[DNG] ..no response on https://talk.devuan.org/t/mirroring-devuan/45/7 so I try here
Hi, ..I got no response on https://talk.devuan.org/t/mirroring-devuan/45/7 so I try here: do you guys have " du -sch "-style numbers for alpha-iso-cd # 28MB devuan# This is Debian minus Systemd? Size? merged# This is new devuan.org code, size? in http://packages.devuan.org/ ? ..I have a partial (source,amd64,i386,i386-hurd) lan Debian mirror (bad isp link) and I understand some packages are identical over here at Devuan, so I guess I can play mirror guineapig here. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Our friendly community
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 13:41:41 -0500, Steve wrote in message <20151217134141.2284d...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 18:28:45 + (UTC) > Mitt Green wrote: > > > > A somewhat loaded "executive summary" of his statement could be: > > > "Considering that systemd was forced into Debian, I really don't > > > see why I would want to bother was all this boring tech stuff any > > > longer". > > > > > > From what I've read, the bunch of people resigned (including Ian > > Jackson) and all of these resignations are at least remotely related > > to TC's decisions regarding systemd. > > > > Mitt > > I wonder if Devuan could recruit some of the massive brainpower > exiting the Debian project? ..one way would be answer mirroring questions, e.g. how much disk space do I need to convert my Debian mirror to a Devuan mirror? ..I understand you have no rsync servers going, but e.g. debmirror works with http transport. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Apply Rainer's patch to netman.
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 13:02:28 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message <567698d4.1080...@gnuinos.org>: > Hi Edward, > > On 12/20/2015 06:14 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >> On 12/19/2015 05:52 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >>>> >> >The command: > >>>> >> >edbarx@edbarx-pc:~/netman_from_backup_08.12.2015$ git patch > >>>> >> >../rainer_dng-15.12.2015.patch > >> > > >> >The right command is this other one: > >> > > >> >$ git apply --stat ../rainer_dng-15.12.2015.patch > > Hi Aitor, > > > > Thanks for your reply. Git is reporting that the patch is > > corrupted. I informed Rainer about that. > > > > Edward > > Rainer's patch is not corrupted: > > $ git apply --stat ../rainer_dng-15.12.2015.patch > Makefile | 10 +- > debian/netman-backend.install |2 +- > debian/rules |9 - > 3 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-) > > You can generate a patch in the parent directory by the following way: > > $ git diff --relative > ../aitor_czr-20.2.2015.patch ...or $ git diff --relative > ../aitor_czr-$(date +%FT%T-%Z).patch oor ;o) $ git diff --relative > \ ../aitor_czr-$(git log |head -n1 |cut -d" " -f2)-$(date +%FT%T-%Z).patch -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Apply Rainer's patch to netman.
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:42:47 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message <5676cc77.9030...@gnuinos.org>: > > Hi Arnt, > > > On 12/20/2015 02:21 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 13:02:28 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message > > <567698d4.1080...@gnuinos.org>: > > > >> >You can generate a patch in the parent directory by the following > >> >way: > >> > > >> >$ git diff --relative > ../aitor_czr-20.2.2015.patch > > ...or $ git diff --relative > ../aitor_czr-$(date +%FT%T-%Z).patch > > oor ;o) $ git diff --relative > \ > > ../aitor_czr-$(git log |head -n1 |cut -d" " -f2)-$(date > > +%FT%T-%Z).patch > > > This generates a patch named: > > aitor_czr-2015-12-20T16:34:19-CET.patch > > or ;o) > > aitor_czr-f1b0bdff4e61d3425ccdd425d2452c8b3c346df4-2015-12-20T16:12:25-CET.patch > > Here, $(git log |head -n1 |cut -d" " -f2) is the bizarre hash of 40 > digits content in: > > .git/refs/heads/master [*] > > Thanks, > > Aitor. > > [*] This is being in the master branch. > > ..and if you reaaally wanna spell it out ;o) $ git diff \ --relative > ../aitor_czr-$(git log |head |tr [:space:] _ ).patch -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Apply Rainer's patch to netman.
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 17:52:49 +0100, Arnt wrote in message <20151220175249.6d049...@nb6.lan>: > On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:42:47 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message > <5676cc77.9030...@gnuinos.org>: > > > > > Hi Arnt, > > > > > > On 12/20/2015 02:21 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 13:02:28 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message > > > <567698d4.1080...@gnuinos.org>: > > > > > >> >You can generate a patch in the parent directory by the > > >> >following way: > > >> > > > >> >$ git diff --relative > ../aitor_czr-20.2.2015.patch > > > ...or $ git diff --relative > ../aitor_czr-$(date +%FT%T-%Z).patch > > > oor ;o) $ git diff --relative > \ > > > ../aitor_czr-$(git log |head -n1 |cut -d" " -f2)-$(date > > > +%FT%T-%Z).patch > > > > > > This generates a patch named: > > > > aitor_czr-2015-12-20T16:34:19-CET.patch > > > > or ;o) > > > > aitor_czr-f1b0bdff4e61d3425ccdd425d2452c8b3c346df4-2015-12-20T16:12:25-CET.patch > > > > Here, $(git log |head -n1 |cut -d" " -f2) is the bizarre hash of 40 > > digits content in: > > > > .git/refs/heads/master [*] > > > > Thanks, > > > > Aitor. > > > > [*] This is being in the master branch. > > > > > > ..and if you reaaally wanna spell it out ;o) $ git diff \ > --relative > ../aitor_czr-$(git log |head |tr [:space:] _ ).patch > ..erm, make that: $ git diff --relative > \ ../aitor_czr-$(git log |head |tr \<\>[:space:] \(\)_ ).patch -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Don't feed the troll
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:48:55 -0500, Steve wrote in message <20151221134855.79500...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > Cmon everyone, quit dancing to the troll's tune. You know what he is, > you know he wants to make this list more like debian-user, and if you > look at the past 4 days' archives, you see he's had some success, to > the point where we're arguing about swearwords, although in normal > operation Dng has no swearwords at all. > > He can't succeed without assistance from people who respond to his > little trouble-baits, so don't respond. You know exactly what he is > and what he hopes to do. > > == > # John Hughes, prolific newbie "libsystemd0 isn't that bad" troll > :0: > * From.*j...@atlantech.com ..chk whois atlantech.com and you'll know why etc ;o) it should be: * From.*@atlantech.com > * ^(To|Cc).*dng@lists.dyne.org > /dev/null > == > > Put him where he belongs: In oblivion. Put our mailing list once again > on a functioning basis, instead of a debian-user clone without Don > Armstrong. ..can his subscriptions be auto-rejected? > SteveT > > Steve Litt > November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques > of the Successful Technologist > http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 09:01:55 -0300, Emiliano wrote in message : > Sorry, I forgot to mention that this system runs Wheezy. ..is Squeeze the last known good Debian? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?
On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:44:43 -0700, Gregory wrote in message <20151225194443.ga2...@gregn.net>: > On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 02:35:39PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > (Why /mnt ?) > > > > Tradition. It exists on all distros I've ever seen, and it's used > > for mountpoints. Do you think the more modern, file > > manager-centric /media would be a better choice? That would be no > > more difficult. > > Here's another good reason: /mnt is quicker and easier to repeatedly > type than /media. I'd say mount as /mnt/sdd1, /mnt/sdd2, ... Just my > $0.01 worth. > > Greg ..where did the "/media tradition" come from anyway? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] I've got the automounter running
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 19:37:08 +0100, Didier wrote in message <56818154.2070...@in2p3.fr>: > Le 28/12/2015 19:22, Simon Hobson a écrit : > > The cache gets written out when the background system processes > > clean up and write the dirty pages out to disk. How long this takes > > depends on tuneable kernel parameters and how busy the system is. > > If the system, and in particular the storage, is otherwise idle > > then IIRC your small file will get written almost instantly. If the > > system is really busy, with a large dirty cache, then it'll take a > > lot longer. > > That's the logic one would naively expect but I'm not sure of > it. I'm afraid the data remains in the cache and not backed-up to > disk until some process needs room in the cache. You can do the > experiment of writing data to a usb memory stick and then wait long > after the light has stopped blinking. Then you can either sync or > umount the device and it will blink again for some time before the > command returns. > ..probably the best way is keep those flashy blinky lights blinking merrily away to try scare the idiots from yanking the removables, while we try finish _all_ the writing to try prepare the media for the inevitable yank, and only then stop the blinky lights and show the "Finished writing to disk, you may now safely remove the disk. Ok." etc eye candy. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock's Twitter hijacked?
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 03:11:48 +0100, Arnt wrote in message <20151230031148.2e327...@nb6.lan>: > Hum, > > ..have I seen this before?: http://dilbert.com/strip/2012-09-27 > > ..todays translation: http://heltnormalt.no/dilbert/2015/12/29 > > ..key to improved relevance: https://translate.google.com/ ;o) > ..are we trigger happy today; the key to improved relevance: https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/tvilsomme%20ting%0Aforskjellige%20tvilsomme%20ting%0Adenne%20tvilsomme%20planen -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock's Twitter hijacked?
Hum, ..have I seen this before?: http://dilbert.com/strip/2012-09-27 ..todays translation: http://heltnormalt.no/dilbert/2015/12/29 ..key to improved relevance: https://translate.google.com/ ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian
On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 15:45:49 +0100, Micky wrote in message <868u498ijm@minnie.mesina.net>: > Daniel Reurich writes: > > > So the potteringisation continues... > > If I remember well Solaris has /bin linked to /usr/bin since many > years, so linking /bin to /usr/bin is not a poetteringisation, or > almost it's not an original idea of poettering. > > Ciao, Micky ..then again we have http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/ arguing the case for the potteringisation, leaning heavily on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove and http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/155511/focus=155792 ..the old ancient ways are not neccesarily bad, even if they might happen to slow systemd boot-up by a few milliseconds, nowadays read-only /usr can be served off fancy ramdisk and be sucked in on demand thru gigabit straws... ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian
On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 05:50:15 -0500, Mitt wrote in message : > Not sure about poetteringisation (of how should this be spelled?) > but take a look at this link: > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/ > > and this > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove (see owners) > > and even this > http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html > > Simplification? Heh. > > The same thing: why change something that has been working > (flawlessly?) for four decades. ..to subvert and scuttle the competition. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Weekly News LX
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 11:29:34 -, chill...@use.startmail.com wrote in message <7ece505dfe773438d59e85b68f9a7b45.startm...@www.startmail.com>: > # Devuan News Issue LX > > __Volume 03, Week 1, Devuan Week 60__ > > Released 12016/1/04 > > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-03/issue-060 > > ## Editorial ... > ### [A discussion about mount-points] [1] > > Steve Litt asked about the preferred behaviour for an auto-mounter > program he is writing in relation to his Python presentation at > GoLUG, and the discussion that followed turns out to be instructive > for managing mount points. Teodoro Santoni's comments provide [useful > tips about UUID's][2], Arnt Karlsen talked about the [purpose of ..er, I did not, I asked the (I believe timely) question "..where did the "/media tradition" come from anyway? " and thenafter it was Stephanie Daugherty who _answered_ my question by talking about said purpose. > the /media directory][3] and Adam Borowski expanded on this by > explaining the [security implications behind the mount point > structures][4]. ... > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20151225.174135.dd74c0ab.en.html > "Steve Litt asks about prefered auto mounter behaviour" [2]: > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20151225.235048.e944f0dd.en.html > "Teodoro Santoni talked about labels and UUID's" [3]: > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20151225.213258.2828fd28.en.html > "Arnt Karlsen talked about the purpose of the /media directory" [4]: > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20151226.054012.e204f2e8.en.html > "Adam Borowski explained the security implications of /media > and /mnt" [5]: -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: Desktop recording
On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 05:28:07 -0600, vmlinux wrote in message <13298612-ee2c-461a-856f-964d689dc...@charter.net>: > After reading Steve's post about Statifier I got to thinking; where > is a good desktop recording for Linux ? ..systemd? ;o) ..define "good." ;o) ..aaand, there are standards to measure up against... ;o) http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf > I used to use Wink[1] but the > guy hasn't put out a Linux update in a long time. > > Anyone have a recommendation for something like RecordMyDesktop[2] > which allows you to insert notes/balloons, pause for user > interaction, and/or mix the video down into different formats? > > [1] http://www.debugmode.com/wink/ > [2] http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Giving Devuan sans-initramfs capabilities
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 22:13:06 +0100 (CET), k...@aspodata.se wrote in message <20160104211307.20a5d809d...@turkos.aspodata.se>: > Rainer Weikusat: > > k...@aspodata.se writes: > > > chaosesquet...@cock.li: > > >> I don't understand the desire to change it at all. > > > > > > And neither do I. > > > Except someone talked about ssl libs. > > > > Someone wrote about some PAM module which would require OpenSSL. No > > such PAM module currently exists on my system and I don't quite > > understand why 'PAM modules' would be needed for booting a system, > > anyway. > > > > But udev wants to put its rules files below /usr by default and as > > far as I know, changing this requires patching the code. > > Don't use udev so cannot check that. Perhaps time for devuan to > switch to vdev, is it ready for prime time ? > > Why don't udev place its rules close to the kernel modules directory, > that would make more sense, or put them under /etc as is the > conventional wisdom. But then, /etc-less systems are thought about: > > http://0pointer.net/blog/projects/stateless.html ...which is also © Lennart Poettering. Let them systemd guys prove us wrong in the _long_ run. ;o) ..in the short term, I'm pleasantly surprised to see more traffic here in devuan-* than in debian-user. ;oD -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Weekly News LX (Errata)
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:53:00 +, hellekin wrote in message <568aa36c.9010...@dyne.org>: > On 01/04/2016 03:07 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > >> > >> https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-03/issue-060 > >> > >> tips about UUID's][2], Arnt Karlsen talked about the [purpose of > > > > ..er, I did not, I asked the (I believe timely) question > > "..where did the "/media tradition" come from anyway? " > > and thenafter it was Stephanie Daugherty who _answered_ > > my question by talking about said purpose. > > > > Thank you for this correction, Arnt. It's been corrected on the Web > version. ...with the "overstruck(Arnt Karlson) Stephanie Daugherty" revenge. ;o) Try "Stephanie Daugherty" the way you should have in the first place. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] a 'rounded' guide to devuan migration and minmalism
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 08:31:17 -, dev1fanboy wrote in message
:
> https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/devuan-talk-version
>
> Basically the replacement version that fixes some issues from the
> original. Thoughts?
..me, I'd say: root@devuan:~# mkdir -vp /media/{usb0,usb1}
and: user@devuan:~$ mount -v /media/usb*
and: user@devuan:~$ umount -v /media/usb*
as those wee -v habits buys me easy confirmation things went ok.
> Also should mention the original version should be changed to remove
> the part about adding the user to the disk group, as it somewhat
> hurts security and isn't needed for mounting anyway.
--
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...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
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Re: [DNG] Beware
On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 20:46:00 +, Rainer wrote in message <87d1sxguwn@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>: > k...@aspodata.se writes: > > Arnt Gulbrandsen: > >> By now, the concept of unprivileged local users is a little > >> obsolete anyway. > > > > Yes, unless you let your kids or some guests use your computer. > > How many of your "kids and guests" even know what a kernel is, let > alone how to exploit a bug in one? ..systemd? ;oD > >> Today, hosts generally serve only one unix user, there > >> generally is only one local user of one host, and that local user > >> is the user that owns everything valuable. So is the a real point > >> to local-user-to-root exploits? I suppose there is, but it is much > >> smaller than it was ten or twenty years ago. > > > > The problem is not the local user == the owner, instead it is an > > unknown breaking in as a local user and then gaining root powers. > > That's not going to be terribly difficult on a system I use as > accounts I'm using usually can get root via sudo without entering a > password. ..why did Debian kill ssh into localhost? Is su or sudo safer than ssh nowadays? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beware
On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 21:55:12 +0100, shraptor wrote in message <0f6f017d5d303a92526f829661e84...@epost.bahnhof.se>: > On 2016-01-19 19:07, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > In this particular case, an unprivileged local user could gain root > > access by running a program which does billions of syscalls as fast > > as it can for ca 30 minutes (according the 'real' article). > > I tested the program in the 'real' article but it didn't work? > > But I guess you have to adjust addresses of commit_creds and > prepare_kernel_cred functions for my kernel version? > The article says they are static and can be determined per Linux > kernel version. > > How to determine those? some kind of stacksmashing? ..recipe suggestions: http://perception-point.io/2016/01/14/analysis-and-exploitation-of-a-linux-kernel-vulnerability-cve-2016-0728/ https://gist.github.com/PerceptionPointTeam/18b1e86d1c0f8531ff8f https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Kernel-2016-0-Day https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3448 -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Debian is endorsed by Microsoft
On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:46:55 +0100, Didier wrote in message
<56a0ef5f.3050...@in2p3.fr>:
> Le 21/01/2016 13:08, Simon Hobson a écrit :
> > What if we s/Microsoft/Rackspace/
> > (you can use pretty well any hosting outfit really)
> > The basic underlying thing that this announcement shows is that
> > ${company} now supports ${OS} on it's hosting platform. Yes, the
> > sole reason they are doing it where ${OS}==Debian is because they
> > think there's money to be made from it. I think you'll find that
> > most of the hosting outfits are in it to make money - sorry if the
> > idea that someone is allowed to make a profit upsets some sensitive
> > types.
>
> I don't know for Rackspace.
..learn ;o):
http://www.groklaw.net/search.php?query=Rackspace+&keyType=phrase&datestart=&dateend=&topic=0&type=all&author=0&mode=search
> But MS has a specific log of trying to kill FOSS and specifically
> Linux, by *all means*, including technical locking and abuse of law.
..drumroll please, _I_ ;o) suggested we put "Microsoft Litigation" here:
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2005010107100653
aaand on the left hand stortcut menu, where it has gained an extra
"s" since "my post-Groklaw" litigation took off.
..the _appearant_ importance of #550,000 over rounder figures like
#500,000, #600,000, #700,000, #800,000 etc in e.g.
https://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2015/08/index.en.html#newdpn
also have me doubt the other "Once upon a time"-tales of "Microsoft
support of Debian 8 only" and "only since March 2015" etc that I
see here.
..the US 5 M$ Microsoft reported spending on "combating computer
viruses" to the SEC for Q3-2003 and the US 106M$ they squirmed
away to their TSG etc proxy litigation in that same SEC filing for
that same Q3-2003 quarter, speaks volumes of their intentions,
is why we said "Always, Always, Always Follow The Money." ;o)
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20030831174259231
> I haven't seen any sign they're going to give up anytime soon on that
> fight, and I don't think here is such a sign: they earn a lot of
> profit and the little more they can gain with Linux on Azure is
> completely negligible in comparison with the strategic goal of
> killing Linux.
>
> Maybe MS haven't any legal means to forbid their employees to
> work for Linux during their free time. Otherwise, they have other
> reasons to tolerate it.
..such "tolerance" is done mostly "to know thy enemy", it's also
quite handy for luring in e.g. patent litigation poisons, "good"
design ideas, "binary [in the chemical warfare sense] poisons"
etc tools to scuttle e.g. GNU, Debian etc Linux, e.g. by telling
e.g. our dear Lennart tall stories about "How the War on Terror
Desperately Needs Secret National Security Backdoors in Linux"
etc. Etc. Explains their zeal, etc.
--
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...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
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Re: [DNG] Debian is endorsed by Microsoft
On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 01:29:06 +0100, Wim wrote in message
:
> Hi List,
>
>
> ... Follow the money...
>
> Maybe this is related too?
>
> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/39546.html
.."maybe." ;o)
> The Linux Foundation quietly dropped community representation. No more
> voting rights for simple members.
>
> Looks like a coup to me.
>
> And that begs the question: "Who is Karen Sandler?"
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Sandler
..small fish, nice tits. ;o)
> Both major law firms she worked for in the past, Gibson, Dunn &
> Crutcher and Clifford Chance, have multiple ties to Microsoft. In
> itself not remarkable, perhaps, as both have most of the fortune 500
> as clients.
>
> One example: Project Tomorrow, see
> http://www.tomorrow.org/docs/Gibson-Dunn-laptopdonationrelease.DOC
> What's in a name?
..names, chk out their partners 'n clients... ;o)
> Makes me think about a Hillary Clinton remark to someone stating that
> talks between the tech industry and US govt about encryption
> backdoors weren't exactly successful: "That's not what I've heard"...
>
> Slip of the tongue?
>
> What do you think?
..money owns political power.
> Cheers,
>
>
> Wim
>
> 2016-01-22 0:34 GMT+01:00 Arnt Karlsen :
>
> > On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:46:55 +0100, Didier wrote in message
> > <56a0ef5f.3050...@in2p3.fr>:
> >
> > > Le 21/01/2016 13:08, Simon Hobson a écrit :
> > > > What if we s/Microsoft/Rackspace/
> > > > (you can use pretty well any hosting outfit really)
> > > > The basic underlying thing that this announcement shows is that
> > > > ${company} now supports ${OS} on it's hosting platform. Yes, the
> > > > sole reason they are doing it where ${OS}==Debian is because
> > > > they think there's money to be made from it. I think you'll
> > > > find that most of the hosting outfits are in it to make money -
> > > > sorry if the idea that someone is allowed to make a profit
> > > > upsets some sensitive types.
> > >
> > > I don't know for Rackspace.
> >
> > ..learn ;o):
> >
> > http://www.groklaw.net/search.php?query=Rackspace+&keyType=phrase&datestart=&dateend=&topic=0&type=all&author=0&mode=search
> >
> > > But MS has a specific log of trying to kill FOSS and specifically
> > > Linux, by *all means*, including technical locking and abuse of
> > > law.
> >
> > ..drumroll please, _I_ ;o) suggested we put "Microsoft Litigation"
> > here:
> > http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2005010107100653
> > aaand on the left hand stortcut menu, where it has gained an extra
> > "s" since "my post-Groklaw" litigation took off.
> >
> > ..the _appearant_ importance of #550,000 over rounder figures like
> > #500,000, #600,000, #700,000, #800,000 etc in e.g.
> > https://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2015/08/index.en.html#newdpn
> > also have me doubt the other "Once upon a time"-tales of "Microsoft
> > support of Debian 8 only" and "only since March 2015" etc that I
> > see here.
> >
> > ..the US 5 M$ Microsoft reported spending on "combating computer
> > viruses" to the SEC for Q3-2003 and the US 106M$ they squirmed
> > away to their TSG etc proxy litigation in that same SEC filing for
> > that same Q3-2003 quarter, speaks volumes of their intentions,
> > is why we said "Always, Always, Always Follow The Money." ;o)
> > http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20030831174259231
> >
> > > I haven't seen any sign they're going to give up anytime soon on
> > > that fight, and I don't think here is such a sign: they earn a
> > > lot of profit and the little more they can gain with Linux on
> > > Azure is completely negligible in comparison with the strategic
> > > goal of killing Linux.
> > >
> > > Maybe MS haven't any legal means to forbid their employees to
> > > work for Linux during their free time. Otherwise, they have other
> > > reasons to tolerate it.
> >
> > ..such "tolerance" is done mostly "to know thy enemy", it's also
> > quite handy for luring in e.g. patent litigation poisons, "good"
> > design ideas, "binary [in the chemical warfare sense] poisons"
> > etc tools to scuttle e.g. GNU, Debian etc Linux, e.g. by telling
> > e.g. our dear Lennart tall stories about &
Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop.
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:48:50 +, Simon wrote in message <42725396-018e-4453-9f90-31c2877c1...@thehobsons.co.uk>: > Mitt Green wrote: > > > They can request a refund before activating the > > license, but will actually receive a smaller amount of > > money than they spent, if some at all at all. > > I recall reading how one person, after a fight to get anything, got > much more ! This isn't the case I was thinking of, but came up while > searching : > http://www.techworld.com.au/article/414500/lenovo_ordered_pay_1920_making_french_laptop_buyer_pay_windows_too/ > > In the case I was thinking of, the guy got back the cost of a retail > copy of Windows from the same shop - on the basis that they didn't > have any lower priced option, and refused to reveal/provide any > evidence of what the actual cost of the OEM version was. IIRC it was > something like $195 or $295 ! > > So play your cards right, and be prepared to fight your corner rather > than accept what the shop tells you, and you could get more back than > you expected. ..sweet. ;o) ..the one problem with Stéphane's approach, is you risk creating case law in Microsoft et al's favor by running out of money for appeals, litigation against these bad boy billionaires is very expensive because they will appeal anything they don't like "just because" they can, and if you do not appeal a bad judgment in time, it will be left standing and form part of case law. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ..tails boum boum boum: Tails 2.0 is out, systemd "coup d'etat" against torproject.org?
Hi, ..highlights in: https://tails.boum.org/about/index.en.html "Tails is a live system that aims to preserve your privacy and anonymity. It helps you to use the Internet anonymously and circumvent censorship almost anywhere you go and on any computer but leaving no trace unless you ask it to explicitly." ..highlights in: https://tails.boum.org/index.en.html "Privacy for anyone anywhere Tails is a live operating system, that you can start on almost any computer from a DVD, USB stick, or SD card. It aims at preserving your privacy and anonymity, and helps you to: use the Internet anonymously and circumvent censorship; all connections to the Internet are forced to go through the Tor network; leave no trace on the computer you are using unless you ask it explicitly; use state-of-the-art cryptographic tools to encrypt your files, emails and instant messaging." ..highlights in: https://tails.boum.org/security/Numerous_security_holes_in_1.8.1/index.en.html https://tails.boum.org/security/Numerous_security_holes_in_1.8.2/index.en.html and: https://tails.boum.org/news/version_2.0/index.en.html all go "This release fixes many security issues and users should upgrade as soon as possible. ... Change to systemd as init system and use it to: Sandbox many services using Linux namespaces and make them harder to exploit. Make the launching of Tor and the memory wipe on shutdown more robust. Sanitize our code base by replacing many custom scripts." ..maybe a new entry here?: ;o) https://tails.boum.org/doc/about/warning/index.en.html ..coups are easier to do when you first overwhelm your victim with a nice big nasty pile of things they must fix yesterday, and then "help" them out... ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:05:08 +0800, Brad wrote in message <56a97754.7050...@fnarfbargle.com>: > I'm running an early 2015 Macbook Pro. I have OSX, Windows 7 & Linux > installed. I live in Linux, but on the rare occassions I need to boot > into OSX or Win 7 I simply s2disk. That way when I re-boot into linux > it just wakes up where it was rather than losing any context. > > Aside from the non-functioning camera, the only other hardware issue > I routinely see is the USB SD reader mostly disappears off the bus > after a system sleep. ..doesn't your early 2015 Macbook have enough opmh to run all these OS'es off e.g. https://www.qubes-os.org/ (aside from their systemd issue)? ..coming from SuSE-5.2 in 1998, I can live with .rpms, but the systemd issue really boils down to either "they are wrong and made a death trap for people like me and Edward Snowdon", or, "we are wrong and should get ready to apologise." ..as a quiet ;o) pacifist in the early 1980ies serving in the RNoAF and our Navy, I had _NO_ idea Boris Yeltsin would climb on top of a Soviet tank in 1991 to cancel WWIII. :o) ..I didn't want any wannabe nazi genocider idiots wasting precious ammo trying to kill Russian etc democrats on my behalf, wounding them is 5 times more effective in war according to the US Army and keeps them alive, tying up personell in hospitals etc. ..on trying to build a language translator in 1994 out of the texts of the 130 language pairs in the 4 Geneva Conventions, I learned a new lesson on my own damned naîvity, I had indeed been trained as a genocider, I heard of the 4 Geneva Conventions exactly 3 times between 1981 and 1984, "common sense" in boot school, the last time, I overheard an AA commander mention "Geneva" explaining the ban on below-40mm grenades on personell to his gun crew as I passed by to pick up an AA target "drone" I had just landed. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:44:54 +, Rainer wrote in message <87powmdcy1@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>: > Steve Litt writes: > > On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:42:59 +0100 > > > >> > And that begs the question: "Who is Karen Sandler?" > >> > > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Sandler > >> > >> ..small fish, nice tits. ;o) > > > > The preceding half sentence is one example of something that should > > NEVER appear in any Devuan venue. Ever. > > > > A post like that is likely to anger half the world's population, > > I was on and off thinking whether or not I should write someone about > this because it annoyed me but couldn't quite think of what. Since > someone else now did: Speaking on behalf of half of the population of > the world is a little hyped up (got that from a dictionary and have no > idea about its connotations), however, a comment like the original one > above is entirely appropriate when describing a would-be price cow on > an agricultural fair and quite out of place in any other context: > It's a piece of information about the person who wrote it nobody > asked for (or should be interested in or should be forced to take > note of). ..either way, just by being "anti-systemd", we _are_ "politically incorrect." The bigger fish runs 3 letter type parties and ditto agencies. Even if Steve is all right on Karen, she's still a small fish in this game, if my Groklaw etc experience is worth anything. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:03:45 +0100, Florian wrote in message <20160127200345.2172f3eb.f.zieb...@web.de>: > > I just installed a Devuan system from scratch in "expert mode" from > devuan-jessie-netboot-amd64-alpha2.iso. ..url? I only find i386 in http://packages.devuan.org/alpha-iso-cd/ ..has anyone here tried innstall off a mini.iso in e.g. http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/201507023%2Bdevuan/images/netboot/ ??? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 05:15:19 +0100, Arnt wrote in message <20160128051519.1fe47...@nb6.lan>: > On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:03:45 +0100, Florian wrote in message > <20160127200345.2172f3eb.f.zieb...@web.de>: > > > > > I just installed a Devuan system from scratch in "expert mode" from > > devuan-jessie-netboot-amd64-alpha2.iso. > > ..url? I only find i386 in http://packages.devuan.org/alpha-iso-cd/ ..I'm struggling to believe htf I managed to miss http://files.devuan.org/ yakking around here. ;oD > ..has anyone here tried innstall off a mini.iso in e.g. > http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/201507023%2Bdevuan/images/netboot/ > ??? > > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Are my messages delivered?
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:12:16 -, dev1fanboy wrote in message <173ed2203f1f8c5daa98e057835b290c.startm...@www.startmail.com>: > I had an issue the other day with my posts not showing up (at all) > once I'd sent them ..moderation? May be adviceable. My biggest problem here is mail list bounces unsubscribing me. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop.
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:14:42 +0200, Lars wrote in message <56a91722.2020...@gmail.com>: > On 01/27/2016 08:53 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > [snip] > > True story, I had a bad battery such that the instant I pulled > > out the power supply, the computer turned off. They wouldn't send > > me a new battery until I did a series of Windows tests. > > Which vendor? It would be good to know so as to steer clear of them. ..also, does the warranty policies allow you to pull out the Wintendo drive so you can fit a known good drive with a known good os? (I bought my last brand new computer in 1997. ;o) ) ..that way you can simply buy new gear with the cheapest possible disk and pour your money on good cpu, ram etc. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:07:00 +0100, Florian wrote in message <20160128160700.57262036.f.zieb...@web.de>: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:15:01 -0500 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 08:03:45PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > > > > * In the "configure package manager" section the installer > > > suggests to choose "security updates" from security.debian.org. > > > According to a mail on this list from some weeks ago, this is > > > deprecated. > > > > Looks like I missed this. Where should I go for devuan security > > updates? > > Sorry for the confusion, I obviously don't remember correctly that in > the past weeks somebody had stated this. When searching for that > specific mail, which I had given up in a first attempt due to a bug I > just reported, I only found the exact opposite statement: > > | On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 11:33:40 +1300 > | Daniel Reurich wrote: > | > | > We are NOT merging backports or updates or security updates. > | > > Perhaps the "NOT" was shouted too loudly for me to hear it ;) So I > finally added security.debian.org to the sources.list and must confess > that it was a good idea, as the update pulled quite a lot, including > rather exposed stuff like bind9-host, claws-mail, curl, iceweasel, > linux-image-amd64 and openjdk-7-jre... ..and we are sure we didn't fall for another http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheKenThompsonHack ? ..another 2 questions, I have a Debian mirror on my lan (slow unreliable net), amd64, i386, hurd-i386 and source, and plan a Devuan mirror, roughly how many .debs do we leave unchanged from Debian in Devuan? How do we do compared to https://www.debian.org/mirror/size ? ..I never got any response to my first question here: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20151217.015613.57a0b639.en.html -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:30:13 +0800, Brad wrote in message <56ab1505.7080...@fnarfbargle.com>: > I've snipped the remainder of your reply because personally I could > not make head nor tail of what you were on about and it looked like a > steaming pile of misdirected political ..yeah, quite like groklaw.net and devuan... ;oD -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:07:42 +0100, richard wrote in message <20160129110742.d8df6c714fb85bdb6e197...@lucassen.org>: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:54:22 + > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > >> The issue is that many people in devuan are so allergic to > > >> systemd that they will not tolerate a library with that string > > >> in its name. > > > > > > Ah, I didn't know that. Thnx :) > > > > Considering that I wrote that in reply to you and also in reply to > > the other person who asserted "Don't worry. We just have you best > > interest in mind!" why was there any uncertainty of the technical > > purpose of libsystemd? > > Now you're suggesting that libsystemd is all CSS. Any programmer can > have a look at the sources to see if Tobias is right or not. > > But anyway, I will not say that you're wrong, I just don't know. But I > think that all sorts of conspiracy theories will not help us any > further. > > I'm very pleased to see that someone is building a libsystemdfree > xorg. But what about security updates? And what about future > versions? Who is going to do that? What about the robustness of > Devuan? Don't get me wrong, I really like the Devuan project, but > wouldn't it be better to create a "systemv.debian.org", a sub version > of debian, like the "backports.debian.org"? If Devuan is part of the > Debian project, we will have much more influence on what's going on. > Maybe it's better to build an extension to Debian than to build our > own infrastructure. > > I fear many people won't agree with me, but I think it's better to > cooperate with Debian than to fight Debian. Debian has a nice > infrastructure. If we will be able to build a Debian extension and not > a Debian fork, I think we can all win. On one side we will be able to > use Debian's infrastructure and have influence on what's going on > there, on the other side Debian will have a nice and fully supported > non-systemd version. ..I totally agree it would be nice. Then again there's that zeal on both sides, and that KenThompsonsque opacity on the systemd side (http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheKenThompsonHack ), e.g. I don't understand why the systemd coups were neccessary, if systemd is any good, it should win on its technological merits and on its performance, and not on its banana republic politics. ..so either way, I guess we should try provide a viable non-systemd back-up infrastructure. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..tails boum boum boum: Tails 2.0 is out, systemd "coup d'etat" against torproject.org?
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:11:53 +, hellekin wrote in message <56ab6519.8080...@dyne.org>: > Arnt Karlsen: > > > > and: > > https://tails.boum.org/news/version_2.0/index.en.html > > > > ... > > > > Change to systemd as init system > > > > I think it makes sense for a Live CD desktop distribution to do so, as > it doesn't have to deal with legacy nor with broken upgrades, and it's > not upgrading a running server system with custom scripts. If it > crashes, damage is very limited. > > That said, I'd love to see a Devuan blend that mimicks Tails, Whonix, > JohnDoe, etc. and provides a secure live CD for anonymity and privacy > preservation. ..as a first step, we should mimick qubes-os.org sans systemd and/or pc etc hardware, so we can see and learn etc how etc systemd does what it does in qubes-os, Debian, Tails, Whonix, JohnDoe, etc so we can come up with ways to e.g. prevent systemd subversion of privacy and mass systemd bank robberies. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:41:05 +0100, richard wrote in message <20160129154105.527b4f678a0b1d58ea7af...@lucassen.org>: > And yes, there is "systemd" in the name. Sorry for that ;-) ..the important thing is what it does when it strikes, not its name, nor what it pretends to do in the mean time. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:06:04 +0100, Florian wrote in message <20160128190604.2f421976.f.zieb...@web.de>: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:20:29 +0100 > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..and we are sure we didn't fall for another > > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheKenThompsonHack ? > > Are we?! ..I suspect not in the long term, in the short term I suspect no effort will be spared to try lull us, PHB etc clients into beliefs that we non-believers-in-systemd are mentally challenged and in desperate need of TLC. Etc. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft
On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:23:02 +, hellekin wrote in message <56acab26.8070...@dyne.org>: > On 01/27/2016 07:27 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > We anti-systemd people are already a tiny minority. > > > > Indeed, Steve, *you* are. > > I'm not anti-systemd. Systemd has the right to exist, like slugs, > bugs, rats, bullshit, bad coffee, or cyanide. I just don't want to > have anything to do with it, and systemd should respect that choice. ...but doesn't. > My opinion on systemd has nothing to do with "we." It has more to do > with "not interested." Therefore I'm going to add a filter that > trashes threads mentioning systemd at all, and I urge you to do the > same, because Devuan is not about systemd, but about freedom of > choice. Obviously people who want systemd already have that choice, > and it's not related to this mailing list. ..one of several problems with that approach, is you will miss e.g. warnings etc info on systemd sabotage on Devuan etc non-systemd distros and on our future clientele, e.g. newspapers, banks, etc. Not a worry this month though. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft
On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:15:40 +, hellekin wrote in message <56aca96c.3030...@dyne.org>: > On 01/28/2016 01:16 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ..small fish, nice tits. ;o) > >>> > >>> The preceding half sentence is one example of something that > >>> should NEVER appear in any Devuan venue. Ever. > >>> > > > > > > ..either way, > > > > I'm sorry to tell you, Arnt Karlsen, that the only correct answer you > should have made is to apologize for this sexist, thoughtless, idiotic > comment. ..with all due respect, I disagree with you. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft
On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:20:43 +, Rainer wrote in message <871t8zjdpw@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>: > Arnt Karlsen writes: > > On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:15:40 +, hellekin wrote in message > > <56aca96c.3030...@dyne.org>: > >> On 01/28/2016 01:16 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [...] > > >> I'm sorry to tell you, Arnt Karlsen, that the only correct answer > >> you should have made is to apologize for this sexist, thoughtless, > >> idiotic comment. > > > > ..with all due respect, I disagree with you. > > There's a saying "on the internet, nobody knows that you're a > dog"[*]. And I consider that generally a good thing and a statement a > la "Hey, that's a dog!" doesn't really contribute something useful to > any discussion. > [*] I'm sometimes tempted to re-phrase this as "on the internet, > everybody thinks you're a dog" ... ..+1 ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..tails boum boum boum: Tails 2.0 is out, systemd "coup d'etat" against torproject.org?
On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 14:05:02 +0100 (CET), Rainer wrote in message : > On Fri, 29 Jan 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..as a first step, we should mimick qubes-os.org sans systemd > > and/or pc etc hardware, so we can see and learn etc how etc > > systemd does what it does in qubes-os, Debian, Tails, Whonix, > > JohnDoe, etc so we can come up with ways to e.g. prevent systemd > > subversion of privacy and mass systemd bank robberies. > > As a first step we all should focus on releasing devuan. Period. ..I mostly disagree, a devuan qubes-os flavor will be a small subset of the full release, and a very handy tool for people stuck on e.g. Debian Wheezy. ..but if we are close enough to a full release, go for it. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me
On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 19:26:48 -0500, Haines wrote in message <20160131002648.gg8...@engels.historicalmaterialism.info>: > I have been running Debian Sid on a laptop with a purged systemd for > quite a few months. Maybe when I now ran # aptitude update or > safe-upgrade for the first time after several months since the Sid > installation systemd-udevd seems to have switched my wireless > interface from wlan0 to wlp3s0. > > Changing the entry in /etc/network/interfaces fixed that problem. So > now I could do a wireless aptitude update and safe-upgrade. > > Even though in /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd I have: > > Package: "systemd" > Pin: origin "" > Pin-Priority: -1 > > Systemd was re-installed. Why didn't this systemd file prevent it? > > Then I found that while root can run starx with no problem, when user > does it the desktop comes up frozen along with mouse and keyboard > input. I found this: > > $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE > (EE) systemd-logind: failed to gete session: The name \ > org.freedesktop.login1 was not provided by any .service \ > files. > > Systemd is not on the system, so where did systemd-logind come from? > How can I block it and recover a usable virtual desktop for user? ..we used to have a "--what-provides" search flag somewhere, man -k, man dpkg-query, man apt-file, man apt-cache etc did not turn up anything ringing any bells for me, so I tried: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=systemd-logind&mode=filename&suite=unstable&arch=any ? ..I like this a lot better: http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=debian ..can we trust these anymore? https://packages.debian.org , http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html ..other ideas: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/198009/what-provides-etc-exports-and-how-do-i-find-that-out https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Debian+%22what-provides%22 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linux+%22what-provides%22 -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 14:44:48 +, Rainer wrote in message <87k2mka61r@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>: > Didier Kryn writes: > > Le 04/02/2016 13:07, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : > >> for the real "general case", > >> someone who blindly trusts the advice of strangers despite he > >> doesn't understand it will end up getting himself in trouble > >> sooner or later and probably rather sooner than later. > > > > Eg nearly any client of a physician, a lawyer... > > The context of my statement was > > , > | We're talking about the general case, where the "maybe not such a > | command line guru" is googling for suggestions and comes across the > | "you can do X by X" answer somewhere. The answer was probably > written | prior to this UEFI mounted filesystem stuff, the user > probably doesn't | understand what half the things returned by mount > our, and uses a | command that supposedly achieves what he needs. > ` > > I hope you're a bit more careful when taking medical or legal advice. ...or financial advice... if you can afford it. ;o) What do banks run these days? ;oD -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
On Thu, 4 Feb 2016 13:33:33 -0500, Steve wrote in message <2016020413.720b2...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 17:42:35 + > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > Simon Hobson writes: > > > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > > > >> "Whoever disagrees with me MUST either have a hidden, maliscious > > >> agenda or be out of his mind" is a pretty standard way to > > >> (attempt to) handle a situation where someone ran out of > > >> arguments but doesn't feel like admitting that. > > > > > > Not at all. I have a perfectly sound argument. You are stubbornly > > > trolling that users deserve to have their hardware bricked. > > > > I never wrote "users deserve ot have their hardware bricked". That's > > another generalization you invented. Apart from that, none of your > > snide remarks about me is even remotely related to the topic under > > discussion. > > This discussion is getting pretty theoretical and philosophical. So > let me ask this question: Is there anyone on this list who would > object to *Devuan* mounting /sys/firmware/efi/efivars read-only? ..me, I do not see any point in keeping it mounted at all. Whenever such a need arises, it should be mounted read-only. If a need to write to /sys/firmware/efi/efivars should happen, the machine should first be taken off-line, backed-up etc out of production and into a maintenance mode, where mounting /sys/firmware/efi/efivars read-write, _may_ be warranted. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 22:46:59 -0500, Hendrik wrote in message <20160206034659.ga23...@topoi.pooq.com>: > On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 09:38:10PM -0500, fsmithred wrote: > > On 02/05/2016 08:48 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > > > Didier Kryn wrote: > > >> > > >> The ability to brick the motherboard is brand new. Therefore > > >> admins should be seriously protected and warned against this > > >> eventuality, at least until it percolates into the general > > >> culture. > > > > > > IIUC, this means malware will now be able to not only > > > erase, but to render its targets unbootable. > > > Also creating a new hardware recovery business. > > > It seems somewhat bleak. Am I overreacting? > > > > > > > > > > Go with the flow, dude. It's worth the risk of malware for the > > benefit of having your vendor push firmware updates whenever they > > want. (Did I get that right?) > > > > Actually, I think you're underreacting. I would edit your statement > > to say, "...render its targets unbootable or worse." Malware > > authors and others who might have bad intentions for your hardware > > generally want it to keep working. > > Perhaps not in warfare. ..against whom? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 01:46:21 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message <56b5425d.6020...@gnuinos.org>: > On 02/05/2016 07:18 PM, Go Linux wrote: > > Every name I came up with was already in multiple use. I also > > thought of netbarx which is completely unique. Kinda like it > > actually. > > > > golinux > > IMO, netbarx is the best choice :) > > Aitor. ..it's immune to "netbarf"? ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 19:18:29 +0100, Svante wrote in message <1454782709.2888.49.ca...@gmail.com>: > On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 19:03 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only > > change the name of the project. > > > > Keep punning for your family members, SCUMBAG!!! > > > > On 06/02/2016, Peter Olson wrote: > > > > On February 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM Edward Bartolo > > > > wrote: > > Please Edward, Peter is no scumbag. Read what he suggests instead. And > calm down! ..also, I just wanted to point out how easily your netbarx name is abused, it only takes "getting one letter wrong", such cheap attacks will happen "just because", because they are so easy to do, and because the other side appears to need such political etc victories to compensate for the absence of their techological etc performance merit. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] writable efi
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 15:36:26 -0500, Hendrik wrote in message <20160206203626.gf5...@topoi.pooq.com>: > On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 07:36:15PM +, Go Linux wrote: > > On Sat, 2/6/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > Subject: [DNG] writable efi > > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2016, 1:26 PM > > > > On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 03:37:05PM +, Go Linux wrote: > > > > > Is it true that /sys/firmware/efi is also mounted rw under > > > sysvinit? Apologies if I missed the answer to this question in > > > this long thread. > > > > > > Not on my nonefi devuan jessie alpha2 system. > > Anyone have an efi jessie to report on? > > > > -- hendrik > > > > > > > > > > /sys/firmware/ and everything in it is mounted rw on my Gigabyte > > legacy board with Devuan installed. > > That's true on my non=efi system, too, but it has > no /sys/firmware/efi. ..can an efi board set up with legacy boot and running e.g. sys-v, be tricked into bricking itself e.g. by reading an "ad" flash movie off a web site and writing it into a new bad /sys/firmware/efi and then "try" a kexec reboot? Etc? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 01:27:26 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message <56b68f6e.4090...@gnuinos.org>: > Hi Edward, > > On 02/06/2016 07:27 PM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 19:03 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >> >Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only > >> >change the name of the project. > >> > > >> >Keep punning for your family members, SCUMBAG!!! > >> > > >> >On 06/02/2016, Peter Olson wrote: > >>>> > > >On February 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM Edward > >>>> > > >Bartolo wrote: > > Please Edward, Peter is no scumbag. Read what he suggests instead. > > And calm down! > > Peter Olson is not offending you. I don't understand your anger. > >Aitor. ..he may have taken offence from my comment on the name, which he may have interpreted as "netbark", I never meant to offend him or anyone else here. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] writable efi
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 10:42:04 +, Dave wrote in message <56b71f7c.9060...@barradas.free-online.co.uk>: > My new Asus laptop is EFI. > Running debian sid, no dual-booting or anything like that. > and cat /proc/mounts has this:- > > efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars efivarfs > rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime 0 0 > > DaveT ..you missed: /dev/sda1 /boot/efi vfat rw,relatime,fmask=0077,dmask=0077,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro 0 0 ..based on #..wtf??? I understand from your own completeness list, I'd say you also missed these: ... udev /dev devtmpfs rw,relatime,size=10240k,nr_inodes=1009093,mode=755 0 0 # ..why this nr_inodes=1009093 thing??? devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000 0 0 ... /dev/sda2 / ext4 rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered 0 0 securityfs /sys/kernel/security securityfs rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime 0 0 #..wtf _is_ this??? ... tmpfs /sys/fs/cgroup tmpfs ro,nosuid,nodev,noexec,mode=755 0 0 cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd cgroup rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,xattr,release_agent=/lib/systemd/systemd-cgroups-agent,name=systemd 0 0 pstore /sys/fs/pstore pstore rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime 0 0 #..wtf _is_ this??? efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars efivarfs rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime 0 0 #..you found this, wtf _is_ this??? cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup/freezer cgroup rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,freezer 0 0 #..wtf _is_ this??? cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup/devices cgroup rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,devices 0 0 cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup/net_cls,net_prio cgroup rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,net_cls,net_prio 0 0 #..wtf _is_ this, systemd's own tor??? cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup/cpuset cgroup rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,cpuset 0 0 cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu,cpuacct cgroup rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,cpu,cpuacct 0 0 cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup/perf_event cgroup rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,perf_event 0 0 cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup/blkio cgroup rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,blkio 0 0 #..wtf _is_ this, systemd's own dd??? systemd-1 /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc autofs rw,relatime,fd=23,pgrp=1,timeout=0,minproto=5,maxproto=5,direct 0 0 #..wtf _is_ this, a new /proc root tree??? debugfs /sys/kernel/debug debugfs rw,relatime 0 0 ... mqueue /dev/mqueue mqueue rw,relatime 0 0 /dev/sda4 /home ext4 rw,noatime,data=ordered 0 0 #..wtf _is_ this, systemd's sensoring your root's email??? /dev/sda1 /boot/efi vfat rw,relatime,fmask=0077,dmask=0077,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro 0 0 #..wtf, this must be your pants around your toes? ..based on wtf I understand from systemd now, I'd say Donald Trump's run for president will survive Debian. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 13:34:11 +0100, Arnt wrote in message <20160206133411.74d85...@nb6.lan>: > On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 01:46:21 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message > <56b5425d.6020...@gnuinos.org>: > > > On 02/05/2016 07:18 PM, Go Linux wrote: > > > Every name I came up with was already in multiple use. I also > > > thought of netbarx which is completely unique. Kinda like it > > > actually. > > > > > > golinux > > > > IMO, netbarx is the best choice :) > > > > Aitor. > > ..it's immune to "netbarf"? ;o) ..it is. ;o) ..I vote for netbarx. :o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Easynetaid is for now netman's new name
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 14:55:27 +, hellekin wrote in message <56b75adf.6090...@dyne.org>: > On 02/07/2016 01:00 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > > > If someone suggests a serious name that is better suited than the > > new name, I will consider it. > > > > I'd like to suggest *netbeam*, also callable by `beammeup` or `beam > [me] up [Scotty]` > > There's no netbeam package nor any `beam` UNIX command. > > == > hk > ..netbarx, I raise you "barx": arnt@celsius:~$ man -k barx barx: nothing appropriate. arnt@celsius:~$ dpkg -l |wc -l 15854 # ..a lot of crap on my Debian Sid box. ;o) arnt@celsius:~$ -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] writable efi
On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 14:47:54 +, Rainer wrote in message <87pow84lwl@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>: > Arnt Karlsen writes: > > On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 10:42:04 +, Dave wrote in message > > <56b71f7c.9060...@barradas.free-online.co.uk>: > >> My new Asus laptop is EFI. > >> Running debian sid, no dual-booting or anything like that. > >> and cat /proc/mounts has this:- > >> > >> efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars efivarfs > >> rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime 0 0 > >> > >> DaveT > > > > ..you missed: > > /dev/sda1 /boot/efi vfat > > That's the EFI boot partition. Since that's a specfication written by > hardware guys, EFI using global variables for inter-module > communication and the FAT filesystem (and god-only-knows what other > kinds of deficient 1980s technology --- edge-triggered interrupts, > anyone?) shouldn't come as a surprise. ..right, so the key to your boot is in /dev/sda1 alias /boot/efi, or in a chip on the board, or is it Facebook style "complicated"? > [...] > > > securityfs /sys/kernel/security securityfs > > FS-interface for configuring kernel 'security modules'. ..controlled by what??? ..or by whom, the kernel guys or the systemd boys? > [...] > > > pstore /sys/fs/pstore pstore rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime 0 0 > > #..wtf _is_ this??? > > 'Persistent storage fs' for storing kernel crashdump information such > that it survives a reboot./ ..sounds abuseable, e.g. "crashdump" a "suspend-image" and kexec boot it to e.g. "edit" Ian Murdock's autopsy report? Etc? > > efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars > > [...] > > > #..you found this, wtf _is_ this??? > > The filesystem providing access to the EFI variable service. > > > cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup/freezer cgroup > > rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,freezer 0 0 > > #..wtf _is_ this??? > > [...] > > Altogoether, some bizarre 'control group filesystem' arrangement > chosed by systemd. 'Control groups' (originally implemented by SGI) > support putting processes in - well - control groups. This is > (together with namespace support) the base for 'Linux containers' > virtualization (another feature systemd usurped[*]). > > [*] Disclaimer: I'm getting paid to work on a product which uses this > technology such that it cannot possibly coexist with systemd. As > such I'm one of these morally repugnant closed-source developers > and RedHat using money made from Linux for subsidizing Poettering et > al breaking out stuff is obviously just what we deserve. ..good to know. ;o) > > systemd-1 /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc autofs > > rw,relatime,fd=23,pgrp=1,timeout=0,minproto=5,maxproto=5,direct 0 0 > > #..wtf _is_ this, a new /proc root tree??? > > Automounter filesystem. ..automounting everything behind the scenes? > [...] > > > mqueue /dev/mqueue mqueue rw,relatime 0 0 /dev/sda4 /home ext4 > > rw,noatime,data=ordered 0 0 > > #..wtf _is_ this, systemd's sensoring your root's email??? > > Pseudo-filesystem which is part of the POSIX message queue > implementation. ...which can or cannot be used to censor root's etc email??? Etc? ..I used to help teach AA gunnery flying target "drones." AA gunnery is done "leading the target", aiming ahead of "where it is now" far enough so your ammo can make it into your target and bring it down or scare it away. ..lots of guesswork involved in AA gunnery, some can be guesstimated, and ofcourse you'll miss if you guess your target's manouvering wrong, and ofcourse his ammo can hit you pretty badly. AFAICT, systemd is no different. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] writable efi
On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 13:10:16 +, Rainer wrote in message <87h9hkmzt3@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>: > Arnt Karlsen writes: > > > [...] > > >> > /sys/firmware/ and everything in it is mounted rw on my Gigabyte > >> > legacy board with Devuan installed. > >> > >> That's true on my non=efi system, too, but it has > >> no /sys/firmware/efi. > > > > ..can an efi board set up with legacy boot and running e.g. sys-v, > > be tricked into bricking itself e.g. by reading an "ad" flash movie > > off a web site and writing it into a new bad /sys/firmware/efi and > > then "try" a kexec reboot? Etc? > > As far as I remember, I'm using an EFI-capable system in legacy > mode[*] and the efivarfs module can't be inserted into my kernel. > It's rejected with > > ERROR: could not insert 'efivarfs': No such device > > But this may be different on other systems and there's reportedly > also a /sys-based older interface for accessing the EFI variable > service. It should be possible to test this with > > modprobe efivarfs > > one could also remove the module (mine is called > > 4.5.0-rc2-net/kernel/fs/efivarfs/efivarfs.ko ..these are the fairy tales we are told nowadays. ..can a Devuan box be bricked etc with such EFI/systemd type stunts using _other_, non-EFI, non-systemd names??? > ) or compile a kernel without support for the efivarfs (File systems/ > Pseudo filesystems/ EFI Variable filesystem) or without any support > for EFI runtime services (Processor type and features/ EFI runtime > service support) > > [*] I installed that by taking the disk out and connecting it to my > former work computer, followed by copying the old system and then > switched everything off which looked unfamiliar/ fishy during first > boot of the new one without paying much attention to that. ..sounds familiar, I have a laptop disk running in its 5th machine, online with "wlan4"... once I yank "eth2"... ;oD -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 17, Issue 39
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 21:07:12 +, KatolaZ wrote in message <20160207210712.ga...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Sun, Feb 07, 2016 at 09:01:25PM +0100, info at smallinnovations.nl > wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > > > The original Pi is not fully armhf (ARM6 instruction set instead of > > ARM7) and your choice is to use armel packages or compile armhf > > with the arm6 flag. > > > > The problem is that Devuan has only armhf so far :) I know the pi zero > has an ARM6, but it has a FPU and the raspbian jessie declares itself > as "armhf". This probably means that they compiled all the packages > for arm6? > > If it is inly a matter of recompiling for armhf with the arm6 flag, > shall we try to put together a devuan for arm6? ..yup, and it is worth the while starting from the Raspian Wheezy flavor a year ago, rather than todays Raspian Jessie. I have one of each ready for guinea pig service. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 17, Issue 39
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 22:09:44 +, KatolaZ wrote in message <20160207220944.gc...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Sun, Feb 07, 2016 at 10:49:48PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > > > If it is inly a matter of recompiling for armhf with the arm6 > > > flag, shall we try to put together a devuan for arm6? > > > > ..yup, and it is worth the while starting from the Raspian > > Wheezy flavor a year ago, rather than todays Raspian Jessie. > > I have one of each ready for guinea pig service. ;o) > > > > The problem is that the old Raspbian wheezy won't boot on pi0, due to > a firmware problem (I tried that one before trying the tainted jessie, > obviously...). There is a workaround though, which consists on > upgrading the firmware to the newest version from a pi1 or a pi2, but > I haven't tried it. > > I really would like to have a devuan armhf port compiled for arm6, to > get advantage of the FPU. Honestly, it has been a long time since I > had the whole toolchain installed to cross-compile for arm, but this > would probably be worth the effort, and convince me to travel a few > years back in time. There are a lot of people out there using pis, and > some are already complaining about systemd, and many would love a > pi-vuan. Any volunteers around? :) ..I did mention "guinea pig service" for my test animals? ;o) ..and I still haven't heard any disk space numbers here, are our mirrors the same size as Debian's mirrors??? Decides which disk etc I use in my own mirror box. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 08:30:28 +, KatolaZ wrote in message <20160208083028.gd...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 07:35:24AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 01:27:19PM +1100, Simon Wise wrote: > > > >>My understanding is that both the rpi0 and rpi1 are based on a > > > >>ARMv6 chip, which makes them closer to armel than to armhf. So, > > > >>I'm afraid you're stuck with raspbian for now. > > > > > > raspbian is in between armel and armhf because debian armel is > > > (or was then) compiled without hard float support while debian > > > armhf is compiled for arm7 ... so since PIs are arm6 with FPU > > > neither is suitable ... raspbian is compiled to suit PIs. > > > > Actually, armel _is_ perfectly suitable, just a bit slower. > > However, rapbian guys wanted to use all the computing power of pi's > > CPU, and thus used a debased version of armhf. They really should > > have named the architecture different. > > > > That's my point. Debian armhf is something quite specific (basically, > at least ARMv7 + VFPU3), and Debian armel is something else, still > specific (ARM with soft FPU, so almost anything else), while Raspbian > is "branded" armhf but is neither, since it is compiled for > ARMv6+VFPU2, as I found out googling around. They should have called > it differently. ..and, setting up this new port/arch that needs its own correct name, shouldn't we name it correctly? ;o) ..e.g. "ARMv6+VFPU2"? Or "rpi-1"? ..is the Raspberry Zero hardware way different, i.e. not ARMv6+VFPU2 since it doesn't boot off Raspian Wheezy? ..acconding to the foundation, it's "A(?)+ minus camera" etc and clocked 30% faster, which might cause a need for slightly higher cpu etc voltage settings. > The problem wouldn't be compiling the packages, which can be done with > a cross-compiler + toolchain on any more powerful piece of hw, but > perhaps putting together an entire port for such a specific target, > although it is a quite popular one. > > HND > > KatolaZ > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 11:14:26 +0100, info wrote in message <56b86a82.1050...@smallinnovations.nl>: > I have several Pi's B+, 2B and A+ in use or in use by others as > webradio client, personal backup cloud with btsync (6 Pi's and 3 Tb > disks), ..set up how, if you have a recipe? > webradioserver with shoutcast and as a server for a 3d printer. > > BTW one of the funniest things with booting Raspbian Jessie is the > message something like Adding Debian fixes to make systemd work > better. > > For the Pi 2 B i have installed Ubuntu 15.10 with support for a 5" > touchscreen but i would like to install Devuan Jessie when it is > stable. ..eh, all you need is one extra sd-card to play with, to _help_make_ Devuan stable. Devuan stable etc is not going to happen if everybody sits waiting for it to "become stable." > I have no experience in setting up a distro, toolchain and > the like but always prepared to learn something new. It would be > usefull for myself too because my next webradio will be a Pi Zero in > a lunchbox. > > Nick -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 18:46:11 +0100, info wrote in message <56ba25e3.2080...@smallinnovations.nl>: > On 09-02-16 06:21, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 14:24:39 +0100 From: Arnt Karlsen > > To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] > > Migration to devuan Jessie failed on rpi-zero Message-ID: > > <20160208142439.6bd0e...@nb6.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 11:14:26 +0100, info wrote in > > message <56b86a82.1050...@smallinnovations.nl>: > >> >I have several Pi's B+, 2B and A+ in use or in use by others as > >> >webradio client, personal backup cloud with btsync (6 Pi's and 3 > >> >Tb disks), > > ..set up how, if you have a recipe? > I suppose you mean the personal backup cloud? I will write a small > howto later this week. ..ok, that'll work nicely, I was thinking of "on each Pi." :o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] state of what's working for modern desktop usage
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 11:24:38 -0500, Steve wrote in message <20160209112438.3f4c8...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 12:16:08 +0100 > Didier Kryn wrote: > > > I always wondered why there existed network-manager at all > > For the reasons I enumerated above. I don't use NetworkManager because > it's too much baggage, but I have to admit, its human-engineering is > spectacular **on a window manager with a panel**. ..wicd? Easiest Gui 5 years ago, It Just Works, and It Just Worked when NetworkManager et al Trashed my networking. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Are you still paranoid if you turned out to be right?
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:09:22 +, Rainer wrote in message <87r3ggmyu5@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>: > Steve Litt writes: > > [...] > > > www.infoworld.com/article/3032647/open-source-tools/face-it-theres-no-money-in-open-source.html > > Matt Asay is a professional 'open core' (formerly known as > 'shareware') apologist who is always busy with pointing out that > 'shareware' is really 'open source' as 'open source' doesn't exist > (except as nefarious marketing ploy by anyone but 'shareware > companies'). "Giving everything away for free" is obviously not a > viable business model as there's no return but this ought to be too > obvious for pointing it out that frequently. Considering this, his > statements about companies which don't (or at least usually don't) > sell 'code access rights' should be taken with a grain of salt. ..he also wrote this piece: http://www.infoworld.com/article/2692889/open-source-software/coreos-an-existential-threat-to-linux-vendors.html where his "Red Hat goes Atomic on CoreOS" chapter provides a response idea, "CoreOS minus systemd" ... -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Are you still paranoid if you turned out to be right?
On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 21:36:54 -0500, Steve wrote in message <20160212213654.35944...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:40:18 -0800 > GoOSSBears wrote: > > > --- sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: > > From: Steve Litt > > To: > > Subject: [DNG] Are you still paranoid if you turned out to be right? > > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:53:15 -0500 > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > For those of you who remember the most unpopular stuff I said on > > > Debian-User, the stuff I said about Red Hat, the stuff people > > > called me a conspiracy theorist for: Am I still paranoid if it > > > turned out I was right? > > > > IIRC, the very last time you posted on Debian-User was back on 22 > > Oct 2014 [01][02]. So would you care to elaborate what those > > previous D-U posts were where you said the "unpopular stuff" on RH, > > among your D-U postings that year from March[03], April[04], > > May[05], June[06], July[07], August[08], September[09], and/or > > October[10] ?? > > > > TY > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/10/msg00800.html > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/10/msg01808.html > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/09/msg01356.html > > There are more, but it's difficult because the Debian archives aren't > searchable. Anyway, these three give you the feel for what I'm talking > about. ..you were too naïve and not nearly paranoid enough: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/NEWS ..our dear Lennart explained my Sid networking problems: ;o) https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-2016-FOSDEM (or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JNdeIs9jR8 ) ..has anyone tried decompile their /lib/systemd trees? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Enlightenment anyone? ;)
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 20:53:01 +, asbesto wrote in message <20160213205301.ga8...@freaknet.org>: > > Enlightenment. > > FANTASTIC desktop manager. Very lightweight, very beautiful and > very usable. > > Is someone working on it? ;) > > I know it can be compiled without the systemd shit. > > ;) > ..I tried it last week on my Debian sid box, _total_ bullshit nowadays, very possible it's systemd's fault, it _used_ to be quite nice. ..I cannot boot it with neither systemd nor sysvinit, I have to boot it into the rescue mode, then do "systemctl isolate graphical.target", kill off a few heavyweight services and then do a "systemctl restart kdm.service"... ;oD ..can anyone with a _lean_ devuan sysvinit install show me their ls -lAF /etc/rc2.d/ so I can mow mine and do a sysvinit boot and migrate it to devuan? It's Perrrsssonal now. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd==bad
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 14:52:12 +, Simon wrote in message <74d53005-88bb-489e-acdf-7619c26b3...@thehobsons.co.uk>: > KatolaZ wrote: > > > The vast majority of people I know who work with Linux > > servers are doing the best they can to keep old Wheezy intallations, > > and those who can't are switching to something else (either Devuan, > > or other systemd-free distros, or FreeBSD). > > > > I admit that my (very restricted) social circle might be a bit > > peculiar, though :) > > Doesn't sound that bad to me - I'm about to start adding Wheezy LTS > repos to my systems. ..this would be the very best starting point for Devuan as a distro. > > But then I still have Squeeze and Lenny systems running (they aren't > broken ...) - don't think I have anything older than that ! -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Rpi2 Lxde
On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 07:39:13 +, KatolaZ wrote in message <20160307073913.gn13...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Sun, Mar 06, 2016 at 10:53:51AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > * On 2016 06 Mar 02:51 -0600, aitor_czr wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I just uploaded an image of Devuan for Raspberry Pi 2 with LXDE. > > > > My guess is this will not run on the original Pi model B? > > > > - Nate > > > > It probably won't, since rpi2 is armhf, while rpi1 and rpi0 are midway > between armel and armhf. I have been running a few test with a custom > toolchain to make a bootable image for rpi0/1. The base system works > (single-user with bash and busybox, now I might play a bit around to > have coreutils instead), even if there are a few tweaks to > implement. > > The problem is that this would be an almost completely independent > port, for which we might not have enough energy though. It would be > good to have a pivuan for armv6 + FP2 for rpi0, but it is true that > with the new rpi3 it would be far better and easier to invest time in > a pivuan for armhf, which is what aitor is rightfully doing. The > packages are already there, and there is no need to support another > port... ..this means Devuan is _not_ the answer for the millions of armv6+FP2/rpi0/1 users out there. Pity, we could have used them here. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ..booting an old Sid->Ceres past runlevel 1... no login joy
Hi, ..I'm overlooking something silly stupid, my last Debian Sid box didn't wanna boot sysv anymore, possibly because I held systemd firmly at version 228-6 and booted it up from sysv, enough is enough, right? ;o) ..the last coupla days the thing would only boot sysv in runlevel 1, everything else runlevels S, 2-5 and even "systemd recovery", fails. ..so I did a Devuan conversion. Like most Debian users, I rarely install boxes, this Sid->Ceres laptop I istalled back in 2007, in the good old days when sysv did its thing slow enough to let me see and learn a wee bit of WTF it did on boot-up. ..some Statoil etc astro turfers decided I was important enough to keep busy in post-Groklaw litigation, so I missed the finer systemd novelty and showdown, it didn't mess up too badly, I made my deadlines, I had wire when netmanager killed wifi, and pulseaudio was merely an harmless 8 month annoyance. ..now having thrown out all the systemd crud I see mentioned here at DNG, I'm still left with runlevel 1, the damned thin will only accept root's passwd on the console, I can start and run ssh and X etc all day, and it works all nice except I have my password rejected once I try a login. ..exactly how is a Devuan boot supposed to work these days? And what systemd crud could could my logins? And what logs do I check these days? ..last time I had this laptop this bogged down, I simply wiped /etc/rc2.d/ clean and made it lean, does anyone have a lean Devuan machine so I can see /etc/rcS.d/ and /etc/rc2.d/ listings? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..booting an old Sid->Ceres past runlevel 1... no login joy
On Wed, 18 May 2016 13:05:31 -0400, Boruch wrote in message <20160518170531.gk32...@e15-2016.optimum.net>: > On 2016-05-18 18:24, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > DNG, I'm still left with runlevel 1, the damned thin will only > > accept root's passwd on the console, I can start and run ssh and X > > etc all day, and it works all nice except I have my password > > rejected once I try a login. > > Sounds to me like an issue with 'pam', and that you're fix will be in > /etc/pam.d. ..aye, behold: root@debian:/var/cache/apt/archives# ll /etc/pam.d total 200 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 235 Aug 10 2014 atd -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 384 Feb 16 2011 chfn -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 92 Feb 16 2011 chpasswd -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 581 Feb 16 2011 chsh -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 56 Jul 13 2015 cinnamon-screensaver -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1312 May 17 23:45 common-account -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1498 May 17 23:45 common-auth -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1633 May 17 23:45 common-password -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1364 May 17 23:45 common-session -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1286 May 17 23:45 common-session-noninteractive -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 606 May 25 2014 cron -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 69 Jun 9 2014 cups -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 56 Nov 25 2007 gnome-screensaver -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 987 Nov 9 2013 kdm -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1031 Nov 9 2013 kdm-np -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1354 Oct 17 2015 lightdm -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1364 Oct 17 2015 lightdm-autologin -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 493 Oct 17 2015 lightdm-greeter -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4756 Apr 30 2014 login -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 57 Mar 13 2014 mate-screensaver -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 564 Sep 14 2013 mock -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 147 Nov 19 02:04 newrole -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 92 Feb 16 2011 newusers -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 919 Mar 23 15:54 nodm -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 520 Jun 21 2011 other -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 135 Feb 14 2015 ovirt-hibernate -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 135 Feb 14 2015 ovirt-locksession -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 135 Jan 7 22:33 ovirt-logout -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 135 Feb 14 2015 ovirt-shutdown -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 92 Feb 16 2011 passwd -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 255 Oct 15 2013 polkit-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 168 Jan 19 2011 ppp -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 162 Feb 25 2012 quagga -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 95 Nov 19 02:04 run_init -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 143 Oct 5 2014 runuser -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 105 Nov 27 04:36 runuser-l -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 84 Nov 12 2011 samba -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1199 Jul 24 2012 schroot -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1686 Jan 4 22:27 sddm -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1338 Jan 4 22:27 sddm-autologin -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1255 Jan 4 22:27 sddm-greeter -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1300 Jun 8 2015 slim -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 108 Oct 15 2015 slock -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2133 Aug 5 2014 sshd -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2257 Mar 14 2014 su -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 95 Jan 12 2012 sudo -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1205 May 8 2015 wdm -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 871 Dec 11 21:55 xdm -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 108 Oct 30 2011 xscreensaver root@debian:/var/cache/apt/archives# mc /etc/pam.d/ > > ..exactly how is a Devuan boot supposed to work these days? > > And what systemd crud could could my logins? > > systemd-logind ..nope, but there was crud allright. root@debian:/var/cache/apt/archives# dpkg -l |grep systemd |cut -c -123 |fmt -su ii dh-systemd 1.29+devuan1.0 all ii gnome-logs 3.20.1-1 amd64 pc libsystemd-daemon0:amd64 215-18 amd64 pc libsystemd-id128-0:amd64 215-18 amd64 pc libsystemd-journal0:amd64 215-18 amd64 pc libsystemd-login0:amd64 215-18 amd64 ii libsystemd0:amd64 229-6 amd64 ii systemd-shim 9-1 amd64 root@debian:/var/cache/apt/archives# > > And what logs do I check these days? > > /var/log/auth.log ..bingo, lotsa whining about a faulty module and a culprit in my claw: root@debian:/var/cache/apt/archives# less /var/log/auth.log root@debian:/var/cache/apt/archives# dpkg -S /lib/security/pam_abl.so dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /lib/security/pam_abl.so root@debian:/var/cache/apt/archives# root@debian:/var/cache/apt/archives# zcat /usr/share/doc/libpam-abl/NEWS.Debian.gz libpam-abl (0.6.0-3) unstable; urgency=medium Starting from version 0.6.0-1, libpam-abl is enabled globally using pam-auth-update. Please see README.Debian for more details. -- Alexandre Mestiashvili Mon, 12 May 2014 13:04:50 +0200 root@debian:/var/cache/apt/archives# cat /usr/share/doc/libpam-abl/README.Debian pam-abl for Debian === By default the pam-abl PAM module is enabled for sshd service only. A user who mistyped a password 3 times will be blocked for 1 hour. A host with 30 failed attempts will be blocked for 1 hour. Default config file: /etc/security/pam_abl.conf See the pam_abl.conf(5) man page for the syntax and pam_abl(1) for information about the management tool. Starting from version 0.6.0-1, libapm-abl confi
Re: [DNG] ..booting an old Sid->Ceres past runlevel 1... no login joy
On Wed, 18 May 2016 19:23:27 +0200, Irrwahn wrote in message <48e882e7-9b75-2bb5-769f-a93c4126e...@freenet.de>: > On Wed, 18 May 2016 18:24:23 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [about booting a system after Debian\Sid to Devuan\Ceres transition] > > > ..now having thrown out all the systemd crud I see mentioned here > > at DNG, I'm still left with runlevel 1, the damned thin will only > > accept root's passwd on the console, I can start and run ssh and X > > etc all day, and it works all nice except I have my password > > rejected once I try a login. > > > > > > ..exactly how is a Devuan boot supposed to work these days? > > And what systemd crud could could my logins? > > And what logs do I check these days? > > > > ..last time I had this laptop this bogged down, I simply wiped > > /etc/rc2.d/ clean and made it lean, does anyone have a lean > > Devuan machine so I can see /etc/rcS.d/ and /etc/rc2.d/ listings? > > Hi Arnt, > > below you find the output of ls /etc/rc[S2].d, created > using one of the unofficial minimal Devuan Jessie beta > images posted on DNG a few days ago. ..thank you. :o) > However, with all due respect, just wiping the thing > and doing a genuine Devuan install might save you a lot > of headache. Just thinking. ..the crazy thing is you are actually wrong here, ;o) this install will survive 2 disks, 4 laptops and a desktop box. ;oD ..it started as Squeeze/Sid on a Fujitsu Celsius H240 on a 160GB disk, first the disk died and the OS was dd'ed onto a 750GB, then the Celsius needed a certain thawing procedure to boot, as the thaw gradient window narrowed, the 750GB moved into a desktop and then an HP nw8440 with such nice tight lid hinges one broke, then a few weeks in a Lifebook S6420 until a wee gale broke the screen, another coupla weeks in a big ass Amilo Xi 1554 and now it's in a Dell Precision M4400, honed to my taste, all done m wy. ;o) > Regards > Urban > > > /etc/rc2.d: > README > S01motd > S01rsyslog > S01uuidd > S02acpid > S02atd > S02cron > S02gpm > S02rsync > S02ssh > S03bootlogs > S04rc.local > S04rmnologin > > /etc/rcS.d: > README > S01live-config > S02hostname.sh > S02mountkernfs.sh > S03udev > S04mountdevsubfs.sh > S05keymap.sh > S06keyboard-setup > S08checkroot.sh > S09checkfs.sh > S10checkroot-bootclean.sh > S10kmod > S11mountall.sh > S12mountall-bootclean.sh > S13procps > S13udev-finish > S13urandom > S14networking > S15rpcbind > S16nfs-common > S17mountnfs.sh > S18mountnfs-bootclean.sh > S19kbd > S20console-setup > S21bootmisc.sh > S21screen-cleanup > S22live-tools > ..has anyone tried to do e.g. an /etc/rcR.d, or is my big ass /etc/rcS.d pile best spread out across /etc/rc[3-5].d ? root@debian:/var/cache/apt/archives# ll /etc/rcS.d/ |wc -l 58 root@debian:/var/cache/apt/archives# ll /etc/rc2.d/ |wc -l 91 root@debian:/var/cache/apt/archives# ll /etc/rc3.d/ |wc -l 311 root@debian:/var/cache/apt/archives# ..the one big thing I like about systemd, is I've been able to escape from bat shit high load near crashes with e.g. "systemctl isolate kdm". Wonderful idea we should steal into our next init and process management packages. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ..all joy now, was: ..booting an old Sid->Ceres past runlevel 1... no login joy
On Wed, 18 May 2016 16:10:19 -0400, Boruch wrote in message <20160518201019.ga1...@e15-2016.optimum.net>: > On 2016-05-18 21:27, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Wed, 18 May 2016 13:05:31 -0400, Boruch wrote in message > > > Sounds to me like an issue with 'pam', and that you're fix will > > > be in /etc/pam.d. > > > ... > > > > ..thanks, I'll try this next if the pam diagnosis fails. > > Glad to be of help. Let us know how it worked out. ..all joy now (except I'm a wee bit delayed getting my tax forms out the door), I did try whitelist myself but no joy there, so I went with the nice reicpe in: 484 zcat /usr/share/doc/libpam-abl/NEWS.Debian.gz 485 cat /usr/share/doc/libpam-abl/README.Debian 488 aptitude purge libpam-abl 490 dpkg -P libpam-abl "The pam-abl's libdb databases (/var/lib/abl) are not removed automatically when the package is removed. In order to remove it compeltely use purge: apt-get purge libpam-abl. If pam_abl tool is not able to read the backend database ( usually after Berkeley DB update on the host ) just delete the database: rm -f /var/lib/abl/* " ..thanks, everyone. :o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings
On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:37:54 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message <20160519163754.ga12...@topoi.pooq.com>: > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 06:18:17PM +0200, Irrwahn wrote: > > On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:03:57 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > I would love a wayy to diable CAPSLOCK entirely. The few times I > > > actually need it I can hold the shift key down, but turing caps > > > lock on is a cocmmon typo for 'a'. It I'm in mutt (as I am now) > > > that has serious consequences. > > > > You mean something like this: > > > > setxkbmap -option caps:none > > Yes, and where should I put this command? ..and, can it be disabled or reset automagically after e.g. 30 seconds? Or on e.g. leaving the text editor briefly? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings
On Thu, 19 May 2016 22:04:32 +0200, Irrwahn wrote in message : > On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:57:26 +0200, Irrwahn Grausewitz wrote: > > > [1] See man xkeyboard-config for a full list of available > > options. Beware, it's huge! > > Or have a look at /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst ..thanks, I got sidetracked suggesting fpv/vr goggles with head tracking to a guy planning an 8 screen glider simulator cave for his glider club over at flightgear-user. ..if everything else fails, a wee at or sleep timer oughtta be able to reset the caps lock key. Check out man timeout. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pulseaudio ...
On Wed, 25 May 2016 11:40:27 -0400, Steve wrote in message <20160525114027.64eb3...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > On Wed, 25 May 2016 07:56:57 +0200 > wrote: > > > Is pulseaudio necessary? As i understand it (and as i remember), it > > shouldn't be needed (in lubuntu at least in former times) it was not > > installed ... (?) But it's a long time i was away from Debian ... > > There's no Pulseaudio on my system. So I don't get centralized > individual volume controls for each of my sound sources. Boo hoo hoo > hoo hoo. > > When I need to use the Microsoft sabotaged Skype, which requires > Pulseaudio, I run it via apulse instead, and it works just fine. No > reason to use Pulseaudio itself. > > IMHO Alsa is sufficient. > > Once I built a Manjaro-OpenRC system with no Pulseaudio AND no Alsa. > Just OSS. Worked great, played Youtube videos just fine. I've never > again been able to do that. ..well, we're not exactly out of sound server options: ;o) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_software_for_audio#Technologies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_audio_software#Sound_servers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_server ..why not try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JACK_Audio_Connection_Kit on ditching PulseAudio? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] postgres
On Fri, 27 May 2016 20:43:19 -0500, Héctor wrote in message <2e4dd8cc0972104f191cbe8aa981b...@genac.org>: > Hello all. > > What is the proper way to report a problem with a package? ..as root: "aptitude install reportbug ", then ^D and in your case here: "reportbug postgres ". ..we have reportbug set up to devuan.org and not debian.org? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linux-libre-4.5.4
On Sat, 28 May 2016 09:28:58 +0200, aitor_czr wrote in message <574948ba.8070...@gnuinos.org>: > I applied succesfully 138 patches of debian to linux-libre-4.5.4 and > just started building it in devuan jessie, including all the required > udeb modules for the installer. > > Crossing my fingers :) > > What do you think about including all the packages of VDEV in the > installer of the beta of gnuinos, together with simple-netaid and the > refracta tools, but in a separate udeb package, named *vdev-udeb*? ..go for it! :o) > It would be a test bed for Devuan... ..maybe a side-by-side installation, so we can boot e.g." --with-vdev" to test it, and so we can revert with e.g. " --with-systemd-udev" if vdev fails? ..would also open a path out here for the Debian Wheezy etc LTS crowd. > Thanks in advance, > >Aitor. ..thank you! :o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan
On Sun, 29 May 2016 17:09:23 +0200, Irrwahn wrote in message <3d8aba45-52b3-8c33-0e0c-ef47920a5...@freenet.de>: > On Sun, 29 May 2016 16:46:22 +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > I contest the idea that software has to be continuously developed. > > Eventually, proper development stop like what happens with a > > building. Then, maintenance follows. This means as long as software > > has bug fixes (maintenance), there would be no justified reason not > > to use it. > > Correct. And in the SLiM case there has not been any noteworthy > maintenance for ~3 years, lest any bug fixes. It is in the process > of deterioration — just like an unmaintained building, to stay in > the picture. ..in my user case, SLiM does _not_ support locking the screen: I can push the button and have the screen go black, problem is it _stay_ black, like it kills the graphics, keyboard and touch pad drivers. Ssh-ing in works, but the easiest fix is yank the power, do a fsck boot and then boot to the console and switch to kdm or wdm etc. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...
On Sun, 29 May 2016 08:20:01 +0200, Edward wrote in message : > Hi All, > > Since programming is done by people, who often have a motive behind > their actions, the question as to why this is happening is not > technical, but sociological. The new 'winds of change' that are > affecting free unix like OSs like Linux, are powered by a deep belief > that users are often unwilling to make the least of efforts to > understand what goes inside their computers. ..I beg to differ, the above deep belief is merely the means to push systemd etc on us, their zeal goes beyond money, these guys act like they try to win WWIII, e.g. by subverting GNU/Linux to defeat Tor. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] apt-get upgrade does nothing
On Sun, 29 May 2016 14:48:35 -0400, Steve wrote in message <20160529144835.58982...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > Hi all, > > My Devuan VM mysteriously stopped booting while I didn't use it for 2 > weeks. So I simply reinstalled from the same CD image as last time. > > Obviously, when you fresh install off a CD image, the first thing you > do is apt-get update;apt-get upgrade. The update did what was > expected, but the upgrade produced 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 > not upgraded. > > I would assume that when I install off a 1 month old CD image, a lot > of packages would be old and in need of upgrade. Does anyone have any > suggestions? ../etc/apt/sources.list etc points to the right mirrors and is correctly seen by apt, dns etc? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linux-libre-4.5.4
On Sun, 29 May 2016 16:12:10 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message <20160529141210.GC13046@reflex>: > On Sat, 28 May 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > It would be a test bed for Devuan... > > > > ..maybe a side-by-side installation, so we can boot e.g." > > --with-vdev" to test it, and so we can revert with e.g. " > > --with-systemd-udev" if vdev fails? > > we'd love to have a vdev package, but maintainance of it in Devuan is > not yet assigned. please note that vdev is made to run also in > parallel with udev and it should not disturb its functioning, so > testing should be fairly easy. ..eerie. Means systemd-udev can subvert vdev. ..is there a non-systemd udev out there anywhere? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan
On Sun, 29 May 2016 20:37:08 +0100, dev1fanboy wrote in message : > To add my two cents.. > > Since it's an important package, ..I disagree that SLiM is important, we have several alternatives, e.g.wdm and xdm. > maybe it's worth seeing if someone > can whip up a patch if there isn't already. > > Also worth pointing out that lilo is without an upstream maintainer > as of recently. ..which means it too may develop into a problem. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] apt-get upgrade does nothing
On Sun, 29 May 2016 20:17:08 -0400, Steve wrote in message <20160529201708.7ab88...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > On Sun, 29 May 2016 20:21:54 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > > > On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 03:13:32PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > > > > > > Back in the days when I used Ubuntu and Debian Stable, I seem to > > > remember having to upgrade every few days and having several > > > security upgrades happen. > > > > > > > Do you have jessie-updates and jessie-security in your sources.list? > > > > HND > > > > KatolaZ > > > > I don't know. My /etc/apt/sources.list is shown at > http://lpaste.net/164802 . ...and lists both: # deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main deb-src http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main # jessie-security, previously known as 'volatile' deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main deb-src http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile' deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main deb-src http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan
On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:51:20 +0100, dev1fanboy wrote in message <49f74ba291012d3690f645b43a2f79c0.startm...@www.startmail.com>: > There's a good reason to keep things around too, in that you cannot > be forced into a lock-in style upgrade. ..aye, and I see there may be a new bug-fix build coming out of git that will need guinea pigs. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan
On Mon, 30 May 2016 13:26:03 +0200, Irrwahn wrote in message : > On Mon, 30 May 2016 13:08:21 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:51:20 +0100, dev1fanboy wrote in message > > <49f74ba291012d3690f645b43a2f79c0.startm...@www.startmail.com>: > > > >> There's a good reason to keep things around too, in that you cannot > >> be forced into a lock-in style upgrade. > > > > ..aye, and I see there may be a new bug-fix build coming out > > of git that will need guinea pigs. ;o) > > The sarcasm is strong with this one. > > SCNR ;o) ..aye, leave those sarcasms for your own test reports. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linux-libre-4.5.4
On Mon, 30 May 2016 13:36:43 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message <20160530113643.GB32479@reflex>: > On Sun, 29 May 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > we'd love to have a vdev package, but maintainance of it in > > > Devuan is not yet assigned. please note that vdev is made to run > > > also in parallel with udev and it should not disturb its > > > functioning, so testing should be fairly easy. > > > > ..eerie. Means systemd-udev can subvert vdev. > > why does it means that? I can't see any reason ..this far I'm only aware of political, military, monetary etc power/might reasons why these zealots would want to subvert us, but I dunno enough on the tech details on how, when and where they would do that to us. > why systemd-udev can > subvert vdev. I'd be surprised to say the least. ..then you are too damned naïve. BTDT, still bleeding. > I wrote that vdev is engineered to not clash with udev. > > > ..is there a non-systemd udev out there anywhere? > > yes... this has been extensively covered in docs and messages. ..I should have said "packaged into .debs ready for user tests?", and I need a new email server, I constantly hear of bounces, I'm still deep in post-Groklaw litigation. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linux-libre-4.5.4
On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:15:54 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message <20160530151554.GA19164@reflex>: > > > dear Arnt, > > On Mon, 30 May 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..this far I'm only aware of political, military, monetary etc > > power/might reasons why these zealots would want to subvert us, but > > I dunno enough on the tech details on how, when and where they would > > do that to us. > > I don't think anyone developing systemd is focusing at disrupting > alternatives. when that happens, is only because of their myopic > approach of rewriting and substituting everything that exists... ..no, they went into distros the banana republic politics way. And then we have those mission creepy next steps. > > > why systemd-udev can subvert vdev. I'd be surprised to say the > > > least. > > > > ..then you are too damned naïve. BTDT, still bleeding. > > ...so yea, I'm not aware of active subversion played by systemd, but > I'd be happy to know about past episodes. They obviously don't care > about anything else but their own success, but then I think we should > limit ourselves to assume "good faith" and just call it ignorance, > incompetence and arrogance. ..now that there, is ignorant denial. "Lead your target, if you wanna stop it from nuking you", is what I helped teach our AA gunners. ..the Norwegian political surveillance police chief is very explicit for a secret service Norwegian officer, in todays Dagbladet.no: http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/tillit-kan-ikke-tas-for-gitt/60141390 or https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dagbladet.no%2Fkultur%2Ftillit-kan-ikke-tas-for-gitt%2F60141390&edit-text= ..the Norwegian secret service tradition is the delay&deny-loop for _years_ after the entire world knows they're doing it. ;o) And "it's only against terrorism" and that creepy mission creep. > Time will tell who was right, ..you're betting on Edward Snowdon as the man behind systemd? ;o) Would change _everything_. > I think we > are fighting pretty well our fight and that we should focus at making > our own initiative better and finding more allies for it. ..aye, and meanwhile I agree it's wise to duck and evade enemy fire instead of yahooing straight into it. > > ..I should have said "packaged into .debs ready for user tests?", > > Parazyd is planning to package Openrc. > > vdev has alreadyscripts for packaging, but needs a maintainer I think. > > nothing else so far. I personally try them out installing from source. > > ciao ..ok, thanks. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linux-libre-4.5.4
On Mon, 30 May 2016 20:15:23 +0100, Antonio wrote in message : > On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Svante Signell > wrote: > > > On Mon, 2016-05-30 at 17:15 +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > > > > > dear Arnt, > > > > > > On Mon, 30 May 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ..I should have said "packaged into .debs ready for user > > > > tests?", > > > Parazyd is planning to package Openrc. > > > > > > > There is already an openrc package in Debian (which I am > > co-maintainer to). ..this Debian package comes into Devuan the merged mirror route? Also for Ceres? > > Yes, I know the init scripts are LSB ones, but I think they can > > successively be replaced by native openrc ones. I'm running it on > > one Linux VM image and on another GNU/Hurd VM image. Has anybody > > even tried it yet in Devuan? > > I tried openrc today on a VM ascii install. > so far so good. ..will I see it with " -t ascii" here: cat /etc/apt/sources.list # Devuan repositories deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged ceres main contrib non-free deb-src http://packages.devuan.org/merged ceres main contrib non-free root@celsius:/var/cache/apt/archives# -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ..weird new zzz-dist on Debian mirrors, to defeat us?, Fw: zzz-dist
Hi, ..weird new zzz-dist is pushed out on Debian mirrors, to defeat our "merged" mirror scheme???, Fw: zzz-dist ..I understand our mirrors = Debian-sans-systemd + Devuan code Begin forwarded message: Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 14:28:12 +0900 From: ISHIKAWA Mutsumi To: debian-mirr...@lists.debian.org Subject: zzz-dist > Hi, > > I found new 'zzz-dists' directory on mirror servers. > What is zzz-dists ? > > http://ftp.debian.org/debian/zzz-dists/ > > -- > ISHIKAWA Mutsumi > , > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..weird new zzz-dist on Debian mirrors, to defeat us?, Fw: zzz-dist
On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 00:12:58 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message <20160531221258.GA9551@reflex>: > On Tue, 31 May 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..weird new zzz-dist is pushed out on Debian mirrors, > > to defeat our "merged" mirror scheme???, Fw: zzz-dist > > no. it is not to defeat us. it is not affecting amprolla. ..ok, defeating us does not neccesarily mean derailing amprolla, there are other subtler ways to subvert us, so just assume further banana republic politics and keep your eyes open. ..I ran a quick debmirror test update on my lan Debian mirror, at least I can confirm the zzz-dist is not added to my lan mirror, I have amd64, i386, hurd-i386 and source with sid, jessie and stretch, but not experimental. Could be no experimental means no zzz-dist. And zzz-dist looks more like a red herring test. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ..is there a way to block bad mirrors?
Hi, ..is there a way to block out bad devuan mirrors? I'm having trouble getting a few packages out of ftp.acc.umu.se/130.239.18.173, it claims "[ERROR] Could not connect to ftp.acc.umu.se:80 (130.239.18.173), connection timed out [IP:130.239.18.173 80]" and a bunch of "[ERROR] Unable to connect to ftp.acc.umu.se:http: [IP:130.239.18.173 80]", which denies me mariadb-test-data, python-matplotlib-data, python-numpy-doc, selektor, urweb-doc, urwed-mode and a bunch of libspring-*, which is why I prefer setting up my own devuan mirror. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..is there a way to block bad mirrors?
On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 12:56:03 +0200, Arnt wrote in message <20160601125603.01c5d...@nb6.lan>: > Hi, > > ..is there a way to block out bad devuan mirrors? ..and on my first try after posting this, that bad mirror works ok. ..I still prefer setting up my own lan devuan mirror. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ..setting up my own lan Devuan mirror, was: ..is there a way to block bad mirrors?
On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 13:30:58 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message <20160601113058.GA8132@reflex>: > On Wed, 01 Jun 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..is there a way to block out bad devuan mirrors? > > I'm having trouble getting a few packages out of > > ftp.acc.umu.se/130.239.18.173, it claims "[ERROR] > > this is due to bad Debian mirrors we redirect to. Amprolla has a > mechanism to blacklist them so perhaps you can open an issue on > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla/issues ..ok, so https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ is where native Devuan code lives, and would be mirrored from, and https://packages.devuan.org/merged/ is where amprolla tricks apt into fetching both Devuan and Debian .debs from, with https://packages.devuan.org/merged/pool/ being empty? ..so, to point amprolla to the debian mirror of my choise, my own lan mirror, I point the host: and redirect: entries in the [DEBIAN] stanza in amprolla.conf.example to my lan mirror instead of to ftp.de.debian.org and httpredir.d.o? ..how big (as in du -sch) is packages.devuan.org/devuan/ now? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] man init
On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 16:58:24 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20160604155824.gw32...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 09:10:05PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > My system is devuan/jessie, upgraded from debian. > > > > It's interesting that 'man init' brings up the > > systemd man page. > > > > All my systems were upgraded from Debian Wheezy/Jessie, and man init > is about sysvinit. > > HND > > KatolaZ > ..my first conversion is sid/stretch -> ceres root@celsius:~# dpkg -l |grep systemd |cut -d" " -f -55 |fmt -tu ii dh-systemd 1.29+devuan1.0 ii gnome-logs 3.20.1-1 ii libconfig-model-systemd-perl 0.006-1 ii libsystemd0:amd64 230-2 ii systemd-shim 9-1 root@celsius:~# ..and I still have 'man init' starting:" INIT(8) Linux System Administrator's Manual INIT(8) NAME init, telinit - process control initialization SYNOPSIS /sbin/init [ -a ] [ -s ] [ -b ] [ -z xxx ] [ 0123456Ss ] /sbin/telinit [ -t SECONDS ] [ 0123456sSQqabcUu ] /sbin/telinit [ -e VAR[=VAL] ] DESCRIPTION " -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Caching binary .deb packages
On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 13:28:13 +0200, parazyd wrote in message <20160606112813.ga11...@hansolo.lan>: > On Mon, 06 Jun 2016, Lars Noodén wrote: > > > I've been messing around with building a live image and notice that > > it looks like there are a lot of different mirrors getting called > > into play. I was expecting the same mirrors to be used each time > > so I could populate my local cache on the first try and then use > > that cache on subsequent builds. Is there any efficient way to > > cache everything I access on the first try? I'm using squid3 right > > now but should I be using apt-cacher or apt-cacher-ng instead? > > > > If you're consistently making the same image each time, why not create > just a ready tarball you can extract each time you make an image? That > way you save your time and put less load on package mirrors. ..one way around that problem, is setting up your own package mirror on your own site, but nobody here at devuan wants you to do that, if I must rely on the absence of answers to my own mirror size etc questions here. ..my understanding is devuan mirrors can be mirrored with rsync scripts and then merged somehow with amprolla, pointing it to the Debian mirror of your choise, possibly putting it in the [DEBIAN] stanza in amprolla.conf.example, instead of host: ftp.de.debian.org and redirect: httpredir.debian.org. ..but first, roughly, how big (as in du -sch) is packages.devuan.org? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to acknowledge ported version of Open Source program?
On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 15:31:31 +0900, Simon wrote in message <57566a43.4050...@gikaku.com>: > On 06/07/2016 02:51 PM, Hughe Chung wrote: > > I've been porting an Open Source program to Python 3.4 for my > > personal use. The original source code written by C language in > > 2005 has MIT license. > > > > ... > > > > I'm planning to release it under GPLv3 soon. I will definitely > > acknowledge original author on the license but don't want to > > include the ancient source code in my program. > > > > I think it depends on how much you copied and how polite you are. You > can say "inspired by", but if your code is structured the same and it > really is a port, I think you might want to word it differently. > Though I don't think you need to include such a notice in your source > code. If you are naming it the same and calling it a Python version, > then maybe coordinate with the original author. That's just my > opinion. I am not a lawyer. ..11 years with Groklaw.net has thaught me to be a little harsher; you cannot "port" a program written under one license (MIT), under another license, unless that first license has language that allows such "relicensing" under other licensing terms. ..you _can_ convince the original author he should license his work under both the MIT and GPLv3 (I would say "v2-and-later") if you contact him and tell him why GPLv2-and-later etc are better than e.g. the MIT license terms. ..and you can take your inspiration from anyone elses ideas whenever you write your own work under whichever license you pick, copyright laws protects the written etc expressions of ideas, not the ideas themselves, which is why you _can_ write your own program as a drop-in replacement to the original C program you once thought of to try port. ..to protect ideas, you need to patent them, which may be done in combinations with copyright protections and contractual terms in e.g. any canned EULA worm pit combination. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] resolved
On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 11:28:32 +0900, Simon wrote in message <575782d0.5080...@gikaku.com>: > My biggest gripe with systemd: How many man hours have been wasted > and will be wasted. There is an lack of wisdom in that project. ..hugely. ..I only partially agree, though, if the idea behind it is catch the next Edward Snowdons, or if Edward Snowdon is the man behind it, I would see a lot of political and military etc Machiavellian wisdom behind it, but never any technological etc visdom. It's like nukes, it's considered wise to have your own if the enemy has his aimed at you, either way, you do not wanna have a cranky cranked up nuke in your laptop. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to acknowledge ported version of Open Source program?
On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 13:58:22 +0300, Jack wrote in message <20160608105821.ga15...@malganis.fleshless.org>: > On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 02:22:29PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > > Since Chung's new version is written in Python, wouldn't it be > > considered a different piece of software? I don't think a re-write > > in another language of something licensed under the MIT license can > > even be considered a derivative, much less a copy. > > Yeah, I was going to say that too: a rewrite in another language is a > completely new piece of software and I've see things like that being > licensed under a different license dozens of times. Hell, full > rewrites in the same language are often licensed differently with no > problems. A full rewrite is just that — a different implementation, > especially if it's in a different language as well. ..it _can_ be argued both ways whether such a "full rewrite" would be a same-language reimplementation or merely an handmade _copy_, is why cautious people do it the clean room way, with one guy specifying the ideas from the original source and hands that specification over to the programmer guy (or gal) who then writes a program reimplementing those specified ideas. ..a different language reimplementation of the eriginal ideas will most probably require at least some manmade "new work" under copyright law. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]
On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 11:22:40 -0400, Dan wrote in message <20160609152240.gm9...@xps-linux.djph.net>: > Simon Walter wrote: > > On 06/09/2016 07:07 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > > >Yet another thing that systemd is getting its tentacles into ... > > >wonder when the majority of users will say "enough is enough" with > > >it? > > > > > > > > > > They will not. The majority of users are freeloaders. So we may end > > up using a BSD. But not today. GNU/Linux is still available. > > Fair point. I suppose I should've said 'operators' or 'developers' > rather than 'users'. ..say 'operators' and||or||and/or 'developers', depending on context. > I really need to work harder at getting myself up to speed so I can > actually be 'useful' in this ... > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ..another new(?) step towards Debian systemd: linux-image-4.6.0-1[-rt]-amd-signed, with MSTF keys...
Hi, ..another new(?) step towards Debian systemd: linux-image-4.6.0-1[-rt]-amd-signed, with MSTF keys... : https://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-4.6.0-1-rt-amd64-signed https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot https://burtness.wordpress.com/2014/02/08/secure-boot-with-debian-testing/ ..we really need to stop relying on untrustworthy people. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] secure boot
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 12:43:55 +, Stephanie wrote in message : > In most cases right now, we have either the option to disable secure > boot, or there is a version of GRUB that is signed, therefore > permitting booting into other operating systems. For right now, > investigate before buying to make sure you have the option to boot > your operating system of choice. > > At some point though, as those options start to go away, we will > probably have to fight this in the courts under grounds that it is an > anti-competitive process. ..I spent 11 years with Groklaw, 5 before the "post"-Groklaw Kafka show took off on me, the Norwegian government acts as if they believe I was an important and dangerous leader in Groklaw.net, maybe because I did suggest the "MS Litigation" left menu item and recommend PJ listen to her own gut feelings on her Linux Foundation(?) board resignation. IME Edward Snowdon is safer in Putin's Moscow. ..we sort of "won" over the Microsoft shills in the courts in Utah and Delaware, but now we are "escaping" systemd and being shut down by Microsoft "secure" boot loader and kernel signatures. ..how's Slackware doing, can we use them as our upstream instead of Debian? The easy bit is convert their packages to .deb. > Searching for, and advocating for motherboards that support coreboot > is another important strategy, because only when free firmware is > available can we be sure there will be no dirty tricks. > > On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 7:52 AM Adam Borowski > wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 12:21:14PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 06:35:11AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > How *do* we deal with secure boot? I am terrified of buying a > > > > new machine because I'm afraid I won't get to install anything > > > > on it wxcept for an OS from one of the big companies that have > > > > sweetheart deals with Microsoft. > > > > > > I think that so far secure boot can be disabled. I confirm I was > > > able to disable it in my laptop. This does not mean that it would > > > be optional forever, though. > > > > The ability to disable secure boot was a requirement for the > > Windows 8 Logo program (obviously to stave off accusations from the > > EU). It is gone for Windows 10 Logo, and thus you can expect > > hardware vendors to drop it -- such > > features cause development and support costs. This would be the > > case even with no underhanded policies, and know that "no > > underhanded policies" goes strictly against Microsoft volume > > licensing policy. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Shim
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 19:37:44 +, Noel wrote in message <20160613193744.horde.6as5qe3gnqf8zk7lci_w...@rolamasao.org>: > Hi folks... > > Where can I find a *good* and *deep enough* explanation of what a > "shim" is (in the context of systemd and EFI), but also *easy > enough* to explain it to some colleagues at work? ..I only know the banana republic politics part of this. ..does your colleagues know how banana republic politics works? ..do you know how banana republic politics works? Do you know it well enough to explain it to your colleagues? ..are you ok with them viewing you as a crack head conspiracy theorist until they know, or get get first hand experience the hard way themselves? ..good luck, you'll need it! -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Mini init script written in Perl boots.
On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:16:38 -0400, Steve wrote in message <20160616171638.42400...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: > If the machine were anything but a demonstration experimental machine, > so would I contemplate suicide or systemd. Same with Python, Ruby, and > (urk) Javascript. But truth be told, if PID1 were written in Lua, I > would not be dismayed in the slightest. ..lua? We use that in these: ;o) http://rcsettings.com/index.php/viewcategory/13-lua-scripts http://www.frsky-rc.com/product/pro.php?pro_id=137 http://open-txu.org/ http://open-tx.org/ -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] policykit - another time ...
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:30:30 +0200, Didier wrote in message <57768c96.8070...@in2p3.fr>: > Le 01/07/2016 16:59, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult a écrit : > > what I never really actually understood: what do we really need it > > for ? what's the real-world problem behind to be solved ? > > The real problem behind was to replace sudo by something more > complicated, for the sake of complication. sudo allows simple things > to be done with simple config and complicated things with complicated > config. Policykit is better: all is complicated, the config and the > machinery to handle it, which is a tangle of daemons, sockets and, of > course, dbus and possibly systemd, obviously for the sake of > entangling it as much as possible. Plus it replaces a single and > simple command by a whole library. > > Replacing a simple system with a complicated one, may be an > amusing game, but should remain a game. > > I expected most of the requests would be done by applications by > just invoking pkexec, which is a kind of replacement for sudo, but it > is only true for some launchers, like the one of Synaptic (I have > written my own replcement for pkexec and it works). But Policykit > comes with several commands and I'm afraid Xfce4 applets, for > example, make calls to the polkit library rather than invoke these > commands. > > Therefore, IMHO, we are left with two options: either elaborate > a polkit-shim or discard applications which use it. > > Didier ..is there no --without-policykit switch we can use to recompile? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
