[LincolnTalk] Rug cleaner?

[DJCP]

Any recs for a rug cleaner who will come pickup a rug?  And is good at
removing pet stains?
Thanks,
Diana
Giles Rd
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[LincolnTalk] ISO bike trailer for our dog

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Hello,
Our dog is elderly and unwell, and we would like to take her with us when
we go on bike rides.  Does anyone have a bike trailer they are looking to
sell, or would be willing to loan/rent to us?  I expect we would only need
it through September at the absolute latest. :(  Any condition is fine as
long as it's sturdy enough to hold a 50ish lb dog.

Thanks for your consideration!
Diana
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[LincolnTalk] yarn and fabric donation?

[DJCP]

I have yarn and fabric I would like to donate to a good cause.  Does anyone
know of an organization that would take it, or does anyone here knit/sew
for a good cause?  I have all sorts and types.  Please let me know.
Thanks,
Diana
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[LincolnTalk] Animal Rescue Open to Visits from Kids?

[DJCP]

Our 3rd grade Girl Scout troop is interested in animal rescue.  Does anyone
know of a rescue, or is connected to a rescue, that would be open to a
visit from about a dozen enthusiastic and kind 3rd graders?  We'd be happy
to do a donation collection (towels or other supplies) in return.
Thank you!
Diana
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[LincolnTalk] Kids kf94 masks - I have extra

[DJCP]

If anyone is looking for kids' kf94 masks for school next week I have some
extras I'd be willing to give away. Just email me directly and I'll leave
some in my mailbox for you.

Diana
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[LincolnTalk] Free Senior Dog Food

[DJCP]

We have an almost full bag of Fromm Gold Reduced Activity & Senior Gold Dry
Food - 30lbs, minus a few cups - to give away.  We've already poured it
into our food container, but if you bring a bin or contractor grade trash
bag, I will help you transfer it.

Please message me directly to coordinate.
Thanks,
Diana
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[LincolnTalk] Claimed: oobr car seat

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[LincolnTalk] ISO ski boots size 22.5 or 30

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Our kid outgrew her boots already! Anyone have some to sell? About a
women's size 5.5 or 6.
Thanks!
Diana
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[LincolnTalk] Where to get microfilm slides printed?

[DJCP]

Does anyone know the closest place I can have microfilm slides printed?  I
don't recall seeing a printer in the library here in Lincoln.  I'm willing
to pay for this.
Thanks,
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[LincolnTalk] ISO dog / new puppy supplies

[DJCP]

We are bringing home a puppy (!!) in a few weeks and need a crate and pen
for the early weeks (months?) We're looking for crates for a 12 lb puppy
and we can size up, or one with a divider for a 70lb grown dog - we'd be
willing to borrow or rent until outgrown. And a pen to help with potty
training. I'd be willing to buy, borrow, or rent. Please let me know if you
have anything. Thank you!
Diana
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[LincolnTalk] Curly hair stylist rec

[DJCP]

My tween daughter with very thick curly hair is in desperate need of a
non-mom haircut. Any recs for a stylist with knowledge of curly hair
styling that might have near term availability?
Thanks
Diana
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Let’s not forget

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Hear, hear! And to all of the volunteers who help keep this town running.
Diana
Giles Rd

On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 5:37 AM Susan Winship 
wrote:

>
> I am so grateful for Jennifer’s endless hours, days, weeks,
> months….working to benefit lincoln.she has been doing this for years….
> Years!! We are so lucky to have such a smart energetic volunteer work for
> us!!! How long has she volunteered for the town? How many hours??? Years of
> time…. I am so grateful… thank you Jennifer! You are a star!!!
> I feel so lucky that you live in lincoln- and work tirelessly for the
> lincoln community…..thank you thank you
> Susan
>
> South Sudanese Enrichment for Families
> Susan Winship,LICSW
> PO Box 492
> Lincoln,MA 01773
> 781-424-8774
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Doherty’s?

[DJCP]

Losing Dohertys would mean the family that owns the place would want to
sell. Which could happen regardless of the zoning changes.
Diana
Giles Rd

On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 7:40 PM Sasha Golden  wrote:

> Not Necessarily.  It's common to grandfather in a prior nonconforming use.
> I'd expect that here.
>
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 5:22 PM Jeff B  wrote:
>
>> Just wanted to say that if the current rezoning costs the town the
>> convenience of Doherty’s, it would be a real loss in my opinion.
>>
>> Looks like every official proposal includes this lot.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Free 3 Melissa and Doug wood puzzles TAKEN

[DJCP]

Thanks!

On Sat, Nov 11, 2023, 3:05 PM DJCP  wrote:

> Diana J
> Giles Rd
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act and Exclusionary Zoning Report-the HAC will make us even more exclusive.

[DJCP]

The best way to make sure commercial stays commercial is to make the
businesses viable and the best way to do that is to make sure there are
people shopping there. Sorry but people from other towns are not flocking
to Lincoln to buy $10 pints of strawberries from Donelans. And I've only
been here 5 years and have noticed the string of restaurants that have
tried to fill the ONE space. Whether we make any changes there's no
guarantee these businesses will stick around. That's capitalism folks. But
we can help by AT LEAST zoning for more housing in the area.

Diana
Giles Rd

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, 8:08 AM Peter Buchthal  wrote:

> Along similar lines, how can the town ensure commercial space stays
> commercial as the new owners could easily decide to raise very high or not
> renew any commercial lease in order to build more luxury residential units
> by right as long as the project has unused housing units within the zoning
> allotment.
>
>
> Peter Buchthal
> Weston Rd
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 12:27 PM David Cuetos 
> wrote:
>
>> How can the RLF guarantee that any particular commercial space will
>> remain once they sell the land to Civico? Are they planning to include
>> a requirement for a supermarket in the deed? Anything else would just be a
>> "recommendation".
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 6:09 PM Margo Fisher-Martin <
>> margo.fisher.mar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> We know that a zoning change does not “dictate” that anything be built
>>> or changed, but we also know that major changes WILL happen in Lincoln,
>>> should this pass. Do any of you remember many years ago when zoning changes
>>> were made that impacted any changes an owner could make (as much as a bay
>>> window) without ZBA approval on pre-existing non-conforming lots? Some
>>> people who are pushing for the re-zoning here are the same people that
>>> tried to instill the fear of “mansionisation” should we allow any changes
>>> to homes on less than 2 acre lots. At town meeting, they showed pictures of
>>> dense mid-rise housing from other towns to scare people into taking away
>>> the rights of the pre-existing (grandfathered) non-conforming lot owners.
>>> Now some of these same people are advocating for providing similar dense
>>> mid-rise housing that they were adamantly opposed to. What happened to the
>>> “stewards of the land?”
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Margo Martin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 5:27 PM Margaret Olson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Michelle Barnes from the RLF can confirm, but I believe Donelan's will
>>> remain after the mall redevelopment.
>>>
>>> A reminder: zoning affects what the property owner has a right to do
>>> with their property. It does not dictate that anything be built or changed.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 4:38 PM Terri via Lincoln <
>>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 If I am reading  the rezoning plans correctly the  Reducition in
 retail includes eliminating Donelans and the  Bank.

>>> Is this correct?
>
> Theresa K
>
>
> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 11:25:26 AM EST, Sara Mattes <
> samat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Is the alternative for the nation area to fill it with dense housing,
> while we are told there will be reduction in retail?
> And, that housing will only reflect the wealth gap-only 10%
> affordable, and the rest, high-end?
>
> What happened to the concept of a “vibrant commercial center?”
> What happened to a “walkable village?”
> What will everyone walk to as retail is reduced?
> Each other's units?
>
> Let us be more creative in what we can develop.
> As Ken has suggested, we have done it in the past.
> We seem to have lost our mojo.
> Let’s get it back.
>
> The HCA is NOT the answer.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2023, at 10:55 AM, Ken Hurd  wrote:
>
> Hello LincolnTalkers,
>
> During the discussion on the Zoom forum hosted by the HCAWG on
> Wednesday evening, I mentioned the recently released report on the history
> of exclusionary zoning in the Boston area.  And also, for those of you who
> couldn’t stay to see it following the Wednesday morning forum at Town 
> Hall,
> below is the link to hear the presentation sponsored by The Boston
> Foundation.
>
> Unless we know our history, it is known that history has a tendency to
> repeat itself. With respect to objections raised to the options offered by
> the Housing Choice Working Group, I do hope that current residents can
> follow the example of earlier Lincoln leaders from the 1970’s who worked
> with, rather than against, the 40B mandate from the state to provide more
> affordable housing.  That, and their efforts to preserve land in a way 
> that
> could be shared with others, made Lincoln a model community that att

Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act and Exclusionary Zoning Report-the HAC will make us even more exclusive.

[DJCP]

First, I did not say I wanted people from other towns flocking here.  I
said the opposite.

Second, I would love to maintain the rural character of Lincoln, too, but
the fact is we have a severe housing shortage not just in Massachusetts but
across the country. Families who work full time, multiple jobs cannot
afford apartments, much less condos or homes.  There are people looking to
step into home ownership who can't because they are priced out.  The
Massachusetts shelter system is full, not just from refugees and
immigrants, but from people who cannot find housing, no matter how much
assistance they have.  So, yes, even luxury condos would help.  (Though I
see the town's commendable track record of negotiating a higher level of
affordable housing and trust them to continue to do the same.)  But it is
also true that Lincoln's exclusionary zoning - which has maintained the
rural character we love - has contributed to the housing crisis.   Lastly,
I would love more taxpayers to come to town because in the end I am also a
capitalist and would like to see my taxes go down.  So I can buy berries
for my kids with abandon.

Diana
Giles Rd

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 9:45 AM gail o'keefe  wrote:

> Why on earth would we want people from other towns flocking to Lincoln for
> their groceries?? The beauty of Lincoln's current commercial area is it
> provides just what the town needs, and not more. This is an environmentally
> sound model, if not one for thriving capitalism. Lincoln's affordable
> housing can be expanded without giving up control to developers.
>
> Many people move to Lincoln specifically to avoid the traffic and
> commercial pressures that are evident in neighboring towns, once
> beautifully semi-rural, now overbuilt with strip malls. Lincoln has been
> preserved over the decades by careful planning and zoning.
>
>  As an example of developer-friendly zoning, Lexington has long had
> commercial zoning in the center, yet there are empty storefronts and over a
> dozen random banks. There are only two restaurants that have lasted over
> the years, dozens have shuttered. Zoning for the benefit of developers
> doesn't guarantee businesses will come, or stay. Belmont is also struggling
> with empty storefronts, it is happening across the region. Developers come
> and go, but residents are left with the developers' decisions, rarely based
> on the long term goals of the town. This is not a good model for Lincoln.
> If Lincoln cedes control to developers, it is in perpetuity, it can't be
> reversed.
>
> Many in town hope that the working group of the HCA ruling will slow the
> process, take the necessary time to address the concerns of the
> townspeople, and allow alternative choices on the ballot.
>
> Gail O'Keefe
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 8:14 AM DJCP  wrote:
>
>> The best way to make sure commercial stays commercial is to make the
>> businesses viable and the best way to do that is to make sure there are
>> people shopping there. Sorry but people from other towns are not flocking
>> to Lincoln to buy $10 pints of strawberries from Donelans. And I've only
>> been here 5 years and have noticed the string of restaurants that have
>> tried to fill the ONE space. Whether we make any changes there's no
>> guarantee these businesses will stick around. That's capitalism folks. But
>> we can help by AT LEAST zoning for more housing in the area.
>>
>> Diana
>> Giles Rd
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, 8:08 AM Peter Buchthal  wrote:
>>
>>> Along similar lines, how can the town ensure commercial space stays
>>> commercial as the new owners could easily decide to raise very high or not
>>> renew any commercial lease in order to build more luxury residential units
>>> by right as long as the project has unused housing units within the zoning
>>> allotment.
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter Buchthal
>>> Weston Rd
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 12:27 PM David Cuetos 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How can the RLF guarantee that any particular commercial space will
>>>> remain once they sell the land to Civico? Are they planning to include
>>>> a requirement for a supermarket in the deed? Anything else would just be a
>>>> "recommendation".
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 6:09 PM Margo Fisher-Martin <
>>>> margo.fisher.mar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> We know that a zoning change does not “dictate” that anything be built
>>>>> or changed, but we also know that major changes WILL happen in Lincol

Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice Act and Exclusionary Zoning Report-the HAC will make us even more exclusive.

[DJCP]

The town has been working on this for 18 months. Diffuse options were
considered, but the overwhelming voices back when the options were being
first formulated said to concentrate everything in town center.  And I am
willing to bet that is still true.  To me, it seems that a small but vocal
group of people are speaking up now.  But we need to vote to comply with
the HCA in short order.  That is why this process started over a year ago!
As it is, this is just a zoning change, and there are no guarantees
anything will be built.  But it's still more than thoughts and prayers to
fix the housing (and climate) crisis.

Diana
Giles Rd

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 10:41 AM Bijoy Misra  wrote:

> Everyone is sympathetic to housing and new people.  The issue is
> where to build.  The overwhelming voice is to exclude the Lincoln
> station area until a full analysis is done.  Congestion, transport
> and environment are the issues.  Hence the appeal is for distributed
> housing.  To sell the Lincoln station area for residential development
> without analysis would be suicidal for the town.  I am speaking on behalf
> of many who wish to live here and develop the town wholesome
> retaining its character.
> Best regards,
> Bijoy Misra
>
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 10:19 AM DJCP  wrote:
>
>> First, I did not say I wanted people from other towns flocking here.  I
>> said the opposite.
>>
>> Second, I would love to maintain the rural character of Lincoln, too, but
>> the fact is we have a severe housing shortage not just in Massachusetts but
>> across the country. Families who work full time, multiple jobs cannot
>> afford apartments, much less condos or homes.  There are people looking to
>> step into home ownership who can't because they are priced out.  The
>> Massachusetts shelter system is full, not just from refugees and
>> immigrants, but from people who cannot find housing, no matter how much
>> assistance they have.  So, yes, even luxury condos would help.  (Though I
>> see the town's commendable track record of negotiating a higher level of
>> affordable housing and trust them to continue to do the same.)  But it is
>> also true that Lincoln's exclusionary zoning - which has maintained the
>> rural character we love - has contributed to the housing crisis.   Lastly,
>> I would love more taxpayers to come to town because in the end I am also a
>> capitalist and would like to see my taxes go down.  So I can buy berries
>> for my kids with abandon.
>>
>> Diana
>> Giles Rd
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 9:45 AM gail o'keefe 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why on earth would we want people from other towns flocking to Lincoln
>>> for their groceries?? The beauty of Lincoln's current commercial area is it
>>> provides just what the town needs, and not more. This is an environmentally
>>> sound model, if not one for thriving capitalism. Lincoln's affordable
>>> housing can be expanded without giving up control to developers.
>>>
>>> Many people move to Lincoln specifically to avoid the traffic and
>>> commercial pressures that are evident in neighboring towns, once
>>> beautifully semi-rural, now overbuilt with strip malls. Lincoln has been
>>> preserved over the decades by careful planning and zoning.
>>>
>>>  As an example of developer-friendly zoning, Lexington has long had
>>> commercial zoning in the center, yet there are empty storefronts and over a
>>> dozen random banks. There are only two restaurants that have lasted over
>>> the years, dozens have shuttered. Zoning for the benefit of developers
>>> doesn't guarantee businesses will come, or stay. Belmont is also struggling
>>> with empty storefronts, it is happening across the region. Developers come
>>> and go, but residents are left with the developers' decisions, rarely based
>>> on the long term goals of the town. This is not a good model for Lincoln.
>>> If Lincoln cedes control to developers, it is in perpetuity, it can't be
>>> reversed.
>>>
>>> Many in town hope that the working group of the HCA ruling will slow the
>>> process, take the necessary time to address the concerns of the
>>> townspeople, and allow alternative choices on the ballot.
>>>
>>> Gail O'Keefe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 8:14 AM DJCP  wrote:
>>>
>>>> The best way to make sure commercial stays commercial is to make the
>>>> businesses viable and the best way to do that is to make sure there are
>>>> people shopping there. Sorry but

Re: [LincolnTalk] How to discourage a woodpecker?

[DJCP]

Shiny things help. Ribbon, cds. I even got some owl shaped foil hanging
things on Amazon and it seems to have worked. With the added benefit of
scaring off the birds that nested in our porch!
Diana
Giles Rd

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 10:24 AM Sara Levine  wrote:

> Hi neighbors-
>
> I’m curious about your thoughts and wisdom on discouraging a woodpecker
> who is gleefully drilling holes in the side of our house.
>
> We have no obvious signs of ants or termites and the friendly pest control
> guy says we need to wait til Spring to even check or treat anyway?!
>
> Has anything worked for you to redirect the woodpeckers?
>
> Thanks!
> Sara
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[LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in Communities that Build Around Commuter Rail Stations

[DJCP]

After she was appointed permanent Transportation Secretary last week,
Monica Tibbits-Nutt directly stated on Radio Boston that the Commonwealth
would invest in communities that build around Commuter Rail stations.

At about 7:10 in the segment linked here, Tiziana specifically asks about
HCA, and at 8:50 the Secretary says Mass. will put the money where "the
cities and towns do what needs to be done":
https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2023/11/13/monica-tibbits-nutt-massdot-sagamore-bourne-tobin-mbta-sumner

At 5:20, the Secretary also talks about how the "inner core" needs to
invest in housing so we can invest more in connecting places like
Worcester.

I think the whole segment is worth listening to, as she directly links
housing to transportation.

Diana
Giles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in Communities that Build Around Commuter Rail Stations

[DJCP]

Gotta start somewhere!

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 5:33 PM Peter Buchthal  wrote:

> While I am happy to see some recognition that our MBTA needs investment,
> I would like to point out the magnitude  and likelihood of the dollars we
> are talking about.  Regrettably, we are many, many years away from a
> properly functioning and reliable MBTA and commuter rail in Lincoln.
>
>
> According to the Boston Globe:
>
> "The MBTA needs a gobsmacking $24.5 billion to repair and replace its
> decrepit track, stations, trains, signals, and other assets, an agency
> analysis released Thursday shows, providing the long-awaited tally of how
> broken the transit system is."
>
> "The next most expensive is the commuter rail system, at about $8 billion,
> with the bulk of investment needed for stations, followed by the Green and
> Mattapan lines — which need $4.7 billion."
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> List to the article:
> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/16/metro/cost-to-fix-mbta/
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:55 AM DJCP  wrote:
>
>> After she was appointed permanent Transportation Secretary last week,
>> Monica Tibbits-Nutt directly stated on Radio Boston that the Commonwealth
>> would invest in communities that build around Commuter Rail stations.
>>
>> At about 7:10 in the segment linked here, Tiziana specifically asks about
>> HCA, and at 8:50 the Secretary says Mass. will put the money where "the
>> cities and towns do what needs to be done":
>> https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2023/11/13/monica-tibbits-nutt-massdot-sagamore-bourne-tobin-mbta-sumner
>>
>> At 5:20, the Secretary also talks about how the "inner core" needs to
>> invest in housing so we can invest more in connecting places like
>> Worcester.
>>
>> I think the whole segment is worth listening to, as she directly links
>> housing to transportation.
>>
>> Diana
>> Giles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in Communities that Build Around Commuter Rail Stations

[DJCP]

ng much
>>> of that area in favor of car-centric development (that will, let's be
>>> honest, not happen) located (according to Google maps) an 8 mile, 15 minute
>>> drive away.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 5:33 PM Peter Buchthal 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> While I am happy to see some recognition that our MBTA needs
>>>> investment,  I would like to point out the magnitude  and likelihood of the
>>>> dollars we are talking about.  Regrettably, we are many, many years away
>>>> from a properly functioning and reliable MBTA and commuter rail in Lincoln.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> According to the Boston Globe:
>>>>
>>>> "The MBTA needs a gobsmacking $24.5 billion to repair and replace its
>>>> decrepit track, stations, trains, signals, and other assets, an agency
>>>> analysis released Thursday shows, providing the long-awaited tally of how
>>>> broken the transit system is."
>>>>
>>>> "The next most expensive is the commuter rail system, at about $8
>>>> billion, with the bulk of investment needed for stations, followed by the
>>>> Green and Mattapan lines — which need $4.7 billion."
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> List to the article:
>>>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/16/metro/cost-to-fix-mbta/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:55 AM DJCP  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> After she was appointed permanent Transportation Secretary last week,
>>>>> Monica Tibbits-Nutt directly stated on Radio Boston that the Commonwealth
>>>>> would invest in communities that build around Commuter Rail stations.
>>>>>
>>>>> At about 7:10 in the segment linked here, Tiziana specifically asks
>>>>> about HCA, and at 8:50 the Secretary says Mass. will put the money where
>>>>> "the cities and towns do what needs to be done":
>>>>> https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2023/11/13/monica-tibbits-nutt-massdot-sagamore-bourne-tobin-mbta-sumner
>>>>>
>>>>> At 5:20, the Secretary also talks about how the "inner core" needs to
>>>>> invest in housing so we can invest more in connecting places like
>>>>> Worcester.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the whole segment is worth listening to, as she directly links
>>>>> housing to transportation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Diana
>>>>> Giles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] A recommended Sunday drive

[DJCP]

Two acre zoning was meant as a means of "control" (a word currently bandied
about without any shame) after WWII housing booms to prevent too much
housing being built and "undesirable" people moving in. Anyone who has
given an ounce of attention to the anti racism reckoning we are currently
going thru shouldn't have a problem seeing through any other rationale
given for such zoning.

Diana
Giles Rd

On Sun, Nov 26, 2023, 7:55 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Two acre zoning was to protect wetlands and open space and encourage land
> conservation.
> It bought time to allow for creative planning and development efforts.
> I recommend reading *A Rich Harvest *to better understand the arc of our
> history and the role land protection has played.
> Also, Bob Lemire’s book, *Creative Land Development *has been leading
> light not just in Lincoln, but nationally.
>
> There is such to be proud of and to be thankful for- for the wisdom of
> those who did big picture thinking in the past, and made wise investments
> to ensure most of the plans were realized.
> The environment thanks us for the tree cover and the carbon sink our land
> provides.
> The environment thanks us for wetlands protection.
> Folks in our forward-thinking affordable housing developments thank us.
> Seniors who now have multiple housing choices for down-sizing thank us.
> Those seeking respite from the city to walk our trails and fields thank us.
>
>
> We need to build on that-move forward, and add to it-esp. with more
> housing choices,-but to do it in cautious, thoughtful and deliberate ways.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2023, at 12:18 PM, Louis Zipes  wrote:
>
> And our emergency services are quite familiar with our part of 117 since
> there are so many accidents due to our bucolic scenery and other historical
> roadways.
>
> I especially find it fascinating that Lincoln was the first town in
> Massachusetts to adopt two acre housing. So much history to be proud of!
>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 12:01 PM Ken Hurd  wrote:
>
>> Sara,
>>
>> Your comment is very misleading.
>>
>> Cold Brook Crossing is not at all what one might see in Lincoln Station
>> because of the controls that the Planning Board would have over any complex
>> with the Site Plan Review section of Lincoln’s Zoning Bylaws that are
>> already in place.
>>
>> Cold Brook Crossing is an example of Chapter 40B housing in which
>> developers are allowed to bypass zoning when the SHI (Subsidized Housing
>> Inventory) is under 10%.  These are two different animals.
>>
>> I’m sorry you felt you needed to resort to such a scare tactic in this
>> discussion.
>>
>> Ken Hurd
>>
>> Lifting the Human Spirit by Design
>> 781-259-3300
>> 781-259-8900 cell
>> www.keha.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>> 117 offers a lovely drive from Lincoln to Leominster, and a history
>> lesson as you see the landscape and the towns change as you head west.
>>
>> Nearby, is a starling lesson.
>>
>> Just past Nine Acre Corner in Concord, and over the Sudbury line, on your
>> right as you head west, you will see Cold Brook Crossing.
>> It is a new housing development, many units completed and more under
>> construction.
>> It is a model for what we might see on Lincoln, esp. at the mall.
>>
>> Take a drive and see.
>> Is that what we want?
>> You be the judge.
>>
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>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] A recommended Sunday drive

[DJCP]

It is ridiculous to keep relying on past laurels as if Lincoln is some sort
of beacon of affordable housing.  Look around.  It is not.  It is not
diverse, and certainly not as diverse as it could be if 2-acre zoning was
not instituted.  I am frequently in all-white spaces.  When residents say
they want to "control" development - well, that smacks to me as
exclusionary.  Many laws have been passed to control the rights and
movement of people who look like me - not to mention those with much more
melanin.  Regardless of the wholesome intent of those who instituted the
zoning in the first place, the effect it has had is to keep generational
wealth (i.e., home ownership) mostly with white people.  At the very least
acknowledge the disparate effect of this type of zoning, even if you insist
on keeping the founders on a pedestal.

Diana
Giles Rd

On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 11:32 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> It is interesting and disappointing to read this.
> Lincoln stood out for creating affordable housing/ mixed income housing
> long before others.
> Lincoln Woods, a cooperative mixed income development led the way in the
> 1970s.
>
> Development of new types of multi- family housing, rental and
> home-ownership, have continued.
> Today, 40% of our housing units are multi-family, and 13% of all housing
> is state- certified “affordable.”
> So, I am not sure what data this report relies on.
>
> Certainly, most of our single family homes prices have made us
> discriminatory… by income.
> It would be great to come up with a program to address that.
> But the HCA is not such a program.
> In fact, HCA rezoning creates further economic discrimination by capping
> affordability and promoting 90% of all units as “ market rate” and often
> luxury.
> This would undercut Lincoln’s history of inclusionary zoning, requiring
> all developments offer a minimum of 15% affordable units.
>
> To me, that makes HCA zoning discriminatory, by Lincoln standards.
>
> So much for AI!
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 26, 2023, at 10:09 PM, Ray Shepard 
> wrote:
>
> 
> *From the perspective of ChatGPT...*.
>
> *What towns in Massachusetts are known for exclusionary zoning?*
>
> *ChatGPT*
> Several towns in Massachusetts have been identified for their practices of
> exclusionary zoning. These towns often use zoning laws to limit the
> development of affordable housing, resulting in a lack of diversity in
> housing types and prices. Some notable examples include:
> Weston: Known for its large lot zoning, which requires a significant
> amount of land per housing unit, making it difficult for smaller, more
> affordable homes to be built.
> Dover: Similar to Weston, Dover also employs large lot zoning, which
> effectively limits the availability of affordable housing options.
> * Lincoln: This town is known for its strict zoning regulations that limit
> the types and densities of allowable housing, often pricing out
> lower-income families.*
> Wellesley: Wellesley has been cited for using zoning laws to restrict the
> development of multi-family housing, which tends to be more affordable.
> Lexington: Known for its high property values and zoning practices that
> favor single-family homes, limiting more affordable housing options.
> *These towns, among others in Massachusetts, often use zoning as a tool to
> maintain a certain demographic and economic status quo, leading to
> criticism regarding social equity and inclusiveness.*
>
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 09:28:56 PM EST, Sara Mattes <
> samat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> It had absolutely NOTHING to do with preventing “undesirable” people
> moving in.
> It had to do with land preservation and conservation and concern over the
> inability of the town finances to support a rapid growth in population.
> We had no commercial base, except a few small business along Rt.2A and 117.
>
> Racial and ethnic (antisemitism) was an issue a bit later-it was near
> impossible to buy a house in Lincoln if you were Black or Jewish.
> Story goes that a seller was present at the tour and always expressed
> interest in who would be the buyer.
> If a Jew managed to get a showing, the seller would take their time and
> then turn down the offer.
> If you were black, it was next to impossible to get a showing.
> I moved here in 1976, and told that was the case, even then.
>
> It had nothing to do with zoning.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2023, at 8:36 PM, DJCP  wrote:
>
> Two acre zoning was meant as a means of "control" (a word currently
> bandied about without any shame) after WWII housing booms to prevent too
> much housing being built and "undesirable"

Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice FAQs

[DJCP]

BUt I think the point is that the assessment doesn't change until the 30
units are built. Sure it has more potential value, and someone may pay more
for it than before the zoning change, but it won't change your actual
assessment or tax bill.
Diana

On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 6:25 PM John F. Carr  wrote:

> I don't think this statement is accurate:
> "Properties are assessed based on their current use, not on future
> possible use."
>
> Quoting from a Massachusetts guide for property assessors:
>
> "Fair cash valuation is based on the highest and best use of the land,
> which
> should reflect the applicable zoning, building or other land use laws and
> regulations, as well as the physical characteristics of the land."
>
> A buildable lot in Lincoln, zoned for one residence, is worth over
> half a million
> dollars.  What happens if that land is rezoned to allow 30 units instead
> of one?
> The land is going to be worth several million dollars, not half a
> million.  The
> assessed value of the structure on the land has not changed.  The total tax
> bill has changed.
>
> John Carr
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 2:29 PM Jennifer Glass via Lincoln
>  wrote:
> >
> > On behalf of the HCAWG Outreach Team, we wish you a relaxing holiday
> weekend.
> >
> >
> > - Jennifer, Gary, Kathy
> >
> >
> > 2023 11 22 Housing Choice Act Working Group - FAQs
> >
> > What is Option E? A group of residents submitted an option that was
> reviewed at the November 21st Housing Choice Act Working Group (HCAWG)
> meeting. Documents describing the option, as submitted, may be found in the
> documents section of the HCAWG web page (
> https://www.lincolntown.org/1327/Housing-Choice-Act-Working-Group).  The
> link to the meeting recording is here:
> https://us06web.zoom.us/rec/share/OWG-84wg0A5W2q8JB2fYWrWAoTq7sMmr4Mv8qCJRRMn0IV7INcFS1evLwQljYv8-.1lOpdFNjrb0Yvp2Q
> >
> >
> >
> > Will property value assessments change with rezoning?  No. Properties
> are assessed based on their current use, not on future possible use.  If a
> neighbor’s property changes use, that still does not affect assessment.
> Assessments change when an individual property’s use changes.
> >
> >
> >
> > Why is the commuter parking lot included in the Village Center
> subdistrict? All of the options developed by the HCAWG include the Village
> Center subdistrict which is comprised of the Mall (owned by the RLF),
> Doherty’s, and the two town-owned commuter parking lots (the resident lot
> and the one at the back of the Mall).
> >
> > ·   Both commuter lots are currently part of the South Lincoln
> overlay district. Keeping the lots in the Village Center overlay district
> is consistent with past practice and planning principles.
> >
> > ·   As the HCAWG has said from the beginning, and in keeping with
> planning discussions over the past several decades, including it in the
> Village Center subdistrict gives the town planning flexibility.
> >
> > o   The Mall area is small (4 acres). Including the parking lot allows
> for more holistic planning.
> >
> > o   Including it gives the Town leverage in conversations about how that
> area is redeveloped.
> >
> > o   Residents have expressed strong support for developing moderate and
> affordable housing. Including the parking lot signals to the state and
> potential developers that Lincoln is serious about transit-oriented
> planning.  This would help the Town gain access to housing development
> funding that is only available to municipalities.  This funding is what
> would make moderate/affordable housing possible.
> >
> > o   It is also a signal to the MBTA that we are doing our part and
> expect them to do theirs when it comes to providing an accessible station
> and improved service.
> >
> > ·   Because it is town-owned land, ANY change in use of the parking
> lot requires a 2/3 majority vote at a Town Meeting. This would still be
> true even if it is rezoned as part of the HCA. There is no downside to
> including it as part of a rational zoning process.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is the vote for an option at the Special Town Meeting binding?  The
> HCAWG and the Select Board will consider the vote binding subject to any
> necessary technical changes needed for compliance.
> >
> > ·   No matter which option residents choose on December 2nd, the
> proposal will need to go through an initial compliance check by the
> Executive Office of Housing & Livable Communities (EOHLC).
> >
> > ·   If changes must be made for compliance, they will be shared with
> residents as soon as possible before the March Annual Town Meeting.
> >
> >
> >
> > Why are we voting in March when the deadline for compliance is December
> 2024?   The Select Board and Planning Board began talking about the Housing
> Choice Act in January of 2022 when the legislation was passed (
> https://www.lincolntown.org/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Minutes/_01312022-4365).
> The guidelines were finalized over the summer of 2022, and the Select Board
> appointed the Hou

Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice FAQs

[DJCP]

You're right, I misread his email.

But John has picked one line out of a guide - and we don't even know which
one.

This is from the assessor's website and explains how the town calculates
the assessed value of a property:
https://www.lincolntown.org/Faq.aspx?QID=84
It is based on property sales, and applying some value extrapolated from
the sales to all of the properties in town.  So short of a gut rehab or
tearing down and rebuilding your house, I don't think one factor such as
rezoning can spike one's property tax.  Interestingly though, if prices
keep being sold at our artificially inflated prices, our collective taxes
keep going up!

Here is another helpful guide I found on how Wellfleet calculates property
taxes.  All communities in Mass work off of the same state law - Mass. Gen.
Laws ch 59


On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 10:02 PM William Broughton 
wrote:

>
> I’m sorry but isn’t that the exact opposite of what John just quoted from
> a Massachusetts guide for property assessors?
>
> Best,
> Will
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2023, at 6:39 PM, DJCP  wrote:
>
> 
> BUt I think the point is that the assessment doesn't change until the 30
> units are built. Sure it has more potential value, and someone may pay more
> for it than before the zoning change, but it won't change your actual
> assessment or tax bill.
> Diana
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 6:25 PM John F. Carr 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't think this statement is accurate:
>> "Properties are assessed based on their current use, not on future
>> possible use."
>>
>> Quoting from a Massachusetts guide for property assessors:
>>
>> "Fair cash valuation is based on the highest and best use of the land,
>> which
>> should reflect the applicable zoning, building or other land use laws and
>> regulations, as well as the physical characteristics of the land."
>>
>> A buildable lot in Lincoln, zoned for one residence, is worth over
>> half a million
>> dollars.  What happens if that land is rezoned to allow 30 units instead
>> of one?
>> The land is going to be worth several million dollars, not half a
>> million.  The
>> assessed value of the structure on the land has not changed.  The total
>> tax
>> bill has changed.
>>
>> John Carr
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 2:29 PM Jennifer Glass via Lincoln
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > On behalf of the HCAWG Outreach Team, we wish you a relaxing holiday
>> weekend.
>> >
>> >
>> > - Jennifer, Gary, Kathy
>> >
>> >
>> > 2023 11 22 Housing Choice Act Working Group - FAQs
>> >
>> > What is Option E? A group of residents submitted an option that was
>> reviewed at the November 21st Housing Choice Act Working Group (HCAWG)
>> meeting. Documents describing the option, as submitted, may be found in the
>> documents section of the HCAWG web page (
>> https://www.lincolntown.org/1327/Housing-Choice-Act-Working-Group).  The
>> link to the meeting recording is here:
>> https://us06web.zoom.us/rec/share/OWG-84wg0A5W2q8JB2fYWrWAoTq7sMmr4Mv8qCJRRMn0IV7INcFS1evLwQljYv8-.1lOpdFNjrb0Yvp2Q
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Will property value assessments change with rezoning?  No. Properties
>> are assessed based on their current use, not on future possible use.  If a
>> neighbor’s property changes use, that still does not affect assessment.
>> Assessments change when an individual property’s use changes.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Why is the commuter parking lot included in the Village Center
>> subdistrict? All of the options developed by the HCAWG include the Village
>> Center subdistrict which is comprised of the Mall (owned by the RLF),
>> Doherty’s, and the two town-owned commuter parking lots (the resident lot
>> and the one at the back of the Mall).
>> >
>> > ·   Both commuter lots are currently part of the South Lincoln
>> overlay district. Keeping the lots in the Village Center overlay district
>> is consistent with past practice and planning principles.
>> >
>> > ·   As the HCAWG has said from the beginning, and in keeping with
>> planning discussions over the past several decades, including it in the
>> Village Center subdistrict gives the town planning flexibility.
>> >
>> > o   The Mall area is small (4 acres). Including the parking lot allows
>> for more holistic planning.
>> >
>> > o   Including it gives the Town leverage in conversations about how
>> that area is redeveloped.
>> >
>> > o   Residents have expresse

Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice FAQs

[DJCP]

If *houses keep being sold...

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 9:29 AM DJCP  wrote:

> You're right, I misread his email.
>
> But John has picked one line out of a guide - and we don't even know which
> one.
>
> This is from the assessor's website and explains how the town calculates
> the assessed value of a property:
> https://www.lincolntown.org/Faq.aspx?QID=84
> It is based on property sales, and applying some value extrapolated from
> the sales to all of the properties in town.  So short of a gut rehab or
> tearing down and rebuilding your house, I don't think one factor such as
> rezoning can spike one's property tax.  Interestingly though, if prices
> keep being sold at our artificially inflated prices, our collective taxes
> keep going up!
>
> Here is another helpful guide I found on how Wellfleet calculates property
> taxes.  All communities in Mass work off of the same state law - Mass. Gen.
> Laws ch 59
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 10:02 PM William Broughton 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I’m sorry but isn’t that the exact opposite of what John just quoted from
>> a Massachusetts guide for property assessors?
>>
>> Best,
>> Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 27, 2023, at 6:39 PM, DJCP  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> BUt I think the point is that the assessment doesn't change until the 30
>> units are built. Sure it has more potential value, and someone may pay more
>> for it than before the zoning change, but it won't change your actual
>> assessment or tax bill.
>> Diana
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 6:25 PM John F. Carr 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think this statement is accurate:
>>> "Properties are assessed based on their current use, not on future
>>> possible use."
>>>
>>> Quoting from a Massachusetts guide for property assessors:
>>>
>>> "Fair cash valuation is based on the highest and best use of the land,
>>> which
>>> should reflect the applicable zoning, building or other land use laws and
>>> regulations, as well as the physical characteristics of the land."
>>>
>>> A buildable lot in Lincoln, zoned for one residence, is worth over
>>> half a million
>>> dollars.  What happens if that land is rezoned to allow 30 units instead
>>> of one?
>>> The land is going to be worth several million dollars, not half a
>>> million.  The
>>> assessed value of the structure on the land has not changed.  The total
>>> tax
>>> bill has changed.
>>>
>>> John Carr
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 2:29 PM Jennifer Glass via Lincoln
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On behalf of the HCAWG Outreach Team, we wish you a relaxing holiday
>>> weekend.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > - Jennifer, Gary, Kathy
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2023 11 22 Housing Choice Act Working Group - FAQs
>>> >
>>> > What is Option E? A group of residents submitted an option that was
>>> reviewed at the November 21st Housing Choice Act Working Group (HCAWG)
>>> meeting. Documents describing the option, as submitted, may be found in the
>>> documents section of the HCAWG web page (
>>> https://www.lincolntown.org/1327/Housing-Choice-Act-Working-Group).
>>> The link to the meeting recording is here:
>>> https://us06web.zoom.us/rec/share/OWG-84wg0A5W2q8JB2fYWrWAoTq7sMmr4Mv8qCJRRMn0IV7INcFS1evLwQljYv8-.1lOpdFNjrb0Yvp2Q
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Will property value assessments change with rezoning?  No. Properties
>>> are assessed based on their current use, not on future possible use.  If a
>>> neighbor’s property changes use, that still does not affect assessment.
>>> Assessments change when an individual property’s use changes.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Why is the commuter parking lot included in the Village Center
>>> subdistrict? All of the options developed by the HCAWG include the Village
>>> Center subdistrict which is comprised of the Mall (owned by the RLF),
>>> Doherty’s, and the two town-owned commuter parking lots (the resident lot
>>> and the one at the back of the Mall).
>>> >
>>> > ·   Both commuter lots are currently part of the South Lincoln
>>> overlay district. Keeping the lots in the Village Center overlay district
>>> is consistent with past practice and planning principles.
>>> >
>>> > ·   As the H

Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing Choice FAQs

[DJCP]

I'd like to know if God exists, but some things we just can't know until
they happen (in the case of my question, when I die I guess)!

But Google did show me this published journal article and, if I'm reading
it correctly, seems to say that restrictive (i.e., single family) land use
regulations (i.e., zoning) drive up the price of land, by about $50k in the
Boston area, based on a  pre-covid data, even.
https://www.nber.org/papers/w28993
<https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28993/w28993.pdf>

And by artificially inflated prices, I just mean because of our
artificially low housing stock based on things like lack of construction
b/c of things like restrictive zoning, whereas there is plenty of demand.

And there absolutely can be artificially inflated prices.  We had a whole
global economic crisis in 2008 related to it.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 11:28 AM Scott Clary  wrote:

> It would be good to know what the potential tax implications are under
> HCA. Our tax increases are slowly but surely squeezing my family out of
> town.
>
> Regardless of what an annual percentage increase in property values may
> be, the Commonwealth's levies are capped at two and a half percent unless
> an override. And in theory as property values go up the tax rate can come
> down.
>
> I am curious how our property prices / values are artificially inflated.
> Market forces determine value. Whether one thinks our zoning bylaws are
> exclusionary or not,  market forces still set value.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Scott Clary
> 617-968-5769
>
> Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors
>
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 9:30 AM DJCP  wrote:
>
>> You're right, I misread his email.
>>
>> But John has picked one line out of a guide - and we don't even know
>> which one.
>>
>> This is from the assessor's website and explains how the town calculates
>> the assessed value of a property:
>> https://www.lincolntown.org/Faq.aspx?QID=84
>> It is based on property sales, and applying some value extrapolated from
>> the sales to all of the properties in town.  So short of a gut rehab or
>> tearing down and rebuilding your house, I don't think one factor such as
>> rezoning can spike one's property tax.  Interestingly though, if prices
>> keep being sold at our artificially inflated prices, our collective taxes
>> keep going up!
>>
>> Here is another helpful guide I found on how Wellfleet calculates
>> property taxes.  All communities in Mass work off of the same state law -
>> Mass. Gen. Laws ch 59
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 10:02 PM William Broughton <
>> wbroughto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I’m sorry but isn’t that the exact opposite of what John just quoted
>>> from a Massachusetts guide for property assessors?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 27, 2023, at 6:39 PM, DJCP  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> BUt I think the point is that the assessment doesn't change until the 30
>>> units are built. Sure it has more potential value, and someone may pay more
>>> for it than before the zoning change, but it won't change your actual
>>> assessment or tax bill.
>>> Diana
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 6:25 PM John F. Carr 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't think this statement is accurate:
>>>> "Properties are assessed based on their current use, not on future
>>>> possible use."
>>>>
>>>> Quoting from a Massachusetts guide for property assessors:
>>>>
>>>> "Fair cash valuation is based on the highest and best use of the land,
>>>> which
>>>> should reflect the applicable zoning, building or other land use laws
>>>> and
>>>> regulations, as well as the physical characteristics of the land."
>>>>
>>>> A buildable lot in Lincoln, zoned for one residence, is worth over
>>>> half a million
>>>> dollars.  What happens if that land is rezoned to allow 30 units
>>>> instead of one?
>>>> The land is going to be worth several million dollars, not half a
>>>> million.  The
>>>> assessed value of the structure on the land has not changed.  The total
>>>> tax
>>>> bill has changed.
>>>>
>>>> John Carr
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 2:29 PM Jennifer Glass via Lincoln
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > On beha

Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln Residents for Housing Alternatives and HCA Choices

[DJCP]

Nothing you have written contradicts the facts that there are no published
minutes or agenda items even for others to pour over in minute detail with
our copious free time.

Second, option E is not compliant. The only compliant option is C as that
is the only option submitted to the state that has been approved.

In fact, the lack of continuity on Lewis St is a big red flag and may get
rejected. Not having minutes or notes from the development of the option
means there is no concurrent evident to show the state that there was no
racist or discriminatory or self serving intent in crafting that option.



On Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 2:56 PM Lynne Smith  wrote:

> I am writing in response to recent comments on Lincoln Talk, one of which
> accused the Lincoln Residents for Housing Alternatives (LRHA) of being a 
> “*special
> interest group, which has had secret meetings to develop…options with no
> public notifications of meetings or publication of minutes*”.
>
> This group of residents sprang up organically from individuals using
> Lincoln Talk, our only open-ended Town-wide communication platform.  They
> did not have the advantage of being appointed as committee members by the
> Selects.  Instead, they attended meetings, read distributed information,
> and looked up relevant Massachusetts’ law.  Their ideas grew during
> back-and-forth discussions on Lincoln Talk. There is no open meeting law to
> restrict residents from talking together. To characterize these discussions
> as ‘secret meetings’ is offensive to me.
>
> These individuals, without a hierarchy of leaders but with similar ideas
> and meeting mostly on line, created a web site
>  with fact-based
> information regarding the Housing Choice Act and a fifth option, now called
> Option E. While I have not contributed to the website, I have taken a
> strong interest in the analysis presented there.  To my knowledge, there
> is no ‘special interest’ that unites the group other than basing their
> opinions on data and analysis and showing where that leads.
>
> And that leads me to Option E, which is entirely compliant with HCA
> rezoning rules. Its main difference compared to Options C and D, is that it
> excludes the Lincoln Mall from HCA development. It excludes the Mall
> because many of us, listed as supporters
>  on the LRHA
> website, believe it is the most likely to be developed and we want it to
> be developed subject to Town approvals: we want more affordability and
> better control of the layout and design than a ‘by right’ developer might
> give us.
>
> As a 20-year member of the Lincoln Land Conservation Trust and a supporter
> of the RLF, I want to see the Mall filled with wonderful condos, one of
> which I might buy when we are ready to downsize! I do not criticize the
> Town staff, the RLF, and the appointed Working Group members.  They have
> done a great job getting us to this point. But everyone has their own lens
> for Lincoln’s response to the housing crisis.  Let’s not criticize those
> residents who have invested their time and volunteered their skills to
> create alternatives. We will all meet on December 2nd to make the best
> choice we know how to make for Lincoln’s future. See you there!
> Lynne Smith
> 5 Tabor Hill Road
> Lincoln, MA 01773
> cell:  781-258-1175
> ly...@smith.net
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln Residents for Housing Alternatives and HCA Choices

[DJCP]

I would like to clarify my email.  I was typing on my phone and can end up
too succinct.

In addition to people who are good with numbers in town, there are also
people who are lawyers and went to law school and/or have studied how
judicial and administrative review of things like laws and regulations
works. And in that process, officials often consult things like
contemporaneous minutes and notes to see what the intent of a law was, esp
if something on its face might look illegal, like an oddly drawn zoning
map.  The fact that there aren't any for Option E means any reviewer would
have no such backup to discover any legitimate intent.  I don't think
Option E will necessarily get to any legal challenge, but the fact that
there aren't any minutes or notes alone makes the option unappealing to
me.  And no amount of post-hoc zoom meetings will change that.

And while the numbers for Option E might pass muster under whatever
software they were plugged into, living human beings will be reviewing the
town's submission, and, like I said, the oddly drawn district on Lewis
Street is highly suspect.  Carving out specific lots is the opposite of how
zoning is supposed to work.  And trying to claim it's a historic district -
well, that's textbook NIMBYism that any human would understand.



On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 3:42 PM DJCP  wrote:

> Nothing you have written contradicts the facts that there are no published
> minutes or agenda items even for others to pour over in minute detail with
> our copious free time.
>
> Second, option E is not compliant. The only compliant option is C as that
> is the only option submitted to the state that has been approved.
>
> In fact, the lack of continuity on Lewis St is a big red flag and may get
> rejected. Not having minutes or notes from the development of the option
> means there is no concurrent evident to show the state that there was no
> racist or discriminatory or self serving intent in crafting that option.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 2:56 PM Lynne Smith  wrote:
>
>> I am writing in response to recent comments on Lincoln Talk, one of which
>> accused the Lincoln Residents for Housing Alternatives (LRHA) of being a 
>> “*special
>> interest group, which has had secret meetings to develop…options with no
>> public notifications of meetings or publication of minutes*”.
>>
>> This group of residents sprang up organically from individuals using
>> Lincoln Talk, our only open-ended Town-wide communication platform.  They
>> did not have the advantage of being appointed as committee members by the
>> Selects.  Instead, they attended meetings, read distributed information,
>> and looked up relevant Massachusetts’ law.  Their ideas grew during
>> back-and-forth discussions on Lincoln Talk. There is no open meeting law to
>> restrict residents from talking together. To characterize these discussions
>> as ‘secret meetings’ is offensive to me.
>>
>> These individuals, without a hierarchy of leaders but with similar ideas
>> and meeting mostly on line, created a web site
>> <https://sites.google.com/view/lincoln-hca-info/home> with fact-based
>> information regarding the Housing Choice Act and a fifth option, now called
>> Option E. While I have not contributed to the website, I have taken a
>> strong interest in the analysis presented there.  To my knowledge, there
>> is no ‘special interest’ that unites the group other than basing their
>> opinions on data and analysis and showing where that leads.
>>
>> And that leads me to Option E, which is entirely compliant with HCA
>> rezoning rules. Its main difference compared to Options C and D, is that it
>> excludes the Lincoln Mall from HCA development. It excludes the Mall
>> because many of us, listed as supporters
>> <https://sites.google.com/view/lincoln-hca-info/who-are-we> on the LRHA
>> website, believe it is the most likely to be developed and we want it to
>> be developed subject to Town approvals: we want more affordability and
>> better control of the layout and design than a ‘by right’ developer might
>> give us.
>>
>> As a 20-year member of the Lincoln Land Conservation Trust and a
>> supporter of the RLF, I want to see the Mall filled with wonderful condos,
>> one of which I might buy when we are ready to downsize! I do not
>> criticize the Town staff, the RLF, and the appointed Working Group members.
>> They have done a great job getting us to this point. But everyone has
>> their own lens for Lincoln’s response to the housing crisis.  Let’s not
>> criticize those residents who have invested their time and volunteered
>> their skills to create alternatives. We will all meet on D

Re: [LincolnTalk] Ruth Ann Hendrickson Supports Option C

[DJCP]

It's a typo but I think you nailed it with "let the town die".
Diana

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 9:33 AM Bijoy Misra  wrote:

>
> *as long as the current Town Meeting approval process is in place, we will
> rarely, if ever, be approached by developers - whether we actively try to
> recruit them or not. and even if we are approached, there is little chance
> they will stick with us through the entire approval process. *
>
> This is exactly I have been saying.  The goal is to let the town die and
> let the developers come.
> It assumes that Townspeople would be unable to find a developer who is
> sensitive to the environment
> and the town's needs.  It is possible that the current people in the lead
> are unable to find the developers
> who can work with the town ethos.  Let the new young people lead and
> protect the town.
> Let the town be more active and be a model in development efforts.  Let it
> keep its green..
> Best regards,
> Bijoy Misra
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 7:57 AM Pastor Allen 
> wrote:
>
>> Ruth Ann is absolutely correct, and I 100% agree with her logic and
>> endorsement of option C.
>>
>> I also think it important to emphasize and expand upon the concerns she
>> raises about "Option E," and the town meeting process in general.
>>
>> Those who invest in large projects are not looking to run a substantial
>> risk of losing the major upfront investments and commitments they must make
>> in any project before it gets to the point of final approval.  That's
>> reasonable: we would not ask our friends or neighbors to throw a pile of
>> their money and years of effort on the table and risk it all on a roll of
>> the dice, and we would be resentful if they asked it of us.
>>
>> In general, the need for a Town Meeting approval - no matter what town -
>> is seen as a roll of the dice with a high risk of failure at the last
>> minute. Further, Lincoln's history in that regard does not inspire
>> confidence.
>>
>> And so, with plenty of other nearby towns competing for those same
>> investments, investors and developers have no need to ever put Lincoln on
>> their shortlist of possible project opportunities. This will become even
>> more true as more and more communities conform to the HCA.
>>
>> Developers look for an approval process that they see as fair and
>> predictable. (And it's that perception that counts, not our convictions to
>> the contrary.)  They look for assurance that if they play by the rules,
>> they will have a reasonably good chance of success.  What the rules are is
>> not as important as that they are predictable and stable.
>>
>> So, the onus is upon us to craft a set of rules and processes to guide
>> their efforts, so that their project meets the town's expectations and
>> needs. It is in everyone's best interest to put those guard rails in at the
>> front end of the approval process, rather than having them burst upon the
>> scene at the last minute.
>>
>> Many will point to Oriole Landing as an example of how town meeting can
>> work. I was involved in that entire process from our first meeting with
>> them through to the groundbreaking of the completed project. It needs to be
>> pointed out that it was Civico's first exposure to the town meeting
>> process, and they have already said they would never willingly do so again.
>>
>> So, as long as the current Town Meeting approval process is in place, we
>> will rarely, if ever, be approached by developers - whether we actively try
>> to recruit them or not. and even if we are approached, there is little
>> chance they will stick with us through the entire approval process.
>>
>> Lincoln will not only never have a seat at the table when such projects
>> are in their formative stages, we likely won't even know the table exists.
>>
>> Allen Vander Meulen
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2023, at 21:02, Ruth Ann Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I support new and more affordable housing in Lincoln, and I’d like to see
>> most of it in the area of the train station and the Lincoln Mall. I will
>> therefore be supporting option C at the Special Town Meeting on December 2.
>>
>> 1) *Options C is the best hope for retaining the retail businesses at
>> the Mall*. I remember when the roof caved in, and Donelan’s was out of
>> business for over a year. We missed them terribly. If we even needed a pint
>> of cream, we had to go out of town. Retail is struggling all over the
>> country, but I notice that West Concord, (population 7,003 per Census
>> data: ACS 2021) which developed a large apartment complex near the Nashoba
>> Brook a few years ago, has managed to retain real retail, not just banks
>> and restaurants. I am hoping that with enough new housing in the mall area,
>> we also could have a thriving retail center.
>>
>> 2) *History shows that adding new housing enriches the Town.* Change is
>> always worrisome. When Farrah pond village near where I live was proposed,
>> the neighbors were violently against it beca

Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center

[DJCP]

Do you want a community center at the mall or do you want affordable
housing and commercial space?  Can you please make up your mind?

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 10:08 AM Robert Ahlert  wrote:

> Agreed, great idea!
>
> Only option E would allow community center at the Mall
>
> Else, RLF will sell to the highest bidder under HCA zoning for housing.
>
> Rob
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 9:57 AM Robert Hicks  wrote:
>
>> I too support Ken Hurd's recommendation that the Community Center be
>> included as part of the redevelopment of the Lincoln Station area.
>>
>> Please write in - "None of the Above" on the article at the Special Town
>> meeting.
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center

[DJCP]

What is she to confirm when nothing has been written or passed??? It's all
drafts. People have been making this point over and over but it's easier to
resort to scare tactics.

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 12:54 PM Robert Ahlert  wrote:

> Let’s ask Margaret to confirm which parts of the zoning bylaws would
> prevent these large structures. As long as it meets the technical
> requirements of the zoning bylaws for that zone, it can be built.
>
> I watched them working on them the other night and did not see anything
> that would stop this.
>
> And don’t confuse the zoning bylaws with the site guidelines, which are
> just guidelines for developers to stay in the planning board’s good graces.
> Site guidelines don’t have teeth.
>
> Happy to be corrected, but these are the types of details that need to be
> explained clearly before we vote. People need to understand what they are
> voting for
>
> Rob
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:44 PM RAandBOB  wrote:
>
>> You are ignoring the controls provided by the actual zoning bylaw for
>> these new by-right parcels. This is just scaremongering.
>> Ruth Ann
>> (She, her, hers)
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 11:59 AM, Robert Ahlert  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Thanks for asking.
>>
>> What I want is a well thought out design process, which cannot happen
>> with all of these points up in the air at the same time.
>>
>> We need more time. We have more time.
>>
>> I’m worried about large monolithic housing structures in the mall parking
>> lot and eventually replacing Donelan’s and on the commuter rail parking lot
>> as well. And maybe even Doherty will have four stories with a special
>> permit from the planning board
>>
>> I just don’t see how this doesn’t happen once this property is HCA zoned
>> and turned over to a for profit developer
>>
>> They won’t want commercial, they won’t want a community center. All they
>> want is luxury housing and parking. And they will get exactly what they
>> want because these parcels are zoned as HCA and the zoning bylaws permit
>> without a special permit
>>
>> If you are in doubt or if you think we need more time, please vote for
>> option E
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 11:43 AM DJCP  wrote:
>>
>>> Do you want a community center at the mall or do you want affordable
>>> housing and commercial space?  Can you please make up your mind?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 10:08 AM Robert Ahlert 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Agreed, great idea!
>>>>
>>>> Only option E would allow community center at the Mall
>>>>
>>>> Else, RLF will sell to the highest bidder under HCA zoning for housing.
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 9:57 AM Robert Hicks  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I too support Ken Hurd's recommendation that the Community Center be
>>>>> included as part of the redevelopment of the Lincoln Station area.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please write in - "None of the Above" on the article at the Special
>>>>> Town meeting.
>>>>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Voting on incomplete options

[DJCP]

What you're saying isn't even internally consistent. How does the Planning
board keep decisions to itself AND put things up to vote at town meeting?

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 6:03 PM Karla Gravis  wrote:

> I am confused with this answer.
>
> No one is denying zoning bylaws require a town meeting vote. In March, the
> options will be 1) a certain, specific set of bylaws (currently
> undetermined) or 2) nothing (aka: non-compliance).
>
> Tomorrow, on the other hand, we could have given residents the option to
> choose among different sets of complete bylaws. At the very least, there
> should be 100% clarity on issues like height, number of stories, ability to
> pay fees in lieu of affordable units, commercial space requirements and
> whether the planning board can provide variances on those or not.
>
> I posit that the reason we are not being presented with all that
> information is because some members of the planning board would prefer to
> make those decisions themselves rather than letting residents vote on those
> critical variables.
>
> We understand that residents can try to influence what is presented in
> March, but the PB will decide the final set of bylaws. In March, residents
> will only be allowed to decide between that specific set or non-compliance.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 5:48 PM Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
>> Once again, zoning changes require a vote at town meeting.
>>
>> The planning board drafts the zoning and holds public hearings as
>> required by law. The town then votes at town meeting.
>>
>> Once again zoning changes require a vote of town meeting.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 4:53 PM ٍSarah Postlethwait 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The HCA is NOT a set of guidelines. The guidelines were created by the
>>> EOHLC. According to Ms Olson, "compliance with the HCA is "exactly zoning
>>> by laws".
>>>
>>> This is why knowing the bylaws for the proposed subdistricts is
>>> incredibly important. Why even vote on density and height restrictions
>>> tomorrow, as all of these options have specified, if the planning board can
>>> just override everything and make it whatever height and density that they
>>> (or the developer) feels like adding.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, Option E has been modified to fix the minor issue that
>>> Utile thought may need addressed before submitting it to the state. It
>>> meets all the guidelines set forth by the EOHLC.
>>>
>>> Option C was submitted to the state, however it was never deemed
>>> compliant. Nor were options D1, D2 or D3.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, option C was significantly changed on Wednesday and will
>>> need resubmitted to the state to account for these changes.
>>>
>>> It’s unfortunate that you think we are trying to be disruptive,
>>> considering the state actually modified the HCA model used to calculate
>>> modeled units this week, due to the LRHA’s work highlighting the
>>> significant flaw that results in an overzoning of units.
>>>
>>> This change removed over 400 additional units from option C that could
>>> have been built, by right, on top of the 800 actual units that are allowed
>>> in the current option C being voted on tomorrow.
>>>
>>> While we are grateful that Utile finally listened to our concerns and
>>> consulted with the state to address the issue with the model, It’s
>>> unfortunate that the HCAWG members refused to sit down with us weeks ago
>>> when the issue was detected.
>>>
>>> So if you call that disruptive, so be it.
>>>
>>> Sarah Postlethwait
>>>
>>> Lewis Street
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Anyone interested in learning more about Option E and the significant
>>> changes made to options C, D1, D2 and D3 this week can learn more here:
>>>
>>> https://sites.google.com/view/lincoln-hca-info/compare-the-options
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 4:10 PM John Mendelson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We are NOT being asked to vote on bylaws.  The HCA is a set of
 guidelines and we are being asked to vote for one of 5 zoning options that
 conform (or perhaps don't confirm in one case) to said guidelines.  We've
 been told repeatedly that bylaws are to follow and we will vote for one
 fully developed plan (or not) in March

 I find this continued obfuscation and distraction really frustrating
 and hard to hear as anything but an attempt to disrupt the process.

 John

 On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 4:02 PM Karla Gravis 
 wrote:

> I am not suggesting that we bring multiple by-laws for approval at the
> March town meeting.
>
> Tomorrow we are asking residents to express a preference for a set of
> bylaws through ranked choice voting, The preferred option would then be
> presented for approval in March. Options C and D as being voted on 
> tomorrow
> are incomplete because we do not have answers to these questions:
>
>- Building heights/stories
>- PB having override prower thro

[LincolnTalk] Sodastream refill canister?

[DJCP]

Hello! Does anyone know the closest place I can get a sodastream CO2 refill
canister?
Thanks!
Diana
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Sodastream refill canister?

[DJCP]

Thanks to everyone who responded! I don't seem to get out much if all these
places have refills. 😂

On Fri, Dec 15, 2023, 11:12 AM Linda Cordner  wrote:

> The Star Market on Lexington St. in Waltham has SodaStream refills near the 
> frozen foods isles.
>
>
>
> >* On Dec 14, 2023, at 9:50 AM, DJCP  ><https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln>> wrote:
> *> >* Hello! Does anyone know the closest place I can get a sodastream CO2 
> refill canister?
> *>* Thanks!
> *>* Diana
> *>* Giles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Sodastream refill canister?

[DJCP]

I went to Vanderhoof and I got $10 off the refill for bringing in my old
canister.  Can't speak to the others specifically.
Diana


On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 1:27 PM Faye  wrote:

> The idea is to get refills at half the cost of a cartridge when you return
> an empty one. That can be done at Staple stores.  Do the other stores
> recommended do that, as well?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 16, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Vicki Konstandakis 
> wrote:
>
> Also there is always Amazon — deliver right to your front door.   My age
> sends me to Amazon last while the newer generation goes there first LOL
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 16, 2023, at 9:14 AM, DJCP  wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded! I don't seem to get out much if all
> these places have refills. 😂
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023, 11:12 AM Linda Cordner 
> wrote:
>
>> The Star Market on Lexington St. in Waltham has SodaStream refills near the 
>> frozen foods isles.
>>
>>
>>
>> >* On Dec 14, 2023, at 9:50 AM, DJCP > ><https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln>> wrote:
>> *> >* Hello! Does anyone know the closest place I can get a sodastream CO2 
>> refill canister?
>> *>* Thanks!
>> *>* Diana
>> *>* Giles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What am I doing wrong with my hummingbird feeder?

[DJCP]

I had something hanging in my window in front of the hummingbird feeder
that scared off the birds. It was an owl shaped thing made if shiny
matetial bc I had birds flying into my window. Anything like that?
Diana

On Mon, May 6, 2024, 12:55 PM Rob Haslinger  wrote:

> So a week ago I hung up a hummingbird feeder. I’ve seen three of the
> little guys come and check it out and then fly away without drinking. So I
> must be doing something wrong. I did 1 part sugar to 4 parts water. I’ve
> also been changing it out so I don’t think the nectar has gone bad.
>
> Anyone have any tips or tricks?
>
> Thanks!!
> Rob Haslinger
> South Great Road
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[LincolnTalk] Recommendation for groomer for good "puppy cut" for golden

[DJCP]

We're new to this but want to try a "puppy cut" for our heat-hating golden
retriever. I've read it can be a bit tricky to not cut too far into the
undercoat. Any good groomers you can suggest? Thanks!
Diana
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Coincidence or Conspiracy?

[DJCP]

I had that happen a few years ago and then read in the squirrel that
someone was stealing mail from the post office drop box behind the
building. I did have someone try and cash a fraudulent check before the
scheme was discovered. The post office has since removed that drop box and
changed the one in front to one that's presumably harder to tamper with.
But maybe there's a new scheme?

On Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 10:21 AM RAandBOB  wrote:

> Yes, many times. One time it was the property tax payment. I wound up
> having to pay $120 penalty for a late payment.🙄
>
> Ruth Ann
> (She, her, hers)
>
> > On Jun 10, 2024, at 10:18 AM, Peter von Mertens <
> petervonmert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Yesterday I received notice from a tradesman that I had not paid them.
> But when I looked at my records I noticed I had sent them a check in early
> May.  This is the second time this spring that a check that I think I
> mailed has gone missing.   And after watching "Mr Bates vs the Post Office"
> on PBS ( a true story about how a computer system in Great Britain robs
> hundreds of local post masters of their wealth and lives )  I wonder if
> others have experienced that same problem, i.e. a check getting lost in the
> mail?
> >
> > Peace Peter
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[LincolnTalk] Looking for someone to make a window seat cushion

[DJCP]

Hi,
I need a cushion made in the shape of a wide, angular "u".  Any recs?
Thanks
Diana
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln School Projected Class Size

[DJCP]

You know what frugality I would have liked to see? The school reno project
passing however many years ago with state funding so we wouldn't have had
the $90+ million project. Versus shaving, what, generously estimating here,
a few thousand dollars off the price of educating each of our less than one
thousand students in our district?
Diana
Giles rd

On Thu, Feb 2, 2023, 4:10 PM Jennifer Saffran 
wrote:

> I would like to remind people that, yes, Lincoln is, on average, a
> privileged town, but that doesn’t mean everyone in it is “privileged”. (By
> privileged, I assume that means a high per household income.) It is easy to
> see the incredible beauty and assets of Lincoln and its residents as
> somehow set apart, to be, as it were, even a bit self-congratulatory. Along
> with an awareness of “privilege”, another “Yankee cultural value” is also
> thrift. My point is that referencing to well-worn ideas of identity is not
> really a way to make school funding and planning decisions. Lincoln is one
> of MANY districts in the Commonwealth of Mass. that are excellent. Not all
> are on the Route 2 corridor, either. Luckily, in MA, we have many excellent
> school districts to use as models of success.
>
> For example, in one of the many emails, Southboro was listed as the top
> performing school at the elementary level. My children were educated in
> that district. Class sizes were capped at 22 per licensed teacher, and 24
> at the regional high school (ARHS—Algonquin). The year my son graduated,
> they sent 5 students to Harvard. Additionally, ARHS has received the
> Special Olympics International’s designation as a Special Olympics Unified
> Champion School TWICE. There are only 160 of these schools in the nation.
>
> My point is that it is possible to be excellent in many ways, meeting the
> needs of all students, without disregarding what is considered “best
> practices” in other school districts who have documented successes. I would
> invite us all to look outward as well as inward when making plans for the
> upcoming years.
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Free: large puppy piddle pads TAKEN

[DJCP]

Thanks

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023, 7:59 PM DJCP  wrote:

> About half a box left
> Diana
> Giles Rd
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[LincolnTalk] Plug for Acton Asian Market

[DJCP]

I just wanted to share that the Acton Asian Market (in Acton, of course)
opened recently and it's great!  Lots of fresh produce, seasonings, and
packaged foods.  There is also a cafe inside with a modest menu.  If you
call in advance, you can even order peking duck!  Check it out!
https://www.facebook.com/ActonAsianMarketTeam/

Diana
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[LincolnTalk] Girl Scout Cradles to Crayons Collection

[DJCP]

The 4th Grade Girl Scouts are collecting donations to Cradles to Crayons in
advance of their service trip next week.  Most needed donations include
clothing (up to adult medium), jackets, and shoes.  Here

is a link explaining their quality/donation guidelines (e.g., no family or
business references), and here

is a full list of what they accept.  Donations may be dropped off in the
school main office, or can be dropped off at a leaders' house.  Please
reply to me directly for more information.
Diana
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[LincolnTalk] Free asparagus crowns

[DJCP]

I got way more than I can fit. Does anyone want some?  I have about 70
maybe. Donation to the food pantry optional if possible.

Diana
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[LincolnTalk] Asparagus crowns TAKEN

[DJCP]

with many backups. I'm working thru the list. Thanks
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[LincolnTalk] ISO baby pool - hard sided

[DJCP]

Before we buy new, does anyone have a hard-sided pool to give away or
sell?  Our dogs would really like to splash around.  (Soft ones won't do as
they get chewed up. 🙄)

Diana
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Re: [LincolnTalk] seeking mouse exterminator

[DJCP]

We have aggressively sealed up any and all potential holes in our house and
then use snap traps. We still catch a few every year but it's gotten a lot
better than when we started.
Diana
Giles Rd

On Sat, Jul 15, 2023, 8:04 AM Debra Daugherty  wrote:

> Also, outdoor cats kill birds, which isn't good. On the other hand,
> poisoning mice (who then leave the house sick and easy prey) kills mouse
> predators, which also isn't good (and creates a vicious circle). Does
> anyone have success with trapping?
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 7:14 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> One must not be allergic….
>>
>> And some cats are too lazy to hunt, ignore the mice, or are afraid of
>> them!
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>>
>> On Friday, July 14, 2023, 9:45 PM, June L Matthews 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I’m surprised that no one has offered the obvious solution – get a cat!
>>
>> June
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Karen
>> Seo
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2023 7:34 PM
>> *To:* lincoln@lincolntalk.org
>> *Cc:* k...@alum.mit.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] seeking mouse exterminator
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you to all who replied -- Mice are clearly a common problem in
>> Lincoln.😁  Here's a summary of the recommendations so far. I would note
>> that it is a bigger problem to find someone who has time to help than it is
>> to find someone who does a good job.  Will let you know the outcome.
>>
>>- Waltham Chemical 978-771-9767
>>- Colonial Pest
>>  1-800-525-8084
>>- Bionomic Pest Solutions--Justin Hedlund 401-261-7240
>>- Proof Pest   617-855-9700
>>- Aardvark Pest Control -- Karla Tomlinson  617-323-8638
>>- Gary's Wildlife508-946-0060
>>- Concord Carlisle Pest Control --Matt Carr  978-866-0552
>>- Terminix --Chris
>> 855-847-0270
>>- GreenHow
>> 617-964-4733
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Mahjong

[DJCP]

I signed up with a few other ppl for the adult Ed class at LSRHS. The class
was canceled due to an instructor issue but I believe they are going to try
and hold it again. In the meantime, I would be interested if something else
pops up!
Diana
Giles Rd

On Wed, Jul 19, 2023, 1:05 PM Ellen Waldron 
wrote:

> Hi Sandy,
> I learned MahJong at the COA just before the pandemic and have been hoping
> they would start a group again. I think I let the COA know my interest but
> if need be I can always confirm it.
>
>
> ellen
> 617 281.2090
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> > On Jul 19, 2023, at 12:31 PM, Sandra Bradlee 
> wrote:
> >
> > I’m interested in learning Mahjong in Lincoln area.   Does anyone have
> any information?  The COA is keeping a list of interested people, but won’t
> give a class unless there is enough interest to hire an instructor.
> > Sandy
> > 617-840-2321
> >
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[LincolnTalk] Help with bees under outdoor trim!

[DJCP]

We seem to have a honey bee colony making itself at home under some trim by
our front door. Does anyone have recommendations for a service that will
remove the bees without killing them?
Thanks
Diana
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[LincolnTalk] Free plant cuttings

[DJCP]

I've got a monstera and some ivy (good for indoor air quality! ) cuttings
that are starting to grow new roots that I'd like to pass on. Just come
with a container!
Diana
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Free plant cuttings TAKEN

[DJCP]

On Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 12:36 PM DJCP  wrote:

> I've got a monstera and some ivy (good for indoor air quality! ) cuttings
> that are starting to grow new roots that I'd like to pass on. Just come
> with a container!
> Diana
> Giles rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] For sale: new codman storm bathing suit sz 10 TAKEN

[DJCP]

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 12:57 PM DJCP  wrote:

> From last year. They run small and was tight on my then 6yo.
> $10
> Diana
> Giles rd
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[LincolnTalk] Clek Foonf/Fllo Recall

[DJCP]

I believe I gave away one of these car seats here.  Even if I didn't, I
think it's worth sharing that there has been a recall - kids have been
digging into where the buckle comes out and getting at the foam.  You can
order a piece to cover it up.  More info here:
https://clekinc.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2021/12/NHTSA-Recall-Notice-for-Website-FINAL-Updated-DEC22.pdf
Diana
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Accountant Reccs?

[DJCP]

We've been happy with Rebecca DeWolfe at Paresky Flitt in Wayland.
Diana

On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, 8:28 PM jsug (null) via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> A hot topic this time of year, but do you have an accountant you really
> love? We have someone reliable, but for 2022, am ready to shop around.
>
> Thanks!
> Julianne
>
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[LincolnTalk] Reminder: PTO Bike Sale

[DJCP]

The Lincoln School PTO is collecting bikes (of all sizes) and any other
wheeled vehicles/toys to sell on Sunday May 1, 10am-1pm at the Mall at
Lincoln Station.

The PTO is excited to partner with BPAC (Bicycle and Pedestrian Action
Committee), who will be hosting a tune-up clinic at the same time.

Donations can be dropped off in Lincoln at:

   - 151 Tower Rd (Julianne Schwarzer)
   - 17 Giles Rd (Diana Jong)
   - 4 Garland (Kim Goldmacher)

If you’d like items picked up, fill out this quick Google form
,
and our volunteers will be in touch.  Thank you for helping us prep for
Walk, Bike, and Roll to School week!
Diana (Giles Rd)
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[LincolnTalk] Mesh bed canopy and/or fabric

[DJCP]

My kids more or less have outgrown these (and anyway they sleep next to the
puppy's crate 😂). The mesh one is in excellent shape. The yellow one has
some tears along the ring but still serves its intended purpose. But
perhaps you want to repurpose the cotton fabric?

Diana
Giles rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] LS continues to slip

[DJCP]

My kids are still young and in elementary school, but these rankings are
next to meaningless.  Fun to look at, but have no direct correlation to
real life achievement.  I have no qualms at this point about sending my
kids to LS.

Diana Jong
Giles Rd

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 8:56 AM Tom Kennedy 
wrote:

> LS is down to #85 in the state while towns all around us excel. Very
> disappointing.
>
>
> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/04/26/metro/heres-look-top-ranked-massachus
> etts-high-schools-according-2022-us-news-world-report/
> 
>
> Tom
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Pizza places

[DJCP]

We like Giacomos in Wayland
Our household is very divided I er country pizza 😂
Diana
Giles rd

On Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 6:13 PM stephanie kramp via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> We really like Max & Leo's on route 117 (it was a Mexican restaurant a
> long time ago).  You can eat in or take out and you can even buy the dough
> to make your own pizza at home.  It is the thin, crisp, well-done crust
> style of pizza.
> Divertiti!!
> Stephanie
>
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022, 05:21:00 PM EDT, Elizabeth Maciolek <
> elizabethmaciol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Any recommendations for good pizza in our area?
>
> Elizabeth Maciolek
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Re: [LincolnTalk] FS for Lincoln METCO: Charlotte Wein signed original oil painting $168

[DJCP]

I think you're confusing the freedom to express an opinion, which there is,
with insisting that everyone agree with you on an issue, which there isn't.

It was already agreed that a warning would be put on any post with nudes,
which seems fair and considerate. Asking any more infringes on the rights
of the poster.

Diana
Giles rd

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 12:57 AM Dan Paul  wrote:

> It’s amazing how little consideration is given by  “liberal Lincoln” to
> those who may have differing opinions or sensibilities.
>
> On Apr 28, 2022, at 10:12 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>  Thank you 🙏
>
> I wish all of you could meet this incredible artist, Charlotte Wein, who I
> met for the first time yesterday.
>
> She is absolutely incredible.
>
>
> She
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022, 10:03 PM, kathryn Corbin <
> corbindes...@brown-corbin.com> wrote:
>
> Agree completely, as my comment, somewhere in this string, mentioned.
> Kathryn Corbin
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Please excuse any typos,
> (which I declare are the exclusive fault of auto spell-check!)
>
> On Apr 28, 2022, at 9:56 PM, Vicki Konstandakis 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I'm sorry ladies, the goal of these emails is to raise money for Metco and
> not to make anyone feel uncomfortable about their preferences. We all have
> different tastes and we all choose to hang what gives us pleasure in our
> homes.  It does not need to become a life lesson.  I'm sure there are lots
> of people on both sides of the fence.  Joanna has done an amazing job of
> not only listing art but also trying to give background on the items.   I
> think it is a simple consideration for those that are a little shy.  Not a
> moral issue.
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 6:24 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> Amen-well said, Kathy!
>
> Does the MFA have a sign out front, alerting all who enter there are nudes
> inside?
> And, I don’t remember any “warning” when I approached Michelangelo’s
> “David”
> And, I do recall full frontal nudity on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.
>
> oops….
>
> --
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>
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2022, at 4:00 PM, kathryn corbin 
> wrote:
>
> Personally, I’m rather shocked by all of this. Would we avoid a room in a
> museum because we might encounter paintings of nudes there? Paintings are
> not porn, for heaven’s sake, and every artist any of us admire painted from
> nude models in art school as part of their training AND HAVE BEEN DOING SO
> FOR CENTURIES!
> Of all the things to get one’s knickers in a twist about, nudes generously
> donated to raise funds for METCO. Seriously?
> Kathryn Corbin, fine arts lover
> Kathryn Corbin
> corbindes...@brown-corbin.com
> M: 617-513-6241
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Please excuse typos, (including those generated by Spell Check, the bane
> of our online lives!)
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2022, at 3:53 PM, Anne Warner  wrote:
>
> 
> Yes, that would solve the issue. I can't tell you how many replies I'm
> getting from people who have been offended by the male genitalia one in
> particular.  Notably, none of them have chosen to object publicly!!
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 3:11 PM  wrote:
>
>
> Perhaps including "Nude" in the subject line would alert those who would
> rather not view the artwork ?
>
>
> -- Original message --
>
> From: sabradal...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu Apr 28 15:01:13 EDT 2022
> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] FS for Lincoln METCO: Charlotte Wein signed
> original oil painting $168
> To: warneran...@gmail.com;
>
>
> I think they are elegant, beautiful and respectful of the feminine form.
>
> This home has no problem with them.
>
> Sabra
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Anne Warner wrote:
>
> 
> Is anyone else uncomfortable with art depicting full body nudity,
> including graphic depictions of genitalia, being posted on Lincoln Talk?
> Call me old fashioned, but I feel that maybe not everyone would want their
> children to see this pictures? Maybe a better way would be to let people
> know that there are some paintings of nudes being sold, and offering to
> send them pix only if they request?  I know this is going to open a barrage
> of emails saying that I am a prude, and that the human body is beautiful
> and worthy of art, ya de ya de, but I'm just sayin'.Anne Warner
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 2:40 PM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> For sale, with 100% of all proceeds going to the Lincoln METCO
> Coordinating Committee, a 501(c)3 here in Lincoln:
>
> Charlotte Wein signed original oil painting of nude, drawn from life
>
> 24.5” X 36.5”
>
> $168
>
> [image: IMG_7237.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG_7238.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG_7239.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG_7240.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG_7241.JPG]
>
> About the artist:
>
> Charlotte Wein was born in New York City in the 1940’s.
>
> She was an art major at Brooklyn College and she studied art at the
> B

[LincolnTalk] how to find property bill number

[DJCP]

I have not yet received my property tax bill and it is due Monday.  I need
the tax bill number for online payment, but it's on the bill.  Does anyone
know how to look up this number?
Thanks,
Diana
Giles Rd
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[LincolnTalk] Where can I get straw for my veggie garden?

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I've read that putting down straw can help cut down on weeds. Does anyone
know where I can get some? A farm maybe...?
Thanks,
Diana
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[LincolnTalk] Scat identification help?

[DJCP]

Can anyone identify this scat? It was on the grass on the edge of our
property. Small raspberries for scale.

Thanks!
Diana
Giles rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Town Billing Needs To Switch To Paperless & Remedy Their Errors

[DJCP]

Yup.  We didn't receive our excise or property tax bills.  And I only
remembered to pay our property tax bill because I have it calendered.

The town did say they would waive late fees for the property tax, though.

Diana
Giles Rd

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 10:01 AM Forest Brown 
wrote:

> Hello LT,
>
> I have received two pink slips this season, one for property tax, and
> yesterday one for utilities. Neither of the original bills had been
> delivered to my mailbox.
>
> In all my years in Lincoln I have never been late on a bill. When I called
> the Town Clerk and Town all they had to say is that it is my fault because
> that had been sent out. Apparently hundreds of other residents also did not
> receive their bills, but I was not on their list so they are unwilling to
> waive my fees.
>
> It is 2022, why would e mail not me an appropriate solution to this? As a
> town who values sustainability, it surprises me we have not switched over
> to paperless billing.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Becca
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Trails Continuance

[DJCP]

Or maybe just chill out about bikers?

Diana
Giles Rd

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 10:24 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Well, conclusions reached would suggest we ban walkers and horses, and
> bring on trial bikes and motorized vehicles!
> Really?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 21, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Here's an article that summarizes the research on trail impacts of various
> users:
>
>
> https://www.americantrails.org/resources/comparing-relative-impacts-of-various-trail-user-groups
>
> (The second half of the article discusses policy implications for the
> author's jurisdiction, which may not be applicable here).
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 7:16 AM John Mendelson 
> wrote:
>
>> Forgive me, Sara, my history was a bit off.
>>
>> Changes were made almost 30 years ago, not 40.  Please see the attached
>> article which also notes that the commission should "work with interested
>> groups to ensure adequate off-road biking opportunities for younger people
>> ". Prior to 1996, to the best of my knowledge, biking was allowed on all
>> trails, similar to horseback riding.
>>
>> Further, and I quote directly from the conservation department's website:
>>
>> Conservation Land Management Staff work to balance natural-resource
>> preservation with passive recreation on approximately 1600-acres of
>> municipal conservation land. Together, with Land Trust Staff, they manage
>> approximately 80 miles of trails. In addition, they work on the following
>> programs.
>>
>> (You can read the rest here:
>> https://www.lincolntown.org/411/Land-Stewardship-Trails)
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022, 11:50 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>> Your history is a bit off.
>>> It was not 40 year ago, or even 20.
>>> Lincoln was making decision consistent with Mass General Law  Part 1,
>>> Title VII, Chpt.40, Section 8C, the charge to the Con.Comm., the stewards
>>> of our open space and trails
>>> "Section 8C: Conservation commission; establishment; powers and 
>>> dutiesSection
>>> 8C. A city or town which accepts this section may establish a conservation
>>> commission, hereinafter called the commission, for the promotion and
>>> development of the natural resources and for the protection of watershed
>>> resources of said city or town.”
>>> No where in the charge does it say that the Con. Comms must provide for
>>> bike trails for recreation.
>>>
>>> Lincoln was forward-thinking in its early adoption of a Con. Comm. and
>>> it’s acquisition of open space for preservation for all for all time.
>>> We should remain mindful of the purpose for our protected lands and the
>>> duty of the Conservation Commission.
>>>
>>> We have already provided for walkers, bikers, dog walkers in such a way
>>> as to honor the intent of those who invested in our public lands and those
>>> who are charged with its stewardship.
>>> Expanding trails for mountain biking were not the intent nor consistent
>>> with the charge.
>>>
>>> Sara
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ll just address one point here.. I can assure you that our current
>>> guidelines are not exclusionary. I walk every day Monday-Friday, 50 weeks
>>> out of the year, with people from Sudbury, Concord, Lincoln and Maynard.
>>> I’ve made friends walking with people from Weston, Waltham and beyond.
>>> These walkers from beyond Lincoln cherish our current guidelines and
>>> appreciate Lincoln’s stewardship of nature and wildlife.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 6:31 PM John Mendelson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You are thinking back to a different time, Sara.  Our roads were
 safer.  Trail biking was in its infancy.  I could go on.  Just because
 excluding bikes was the right decision 40 years ago doesn't mean it is the
 right decision today.

 Trail bikers are just as likely to be stewards of the trails and the
 environment as those wanting quiet contemplation.  Why should we make a
 value judgement that one use is more important than another?  Why is
 walking and horseback riding more important to the community than biking?
 Our current and proposed trail use policy says that walking and horseback
 riding are in fact more important and I think that is plain wrong and not
 in sync with the values the town otherwise espouses.

 John

 On Mon, Jun 20, 2022, 5:09 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> I would strongly disagree with the general statement that we are
> perceived as “an island of exclusion,” because of our current trail
> policies.
> The number of cars parked along our roadways all during the pandemic,
> and the walkers that came from them would say otherwise.
> We are *well-known* for the relative peacefulness of our trails, as
> opposed to those towns that have a larger number of bikes on them.
>
> The number of fast moving bikes and mountain bikes that were here
> during Mike Far

Re: [LincolnTalk] biking on conservation land

[DJCP]

I cannot believe given recent news that this conversation has devolved to
the point of invoking John Quincy Adams. As if it even remotely matters
what a privileged white male who died hundreds of years ago thinks, or even
that anyone short of a Supreme Court Justice has the ability to divine his
thoughts. 🙄(And what would he think of me communicating via
emoji??!!)
Diana
Giles Rd


On Tue, Jul 5, 2022, 5:27 PM Gordon Woodington 
wrote:

> Horse hooves promote water absorption by their imprint, a good thing, not
> run-off as bike ruts do.   So I think Quincy would be ok.  I will bet that
> he would not like bikes be permitted on the trails in Adams Woods.
> "Original intent"  to use a recently invoked term.  Who will foot the bill
> to repair bike rut damage? Yet another unprovisioned expense.
>
> Gordon Woodington
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 12:15 PM Leslie Turek 
> wrote:
>
>> >>For example, I see no need to allow them in the idyllic Adams Woods.
>> Quincy would roll over in his grave.
>>
>> I'm not taking a stand for or against bikes on the trails, but I have to
>> say this statement made me giggle a bit. According to Tom Gumbart, who used
>> to lead our conservation walks through Adams Woods, some of the trails
>> there are depressed below grade because Adams and his friends used to
>> gallop horses down the narrow trails. The 19th-century equivalent to dirt
>> bikes? So not sure he would be rolling over in his grave.
>>
>> Leslie Turek
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 11:43 AM John Kimball 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John Kimball, here since 1972. I have voted for every conservation
>>> purchase since, and have very little sympathy for bikes on conservation
>>> land. Bikes do not use the roadside paths but feel entitled to use the
>>> roads, and I have no confidence that they would confine themselves to
>>> approved conservation trails. For example, I see no need to allow them in
>>> the idyllic Adams Woods. Quincy would roll over in his grave.
>>> Speed seems to be the norm for bikes and the thrill of going downhill
>>> over rocks and roots. Look out below for all mere pedestrians. Bikes should
>>> not be allowed on any narrow paths where they may run into walkers and
>>> especially children. Bikes and dogs are even more incompatible. I strongly
>>> oppose the vast proposed expansion of bike trails.
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[LincolnTalk] Free Codman Storm Sz 28 suit

[DJCP]

My kid wore this last summer as a tall rising 1st grader.
I can leave it in my mailbox for you to pickup.
Diana
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Free Codman Storm Sz 28 suit - CLAIMED

[DJCP]

w/ backups.  Thanks!

On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 7:53 AM DJCP  wrote:

> My kid wore this last summer as a tall rising 1st grader.
> I can leave it in my mailbox for you to pickup.
> Diana
> Giles Rd
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[LincolnTalk] Free kid life jackets

[DJCP]

Only a few years old, bought from Costco, very lightly used.
One is for 50-90lbs, the other is 30-50lbs.
Please take both if possible
Diana
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Free kid life jackets - CLAIMED

[DJCP]

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 9:37 AM DJCP  wrote:

> Only a few years old, bought from Costco, very lightly used.
> One is for 50-90lbs, the other is 30-50lbs.
> Please take both if possible
> Diana
> Giles rd
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] power outage conant road

[DJCP]

There's also an Eversource app that is helpful for reporting outages and
checking on status of outages, but I have so little cell reception at home
that I have a hard time using it when the power is out...

Diana
Giles Rd

PS Welcome to Lincoln Marit and Jonathan

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 10:05 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Welcome to Coant Road!
> We look forward to meeting you when you make the move.
> Email me your address so we can make proper introductions.
>
>
> As for generators, a good one kicks in automatically and you should not
> experience interruptions.
> This convenience comes at a cost.
> We held off for years (30), but finally said, "enough is enough” and we
> are very glad we did.
>
> There are 2 basic choices in brands-Generac and Kohler.
> Having someone who is reliable to service is key
>
> Eversource is now saying service will be back on by 1PM, but those of us
> who have “enjoyed “ Eversource’s “service” know to take that with a grain
> of salt.
> Phone updates have a history of moving that time back and back!
>
> Best,
> Sara
> 71 Conant
>
>
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Jonathan Sheffi  wrote:
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> We are also about to move to Conant Rd, but haven't moved in yet. We could
> use generator help as well: does it kick on automatically? If so, does it
> turn off automatically too?
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 9:48 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> Yes, outages on Conant and neighborhood (Browns Wood).
>> Be sure and report your outage to Eversource.
>> Repairs can take a while, esp. if they do not hear that is it area-wide
>>
>> Sara
>> PS-Welcome to the neighborhood.
>> We are at 71.
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 25, 2022, at 8:52 AM, Marit van Buuren 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Good morning,
>> >
>> > Is anyone else out of power on conant road?
>> > We've just moved in and are yet to figure out how our generator works
>> (it's not connected yet).
>> > How long does it typically take for eversource to get the power back
>> on?
>> >
>> > Thanks, Marit
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[LincolnTalk] Do you like kohlrabi?

[DJCP]

Do you want mine from my CSA? I've got one large one and 2 small ones. 😊
Diana
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[LincolnTalk] Babysitter in Boston needed

[DJCP]

Hi, we are going to a wedding in Boston late this month and are staying at
overnight in the city. We'll have our kids (9 and 7) with us and are
looking for someone who can hang out with them and put them to bed and stay
until we return. Does anyone have a college kid in the city or know anyone
willing to do this?
Thanks!
Diana
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[LincolnTalk] ISO House for sale

[DJCP]

I know this is a long shot, but former neighbors of ours in Somerville have
been househunting for literally years and are expanding their search to
Lincoln - finally (!!) realizing what a gem of a town this is.  They are
lovely, civic-minded people and have a young son and a second due to arrive
any minute. If anyone is thinking about putting their house on the market
soon and would consider speaking with them, please let me know.  I would
love to be able to help pull this off for them.

Thanks,
Diana
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[LincolnTalk] Electric fence installer recommendations?

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Thank you!
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[LincolnTalk] Free new in box smoke alarms

[DJCP]

I have about 7 of these battery operated first alert brand smoke alarms.
They are about 2 years old but have just been sitting in a box, unopened,
except for this one I just opened now to see the brand.

My husband ordered the wrong kind (we have a wired system) and forgot to
return these and also forgot to tell me these were sitting around.

Diana
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Free new in box smoke alarms TAKEN

[DJCP]

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022, 10:22 AM DJCP  wrote:

> I have about 7 of these battery operated first alert brand smoke alarms.
> They are about 2 years old but have just been sitting in a box, unopened,
> except for this one I just opened now to see the brand.
>
> My husband ordered the wrong kind (we have a wired system) and forgot to
> return these and also forgot to tell me these were sitting around.
>
> Diana
> Giles rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Indigenous Peoples' Day

[DJCP]

I love seeing this initiative from Lincoln students!
Diana
Giles Rd

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 9:47 AM Elder, Peggy  wrote:

> *Public Notice*
>
>
>
> *Renaming of Columbus Day*
>
>
>
> Last spring, Lincoln students wrote to the Select Board to request that
> the Town change the name of the Columbus Day holiday to Indigenous Peoples’
> Day.  The Board will discuss the proposal during its September 19th
> meeting, and likely take the matter under advisement until its October 3rd
> meeting to provide residents the opportunity to share their views before a
> vote is taken.  The Select Board’s meetings are held in a hybrid format,
> creating the opportunity for residents to attend in-person or via Zoom.
>
>
>
> The Zoom link for the meeting is:
> https://zoom.us/j/91832375325?pwd=aXRpdnlJWHJINnZzd0xOQW9ZTjIvdz09
>
>
>
> Those who are unable to attend in-person or via Zoom, but would like to
> provide input are welcome to e-mail the Board care of our Administrative
> Assistant, Peggy Elder (eld...@lincolntown.org).  We welcome your views.
>
>
>
> Jennifer Glass, Chair
>
> Jonathan Dwyer
>
> Jim Hutchinson
>
> Lincoln Select Board
>
>
>
> =
>
>
>
> *Peggy Elder*
>
>
> *Administrative Assistant to the Select Board*
>
> *And Town Administrator*
>
> *Town of Lincoln*
>
> *(*
> *Direct 781-259-2601  *Email **eld...@lincolntown.org*
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[DJCP]

My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the
Pods for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging
around after school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school
building was before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but
significant overhaul of the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs
are only going to go up if we put the project off.  And I like the idea of
rolling the senior center into the school campus as it would be nice to
have the communities intersect more.  (The Girl Scouts in particular
already do service projects for the COA&HS and it would be great to expand
that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me but the community,
but I hope everyone can keep an open mind.

Diana
Giles Rd

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes  wrote:

> Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this
> project also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost
> to sustain those/replace them going forward. That might or might not factor
> into the overall cost and design we are seeing.
>
> There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to
> go back and watch them to be better educated.
>
> https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQs
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?
>>
>> I do think low cost *access* to indoor year-round swimming is important
>> for our older population.
>>
>> Many might find $199 a year to be a lot.
>>
>> If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for
>> seniors that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic
>> health & fitness facilities.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede <
>> maureensbeedeem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for
>> $199/year if over 80.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be
>> granted *certain* access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness
>> facilities at Hanscom?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes <
>> elainehaw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s
>> something I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class
>> of 1971)and have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior
>> senior, and do think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how
>> many older adults in town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a
>> greater worry about high property taxes and whether we can afford to
>> continue to pay them if a community center is built.
>>
>> “If you build it they will come” (
>> https://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35385) Is this true,
>> particularly with ongoing concerns about covid and availability of
>> classes and meetings on Zoom?
>>
>> There are few offerings for adults through the Rec Department. Is that
>> from lack of space or lack of interest? Most people I know go out of town
>> for programs.
>>
>> I’m not happy with the design which appears to have a lot of wasted space
>> in its “open concept”. With heating prices going up, how much will it cost
>> to heat this big building?
>>
>> I also think the world has changed since 2017 when this community center
>> was first discussed.  I would rather the town spend its money on mixed
>> income housing, for example, which it needs. And, Lincoln’s older homebound
>> adults could stay in their homes if they had more services paid for by the
>> town. This would be a good use of money for seniors.
>>
>> Lastly, if an expensive community center must be built, can we at the
>> same time look at allowing more Lincoln homes to build accessory apartments
>> and backyard cottages? This would help seniors pay their higher taxes, and
>> stay in their large homes while benefiting non-high income folks looking
>> for Lincoln housing.
>>
>> Elaine
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[LincolnTalk] ISO chocolate fountain

[DJCP]

Please help me make a little girl's birthday wish come true.  Happy to
borrow or buy for a reasonable price.
Thanks,
Diana
Giles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question

[DJCP]

Arguably it's the most useful feature of LT.
Diana
Giles Rd

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 9:45 AM Kathryn Anagnostakis <
kanagnosta...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why would that change be wanted/positive?  Having a way to give away or
> sell locally things you no longer need is good for everyone and the land
> fill.
>
> Sincerely,
> Kathryn Anagnostakis
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 2022, at 9:20 AM, Elizabeth Maciolek <
> elizabethmaciol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello
> > Wondering kind of new to platform. I also joined Lexington as we work in
> Lexington. There Group discussed not allowing the site to be a yard sale,
> to sell things, give things away, etc.
> > Is there a chance Lincon Talks would consider only discussion formats,
> and not for selling stuff?
> > What do you think? I appreciate your listening from a newbie.
> > Thank you.
> >
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[LincolnTalk] Free blind box etc toys

[DJCP]

These bribes, I mean, prizes, no longer spark joy in my kids. Maybe they
will yours?
Mostly Moana, one Thomas, one my little pony.
Easy porch pickup.

Diana
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center

[DJCP]

The school is bustling after school with plays and musicals and music
lessons and school sports but parks and rec activities take place in the
pods and around town. For example, farmer friends at Codman and musical
theater which is currently at First Parish. The fact that theater is off
campus is a hindrance for young kids with no grown up to accompany them.
Walking from school to the church requires crossing a busy road at least
twice, only one of which has a crossing guard. (And please, do not suggest
the town hire another crossing guard.  That is not the answer.)

In my opinion, one of the greatest benefits of living in Lincoln is how
much independence the kids get from being on campus and walking around, and
how much access they have to enrichment activities such as music lessons
and parks and rec activities, which do not require an adult to take off
work / work from home / be a stay at home parent.

Diana
Giles Rd


On Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 10:51 AM melinda bruno-smith 
wrote:

> Hi Andy,
> Wouldn't after-school programs be in the school?
> melinda
> --
> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Andy Wang <
> andyrw...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 26, 2022 8:38 AM
> *To:* June L Matthews 
> *Cc:* LincolnTalk ; Margaret P Flint <
> margaretpfl...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center
>
> In the discussion above, I'm unclear if folks are advocating for a
> community center (both COA and Parks & Rec) or a senior center (and keep
> Parks & Rec in the pods) in the spaces around Lincoln Station.  But just
> some additional food for thought, on the Parks and Rec side, I believe that
> it was viewed as important to keep spaces accessible to the school campus.
> With the programs for kids, it is convenient for kids to be able to get to
> those programs easily. Not all kids are old enough to walk over by
> themselves.  LEAP also takes several of its kids over to the programs that
> parents sign up for and pick them up that may not be right after school.
>
> - Andy
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 8:15 AM June L Matthews  wrote:
>
> Excellent statement,  Ken!  I hope that the proposal to change gears and
> consider a community center at Lincoln Station gains some traction. I would
> vote in favor of allocating funds to study this option.  After reading the
> many comments and thinking carefully about the issues, I would not vote in
> favor of allocating funds directed only toward the Hartwell proposals.  I
> can’t remember, ten years ago, what led to the choice of this location.
> For all the reasons expressed by you and a few others, I believe that this
> choice, although well-intentioned, was misguided.  Let’s put the community
> center in the center of our community – accessible by foot or bike by many,
> and for those using their cars, adjacent to other essential services
> (groceries, post office, etc.)
>
>
>
> June Matthews
>
> Greenridge Lane
>
>
>
> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hurd
> *Sent:* Friday, November 25, 2022 9:55 PM
> *To:* LincolnTalk 
> *Cc:* Margaret P Flint 
> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Community Center
>
>
>
> Hello LincolnTalkers,
>
> I wish to applaud all those who have taken the time to revisit and
> question the financial pros and cons of building a community center at this
> time, and thanks particularly to those who have recently commented on the
> advisability of building it at the Hartwell site.
>
>
>
> I fully support building a new facility, but it has long been my opinion
> that such a major investment by the town should be deployed where it is
> most needed - namely in the Lincoln Station area.  For more than ten years
> since Town Meeting approved the Comprehensive Long Range Plan, in which the
> revitalization of Lincoln Station was overwhelmingly one of the highest
> priorities, the area has lain dormant and in serious need of a catalyst to
> jumpstart its transformation into the compact, vital, walkable village
> center that was a stated goal at the time.  A community center in such a
> location would be the equivalent of an anchor store in a retail setting,
> and by virtue of attracting more people on a regular basis, it would create
> more opportunities for a clustered cross-current of activities spawning
> greater social interaction.
>
>
>
> In my opinion, it would constitute the classic suburban planning error to
> create a new center that stands alone like the suburban mall accessible
> only by car.  In addition, because of school protocols, there would be very
> limited inter-generational co-mingling until after school hours, if at
> all.  And, even if there weren’t a greater  awareness about the effects of
> climate change, wouldn’t it make far more sense to locate a community
> center where there are already other crucial services such as the post
> office, grocery store, cleaners, a cafe and restaurant, etc.?
>
>
>
> If the vote for more funding fails at the Special Town Meeting next
> Wednesday evening, November 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center

[DJCP]

Yes, and multiple productions are held throughout the year. This is a a
parks and rec program. Because 1st graders can't do the middle school play.

On Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 12:03 PM melinda bruno-smith 
wrote:

> Our new school has a state-of-the-art theater for students , no?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Melinda Bruno-Smith
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2022, at 11:03 AM, DJCP  wrote:
>
> 
> The school is bustling after school with plays and musicals and music
> lessons and school sports but parks and rec activities take place in the
> pods and around town. For example, farmer friends at Codman and musical
> theater which is currently at First Parish. The fact that theater is off
> campus is a hindrance for young kids with no grown up to accompany them.
> Walking from school to the church requires crossing a busy road at least
> twice, only one of which has a crossing guard. (And please, do not
> suggest the town hire another crossing guard.  That is not the answer.)
>
> In my opinion, one of the greatest benefits of living in Lincoln is how
> much independence the kids get from being on campus and walking around,
> and how much access they have to enrichment activities such as music
> lessons and parks and rec activities, which do not require an adult to take
> off work / work from home / be a stay at home parent.
>
> Diana
> Giles Rd
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 10:51 AM melinda bruno-smith <
> melindabr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Andy,
>> Wouldn't after-school programs be in the school?
>> melinda
>> --
>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Andy Wang
>> 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 26, 2022 8:38 AM
>> *To:* June L Matthews 
>> *Cc:* LincolnTalk ; Margaret P Flint <
>> margaretpfl...@gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center
>>
>> In the discussion above, I'm unclear if folks are advocating for a
>> community center (both COA and Parks & Rec) or a senior center (and keep
>> Parks & Rec in the pods) in the spaces around Lincoln Station.  But just
>> some additional food for thought, on the Parks and Rec side, I believe that
>> it was viewed as important to keep spaces accessible to the school campus.
>> With the programs for kids, it is convenient for kids to be able to get to
>> those programs easily. Not all kids are old enough to walk over by
>> themselves.  LEAP also takes several of its kids over to the programs that
>> parents sign up for and pick them up that may not be right after school.
>>
>> - Andy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 8:15 AM June L Matthews  wrote:
>>
>> Excellent statement,  Ken!  I hope that the proposal to change gears and
>> consider a community center at Lincoln Station gains some traction. I would
>> vote in favor of allocating funds to study this option.  After reading the
>> many comments and thinking carefully about the issues, I would not vote in
>> favor of allocating funds directed only toward the Hartwell proposals.  I
>> can’t remember, ten years ago, what led to the choice of this location.
>> For all the reasons expressed by you and a few others, I believe that this
>> choice, although well-intentioned, was misguided.  Let’s put the community
>> center in the center of our community – accessible by foot or bike by many,
>> and for those using their cars, adjacent to other essential services
>> (groceries, post office, etc.)
>>
>>
>>
>> June Matthews
>>
>> Greenridge Lane
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hurd
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 25, 2022 9:55 PM
>> *To:* LincolnTalk 
>> *Cc:* Margaret P Flint 
>> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Community Center
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello LincolnTalkers,
>>
>> I wish to applaud all those who have taken the time to revisit and
>> question the financial pros and cons of building a community center at this
>> time, and thanks particularly to those who have recently commented on the
>> advisability of building it at the Hartwell site.
>>
>>
>>
>> I fully support building a new facility, but it has long been my opinion
>> that such a major investment by the town should be deployed where it is
>> most needed - namely in the Lincoln Station area.  For more than ten years
>> since Town Meeting approved the Comprehensive Long Range Plan, in which the
>> revitalization of Lincoln Station was overwhelmingly one of the highest
>> priorities, the area has lain dormant and in serious need of a catalyst to
>> jumpstart its transformat

Re: [LincolnTalk] Fwd: Letter of support

[DJCP]

Separate centers is what we have now! But in actuality parks and rec
doesn't have a center. They have space in the school they are allowed to
use.
Diana
Giles rd

On Sun, Nov 27, 2022, 10:59 AM Dennis Picker 
wrote:

> As I said in a previous post, the reason options other than the current
> pair of Ballfield Rd proposals were dismissed was because the options
> presented were constrained to follow the model of a single community center
> that encompassed all of parks and recreation and COA/human services.  The
> years of committee work NEVER gave adequate consideration to other
> approaches that did not require a single common facility.   The current
> statement from the Community Center Building Committee "Why Hartwell
> Campus" (
> https://lincolncommunitycenter.com/2022/11/11/why-would-the-community-center-be-on-the-hartwell-campus/)
> continues to stick to the rigid adherence to a model that claims the only
> way to address the needs of the COA and parks and recreation is to build a
> single shared facility on Ballfield Rd.  The claims of significant cost
> savings because most of the spaces would be shared between the uses of COA
> and parks and recreation are suspect.  They ignore the existence of several
> other perfectly good existing public meeting places in town that can be
> used for some COA activities.  They ignore the fact that COA
> fitness/exercise classes always could arrange to share use of parks and
> recreation facilities-- as long as it was not required that those classes
> be in the same location as the COA offices.  The claim that the only way to
> get the cost benefit of shared spaces is by building an entirely new
> building is just not true.
>
> Yes, if we delay, the costs of the two current proposals is likely to go
> up.  But that is not a reason to have never given fair consideration to an
> entirely different approach that could offer drastically lower costs while
> still meeting the needs.  It is a process failure that we spent almost 10
> years with tunnel vision that ruled out reasonable alternative approaches.
> But, that is not a reason to keep marching in that direction.  In addition,
> years ago when community center thinking converged on the current approach
> we did not know that we would spend $100 million on a new school.
>
> As for fundraising helping to offset the cost to taxpayers:  I am grateful
> that Lincoln has organizations such as the Friends of the Council on Aging
> and the Friends of the Lincoln Library to help enrich our public services
> beyond what taxes support.  It is good to hear that the Friends of the
> Council on Aging are committed to fundraising for a community center.  How
> much are they aiming for?  $100,000?  $5 million?  Until I see a
> fundraising goal along with some binding leadership pledges that would lead
> me to believe that the goal is attainable I will not factor this intangible
> offset into my evaluations of the tax burden of the project.
>
> Dennis Picker
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 11:52 PM sally kindleberger <
> skindleber...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wonderful letter Dilla!  As a member of the COA board, I am fully behind
>> moving forward with the funding of approximately $325,000 for the OPM &
>> Architect to explore how to best fund and support this worthy project.  I
>> keep saying this project has been in the works for ten years, with many
>> committees and meetings.  Many of the suggestions on Lincoln Talk such as a
>> change of location etc. were discussed long ago and dismissed.
>> Please don't shut everything down now!  *Don't throw out the baby with
>> the bathwater.*
>> *Let the fundraising committee do its thing.  We have lots of creative
>> thinkers in this town who can figure out ways to offset a substantial tax
>> increase.*
>> In closing, I am single and have never had kids, but I fully supported
>> the schools being built
>> If we keep delaying and shutting down the project all the previous work
>> that has been done will be for naught! We may never have a Community
>> Center, or by the time we get around to discussing it again prices will be
>> through the roof.
>> Thanks for listening to my concerns!
>> Sally
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 11:18 AM dilla tingley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please see the attached letter of support for the Lincoln Community
>>> Center.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Free west elm mirrored cabinet PENDING

[DJCP]

Thanks for the interest

On Sun, Nov 27, 2022, 12:27 PM DJCP  wrote:

> Good for sweaters and selfies.
> Very good condition. Can help you load it into your car.
> Would appreciate if you could pick up asap.
> Diana
> Giles rd
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Anonymous Mailing

[DJCP]

Oh nevermind. Her original message said email but she does mean physical
mail

On Tue, Nov 29, 2022, 12:33 PM DJCP  wrote:

> I think she means this email. I'm attaching a screenshot with the return
> address. Hard to say with bcc whether it came to my own email or the joint
> email I share with my husband and which I use for LT.
> Diana
> Giles rd
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2022, 12:28 PM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> Can someone post it so we can all see it?
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 12:20 PM, Dennis Picker <
>> dennis.pick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yiikes, that anonymous mailing is too bad.  I think people can see that I
>> am not shy about stating my case.  I know nothing and certainly had nothing
>> to do with this mailing.  BTW, I consider myself tech savvy, but I would
>> need tutoring to teach me how to send out a town-wide email let alone
>> making it anonymous :-)
>>
>> Dennis Picker
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 11:54 AM Barbara Low 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I just looked through my email today and found a town-wide mailing
>> against the Community Center proposal.
>>
>> Not a single name appears on this mailing piece. It is hard to take
>> seriously those who are either too embarrassed or afraid to identify
>> themselves. Who paid for this mailing? Are these Lincoln residents?
>>
>> Will someone take "credit" now?
>>
>> Barbara Low
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community center marriage of COA and Parks and Recreation

[DJCP]

My kids enjoy plenty of indoor parks and rec activities, including
gymnastics, minecraft/coding classes, art, science, and theater.  And, in
fact, when those classes run, my Girl Scout Troops often have a hard time
finding a place to meet in the Pods.  WE had to meet in the breakout room
in the school recently and we were basically locked in b/c once you leave
the building after hours, no one can let you in.  Plus we were not near an
easily accessible playground where the kids could burn off energy.  And I'm
not entirely sure I want to be responsible for a bunch of kids meeting in a
classroom after school hours and ensuring they keep their hands off all of
the classroom materials and projects.

Diana
Giles Rd

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:17 AM Peter Buchthal  wrote:

> Now is the time to vote NO on Warrant 1.
>
> I believe it is a false choice to think there are no other options for the
> town except Warrant #1, for $325,000.
>
> People seem enamored with the name "Community Center" without really
> looking at the space needs of both the COA and the Rec Department together.
>
> As the parent of three kids, most of the Parks and Rec Department
> programming that we use and love today is outdoors on a sports field,
> tennis court, pool, or school gym.  I can't imagine allocating a new indoor
> 12,500 sqf  facility  (1/2 of the Community Center) to the Parks and Rec
> program offerings.   Most indoor oriented Parks and Rec usage
> forecasts appear aspirational, not addressing defined needs.  Most of the
> offerings that are indoors, could surely be located in the new school after
> school hours at minimal extra cost.  From the 2018 Community Center Final
> Report "The PRD runs some programs on weekdays during school hours, such as
> exercise classes for adults, but most of its offerings are held for
> children after school, on weekday evenings, and on weekends."
>
> It is clear that the combination of Parks and Rec with the COA is a
> marriage of convenience and may not be a good use of tax dollars.  With few
> indoor activities outside of facilities provided today by the Gym, Parks
> and Rec hasn't justified their need for 12,500 sqf of new space.
>
> I propose a 2nd Warrant of 50K-75K that could be voted upon that would
> fund a proper current needs analysis.   The output of this study should be a 
> slimmed
> down COA that is no longer an architectural statement but a functional,
> clean and enjoyable COA.  This building could be a renovated Pierce, Bemis
> or new facility at Hartwell.
>
> A No vote on Warrant 1 is not a NO for everything, just this oversized,
> ill conceived marriage of COA and the Parks and  Recreation department
> called "Community Center"
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Re: [LincolnTalk] COMMUNITY CENTER

[DJCP]

Oh great, let's wash 10 years of work down the tube so we can start on a
new project.
Diana
Giles Rd

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:16 AM  wrote:

> Hello friends, I will *not *be voting in favor of the community center
> project now… for several reasons explained below.  If these considerations
> and others you have give you pause, I hope you will join those of us who
> are interested in further discussion.
>
>
>
> First, Lincoln’s once in  a generation Comprehensive Plan, approved at
> Town Meeting ~ten years ago prioritized revitalizing  our South Lincoln
> commercial center. *Without a vibrant place to gather, we risk becoming
> an inert, mono-culture suburb,* of increasingly high priced single family
> homes and residents who can afford them. A vital Mall at our center would
> be a place to gather, meet with friends, and exchange ideas with others who
> have diverse backgrounds and views.  Before locating a COA or Community
> Center building at the school property we should evaluate its potential to
> jump-start and support commercial and civic growth at the mall and help
> Lincoln slowly and steadily transition into the dynamic community we can
> be. It’s time.
>
>
>
> We haven’t had a thorough review of town goals or prioritized them since
> the Comprehensive Plan. If we choose to ignore the last Comprehensive Plan,
> let’s plan again. Let’s agree on priorities.
>
>
>
> There seems to be an ongoing, important, and complex discussion re the
> distinctions and requirements of a community center vs. a facility for our
> Council on Aging program….prudence dictates these  be thoroughly studied
> and resolved before being considered for funding by town meeting.
>
>
>
> And this project will cause real estate taxes to increase above the rate
> of inflation, again. It will be particularly troubling now for seniors
> living on a fixed income
>
>
>
>
>
> Let’s consider/reconsider these matters fully before we vote for a
> community center or a COA facility at school property. Let’s get this
> right. Please consider voting No.
>
>
>
> Best, Joe
>
> Joe Robbat
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[LincolnTalk] ISO Urgent Rec for Kid-Friendly Oral Surgeon

[DJCP]

After a not super pleasant experience with the oral surgeon recommended by
our pediatric dentist, I am hoping to find a new one who has a kid-friendly
chair-side manner, great front-office staff, and in-network with UNUM.  I'd
also like a unicorn.

But, seriously, I'm open to any recommendations.

Thanks,
Diana
Giles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community center marriage of COA and Parks and Recreation

[DJCP]

The Girl Scouts only use Bemis Hall to store supplies.  The troops I lead
meet after school on campus to minimize transportation issues.  We also try
to meet when the Boston late buses run so we can try and be more inclusive.


On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:45 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> We were told the Girl Scouts use Bemis Hall.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:24 AM, DJCP  wrote:
>
> 
> My kids enjoy plenty of indoor parks and rec activities, including
> gymnastics, minecraft/coding classes, art, science, and theater.  And, in
> fact, when those classes run, my Girl Scout Troops often have a hard time
> finding a place to meet in the Pods.  WE had to meet in the breakout room
> in the school recently and we were basically locked in b/c once you leave
> the building after hours, no one can let you in.  Plus we were not near an
> easily accessible playground where the kids could burn off energy.  And I'm
> not entirely sure I want to be responsible for a bunch of kids meeting in a
> classroom after school hours and ensuring they keep their hands off all of
> the classroom materials and projects.
>
> Diana
> Giles Rd
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:17 AM Peter Buchthal 
> wrote:
>
>> Now is the time to vote NO on Warrant 1.
>>
>> I believe it is a false choice to think there are no other options for
>> the town except Warrant #1, for $325,000.
>>
>> People seem enamored with the name "Community Center" without really
>> looking at the space needs of both the COA and the Rec Department together.
>>
>> As the parent of three kids, most of the Parks and Rec Department
>> programming that we use and love today is outdoors on a sports field,
>> tennis court, pool, or school gym.  I can't imagine allocating a new indoor
>> 12,500 sqf  facility  (1/2 of the Community Center) to the Parks and Rec
>> program offerings.   Most indoor oriented Parks and Rec usage
>> forecasts appear aspirational, not addressing defined needs.  Most of the
>> offerings that are indoors, could surely be located in the new school after
>> school hours at minimal extra cost.  From the 2018 Community Center Final
>> Report "The PRD runs some programs on weekdays during school hours, such as
>> exercise classes for adults, but most of its offerings are held for
>> children after school, on weekday evenings, and on weekends."
>>
>> It is clear that the combination of Parks and Rec with the COA is a
>> marriage of convenience and may not be a good use of tax dollars.  With few
>> indoor activities outside of facilities provided today by the Gym, Parks
>> and Rec hasn't justified their need for 12,500 sqf of new space.
>>
>> I propose a 2nd Warrant of 50K-75K that could be voted upon that would
>> fund a proper current needs analysis.   The output of this study should be a 
>> slimmed
>> down COA that is no longer an architectural statement but a functional,
>> clean and enjoyable COA.  This building could be a renovated Pierce, Bemis
>> or new facility at Hartwell.
>>
>> A No vote on Warrant 1 is not a NO for everything, just this oversized,
>> ill conceived marriage of COA and the Parks and  Recreation department
>> called "Community Center"
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Re: [LincolnTalk] COMMUNITY CENTER

[DJCP]

Why the harping on the kitchen?  Do you think cutting the kitchen is going
to save $10 million?  The cost is going to be relatively nominal.

Plus, it seems like people who are opposed to the kitchen have the
privilege of not having had to watch their aging parents lose the ability
to safely cook at home.  Cooking was a big part of my family growing up, as
it is for many, and I think my mom would have enjoyed watching cooking
classes.  (The Codman kitchen, while lovely, is in the barn and does not
have a lot of room for sitting, nor is the barn temperature regulated.)
It's almost like there were people on a committee and people were surveyed
to find out what could best serve the COA community, and these were the
ideas that were raised!

Diana
A former member of the dreaded "sandwich generation" and may you never need
to know what that means if you don't already
Giles Rd

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 11:34 AM Karla Gravis  wrote:

> The problem is the starting point of $25M, which includes so many “wants”
> like a teaching kitchen and a cafe.
>
> Inflation shouldn’t be the reason we push forward a $25M project without
> understanding our true needs.
>
> Wayland, which has so many more residents than us, is building a community
> center for $11M and at 13Ksqft (half the size we’re proposing).
>
> We need to level-set our needs, and spending $325K on refining proposals
> will *not* get us there.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 11:11 AM Lis Herbert  wrote:
>
>> Sara:
>>
>> Do not try to contort the meaning of my words and frame me as
>> insensitive. Don’t.
>>
>> I didn’t say that I think $25 million is something to sneeze at. I said
>> it will seem like peanuts if we delay, ie when the town is presented with a
>> 40M price tag down the road.
>>
>> The history of these projects has shown that 11M can balloon to 25. The
>> first school vote was for roughly half what the new school ultimately cost.
>> That’s mostly the result of waiting, and little else.
>>
>> Lis
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>> Calling $25 million “peanuts” is a bit much.
>>
>> While it may be “ peanuts” to you, a significant portion of our
>> population would find it otherwise.
>> And, to date, no one is talking about the Town operating budgets and what
>> they will look like, going forward- after we address teachers contract, the
>> hiring a new Superintendent, changes in Town Office staffing and the
>> impacts of inflation across the board.
>>
>> I suspect we will see the need for an override to support the staffing
>> needs.
>>
>> That is part of the total tax package that has an impact on individual
>> households.
>>
>> So, what may be “ peanuts” to you, may have serious and crushing impacts
>> on others.
>>
>> We need to be mindful and sensitive to that reality.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 9:05 AM, Lis Herbert  wrote:
>>
>> Sara:
>> If this process is delayed or stopped entirely, again, the price tag for
>> needs may well exceed current “wants” — many of which, judging by the
>> survey results the CCBC circulated yesterday, are pragmatic, and reflect a
>> community’s needs in 2022, not 2012.
>> $25 million will seem like peanuts when it’s time to vote on whatever the
>> next iteration of this process is 5 or 10 years down the line. And people
>> will surely wonder then, if the vote is for a center in some unknown
>> location near Donelan’s, why it isn’t sited at Hartwell?
>> And around and around and around we can go, forever.
>> Lis
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:51 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>> That was then, this is now.
>> We have gone through some radical changes in the last several years.
>> Our economy is volatile.
>> Our work lives have changed, as have commuting patterns.
>>
>> Should put our fingers in our ears, hands over our eyes and act as if it
>> is 2012 all over again ?
>>
>> We need to be more flexible and creative to meet the needs ( and be
>> careful about “ wants”) of the town in 2022 and beyond.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:41 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>> Times have changed, and so must we.
>>
>> There is an opportunity tonight to be more creative.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:26 AM, DJCP  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Oh great, let's wash 10 years of work down 

Re: [LincolnTalk] COMMUNITY CENTER

[DJCP]

Actually, Dennis, this sounds like it's your opinion.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022, 12:59 PM Dennis Picker 
wrote:

> The kitchen is an example of including nice to have vs. essential needs in
> the proposal.
>
> The kitchen that is included in both high end options is described as a
> kitchen that can accomodate  cooking classes and the weekly senior dining
> lunch.
>
> Cooking classes might be a nice addition to our program offerings but do
> we want to pay capital cost to enable them?  Cooking classes are available
> at reasonable cost from LS Adult ed, Minuteman adult ed, and I hear at
> Codman farm.  In addition, there are numerous restaurants and individual
> enterprises that offer cooking classes.  Some would be easy for seniors to
> access, some less so.  Nice to have, but not essential.
>
> Senior dining is currently carried out offsite from Bemis and although
> having it under the same roof as everything else might be nice, it is again
> a nice to have and not an essential.  There are other options for where to
> provide this service- the current locations at Stone church or St. Annes,
> potentially Pierce House.  The kitchen there is small scale and oldish.
> But, high end catered weddings are routinely held there.  A senior dining
> program there using take-out food seems feasible.
>
> If you change the kitchen requirement at a newly built community center to
> not have the floorspace and appliances needed to hold multi-person cooking
> classes or to prepare group meals from scratch you can build a smaller room
> equipped with fewer/less expensive appliances.
>
> This will not save $5 million.  It won't save $1 million.  It is an easy
> to grasp example of how the two options that are only choices we have been
> given include nice to have features that add cost beyond what would be
> required in an option that focused only on no-frills, just the real
> essentials.
>
> The kitchen is not the only example.  The 10 year process has,
> unfortunately, never revealed a vetted list of essential needs versus "nice
> to have if we want to pay for it."
>
> I accept that during the outreach process some people, I don't know how
> many, said "can we have cooking classes?"  That doesn't mean there is broad
> support for adding this service.  It is very easy to say "I want that"
> without having to deal with "it will cost you X" when you add it to the
> wish list.
>
> I understand and am sympathetic to the situation you describe with your
> mother.   I am 75 and preparing meals is a drag.  The senior dining service
> is what the town offers to address in a small way that need.  There is
> probably opportunities to improve the senior dining experience that we
> offer, but I am not convinced that we need an expensive large shiny new
> kitchen to achieve that.
>
> Bottom line, we can disagree about the kitchen or about any other "nice to
> haves".  All I have been asking is that we get a believable path to seeing
> an honest-to-goodness option on the table that includes only the on-frills
> stuff, and then the voters ultimately choose which one we spend money on.
> The debate, in my mind is not about the kitchen it is about the absence of
> needs/wants clarity, the absence of a no-frills choice to consider.
>
> Dennis Picker
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 12:35 PM DJCP  wrote:
>
>> Why the harping on the kitchen?  Do you think cutting the kitchen is
>> going to save $10 million?  The cost is going to be relatively nominal.
>>
>> Plus, it seems like people who are opposed to the kitchen have the
>> privilege of not having had to watch their aging parents lose the ability
>> to safely cook at home.  Cooking was a big part of my family growing up, as
>> it is for many, and I think my mom would have enjoyed watching cooking
>> classes.  (The Codman kitchen, while lovely, is in the barn and does not
>> have a lot of room for sitting, nor is the barn temperature regulated.)
>> It's almost like there were people on a committee and people were surveyed
>> to find out what could best serve the COA community, and these were the
>> ideas that were raised!
>>
>> Diana
>> A former member of the dreaded "sandwich generation" and may you never
>> need to know what that means if you don't already
>> Giles Rd
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 11:34 AM Karla Gravis 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The problem is the starting point of $25M, which includes so many
>>> “wants” like a teaching kitchen and a cafe.
>>>
>>> Inflation shouldn’t be the reason we push forward a $25M project without
>>&g

Re: [LincolnTalk] Free 3oz Dixie cups TAKEN

[DJCP]

Thanks

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022, 11:58 AM DJCP  wrote:

> I have a pack of 600(!) that have been opened but only a small number have
> been used.
> Diana
> Giles rd
>
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[LincolnTalk] Lincoln Girl Scouts & Fundraiser for Council on Aging

[DJCP]

Last week, the Lincoln Girl Scouts continued its longstanding tradition of
making crafts for the Council on Aging winter gift baskets.  The Girl
Scouts met in the Dining Commons and (making quite the mess) made peanut
butter pinecone bird feeders and hand wrote greeting cards (we thought the
poem included below was quite the masterpiece).

This year, the COA is looking for $10 gift cards to local stores - CVS,
Market Basket, etc.  Many of the Scouts' parents have already personally
donated, but not many have been dropped off at Bemis.  If you feel so
moved, now is your last chance to donate.  Please drop off gift cards to
Bemis early this week.  If you don't have time, and are comfortable with
it, please reach out to one of the leaders below and we can purchase for
you if you Venmo us.

Thanks for your consideration,
Diana Jong (Giles Rd)
Sara Lupkas
Laura Taylor

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[LincolnTalk] Recs for optometrist for kids, please!

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Any recs for kid-friendly optometrists?

Thanks,
Diana
Giles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Mice

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I don't have recs as my husband is our household's pest control expert, but
you really should hire someone who will help seal any gaps that mice can
enter thru.  Plus, most rodenticides work their way up the food chain and
kill large prey like raptors and eagles.  In our house, we seal any gaps
with spray foam and wire mesh, and then put out snap traps to catch any
strays.  I know this is hard in older homes, but poison is not going to
solve the problem in the long term as there will always be mice!
Diana
Giles Rd

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 9:31 AM Janet Maloney  wrote:

> Hello, I desperately need a recommendation for an exterminator. The recent
> cold weather has cased some mice, I think, to come indoors. I have not seen
> them but can hear them in the ceiling. If you know a reliable person,
> please reply.
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Janet
> 617-460-3216
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[LincolnTalk] Looking for Holiday Dogsitter

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We are in need of a dog and housesitter over the holidays.  Please contact
me directly for exact dates, although there is some flexibility and we
really especially need someone for 12/25-12/26.  We have two large dogs - a
golden, Wakka, and a rescue who is part great dane, Claus.  Claus is a
little nervous, but friendly once he gets to know you, and Wakka is goofy
and energetic.  We really need someone confident and experienced with
dogs.  Rates are totally negotiable.
Thanks,
Diana
Giles Rd
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[LincolnTalk] Lincoln PTO Bingo Night!

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The annual LPTO Bingo Night is this Friday at the Lincoln School from
5:30-7:30.  We are still looking for some high school volunteers (community
service credit given).  Please use the SignUpGenius.
https://www.signupgenius.com/go/70A0F4AABAA22A2FF2-54534088-lpto#/

And we are still taking raffle and Bingo prize donations.  (Raffle prizes
are larger, while Bingo prizes can be small toys or $10 gift cards to
local, kid-friendly businesses.)

Last year we were able to provide a prize to every child who attended,
thanks to the community's generosity.  We are currently a little low on
Bingo prizes.

Feel free to reach out with any questions.

Thank you!
Diana
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[LincolnTalk] LPTO Bingo Night Pizza Preorder

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If you are reading this and are attending Bingo Night, please place your
pizza preorder.  We have not gotten a lot of responses, but to cut down on
waste, we cannot guarantee pizza without a preorder.

https://forms.gle/bJXv5CakiMUki15x9

Thanks,
Diana
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