thanks

[Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Thanks fo Amos, Baruch and Tzafrir for their answers. I shall try their
ideas at home, where, besides more time, I have and installation of
mixed debian (testing and unstable) dedicated to learning the system. In
this way I can try "in my free time" new, sometimes  not fully understood
ideas, without spoiling the instalation I use for applications. When I
feel confident I understand what I am doing, I use them there as well.
Which brings me to two questions:
1-Downloading automately all the new stuff requires a pretty large /var
directory. It's on a separate partition, in my system. How large should
that be?
2-When running ahead with upgrades, it happens from time to time that the
new version misbehaves and you wish to return to the previous one. Cna you
recommend a convenient way to find out what has changed in order to be
able to revert it. For the moment I use the tee command to save all
information from install in files, but it's rather unpractical.
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Re: Governments spending on IT

[Eli Marmor]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> According to the Walla article at:
> http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/3/538997
> 
> The government has agreed on spending 470 Million NIS on projects
> "Merkava" and "Memshal Zamin".
> 
> With all the talks about OpenOffice, MS licenses vs. Linux etc. - does
> anyone
> here have thoughs on the effect of such spending on the ISraeli OpenSource
> industry?
> 
> I understand that most of the badget will go to places like IBM or
> Matrix, but still
> it should create demand for OpenSource skills in many tiers around it,
> shouldn't it?

First of all, in the same day, a budget bigger in 4200% than this, was
approved for the railway (Rakevet, not Merkava), so this budget is not
so big as it looks.

Now, please don't confuse between Merkava and Open-Source: Merkava is a
huge ERP project, done in SAP. That money goes to licenses of SAP, to a
lot of work done by SAP programmers, and to deployment (a major part of
the costs).

I wish this money would go to Open-Source, but Merkava is a very
specific project that has nothing to do with Open-Source.

Now one may ask: "Well, so why don't them give this money to developing
Open-Source projects rather than to ERP?

The answer is simple: ROI. The government is a public organization, and
can't give money freely, but only when it is clear that this money is
crucial (e.g. medicines), or legally needed (e.g. payoff of American
loans), or when there is a clear ROI.

Ministry of Finance claims that ERP will save billions, so (at least
according to this claim) there is a clear ROI by spending 470M NIS.

There is also a clear ROI in developing Open-Source; For example, the
government spends $5M for Office, so *if* OpenOffice can replace ALL
of the current assets, there will be a nice ROI. But not when the cost
is 470M, of course...  And nobody promised you that ALL of the current
assets will be replaced...

Giving big money to Open-Source development (let's say $10M) may be
followed even by sues, because the government is a public organization
financed by our taxes.

So the government did exactly what any of us would do, and budgeted it
by a small money.

And again - don't confuse ERP with OpenOffice.

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Re: Governments spending on IT

[Uri Sharf]

It seems some parts of the project will be given to Kav Marachot, which though 
not "Open Source", deploys it's servers (and now it's Java Clients as well it 
seems) on Linux from what I've been told. 

Some security-aware users of Merkava (Ministry of Defenses and Ministry of 
Foreign Affairs) did no want to share sensitive information with the main 
system. Would be interesting to find out how big is Kav's share really is.

Uri
Linmagazine

On 05/05/04 08:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> According to the Walla article at:
> http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/3/538997
>
> The government has agreed on spending 470 Million NIS on projects
> "Merkava" and "Memshal Zamin".
>
> With all the talks about OpenOffice, MS licenses vs. Linux etc. - does
> anyone
> here have thoughs on the effect of such spending on the ISraeli OpenSource
> industry?
>
> I understand that most of the badget will go to places like IBM or
> Matrix, but still
> it should create demand for OpenSource skills in many tiers around it,
> shouldn't it?
>
> --Amos
>
>
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KMail and IMAP (IDLE?)

[Uri Sharf]

I'm not sure if my problems with KMail has anything to do with IMAP's IDLE 
(was it introduced into 1.6.2?), but after I've last upgraded from Debian 
Unstable it regularly disconnects from the server and it wan't sync anymore 
unless I kill it (just exiting does not work it seem). Anyone experiences the 
same?

Regrads,

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Re: console fonts help

[Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

As far as I recall consolechars -f expects a complete file name (though
maybe not the full path)
Good luck, Avraham
On Sun, 2 May 2004, Aaron wrote:

> Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 23:25:55 +0300
> From: Aaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Linux IL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: console fonts help
>
> Hi all I am trying to add console font to my two debian based distros
> mepis and xandros.
>
> I try
>
> # consolechars -f iso08.f16 -m iso08
>
> and I get:
>
> set_kernel_font: Invalid argument
>
> What is going on?
> Thanks
> Aaron
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RE: Governments spending on IT

[Tzahi Fadida]

I have to disagree on that. The size of the project and ROI have
nothing to do with open source. For example, the govrenment could
have required for the bid that the resulting software should be
made available to the govrenment or/and to the public.
especially when paying 470m$ I would have requested the source,
not to go over the cobol fiasco and b2k.
I was told the army does that with some of his outsourced projects.

Regards,
tzahi.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Eli Marmor
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Governments spending on IT


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> According to the Walla article at: 
> http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/3/538997
> 
> The government has agreed on spending 470 Million NIS on projects 
> "Merkava" and "Memshal Zamin".
> 
> With all the talks about OpenOffice, MS licenses vs. Linux etc. - does 
> anyone here have thoughs on the effect of such spending on the ISraeli 
> OpenSource industry?
> 
> I understand that most of the badget will go to places like IBM or 
> Matrix, but still it should create demand for OpenSource skills in 
> many tiers around it, shouldn't it?

First of all, in the same day, a budget bigger in 4200% than this, was
approved for the railway (Rakevet, not Merkava), so this budget is not so
big as it looks.

Now, please don't confuse between Merkava and Open-Source: Merkava is a huge
ERP project, done in SAP. That money goes to licenses of SAP, to a lot of
work done by SAP programmers, and to deployment (a major part of the costs).

I wish this money would go to Open-Source, but Merkava is a very specific
project that has nothing to do with Open-Source.

Now one may ask: "Well, so why don't them give this money to developing
Open-Source projects rather than to ERP?

The answer is simple: ROI. The government is a public organization, and
can't give money freely, but only when it is clear that this money is
crucial (e.g. medicines), or legally needed (e.g. payoff of American loans),
or when there is a clear ROI.

Ministry of Finance claims that ERP will save billions, so (at least
according to this claim) there is a clear ROI by spending 470M NIS.

There is also a clear ROI in developing Open-Source; For example, the
government spends $5M for Office, so *if* OpenOffice can replace ALL of the
current assets, there will be a nice ROI. But not when the cost is 470M, of
course...  And nobody promised you that ALL of the current assets will be
replaced...

Giving big money to Open-Source development (let's say $10M) may be followed
even by sues, because the government is a public organization financed by
our taxes.

So the government did exactly what any of us would do, and budgeted it by a
small money.

And again - don't confuse ERP with OpenOffice.

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Re: KMail and IMAP (IDLE?)

[linux-il]

Uri Sharf wrote:
I'm not sure if my problems with KMail has anything to do with IMAP's IDLE 
(was it introduced into 1.6.2?), but after I've last upgraded from Debian 
Unstable it regularly disconnects from the server and it wan't sync anymore 
unless I kill it (just exiting does not work it seem). Anyone experiences the 
same?

Regrads,
 

Which IMAP server are you using?
I use Courier IMAP and used to have strange annoyances accessing it from
Mozilla Thunderbird (on both Windows and Linux) until someone told me to
limit the number of concurrent connection in the cache to 3 or so.
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Re: KMail and IMAP (IDLE?)

[Uri Sharf]

I used to run it (earlier versions)  of my local IMAP server with no problems, 
but in this particular case it's  at my Hosting service. I'm trying to get 
this info and traces if possible so I can open a bug with KMail.

Checked KMail but it doesn't have any thing confgiurable (in the GUI) to 
restrict connection. I'll have to look around. Thanks for the tip.

Uri
On 05/05/04 10:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Uri Sharf wrote:
> >I'm not sure if my problems with KMail has anything to do with IMAP's IDLE
> >(was it introduced into 1.6.2?), but after I've last upgraded from Debian
> >Unstable it regularly disconnects from the server and it wan't sync
> > anymore unless I kill it (just exiting does not work it seem). Anyone
> > experiences the same?
> >
> >Regrads,
>
> Which IMAP server are you using?
> I use Courier IMAP and used to have strange annoyances accessing it from
> Mozilla Thunderbird (on both Windows and Linux) until someone told me to
> limit the number of concurrent connection in the cache to 3 or so.
>
> --Amos
>
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Re: Bandwidth consumption limit/measure

[linux-il]

I was looking at QoS for Linux in another context and was wondering if 
you could
help me.

I'm interested in QoS per-service rather than per-interface. For instance:
1. ssh output (what's printed on screen when I login from a remote host to
my home machine) should get priority over, let's say, over SMTP or actually
any other active protocol.
2. Incoming HTTP should get higher precedence over incoming POP
(e.g. when I browse from the desktop at home I don't care if fetchmail
will wait a little longer to check mail on Actcom's mail server).
Is this doable with free Linux tools?
Cheers,
--Amos
Josh Zlatin-Amishav wrote:
On Tue, 4 May 2004, Noam Rathaus wrote:
 

On Tuesday 04 May 2004 09:41, you wrote:
   

On Mon, 3 May 2004, Tal Achituv wrote:
 

Hi!
Is there any way to measure and or limit the monthly bandwidth on a box?
   

Hi Tal,
To measure the bandwidth I use ntop and to limit bandwidth I use tc with
the HTB. Note you can also prioritize both your egress and ingress traffic
too.
 

Thanks,
Tal.
   

Hi,
Could you elaborate a bit more how you integrated ntop, tc and HTB?
   

Hi Noam,
There are two seperate projects here. The first is ntop. It is very easy
to install on Debian, I haven't had experience installing ntop on other
platforms. I setup ntop on a bridge between my router and firewall. You
can configure ntop to log to an RRD database, thus you do not have to
worry about data reduction. You can find out more here:
http://www.ntop.org/ntop.html
Bandwidth Limitation:
You need the iproute package. I wrote a bash script using HTB to handle the QoS on my
entire Internet connection. If you just want to limit the bandwidth on one box I would 
use the TBF
(Token Bucket Filter) instead of HTB (Hierarchical Token Bucket).
From the Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic HOWTO:
The "Token bucket filter is a simple qdisc that passes packets arriving at a
rate that does not exceed the set rate, but allows short bursts that exceed the
set rate ...  The TBF consists of a buffer or bucket that is constantly filled by
some virtual peices of information called tokens, at a specified rate (token
rate). The most important parameter of the bucket is its size, that is the
number of tokens it can store."
The following was tested on Debian unstable with kernel 2.6.3-1-386
To implement QoS on one box type:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# tc qdisc add dev eth1 root tbf rate 300kbit latency 25ms 
burst 1600
The following is an explantion of the above command:
tc: Traffic control
qdisc add dev eth1 root tbf:Change the queueing algorithm that manages
   the eth1 device from the default (pfifo_fast)
   to TBF (token bucket filter)
rate 300kbit:   The rate which outgoing packets will be sent
latency 25ms:   The maximum amount of time a packet can sit in the TBF
burst 1600: The size of the bucket bucket in bytes.
To view qdisc statistics type:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]#  tc -s qdisc list dev eth1
To remove QoS on one box type:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# tc qdisc del dev eth1 root tbf rate 300kbit latency 25ms 
burst 1600
For more information read the Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO:
http://lartc.org/howto/
 


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Re: Bandwidth consumption limit/measure

[Josh Zlatin-Amishav]

On Wed, 5 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I was looking at QoS for Linux in another context and was wondering if
> you could
> help me.
>
> I'm interested in QoS per-service rather than per-interface. For instance:
>
> 1. ssh output (what's printed on screen when I login from a remote host to
> my home machine) should get priority over, let's say, over SMTP or actually
> any other active protocol.
> 2. Incoming HTTP should get higher precedence over incoming POP
> (e.g. when I browse from the desktop at home I don't care if fetchmail
> will wait a little longer to check mail on Actcom's mail server).
>
> Is this doable with free Linux tools?

Hi,
Yes. I implemented per service QoS using the HTB queueing discipline.
Like I said before read the Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO for more
information and examples.

If your lazy their are several projects on freshmeat.net that might
interest you:
http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=QoS§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0

Note: I have not tried any of them so YMMV.

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Re: Bandwidth consumption limit/measure

[linux-il]

Josh Zlatin-Amishav wrote:
Hi,
Yes. I implemented per service QoS using the HTB queueing discipline.
 

OK thanks.
Like I said before read the Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO for more
information and examples.
 

I did but got the impression that it supports, for instance:
"on A 1.5Mb per second ADSL downstream speed, don't let SMTP use more 
than 0.5Mb per
second".
But I'd like SMTP to be allowed to use all the bandwidth if there is no 
SSH traffic
at the time.
Is this "dynamic allowance" possible?

If your lazy their are several projects on freshmeat.net that might
interest you:
http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=QoS§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0
 

OK, will look at them too.
Cheers,
--Amos

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Re: Bandwidth consumption limit/measure

[moish]

I started to use IPCOP which address such issues (although by protocol/port
pairs) and more.
is anyone on this list using IPCOP?

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Bandwidth consumption limit/measure


> Josh Zlatin-Amishav wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >Yes. I implemented per service QoS using the HTB queueing discipline.
> >
> >
> OK thanks.
>
> >Like I said before read the Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control
HOWTO for more
> >information and examples.
> >
> >
> I did but got the impression that it supports, for instance:
> "on A 1.5Mb per second ADSL downstream speed, don't let SMTP use more
> than 0.5Mb per
> second".
> But I'd like SMTP to be allowed to use all the bandwidth if there is no
> SSH traffic
> at the time.
> Is this "dynamic allowance" possible?
>
> >If your lazy their are several projects on freshmeat.net that might
> >interest you:
> >http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=QoS§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0
> >
> >
> >
> OK, will look at them too.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --Amos
>
>
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DHCP question

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

Hi,
I don't know if people have seen this case, but here goes..
I have 1 Active Directory server (testing) which is also serves as a DNS 
and DHCP server, and 2 linux clients.

The linux clients are getting IP's without any problem at all from the 
Windows server, but after a day or 2, you cannot ping the other linux 
machines from one linux to another linux, you'll have to restart dhclient...

Any suggestions? I tried to exapand the TTL in the DNS server. That 
didn't help much. The other windows clients have no problems ping each 
other (windows to windows), and this happends only on Linux...

Thanks,
Hetz
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Re: Bandwidth consumption limit/measure

[Josh Zlatin-Amishav]

On Wed, 5 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Josh Zlatin-Amishav wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >Yes. I implemented per service QoS using the HTB queueing discipline.
> >
> >
> OK thanks.
>
> >Like I said before read the Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO for more
> >information and examples.
> >
> >
> I did but got the impression that it supports, for instance:

Hi Amos,
When you say "it" which queueing discipline are you referring to?

While using the HTB queueing discipline all children classes under the
same root class can borrow from each other. Please read:
http://luxik.cdi.cz/~devik/qos/htb/manual/userg.htm


> "on A 1.5Mb per second ADSL downstream speed, don't let SMTP use more
> than 0.5Mb per
> second".
> But I'd like SMTP to be allowed to use all the bandwidth if there is no
> SSH traffic
> at the time.
> Is this "dynamic allowance" possible?
>

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getting there?!

[Aaron]

Hi 

I just signed up with Actcom for a fixed IP address and cable account.

Now I am getting closer to hosting my site on my box.

But am I?

Some questions:

How do I transfer the dns which is on my present remote server to my
fixed ip address?

Is there some howto that in simple language tells me what I need to get
myself up and running.

How do I test if my hardware is up to the task. I notice that when
running apt-get my system gets very slow, and this holds true for other
web application such as amule.


Will my current distribution be good enough for this? (Xandros)

And I am sure I will have many many more questions.

But thanks to the list for your help and encouragement so far.

I am sorry for the broken threads I will try to be a good boy from now
on.
(At least from my new email account)

Thanks
Aaron

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Re: ntpd and synchronizing non-gmt clocks

[Ira Abramov]

Quoting Dan Fruehauf, from the post of Mon, 03 May:
> I've been googling for a while and couldnt find it, so here i am.  for
> some reasons i prefer not to go into, i have to synchronize clocks
> between machines where one machine has it's clock on GMT and the other
> doesnt (it's clock is GMT + x hours forward / backward).  my question
> is, is it possible to configure ntpd (or any other ntp client) to
> fetch the time from some distant ntp server and to apply an offset
> (like -1 hour, -2 hours, or something similar) on the time it recieves

Let me guess. you have a site with windows machines, company policy was
oddly to stay at wintertime instead of fixing the time zone, and you are
left with having to set your linux machine to GMT+2 to conform. have I
got it right?

I have the same problem here. the only machine in this entire company
running Linux (and thus has correct TZ files) is my laptop. all the
machines should be synched to the exchange server hich unsurprisingly is
NOT in synch with global NTP. I can't set the time on this machine and
conform with my home network and the work network at the same time, but
none of the people I'll talk to here understands what I'm talking about.
very frustrating! I have a dual-booting linux laptop and thus I am
forced to set my linux to GMT+2.

and Microsoft's answer? they will not fix the timezone files, but
outlook will start recording time via MAPI with timezone NAME (i.e.
Asia/Jerusalem) rather than in GMT and so circumvent the OS's
shortcomings, and meetings will finally be correct across timezones.

Sick.

and twisted.

It's the Bill Gates show.

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Re: DHCP question

[Yedidyah Bar-David]

On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 02:14:51PM +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I don't know if people have seen this case, but here goes..
> 
> I have 1 Active Directory server (testing) which is also serves as a DNS 
> and DHCP server, and 2 linux clients.
> 
> The linux clients are getting IP's without any problem at all from the 
> Windows server, but after a day or 2, you cannot ping the other linux 
> machines from one linux to another linux, you'll have to restart dhclient...

What is the length of the leases? Can you try to make it very short
(say, 2 minutes) and see if dhclient tries to renew? Maybe it can't,
but you see it only after it expires.
-- 
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Re: Games for Linux

[Oded Arbel]

בTuesday 04 May 2004 18:34, נכתב על ידי Jonathan Ben Avraham:
> Hi Linux-IL,
> Are the Linux versions of SimCity 3000 and Quest from Loki z"l comparable
> in quality to the MS Windows versions? Where is a good place to buy Linux
> games?

I purchased Heroes of Might and Magic 3 for Linux (its a Loki game, but its 
available over the place, but if you want it then shop around - I payed 
something like $6 a copy). and it works very well on my very up-to-date 
Mandrake. I haven't had more the cursory experience with the windows version, 
but except the full screen mode which sucks a bit on linux (but I don't use 
it anyway) and the need to have sound piped through esd, it looks the same to 
me.

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Re: Governments spending on IT

[Eli Marmor]

Tzahi Fadida wrote:

> I have to disagree on that. The size of the project and ROI have
> ...

You either didn't read my e-mail, or didn't understand it.

The original poster wrote (well, not exactly in these words...):

"Hey, they budgeted 470M NIS for Merkava, let's use it for Open-
Source!"

So I answered that this money was already budgeted for licenses of SAP
and work around SAP and deployment etc.

So you wrote "I have to disagree on that".

???!

Open the budget books, and see for yourself that I'm right.

And if your disagreement is with the original decision, what do you
want of me?  Your opponent is the Ministry of Finance, not me. I only
described that this money is already budgeted for very specific things
that the Government already obligated for them and that they can't be
used for Open-Source and that I wish it would be budgeted for Open-
Source but that unfortunately is not the case..

So we almost agree on anything, don't we?

Well, actually there are many things that I still must disagree; For 
example:

> especially when paying 470m$ I would have requested the source

$470M?!  It's 357% more than the original, how did it inflated so much?

or:

> nothing to do with open source. For example, the govrenment could
> have required for the bid that the resulting software should be
> made available to the govrenment or/and to the public.

Isn't it exactly what they do?
Even Microsoft gave them the full source code of all its products...

But except for these and other mistakes, we agree on anything else  :-)

And if you REALLY want to help, then instead of inventing arguments and
disagreements between us, please check the following rumor and try to
speak with somebody:

According to the rumor, most of the SAP servers are going to run under
Win2000 Servers (or 2003).

Maybe it's a false rumor.
And even if it's true, maybe there is a good reason.
Maybe one of the purchased modules hasn't been ported to Linux yet.

But IF the rumor is true, and IF there is no reason to run it under a
non-Linux platform, then focus your efforts in this direction; I, for
myself, am going to do it in the first opportunity.

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Re: getting there?!

[Micha Feigin]

On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 02:33:33PM +0300, Aaron wrote:
> Hi 
> 
> I just signed up with Actcom for a fixed IP address and cable account.
> 
> Now I am getting closer to hosting my site on my box.
> 
> But am I?
> 
> Some questions:
> 
> How do I transfer the dns which is on my present remote server to my
> fixed ip address?
> 

Afraid I don't really understand what you mean here.

> Is there some howto that in simple language tells me what I need to get
> myself up and running.
> 

Don't know of one, to host http the most common package AFAIK is apache
although there are some lighter things. There is documentation for it
an probably a whole lot of howtos.

You should also probably setup a firewall. I like shorewall but there
are a bunch of other solutions.

What services other then http do you want to support?

> How do I test if my hardware is up to the task. I notice that when
> running apt-get my system gets very slow, and this holds true for other
> web application such as amule.
> 

This is probably a question of bandwidth. Doesn't it get slow in the
download stage or the install stage. During the install stage there is
very heavy disk activity which keeps my computer straggling if I try to
do to many other things.

It may help limiting the number of simultaneous connections if you want to
keep the bandwidth low.

If all those "smart" adsl modems can run a http server so can your
computer (although that is not completely correct since they usually run
variants of tiny httpd or custom small http daemons).

> 
> Will my current distribution be good enough for this? (Xandros)
> 

Probably.

> And I am sure I will have many many more questions.
> 
> But thanks to the list for your help and encouragement so far.
> 
> I am sorry for the broken threads I will try to be a good boy from now
> on.
> (At least from my new email account)
> 
> Thanks
> Aaron
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RE: Governments spending on IT

[Tzahi Fadida]

well, if that's what you mean I don't disagree with that :)
anyway, what microsoft did is a step in the right direction
 (some may not agree) though I can tell you that its 
different then getting the source of your ERP software.
The goal of the govrenment in that case should be
"if the corporation fails, atleast we still have the code
for the future". of course it would have been better
to the country if all that resources also benefited
the software infrastructure of the country, which
happens when you use open source code.

As for sap, when I was in the army the servers were on unix
so I don't see why they should be mandatorily on win~NT.
no windows technology necessarily involved, only tcp/ip
for the clients can be used, and also the printing services
are tcp/ip based.

Regards,
tzahi.

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Subject: Re: Governments spending on IT


Tzahi Fadida wrote:

> I have to disagree on that. The size of the project and ROI have ...

You either didn't read my e-mail, or didn't understand it.

The original poster wrote (well, not exactly in these words...):

"Hey, they budgeted 470M NIS for Merkava, let's use it for Open- Source!"

So I answered that this money was already budgeted for licenses of SAP and
work around SAP and deployment etc.

So you wrote "I have to disagree on that".

???!

Open the budget books, and see for yourself that I'm right.

And if your disagreement is with the original decision, what do you want of
me?  Your opponent is the Ministry of Finance, not me. I only described that
this money is already budgeted for very specific things that the Government
already obligated for them and that they can't be used for Open-Source and
that I wish it would be budgeted for Open- Source but that unfortunately is
not the case..

So we almost agree on anything, don't we?

Well, actually there are many things that I still must disagree; For 
example:

> especially when paying 470m$ I would have requested the source

$470M?!  It's 357% more than the original, how did it inflated so much?

or:

> nothing to do with open source. For example, the govrenment could have 
> required for the bid that the resulting software should be made 
> available to the govrenment or/and to the public.

Isn't it exactly what they do?
Even Microsoft gave them the full source code of all its products...

But except for these and other mistakes, we agree on anything else  :-)

And if you REALLY want to help, then instead of inventing arguments and
disagreements between us, please check the following rumor and try to speak
with somebody:

According to the rumor, most of the SAP servers are going to run under
Win2000 Servers (or 2003).

Maybe it's a false rumor.
And even if it's true, maybe there is a good reason.
Maybe one of the purchased modules hasn't been ported to Linux yet.

But IF the rumor is true, and IF there is no reason to run it under a
non-Linux platform, then focus your efforts in this direction; I, for
myself, am going to do it in the first opportunity.

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Re: KMail and IMAP (IDLE?)

[Oded Arbel]

בWednesday 05 May 2004 13:46, נכתב על ידי Uri Sharf:
> I used to run it (earlier versions)  of my local IMAP server with no
> problems, but in this particular case it's  at my Hosting service. I'm
> trying to get this info and traces if possible so I can open a bug with
> KMail.
>
> Checked KMail but it doesn't have any thing confgiurable (in the GUI) to
> restrict connection. I'll have to look around. Thanks for the tip.

Kmail doesn't have number of connections configuration as it only uses one 
connection to each server.

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whichpkg command of wajig

[Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi,
Since I connected my home computer to ADSL, I am experimenting with
various options of upgrading specific packages using apt-get and family.
One of the most useful features of the wajig program is whichpkg which is
supposed to provide one information about the name of the program that
contain a certain file.
Trouble is that its behaviour is pretty eratic: In the beginning it only
reported only packages which were installed. After an upgrade (of mozilla,
not of wajig itself) it suddenly started to look in the depositories
listed in my sources file as well. Now, after adding  some new packages it
reverted to its initial bad habits. Following the advice of Graham
Williams, I tried to use the -t option to get some debugging information,
but it did not help.
Now, wajig is supposed to be only an envelope for other programs. Does
anyone know which other program has the whichpkgj option's functionality?
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Re: Governments spending on IT

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 03:13:53PM +0300, Eli Marmor wrote:
> Tzahi Fadida wrote:
>
> > nothing to do with open source. For example, the govrenment could
> > have required for the bid that the resulting software should be
> > made available to the govrenment or/and to the public.
> 
> Isn't it exactly what they do?
> Even Microsoft gave them the full source code of all its products...

What's exactly the point of having the source if you can't use it?

If SAP/MS goes down or discontinues the product, can the source code be
used for further maintinance?

Did anybody bother test that it can actually build and work?

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Re: whichpkg command of wajig

[linux-il]

Well - your message just cought me after a session of apt-file/apt-cache 
to find if
Debian has a package for Mono's VB compiler mbas and which package it is 
:-).
So I think this is the answer to your questions - apt-file and apt-cache.

I have an "apt-file update" and "apt-get --quite update" in my daily 
crontab to keep
things up to date.

(I also run "apt-get --quite --yes --download-only upgrade" in the same 
cron script
so the only times I wait on aptitude to download packages are when I 
select new
packages to install (as opposed to upgrading existing packages)).

HTH,
--Amos
Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Since I connected my home computer to ADSL, I am experimenting with
various options of upgrading specific packages using apt-get and family.
One of the most useful features of the wajig program is whichpkg which is
supposed to provide one information about the name of the program that
contain a certain file.
Trouble is that its behaviour is pretty eratic: In the beginning it only
reported only packages which were installed. After an upgrade (of mozilla,
not of wajig itself) it suddenly started to look in the depositories
listed in my sources file as well. Now, after adding  some new packages it
reverted to its initial bad habits. Following the advice of Graham
Williams, I tried to use the -t option to get some debugging information,
but it did not help.
Now, wajig is supposed to be only an envelope for other programs. Does
anyone know which other program has the whichpkgj option's functionality?
Thanks, Avraham
 


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Re: whichpkg command of wajig

[Baruch Even]

* Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040505 18:19]:
> Since I connected my home computer to ADSL, I am experimenting with
> various options of upgrading specific packages using apt-get and family.
> One of the most useful features of the wajig program is whichpkg which is
> supposed to provide one information about the name of the program that
> contain a certain file.
[...]
> Now, wajig is supposed to be only an envelope for other programs. Does
> anyone know which other program has the whichpkgj option's functionality?
> Thanks, Avraham

dpkg -S file
or:
apt-file

Baruch

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Re: Governments spending on IT

[Oron Peled]

On Wednesday 05 May 2004 18:16, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> Did anybody bother test that it can actually build and work?

At least with MS "Shared-Source" you don't get the build infrastructure
to do it and it is *forbidden* to compile a working version, so you
cannot and should not test if the sources you got has any
connection with reality...

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Re: whichpkg command of wajig

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 06:31:26PM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have an "apt-file update" and "apt-get --quite update" in my daily 
> crontab to keep things up to date.
> 
> (I also run "apt-get --quite --yes --download-only upgrade" in the same 
> cron script so the only times I wait on aptitude to download packages 
> are when I select new packages to install (as opposed to upgrading 
> existing packages)).

Or, laternatively, apt-get install cron-apt
(by default it will update and download packages but not install them.
Its operations are fully customized)

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Re: getting there?!

[Aaron]

Thanks for the answer.

What I mean is that my site www.blank.com is on remote server X. Now I
want to host www.blank.com on my computer with a static ip address.

I need a way of telling those coming to www.blank.com residing on the
remote server to be redirected to my computers ip address.

Is this something I can do myself for must I pay to have this done?

Thanks
Aaron 
> > 
> > How do I transfer the dns which is on my present remote server to my
> > fixed ip address?
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Re: Governments spending on IT

[Eli Marmor]

Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> 
> On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 03:13:53PM +0300, Eli Marmor wrote:
> > Tzahi Fadida wrote:
> >
> > > nothing to do with open source. For example, the govrenment could
> > > have required for the bid that the resulting software should be
> > > made available to the govrenment or/and to the public.
> >
> > Isn't it exactly what they do?
> > Even Microsoft gave them the full source code of all its products...
> 
> What's exactly the point of having the source if you can't use it?
> 
> If SAP/MS goes down or discontinues the product, can the source code be
> used for further maintinance?

Again, it was not my point.

The original poster wrote (well, not exactly in these words...):

"Hey, they budgeted 470M NIS for Merkava, let's use it for Open-
Source!"

So I answered that this money was already budgeted for licenses of SAP
and work around SAP and deployment etc.

So Tzachi wrote "I have to disagree on that".

???!

Open the budget books, and see for yourself that I'm right.

And then I wrote that we agree on almost anything.

But I can't agree when there are some mistakes, so I had to note (ONLY
AS A SIDE NOTE!) that this and that are mistakes (e.g. the budget is
not $470M but $470 NIS).

The point is that these 470M NIS are budgeted for very specific things
that have nothing to do with Open-Source (maybe except for the platform
used to run the servers. Which is probably 0.02%-0.04% of the whole
budget).

The Government already obligated to SAP and to companies with knowledge
of SAP programming. And in any case, a major part of the money is not
for software development, but for issues like typists, accountants (to
build the accounting modules), training, etc.

You may agree with the logic of that, you may disagree, but you can't
disagree that this is the fact; just open the budget books and see it
for yourself.

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Re: getting there?!

[linux-il]

Well, it's a matter of DNS administration.
If "blank.com" is not registered on your name then you'll have to ask 
the admin of
blank.com domain to update the A record of www.blank.com to your new IP 
address.
If "blank.com" is your domain and you want to move it entirely to a new 
IP address,
including its primary DNS server, then you'll have to ask the admins of 
the parent
domain (.com in this case) to update the SOA and NS records of blank.com.

You can also leave www.blank.com in place and put there an HTTP redirect 
to the
new page, but that would slow down the first access and show peopel a 
different URL
than the one they asked.

--Amos
Aaron wrote:
Thanks for the answer.
What I mean is that my site www.blank.com is on remote server X. Now I
want to host www.blank.com on my computer with a static ip address.
I need a way of telling those coming to www.blank.com residing on the
remote server to be redirected to my computers ip address.
Is this something I can do myself for must I pay to have this done?
Thanks
Aaron 
 

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Re: getting there?!

[Oded Arbel]

בWednesday 05 May 2004 19:56, נכתב על ידי Aaron:
> Thanks for the answer.
>
> What I mean is that my site www.blank.com is on remote server X. Now I
> want to host www.blank.com on my computer with a static ip address.
>
> I need a way of telling those coming to www.blank.com residing on the
> remote server to be redirected to my computers ip address.
>
> Is this something I can do myself for must I pay to have this done?

who's your DNS provider, what prevents you from calling them up and telling 
them to change the IP for www.blank.com to your home server ?

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[JOB OFFER]: OT: System administrator

[roger]

Hello People,
We're looking for a Linux system guy, a person who is able to compile 
the kernel, knows its features by heart,
fluent in networking, mostly ethernet,  routing, QoS, iptables able to 
debug the problems in the common network protocols by using tcpdump (and 
not by watching the traffic scroll by but look at the protocol itself) 
are the must keywords.

We run Debian only and are not looking to change distro, apache, php, 
postfix mysql and postgres.   So knowing most if not all packages and 
their configuration is a big plus.   We run a similar configuration on 
various remote machines that need to be maintained, ability to tune 
Apache and the rest of the services for load is a plus.

Excellent shell scripting skills a must.   C is appreciated,  PHP skills 
are a big plus.Security oriented is important (The type that uses 
ssh non password authentication with keys stored on his encrypted 
homedir/disk would be nice).

As with any job opening,  we are looking for a self and quick learner, 
ORGANIZED that can complete a task from beginning to end yet still 
motivated to work and learn a thing or two.

People willing to travel to the area of Azrieli in Tel-Aviv are welcome 
to apply,  age or sex does not matter,  just skills.

Please forgive the long an unorthodox post but I needed to make some 
points clear since we have been asking for a Linux guru yet receving a 
bunch of resumes of people who are totally Windozers.

Looking forward to meeting you.
p.s.
a.  Please respond to "roger at trafficsales.com" rather than the 
address from which I have send this email.
b.  People running Windoze on their personal computers need not apply,  
Come prepared. :)

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Re: KMail and IMAP (IDLE?)

[Uri Sharf]

Oded Arbel wrote:
בWednesday 05 May 2004 13:46, נכתב על ידי Uri Sharf:
 

I used to run it (earlier versions)  of my local IMAP server with no
problems, but in this particular case it's  at my Hosting service. I'm
trying to get this info and traces if possible so I can open a bug with
KMail.
Checked KMail but it doesn't have any thing confgiurable (in the GUI) to
restrict connection. I'll have to look around. Thanks for the tip.
   

Kmail doesn't have number of connections configuration as it only uses one 
connection to each server.

 

Yes. It seems. I'm workign concurently with Thunderbird w/o any 
problems, so guess it's Kmail's problem. The server I'm connecting to is 
courier btw, just confirmed.

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OpenSource bug reporting tools

[Tal Achituv]

Hi!

can anyone recommend a good bug report tool (web based), other than bugzilla and 
phpBugTracker?

Thanks,
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Re: ntpd and synchronizing non-gmt clocks

[Ehud Karni]

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On Wed, 5 May 2004 14:39:11 +0300, Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:39:11 +0300
>
> Let me guess. you have a site with windows machines, company policy was
> oddly to stay at wintertime instead of fixing the time zone, and you are
> left with having to set your linux machine to GMT+2 to conform. have I
> got it right?

I don't think this is the problem. He asked for "ntp" synchronization,
so he does not synchronize against the Windoze machine.

For this (your) problem, which is a local network synchronization, I
suggest to use `clockdiff' (you must be root to run it). Together with
the `adjtime(2)' system call you can keep the clock synchronized (like
using `ntpdate'). For some reason I can't find the adjtime man page on
my linux machine, but it is installed. You can find the man page here:
http://www.linuxbase.org/spec/refspecs/LSB_1.2.0/gLSB/baselib-adjtime-2.html

You can also use adjtimex(2), which is Linux only and already has a
program, adjtimex(8), that implement it. If you use adjtimex(8) you can
write a small script that will get the time difference (in milliseconds)
by clockdiff, subtract/add the hours difference, and uses adjtimex to
slew the system clock.

Ehud.


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Re: OpenSource bug reporting tools

[Gabor Szabo]

Hi Tal,

> can anyone recommend a good bug report tool (web based), other than bugzilla and 
> phpBugTracker?

Request Tracker ( http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ )
is used by the Perl development team ( http://rt.perl.org/ )
and the CPAN authors ( http://rt.cpan.org/ )


Gabor


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