them? I am wondering
>> too if
>> some of the issue people are reporting were made apparent to beta
>> testers.
>>
>> I think that this is the problem with Apple's beta program. Perhaps
>> they
>> should open it up to more people - those who are not developers for
>> instance. In doing so, they might get more feedback as some people
>> would use
>> Voice Over diferently and do things in alternative ways to other
>> people.
>>
>>
>>
>> Take care
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> >
>
>
> >
> 


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Re: Mail messages not being read automatically

[Søren Jensen]

Hi Dan and others who have this problem.

To fix this issue, you can try the following:
1: Open the Voiceover Utility
2: Navigate to the verbosity tab
3: Set your verbosity to medium
4: Press tab again and expand the details triangle, and please, read  
the rest of the steps carefully so you don't break any settings
5: Press the tab key again, and remember: If you haven't changed it in  
the voiceover settings, Voiceover will automatically interact with the  
table when you tab over to it
6: Now, press vo and the down arrow until voiceover says: "Text area."  
Then press VO right arrow once to the popup button, press VO spacebar  
and change it to medium.

Please note: I don't recommend you to follow these steps if you are  
not 100% sure on how to navigate in tables. If you select the wrong  
item in the table, you might break other settings which might do weird  
things to voiceover.

I don't have this mail-issue myself, so it's just an idea which might  
fix this issue. If I set the text area to low, my Voiceover doesn't  
read the text automatically when I press VO j to jump to text area in  
mail.

Best regards Søren.
On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:32 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:

>
> Hi, this is a bug which i hope will be fixed in a 10.6.1 update.
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:53 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I upgraded to Snow Leopard this afternoon. The transition is going
>> reasonably well, but I have a question. I have been reading e-mail by
>> pressing VO-J from the messages list to jump to the message. In
>> Leopard, the message was always read automatically when I did this,
>> which was very convenient. Now the message is occasionally read, but
>> most of the time I have to press VO-A to get it to read. Has anyone
>> else experienced this? Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Anna
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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can't control-click on misspelled words

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

Normally I check spelling in e-mail by pressing Command-Semicolon,  
then pressing VO-Shift-M to access the spelling options. This doesn't  
appear to work in Snow Leopard. The misspelled word is highlighted as  
expected, but when I press VO-Shift-M, a different word gets  
highlighted instead. Has anyone else experienced this?

Thanks,
Anna


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Re: mac mini mic jack

[Chris Blouch]

A stereo mic is an unusual piece of gear often used for recording large 
venue performance where ambient sound and stereo imaging are critical to 
faithful reproduction such as chorales and large pipe organ 
installations. Best thing would be to check in with an audio pro but 
here's a couple you might want to check into:

http://www.zzounds.com/cat--Stereo-Microphones--2845

Prices range from $50 to $600 depending on your application. Of course 
these all terminate in XLR connectors and most require phantom power so 
you'll need a preamp to run these into your mac recorder.

CB

hank smith wrote:
> any good sites for stereo mics?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Chris Blouch 
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2009 1:38 PM
> *Subject:* Re: mac mini mic jack
>
> Your guess is correct. The Macs have a line-in without a mic
> preamp. As posted by this person some time ago:
>
> http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/215780-post5.html
>
> most of the PC sound cards have a mic input with a preamp but the
> sound quality is poor. I guess Apple figured that anybody who
> wanted to do stuff with external mics would want to have good
> sound quality and would pick a preamp that they like. Condenser
> mics also need 48 v power (sometimes called phantom power) so just
> doing a line input removed a who lot of complexity that many users
> just wouldn't care about. That also means a bunch of junky PC mics
> just won't work with the Mac without some external gear. Most $30
> and up preamps will sound pretty decent and have lots of nice
> features. Here's one example just googling around:
>
> http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHMIC100
>
> CB
>
> Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Okay, just because the microphone worked with the Windows PC
>> doesn't mean its going to work with the Mac I'm afraid and if my
>> hunch is correct - that you're using a microphone which plugs
>> into the microphone jack of a PC and you're expecting it to work
>> plugged into the Line in jack of your Mac - then you're going to
>> be a little disappointed I think .
>>
>> I can't answer your garage Band question I'm afraid so let's deal
>> with Skype then.  The first thing you need to do is set the audio
>> preferences in Skype, these are independent o the System
>> Preferences for the Mac and are found by pressing command-, in
>> Skype, go to the Toolbar, interact with it and press vo-space on
>> the "Audio" button.  From here you select your input and output,
>> make sure the input reflects the microphone or whatever you're using.
>>
>> I bypassed a lot of this trouble by using a simple USB
>> microphone, Logitech sell one for about $40.00 which does an
>> excellent job, its the same as the one I use.  You may also like
>> to consider a USB headset though be a little careful here, some
>> microphones on some sound as though you have your finger stuck up
>> your nose .
>>
>> One final thing, to determine what you sound like on Skype, make
>> a call to "Skype Test Call" which should be in your contacts
>> table somewhere, if you can't find it then go into the "View"
>> menu and select "Show offline contacts"
>>
>>
>> On 22/08/2009, at 12:46 PM, John G. Heim wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I am trying to use skype on my mac mini. But the microphone
>>> doesn't work. I
>>> know the microphone I am using works because I just made a skype
>>> call with
>>> it on my Windows machine on Monday. I also tried connecting a
>>> stereo imput
>>> line to the jack and recording something with Garage Band and
>>> that didn't
>>> work either.
>>>
>>> I went into system preferences and found the imput tab. I turned
>>> the lin-in
>>> volume up to 100%. Still no luck.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> Dane Trethowan
>> From Melton Victoria Australia
>> mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net 
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane
>> blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com
>> Phone United Kingdom
>> 02032874641
>> Phone Australia
>> 0390058589
>> Phone United States
>> 8159261869
>> Fax:
>> +61 3 9743 7954x
>> MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net 
>> skype:grtdane12
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> >

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Re: tactile iphone

[Chris Blouch]

The brainport actually hit the somewhat mainstream geek news on 
slashdot.org a week or so ago:

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/08/22/2035256/BrainPort-Lets-the-Blind-See-With-Their-Tongues

CB

Chris Hofstader wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I got to try one of the lollipop devices a number of years back when  
> it was purely a research toy.  With a little practice, I could "see" a  
> Coke can on a table, roll a ball back and forth across a table and  
> find door frames while walking down a hall.
>
> To those of us who had great vision in the past, it didn't meet our  
> expectations based on our youth but, compared to the nothingness that  
> RP has brought me, it was all beautiful.  I remember the electric  
> tingling being noticeable but, after a little while, not bad enough to  
> cause any discomfort.  It sounds like this new device lowers the  
> amperage even further which, if it works as well as the research one I  
> tried years back, it will be an enormous step forward.
>
> cdh
> On Sep 1, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
>
>   
>> I believe that the current would be so minute as to not have any long
>> term consequence to the nerve endings. When you consider energy in
>> it's many forms, heat is one. And the nerves are being stimulated
>> through the epidermic coat. Furthermore, they are currently getting
>> approval from the fcc about this synthetic vusion device called
>> brainport, which is a dime piece sized lolly one places on the tongue
>> to induce stimulation coming from what a digital camera sees. In
>> comparison, the tongue's nerve endings are infinately more sensitive
>> than those of the fingers. The sensations evoked by the test subjects
>> *this project has been going on for quite some time now, thus the
>> confidence of submitting the device for approval from the inventors*
>> is like champagne bubbles on the tongue.
>>
>> I think we're talking milli ampers here, not quite the tickles we can
>> get from touching static lectricity.
>>
>> But this is only my opinion, though educated from researching
>> available papers on google scholar and such pertinent articles.
>>
>> best
>>
>> 
>
>
> >
>   

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Voiceover and the spell checker

[Søren Jensen]

Hi.

When Voiceover reads a misspelled word, it makes a small break before  
it continue the reading. It also does that when I set the "in- 
countering a misspelled word" to "do nothing" in the Voiceover  
settings. It's very annoying. Has anyone found this issue as well?

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Re: can't control-click on misspelled words

[James & Nash]

I can't comment right now on this as I don't have SL yet, but have you 
looked in the VO help menu as the commands might be different?

Take care

James
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To: 
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Subject: can't control-click on misspelled words


>
> Hi,
>
> Normally I check spelling in e-mail by pressing Command-Semicolon,
> then pressing VO-Shift-M to access the spelling options. This doesn't
> appear to work in Snow Leopard. The misspelled word is highlighted as
> expected, but when I press VO-Shift-M, a different word gets
> highlighted instead. Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> Thanks,
> Anna
>
>
> > 


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RE: Voiceover and the spell checker

[Blake Sinnett]

Confirmed.
 
> From: s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Subject: Voiceover and the spell checker
> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:19:50 +0200
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> Hi.
> 
> When Voiceover reads a misspelled word, it makes a small break before 
> it continue the reading. It also does that when I set the "in- 
> countering a misspelled word" to "do nothing" in the Voiceover 
> settings. It's very annoying. Has anyone found this issue as well?
> 
> Best regards Søren.
> > 

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Re: can't control-click on misspelled words

[Justin Harford]

Howdy

This really depends on where you are talking about.  It has never  
worked under email since the days of Leopard (not tiger).  I find it  
still works under textedit.  In safari, has anyone tried that?

Justin
El Sep 3, 2009, a las 8:23 AM, James & Nash escribió:

>
> I can't comment right now on this as I don't have SL yet, but have you
> looked in the VO help menu as the commands might be different?
>
> Take care
>
> James
> - Original Message -
> From: "Woody Anna Dresner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 4:04 PM
> Subject: can't control-click on misspelled words
>
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Normally I check spelling in e-mail by pressing Command-Semicolon,
>> then pressing VO-Shift-M to access the spelling options. This doesn't
>> appear to work in Snow Leopard. The misspelled word is highlighted as
>> expected, but when I press VO-Shift-M, a different word gets
>> highlighted instead. Has anyone else experienced this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Anna
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: interesting bug with the save dialog

[Justin Harford]

Right that's what I do.  It just seems to me that it would be common  
sense that you would not want to hide landmines like this throughout  
an operating system.  One of the great things that I have found  
generally about OS X and computers in general is that there are  
several ways to do something.

I was not interested in an alternative solution, I was interested to  
see if people have experienced the same thing as to know if it could  
be reported.

Thank you
Justin Harford
El Sep 3, 2009, a las 1:49 AM, Marie Howarth escribió:

>
> use vo, works fine.
>
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Justin Harford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> An interesting SL bug for you.
>>
>> Go into textedit.  Write a document.  Press cmd s to open the save
>> dialog.  Then try to tab over to the place where you select the
>> folder, assuming that that you have that checkbox to the right of the
>> name field checked.  After you tab past the sidebar, voiceover starts
>> uncontrollably stuttering,  Lol it's doing it right now, gosh
>> voiceover I didn't think it was that cold!
>>
>> So basically my VO is completely messed up until I restart it… woof
>> much better.  Anyway the save dialog, from this end, is pretty much  
>> no
>> longer usable with the keyboard cursor.
>>
>> Let me know what you all find.
>>
>> Justin Harford
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: bluetooth braille

[Scott McCormack]

I don't have a bc640 so I am just guessing here but maybe it leaves
the bluetooth radio on even though it is supposed to be in USB mode
and the mac is just happening to grab the BT first. Try removing the
display from the bluetooth config then reattach it via USB.

On Sep 2, 12:00 am, anouk radix  wrote:
> Hello, it works with my bc640 but now i cant get it to connect via usb  
> again. Bluetooth braille seems a bit slower so if i can i prefer usb,  
> the preferred interface within my bc640 is set to usb and i have it  
> connected via usb but it still connects via bluetooth  maybe a reboot  
> will help.
> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: copying text from mail?

[Dan]

Hello,
Yesterday, I emailed accessibility about this.

Dan
key...@comcast.net



On Sep 3, 2009, at 2:10 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

>
>
> 3 sep 2009 kl. 04.19 skrev Justin Harford:
>
>>
>> Hey there
>>
>> Yep the vo command for select is broken when you are reading a
>> message, but that interestingly does not mean we can't highlight
>> text.
> Is Apple accessibility aware of this? I just tried the selection
> command and sure enough it didn't work. It will be really interesting
> to see if the selection command works in reply mode.
> /Krister
>
>
>
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Re: Voiceover and the spell checker

[Marie Howarth]

I think it is an audio cue. especially the indentations and is also a  
clue to tell you of a mispelled word.

On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:32 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote:

> Confirmed.
>
> > From: s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> > Subject: Voiceover and the spell checker
> > Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:19:50 +0200
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > When Voiceover reads a misspelled word, it makes a small break  
> before
> > it continue the reading. It also does that when I set the "in-
> > countering a misspelled word" to "do nothing" in the Voiceover
> > settings. It's very annoying. Has anyone found this issue as well?
> >
> > Best regards Søren.
> >
> >


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Re: can't control-click on misspelled words

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Justin,

When I started using Leopard in June, I couldn't use the spell check  
procedure I described in my last message. However, the most recent OS  
update fixed it so I could use that procedure. Looks like Snow Leopard  
broke it again.

Best,
Anna


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coe 2 duo?

[william lomas]

Hi, I have 1 processor on my macbook with 2 cores running at 2.4 GHZ.  
What essentially please, does this mean?
Will


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opening new safari window

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hi everyone,

Is there a way to open a new window browser by clicking on a link?  
like a context menu?

THanks, and best

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solona

[william lomas]

hi looks like solona apparently, have an automated image varification  
system in place now which will, hurray! work on mac or so they say.
Wonder how we "capture" the image though and send it to them?
Will


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Re: problems reading a document in textedit

[John J Herzog]

Hi,
I have noticed the same behavior you mentioned. It normally occurs on  
long documents, and textedit does in deed say busy after arrowing down  
each line. It's quite frustrating, but if you have Iwork, it seems to  
do a better job.
Note: When I say long documents, I am referring to those that are  
several hundred pages or more in length.


On Sep 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, James & Nash wrote:

>
> Could it dpend on the length of the document? This should not be the  
> case
> but I have known it happen in Microsoft Office
> - Original Message -
> From: "anouk radix" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:50 PM
> Subject: problems reading a document in textedit
>
>
>>
>> Hello everyone, i tried again today to take my macbook pro with me to
>> school today but it did not go as well as the first two times. I had
>> to consult a lawbook (if htats the right word) and every time i went
>> down a line i got messages like textedit busy or busy or textedit
>> ready which made it nearly impossible to read through the document.
>> This happened with down arrow but also vo-down. I am going to see  
>> if I
>> have the spelling turned off and if changing the format will do
>> anything. The computer shoudl not have been much taxdd, i mean it has
>> 3 ghz 4gig of ram and textedit was the only application running. This
>> was very frustrating and annoying.
>> Greetings, Anouk,
>>
>>>
>
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Re: interesting bug with the save dialog

[Simon Cavendish]

I have a similar problem with Idisk but the variation is such as to  
demand a password from me as I happen to have IDisk. Because I do not  
wish to choose IDisk, I do not provide such a password. But then I'm  
stuck. the dialogue returns over and over again and I'm stuck. I can't  
go past the IDisk in the sidebar and therefore I am unable to choose  
any other location on my computer.

Best wishes

Simon
On 3 Sep 2009, at 10:32, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

>
>
> 3 sep 2009 kl. 06.59 skrev Justin Harford:
>
>> Go into textedit.  Write a document.  Press cmd s to open the save
>> dialog.  Then try to tab over to the place where you select the
>> folder, assuming that that you have that checkbox to the right of the
>> name field checked.  After you tab past the sidebar, voiceover starts
>> uncontrollably stuttering,  Lol it's doing it right now, gosh
>
> I didn't see this problem when i tried this, but i have another
> interesting observation for ya: go into any open or save dialog, try
> using the side bar to select a disk. If you like me have no Mobile me,
> but for some reason have Idisk in your sidebar, you will find that you
> get a dialog that tells you that connection to the server
> idisk.mac.com can't be made. If you click the ok button, the same
> dialog will pop up again and again and if you ignore the dialog and go
> into the program where you opened the dialog, you will find it's busy
> and won't accept any commands.
> The only way to get out of this infinite loop as far as i've found, is
> to simply force quit the program that opened the open or save dialog.
> This is perfectly normal behaviour, i think, since there's no idisk
> because i have no mobileme, but i wonder how to get rid of the idisk
> in the side bar? I think i know how to do it, i just want it
> confirmed.:-)
> /Krister
>
> >


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Re: opening new safari window

[Simon Cavendish]

Dear Yuma, Do you mean to open a particular link in a new browser  
window? Try routing your mouse cursor to your vo cursor - unless you  
have the two cursor tracking - and then perform right click by holding  
the control button and clicking the physical mouse. You should be  
presented with a menu where I think you might find "open in new  
window" option.

Best wishes

Simon
On 3 Sep 2009, at 17:26, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

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> Hi everyone,
>
> Is there a way to open a new window browser by clicking on a link?
> like a context menu?
>
> THanks, and best
>
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Re: can't control-click on misspelled words

[James & Nash]

I thought you could use the applications menu - don'tremeber what Mac calls 
it but that should show you possible spellings. Also, doesn't the spelling 
dialogue give you possible spelling corrections?

Take care

James
- Original Message - 
From: "Woody Anna Dresner" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: can't control-click on misspelled words


>
> Hi Justin,
>
> When I started using Leopard in June, I couldn't use the spell check
> procedure I described in my last message. However, the most recent OS
> update fixed it so I could use that procedure. Looks like Snow Leopard
> broke it again.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
> > 


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Re: can't control-click on misspelled words

[Justin Harford]

She was using the context menu.

It is true that we can still use the spelling dialog which is what we  
may have to do.  I personally have been more partial to the way  
without the dialog though.

Justin
El Sep 3, 2009, a las 10:32 AM, James & Nash escribió:

>
> I thought you could use the applications menu - don'tremeber what  
> Mac calls
> it but that should show you possible spellings. Also, doesn't the  
> spelling
> dialogue give you possible spelling corrections?
>
> Take care
>
> James
> - Original Message -
> From: "Woody Anna Dresner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: can't control-click on misspelled words
>
>
>>
>> Hi Justin,
>>
>> When I started using Leopard in June, I couldn't use the spell check
>> procedure I described in my last message. However, the most recent OS
>> update fixed it so I could use that procedure. Looks like Snow  
>> Leopard
>> broke it again.
>>
>> Best,
>> Anna
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: opening new safari window

[Esther]

Hi Yuma,

Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

> Is there a way to open a new window browser by clicking on a link?
> like a context menu?

Take a look at your Safari preferences menu and select the tab button  
on the toolbar (Command-comma to open preferences, interact, navigate  
to tab button and press (VO-Space), then look at the tab settings.)   
The command sequences seem to depend on how you set the two checkboxes.

1.If you have the box checked for
   ⌘-click opens a link in a new tab
then the default option is to open the page in a new tab instead of a  
new window when you Command-Click on a link, and you have to use  
Command-Option-Click to open the link in a new window.  If the box is  
unchecked, these definitions are reversed, with the default to open in  
a new window with Command-Click, and the addition of the Option key  
needed to open in a new tab.

2. The second check box determines whether the new tab or window is  
made active (i.e., receives focus), so if you check the box for:
  When a new tab or window opens, make it active
then using Command-Click or Command-Option-Click will not only open a  
link in either a new window or tab, it will also move your focus there.

Assuming that you want to open links in a new window and have it  
receive focus, you would uncheck the first checkbox and check the  
second:
⌘-click opens a link in a new tab unchecked check box
When a new tab or window opens, make it active checked check box

Then the following sequences will work:
Command-Click: Opens a link in a new window, and makes it the active  
window.
Command-Shift-Click: Opens a link in a new window.
Command-Option-Click: Opens a link in a new tab, and makes it the  
active tab.
Command-Option-Shift-Click: Opens a link in a new tab.

Incidentally, there's something weird about the way VoiceOver is  
navigating to and announcing these options on this menu, and it seems  
to have to do with the use of a symbol for the Command key.  But the  
above definitions seem to work.

I can't imagine any VoiceOver users wanting to open new tabs or  
windows without making them active, so everyone should check the box  
for the second checkbox option:
When a new tab or window opens, make it active

Then, the only question is whether you want to open links in a new tab  
or in a new window.  I usually use new windows, and use command-accent  
to switch between windows, so I uncheck the first checkbox to open  
links in a new tab, Command-Click on the link, then close the window  
with Command-W when I'm done.

HTH.

Cheers,

Esther



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Re: opening new safari window

[Barry Hadder]

Hi,
You can open a link in a new tab by pressing cmd-enter.
   You can bring up a context menu in the usual way with vo-shft-m for  
more options.  I find it a little odd that you haven't tried that.
Just as a side note, You can open Safari help and type keyboard in the  
search field to see all of the shortcuts.
Hope that helps.
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>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Is there a way to open a new window browser by clicking on a link?
> like a context menu?
>
> THanks, and best
>
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Labels and VO

[Fonzie]

HI all, I hope all is well.

The introduction of labels is very handy indeed.  would anyone know  
where these are saved at? Say, if I miss label something, or wish to  
relabel is, how would I go about accessing labels I already created?

I might be looking in the wrong areas, but thought I would post it  
here, in case anyone has already found out how to do this.

I know that VO + / will allow you to bring up the label editor, to  
assign something a label, but maybe there is a command that I am  
missing to bring up labels you already made?  I am sure it is somewhere.

Take care

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Re: opening new safari window

[Esther]

Hi Yuma,

If you follow Barry's suggestion, you don't need to route your mouse  
cursor to the VO cursor to open in a new tab with Command-Enter (or,  
more accurately, Command-"Return").  If you want to open in a new  
window instead of a new tab, open your Safari preferences (Command- 
comma), navigate to the Tabs button on the toolbar and press it (VO- 
Space), then uncheck the first checkbox on the Tabs Pane so that it  
reads:

  ⌘-click opens a link in a new tab unchecked check box

Then Command-Return will open your link in a new window.  Check the  
second check box:

   When a new tab or window opens, make it active checked check box

and the newly opened window will get focus.

Cheers,

Esther

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> Thanks, i'll try that. to route the mouse cursor to the vo cursor it's
> VO command F5 right?
>
> Thanks
>
> Best
>
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Re: interesting bug with the save dialog

[Esther]

Hello Simon and Krister,

Can you remove the iDisk from the FInder sidebar by going to the  
Preferences menu for Finder (Command-Comma), and navigating to the  
Sidebar button on the toolbar, then pressing (VO-Space)?  On the  
Sidebar pane you should be able to uncheck any items you don't want  
displayed in the sidebar -- like the iDisk.

Cheers,

Esther

Simon Cavendish wrote:

>
> I have a similar problem with Idisk but the variation is such as to
> demand a password from me as I happen to have IDisk. Because I do not
> wish to choose IDisk, I do not provide such a password. But then I'm
> stuck. the dialogue returns over and over again and I'm stuck. I can't
> go past the IDisk in the sidebar and therefore I am unable to choose
> any other location on my computer.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Simon
> On 3 Sep 2009, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 3 sep 2009 kl. 06.59 skrev Justin Harford:
>>
>>> Go into textedit.  Write a document.  Press cmd s to open the save
>>> dialog.  Then try to tab over to the place where you select the
>>> folder, assuming that that you have that checkbox to the right of  
>>> the
>>> name field checked.  After you tab past the sidebar, voiceover  
>>> starts
>>> uncontrollably stuttering,  Lol it's doing it right now, gosh
>>
>> I didn't see this problem when i tried this, but i have another
>> interesting observation for ya: go into any open or save dialog, try
>> using the side bar to select a disk. If you like me have no Mobile  
>> me,
>> but for some reason have Idisk in your sidebar, you will find that  
>> you
>> get a dialog that tells you that connection to the server
>> idisk.mac.com can't be made. If you click the ok button, the same
>> dialog will pop up again and again and if you ignore the dialog and  
>> go
>> into the program where you opened the dialog, you will find it's busy
>> and won't accept any commands.
>> The only way to get out of this infinite loop as far as i've found,  
>> is
>> to simply force quit the program that opened the open or save dialog.
>> This is perfectly normal behaviour, i think, since there's no idisk
>> because i have no mobileme, but i wonder how to get rid of the idisk
>> in the side bar? I think i know how to do it, i just want it
>> confirmed.:-)
>> /Krister
>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: opening new safari window

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Thanks, i'll try that. to route the mouse cursor to the vo cursor it's  
VO command F5 right?

Thanks

Best

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Re: opening new safari window

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hi guys,

So shift acts a bit like a secondary command list. That's good to  
know :)

I have looked at a list of keyboard shortcuts, but they vary from  
context to context, or so it tends to make me believe.

Thanks a lot for the info though, one more for the mac

bbest

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Re: Snow leopard clean install and restoring home folder from time machine

[Jessi and Goldina]

be careful though, if your drive if for whatever reason formatted for  
windows, there doesn't seem to be a way to import your data back  
without manually copying and pasting the folders. this is my dilemma  
right now! still trying to get stuff back.
On 2009-09-03, at 2:40 AM, John JD Denning wrote:

>
> Yes that is true. You can choose time Machine or a vackup.  I have
> done three like that now. Woorked great.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:14, Simon Cavendish
>  wrote:
>
>>
>> When I was listening to Mike Arigo's podcast on Installing SL from
>> scratch, having eraseed the hard drive, there seemed to be an option
>> during the installation to retrieve one's home folder from Time
>> Machine. Is it true? Does that mean that during the installation you
>> can choose this option and copy back into Snow Leopard your home
>> folder with all your applications and other files? Canit be safely
>> done with voiceover and wirelessly? It's probably a dumb question  
>> from
>> a lay person but any info would be appreciated. I have my Time  
>> Machine
>> backing up my data regularly. Otherwise if you wanted to do a clean
>> install, how would you bring all your personal folder data back
>> without having to reinstall all your applications yet again?
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>>
>
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Re: Voiceover and the spell checker

[Søren Jensen]

Yeah. Bu it shouldn't happen if I turn it off in the Vo settings,  
should it? When I set it to "do nothing" it still make this annoying  
break, just without any sound.

Best regards Søren.
On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Marie Howarth wrote:

>
> I think it is an audio cue. especially the indentations and is also a
> clue to tell you of a mispelled word.
>
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:32 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote:
>
>> Confirmed.
>>
>>> From: s...@coolfortheblind.dk
>>> Subject: Voiceover and the spell checker
>>> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:19:50 +0200
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> When Voiceover reads a misspelled word, it makes a small break
>> before
>>> it continue the reading. It also does that when I set the "in-
>>> countering a misspelled word" to "do nothing" in the Voiceover
>>> settings. It's very annoying. Has anyone found this issue as well?
>>>
>>> Best regards Søren.
>>>
>>>
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Re: opening new safari window

[Barry Hadder]

Yuma,

I don't know how new you are to voiceover and the Mac so I want to  
make sure something is clear to you.
vo-shft-m is a voiceover key and not a Safari key and you won't find  
it in the Safari help.  You can use that anywhere to bring up a  
context menu.  There are times when it doesn't work like it should,  
but it's the first thing you want to try when you need a context  
menu.  Most of the time it works just fine.
Good luck.
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>
> Hi guys,
>
> So shift acts a bit like a secondary command list. That's good to
> know :)
>
> I have looked at a list of keyboard shortcuts, but they vary from
> context to context, or so it tends to make me believe.
>
> Thanks a lot for the info though, one more for the mac
>
> bbest
>
> Yuma
>
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Re: interesting bug with the save dialog

[Marie Howarth]

simon,
use letters to jump to the folders you wish in your sidebar. i.e, a  
for applications.
hth

On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:27 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:

>
> I have a similar problem with Idisk but the variation is such as to
> demand a password from me as I happen to have IDisk. Because I do not
> wish to choose IDisk, I do not provide such a password. But then I'm
> stuck. the dialogue returns over and over again and I'm stuck. I can't
> go past the IDisk in the sidebar and therefore I am unable to choose
> any other location on my computer.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Simon
> On 3 Sep 2009, at 10:32, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 3 sep 2009 kl. 06.59 skrev Justin Harford:
>>
>>> Go into textedit.  Write a document.  Press cmd s to open the save
>>> dialog.  Then try to tab over to the place where you select the
>>> folder, assuming that that you have that checkbox to the right of  
>>> the
>>> name field checked.  After you tab past the sidebar, voiceover  
>>> starts
>>> uncontrollably stuttering,  Lol it's doing it right now, gosh
>>
>> I didn't see this problem when i tried this, but i have another
>> interesting observation for ya: go into any open or save dialog, try
>> using the side bar to select a disk. If you like me have no Mobile  
>> me,
>> but for some reason have Idisk in your sidebar, you will find that  
>> you
>> get a dialog that tells you that connection to the server
>> idisk.mac.com can't be made. If you click the ok button, the same
>> dialog will pop up again and again and if you ignore the dialog and  
>> go
>> into the program where you opened the dialog, you will find it's busy
>> and won't accept any commands.
>> The only way to get out of this infinite loop as far as i've found,  
>> is
>> to simply force quit the program that opened the open or save dialog.
>> This is perfectly normal behaviour, i think, since there's no idisk
>> because i have no mobileme, but i wonder how to get rid of the idisk
>> in the side bar? I think i know how to do it, i just want it
>> confirmed.:-)
>> /Krister
>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: opening new safari window

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hi guys,

That works like a charm

Thanks a lot!

best

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Re: opening new safari window

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hey Barry,

Oh yea, i meant i was looking into the voice over key list.

Thanks for the precision though :)

best

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Re: opening new safari window

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hi ester,

I do think opening new windows might be better. Perhaps with snow  
leopard it's fixed as i think they have the individual threads for  
each tabs, but i'm still on leopard right now. Soon though :)

Also, it might be easier to just command accent for jumping from  
window to window, as i tried doing it with different tabs and didn't  
like the nav flow.

Thanks, and best

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Re: opening new safari window

[Esther]

Hi Yuma,

Shift seems to act as a secondary modifier on the Mac.  In some  
instances, like adjusting sliders for sound or brightness, or moving  
splitters or resizing windows, pressing the shift key gives you fine  
control to move in smaller increments.  In other cases, such as using  
tab, command-tab, or command-accent to move around, pressing shift  
with these keys reverses the movement directions.  In the present case  
I think it was just used as a way to distinguish between two kinds of  
actions (making tabs or windows "active" for the focus or not).

The option key is another key used with decision points -- such as  
which iTunes library to open, or which device to boot from on startup,  
if you have more than one drive connected.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

>
> Hi guys,
>
> So shift acts a bit like a secondary command list. That's good to
> know :)
>
> I have looked at a list of keyboard shortcuts, but they vary from
> context to context, or so it tends to make me believe.
>
> Thanks a lot for the info though, one more for the mac
>
> bbest
>
> Yuma
>
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Re: opening new safari window

[Esther]

Hi Barry,

We've got two different discussions going on here.  Yuma was  
responding to my (lengthy) post about the options on the Safari  
Preferences menu for tabbing.  Although they use sequences like  
Command-Click, Command-Shift-Click, Command-Option-Click, and Command- 
Option-Shift-Click for their actions, a VoiceOver user can substitute  
pressing the "Return" key (that some users refer to as the "Enter"  
key) in place of Clicking, and it is not necessary to route the mouse  
to the link with VO-Command-F5 first (at least in the present version  
of Safari, Mac OS X 10.5.8 Leopard, and perhaps also in Snow  
Leopard).  You were talking about VO-Shift-M as VoiceOver's way to get  
to the contextual menu (including the context menu for a web page  
link), which gives other options like copying the link URL,  
downloading the link's content (if it's a PDF file or mp3 files),  
opening the link in a new window, etc.

At present setting up the Safari preferences from the tab pane will  
allow you to use Command-Return and Command-Option-Return to open a  
link in either a new tab or window that gets focus.  (Wow, I've gotten  
used to typing Command-Enter -- this doesn't seem natural to type  
Return.)

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

Barry Hadder wrote:

>
> Yuma,
>
> I don't know how new you are to voiceover and the Mac so I want to
> make sure something is clear to you.
> vo-shft-m is a voiceover key and not a Safari key and you won't find
> it in the Safari help.  You can use that anywhere to bring up a
> context menu.  There are times when it doesn't work like it should,
> but it's the first thing you want to try when you need a context
> menu.  Most of the time it works just fine.
> Good luck.
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> So shift acts a bit like a secondary command list. That's good to
>> know :)
>>
>> I have looked at a list of keyboard shortcuts, but they vary from
>> context to context, or so it tends to make me believe.
>>
>> Thanks a lot for the info though, one more for the mac
>>
>> bbest
>>
>> Yuma
>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: can't control-click on misspelled words

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

I am not at home so can't test it but there are new commands for moving to the 
next and previous misspelled word. They are vo-e and vo-shift-e

Robert Carter

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, Sep 3, 2009 10:36:37
Subject: Re: can't control-click on misspelled words

>
>
> 
> Hi Justin,
> 
> When I started using Leopard in June, I couldn't use the spell check  
> procedure I described in my last message. However, the most recent OS  
> update fixed it so I could use that procedure. Looks like Snow Leopard  
> broke it again.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
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Vo saying k l instead of @

[Tony Bernedal]

Hi all
Just upgrading to s l. I noticed that vo saying the letters k l  
instaed of at when I type the @ Maybe thats a bug in the swedish  
translation of s l but can I fix that? On the braille display the @- 
sigen is corect.
Regards
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Re: interesting bug with the save dialog

[Esther]

Hi Marie,

Yes, using the first few letters to navigate to devices in the sidebar  
works, but Simon and Krister should also be able to simply remove the  
problem entry from their sidebar by unchecking it in the Finder  
preferences for the Sidebar.

Cheers,

Esther

Marie Howarth wrote:

>
> simon,
> use letters to jump to the folders you wish in your sidebar. i.e, a
> for applications.
> hth
>
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:27 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a similar problem with Idisk but the variation is such as to
>> demand a password from me as I happen to have IDisk. Because I do not
>> wish to choose IDisk, I do not provide such a password. But then I'm
>> stuck. the dialogue returns over and over again and I'm stuck. I  
>> can't
>> go past the IDisk in the sidebar and therefore I am unable to choose
>> any other location on my computer.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Simon
>> On 3 Sep 2009, at 10:32, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3 sep 2009 kl. 06.59 skrev Justin Harford:
>>>
 Go into textedit.  Write a document.  Press cmd s to open the save
 dialog.  Then try to tab over to the place where you select the
 folder, assuming that that you have that checkbox to the right of
 the
 name field checked.  After you tab past the sidebar, voiceover
 starts
 uncontrollably stuttering,  Lol it's doing it right now, gosh
>>>
>>> I didn't see this problem when i tried this, but i have another
>>> interesting observation for ya: go into any open or save dialog, try
>>> using the side bar to select a disk. If you like me have no Mobile
>>> me,
>>> but for some reason have Idisk in your sidebar, you will find that
>>> you
>>> get a dialog that tells you that connection to the server
>>> idisk.mac.com can't be made. If you click the ok button, the same
>>> dialog will pop up again and again and if you ignore the dialog and
>>> go
>>> into the program where you opened the dialog, you will find it's  
>>> busy
>>> and won't accept any commands.
>>> The only way to get out of this infinite loop as far as i've found,
>>> is
>>> to simply force quit the program that opened the open or save  
>>> dialog.
>>> This is perfectly normal behaviour, i think, since there's no idisk
>>> because i have no mobileme, but i wonder how to get rid of the idisk
>>> in the side bar? I think i know how to do it, i just want it
>>> confirmed.:-)
>>> /Krister
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: Need Advice: OCR

[Scott Howell]

Donna, I do agree and I think purchasing software without trying it  
first can be painful and it was.  I finally got my money back from  
ABBYY's reseller, but it did take some messages and pushing to make  
them understand why I wanted my money back.  I'd have to see some  
improvements in scanner support or at least scanner support in the  
environment in which I use my scanner.  I did not find the software  
difficult to work with really at all.
Read Iris worked pretty good and I wonder if the new version will be  
more of an improvement, but well likely when it is released, you'll  
have a chance to try it first.
On Sep 3, 2009, at 8:05 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Hi Scott,
>
> ReadIris was the option that I was thinking of that involved  
> multiple apps, VueScan and ReadIris.
>
> I thought I recalled a thread on the list a few weeks back, about  
> ABBYY having some accessibility issues.  Maybe it was what you  
> describe, i.e. Problems talking to the software that comes with your  
> scanner, I don't recall. but it seemed like some people had tried  
> it, and hadn't been happy with it.  I think I have a recollection of  
> someone even writing to them about accessibility questions?  To be  
> fair, I sort of stopped my exploration there, because of the fact  
> that ABBYY won't let you buy a demo. I like my current OCR setup a  
> lot, and I definitely want to demo any replacement options before  
> purchasing.
> Take care,
> Donna
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Howell 
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 6:10 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Need Advice: OCR
>
>
> Donna, I think there are some very good options on the Mac and you
> don't need three different packages.  Everyone has their own way of
> doing things and I think ABBYY FineReader Express is a real option if
> they make some tweaks that I'd like to see and mostly working with my
> scanner, which is a network appliance.  THe software itself seem to
> work just fine.  I think where people encounter problems and I'm sure
> this affects windows users as well, is the bundled software a lot of
> scanners come with.  Seems a lot of scanners have software that talks
> directly to the twain driver or I guess pretty much must be used
> directly to perform the scan, which then the results are passed on to
> the software such as ABBYY etc.
> I know one person that uses another app I can't think of and I'm sure
> there is a reason and I think it had something to do with by-passing
> the software of the scanner.  SOme developers of scanner drivers do
> allow third-party apps to talk directly to the twain driver, but this
> is out of my area of knowledge, but I really think this is where
> people have the most difficulty.  Read Iris is another solution that
> has worked well and they are also apparently coming out with a new
> version and it will be interesting to see how that works as well.
>
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 10:08 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Terrence,
>>
>> I have been watching posts on the list re the various Mac options,
>> and I came to the conclusion that the best option for me was to keep
>> my Windows PC set up for scanning purposes.  I'd love to see a
>> really good scanning/ocr option for the Mac--one that doesn't
>> involve three different apps--but from what I can tell, it just
>> isn't there yet.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Donna
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Terrence 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:07 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Need Advice: OCR
>>
>>
>> Not sure if my other message went through, so I'm posting it again;
>> please forgive any repeats.
>> After spending $249 on Premier Assistive Technology's literacy  
>> package
>> because of the scan-and-read functionality, I have decided the  
>> thing's
>> not all it's cracked up to be, since it opened in an X11 window and
>> didn't work at all with VO.  So now I'm doing what I think I should
>> have done in the first place instead of listening to the general AT
>> specialist who spoke on the Mac at our local AT conference; I'm on my
>> knees to the true experts...fellow users.  What do you all all use  
>> for
>> OCR tochnology that *works*?  I know there's been a lot of discussion
>> about OCR experimenting lately, but I need something that's going to
>> work with a minimum of finagling so I can spend my time *READING* the
>> documents I scan rather than fighting with the software.  True I like
>> putzing, but for my day-to-day stuff I'd really prefer not to have to
>> do that more than necessary.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Terrence
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >


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Re: rss help

[Scott Howell]

I'e seen this behavior and not clear what the issue is. You might want  
to try removing that feed and resubscribing. I did this and watching  
to see if there will be any return of these messages.
On Sep 3, 2009, at 8:53 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:

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> Hey all. when i delete my news out of my rss feeds, they keep coming
> back, is there a way to make the news disappear? for instance for
> apple hot news, i delete all the news items out of there, and when i
> reload mail, they're back up.
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Another Questin regarding Mac and Jaws

[M. Taylor]

Perhaps I jumped the gun a bit last night with regard to my praise of Jaws
11 running as a virtual machine in fusion 11.

I have not installed Jaws 10.x but with Jaws 11.x beta, the CapsLock key
does not appear to engage or function as the Jaws key.  That is to say, when
I press it, nothing really happens.  If I tap it twice, it will toggle the
Capslock just as it should but only tapping it once doesn't do anything.  

So, does anyone have any suggestions?  Also, there does not seem to be an
Insert key on my MacBook Pro keyboard.  Is this correct or must I use some
fancy key combination to simulate the Insert key.  

Later tonight, I will install Jaws 10.x and see what happens.  

Thank you all n advance.

Mark




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Re: stopping audio when trying to download files

[Esther]

Hi Anna,

I've not migrated to Snow Leopard yet, but here are two thoughts: you  
might have to interact first on the page where the download started  
playing.  In Cara's original post about controlling the play of  
streaming media in Leopard (early on) at:

http://www.lioncourt.com/guides-tutorials/keyboard-control-of-streaming-content-in-safari/
(Keyboard control of streaming media in Safari)

you had to interact with the HTML area first, and even route your  
mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5 before  
commands like pressing space to play/pause took effect.

Secondly, at least under Leopard there is a VoiceOver Utility (VO-F8)  
option under the web pane to check or uncheck:

Move VoiceOver cursor to a newly loaded web page checked check box

You might need to play with a similar setting in Snow Leopard.

Cheers,

Esther

Woody Anna Dresner wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> With Leopard, if a file I wanted to download started playing, I could
> press Space to stop playback, then go to the address bar and press
> Option-Return to download the file instead. The downloading still
> works, but pressing Space doesn't stop playback. instead, it starts
> playback over at the beginning of the file. Does anyone know of a way
> to stop playback from the keyboard?
>
> Thanks,
> Anna
>
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Re: There has to be a better way

[erik burggraaf]

Garrage sale is an applet like turbo lister for bulk listing and  
managing your ebay octions.

If you google up garrage sale mac, you'll get their website, which I  
think is something like http://www.iwascoding.com where you can find  
demos and mailing list info.

Best,

erik burggraaf
A+ sertified technician and user support consultant.
Phone: 888-255-5194
Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com

On 3-Sep-09, at 3:43 AM, hank smith wrote:

>
> what is garage sale?
> can I get list sub info and more on what this list is about?
> - Original Message -
> From: "erik burggraaf" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: There has to be a better way
>
>
>>
>> Mike,  I get blind tech, gw-info, mac visionaries, garage sale, and
>> several other high trafic lists, and I never bother with filters.
>>
>> I have all my messages grouped by conversation.  When I delete a
>> thread all the messages in that thread go away.  When I open a thread
>> all of the messages come up in seperate message windows in the order
>> that they are ment to be read and I just hit close to get to the next
>> until I land back in inbox.  If I only want to read the first message
>> of a thread to see if it's of interest to me, I press right arrow on
>> the thread and that will expand it so I can get to individual
>> messages.  I will be placed on the first unread message when I do
>> this.  Usually this will be the first message of the thread.
>>
>> I can further speed along my mail deleting efforts by interacting  
>> with
>> the messages table and going over to the subject column.  Using the  
>> up
>> and down arrows I can browse through just the subjects, but if I want
>> to see who started a particular subject I just have to vo left once
>> and I'm in the from column for that message. Then I vo right and I'm
>> back in the subjects.
>>
>> It is really snappy, as long as I don't stop to post long winded
>> replies every few threads or so, grins.
>>
>> Have fun,
>>
>> erik burggraaf
>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant.
>> Phone: 888-255-5194
>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>>
>> On 2-Sep-09, at 3:39 PM, Mike wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all:
>>>
>>> I really don't want a pile of list msgs in my inbox. I've applied a
>>> rule filtering based on macvisionaries and yet still my inbox was
>>> filled.
>>> I then turned to the junkbox filter, diverting everything off this
>>> list to it. I still have to check that from time to time for other
>>> msgs and I really don't want to have to go through 40 MSGS every  
>>> time
>>> I check my mail, it's rediculis.  I guess the only real  
>>> ulternative is
>>> to unsubscribe or apply a filter to each member and I don't think  
>>> I'm
>>> doing that. LOL
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
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>
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Re: Mail messages not being read automatically

[Scott Howell]

Søren, thanks for this info. I don't generally need Mail reading  
automatically, but I do use it sometimes to get a feel for the message  
and if I just want to read it on my own, I just start with the arrow  
keys. I did follow your directions and they worked perfectly. It would  
seem that when you switch from high to medium verbosity, something  
isn't quite happening as it should. The initial setting for text area  
was default and one would assume that is the medium setting. Well hey  
it works and good job.

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Re: problems reading a document in textedit

[Barry Hadder]

I believe that I'm seeing a relationship between this and problems I'm  
having.

In Safari when group mode is on, I get continuos busy and ready  
messages when a content list has a large amount of items.  Navigation  
also slows down to a crawl.
If I open a large pdf document in preview and pdf view is set to one  
page continuous, it stays busy for a long time.  This didn't happen in  
leopard.

It seems to me that vo isn't able to handle large amounts of data as  
well.  I could be mistaken, but there seems to be a correlation.

I don't want to discourage anyone from upgrading as I've actually seen  
more problems fixed than I have found new ones.  I hope the problems  
I've mentioned get fixed soon however.  Especially my problem in  
Safari.  The preview thing is easily rectified with single page view,  
but I thing the to things along with what people are experiencing with  
textedit are related.
Also, it's worth pointing out that dom in Safari isn't nearly as  
limiting in sl and I would say that it is much more like navigating a  
page with Jaws although I still personally prefer group.
I just want to add a note about some terminology I used above in  
regards to a content list.  The new group mode nest groups now and it  
seems to me that a group containing other groups is announced as a  
content list.

On Sep 3, 2009, at 12:17 PM, John J Herzog wrote:

>
> Hi,
> I have noticed the same behavior you mentioned. It normally occurs on
> long documents, and textedit does in deed say busy after arrowing down
> each line. It's quite frustrating, but if you have Iwork, it seems to
> do a better job.
> Note: When I say long documents, I am referring to those that are
> several hundred pages or more in length.
>
>
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 9:05 AM, James & Nash wrote:
>
>>
>> Could it dpend on the length of the document? This should not be the
>> case
>> but I have known it happen in Microsoft Office
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "anouk radix" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:50 PM
>> Subject: problems reading a document in textedit
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hello everyone, i tried again today to take my macbook pro with me  
>>> to
>>> school today but it did not go as well as the first two times. I had
>>> to consult a lawbook (if htats the right word) and every time i went
>>> down a line i got messages like textedit busy or busy or textedit
>>> ready which made it nearly impossible to read through the document.
>>> This happened with down arrow but also vo-down. I am going to see
>>> if I
>>> have the spelling turned off and if changing the format will do
>>> anything. The computer shoudl not have been much taxdd, i mean it  
>>> has
>>> 3 ghz 4gig of ram and textedit was the only application running.  
>>> This
>>> was very frustrating and annoying.
>>> Greetings, Anouk,
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
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Re: interesting bug with the save dialog

[Simon Cavendish]

Dear Esther,

Thank you so much. I never thought one could do it. I am learning so  
much here on the list. Mari's suggestion would obviously work as well  
but sometimes I can't remember what's there in the sidebar.

thanks to all for their support.

Best wishes, Simon
On 3 Sep 2009, at 18:50, Esther wrote:

>
> Hello Simon and Krister,
>
> Can you remove the iDisk from the FInder sidebar by going to the
> Preferences menu for Finder (Command-Comma), and navigating to the
> Sidebar button on the toolbar, then pressing (VO-Space)?  On the
> Sidebar pane you should be able to uncheck any items you don't want
> displayed in the sidebar -- like the iDisk.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> Simon Cavendish wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a similar problem with Idisk but the variation is such as to
>> demand a password from me as I happen to have IDisk. Because I do not
>> wish to choose IDisk, I do not provide such a password. But then I'm
>> stuck. the dialogue returns over and over again and I'm stuck. I  
>> can't
>> go past the IDisk in the sidebar and therefore I am unable to choose
>> any other location on my computer.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Simon
>> On 3 Sep 2009, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3 sep 2009 kl. 06.59 skrev Justin Harford:
>>>
 Go into textedit.  Write a document.  Press cmd s to open the save
 dialog.  Then try to tab over to the place where you select the
 folder, assuming that that you have that checkbox to the right of
 the
 name field checked.  After you tab past the sidebar, voiceover
 starts
 uncontrollably stuttering,  Lol it's doing it right now, gosh
>>>
>>> I didn't see this problem when i tried this, but i have another
>>> interesting observation for ya: go into any open or save dialog, try
>>> using the side bar to select a disk. If you like me have no Mobile
>>> me,
>>> but for some reason have Idisk in your sidebar, you will find that
>>> you
>>> get a dialog that tells you that connection to the server
>>> idisk.mac.com can't be made. If you click the ok button, the same
>>> dialog will pop up again and again and if you ignore the dialog and
>>> go
>>> into the program where you opened the dialog, you will find it's  
>>> busy
>>> and won't accept any commands.
>>> The only way to get out of this infinite loop as far as i've found,
>>> is
>>> to simply force quit the program that opened the open or save  
>>> dialog.
>>> This is perfectly normal behaviour, i think, since there's no idisk
>>> because i have no mobileme, but i wonder how to get rid of the idisk
>>> in the side bar? I think i know how to do it, i just want it
>>> confirmed.:-)
>>> /Krister
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
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Mail not Reading Automatically - Oh Rats

[Scott Howell]

Søren, thanks for the great idea and it did work, but briefly for me.  
Damned if I didn't switch away from Mail and come back to find that it  
was no longer working. Oh well, how lovely. :)
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Re: Voiceover and the spell checker

[Krister Ekstrom]

I haven't seen spell checker in use, but based on the description, i'd  
thought it was really nice.
/Krister

3 sep 2009 kl. 17.54 skrev Marie Howarth:

>
> I think it is an audio cue. especially the indentations and is also a
> clue to tell you of a mispelled word.
>
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:32 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote:
>
>> Confirmed.
>>
>>> From: s...@coolfortheblind.dk
>>> Subject: Voiceover and the spell checker
>>> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:19:50 +0200
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> When Voiceover reads a misspelled word, it makes a small break
>> before
>>> it continue the reading. It also does that when I set the "in-
>>> countering a misspelled word" to "do nothing" in the Voiceover
>>> settings. It's very annoying. Has anyone found this issue as well?
>>>
>>> Best regards Søren.
>>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: Mail not Reading Automatically - Oh Rats

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Unfortunately, Soren's method didn't work for me either. Mail is once  
again not reading correctly. I'll restart later and see if that makes  
any difference.

Best,
Anna

On Sep 3, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

>
> Søren, thanks for the great idea and it did work, but briefly for me.
> Damned if I didn't switch away from Mail and come back to find that it
> was no longer working. Oh well, how lovely. :)
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