[issues] "Is there a Linux Glass Ceiling"- Revisited
I thought the folks at linuxchix might be interested in what we are doing during segment 2 ** Tonight Live: Is Cylant's security as good as it seems? And, the Glass Ceiling revisited >> on The Linux Show Tuesday, May 22nd, 2001 from the home of Wayne's World, Aurora IL Tonight LIVE on www.thelinuxshow.com At 6pm pt, 7pm mt, 8pm ct, and 9pm et.... Kevin Hill, Jeff Gerhardt, PJ Hyett, Doc Searls(Linux Journal), and Arne Flones have what looks to be a fun show lined up tonight on The Linux Show!! (and yes the Loki tribes server is up and running) In Segment One - Hot News: We will be covering the hot Linux news of the week. In particular, we will talk about the troubles at Eazel and Linux Mandrake. In Segments Two- "Is there a Linux Glass Ceiling"- Revisited On last weeks show we discussed the Linux Glass Ceiling, motivated by the announcement May 9th that GirlGeeks® would Partner with LinuxCertified to Provide Key Linux skills to Women IT Professionals. It occurred to us last week to ask "why is this gender specific program needed?" We will be joined by Viktorie Navratilova, for a follow up of last weeks show and will discuss some of the posts at Linux Today and some of the email we got about the segment. Viktorie Navratilova is a well known Linux advocate, lug member and author of a series of very well received articles on Linux for The Chicago Tribune. In Segments Three- The TLS/Cylant Hack & Crack Challenge We will be by John C. Munson, PhD and CEO of Cylant Technology, Inc. of Bend, Oregon. we will discuss the effectiveness of their technology and put it to the test by offering a TLS HACK & CRACK CHALLENGE to all member of the IT community. This is an opportunity for you would-be security experts out there on the internet to show us your stuff. Cylant has placed a challenge server (http://victim.cylant.com) at our disposal on the Internet running a very vulnerable (un-patched) version of RedHat 6.2. In spite of the fragile nature of this system, Cylant claims they are able to protect it from the most vigorous of attacks. Cylant has had problems communicating the focus of their technology with folks in the security community, and how it is something very different from anything that they have seen before. Cylant has developed a measurement based engineering solution to monitor software/server misuse. It is Cylants position that if a piece software is suitably instrumented and you monitor its activity while it is running, you can identify when the software is doing something different. It is a very simple principle and it seems to work well enough. Well we will find out won't we. The TLS Hack Challenge starts at 6:00pm ct on Tuesday Night. That will give people a full 2 hours to try to break the server before show time starts. The prizes we are giving for breaking the server are pretty cool. There is only going to be one winner, with that winner taking all the prizes. The prizes include one of those very cool inflatable penguin chairs furnished by The Linux Journal, a 4 pack of Guinness (in cans), the actual "victim.cylant.com" machine, a very cool certificate stating you are the person who hacked the server, and the winner will get to be a guest on the following weeks show and get the opportunity to brag about their prowess as a system cracker. The rules are simple, check out http://victim.cylant.com for details. The FIRST person who breaks or hacks the server, emails the Linux show (or Cylant)and shows us proof of the hack wins the contest. Other opinions are welcome at GeekCast. If you would like to join us on the show, check our IRC Chat (irc.thelinuxshow.com #linuxshow). Remember tune in at 6pm pt, 7pm mt, 8pm ct, and 9pm et. Catch the Linux show at www.thelinuxshow.com ___ issues mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/issues
Re: [issues] Re; Religion (Was YAFGA)
On Fri, Feb 25, 2000 at 07:00:11PM +, Rik Hemsley wrote:
> #if Mary Wood
> God. I have this impression, rightly or wrongly, that the US
> is full of Christians, and right-wing ones at that. Plus it looks
> from here like they have a lot of power and that the US is getting
> progressively less liberal and more conservative. Speaking from
I think that the US is actually getting more conservative, at least in
respect to the wishes of big business. The conservative (reactionary?)
Christian right-wingers are one of those loud annoying groups that makes
sure they get heard above everyone else. It's kinda like those idiots
who go and flame the living daylights out of anyone who criticizes
{Linux|Windows|OS/2|Amiga|You get the idea}, they are loud and get
heard, and the more reasonable people in the group get drowned out...
Even though that is the case with loud right wing polititians, I would
have to say that the country is still going down their path. I look at
my country and I see a government controlled by corporations, which is
the real cause of the conservatism, the republicans (and democrats, they
are by no means innocent) just go for these policies because they've
been payed off.
In actuality, we have this huge population of people who just don't give
a rat's something we can't talk about on the radio. There are a lot of
Christians, mostly of one Protestant denomination or another, and there
are also a lot of atheists too, but they all just don't care, they don't
vote, they sit in front of their TV's and feel the world is just fine,
or are angry that the damn indians get to fish where they can't (sorry,
that one came up in class, and we have some outspoken bigots in there..
grrr).
Yeah, I do find this all rather saddening, and the worst part seems to
be that I'm in a minority as far as political opinions are concerned..
Oh well, I'll figure out something.
--
Jeff
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Re: [issues] Re; Religion (Was YAFGA)
On Fri, Feb 25, 2000 at 06:20:50PM -0800, x wrote: > >In actuality, we have this huge population of people who just don't give > >a rat's something we can't talk about on the radio. There are a lot of > >Christians, mostly of one Protestant denomination or another, and there > >are also a lot of atheists too, but they all just don't care, they don't > >vote, they sit in front of their TV's and feel the world is just fine, > >or are angry that the damn indians get to fish where they can't (sorry, > >that one came up in class, and we have some outspoken bigots in there.. > >grrr). > > Not all US people are bigoted small-minded idiots who think everything Did I say All? Nope. Just most. My back up to this is the voting booth statistics. BTW, I am a US citizen. I've lived here all my life. In fact, the first time I left the country was last weekend. > should go their way, but those people make the news more often (and thus get > more attention) than those of us just living our lives and trying to keep > the government/ church/ special interest groups off our backs and out of our > lives. I see two (related?) parts of this - first that people don't take > responsibility for their own actions (i.e. the burns caused by McD's coffee > spilled in lap while driving was McD's fault for making the coffee so hot, > always suing people for your own stupidity) and second that the government I have to agree that this is a big one. I like to blame the media for it ;) (just read that again, and before you reply, realize that I *know* full well what I just said) > keeps passing laws to protect people from their own stupidity. This is a > HUGE pet peeve of mine, I don't want Big Brother to take away my herbal Same here. My body, I'll mess with it as I see fit (which for me is little to not at all for the unhealthy stuff). Actually, what really irks me is the crap that they let get on the store shelves, like softdrinks. I know a bunch of you guys on the list probably drink coke and pepsi, but to me the stuff is just poison (and no, I'm not allergic). > remedies just because some yahoo didn't read the directions and died. Yes, > I can see some cases where consumer protection might be needed, but not to > the extent it's going these days. I keep looking for somewhere I'd like to > live that doesn't have this problem... I am smart, I take care of myself, > and I read directions and anything else I can get my hands on so I > understand my risks. And yes, I do fight the battles when I need to. I'm More power to you. It is nice to know you guys are out there -- I know I haven't been as active as I would like (however, in a little under two weeks, I am going to register to vote. I'll be turning 18, so the only reason I haven't voted, is because of the ageist laws in this country, and yes, that is how I see them). > TIRED! And I'm very afraid that there are more of them than there are of > us. I think that has crossed all of our minds, but y'know what, we've won in the past. *All* revolutions and progressive political actions are the work of a minority pushing the majority to action. Period, even the American Revolution -- despite what the schools have taught in the past. They have won in the past, we can win again. > > -cthulhuette ``C'Thulu For President, Why settle for the Lesser Evil?'' -- Seen on a a T-Shirt down at the local gaming shop. -- Jeff -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/M/>P d-(pu) s+:- a17>? C++() L+++ UL@>$ P+ E--- W++@ N+ o? K++ w--- O? M V- PS+ PE(--)@ Y+@ PGP++ t+ 5 X++@ R++@ !tv@ b++ DI D- G e- h! r% y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt PGP signature
Re: [issues] Re; Religion (Was YAFGA)
On Fri, Feb 25, 2000 at 06:58:02PM -0800, Jeff wrote: > > Not all US people are bigoted small-minded idiots who think everything > > Did I say All? Nope. Just most. My back up to this is the voting > booth statistics. BTW, I am a US citizen. I've lived here all my life. > In fact, the first time I left the country was last weekend. Again, I need to proof read more... My point was that most of the US citizenry just plain don't care about the laws or the government. -- Jeff -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/M/>P d-(pu) s+:- a17>? C++() L+++ UL@>$ P+ E--- W++@ N+ o? K++ w--- O? M V- PS+ PE(--)@ Y+@ PGP++ t+ 5 X++@ R++@ !tv@ b++ DI D- G e- h! r% y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt PGP signature
Re: [issues] Re; Religion (Was YAFGA)
On Sat, Feb 26, 2000 at 01:17:33AM -0500, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: > On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:30:30 -0800, Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >said: > > >Again, I need to proof read more... My point was that most of the US > >citizenry just plain don't care about the laws or the government. > > At least not until those laws land on their head. Not really, in this countries history, people will generally suffer under the law. It doesn't appear this way because very vocal minorities step up to the plate and make big waves, it takes a lot of effort, but in the end it is the vocal minority reacting to the brow beatings of the laws and getting new laws made and bad laws revoked, not some silent majority. In the end, their votes usually come around to help a given cause, but, there is a big but to this one, to top that off, throughout the entire of my life, the vast majority of citizens ignore their right to vote. I think what we have on the list is a group that is more or less the exception rather than the rule. -- Jeff -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/M/>P d-(pu) s+:- a17>? C++() L+++ UL@>$ P+ E--- W++@ N+ o? K++ w--- O? M V- PS+ PE(--)@ Y+@ PGP++ t+ 5 X++@ R++@ !tv@ b++ DI D- G e- h! r% y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt PGP signature
Re: [issues] YAFGA (Yet Another Female Geeks Article)
On Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 11:43:16AM -0800, Dakota Surmonde wrote: > On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Margaret M wrote: > > > science courses, though -- Terri, any comments about the CompSci courses at > > high school, or your university? > > I'm not terri :P but I did take CS in high school -- first year was I'm not Terri either. Heck, I'm still 6 months away from college ;) > > However, I have never felt excluded or neglected because of my gender. > > Really? I've felt excluded, not really neglected, because I tend to learn > in isolation and then go apply it with people (the truth is I just hate > looking like I don't know something ;P ) and (a lot of the time, and this > is a pet peeve) like 'the exception' or 'the wunderkind' (add this to the > fact that I was a full time sysadmin by the time I was 19..and I'm only 21 > now, and you might see why I've had enough of the wunderkind thing to last > a lifetime :P ) Ah, yes, the life of the wunderkind. I've been chased by that stereotype since I was a second-grader (no one-upmanship intended), and I'm just now beginning to be able to live parts of it down. I've also wanted a good excuse to bring that up on this thread (and I've also been gone for a number of days). Anyway, what I really wanted to point out is how competitive classes can get -- to generalize, the competitive stuff comes mostly from the other guys. I clearly remember when I was in 7th grade and taking the 8th grade algebra class. The 8th graders despised me on test day, or whenever grades got announced. I've seen this all the way on up through high school too. Even to this day I get crap about my test scores in Physics. Middle School and High School are funny places, it has seemed to me that everyone is taught to look good according to grades, test scores, etc rather than what they have learned. I see this as the root of where the ``competitiveness'' comes from, it isn't just being one-upped, it's because *they* don't want to do better and look bad. Guys tend to make one feel unwelcome to express this, but that is a generalization, I've seen some really competitive girls out there in math and science. Of course, there's also those hormones to help things along ;) This all changes once you get out of the public education setting, but that's where most early exposure is. > > > Apprehensive? Uncomfortable? No. I'm aware of the fact that it is a male > > majority learning environment, and do miss having other girls in the class, > > but it doesn't make me uncomfortable. > > Me neither. It dissappoints me that more girls aren't there, because I > think more girls *should* be there, but in general I'm at least as > aggressive as the boys, and, excepting a few years between the time I was I agree totally, I feel more women/girls/females should be in Comp Sci, physics (we have *one* girl in my physics class this semester, down from two last semester). Actually, this is the reason I'm on these lists... > > I have never felt at a disadvantage in class because I was female. I think > > it's also what you make of the situation: if you expect to be at a > > disadvantage, you will be. > > yes and no. It also helps to be comfortable around guys, and to be > very good around guys because I know how to 'read' them -- I know male > social cues in a way I don't know how to read female social cues -- > obviously interests (beyond computing and math and science) in common help > and now we know why I can never find a date :P You'd hate being around me ;) I've been such a recluse through Middle and early High School that I have apparantly become unreadable -- I'm getting better, but having to remember to smile when I'm happy is a pain in the rump. I say apparently, because this was recently pointed out to me, but I'm rambling now. -- Jeff -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/M/>P d-(pu) s+:- a17>? C++() L+++ UL@>$ P+ E--- W++@ N+ o? K++ w--- O? M V- PS+ PE(--)@ Y+@ PGP++ t+ 5 X++@ R++@ !tv@ b++ DI D- G e- h! r% y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt PGP signature
Re: [issues] YAFGA (Yet Another Female Geeks Article)
On Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 11:46:59PM -0800, Dakota Surmonde wrote: > On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Jeff wrote: > > > Ah, yes, the life of the wunderkind. I've been chased by that > > stereotype since I was a second-grader (no one-upmanship intended), and > > I'm just now beginning to be able to live parts of it down. I've also > > wanted a good excuse to bring that up on this thread (and I've also been > > gone for a number of days). > > oh yeah, it starts young... ;) > > it's just, what was a challenge at 7 and a pride-thing at 17 is tiresome > at 21 I'll see when I get there :) > > at least for me > > > Anyway, what I really wanted to point out is how competitive classes can > > get -- to generalize, the competitive stuff comes mostly from the other > > guys. > > definetly! and I've noticed that while people tend to compete in math and > sciences (and the 'harder' the science, the greater the competition, > generally) they *don't* tend to do so to the same degree, or with the same > extensiveness (is that a word?) -- i.e. a group of friends might compete > with eachother, but they won't bug that weird kid inthe back of the > class.. (I have plenty of experience being the weird kid in the back of > the class ;) ) In my experience, it has always been just as bad in my history classes, and english classes. I didn't say this earlier, but my special talent isn't just math, computers, and science it is also test taking, math and science are just what we were discussing. So, I've seen it in all these classes, and they've always been just as upset. > > > high school too. Even to this day I get crap about my test scores in > > Physics. > > yeah, there's that too... > > I'm going to toss out here (as a theory) that girls, in general, because > they tend to be more sensitive to whether or not they are liked (yeah, I > think it's largely socialized, but either way) are more sensitive to this, > and more likely to take it as a negative force rather than a positive I'll agree with that, and I was partially trying to imply that. It was actually my stubborness that got me past those years. -- Jeff -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/M/>P d-(pu) s+:- a17>? C++() L+++ UL@>$ P+ E--- W++@ N+ o? K++ w--- O? M V- PS+ PE(--)@ Y+@ PGP++ t+ 5 X++@ R++@ !tv@ b++ DI D- G e- h! r% y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt PGP signature
Re: [issues] YAFGA (Yet Another Female Geeks Article)
On Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 12:19:16PM +, Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rik Hemsley wrote: > >> $DEITY only knows why this is. *shrug* > >Presumable that's an array ? ;) > > An array would be @DEITIES. I guess I should say: > > $DEITIES[rand(@DEITIES)] I always think of it as $DEITY, an environmental variable set by my .login or .profile scripts, I set mine to Kibo, y'all can set yours to whatever god/goddess you worship most (my current understanding of polytheism is that one would believe in many gods, but have one they primarily worship, not a bad setup, one get's a choice of ideaologies that way ;) -- Jeff -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/M/>P d-(pu) s+:- a17>? C++() L+++ UL@>$ P+ E--- W++@ N+ o? K++ w--- O? M V- PS+ PE(--)@ Y+@ PGP++ t+ 5 X++@ R++@ !tv@ b++ DI D- G e- h! r% y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt PGP signature
Re: [issues] Religion (was: YAFGA...)
On Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 07:36:38AM +1100, Jenn V. wrote: > > > Snarfblat wrote: > > > > On a > > somewhat similiar tangent, are very many of you religious? Yes. I am a kibologist (all of you familiar with a.r.k are cringing right now...). Actually, to be serious, I am religious/spiritual -- whatever you wish to call -- in the sence that I look at the world, and I see more than just science acting on things, and I do such things as commune with nature, among other beliefs. I guess the best way to sum it up, is I walk my own path to `enlightenment'. I know of about two other people who *might* be considered to have the same `religion' as me, but that might is a big one (we bounce ideas, theories and philosophies off each other, but we are by no means consistent). > > In my > > experience, organized religion is a very patriarchial and constrictive > > environment, which I would imagine, would put off most people here. > > I'm not a member of an organised religion. Organized religion gives me the heebie-jeebies, no real good reason for it, just a gut feeling that there is something inherently wrong about it (primary reason why I refuse to put a name on my beliefs and rather just say kibology if someone asks). > > i personally have a rather ill view of common christian religion; the > > power struggle and opression that I see there annoys me to no end. > > Religion != Christianity. I'm not christian. I am religious. > Thank you Jenn. -- Jeff -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/M/>P d-(pu) s+:- a17>? C++() L+++ UL@>$ P+ E--- W++@ N+ o? K++ w--- O? M V- PS+ PE(--)@ Y+@ PGP++ t+ 5 X++@ R++@ !tv@ b++ DI D- G e- h! r% y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt PGP signature
