KX-T: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232
Randy (or others), When would a customer choose the A1232 over the D1232? is it just the price that makes a difference? Charles > > > Does anyone have this unit up and running yet? > > I have several. > > > > It is a good system, I prefer the digital however the TA is a good system. > > _ KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt
KX-T: Fw: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232
I think it is primarily price, not just the price of the KSU, but phones also. The down side is a single line display on the 70XX and 73XX phones. I am sure Panasonic will release a 3 line LCD, and with some improved CallerID features the TA will be a much better residential solution. Just my opinion rd - Original Message - From: "Charles P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "randydell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232 > Randy (or others), > > When would a customer choose the A1232 over the D1232? is it just the price > that makes a difference? > > > Charles > > > > > > Does anyone have this unit up and running yet? > > > > I have several. > > > > > > > > It is a good system, I prefer the digital however the TA is a good system. > > > > > > _ KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt
Re: KX-T: Agriculture Machinery.
At 12:06 PM 7/29/2002 -0700, Phil Barrett wrote: >At 01:20 PM 07/29/2002 -0400, Carl Navarro wrote: >>At 10:04 AM 7/29/2002 -0700, Phil Barrett wrote: >>>At 02:03 PM 07/27/2002 +0800, Mr.Yu Wei wrote: Dear Sir: We are indebted for your address to the Internet. And know that you are in >>>the market for Agriculture Machinery. >>> >>>can I CID on my combine? >> >> >>Now if that isn't the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Of course you >>can't, but you can get CFWD (Combine Forward) which will let you send it to >>any other location you choose. (forwarding surcharge may apply :-) >> > >Sir, I take great offense to this statement. I am a paying customer and >deserve to be taken seriously. My integrator assures me that CFWD is not >available in my geography and as a feature it is serious overkill anyway. >Thats what's wrong with that company, 70's features for the 21st century. >Why can't I just get CID (Combine ID)? You know, you just might have something. Last spring, someone STOLE a Combine from a farm implement dealer. They hopped in and drove it down the road to a waiting trailer :-). CID would have worked. I guess they must have activated CFOS, a Comdial feature for Combine Forward Off Site. cn >_ >KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ >Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt > > _ KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt
KX-T: Re: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232
> When would a customer choose the A1232 over the D1232? is it just the price > that makes a difference? A few other things: (1) Customer is upgrading from an older analog system for more capacity or to have CID or better VPS operation, but customer plans to keep old analog phones, or likes the looks of the 7300s better than 7400s. (2) Customer can buy it wholesale without certification. (3) Customer wants CID on CW. (4) Customer can buy it wholesale without certification. (5) The A1232 could handle four door intercom speakers before the D1232 could. (6) Customer can buy it wholesale without certification. Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm.com, etc. _ KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt
KX-T: Re: Re: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232
I thought you sold to anyone even without certification? I have cleaned up some of your uncertified sales...Jim Jim Marks Denville Wiring Systems Panasonic Phones & Voicemail Subject: KX-T: Re: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232 > > >> > (2) Customer can buy it wholesale without certification. > > > (4) Customer can buy it wholesale without certification. > > (6) Customer can buy it wholesale without certification. > > Michael N. Marcus > AbleComm, Inc. > www.ablecomm.com, etc. > > > _ > KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ > Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt > _ KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt
KX-T: Re: Re: Re: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232
Sometimeswhen you get big and you are "all that" you lose track of it all and you get unorganized, it's very easy to turn your cheek the other way and find a way to blame it on staff or sales people..they don't care ..all they want is $$$ just look at their pricingI don't know how do they get away with pricing product so low and not see that they are cut-throating everyone around them I wish we could all get together and come up with some reasonable "CAP"I'm just thinking out loud here Select Telecom Systems, Inc. www.selecttelecomsystems.com - Original Message - From: "Jim Marks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael N. Marcus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Charles P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:38 PM Subject: KX-T: Re: Re: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232 > I thought you sold to anyone even without certification? I have cleaned up > some of your uncertified sales...Jim > > Jim Marks > Denville Wiring Systems > Panasonic Phones & Voicemail > > Subject: KX-T: Re: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232 > > > > > > >> > > (2) Customer can buy it wholesale without certification. > > > > > > (4) Customer can buy it wholesale without certification. > > > > (6) Customer can buy it wholesale without certification. > > > > Michael N. Marcus > > AbleComm, Inc. > > www.ablecomm.com, etc. > > > > > > _ > > KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ > > Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt > > > > > _ > KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ > Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt > _ KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt
Re: KX-T: Re: Re: Re: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232
At 09:51 PM 7/29/2002 -0400, From Select Telecom wrote: >Sometimeswhen you get big and you are "all that" >you lose track of it all and you get unorganized, it's very easy to turn >your cheek the other way and find >a way to blame it on staff or sales people..they don't care ..all >they want is $$$ >just look at their pricingI don't know how do they get away with >pricing product so low and not see that they are cut-throating everyone >around them I wish we could all get together and come up with some >reasonable "CAP"I'm just thinking out loud here Lads and Gentlemen In this corner, weighing in at 899 dollars is the TA-1232 Ugly Stepsister of the TD-1232. In this corner, weighing in at slightly more (1299?) is the TD-1232. Sigh, is this a 15 rounder? I sold my last TA-624 carded as a 616 for a 1.5 mark on the KSU and cards and a 1.4 mark on the phones. Yep, round numbers $125 for the 7050's, $140 for the 7020's, $170 for the 7030, $190 for the 7330, and $220 for the 7130/35. WTP? The customer stepped himself up to 7020's and took a 7135 for programming. (does anyone REALLY like the Euro-style phones, missing the 4 extra programmable buttons?) Did I mention that I marked it up from Pana LIST? The 7% wasn't even mentioned. If you lose a system to price, go on to the next quote. If you lose a system on SERVICE, go back to class--and I don't mean Panasonic class. Carl Navarro _ KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt
KX-T: Re: Re: Re: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232
> I wish we could all get together and come up with some > reasonable "CAP" > > Select Telecom Systems, Inc. Price fixing, by manufacturers or groups of dealers, is illegal, but not unknown. Some cars are almost never discounted, and Bose speakers are almost never sold below list price except during manufacturer-authorized sales. In the short term, it's tough to compete with dealers who sell at "P" price. But in the long-term, installers have much more to fear from products like the KX-TGA420 (wireless 4-line speakerphone with AA, VM, CID, etc.), than from sellers who don't care about profits. More and more you have to sell brain power -- your ability to make a product do things that other dealers can't make it do -- not your ability to snake wires. Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm.com etc. _ KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt
KX-T: Re: Re: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232
- Original Message - From: "Jim Marks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael N. Marcus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Charles P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Re: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232 > I thought you sold to anyone even without certification? I'm a dealer, not a distributor, so I can sell to anyone. Distribs are not supposed to sell digital products to non-certified dealers, or to end-users. Some digital products, and lots of analogs, get sold by hungry distribs to end users. > I have cleaned up some of your uncertified sales...Jim I'm glad to hear it. I assume the customer was grateful and you made money. I think most dealers, including us, have cleaned up/fixed up/added to/explained systems sold by others. /mnm _ KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt
Re: KX-T: Re: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232
> but we love the 7400 series telephones.7000 or 7300 do not compare > > Ken Stephen > ceritified digital dealer It's a gender thing, Ken. The 7300s are chick phones. Real men want 7400s (but not the wussy 12-button models). Even more macho stuff is coming: 7600s (digital next year) and 7700s (analog this year). Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm.com etc. _ KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt
Re: KX-T: Re: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232
At 10:44 PM 7/29/2002 -0400, Michael N. Marcus wrote: >> but we love the 7400 series telephones.7000 or 7300 do not compare >> >> Ken Stephen >> ceritified digital dealer > >It's a gender thing, Ken. > >The 7300s are chick phones. Real men want 7400s (but not the wussy >12-button models). > >Even more macho stuff is coming: 7600s (digital next year) and 7700s >(analog this year). Yeah, and the 624-4 and the TA-1232-2 and the TD-6's are all coming in October :-). Well, it's something to look forward to in the seminar on 9/10. With key sytstem manufacturers struggling, it's refreshing to see Panasonic helping us sell by offering real incentives to help them unload old product and dog phones, back to those 73xx's again :-). Of course, this is in the wake of Comdial MD'ing the 408 Digital KSU and replacing it with the DX-80, and Lucent/Avaya...well, let's not go there. I hope I never need to expand the Partner sytems I sold, because I might not be able to get new parts. In fact, the same goes for Comdial, but I guess some of us have a bit of a nightmare trying to find 72xx series phones. I don't know, the phone on my desk is a standard 7230. I like it. A 7020 is my workstation phone. I mean, how many lines of display do you need and I have the same 10 numbers or less in my speed dial that I had for the last 12 or so years...in the same locations. I tried a 7235 for a month. Hated it. It was too fragile for the way I treat my phone. I don't abuse it, it just ends up on the floor a lot. Luckily I've only consumed 3 or 4 total sets in 15 years. I may have to sneak out a 7135B for evaluation out of my demo case next. Carl > >Michael N. Marcus >AbleComm, Inc. >www.ablecomm.com etc. > > >_ >KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ >Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt > > _ KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt
Re: KX-T: Re: KX-TA1232 vs TD1232
I took a VA system out of one home and put in a TD816, the customer saw the 7400 size and said no way. He loves the footprint size of the 7000. > > but we love the 7400 series telephones.7000 or 7300 do not compare > > > > The 7300s are chick phones. Real men want 7400s (but not the wussy > 12-button models). > _ KX-T Mailing list --- http://kxthelp.com/ Subscription changes: http://kxthelp.com/mailman/listinfo/kxt
