Re: MIDI: turning off reverb
2008/10/8 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > It's not in the docs because it's not lilypond. Consult the docs > for your MIDI player and/or synth. LilyPond is for typesetting but it also has MIDI capabilities. LilyPond's typesetting capabilities are expanded by Scheme and even native PostScript markups. In a similar way, MIDI capabilities could well be expanded to allow arbitrary MIDI data to be output. Otherwise, all the effort in instrument equalizing, sound selection etc, stays in a very limited state. For reverb, with a bit of luck it would suffice to send reverb type and time events specified in General MIDI level 2 that fall into the Universal System Exclusive type of messages (I've not tested it). for example F0 7F 04 05 01 01 01 01 01 [pp vv] ... F7 where pp = 0 : reveb type; pp = 1: reverb time, and vv is the parameter value. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Almost surey there is an easier way. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) http://www.paconet.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
2008/10/9 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > All the more reason to have it available to us! I've submitted the request > to bug-lily as suggested so perhaps it will appear in a future release. Nothing yet on the bug list; may I remind you that as a non-subscriber the first line of any mail you send there has to start with a ">"? Or -- better yet -- you may want to subscribe to the bug list: http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond Anyway, your request has been added as http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=693 Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Percussion in Lilypond
2008/10/8 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Just a note to say "thanks" to whoever implemented \drummode and wrote the > docs for percussion. I finally got around to checking this out today and I > should have done it ages ago. In my orchestral piece I'd been using normal > mode in the percussion parts and having to do all sorts of overrides to get > what I wanted when I could have used drummode and simplified everything. > Better late than never I guess :) My guess is that drum notation was implemented by Han-Wen and Jan like most of LilyPond, but I believe this particular area was also something Rune Zedeler worked on, in 2002 or so. Rune is now deceased, but I thought someone had to mention him here... Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
2008/10/9 Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Werner: I don't know anything about metafont (how the hell do you write a metafont glyph? Do you write plain source code, or are there graphic editors somewhere?) but I have tried to draw a glyph in FontForge (see attached file, you may open it using FontForge). Don't know if this helps (I guess it does not, since I have no idea of these kinds of work), but anyway it was fun :-) Cheers, Valentin AltoClef.sfd Description: Binary data ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [documentation] search engine
James E. Bailey wrote: On 07.10.2008, at 15:48, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Alternativeley, you can search the documentation with the google search engine. Scroogle or ixquick is what you supposed to say? ;) What I meant was http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-03/msg00063.html You can use any search engine (like Scroogle or Ixquick) clef site:http://lilypond.org Regards ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
Oh, thanks for telling me that, Valentin. I wasn't sure whether the list would get the message or not, but I assumed I would get a note back if it failed, saying I needed to be a subscriber. I never got one so I thought it must have gone though. Now I know. Thanks for taking care of it for me :) Jon Valentin Villenave wrote: 2008/10/9 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: All the more reason to have it available to us! I've submitted the request to bug-lily as suggested so perhaps it will appear in a future release. Nothing yet on the bug list; may I remind you that as a non-subscriber the first line of any mail you send there has to start with a ">"? Or -- better yet -- you may want to subscribe to the bug list: http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond Anyway, your request has been added as http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=693 Cheers, Valentin -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
Valentin, Could you make a png file of your clef? When I tried to open it with FontForge it said the file was corrupted or not the right type. Weird. Jon Valentin Villenave wrote: 2008/10/9 Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Werner: I don't know anything about metafont (how the hell do you write a metafont glyph? Do you write plain source code, or are there graphic editors somewhere?) but I have tried to draw a glyph in FontForge (see attached file, you may open it using FontForge). Don't know if this helps (I guess it does not, since I have no idea of these kinds of work), but anyway it was fun :-) Cheers, Valentin -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
2008/10/9 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Valentin, > > Could you make a png file of your clef? When I tried to open it with > FontForge it said the file was corrupted or not the right type. Weird. Yes. Same error. Weird :-) > > Jon > > Valentin Villenave wrote: >> >> 2008/10/9 Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> Werner: I don't know anything about metafont (how the hell do you >> write a metafont glyph? Do you write plain source code, or are there >> graphic editors somewhere?) but I have tried to draw a glyph in >> FontForge (see attached file, you may open it using FontForge). Don't >> know if this helps (I guess it does not, since I have no idea of these >> kinds of work), but anyway it was fun :-) >> >> Cheers, >> Valentin > > -- > Jonathan Kulp > http://www.jonathankulp.com > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > -- Dmytro O. Redchuk http://brownian.org.ua/ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
> Werner: I don't know anything about metafont (how the hell do you > write a metafont glyph? Do you write plain source code, or are there > graphic editors somewhere?) I write plain code. > but I have tried to draw a glyph in FontForge (see attached file, > you may open it using FontForge). Don't know if this helps (I guess > it does not, since I have no idea of these kinds of work), but > anyway it was fun :-) Well, your version differs heavily from what the scanned image shows. However, to create a good glyph shape, we probably need better scans of probably larger clefs. Anyone who could provide that, probably adding it to http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=693 ? Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [documentation] search engine
Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: Also, wouldn't it be a good idea to remove, wipe, destroy outdated documentation from the web? If you search for: lyrics site:lilypond.org in Google you get 2.9 results! Isn't a embedded search engine not a better idea then? Bert Grammostola Rosea wrote: Hi, Wouldn't it be a good idea to have an embedded search engine on the website? It would searching for a specific term a bit more easy... (ps. please not Google... there are not very privacy friendly... maybe this are good options? http://eu.ixquick.com/eng/link_instructions.html or http://lucene.apache.org/nutch/about.html ?) Regards, ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: \mark, chords and notes collide
Am Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:04:23 +0300 schrieb "Dmytro O. Redchuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "Real mark" will appear above chords (you wish them to be in > between?), so you may try text marks look like "real mark". > > I have no collisions with 2.11.42. > > Try to change #'minimum-Y-extent for chords? Ah, ok. I'm using 2.10.33 . I'll try the change you propose. BTW: You are replying to me off-list. It's generally better to reply to the list as any tip will educate others. Seb. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: \mark, chords and notes collide
Use ^\markup {} instead of \mark \markup ...
2008/10/9 Sebastian Menge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Am Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:06:27 -0700
> schrieb Patrick Horgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> \paper { annotate-spacing = ##t }
>
> Wow, that's impressing. To be honest, lilypond is one of the strongest
> OSS projects i've seen in the last years. Kudos to everyone involved!
>
> But my original issue is still open:
>
>> In the following example the \mark collides with chords and notes.
>>
>> <<
>> \chords { c1 c }
>> \new PianoStaff <<
>> \new Staff = "upper" {
>> \relative c'' {
>> c16 \mark \markup \bold "Test" g a b r2.
>> \mark \markup \bold "LongTest" c16 g a b r2.
>> }
>> \addlyrics { la la la la la la la la }
>> }
>> \new Staff = "lower" {
>> \relative c'' {
>> c4 r2.
>> c4 r2.
>> }
>> }
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> I'd like to have the first note, the chord and the \mark left-aligned
>> with \mark in the middle and vertical space between them reasonable.
>>
>> How can I get that?
>
> Sebastian.
>
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Re: Headword for unfretted-strings
Hi David Many thanks for this. The abbreviations are fine as they are - these headwords are not intended to teach anything, they're just to show what is possible. I added midi output (hope that's OK with you - what tempo do you suggest?) and pushed to git master so we can see how it looks with the formatting imposed by the docs. Graham Can I see anywhere what this imposed formatting is for headwords so I can try the same formatting locally? Trevor - Original Message - From: "David Séverin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jonathan Kulp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Trevor Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Graham Percival" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:50 AM Subject: Re: Headword for unfretted-strings Le Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:40:24 -0500, Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : Certainly this is fine with me. David's piece looks really cool and could serve as an example for much more than just bowed-string techniques. It'll be better to use his example. Best, Jonathan Trevor Daniels wrote: > Jonathan > > There is no need to do any more of the Beethoven quartet. The two bars > you have done already would be quite sufficient and would have been > ideal, but as you say, David's offering does display rather more of > Lily's capabilities. Can we put this on ice while we check out David's > offer? I'm very grateful for all your help on this. > > David > > Many thanks for your offering. It is customary for the displayed > extract to show just the music in the LilyPond documentation, with the > title and acknowledgement placed in LilyPond comments - which can be > seen by clicking on the music of course. Also we would probably not > need the entire extract you sent, maybe just the first section, up to > rehearsal mark 2. Would you be happy with that? If so, please send me > the Lily code, with comments giving the title, your name, date of > composition, and a statement saying you are happy to place the extract > in the public domain. > > Trevor Hi Guys, Trevor, Here is the self content extract file [and pdf result on my box, both attached]. Should I add a legend for the abbreviations? [I upgraded to lilypond 2.11.61 to make sure that both type setting and rendering are the latest] Take Care, David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: \mark, chords and notes collide
Bastl2 wrote: > > And it is a real > \mark: There should be written "Intro" or "Verse". So I think thats the > way to go, I just have to adjust the spacing, but dont know how. > did U try something like \override Score.RehearsalMark #'self-alignment-X = #LEFT -Eluze -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/%5Cmark%2C-chords-and-notes-collide-tp19858636p19897964.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [documentation] search engine
2008/10/9 Grammostola Rosea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: >> >> Also, wouldn't it be a good idea to remove, wipe, destroy outdated >> documentation from the web? If you search for: >> lyrics site:lilypond.org >> in Google >> you get 2.9 results! lyrics site:lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/ I used to think that filtering by site subdirectories did not work in Google, but it does. http://www.google.com/search?hl=es&q=lyrics+site%3Alilypond.org%2Fdoc%2Fv2.11%2FDocumentation%2F -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) http://www.paconet.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
> Could you make a png file of your clef? When I tried to open it with > FontForge it said the file was corrupted or not the right type. Weird. Your FontForge version is probably too old. The SFD format has changed. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: postscript output with psbook and psnup
Daniel Hulme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't know. I'm using 2.10.33 on Debian/sid, and I've just tested > running one of my lilypond scores through psbook, psnup, and psbook | > psnup, and I couldn't get any of them to not be viewable with gv. I can reproduce this on Fedora 8. AFAICS the problem is that LilyPond generates PostScript that may include binary data (for fonts). Traditional tools like psnup and friends are text-oriented and get hopelessy confused. I get these binary font data for New Century Schoolbook and Emmenthaler; the rate of success may depend on the actual fonts that are used. -- Johan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: \mark, chords and notes collide
You can try to use #'minimum-Y-extent :
<<
\chords { c1 c }
\new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff = "upper" {
\relative c'' {
c16 ^\markup { \bold "Test" } g a b r2.
c16 ^\markup { \bold "LongTest" } a b r2.
}
\addlyrics { la la la la la la la la }
}
\new Staff = "lower" {
\relative c'' {
c4 r2.
c4 r2.
}
}
>>
>>
\layout {
\context {
\ChordNames
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent = #'(-3 . 3)
}
}
(and the same for TextScript context)
2008/10/9 Sebastian Menge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Am Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:06:27 -0700
> schrieb Patrick Horgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> \paper { annotate-spacing = ##t }
>
> Wow, that's impressing. To be honest, lilypond is one of the strongest
> OSS projects i've seen in the last years. Kudos to everyone involved!
>
> But my original issue is still open:
>
>> In the following example the \mark collides with chords and notes.
>>
>> <<
>> \chords { c1 c }
>> \new PianoStaff <<
>> \new Staff = "upper" {
>> \relative c'' {
>> c16 \mark \markup \bold "Test" g a b r2.
>> \mark \markup \bold "LongTest" c16 g a b r2.
>> }
>> \addlyrics { la la la la la la la la }
>> }
>> \new Staff = "lower" {
>> \relative c'' {
>> c4 r2.
>> c4 r2.
>> }
>> }
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> I'd like to have the first note, the chord and the \mark left-aligned
>> with \mark in the middle and vertical space between them reasonable.
>>
>> How can I get that?
>
> Sebastian.
>
>
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Re: \mark, chords and notes collide
2008/10/9 Dmytro O. Redchuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> You can try to use #'minimum-Y-extent :
[...]
> (and the same for TextScript context)
Oops, sorry, not the same. Like this:
[...]
\new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff = "upper" {
\relative c'' {
\override TextScript #'staff-padding = #7
[...]
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Re: unusual Alto Clef
Thanks Werner. You were right. The package in the Ubuntu repo is pretty old. I got the latest version in a .deb package here: http://espelhos.edugraf.ufsc.br/ubuntu/pool/main/f/fontforge/ The sourceforge site only has .rpm packages, which my system doesn't handle very well. To my eye Valentin's clef looks pretty good, but I suspect I don't have the keen eye of a fontmaker. Jon Werner LEMBERG wrote: Could you make a png file of your clef? When I tried to open it with FontForge it said the file was corrupted or not the right type. Weird. Your FontForge version is probably too old. The SFD format has changed. Werner -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
inclined piano pedal bracket
Hi, I'm a beginner with Lilypond and I'd like to know how have an inclined piano pedal bracket , like this | |/ and this: | |___/ Someone can help me? Thanks! Ellepi -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/inclined-piano-pedal-bracket-tp19899844p19899844.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: MIDI: turning off reverb
I followed Graham's advice to check into my MIDI player and found that Timidity has a huge array of command-line options. I tried disabling reverb and it helped a bit. Hard to say. It sounded like it still had some reverb but it wasn't nearly as bad. I'm not even completely sure I specified the options/arguments correctly. There were no examples in the manpage (argh!! I hate that!!), and it was hard to say exactly how to do it, since the disable reverb option was nested inside another option that apparently didn't need a hyphen and...(sigh...) Jon Francisco Vila wrote: 2008/10/8 Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: It's not in the docs because it's not lilypond. Consult the docs for your MIDI player and/or synth. LilyPond is for typesetting but it also has MIDI capabilities. LilyPond's typesetting capabilities are expanded by Scheme and even native PostScript markups. In a similar way, MIDI capabilities could well be expanded to allow arbitrary MIDI data to be output. Otherwise, all the effort in instrument equalizing, sound selection etc, stays in a very limited state. For reverb, with a bit of luck it would suffice to send reverb type and time events specified in General MIDI level 2 that fall into the Universal System Exclusive type of messages (I've not tested it). for example F0 7F 04 05 01 01 01 01 01 [pp vv] ... F7 where pp = 0 : reveb type; pp = 1: reverb time, and vv is the parameter value. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Almost surey there is an easier way. -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: \mark, chords and notes collide
Am Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:06:27 -0700
schrieb Patrick Horgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> \paper { annotate-spacing = ##t }
Wow, that's impressing. To be honest, lilypond is one of the strongest
OSS projects i've seen in the last years. Kudos to everyone involved!
But my original issue is still open:
> In the following example the \mark collides with chords and notes.
>
> <<
> \chords { c1 c }
> \new PianoStaff <<
> \new Staff = "upper" {
> \relative c'' {
> c16 \mark \markup \bold "Test" g a b r2.
> \mark \markup \bold "LongTest" c16 g a b r2.
> }
> \addlyrics { la la la la la la la la }
> }
> \new Staff = "lower" {
> \relative c'' {
> c4 r2.
> c4 r2.
> }
> }
> >>
> >>
>
> I'd like to have the first note, the chord and the \mark left-aligned
> with \mark in the middle and vertical space between them reasonable.
>
> How can I get that?
Sebastian.
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Re: \mark, chords and notes collide
2008/10/9 Sebastian Menge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Ah, ok. I'm using 2.10.33 . I'll try the change you propose. Hi Sebastian, Most of the collision problems have been fixed in the 2.11 series, which is now *very* stable (as of the 62nd release!) and is about to turn into our new 2.12 stable branch. I can't blame you for using an old version, but I'm impressed to see everybody here helping you and giving you advices while none at all would be needed if you were using a newer version. Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
2008/10/9 Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Werner: I don't know anything about metafont (how the hell do you >> write a metafont glyph? Do you write plain source code, or are there >> graphic editors somewhere?) > > I write plain code. [OT] What about automatic tools such as mftrace? If you had a high-resolution scan, would you be able to generate code by vectorizing it? Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: \mark, chords and notes collide
Am Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:36:11 +0300
schrieb "Dmytro O. Redchuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Use ^\markup {} instead of \mark \markup ...
Had that before, looks even uglier (collides also). And it is a real
\mark: There should be written "Intro" or "Verse". So I think thats the
way to go, I just have to adjust the spacing, but dont know how.
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Re: unusual Alto Clef
> What about automatic tools such as mftrace? If you had a > high-resolution scan, would you be able to generate code by > vectorizing it? Well, of course, but the idea is not to `trace' such a glyph but to generate it, using mathematical rules, in particular to make it optically fit to different sizes, similar to the other feta glyphs. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: inclined piano pedal bracket
2008/10/9 ellepi611 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'm a beginner with Lilypond and I'd like to know how > have an inclined piano pedal bracket , like this Something like: \once \override Staff.PianoPedalBracket #'rotation = #'(15 1 0 ) perhaps? Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [documentation] search engine
On 07.10.2008, at 15:48, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Alternativeley, you can search the documentation with the google search engine. Scroogle or ixquick is what you supposed to say? ;) What I meant was http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-03/msg00063.html Am Oct 7, 2008 um 5:48 AM schrieb Grammostola Rosea: Hi, Wouldn't it be a good idea to have an embedded search engine on the website? It would searching for a specific term a bit more easy... (ps. please not Google... there are not very privacy friendly... maybe this are good options? http://eu.ixquick.com/eng/link_instructions.html or http://lucene.apache.org/nutch/about.html ?) Regards, ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: \mark, chords and notes collide
Am Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:41:02 +0200 schrieb "Valentin Villenave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/10/9 Sebastian Menge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Ah, ok. I'm using 2.10.33 . I'll try the change you propose. > > Hi Sebastian, > > Most of the collision problems have been fixed in the 2.11 series, > which is now *very* stable (as of the 62nd release!) and is about to > turn into our new 2.12 stable branch. > > I can't blame you for using an old version, but I'm impressed to see > everybody here helping you and giving you advices while none at all > would be needed if you were using a newer version. I dont like compiling/installing stuff myself. I just use the stable binary packages for my distro, in this case ubuntu. I'd be happy to have up to date lilypond packages for ubuntu. Perhaps there are unofficial repositories, or would debian unstable work? I lost so much lifetime fiddling around with missing dependencies that I finally rather let out some features but easily 'apt-get upgrade' once in a while. Sebastian. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [documentation] search engine
Also, wouldn't it be a good idea to remove, wipe, destroy outdated documentation from the web? If you search for: lyrics site:lilypond.org in Google you get 2.9 results! Bert Grammostola Rosea wrote: Hi, Wouldn't it be a good idea to have an embedded search engine on the website? It would searching for a specific term a bit more easy... (ps. please not Google... there are not very privacy friendly... maybe this are good options? http://eu.ixquick.com/eng/link_instructions.html or http://lucene.apache.org/nutch/about.html ?) Regards, ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: \mark, chords and notes collide
2008/10/9 Sebastian Menge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I dont like compiling/installing stuff myself. I just use the > stable binary packages for my distro, in this case ubuntu. Compiling and installing are two very different things. Especially when your program comes with a well-written installer/uninstaller by default. LilyPond evolves very fast (two or three development releases a month), so we can hardly have package maintainers for every major distro. Besides, LilyPond used to require very specific implementations of Guile, pango, etc., that couldn't be found in the repos, so the developers decided to provide a ready-to-use bundle, containing all dependencies and patches. > I'd be happy to have up to date lilypond packages for ubuntu. Perhaps > there are unofficial repositories, or would debian unstable work? Don't know, wouldn't try. Anyway, even debian unstable doesn't have a recent enough version. > I lost so much lifetime fiddling around with missing dependencies that > I finally rather let out some features but easily 'apt-get upgrade' once > in a while. I can definitely understand the fear of losing lifetime, but our point is precisely to include *all* required dependencies in the installer (except maybe freetype, that is on every distro anyway). So: - it doesn't get broken by apt-get, - it's installed cleanly in *one* single directory, - it comes with an uninstaller, - it can install itself either in /usr/local or in your home directory (this way you're sure it doesn't mess with your other packages). Like you, I *never* ever install anything without my package manager; LilyPond is the only exception, because the latest features and bugfixes are always just _way_ too cool :-) Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: inclined piano pedal bracket
Hi, I'm a beginner with Lilypond and I'd like to know how have an inclined piano pedal bracket , like this Something like: \once \override Staff.PianoPedalBracket #'rotation = #'(15 1 0 ) No… I believe the desired property is #'bracket-flare, so that only the end is tilted (not the entire bracket/line). HTH, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
I've posted a slightly clearer copy of such a clef to issue 693. For what it's worth, my memory tells me that this style of C clef is to be found in French publications. I certainly remember seeing it in trombone parts of French pieces and this example comes from the Ravel Concerto for left hand (1st trombone part). David Jonathan Kulp wrote: I can't seem to find a better image of this clef in the materials I have on hand or on an internet search. I got it originally from a .pdf file downloaded from the International Music Score Library Project. It'd be better to have an original paper score in hand for scanning at high res. If no one can come up with one in a day or two I'll talk to our orchestra conductor and see if he might have some examples in his library. Jon Werner LEMBERG wrote: Well, your version differs heavily from what the scanned image shows. However, to create a good glyph shape, we probably need better scans of probably larger clefs. Anyone who could provide that, probably adding it to http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=693 ? Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
I can't seem to find a better image of this clef in the materials I have on hand or on an internet search. I got it originally from a .pdf file downloaded from the International Music Score Library Project. It'd be better to have an original paper score in hand for scanning at high res. If no one can come up with one in a day or two I'll talk to our orchestra conductor and see if he might have some examples in his library. Jon Werner LEMBERG wrote: Well, your version differs heavily from what the scanned image shows. However, to create a good glyph shape, we probably need better scans of probably larger clefs. Anyone who could provide that, probably adding it to http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=693 ? Werner -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: inclined piano pedal bracket
2008/10/9 Kieren MacMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > No… I believe the desired property is #'bracket-flare, so that only the end > is tilted (not the entire bracket/line). Yes, we spoke about this with Mats recently: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2008-09/msg00243.html However, I'm afraid that even by using bracket-flare, there is no proper support for gradual pedal releasing yet. Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Headword for unfretted-strings
Le Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:08:00 +0100, "Trevor Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > Hi David > > Many thanks for this. The abbreviations are fine as they are - these > headwords are not intended to teach anything, they're just to show what is > possible. I added midi output (hope that's OK with you - what tempo do you > suggest?) and pushed to git master so we can see how it looks with the > formatting imposed by the docs. > > Graham > > Can I see anywhere what this imposed formatting is for headwords so I can > try the same formatting locally? Hello Trevor, I guess you would like to show how to ask lilypond to produce midi output, but if you are interested, I have a live recording by Krzysztof Wagenaar [who created the piece, July the 30th, 2007 in Mirecourt, France]. On this recording: - the all piece last 8'30" [including 30sec rapid ultimate tuning and getting the audience 'quiet and ready', until the end with a very impressive silent moment at the end [I was there :-), until applause]; - the first 'measure' last 20"; - the extract you have last 1'45" I can produce wav, ogg and/or mp3 files for the 1st 'measure', the extract I sent you and/or the entire piece [and post it somewhere on the web], let me know. From the type setting point of view, I wanted to add a thin line and tiny text above the 1st 'measure' saying 'approximately 20", but I couldn't find out how to do so in a nice way [done by lilypond, well automatically positioned and dimensioned, so that it would also follow future custom adaptation of measure graphical length ...]. If someone can help me, many thanks. In the header, in the meter section [lentement], I also wanted to add '[approximately 8 minutes] but had other [and still have] difficulties to solve before latest tuning of these type setting little details. Practically speaking, the piece allows [furthermore 'demands'] a lot of initiatives by the interpreter, who should make it 'his own'. Cheers, David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
2008/10/9 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Valentin,
>
> Could you make a png file of your clef? When I tried to open it with
> FontForge it said the file was corrupted or not the right type. Weird.
Better yet: here's a ready-to-use snippet.
altoClef = \markup \postscript #"
gsave newpath
0.004 0.004 scale
-180 0 translate
248 -306 moveto
248 -492 lineto
248 -496 245 -500 240 -500 curveto
218 -500 lineto
213 -500 210 -496 210 -492 curveto
210 492 lineto
210 496 213 500 218 500 curveto
240 500 lineto
245 500 248 496 248 492 curveto
248 292 lineto
274 270 348 242 370 242 curveto
404 242 462 228 462 453 curveto
462 560 476 670 576 670 curveto
628 670 671 626 671 571 curveto
671 516 628 471 576 471 curveto
526 471 530 496 520 503 curveto
513 502 510 478 510 437 curveto
510 340 lineto
510 192 490 94 477 79 curveto
442 39 332 70 248 70 curveto
248 -83 lineto
332 -83 442 -53 477 -93 curveto
490 -108 510 -206 510 -354 curveto
510 -451 lineto
510 -491 513 -516 520 -517 curveto
530 -509 526 -485 576 -485 curveto
628 -485 671 -530 671 -584 curveto
671 -640 628 -684 576 -684 curveto
476 -684 462 -574 462 -467 curveto
462 -242 404 -256 370 -256 curveto
348 -256 274 -283 248 -306 curveto
closepath
130 -500 moveto
8 -500 lineto
4 -500 0 -496 0 -492 curveto
0 492 lineto
0 496 4 500 8 500 curveto
130 500 lineto
134 500 138 496 138 492 curveto
138 -492 lineto
138 -496 134 -500 130 -500 curveto
closepath
fill grestore"
\relative c'' {
\override Staff.Clef #'stencil = #ly:text-interface::print
\override Staff.Clef #'text = \altoClef
\clef alto
c
}
%%%
Cheers,
Valentin
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Re: \mark, chords and notes collide
Sebastian Menge wrote: > Am Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:41:02 +0200 > schrieb "Valentin Villenave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> 2008/10/9 Sebastian Menge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> >>> Ah, ok. I'm using 2.10.33 . I'll try the change you propose. >>> >> Hi Sebastian, >> >> Most of the collision problems have been fixed in the 2.11 series, >> which is now *very* stable (as of the 62nd release!) and is about to >> turn into our new 2.12 stable branch. >> >> I can't blame you for using an old version, but I'm impressed to see >> everybody here helping you and giving you advices while none at all >> would be needed if you were using a newer version. >> > > I dont like compiling/installing stuff myself. I just use the > stable binary packages for my distro, in this case ubuntu. > > I'd be happy to have up to date lilypond packages for ubuntu. Perhaps > there are unofficial repositories, or would debian unstable work? > > I lost so much lifetime fiddling around with missing dependencies that > I finally rather let out some features but easily 'apt-get upgrade' once > in a while. > In addition to what Valentin said, There are only two commands you need to use the GUB versions of Lily. uninstall-lilypond and sh lilypond-2.11.61-1.linux-x86.sh (61-1 is the latest version) There has not been a Debian package for quite a while since the GUB's are so easy to install. I run Debian unstable. Perhaps someone will make another package when 2.12 is released but then any improvements will not be available until another stable version of Lily is released. Paul Scott ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
>From: David Bobroff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I've posted a slightly clearer copy of such a clef to issue 693. For >what it's worth, my memory tells me that this style of C clef is to be >found in French publications. I certainly remember seeing it in >trombone parts of French pieces and this example comes from the Ravel >Concerto for left hand (1st trombone part). > >David > >Jonathan Kulp wrote: >> I can't seem to find a better image of this clef in the materials I have >> on hand or on an internet search. I got it originally from a .pdf file >> downloaded from the International Music Score Library Project. It'd be >> better to have an original paper score in hand for scanning at high res. >> If no one can come up with one in a day or two I'll talk to our >> orchestra conductor and see if he might have some examples in his library. >> >> Jon >> >> Werner LEMBERG wrote: >> >>> >>> Well, your version differs heavily from what the scanned image shows. >>> However, to create a good glyph shape, we probably need better scans >>> of probably larger clefs. Anyone who could provide that, probably >>> adding it to >>> >>> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=693 i've added a couple more -- as a bassoonist, i see this clef quite a bit in french repertoire. Leduc no longer uses it, though, favouring the modern style currently implemented in lilypond. cheers! -- .pltk. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Elision mark glyph (was: unusual Alto Clef)
On 09.10.2008 (16:51), Werner LEMBERG wrote: > Well, of course, but the idea is not to `trace' such a glyph but to > generate it, using mathematical rules, in particular to make it > optically fit to different sizes, similar to the other feta glyphs. While we're on this subject: there's another quite important (at least in my line of work) glyph missing, and that's a better mark for lyric elisions. At present, it's a slur SPANNING the last letter of one word and the first of the next, but ideally it should be a small semi-circle JOINING the words. As glyphs go, this is probably the easiest there is, since there should be no decorations or serifs or anything, just the lower half of a circle. I can write THAT in metafont, but I have no idea how to incorporate it in the macro system that the feta font apparently needs to comply with. I discussed this with Han-Wen, and he referred me to you, for pointers on how to use the macros. How about it...? Eyolf -- All men make mistakes, but married men find out about them sooner. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
Cool!! I've attached the infamous Ravel quartet snippet that prompted
me to post the query about this clef in the first place. Your C clef
looks nice in there, almost like the original. Of course in this
passage there's a switch to treble clef, and when it returns to alto,
the clef is a teency bit too big (the original is almost the same size
vertically but less inky), but still this is much closer to the
appearance of the original score than a standard alto clef. Thanks for
creating that, Valentin! I'm adding it to my snippet definitions file. :)
Jon
Valentin Villenave wrote:
2008/10/9 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Valentin,
Could you make a png file of your clef? When I tried to open it with
FontForge it said the file was corrupted or not the right type. Weird.
Better yet: here's a ready-to-use snippet.
altoClef = \markup \postscript #"
gsave newpath
0.004 0.004 scale
-180 0 translate
248 -306 moveto
248 -492 lineto
248 -496 245 -500 240 -500 curveto
218 -500 lineto
213 -500 210 -496 210 -492 curveto
210 492 lineto
210 496 213 500 218 500 curveto
240 500 lineto
245 500 248 496 248 492 curveto
248 292 lineto
274 270 348 242 370 242 curveto
404 242 462 228 462 453 curveto
462 560 476 670 576 670 curveto
628 670 671 626 671 571 curveto
671 516 628 471 576 471 curveto
526 471 530 496 520 503 curveto
513 502 510 478 510 437 curveto
510 340 lineto
510 192 490 94 477 79 curveto
442 39 332 70 248 70 curveto
248 -83 lineto
332 -83 442 -53 477 -93 curveto
490 -108 510 -206 510 -354 curveto
510 -451 lineto
510 -491 513 -516 520 -517 curveto
530 -509 526 -485 576 -485 curveto
628 -485 671 -530 671 -584 curveto
671 -640 628 -684 576 -684 curveto
476 -684 462 -574 462 -467 curveto
462 -242 404 -256 370 -256 curveto
348 -256 274 -283 248 -306 curveto
closepath
130 -500 moveto
8 -500 lineto
4 -500 0 -496 0 -492 curveto
0 492 lineto
0 496 4 500 8 500 curveto
130 500 lineto
134 500 138 496 138 492 curveto
138 -492 lineto
138 -496 134 -500 130 -500 curveto
closepath
fill grestore"
\relative c'' {
\override Staff.Clef #'stencil = #ly:text-interface::print
\override Staff.Clef #'text = \altoClef
\clef alto
c
}
%%%
Cheers,
Valentin
--
Jonathan Kulp
http://www.jonathankulp.com
%**
% Inspirational header for Unfretted Strings section %
% of Lilypond Documentation. This passage is taken %
% from Ravel's String Quartet.%
% %
%\version "2.11.61"
#(set-global-staff-size 15)
\paper{
ragged-end=##t
line-width=17\cm
indent=0\cm
}
\layout {
\context { \Score
\remove "Bar_number_engraver"
\override PaperColumn #'keep-inside-line = ##t
\override NonMusicalPaperColumn #'keep-inside-line = ##t
}
}
%*** MACROS **%
#(define (octave-up m t)
(let* ((octave (1- t))
(new-note (ly:music-deep-copy m))
(new-pitch (ly:make-pitch
octave
(ly:pitch-notename (ly:music-property m 'pitch))
(ly:pitch-alteration (ly:music-property m 'pitch)
(set! (ly:music-property new-note 'pitch) new-pitch)
new-note))
#(define (octavize-chord elements t)
(cond ((null? elements) elements)
((eq? (ly:music-property (car elements) 'name) 'NoteEvent)
(cons (car elements)
(cons (octave-up (car elements) t)
(octavize-chord (cdr elements) t
(else (cons (car elements) (octavize-chord (cdr elements ) t)
#(define (octavize music t)
(if (eq? (ly:music-property music 'name) 'EventChord)
(ly:music-set-property! music 'elements (octavize-chord
(ly:music-property music 'elements) t)))
music)
makeOctaves = #(define-music-function (parser location arg mus) (integer?
ly:music?)
(music-map (lambda (x) (octavize x arg)) mus))
%\relative c' { d e \makeOctaves #-1 { \times 2/3 {f g c }}} % this is an
example of the macro in practice
%%% Valentin Villanave's macro for the French-style C clef %%%
altoClef = \markup \postscript #"
gsave newpath
0.004 0.004 scale
-180 0 translate
248 -306 moveto
248 -492 lineto
248 -496 245 -500 240 -500 curveto
218 -500 lineto
213 -500 210 -496 210 -492 curveto
210 492 lineto
210 496 213 500 218 500 curveto
240 500 lineto
245 500 248 496 248 492 curveto
248 292 lineto
274 270 348 242 370 242 curveto
404 242 462 228 462 453 curveto
462 560 476 670 576 670 curveto
628 670 671 626 671 571 curveto
671 516 628 471 576
Re: unusual Alto Clef
I suppose this thread brings up the issue of styles: since the mentioned clef is not really a new SIGN just a different GLYPH, are there other such signs that we want? What about the "Fake book" style (a more hand-written'ish style)? Or, perhaps more pertinent, since it's already half there: a complete set of glyphs for the ancient styles? I could also imagine(/desire) a set of manuscript-like glyphs for mensural music, and perhaps an even more 16th/17th century alternative to petrucci. Im not saying either that this should all be made, or that if one addition is kept out so should all others -- rather, I'm asking if there are more glyphs that should be considered, and (following up on my previous post) what are the requirements and how does one make them. Eyolf On 09.10.2008 (15:54), David Bobroff wrote: > I've posted a slightly clearer copy of such a clef to issue 693. For what > it's worth, my memory tells me that this style of C clef is to be found in > French publications. I certainly remember seeing it in trombone parts of > French pieces and this example comes from the Ravel Concerto for left hand > (1st trombone part). > > David > > Jonathan Kulp wrote: >> I can't seem to find a better image of this clef in the materials I have on >> hand or on an internet search. I got it originally from a .pdf file >> downloaded from the International Music Score Library Project. It'd be >> better to have an original paper score in hand for scanning at high res. >> If no one can come up with one in a day or two I'll talk to our orchestra >> conductor and see if he might have some examples in his library. >> >> Jon >> >> Werner LEMBERG wrote: >> >>> >>> Well, your version differs heavily from what the scanned image shows. >>> However, to create a good glyph shape, we probably need better scans >>> of probably larger clefs. Anyone who could provide that, probably >>> adding it to >>> >>> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=693 >>> >>> ? >>> >>> >>> Werner >>> >> > > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > -- Chaos is King and Magic is loose in the world. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
I wondered the same thing. There is yet another style of C clef. I've seen this other style in French music. It is a more boxy style that is somewhere in-between the modern 'B' type C clef and the "French" style 'K' type. There is also another type of bass clef that I think of as "English" because it shows up in British works (Elgar for example). It spirals in the opposite direction of the "normal" bass clef that is used by LilyPond and it has more turns. As for the hand-written look; this has been discussed in the past and, if I recall correctly, it was deemed inconsistent with the goals of LilyPond (to look like engraved music). As for these different styles of glyphs; I think it would be cool to have them, but I don't need them. I suppose it is a matter of someone willing to either write the code for the alternate glyph(s) or pay someone to write the code. -David Eyolf Østrem wrote: I suppose this thread brings up the issue of styles: since the mentioned clef is not really a new SIGN just a different GLYPH, are there other such signs that we want? What about the "Fake book" style (a more hand-written'ish style)? Or, perhaps more pertinent, since it's already half there: a complete set of glyphs for the ancient styles? I could also imagine(/desire) a set of manuscript-like glyphs for mensural music, and perhaps an even more 16th/17th century alternative to petrucci. Im not saying either that this should all be made, or that if one addition is kept out so should all others -- rather, I'm asking if there are more glyphs that should be considered, and (following up on my previous post) what are the requirements and how does one make them. Eyolf On 09.10.2008 (15:54), David Bobroff wrote: I've posted a slightly clearer copy of such a clef to issue 693. For what it's worth, my memory tells me that this style of C clef is to be found in French publications. I certainly remember seeing it in trombone parts of French pieces and this example comes from the Ravel Concerto for left hand (1st trombone part). David Jonathan Kulp wrote: I can't seem to find a better image of this clef in the materials I have on hand or on an internet search. I got it originally from a .pdf file downloaded from the International Music Score Library Project. It'd be better to have an original paper score in hand for scanning at high res. If no one can come up with one in a day or two I'll talk to our orchestra conductor and see if he might have some examples in his library. Jon Werner LEMBERG wrote: Well, your version differs heavily from what the scanned image shows. However, to create a good glyph shape, we probably need better scans of probably larger clefs. Anyone who could provide that, probably adding it to http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=693 ? Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
> I can't seem to find a better image of this clef in the materials I > have on hand or on an internet search. [...] BTW, looking into a impressionistic French full score, I can see another variant of the alto clef, which looks approximately like this: || | ||__| ||__| ||__ ||__| || | || | Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
That's the other French C clef variety I was talking about. I'll see if I can get a fairly clean one to scan. David Werner LEMBERG wrote: I can't seem to find a better image of this clef in the materials I have on hand or on an internet search. [...] BTW, looking into a impressionistic French full score, I can see another variant of the alto clef, which looks approximately like this: || | ||__| ||__| ||__ ||__| || | || | Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
On 09.10.2008 (18:07), David Bobroff wrote: > I wondered the same thing. There is yet another style of C clef. I've seen > this other style in French music. It is a more boxy style that is somewhere > in-between the modern 'B' type C clef and the "French" style 'K' type. > There is also another type of bass clef that I think of as "English" because > it shows up in British works (Elgar for example). It spirals in the > opposite direction of the "normal" bass clef that is used by LilyPond and it > has more turns. Now that you mention it, isn't there also a "G_8" type of clef with "arms", almost like the C clef here? > As for the hand-written look; this has been discussed in the past and, if I > recall correctly, it was deemed inconsistent with the goals of LilyPond (to > look like engraved music). So the hufnagel style should be eliminated, then... :) > As for these different styles of glyphs; I think it would be cool to have > them, but I don't need them. I suppose it is a matter of someone willing to > either write the code for the alternate glyph(s) or pay someone to write the > code. I'm thinking more or less the same -- with the addition that I'd gladly make a set of glyphs, if only I knew how... Eyolf -- (null cookie; hope that's ok) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Elision mark glyph
> While we're on this subject: there's another quite important (at > least in my line of work) glyph missing, and that's a better mark > for lyric elisions. At present, it's a slur SPANNING the last letter > of one word and the first of the next, but ideally it should be a > small semi-circle JOINING the words. Do you have a good image? Yesterday I've written to a TeX-Gyre developer asking for addition of this glyph to the `Schola' font, a (greatly advanced) successor of New Century Schoolbook. http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre/schola A real-world image would help a lot. > As glyphs go, this is probably the easiest there is, since there > should be no decorations or serifs or anything, just the lower half > of a circle. Hmm, I'm not really convinced that this is the best shape available. Additionally, such a glyph is dependent on the used font, isn't it? Ideally, it should be thus part of the font used for the text, and not part of a separate lilypond font. > I can write THAT in metafont, but I have no idea how to incorporate > it in the macro system that the feta font apparently needs to comply > with. I will assist you in case we decide that it really belongs to feta. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
> I've posted a slightly clearer copy of such a clef to issue 693. > For what it's worth, my memory tells me that this style of C clef is > to be found in French publications. I certainly remember seeing it > in trombone parts of French pieces and this example comes from the > Ravel Concerto for left hand (1st trombone part). Thanks. No the shape is rather clear. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
draft wikilily offline?
Is draft.wikilily.org offline? Can't reach it anymore Regards ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: inclined piano pedal bracket
Valentin Villenave wrote: > > 2008/10/9 ellepi611 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I'm a beginner with Lilypond and I'd like to know how >> have an inclined piano pedal bracket , like this > > Something like: > \once \override Staff.PianoPedalBracket #'rotation = #'(15 1 0 ) > > perhaps? > > > Cheers, > Valentin > > > > > > Thank you very much! > It seems to me that it works, > for the first example I gave. > For the second (that is > > | > |_/ ) > > it's possible to have the straight line as far as a specific note and only > then inclined? > > Thanks! > > Ellepi > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/inclined-piano-pedal-bracket-tp19899844p19905494.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
predefined commands reference
greetings! is there a collected reference of the meaning of the many lilypond predefined commands? i don't see it in the docs in particular, right now i'm trying to figure exactly what \compressFullBarRests does, so i can use my global style file to direct multi-measure rests to always compress. thanks! -- .pltk. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: predefined commands reference
Hi, 2008/10/9 plutek-infinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > greetings! > > is there a collected reference of the meaning of the many lilypond predefined > commands? i don't see it in the docs Unfortunately not, since there's currently no automatic documentation generation for the predef files (it's on the list of TODOs). > in particular, right now i'm trying to figure exactly what > \compressFullBarRests does, so i can use my global style file to direct > multi-measure rests to always compress. Have you tried the index? http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/user/lilypond/LilyPond-command-index.html#LilyPond-command-index_ky_symbol-14 Regards, Neil ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: predefined commands reference
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:49:55 +0100 "Neil Puttock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > 2008/10/9 plutek-infinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > is there a collected reference of the meaning of the many lilypond > > predefined commands? i don't see it in the docs There's no collected reference, but you can see the definitions for yourself. Look in ly/ This is explained somewhere in the docs, but I can't remember where. > Unfortunately not, since there's currently no automatic documentation > generation for the predef files (it's on the list of TODOs). Yeah, that's been around for at least two years. :) Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: predefined commands reference
>From: "Neil Puttock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >2008/10/9 plutek-infinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> greetings! >> >> is there a collected reference of the meaning of the many lilypond >> predefined commands? i don't see it in the docs > >Unfortunately not, since there's currently no automatic documentation >generation for the predef files (it's on the list of TODOs). > >> in particular, right now i'm trying to figure exactly what >> \compressFullBarRests does, so i can use my global style file to direct >> multi-measure rests to always compress. > >Have you tried the index? > >http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/user/lilypond/LilyPond-command-index.html#LilyPond-command-index_ky_symbol-14 thanks, neil as far as i can see, the index just shows me how to use \compressFullBarRests inside a score, without pointing me to any clues about how to accomplish the same thing globally.> -- .pltk. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: predefined commands reference
2008/10/9 plutek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > thanks, neil as far as i can see, the index just shows me how to use > \compressFullBarRests inside a score, without pointing me to any clues about > how to accomplish the same thing globally. As Graham suggests, take a look at the the definition in ly/, then you can stick it in a \layout block. http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=lilypond.git;a=blob;f=ly/property-init.ly;h=c0d43eb980f74b66856e5a2fa8c559320b89e8a4;hb=HEAD Regards, Neil ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: MIDI: turning off reverb
2008/10/9 Jonathan Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > There were no examples in the manpage (argh!! > I hate that!!), and it was hard to say exactly how to do it, since the > disable reverb option was nested inside another option that apparently > didn't need a hyphen and...(sigh...) Well, I guess not everybody is as lucky as us when it comes to having good documentation :-) Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Bobroff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I wondered the same thing. There is yet another style of C clef. I've seen this other style in French music. It is a more boxy style that is somewhere in-between the modern 'B' type C clef and the "French" style 'K' type. There is also another type of bass clef that I think of as "English" because it shows up in British works (Elgar for example). It spirals in the opposite direction of the "normal" bass clef that is used by LilyPond and it has more turns. As for the hand-written look; this has been discussed in the past and, if I recall correctly, it was deemed inconsistent with the goals of LilyPond (to look like engraved music). Much as I hate it, a lot of forties music I come across has that hand-written look, though I strongly suspect it was engraved ... So looking both hand-written and engraved at the same time probably isn't incompatible :-) At the end of the day, it's just another font, isn't it? Cheers, Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
Eyolf Østrem wrote: > I suppose this thread brings up the issue of styles: since the mentioned > clef is not really a new SIGN just a different GLYPH, are there other such > signs that we want? The one I stumbled across some while ago is an alternate D'al Segno glyph, depicted here: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=659 (It is marked as Enhancement, which probably fits better than Defect, right?) This one has the benefit that it's written much clef-like in the staff and thus spares vertical space; on the other hand, it will probably require some more work than "just" drawing a glyph. I don't think such a positioning is currently supported by any (Rehearsal_?)mark_engraver... ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
A high-resolution version of a similar clef is here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notenschl%C3%BCssel#C-Schl.C3.BCssel However, the font designer does not seem to have invested very much time in it's design, and the engraver used is not mentioned. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Robin Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Patrick McCarty wrote: > >> What do you think? > > Yes, well the smoke has thinned a little. > Look, when this thread started I thought I might keep an eye on what > happened to the navigation, but I would keep well away from the styling > stuff. But it's not working out that way. > > So, to styling: > I'm older than the other Patrick [1] and don't take to any darkish > background. But what I think is more radical than your rework: > G The TOC panel needs no title area (I'm repeating myself) I'm still experimenting with this. :-) I've created another design with a color palette that passes the W3C Web Content Accessibility guidelines for color contrast: http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/start-alt-alt.html http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/lilypond-alt-alt-index.html http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/internals-alt-alt.html http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/snippets-alt-alt.html The blue links are very close to pure blue (#00F), which is a little bit intense, but there aren't very many blues that pass the guidelines. What does everyone think about this? Are there any colors from this design that you like more than those from the previous design? Thanks, Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Notating recitative
Hello, I'm trying to achieve this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2927464861/sizes/o/in/photostream/ another example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2927464879/sizes/o/in/photostream/ (my apologies for the lousy images, I can send better ones tomorrow, if needed) It's used to mark recitative type of singing (which is like talking, but on a constant pitch). I don't know if it's commonly used everywhere (perhaps not, because searching the internet didn't bring up any examples (wrong search term?)), but it's used in the music I'm notating. Is this possible to do with Lilypond? Thanks Ari ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Patrick McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've created another design with a color palette that passes the W3C > Web Content Accessibility guidelines for color contrast: > > http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/start-alt-alt.html > http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/lilypond-alt-alt-index.html > http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/internals-alt-alt.html > http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/snippets-alt-alt.html +1 These are very nice. > The blue links are very close to pure blue (#00F), which is a little > bit intense, but there aren't very many blues that pass the > guidelines. What does everyone think about this? Are there any > colors from this design that you like more than those from the > previous design? For such a link-heavy document, #1a1aaa should still meet the spirit of the w3 guidelines without making the links leap off the page to such an extent. What do you think? Andrew ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: predefined commands reference
>From: "Neil Puttock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >...look at the the definition in ly/ thanks very much, graham and neil -- that was the hint i needed! cheers! -- .pltk. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
Patrick McCarty wrote: I'm still experimenting with this. :-) I've created another design with a color palette that passes the W3C Web Content Accessibility guidelines for color contrast: http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/start-alt-alt.html http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/lilypond-alt-alt-index.html http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/internals-alt-alt.html http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/snippets-alt-alt.html The blue links are very close to pure blue (#00F), which is a little bit intense, but there aren't very many blues that pass the guidelines. What does everyone think about this? Are there any colors from this design that you like more than those from the previous design? Overall, LGTM, but yes, the blue links are a bit intense against the green background. #0030B8 might be more like what you want. Or you could try something more blue-green than just blue, e.g. #006078 (which still meets the requirements for WCAG 1.0 and 2.0). My $0.02 (Australian, and so worth even less! ;-) Brett ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Andrew Hawryluk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For such a link-heavy document, #1a1aaa should still meet the spirit > of the w3 guidelines without making the links leap off the page to > such an extent. What do you think? This color is definitely better. Thanks. On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Brett Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Overall, LGTM, but yes, the blue links are a bit intense against the green > background. #0030B8 might be more like what you want. Or you could try > something more blue-green than just blue, e.g. #006078 (which still meets > the requirements for WCAG 1.0 and 2.0). I like #006078 a lot. It blends with the other colors very well. I'll wait to see if there are any more responses before I change anything. Thanks, Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: unusual Alto Clef
> A high-resolution version of a similar clef is here: > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notenschl%C3%BCssel#C-Schl.C3.BCssel > > However, the font designer does not seem to have invested very much > time in it's design, and the engraver used is not mentioned. I've *never* seen this design. Maybe it's indeed a very old form on which the French variant is based on. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
mBreak function
Hello everyone! Thank you all for your help so far. There is something that I cannot figure out! I need help... I'm trying to typeset an existing piece of music with lilypond I thought that using mBreak was a very good idea as explained in the manual http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Typesetting-existing-music#Typesetting-existing-music I have tried every different way that I can imagine, and I always get the same: 2.ly:21:27: error: unknown escaped string: `\mBreak' gis [_(a) c_(b) ais b] \mBreak 2.ly:21:27: error: syntax error, unexpected STRING gis [_(a) c_(b) ais b] \mBreak 2.ly:10:0: error: errors found, ignoring music expression and I am doing it pretty much the same as in the has anybody gone through this who could give me a hand on how to fix this? Thanks! p.s. let me know if you need me to post the whole .ly file ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Notating recitative
What aspect of this are you trying to achieve and having difficulty doing so? I don't really see anything special about the two examples provided. On 10.10.2008, at 03:23, Ari Torhamo wrote: Hello, I'm trying to achieve this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2927464861/sizes/o/in/photostream/ another example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2927464879/sizes/o/in/photostream/ (my apologies for the lousy images, I can send better ones tomorrow, if needed) It's used to mark recitative type of singing (which is like talking, but on a constant pitch). I don't know if it's commonly used everywhere (perhaps not, because searching the internet didn't bring up any examples (wrong search term?)), but it's used in the music I'm notating. Is this possible to do with Lilypond? Thanks Ari ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: mBreak function
Hi Danny,
The suggestion in the docs is to define mBreak as a variable in your
input file like this:
mBreak = { \break }
Later, when you want to use it, you simply type "\mBreak" without the
quotes. This way, if you want to delete the manual line breaks later on,
you can delete "\break" from the variable definition, thus defining
mBreak as nothing:
mBreak = { }
and telling your input file to use LilyPond's default spacing and line
breaking. This saves you from having to delete each individual "\mBreak"
from your input file.
Otherwise, simply use "\break" without the quotes to insert manual
system breaks.
Hope this helps...
David
Danny Sosa wrote:
Hello everyone! Thank you all for your help so far.
There is something that I cannot figure out! I need help...
I'm trying to typeset an existing piece of music with lilypond
I thought that using mBreak was a very good idea as explained in the
manual
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Typesetting-existing-music#Typesetting-existing-music
I have tried every different way that I can imagine, and I always get
the same:
2.ly:21:27: error: unknown escaped string: `\mBreak'
gis [_(a) c_(b) ais b]
\mBreak
2.ly:21:27: error: syntax error, unexpected STRING
gis [_(a) c_(b) ais b]
\mBreak
2.ly:10:0: error: errors found, ignoring music expression
and I am doing it pretty much the same as in the
has anybody gone through this who could give me a hand on how to fix this?
Thanks!
p.s. let me know if you need me to post the whole .ly file
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Re: mBreak function
You probably haven't defined what an mBreak is. The second bullet
point begins with "Define mBreak = {\break}". That means you actually
have to type into your score, outside of any music block, "mBreak =
{\break}".
On 10.10.2008, at 08:36, Danny Sosa wrote:
Hello everyone! Thank you all for your help so far.
There is something that I cannot figure out! I need help...
I'm trying to typeset an existing piece of music with lilypond
I thought that using mBreak was a very good idea as explained in the
manual
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Typesetting-existing-music#Typesetting-existing-music
I have tried every different way that I can imagine, and I always
get the same:
2.ly:21:27: error: unknown escaped string: `\mBreak'
gis [_(a) c_(b) ais b]
\mBreak
2.ly:21:27: error: syntax error, unexpected STRING
gis [_(a) c_(b) ais b]
\mBreak
2.ly:10:0: error: errors found, ignoring music expression
and I am doing it pretty much the same as in the
has anybody gone through this who could give me a hand on how to fix
this?
Thanks!
p.s. let me know if you need me to post the whole .ly file
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