Re: Build breaks in Curl

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

it seems that my changes for the 'patch' tool causes this build breaker.
I will have a look.

Regina: Could please run 'patch -version' and tell me which version of 
'patch' is active in your environment? Thx in advance.



Best regards, Oliver.

On 06.08.2013 01:48, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi,

I try to build current trunk r1510523 and get the error:

=
Building module curl
=

Entering /cygdrive/c/AOO_2013_08_05/trunk/main/curl

patching file curl-7.19.7/configure
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
3 out of 3 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/configure.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/setup.h
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/setup.h.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/ltmain.sh
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
2 out of 2 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/ltmain.sh.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/ssh.c
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
2 out of 2 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/ssh.c.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/Makefile.vc9
Hunk #1 FAILED at 46.
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/Makefile.vc9.rej
dmake:  Error code 1, while making
'./wntmsci12/misc/build/so_patched_so_curl'

1 module(s):
 curl
need(s) to be rebuilt

My configure is
./configure \
  --with-directx-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft DirectX SDK
(June 2010)" \
  --with-cl-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/VC" \
  --disable-build-mozilla \
  --disable-activex \
  --with-mozilla-build="/cygdrive/c/mozillabuild" \
  --enable-dbgutil \
  --with-asm-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/VC/bin" \
  --with-jdk-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Java/jdk1.6.0_38" \
  --with-ant-home=/ant \
  --with-mspdb-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/Common7/IDE" \
  --without-junit \

--with-dmake-url="http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2";
\
  --without-fonts \
  --with-atl-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/atl71" \
  --with-atl-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/ATL/i386" \
  --with-mfc-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/mfc42" \
  --with-mfc-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/Mfc/i386" \
  --with-lang="de en kid" \
  --enable-category-b \
  --with-vendor="Regina_Henschel" \
  --with-build-version="r1510523_debug_category_b"

Kind regards
Regina

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Re: Call for volunteers to confirm 4.0 defects

[FR web forum]

Maybe add https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122827
We have lot of french users that complain
Merci beaucoup

> Currently we have about 45 unconfirmed bugs in 4.0[1], if you have
> interest in joining the bug confirmation work, could you please let me
> know your Bugzilla ID and platforms you have, I will assign bugs to
> you.

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Re: Build breaks in Curl

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Oliver,

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann schrieb:

Hi,

it seems that my changes for the 'patch' tool causes this build breaker.
I will have a look.

Regina: Could please run 'patch -version' and tell me which version of
'patch' is active in your environment? Thx in advance.


It is
patch 2.6.1

Kind regards
Regina




Best regards, Oliver.

On 06.08.2013 01:48, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi,

I try to build current trunk r1510523 and get the error:

=
Building module curl
=

Entering /cygdrive/c/AOO_2013_08_05/trunk/main/curl

patching file curl-7.19.7/configure
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
3 out of 3 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/configure.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/setup.h
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/setup.h.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/ltmain.sh
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
2 out of 2 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/ltmain.sh.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/ssh.c
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
2 out of 2 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/ssh.c.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/Makefile.vc9
Hunk #1 FAILED at 46.
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/Makefile.vc9.rej
dmake:  Error code 1, while making
'./wntmsci12/misc/build/so_patched_so_curl'

1 module(s):
 curl
need(s) to be rebuilt

My configure is
./configure \
  --with-directx-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft DirectX SDK
(June 2010)" \
  --with-cl-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/VC" \
  --disable-build-mozilla \
  --disable-activex \
  --with-mozilla-build="/cygdrive/c/mozillabuild" \
  --enable-dbgutil \
  --with-asm-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/VC/bin" \
  --with-jdk-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Java/jdk1.6.0_38" \
  --with-ant-home=/ant \
  --with-mspdb-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/Common7/IDE" \
  --without-junit \

--with-dmake-url="http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2";

\
  --without-fonts \
  --with-atl-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/atl71" \
  --with-atl-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/ATL/i386" \
  --with-mfc-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/mfc42" \
  --with-mfc-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/Mfc/i386" \
  --with-lang="de en kid" \
  --enable-category-b \
  --with-vendor="Regina_Henschel" \
  --with-build-version="r1510523_debug_category_b"



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Re: Build breaks in Curl

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 06.08.2013 09:39, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Oliver,

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann schrieb:

Hi,

it seems that my changes for the 'patch' tool causes this build breaker.
I will have a look.

Regina: Could please run 'patch -version' and tell me which version of
'patch' is active in your environment? Thx in advance.


It is
patch 2.6.1



Thanks.
I also reproduced the build breaker in my environment having patch 2.6.1

my current solution to solve the build breaker:
- 'unix2dos main/curl/curl-7.19.7_win.patch'
- rebuild curl after removing main/curl/[platform]/

Best regards, Oliver.






Best regards, Oliver.

On 06.08.2013 01:48, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi,

I try to build current trunk r1510523 and get the error:

=
Building module curl
=

Entering /cygdrive/c/AOO_2013_08_05/trunk/main/curl

patching file curl-7.19.7/configure
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
3 out of 3 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/configure.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/setup.h
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/setup.h.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/ltmain.sh
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
2 out of 2 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/ltmain.sh.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/ssh.c
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
2 out of 2 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/ssh.c.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/Makefile.vc9
Hunk #1 FAILED at 46.
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/Makefile.vc9.rej
dmake:  Error code 1, while making
'./wntmsci12/misc/build/so_patched_so_curl'

1 module(s):
 curl
need(s) to be rebuilt

My configure is
./configure \
  --with-directx-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft DirectX SDK
(June 2010)" \
  --with-cl-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/VC" \
  --disable-build-mozilla \
  --disable-activex \
  --with-mozilla-build="/cygdrive/c/mozillabuild" \
  --enable-dbgutil \
  --with-asm-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/VC/bin" \
  --with-jdk-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Java/jdk1.6.0_38" \
  --with-ant-home=/ant \
  --with-mspdb-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/Common7/IDE" \
  --without-junit \

--with-dmake-url="http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2";


\
  --without-fonts \
  --with-atl-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/atl71" \
  --with-atl-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/ATL/i386" \
  --with-mfc-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/mfc42" \
  --with-mfc-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/Mfc/i386" \
  --with-lang="de en kid" \
  --enable-category-b \
  --with-vendor="Regina_Henschel" \
  --with-build-version="r1510523_debug_category_b"



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ERROR when build AOO

[張仁瀚]

Hello everyone,

My name is Yohey, and I come from Taiwan.I am a "freshman" in AOO.
I use Ubuntu Linux as my environment, which version is 12.04. I follow
the following web to build AOO:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step

I followed the two steps under SVN and then jumped to "Install
requirements" to
do the steps under it. But when I got to the step "Build", I had some error.
Here is my error log:

yohey@yohey-VirtualBox:~/Openoffice/aoo-trunk/main/instsetoo_native$ build
--all
...
...
...(Building log)
...

=
Building module epm
=

Entering /home/yohey/Openoffice/aoo-trunk/main/epm

dmake:  Error: -- `./
unxlngx6.pro/misc/3ade8cfe7e59ca8e65052644fed9fca4-epm-3.7.unpack' not
found, and can't be made

1 module(s):
epm
need(s) to be rebuilt

Reason(s):

ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
/home/yohey/Openoffice/aoo-trunk/main/epm

When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build by
running:

build --all:epm

yohey@yohey-VirtualBox:~/Openoffice/aoo-trunk/main/instsetoo_native$

-end--

I have tried it for a long time but I can't fix it up to now.

Thanks you for reading my question.
Thanks!

Regards,
 Yohey.

Re: Build breaks in Curl

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Oöiver,

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann schrieb:

Hi,

On 06.08.2013 09:39, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Oliver,

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann schrieb:

Hi,

it seems that my changes for the 'patch' tool causes this build breaker.
I will have a look.

Regina: Could please run 'patch -version' and tell me which version of
'patch' is active in your environment? Thx in advance.


It is
patch 2.6.1



Thanks.
I also reproduced the build breaker in my environment having patch 2.6.1

my current solution to solve the build breaker:
- 'unix2dos main/curl/curl-7.19.7_win.patch'
- rebuild curl after removing main/curl/[platform]/



Yes, that works for me too. Building is now beyond curl.

Kind regards
Regina








Best regards, Oliver.

On 06.08.2013 01:48, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi,

I try to build current trunk r1510523 and get the error:

=
Building module curl
=

Entering /cygdrive/c/AOO_2013_08_05/trunk/main/curl

patching file curl-7.19.7/configure
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
3 out of 3 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/configure.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/setup.h
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/setup.h.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/ltmain.sh
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
2 out of 2 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/ltmain.sh.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/ssh.c
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
2 out of 2 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/ssh.c.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/Makefile.vc9
Hunk #1 FAILED at 46.
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/Makefile.vc9.rej
dmake:  Error code 1, while making
'./wntmsci12/misc/build/so_patched_so_curl'

1 module(s):
 curl
need(s) to be rebuilt

My configure is
./configure \
  --with-directx-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft DirectX SDK
(June 2010)" \
  --with-cl-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/VC" \
  --disable-build-mozilla \
  --disable-activex \
  --with-mozilla-build="/cygdrive/c/mozillabuild" \
  --enable-dbgutil \
  --with-asm-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/VC/bin" \
  --with-jdk-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Java/jdk1.6.0_38" \
  --with-ant-home=/ant \
  --with-mspdb-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/Common7/IDE" \
  --without-junit \

--with-dmake-url="http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2";



\
  --without-fonts \
  --with-atl-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/atl71" \
  --with-atl-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/ATL/i386" \
  --with-mfc-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/mfc42" \
  --with-mfc-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/Mfc/i386" \
  --with-lang="de en kid" \
  --enable-category-b \
  --with-vendor="Regina_Henschel" \
  --with-build-version="r1510523_debug_category_b"



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Re: Build breaks in Curl

[Regina Henschel]

Regina Henschel schrieb:

Hi Oöiver,  -> Hi Oliver

please excuse.

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Re: Build breaks in Curl

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 06.08.2013 10:26, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Oöiver,

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann schrieb:

Hi,

On 06.08.2013 09:39, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Oliver,

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann schrieb:

Hi,

it seems that my changes for the 'patch' tool causes this build
breaker.
I will have a look.

Regina: Could please run 'patch -version' and tell me which version of
'patch' is active in your environment? Thx in advance.


It is
patch 2.6.1



Thanks.
I also reproduced the build breaker in my environment having patch 2.6.1

my current solution to solve the build breaker:
- 'unix2dos main/curl/curl-7.19.7_win.patch'
- rebuild curl after removing main/curl/[platform]/



Yes, that works for me too. Building is now beyond curl.



Thx for the feedback.

I am now checking build on Linux (Ubuntu 11.10 32bit) and Windows (patch 
version 2.7.1).


Best regards, Oliver.


On 06.08.2013 01:48, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi,

I try to build current trunk r1510523 and get the error:

=
Building module curl
=

Entering /cygdrive/c/AOO_2013_08_05/trunk/main/curl

patching file curl-7.19.7/configure
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
3 out of 3 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/configure.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/setup.h
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/setup.h.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/ltmain.sh
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
2 out of 2 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/ltmain.sh.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/ssh.c
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
2 out of 2 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/ssh.c.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/Makefile.vc9
Hunk #1 FAILED at 46.
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/Makefile.vc9.rej
dmake:  Error code 1, while making
'./wntmsci12/misc/build/so_patched_so_curl'

1 module(s):
 curl
need(s) to be rebuilt

My configure is
./configure \
  --with-directx-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft DirectX SDK
(June 2010)" \
  --with-cl-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/VC" \
  --disable-build-mozilla \
  --disable-activex \
  --with-mozilla-build="/cygdrive/c/mozillabuild" \
  --enable-dbgutil \
  --with-asm-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/VC/bin" \
  --with-jdk-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Java/jdk1.6.0_38" \
  --with-ant-home=/ant \
  --with-mspdb-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/Common7/IDE" \
  --without-junit \

--with-dmake-url="http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2";




\
  --without-fonts \
  --with-atl-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/atl71" \
  --with-atl-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/ATL/i386" \
  --with-mfc-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/mfc42" \
  --with-mfc-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/Mfc/i386" \
  --with-lang="de en kid" \
  --enable-category-b \
  --with-vendor="Regina_Henschel" \
  --with-build-version="r1510523_debug_category_b"



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LibO code will be integrated to AOO?

[FR web forum]

Hello dev,

Some enhancements exists in LibO and published under MPL v2
Example:
RTF import filter https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58819 [1]
Calc polynomial curve https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35712#c10 [2]
Do you think it is possible to integrate this into AOO next release?

[1] http://vmiklos.hu/blog/lo-hamburg-hackfest-2013.html#disqus_thread
[2] http://markmail.org/thread/komfbtb765way2hh

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Debug build settings in Tools>Options>Writer>Interner Test

[Regina Henschel]

Hi,

I have made a debug-build. In Tools > Options > Writer I find an item 
"Interner Test". It has a page with title "Einstellungen nur für 
Testzwecke" with a lot of check boxes. Can someone tell me more about it?


Kind regards
Regina

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Re: LibO code will be integrated to AOO?

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 8/6/13 11:40 AM, FR web forum wrote:
> Hello dev,
> 
> Some enhancements exists in LibO and published under MPL v2
> Example:
> RTF import filter https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58819 [1]
> Calc polynomial curve https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35712#c10 
> [2]
> Do you think it is possible to integrate this into AOO next release?

I believe we can't use it. MPL is category b and we can use external
libs for example and can link against it. But we can't use patches on
Apache licensed code that are under MPL only. We can only accept ALv2
patches on this code. Please correct me if I am wrong. This is the crux
with this license conglomerate that makes no sense at all. And I believe
many people don't get the details what it really means.

I personally still believe that the way how LO handle this is wrong but
I am no lawyer. I am happy that I work on a clean code base without this
problems. Makes my life much easier ;-)

Juergen


> 
> [1] http://vmiklos.hu/blog/lo-hamburg-hackfest-2013.html#disqus_thread
> [2] http://markmail.org/thread/komfbtb765way2hh
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Re: LibO code will be integrated to AOO?

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
> On 8/6/13 11:40 AM, FR web forum wrote:
>> Hello dev,
>>
>> Some enhancements exists in LibO and published under MPL v2
>> Example:
>> RTF import filter https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58819 [1]
>> Calc polynomial curve https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35712#c10 
>> [2]
>> Do you think it is possible to integrate this into AOO next release?
>
> I believe we can't use it. MPL is category b and we can use external
> libs for example and can link against it. But we can't use patches on
> Apache licensed code that are under MPL only. We can only accept ALv2
> patches on this code. Please correct me if I am wrong. This is the crux
> with this license conglomerate that makes no sense at all. And I believe
> many people don't get the details what it really means.
>

That is my understanding as well.  But remember, LO is not licensing
these patches at all.  The developers who write the code are providing
the license.  This is a subtle difference, but it means the developers
are free to license the patch under ALv2 as well.  So if there is
something we really would like to integrate we can approach the
developer and ask if they would be willing to license the patch under
ALv2.   I believe that some of the independent LO developers are also
frustrated with the LO hoarding that is going on.

-Rob


> I personally still believe that the way how LO handle this is wrong but
> I am no lawyer. I am happy that I work on a clean code base without this
> problems. Makes my life much easier ;-)
>
> Juergen
>
>
>>
>> [1] http://vmiklos.hu/blog/lo-hamburg-hackfest-2013.html#disqus_thread
>> [2] http://markmail.org/thread/komfbtb765way2hh
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Re: [proposal] Establish new svn area for "branding" objects

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 05/08/2013 Kay Schenk wrote:

Do you think this needs "trunk"? Nothing under the "branches" has trunk but
we have this structure for "updates-site".  really I am confused about this
aspect.
Advice?


This makes sense only if we wish to structure this area with the classic 
"trunk/branches/tags" schema. Since I don't expect we will store code or 
test versions under "branding/", I think we can start with no structure. 
If really needed (but I don't see any possible reasons now, since that 
area is meant to be used to archive approved materials) we can add the 
trunk/branches/tags structure later.


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Re: LibO code will be integrated to AOO?

[RA Stehmann]

On 06.08.2013 13:41, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
>> On 8/6/13 11:40 AM, FR web forum wrote:
>>> Hello dev,
>>>
>>> Some enhancements exists in LibO and published under MPL v2
>>> Example:
>>> RTF import filter https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58819 [1]
>>> Calc polynomial curve 
>>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35712#c10 [2]
>>> Do you think it is possible to integrate this into AOO next release?
>>
>> I believe we can't use it. MPL is category b and we can use external
>> libs for example and can link against it. But we can't use patches on
>> Apache licensed code that are under MPL only. We can only accept ALv2
>> patches on this code. Please correct me if I am wrong. This is the crux
>> with this license conglomerate that makes no sense at all. And I believe
>> many people don't get the details what it really means.
>>
> 
> That is my understanding as well.  But remember, LO is not licensing
> these patches at all.  The developers who write the code are providing
> the license.  This is a subtle difference, but it means the developers
> are free to license the patch under ALv2 as well.  So if there is
> something we really would like to integrate we can approach the
> developer and ask if they would be willing to license the patch under
> ALv2.   I believe that some of the independent LO developers are also
> frustrated with the LO hoarding that is going on.
> 
MPL has a very weak copyleft, but it has one. So you can't mix it with
code, which is licened unter a non-copyleft licence like the AL.

The LibreOffice developers don't want to have a management of copyrights
by their foundation. So you have to talk to each developer, whether he
or she is willing to licence his or her code under the ALv2 too.

Good luck!

Regards
Michael




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Re: Proposal -- AOO 4.0.1 Release

[sebb]

On 6 August 2013 06:51, O.Felka  wrote:
> Am 05.08.2013 23:34, schrieb David Gerard:
>
>> On 5 August 2013 22:32, janI  wrote:
>>
>>> When I consider what I hear in the "real" world, I would prefer a fast
>>> release, solving the most important issues. We always have the
>>> possibility
>>> to make a 4.02 if really needed.
>>
>>
>>
>> x.0.x releases monthly are the way to go. I think LibreOffice really
>> got this right. If you do this, the users will be happier because they
>> anticipate happiness in the *near* future, not a year from now.
>>
>
> If we get quality we don't need quantity. We don't have to bother the user
> with monthly installations.
> The majority of feedback I remember is: 'We don't want all these new
> features but we want it stable.'
> Monthly updates are a pain in business areas.

So long as it is very clear what the new release contains, does it
matter how frequent they are?
A business will update to the next release if it contains fixes for
problems that are causing them problems, otherwise they will wait.

> Groetjes,
> Olaf
>
>
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Re: Debug build settings in Tools>Options>Writer>Interner Test

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 06.08.2013 13:08, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi,

I have made a debug-build. In Tools > Options > Writer I find an item
"Interner Test". It has a page with title "Einstellungen nur für
Testzwecke" with a lot of check boxes. Can someone tell me more about it?



I will try.
These 10 debugging flags already exist when I joined the OpenOffice 
development as a software developer of Sun's Writer team in 2002.


These flags were used for debugging purposes. Search for 'bTest[1..10]' 
in the Writer code (module sw) in order to figured more details about 
its purposes.
For example, by bTest5 - No idle format - it can be controlled, if the 
layout of the text document is calculated in the background triggered by 
trhe so-called 'idle formatter'.


These debugging flags were from ancient time. Thus, may be the one or 
the other is no longer active. From my point of view they can be removed.


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Tools for Dictionary Developers - Wiki

[Marco A.G.Pinto]

  
  
Hello!
  
  The page:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries#Tools_for_dictionary_developers:
  claims to be obsolete.
  
  Will there be a new page for the language developers tools?
  
  I have been improving my tool "Proofing Tool GUI" bit by bit and
  maybe next month I will release a V2.1 .
  
  Just wondering if there will be a new place for me to put the link
  to it.
  
  Thanks!
  
  Kind regards,
     >Marco A.G.Pinto
   ---
  
  

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Re: LibO code will be integrated to AOO?

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:05 AM, RA Stehmann
 wrote:
> On 06.08.2013 13:41, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
>>> On 8/6/13 11:40 AM, FR web forum wrote:
 Hello dev,

 Some enhancements exists in LibO and published under MPL v2
 Example:
 RTF import filter https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58819 [1]
 Calc polynomial curve 
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35712#c10 [2]
 Do you think it is possible to integrate this into AOO next release?
>>>
>>> I believe we can't use it. MPL is category b and we can use external
>>> libs for example and can link against it. But we can't use patches on
>>> Apache licensed code that are under MPL only. We can only accept ALv2
>>> patches on this code. Please correct me if I am wrong. This is the crux
>>> with this license conglomerate that makes no sense at all. And I believe
>>> many people don't get the details what it really means.
>>>
>>
>> That is my understanding as well.  But remember, LO is not licensing
>> these patches at all.  The developers who write the code are providing
>> the license.  This is a subtle difference, but it means the developers
>> are free to license the patch under ALv2 as well.  So if there is
>> something we really would like to integrate we can approach the
>> developer and ask if they would be willing to license the patch under
>> ALv2.   I believe that some of the independent LO developers are also
>> frustrated with the LO hoarding that is going on.
>>
> MPL has a very weak copyleft, but it has one. So you can't mix it with
> code, which is licened unter a non-copyleft licence like the AL.
>
> The LibreOffice developers don't want to have a management of copyrights
> by their foundation. So you have to talk to each developer, whether he
> or she is willing to licence his or her code under the ALv2 too.
>
> Good luck!
>

I think it is more "tact" than "luck".  But we have had some success
in making such requests in the past, generally quiet requests directly
to the developer.  Most open source developers write code because they
want it to be used and for people to benefit from it.  So if you give
them an opportunity for their code to be even more widely used, this
aligns with their goals as well.  But such requests must be made
quietly, via private email, since there is a lot of peer pressure to
be uncooperative with Apache.

-Rob

> Regards
> Michael
>
>

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Re: Proposal -- AOO 4.0.1 Release

[Andrea Pescetti]

Rob Weir wrote:

a 4.0.1 release in the next few weeks to address the specific
high-urgency issues?  [...]


Good plan. I'm adding some remarks below, to see the release not only 
from the users point of view, but from the community perspective too.



3) Use the "release blocker" flag to propose defects for inclusion in
the 4.0.1 release.


OK, but by default the "proposed 4.0.1 release blocker" flag (when it 
exists) should be set for:

1) All the issues with keyword "regression" found after 4.0 was released
2) All the issues nominated as release blockers for 4.0 and unresolved.

It is important that we don't fall in the "release and forget" trap, 
i.e., "this bug was already known when 4.0 was released, so it doesn't 
need to be evaluated again for 4.0.1". At least, we should re-evaluate 
the old proposed blockers: some of them might have become more relevant.



4) New translations are rolled in, since a new translation cannot
break core code. [...]


Here (and, by the way, the infamous problem for Italian was a broken 
translation of style names a few years ago; indeed, this kind of 
problems does not affect other translations) it is really important that 
we are able to clearly communicate to volunteers that they can target 4.0.1.


This is not the case at the moment: we have volunteers who are ready to 
work and Pootle is not ready yet for their language, or it only offers 
3.4.1. See http://markmail.org/message/4oxacrviktdbmbcv for more.


The opportunity is now and we should definitely make it a priority for 
4.0.1, so we can tell volunteers that 4.0.1 can be released in their 
language and that they can start contributing immediately. This has the 
potential to motivate contributors.



5) The one "feature" that I'd consider rolling in would be changes to
work with Mac OS 10.9.  It is not a regression in our code per se, but
it is a new issue, and a critical one.  [...]


A minor and low-risk "feature" is updating bundled dictionaries. As I 
explained in a mail to this list, the update behavior is not optimal 
from a usability point of view so it's best to update dictionaries just 
before the new release. Needless to say, I'd volunteer for that.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Proposal -- AOO 4.0.1 Release

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 8/6/13 3:05 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>> a 4.0.1 release in the next few weeks to address the specific
>> high-urgency issues?  [...]
> 
> Good plan. I'm adding some remarks below, to see the release not only
> from the users point of view, but from the community perspective too.
> 
>> 3) Use the "release blocker" flag to propose defects for inclusion in
>> the 4.0.1 release.
> 
> OK, but by default the "proposed 4.0.1 release blocker" flag (when it
> exists) should be set for:
> 1) All the issues with keyword "regression" found after 4.0 was released
> 2) All the issues nominated as release blockers for 4.0 and unresolved.
> 
> It is important that we don't fall in the "release and forget" trap,
> i.e., "this bug was already known when 4.0 was released, so it doesn't
> need to be evaluated again for 4.0.1". At least, we should re-evaluate
> the old proposed blockers: some of them might have become more relevant.

in theory and with an idealistic view I would agree but for practical
reason I don't. You should not forget that issues have to be fixed as well.

We should really be careful here and should focus on the most serious
issues only. From my point of view many proposed showstoppers for 4.0
were no showstopper and why should we prioritize them now.

And even regressions have to be analyzed where the root cause comes from.


> 
>> 4) New translations are rolled in, since a new translation cannot
>> break core code. [...]
> 
> Here (and, by the way, the infamous problem for Italian was a broken
> translation of style names a few years ago; indeed, this kind of
> problems does not affect other translations) it is really important that
> we are able to clearly communicate to volunteers that they can target
> 4.0.1.
> 
> This is not the case at the moment: we have volunteers who are ready to
> work and Pootle is not ready yet for their language, or it only offers
> 3.4.1. See http://markmail.org/message/4oxacrviktdbmbcv for more.

where are the issues? Where are the volunteers to work on this? Nobody
should plan with other peoples time and willingness

> 
> The opportunity is now and we should definitely make it a priority for
> 4.0.1, so we can tell volunteers that 4.0.1 can be released in their
> language and that they can start contributing immediately. This has the
> potential to motivate contributors.

I agree in general but there is a limitation as you know

> 
>> 5) The one "feature" that I'd consider rolling in would be changes to
>> work with Mac OS 10.9.  It is not a regression in our code per se, but
>> it is a new issue, and a critical one.  [...]
> 
> A minor and low-risk "feature" is updating bundled dictionaries. As I
> explained in a mail to this list, the update behavior is not optimal
> from a usability point of view so it's best to update dictionaries just
> before the new release. Needless to say, I'd volunteer for that.

+1, it seems to fix a problem that is really annoying

Juergen

> 
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: LibO code will be integrated to AOO?

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 8/6/13 3:01 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:05 AM, RA Stehmann
>  wrote:
>> On 06.08.2013 13:41, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt  
>>> wrote:
 On 8/6/13 11:40 AM, FR web forum wrote:
> Hello dev,
>
> Some enhancements exists in LibO and published under MPL v2
> Example:
> RTF import filter https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58819 [1]
> Calc polynomial curve 
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35712#c10 [2]
> Do you think it is possible to integrate this into AOO next release?

 I believe we can't use it. MPL is category b and we can use external
 libs for example and can link against it. But we can't use patches on
 Apache licensed code that are under MPL only. We can only accept ALv2
 patches on this code. Please correct me if I am wrong. This is the crux
 with this license conglomerate that makes no sense at all. And I believe
 many people don't get the details what it really means.

>>>
>>> That is my understanding as well.  But remember, LO is not licensing
>>> these patches at all.  The developers who write the code are providing
>>> the license.  This is a subtle difference, but it means the developers
>>> are free to license the patch under ALv2 as well.  So if there is
>>> something we really would like to integrate we can approach the
>>> developer and ask if they would be willing to license the patch under
>>> ALv2.   I believe that some of the independent LO developers are also
>>> frustrated with the LO hoarding that is going on.
>>>
>> MPL has a very weak copyleft, but it has one. So you can't mix it with
>> code, which is licened unter a non-copyleft licence like the AL.
>>
>> The LibreOffice developers don't want to have a management of copyrights
>> by their foundation. So you have to talk to each developer, whether he
>> or she is willing to licence his or her code under the ALv2 too.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
> 
> I think it is more "tact" than "luck".  But we have had some success
> in making such requests in the past, generally quiet requests directly
> to the developer.  Most open source developers write code because they
> want it to be used and for people to benefit from it.  So if you give
> them an opportunity for their code to be even more widely used, this
> aligns with their goals as well.  But such requests must be made
> quietly, via private email, since there is a lot of peer pressure to
> be uncooperative with Apache.

mmh, I don't like this under the hood tactic, I would prefer a public
blog post to invite developers to provide their patches under ALv2 to
make them available to all users of any OpoenOffice derivative.

Why not asking directly? I personally don't care about people shooting
against me, especially not if their reasons are so stupid and against my
understanding of open source.

Really open minded people will see the benefit of contributing to the
core and fix problems where the code intially comes from.

Juergen

> 
> -Rob
> 
>> Regards
>> Michael
>>
>>
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Re: LibO code will be integrated to AOO?

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
> On 8/6/13 3:01 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:05 AM, RA Stehmann
>>  wrote:
>>> On 06.08.2013 13:41, Rob Weir wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt  
 wrote:
> On 8/6/13 11:40 AM, FR web forum wrote:
>> Hello dev,
>>
>> Some enhancements exists in LibO and published under MPL v2
>> Example:
>> RTF import filter https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58819 [1]
>> Calc polynomial curve 
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35712#c10 [2]
>> Do you think it is possible to integrate this into AOO next release?
>
> I believe we can't use it. MPL is category b and we can use external
> libs for example and can link against it. But we can't use patches on
> Apache licensed code that are under MPL only. We can only accept ALv2
> patches on this code. Please correct me if I am wrong. This is the crux
> with this license conglomerate that makes no sense at all. And I believe
> many people don't get the details what it really means.
>

 That is my understanding as well.  But remember, LO is not licensing
 these patches at all.  The developers who write the code are providing
 the license.  This is a subtle difference, but it means the developers
 are free to license the patch under ALv2 as well.  So if there is
 something we really would like to integrate we can approach the
 developer and ask if they would be willing to license the patch under
 ALv2.   I believe that some of the independent LO developers are also
 frustrated with the LO hoarding that is going on.

>>> MPL has a very weak copyleft, but it has one. So you can't mix it with
>>> code, which is licened unter a non-copyleft licence like the AL.
>>>
>>> The LibreOffice developers don't want to have a management of copyrights
>>> by their foundation. So you have to talk to each developer, whether he
>>> or she is willing to licence his or her code under the ALv2 too.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>
>> I think it is more "tact" than "luck".  But we have had some success
>> in making such requests in the past, generally quiet requests directly
>> to the developer.  Most open source developers write code because they
>> want it to be used and for people to benefit from it.  So if you give
>> them an opportunity for their code to be even more widely used, this
>> aligns with their goals as well.  But such requests must be made
>> quietly, via private email, since there is a lot of peer pressure to
>> be uncooperative with Apache.
>
> mmh, I don't like this under the hood tactic, I would prefer a public
> blog post to invite developers to provide their patches under ALv2 to
> make them available to all users of any OpoenOffice derivative.
>

Code belongs to the person who wrote it.  So sending them a note is
the most direct way to request it under another license.  The
license(s) that a developer puts the code under is a person choice,
not a community one.

> Why not asking directly? I personally don't care about people shooting
> against me, especially not if their reasons are so stupid and against my
> understanding of open source.
>

You can try.  But I think you would be more success approaching the
developer privately compared to publicly putting them on the stop in
front of their peers with a public request.

> Really open minded people will see the benefit of contributing to the
> core and fix problems where the code intially comes from.
>

And this is true if you approach the developer privately as well.

In any case, I'm just describing the approach that I've seen work
several times.  If you have another approach that works, then that is
good to know as well.

-Rob


> Juergen
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> Regards
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
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Re: Proposal -- AOO 4.0.1 Release

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
> On 8/6/13 3:05 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>> a 4.0.1 release in the next few weeks to address the specific
>>> high-urgency issues?  [...]
>>
>> Good plan. I'm adding some remarks below, to see the release not only
>> from the users point of view, but from the community perspective too.
>>
>>> 3) Use the "release blocker" flag to propose defects for inclusion in
>>> the 4.0.1 release.
>>
>> OK, but by default the "proposed 4.0.1 release blocker" flag (when it
>> exists) should be set for:
>> 1) All the issues with keyword "regression" found after 4.0 was released
>> 2) All the issues nominated as release blockers for 4.0 and unresolved.
>>
>> It is important that we don't fall in the "release and forget" trap,
>> i.e., "this bug was already known when 4.0 was released, so it doesn't
>> need to be evaluated again for 4.0.1". At least, we should re-evaluate
>> the old proposed blockers: some of them might have become more relevant.
>
> in theory and with an idealistic view I would agree but for practical
> reason I don't. You should not forget that issues have to be fixed as well.
>
> We should really be careful here and should focus on the most serious
> issues only. From my point of view many proposed showstoppers for 4.0
> were no showstopper and why should we prioritize them now.
>
> And even regressions have to be analyzed where the root cause comes from.
>
>
>>
>>> 4) New translations are rolled in, since a new translation cannot
>>> break core code. [...]
>>
>> Here (and, by the way, the infamous problem for Italian was a broken
>> translation of style names a few years ago; indeed, this kind of
>> problems does not affect other translations) it is really important that
>> we are able to clearly communicate to volunteers that they can target
>> 4.0.1.
>>
>> This is not the case at the moment: we have volunteers who are ready to
>> work and Pootle is not ready yet for their language, or it only offers
>> 3.4.1. See http://markmail.org/message/4oxacrviktdbmbcv for more.
>
> where are the issues? Where are the volunteers to work on this? Nobody
> should plan with other peoples time and willingness
>

So maybe mark things in BZ as regressions, etc.  But only set the
Release Blocker Request flag when a fix is actually available?   That
might make the most sense for a workflow.   We can then continue to
use BZ severity field and regression keyword to categorize the issues
that don't have fixes yet.

-Rob


>>
>> The opportunity is now and we should definitely make it a priority for
>> 4.0.1, so we can tell volunteers that 4.0.1 can be released in their
>> language and that they can start contributing immediately. This has the
>> potential to motivate contributors.
>
> I agree in general but there is a limitation as you know
>
>>
>>> 5) The one "feature" that I'd consider rolling in would be changes to
>>> work with Mac OS 10.9.  It is not a regression in our code per se, but
>>> it is a new issue, and a critical one.  [...]
>>
>> A minor and low-risk "feature" is updating bundled dictionaries. As I
>> explained in a mail to this list, the update behavior is not optimal
>> from a usability point of view so it's best to update dictionaries just
>> before the new release. Needless to say, I'd volunteer for that.
>
> +1, it seems to fix a problem that is really annoying
>
> Juergen
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>   Andrea.
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Re: LibO code will be integrated to AOO?

[RA Stehmann]

On 06.08.2013 15:43, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

>> I think it is more "tact" than "luck".  But we have had some success
>> in making such requests in the past, generally quiet requests directly
>> to the developer.  Most open source developers write code because they
>> want it to be used and for people to benefit from it.  So if you give
>> them an opportunity for their code to be even more widely used, this
>> aligns with their goals as well.  But such requests must be made
>> quietly, via private email, since there is a lot of peer pressure to
>> be uncooperative with Apache.
> 
> mmh, I don't like this under the hood tactic, I would prefer a public
> blog post to invite developers to provide their patches under ALv2 to
> make them available to all users of any OpoenOffice derivative.
> 
> Why not asking directly? I personally don't care about people shooting
> against me, especially not if their reasons are so stupid and against my
> understanding of open source.
> 
> Really open minded people will see the benefit of contributing to the
> core and fix problems where the code intially comes from.

An under the hood tactic wouldn't work, because the AOO sources are
open, so everybody can see contributions coming from "LibreOffice
developers". You can't keep the contributions secret.

So IMO ask them in an open way - hoping to find open minded people.

Regards
Michael




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Re: LibO code will be integrated to AOO?

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:01 AM, RA Stehmann
 wrote:
> On 06.08.2013 15:43, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>
>>> I think it is more "tact" than "luck".  But we have had some success
>>> in making such requests in the past, generally quiet requests directly
>>> to the developer.  Most open source developers write code because they
>>> want it to be used and for people to benefit from it.  So if you give
>>> them an opportunity for their code to be even more widely used, this
>>> aligns with their goals as well.  But such requests must be made
>>> quietly, via private email, since there is a lot of peer pressure to
>>> be uncooperative with Apache.
>>
>> mmh, I don't like this under the hood tactic, I would prefer a public
>> blog post to invite developers to provide their patches under ALv2 to
>> make them available to all users of any OpoenOffice derivative.
>>
>> Why not asking directly? I personally don't care about people shooting
>> against me, especially not if their reasons are so stupid and against my
>> understanding of open source.
>>
>> Really open minded people will see the benefit of contributing to the
>> core and fix problems where the code intially comes from.
>
> An under the hood tactic wouldn't work, because the AOO sources are
> open, so everybody can see contributions coming from "LibreOffice
> developers". You can't keep the contributions secret.
>

Actually, it does work.   It has happened on several occasions, even
with AOO 4.0.

I think you are mixing up two things:  asking privately and
contributing publicly.  These are not contradictory.

In any case, I'd challenge anyone to point to an example where the
contrary approach worked:  asking publicly on the LO mailing list.

-Rob


> So IMO ask them in an open way - hoping to find open minded people.
>
> Regards
> Michael
>
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Re: LibO code will be integrated to AOO?

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:01 AM, RA Stehmann
>  wrote:
>> On 06.08.2013 15:43, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>>
 I think it is more "tact" than "luck".  But we have had some success
 in making such requests in the past, generally quiet requests directly
 to the developer.  Most open source developers write code because they
 want it to be used and for people to benefit from it.  So if you give
 them an opportunity for their code to be even more widely used, this
 aligns with their goals as well.  But such requests must be made
 quietly, via private email, since there is a lot of peer pressure to
 be uncooperative with Apache.
>>>
>>> mmh, I don't like this under the hood tactic, I would prefer a public
>>> blog post to invite developers to provide their patches under ALv2 to
>>> make them available to all users of any OpoenOffice derivative.
>>>
>>> Why not asking directly? I personally don't care about people shooting
>>> against me, especially not if their reasons are so stupid and against my
>>> understanding of open source.
>>>
>>> Really open minded people will see the benefit of contributing to the
>>> core and fix problems where the code intially comes from.
>>
>> An under the hood tactic wouldn't work, because the AOO sources are
>> open, so everybody can see contributions coming from "LibreOffice
>> developers". You can't keep the contributions secret.
>>
>
> Actually, it does work.   It has happened on several occasions, even
> with AOO 4.0.
>
> I think you are mixing up two things:  asking privately and
> contributing publicly.  These are not contradictory.
>

Or maybe the point you are missing is the distinction between a
"quiet" approach and a "secret" approach.  These are not the same
thing.  I'm not proposing secrecy.   But one can be transparent
without drawing unwanted attention to a request.

-Rob


> In any case, I'd challenge anyone to point to an example where the
> contrary approach worked:  asking publicly on the LO mailing list.
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> So IMO ask them in an open way - hoping to find open minded people.
>>
>> Regards
>> Michael
>>
>>

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Re: [proposal] Establish new svn area for "branding" objects

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> On 05/08/2013 Kay Schenk wrote:
>>
>> Do you think this needs "trunk"? Nothing under the "branches" has trunk
>> but
>> we have this structure for "updates-site".  really I am confused about
>> this
>> aspect.
>> Advice?
>
>
> This makes sense only if we wish to structure this area with the classic
> "trunk/branches/tags" schema. Since I don't expect we will store code or
> test versions under "branding/", I think we can start with no structure. If
> really needed (but I don't see any possible reasons now, since that area is
> meant to be used to archive approved materials) we can add the
> trunk/branches/tags structure later.
>

+1.  I don't think we'll be doing branching and tagging in this area.

-Rob


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Re: Tools for Dictionary Developers - Wiki

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Marco A.G.Pinto <
marcoagpi...@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:

>  Hello!
>
> The page:
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries#Tools_for_dictionary_developers
> :
> claims to be obsolete.
>
> Will there be a new page for the language developers tools?
>
>
Maybe on the Hunspell website?

http://hunspell.sourceforge.net/

Or is there another page that is more central to people working on
dictionary development?   I don't think our old wiki page is the place most
often consulted for this kind of thing.

-Rob


> I have been improving my tool "Proofing Tool GUI" bit by bit and maybe
> next month I will release a V2.1 .
>
> Just wondering if there will be a new place for me to put the link to it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kind regards,
>>Marco A.G.Pinto
>  ---
>
>
>  --
>

[IDEA] "Back to School with AOO" blog post

[Rob Weir]

It is that time of year now:  back to school.

I wonder if this could make a good blog post.   Of course, AOO being
free is core part of the story.  But even better would be if we had a
"top 10" list of ways in which AOO is great for school.

Maybe specific templates or extensions that are especially useful for school?

Good for students as well as for teachers?

Any special tips or techniques about using AOO for school work?

If we can come up with 10 nice ideas, I can write it up in a blog post.

Pleas share any ideas you might have.

-Rob

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Re: Proposal -- AOO 4.0.1 Release

[janI]

On 6 August 2013 15:05, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> a 4.0.1 release in the next few weeks to address the specific
>> high-urgency issues?  [...]
>>
>
> Good plan. I'm adding some remarks below, to see the release not only from
> the users point of view, but from the community perspective too.
>
>  3) Use the "release blocker" flag to propose defects for inclusion in
>> the 4.0.1 release.
>>
>
> OK, but by default the "proposed 4.0.1 release blocker" flag (when it
> exists) should be set for:
> 1) All the issues with keyword "regression" found after 4.0 was released
> 2) All the issues nominated as release blockers for 4.0 and unresolved.
>
> It is important that we don't fall in the "release and forget" trap, i.e.,
> "this bug was already known when 4.0 was released, so it doesn't need to be
> evaluated again for 4.0.1". At least, we should re-evaluate the old
> proposed blockers: some of them might have become more relevant.
>
>  4) New translations are rolled in, since a new translation cannot
>> break core code. [...]
>>
>
> Here (and, by the way, the infamous problem for Italian was a broken
> translation of style names a few years ago; indeed, this kind of problems
> does not affect other translations) it is really important that we are able
> to clearly communicate to volunteers that they can target 4.0.1.
>
> This is not the case at the moment: we have volunteers who are ready to
> work and Pootle is not ready yet for their language, or it only offers
> 3.4.1. See 
> http://markmail.org/message/**4oxacrviktdbmbcvfor
>  more.
>

We need to differentiate here, Pootle is just one tool of many. When you
start on a major editing process like a new language, it not fast and
convinient enough, you can edit a lot faster offline, and then upload the
results.

It is another matter if the PO files are not ready, that would prohibit
work. However we have a high volume of langauges that  are both available
as PO files and in Pootle, so I think this is a real showstopper, apart
from a single language (which problaly takes more than a couple of weeks to
translate)



>
> The opportunity is now and we should definitely make it a priority for
> 4.0.1, so we can tell volunteers that 4.0.1 can be released in their
> language and that they can start contributing immediately. This has the
> potential to motivate contributors.
>

I agree to this...lets get those languages that are nearly there completed,
and once we have volunteers working on that for 4.01, and those languages
who are no near complete or miss totally be planned for 4.1

rgds
jan I.

>
>  5) The one "feature" that I'd consider rolling in would be changes to
>> work with Mac OS 10.9.  It is not a regression in our code per se, but
>> it is a new issue, and a critical one.  [...]
>>
>
> A minor and low-risk "feature" is updating bundled dictionaries. As I
> explained in a mail to this list, the update behavior is not optimal from a
> usability point of view so it's best to update dictionaries just before the
> new release. Needless to say, I'd volunteer for that.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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Re: [IDEA] "Back to School with AOO" blog post

[Ian Lynch]

On 6 August 2013 15:40, Rob Weir  wrote:

> It is that time of year now:  back to school.
>
> I wonder if this could make a good blog post.   Of course, AOO being
> free is core part of the story.  But even better would be if we had a
> "top 10" list of ways in which AOO is great for school.
>


1. Use the same software at home and at school without worrying about
licensing
2. Participate in the AOO community and provide useful things for others
while you learn
3. Fix broken Word documents
4. Provide choice and promote transferrable skills by using more than one
type of tool
5. Get a qualification referenced to the European Qualifications Framework




>
> Maybe specific templates or extensions that are especially useful for
> school?
>
> Good for students as well as for teachers?
>
> Any special tips or techniques about using AOO for school work?
>
> If we can come up with 10 nice ideas, I can write it up in a blog post.
>
> Pleas share any ideas you might have.
>
> -Rob
>
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Re: [IDEA] "Back to School with AOO" blog post

[Donald Whytock]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:

> On 6 August 2013 15:40, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
> > It is that time of year now:  back to school.
> >
> > I wonder if this could make a good blog post.   Of course, AOO being
> > free is core part of the story.  But even better would be if we had a
> > "top 10" list of ways in which AOO is great for school.
> >
>
>
> 1. Use the same software at home and at school without worrying about
> licensing
> 2. Participate in the AOO community and provide useful things for others
> while you learn
> 3. Fix broken Word documents
> 4. Provide choice and promote transferrable skills by using more than one
> type of tool
> 5. Get a qualification referenced to the European Qualifications Framework
>

6. Fits nicely in a small/low income community's school budget.

Don

Re: [IDEA] "Back to School with AOO" blog post

[sebb]

On 6 August 2013 15:56, Donald Whytock  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
>
>> On 6 August 2013 15:40, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>
>> > It is that time of year now:  back to school.
>> >
>> > I wonder if this could make a good blog post.   Of course, AOO being
>> > free is core part of the story.  But even better would be if we had a
>> > "top 10" list of ways in which AOO is great for school.
>> >
>>
>>
>> 1. Use the same software at home and at school without worrying about
>> licensing
>> 2. Participate in the AOO community and provide useful things for others
>> while you learn
>> 3. Fix broken Word documents
>> 4. Provide choice and promote transferrable skills by using more than one
>> type of tool
>> 5. Get a qualification referenced to the European Qualifications Framework
>>
>
> 6. Fits nicely in a small/low income community's school budget.

7. Work in multiple languages.

> Don

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doubt about dictionary - location of file standard.dic

[Cássio Fernando Santos Soares]

Hello, okay? several years'm user openoffice, but did the update to version 4.0 
and I can not put the spell check in model Portuguese-br, gotta inseriri 
standard.dic dictionary word for word. I would like to know the location of the 
file standard.dic so I can replace the file for a complete archive.
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Re: Proposal -- AOO 4.0.1 Release

[Andrea Pescetti]

Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

On 8/6/13 3:05 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

It is important that we don't fall in the "release and forget" trap,
i.e., "this bug was already known when 4.0 was released, so it doesn't
need to be evaluated again for 4.0.1". At least, we should re-evaluate
the old proposed blockers: some of them might have become more relevant.

in theory and with an idealistic view I would agree but for practical
reason I don't. You should not forget that issues have to be fixed as well.
We should really be careful here and should focus on the most serious
issues only. From my point of view many proposed showstoppers for 4.0
were no showstopper and why should we prioritize them now.


We shouldn't prioritize them, just look at them again. My suggestion was 
to have regressions and old nominated blockers as PROPOSED blockers 
(status: ?), not as blockers (status: +). Some will have to be rejected 
again, obviously; but it is very bad, as a user and a community member, 
to get an answer like my (made up) example above. Of course, anybody who 
is concerned can propose an issue as a blocker, but a quick review makes 
sense in my opinion.



we have volunteers who are ready to
work and Pootle is not ready yet for their language, or it only offers
3.4.1. See http://markmail.org/message/4oxacrviktdbmbcv for more.

where are the issues? Where are the volunteers to work on this? Nobody
should plan with other peoples time and willingness


One issue: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122910

As for the volunteers, I understand that the Pootle update is a lot of 
work, as I wrote. Fact is, this lot of work is instrumental in 
attracting volunteers successfully and will remain the same amount of 
work whether done now or after 4.0.1. And doing it now (or soon) is a 
nice opportunity for the project for a combination of reasons: 
OpenOffice 4.0 had great exposure, volunteers want to translate it into 
their language, Summer is the best period for people to contribute in 
their spare time, telling someone that his efforts will be turned into 
an official release next month is very motivating... But indeed so far 
you are the only one who actually did this Pootle administration work.


Regards,
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Re: [proposal] Establish new svn area for "branding" objects

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Andrea Pescetti 
> wrote:
> > On 05/08/2013 Kay Schenk wrote:
> >>
> >> Do you think this needs "trunk"? Nothing under the "branches" has trunk
> >> but
> >> we have this structure for "updates-site".  really I am confused about
> >> this
> >> aspect.
> >> Advice?
> >
> >
> > This makes sense only if we wish to structure this area with the classic
> > "trunk/branches/tags" schema. Since I don't expect we will store code or
> > test versions under "branding/", I think we can start with no structure.
> If
> > really needed (but I don't see any possible reasons now, since that area
> is
> > meant to be used to archive approved materials) we can add the
> > trunk/branches/tags structure later.
> >
>
> +1.  I don't think we'll be doing branching and tagging in this area.
>
> -Rob
>

OK, I did not supply "trunk". The newest image files are now moved to the
new branding area. More to come, and cleanup in web site area, etc.



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Re: Proposal -- AOO 4.0.1 Release

[janI]

On 6 August 2013 17:15, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>
>> On 8/6/13 3:05 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>
>>> It is important that we don't fall in the "release and forget" trap,
>>> i.e., "this bug was already known when 4.0 was released, so it doesn't
>>> need to be evaluated again for 4.0.1". At least, we should re-evaluate
>>> the old proposed blockers: some of them might have become more relevant.
>>>
>> in theory and with an idealistic view I would agree but for practical
>> reason I don't. You should not forget that issues have to be fixed as
>> well.
>> We should really be careful here and should focus on the most serious
>> issues only. From my point of view many proposed showstoppers for 4.0
>> were no showstopper and why should we prioritize them now.
>>
>
> We shouldn't prioritize them, just look at them again. My suggestion was
> to have regressions and old nominated blockers as PROPOSED blockers
> (status: ?), not as blockers (status: +). Some will have to be rejected
> again, obviously; but it is very bad, as a user and a community member, to
> get an answer like my (made up) example above. Of course, anybody who is
> concerned can propose an issue as a blocker, but a quick review makes sense
> in my opinion.
>
>
>  we have volunteers who are ready to
>>> work and Pootle is not ready yet for their language, or it only offers
>>> 3.4.1. See 
>>> http://markmail.org/message/**4oxacrviktdbmbcvfor
>>>  more.
>>>
>> where are the issues? Where are the volunteers to work on this? Nobody
>> should plan with other peoples time and willingness
>>
>
> One issue: 
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=122910
>
> As for the volunteers, I understand that the Pootle update is a lot of
> work, as I wrote. Fact is, this lot of work is instrumental in attracting
> volunteers successfully and will remain the same amount of work whether
> done now or after 4.0.1. And doing it now (or soon) is a nice opportunity
> for the project for a combination of reasons: OpenOffice 4.0 had great
> exposure, volunteers want to translate it into their language, Summer is
> the best period for people to contribute in their spare time, telling
> someone that his efforts will be turned into an official release next month
> is very motivating... But indeed so far you are the only one who actually
> did this Pootle administration work.


I can give a hand, with this work, but reading through the mails it seems
we have quite a few open issues (mainly raised by jsc):
- Should we make 4.01 in pootle or as suggested continue working on 4.0 ?
- Do we want to add languages where we have no translation teams ?
- How do we merge languages changed in pootle and sdf ?

@jsc, I have trunk on my linux, so I suggest the following procedure
(provided you agree):

1) I convert all sdf files to po files (to be sure lets agree offlist on
the actual cmds and parm to use)
2) upload the PO files to a temp dir on translate-vm2.a.o
3) sync db with po dir on translate-vm2.a.o
4) create project 4.01 with content of 4.0
5) compare if Pootle files contain newer info then sdf-PO files (this will
be the difficult part)
6) create new languages
7) overwrite PO-dir with sdf-PO
8) sync PO dir with pootle (only for lang. with differences)

If we agree, I can do it very fast (within a day).

rgds
jan I.



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Re: Tools for Dictionary Developers - Wiki

[Andrea Pescetti]

Marco A.G.Pinto wrote:

The page:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries#Tools_for_dictionary_developers:
claims to be obsolete.
Will there be a new page for the language developers tools?


What I wanted to say when I put that notice is that the list of 
dictionaries the page used to contain is obsolete and that dictionaries 
are now extensions. Feel free to improve the wording; we can continue to 
use that page for linking to tools like yours, and indeed these 
resources are not outdated.


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Re: [proposal] Establish new svn area for "branding" objects

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Andrea Pescetti 
>> wrote:
>> > On 05/08/2013 Kay Schenk wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Do you think this needs "trunk"? Nothing under the "branches" has trunk
>> >> but
>> >> we have this structure for "updates-site".  really I am confused about
>> >> this
>> >> aspect.
>> >> Advice?
>> >
>> >
>> > This makes sense only if we wish to structure this area with the classic
>> > "trunk/branches/tags" schema. Since I don't expect we will store code or
>> > test versions under "branding/", I think we can start with no structure.
>> If
>> > really needed (but I don't see any possible reasons now, since that area
>> is
>> > meant to be used to archive approved materials) we can add the
>> > trunk/branches/tags structure later.
>> >
>>
>> +1.  I don't think we'll be doing branching and tagging in this area.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
> OK, I did not supply "trunk". The newest image files are now moved to the
> new branding area. More to come, and cleanup in web site area, etc.
>

It might be worth having some sub-directories there, with no files in the root.

For example:

/branding/logo/contest --- have the final submission from ChrisR
there, including supporting files

/branding/logo/master  -- have the final version of the logo here,
with a name like master-logo.svg.  But no unnecessary other files.

/branding/logo/special -- this is where we can store the source
versions of special logos we do, like for International Mother
Language Day or Christmas

Are there other aspects of the brand that have artifacts that we need
to store?  Maybe not now, but I could imagine having short video
titles that could indicate an official video on our official YouTube
channel, if we had one.  Or an ODT document with our official letter
head.   Things like this could fit into this directory structure as
well.

A chart showing the RGB values for the logo colors would be good to
have, as well as instructions for how to use/not use the logo.  But
maybe that belongs on the wiki?

Finally, since this is a murky side of OpenOffice.org that has caused
confusion before, I wonder if we should have a /branding/records
directory where keep a simple text log of entities that have been
given permission to use the logo or related trademarks?  Or is that
redundant with something Shane already does?

Regards,

-Rob

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Re: doubt about dictionary - location of file standard.dic

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Hello, okay? several years'm user openoffice, but did the update to version 4.0 
and I can not put the spell check in model Portuguese-br, gotta inseriri 
standard.dic dictionary word for word. I would like to know the location of the 
file standard.dic so I can replace the file for a complete archive.
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Re: [proposal] Establish new svn area for "branding" objects

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 08/06/2013 08:48 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Andrea Pescetti
wrote:

On 05/08/2013 Kay Schenk wrote:


Do you think this needs "trunk"? Nothing under the "branches" has trunk
but
we have this structure for "updates-site".  really I am confused about
this
aspect.
Advice?



This makes sense only if we wish to structure this area with the classic
"trunk/branches/tags" schema. Since I don't expect we will store code or
test versions under "branding/", I think we can start with no structure.

If

really needed (but I don't see any possible reasons now, since that area

is

meant to be used to archive approved materials) we can add the
trunk/branches/tags structure later.



+1.  I don't think we'll be doing branching and tagging in this area.

-Rob



OK, I did not supply "trunk". The newest image files are now moved to the
new branding area. More to come, and cleanup in web site area, etc.



It might be worth having some sub-directories there, with no files in the root.


I would leave the warning file in the root dir.


For example:

/branding/logo/contest --- have the final submission from ChrisR
there, including supporting files

/branding/logo/master  -- have the final version of the logo here,
with a name like master-logo.svg.  But no unnecessary other files.

/branding/logo/special -- this is where we can store the source
versions of special logos we do, like for International Mother
Language Day or Christmas

Are there other aspects of the brand that have artifacts that we need
to store?  Maybe not now, but I could imagine having short video
titles that could indicate an official video on our official YouTube
channel, if we had one.  Or an ODT document with our official letter
head.   Things like this could fit into this directory structure as
well.

A chart showing the RGB values for the logo colors would be good to
have, as well as instructions for how to use/not use the logo.  But
maybe that belongs on the wiki?

Finally, since this is a murky side of OpenOffice.org that has caused
confusion before, I wonder if we should have a /branding/records
directory where keep a simple text log of entities that have been
given permission to use the logo or related trademarks?  Or is that
redundant with something Shane already does?


Good idea but IMHO this is better located in the pmc/private part of SVN.

Marcus


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Updated table: Downloads by Country

[Rob Weir]

I just updated the page showing downloads by country.  The last update
was back in May.

http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html

The ordering at the top has not changed much, except that Poland has
overtaken the Netherlands for the #10 spot.

Same number of countries listed as before.  I think we have them all,
except North Korea, so barring political changes that count will stay
at 237.

Regards,

-Rob

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pootle (translate-vm2.a.o down with mysql problems.

[janI]

Hi.

pootle experienced a mysql error, about an hour ago.

I am looking at the problem.

rgds
jan I.

Introduction & Query on getting started with accessibility coding work in Open Office

[Glen & Nicci Johnson]

Hi all,

I had a discussion recently with Steve Lee (of Open Directive), about
my desire to get involved in software development on the accessibility
side of notable open source projects. He suggested I maybe have a look
at the work that's going on in Apache Open Office regarding the
merging in of the IAccessible2 code from IBM's Lotus Symphony. I've
been using Open Office very happily for many years, so I thought it
sounded like a great idea.

- Is there any Java coding involved in this? I'm asking this as Java
is one of my main coding skills
- Would any of you perhaps be able to point me in the right direction
regarding this work?
- Is there any documentation on the WIKI (or elsewhere) outlining this
work and giving a background on the tasks that need to be done?
- Who do I speak to about the work going on in OO regarding
IAccessible2 and any other accessiblity work?

Thanks in advance

Since I'm new here, I thought I'd give a brief background on myself below:

Having worked as a Software Engineer in many different industries for
over 15 years, I'm interested in getting involved in accessibility and
assistive software development - preferably Open Source.

I am passionate about developing accessibility / assistive software
which empowers disabled people to overcome the barriers imposed by the
difficulties and impairments they experience. In so doing, I want to
help them lead fuller lives and have a chance to reach their full
potential.

I have a good general knowledge covering a number of disabilities -
specific learning disabilities, and vision impairments e.g. Visual
Stress / Irlen Syndrome


Please let me know how and where I can contribute to the development
of accessibility in Open Office. Thank you.

Kind regards

Glen Johnson
Java Software Engineer
LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/glenjohnsonsofteng

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Re: Download page could give approximate file size

[Roberto Galoppini]

2013/8/5 Marcus (OOo) 

> Am 08/05/2013 07:11 PM, schrieb sebb:
>
>  On 4 August 2013 19:45, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
>>
>>> Am 07/27/2013 10:14 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>>
>>>  Am 07/27/2013 10:10 PM, schrieb sebb:

>
> It might be helpful if the download page showed the approximate file
> size downloads.
>
> This would help users to know how long it might take (and do they have
> the space!) as well as offering an obvious sign if a download is
> truncated by more than a few kB. Not perfect, but would have helped
> the recent downloader.
>


 Right, this would be much more helpful than having nothing.

 I'll think about how to implement this into the current DL scripting.

>>>
>>>
>>> I've created some new scripting and the result can be seen here:
>>>
>>> http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**index.html
>>>
>>
>> That's good to have the size in the main download box.
>> However, given that the size is approximate, I'm not sure it's
>> necessary to provide it to two decimal places.
>> Either give the exact size, or round to the nearest MB.
>>
>> The page shows me:
>>
>> Windows (EXE) and English (British) (~129.89 MByte).
>>
>> Once downloaded, the Windows XP property page shows:
>> 129 MB (136,201,626 bytes)
>>
>> So I think the download box should also show 129MB
>>
>
> OK, I've eliminated the decimal places.
>
>
>  Unhelpfully, the SF downloads page [1] shows 136.2MB - looks as though
>> they divided by 1000 rather than 1024 - though it's unlikely anyone
>> would/could use that page as the file names are all truncated.  I
>> don't know if it's possible to change the column sze for the name
>> column. Would be good if that could be corrected along with the size.
>>
>
> Please have a look into this issue:
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=122233


I have been commenting over there, please let me know if it works for you.

Thanks,

Roberto



>
>
>  [1] http://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/**
>> files/4.0.0/binaries/en-GB/
>>
>> Also, the KEYS/sigs/hashes ought to be shown before the alternate
>> downloads, ideally within the main green box as they relate to the
>> main download
>>
>
> I've tried to realize that. But I think it's not possible as there is only
> one link possible as the whole pper green box has to be clickable: for the
> install file or for one of the signature/hash files.
>
> The most important part is the install file. Everything else is secondary.
>
>
>  The other downloads ought to be shown in a bit more detail in a separate
>> box
>>
>
> What do you mean with more details? What do you think is missing?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
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Re: Download page could give approximate file size

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 08/06/2013 09:55 PM, schrieb Roberto Galoppini:

2013/8/5 Marcus (OOo)


Am 08/05/2013 07:11 PM, schrieb sebb:

  On 4 August 2013 19:45, Marcus (OOo)   wrote:



Am 07/27/2013 10:14 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):

  Am 07/27/2013 10:10 PM, schrieb sebb:




It might be helpful if the download page showed the approximate file
size downloads.

This would help users to know how long it might take (and do they have
the space!) as well as offering an obvious sign if a download is
truncated by more than a few kB. Not perfect, but would have helped
the recent downloader.




Right, this would be much more helpful than having nothing.

I'll think about how to implement this into the current DL scripting.




I've created some new scripting and the result can be seen here:

http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**index.html



That's good to have the size in the main download box.
However, given that the size is approximate, I'm not sure it's
necessary to provide it to two decimal places.
Either give the exact size, or round to the nearest MB.

The page shows me:

Windows (EXE) and English (British) (~129.89 MByte).

Once downloaded, the Windows XP property page shows:
129 MB (136,201,626 bytes)

So I think the download box should also show 129MB



OK, I've eliminated the decimal places.


  Unhelpfully, the SF downloads page [1] shows 136.2MB - looks as though

they divided by 1000 rather than 1024 - though it's unlikely anyone
would/could use that page as the file names are all truncated.  I
don't know if it's possible to change the column sze for the name
column. Would be good if that could be corrected along with the size.



Please have a look into this issue:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=122233



I have been commenting over there, please let me know if it works for you.


Yes, thanks.

The problem with the file size should be a little thing.

The one with the truncated filenames seems more severe. To show the 
complete file name via mouse over text is a good step forward. Let's see 
what the issue reporter will say.


Marcus




  [1] http://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/**

files/4.0.0/binaries/en-GB/

Also, the KEYS/sigs/hashes ought to be shown before the alternate
downloads, ideally within the main green box as they relate to the
main download



I've tried to realize that. But I think it's not possible as there is only
one link possible as the whole pper green box has to be clickable: for the
install file or for one of the signature/hash files.

The most important part is the install file. Everything else is secondary.


  The other downloads ought to be shown in a bit more detail in a separate

box



What do you mean with more details? What do you think is missing?

Thanks


Marcus


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Re: Updated table: Downloads by Country

[F C. Costero]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> I just updated the page showing downloads by country.  The last update
> was back in May.
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html
>
> The ordering at the top has not changed much, except that Poland has
> overtaken the Netherlands for the #10 spot.
>
> Same number of countries listed as before.  I think we have them all,
> except North Korea, so barring political changes that count will stay
> at 237.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
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  Thanks for the interesting data. I did notice that country 179 is "Ã…land
Islands".  Any idea what the is supposed to be?
Best regards,
Francis

Re: Download page could give approximate file size

[Roberto Galoppini]

2013/8/6 Marcus (OOo) 

> Am 08/06/2013 09:55 PM, schrieb Roberto Galoppini:
>
>> 2013/8/5 Marcus (OOo)
>>
>>  Am 08/05/2013 07:11 PM, schrieb sebb:
>>>
>>>   On 4 August 2013 19:45, Marcus (OOo)   wrote:
>>>

  Am 07/27/2013 10:14 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>
>   Am 07/27/2013 10:10 PM, schrieb sebb:
>
>>
>>
>>> It might be helpful if the download page showed the approximate file
>>> size downloads.
>>>
>>> This would help users to know how long it might take (and do they
>>> have
>>> the space!) as well as offering an obvious sign if a download is
>>> truncated by more than a few kB. Not perfect, but would have helped
>>> the recent downloader.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Right, this would be much more helpful than having nothing.
>>
>> I'll think about how to implement this into the current DL scripting.
>>
>>
>
> I've created some new scripting and the result can be seen here:
>
> http://ooo-site.staging.**apac**he.org/download/test/**index.**html
> 
> >
>
>
 That's good to have the size in the main download box.
 However, given that the size is approximate, I'm not sure it's
 necessary to provide it to two decimal places.
 Either give the exact size, or round to the nearest MB.

 The page shows me:

 Windows (EXE) and English (British) (~129.89 MByte).

 Once downloaded, the Windows XP property page shows:
 129 MB (136,201,626 bytes)

 So I think the download box should also show 129MB


>>> OK, I've eliminated the decimal places.
>>>
>>>
>>>   Unhelpfully, the SF downloads page [1] shows 136.2MB - looks as though
>>>
 they divided by 1000 rather than 1024 - though it's unlikely anyone
 would/could use that page as the file names are all truncated.  I
 don't know if it's possible to change the column sze for the name
 column. Would be good if that could be corrected along with the size.


>>> Please have a look into this issue:
>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122233
>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122233>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have been commenting over there, please let me know if it works for you.
>>
>
> Yes, thanks.
>
> The problem with the file size should be a little thing.
>

That will be fixed soon.


>
> The one with the truncated filenames seems more severe. To show the
> complete file name via mouse over text is a good step forward. Let's see
> what the issue reporter will say.
>

Sure, let's see what he thinks.

Thanks,


>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>[1] 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/
>>>
 files/4.0.0/binaries/en-GB/>>> openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.**0.0/binaries/en-GB/
 >


 Also, the KEYS/sigs/hashes ought to be shown before the alternate
 downloads, ideally within the main green box as they relate to the
 main download


>>> I've tried to realize that. But I think it's not possible as there is
>>> only
>>> one link possible as the whole pper green box has to be clickable: for
>>> the
>>> install file or for one of the signature/hash files.
>>>
>>> The most important part is the install file. Everything else is
>>> secondary.
>>>
>>>
>>>   The other downloads ought to be shown in a bit more detail in a
>>> separate
>>>
 box


>>> What do you mean with more details? What do you think is missing?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>
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Re: [proposal] Establish new svn area for "branding" objects

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:

> Am 08/06/2013 08:48 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>  On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>>
>>>  On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Andrea Pescetti
 wrote:

> On 05/08/2013 Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>>
>> Do you think this needs "trunk"? Nothing under the "branches" has
>> trunk
>> but
>> we have this structure for "updates-site".  really I am confused about
>> this
>> aspect.
>> Advice?
>>
>
>
> This makes sense only if we wish to structure this area with the
> classic
> "trunk/branches/tags" schema. Since I don't expect we will store code
> or
> test versions under "branding/", I think we can start with no
> structure.
>
 If

> really needed (but I don't see any possible reasons now, since that
> area
>
 is

> meant to be used to archive approved materials) we can add the
> trunk/branches/tags structure later.
>
>
 +1.  I don't think we'll be doing branching and tagging in this area.

 -Rob


>>> OK, I did not supply "trunk". The newest image files are now moved to the
>>> new branding area. More to come, and cleanup in web site area, etc.
>>>
>>>
>> It might be worth having some sub-directories there, with no files in the
>> root.
>>
>
Well we can adjust as we go along. RIght now, I am still trying to hunt
down actual old "svgs" that may rightfully  belong in the new area. So far,
I am only finding saved resized svgs but not the originals for most
items.   So, these are cases when sub-dividing into old vs new would be a
good idea.


> I would leave the warning file in the root dir.
>
>
>  For example:
>>
>> /branding/logo/contest --- have the final submission from ChrisR
>> there, including supporting files
>>
>> /branding/logo/master  -- have the final version of the logo here,
>> with a name like master-logo.svg.  But no unnecessary other files.
>>
>> /branding/logo/special -- this is where we can store the source
>> versions of special logos we do, like for International Mother
>> Language Day or Christmas
>>
>> Are there other aspects of the brand that have artifacts that we need
>> to store?  Maybe not now, but I could imagine having short video
>> titles that could indicate an official video on our official YouTube
>> channel, if we had one.  Or an ODT document with our official letter
>> head.   Things like this could fit into this directory structure as
>> well.
>>
>> A chart showing the RGB values for the logo colors would be good to
>> have, as well as instructions for how to use/not use the logo.  But
>> maybe that belongs on the wiki?
>>
>> Finally, since this is a murky side of OpenOffice.org that has caused
>> confusion before, I wonder if we should have a /branding/records
>> directory where keep a simple text log of entities that have been
>> given permission to use the logo or related trademarks?  Or is that
>> redundant with something Shane already does?
>>
>
> Good idea but IMHO this is better located in the pmc/private part of SVN.
>

A toss-up for me on this...and do we know what records Shane keeps?


>
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>
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Re: [proposal] Establish new svn area for "branding" objects

[Kay Schenk]

[top posting]

I think the following files should be moved to the new branding area and
removed from the website area as well:

http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/svg/AOOfeather_logo_website.svg

http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/svg/get-aoo_300x100.svg

Comments?



On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>
>> Am 08/06/2013 08:48 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>
>>  On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Kay Schenk
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

  On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Andrea Pescetti
> wrote:
>
>> On 05/08/2013 Kay Schenk wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Do you think this needs "trunk"? Nothing under the "branches" has
>>> trunk
>>> but
>>> we have this structure for "updates-site".  really I am confused
>>> about
>>> this
>>> aspect.
>>> Advice?
>>>
>>
>>
>> This makes sense only if we wish to structure this area with the
>> classic
>> "trunk/branches/tags" schema. Since I don't expect we will store code
>> or
>> test versions under "branding/", I think we can start with no
>> structure.
>>
> If
>
>> really needed (but I don't see any possible reasons now, since that
>> area
>>
> is
>
>> meant to be used to archive approved materials) we can add the
>> trunk/branches/tags structure later.
>>
>>
> +1.  I don't think we'll be doing branching and tagging in this area.
>
> -Rob
>
>
 OK, I did not supply "trunk". The newest image files are now moved to
 the
 new branding area. More to come, and cleanup in web site area, etc.


>>> It might be worth having some sub-directories there, with no files in
>>> the root.
>>>
>>
> Well we can adjust as we go along. RIght now, I am still trying to hunt
> down actual old "svgs" that may rightfully  belong in the new area. So far,
> I am only finding saved resized svgs but not the originals for most
> items.   So, these are cases when sub-dividing into old vs new would be a
> good idea.
>
>
>> I would leave the warning file in the root dir.
>>
>>
>>  For example:
>>>
>>> /branding/logo/contest --- have the final submission from ChrisR
>>> there, including supporting files
>>>
>>> /branding/logo/master  -- have the final version of the logo here,
>>> with a name like master-logo.svg.  But no unnecessary other files.
>>>
>>> /branding/logo/special -- this is where we can store the source
>>> versions of special logos we do, like for International Mother
>>> Language Day or Christmas
>>>
>>> Are there other aspects of the brand that have artifacts that we need
>>> to store?  Maybe not now, but I could imagine having short video
>>> titles that could indicate an official video on our official YouTube
>>> channel, if we had one.  Or an ODT document with our official letter
>>> head.   Things like this could fit into this directory structure as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> A chart showing the RGB values for the logo colors would be good to
>>> have, as well as instructions for how to use/not use the logo.  But
>>> maybe that belongs on the wiki?
>>>
>>> Finally, since this is a murky side of OpenOffice.org that has caused
>>> confusion before, I wonder if we should have a /branding/records
>>> directory where keep a simple text log of entities that have been
>>> given permission to use the logo or related trademarks?  Or is that
>>> redundant with something Shane already does?
>>>
>>
>> Good idea but IMHO this is better located in the pmc/private part of SVN.
>>
>
> A toss-up for me on this...and do we know what records Shane keeps?
>
>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Updated table: Downloads by Country

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:29 PM, F C. Costero  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> I just updated the page showing downloads by country.  The last update
>> was back in May.
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html
>>
>> The ordering at the top has not changed much, except that Poland has
>> overtaken the Netherlands for the #10 spot.
>>
>> Same number of countries listed as before.  I think we have them all,
>> except North Korea, so barring political changes that count will stay
>> at 237.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
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>   Thanks for the interesting data. I did notice that country 179 is "Ã…land
> Islands".  Any idea what the is supposed to be?

I think it is the Åland Islands, an autonomous region of Finland:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85land_Islands

But what it really means is that I have a UTF-8 encoding bug in my
Python script ;-)

Regards,

-Rob

> Best regards,
> Francis

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Re: Updated table: Downloads by Country

[Raphael Bircher]

Am 06.08.13 23:41, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:29 PM, F C. Costero  wrote:

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:


I just updated the page showing downloads by country.  The last update
was back in May.

http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html

The ordering at the top has not changed much, except that Poland has
overtaken the Netherlands for the #10 spot.

Same number of countries listed as before.  I think we have them all,
except North Korea, so barring political changes that count will stay
at 237.

Regards,

-Rob

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Rob,

   Thanks for the interesting data. I did notice that country 179 is "Ã…land
Islands".  Any idea what the is supposed to be?

I think it is the Åland Islands, an autonomous region of Finland:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85land_Islands

But what it really means is that I have a UTF-8 encoding bug in my
Python script ;-)
I notice that we have 3 Downloads from Antarctica. I didn't know 
that pingus have internet connection Nice that AOO is still used 
in the coldest part of earth.



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Re: Updated table: Downloads by Country

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
> Am 06.08.13 23:41, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:29 PM, F C. Costero 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>>
 I just updated the page showing downloads by country.  The last update
 was back in May.

 http://www.openoffice.org/stats/countries.html

 The ordering at the top has not changed much, except that Poland has
 overtaken the Netherlands for the #10 spot.

 Same number of countries listed as before.  I think we have them all,
 except North Korea, so barring political changes that count will stay
 at 237.

 Regards,

 -Rob

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 Rob,
>>>
>>>Thanks for the interesting data. I did notice that country 179 is
>>> "Ã…land
>>> Islands".  Any idea what the is supposed to be?
>>
>> I think it is the Åland Islands, an autonomous region of Finland:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85land_Islands
>>
>> But what it really means is that I have a UTF-8 encoding bug in my
>> Python script ;-)
>
> I notice that we have 3 Downloads from Antarctica. I didn't know that
> pingus have internet connection Nice that AOO is still used in the
> coldest part of earth.
>

It looks like there is a research base there with 1000 people, and
they have 20Mbit/sec internet access:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMurdo_Station#Communications

-Rob

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Re: Introduction & Query on getting started with accessibility coding work in Open Office

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Glen & Nicci Johnson
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I had a discussion recently with Steve Lee (of Open Directive), about
> my desire to get involved in software development on the accessibility
> side of notable open source projects. He suggested I maybe have a look
> at the work that's going on in Apache Open Office regarding the
> merging in of the IAccessible2 code from IBM's Lotus Symphony. I've
> been using Open Office very happily for many years, so I thought it
> sounded like a great idea.
>

Hi Glen,

I'm not directly involved in this area but I can give you some
pointers.  Steve Yin, in Beijing, is the programmer working on this.

> - Is there any Java coding involved in this? I'm asking this as Java
> is one of my main coding skills
> - Would any of you perhaps be able to point me in the right direction
> regarding this work?
> - Is there any documentation on the WIKI (or elsewhere) outlining this
> work and giving a background on the tasks that need to be done?
> - Who do I speak to about the work going on in OO regarding
> IAccessible2 and any other accessiblity work?
>

The information on the wiki is here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+IAccessible2

If this is the first time working on an open source project you might
find some useful background information on the project here:

http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/

To contribute to the development side of the project a first step is
downloading the code and getting it to build.   Most of the program is
C++, so you'll need to get a C++ Windows dev environment set up .  Our
Building Guide is the starting point for that, but expect that you'll
get stuck and need to ask questions on the list a few times before you
successfully build.  Consider it a way of meeting more people on the
project ;-)

The Building Guide is here:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO

Regards,

-Rob

> Thanks in advance
>
> Since I'm new here, I thought I'd give a brief background on myself below:
>
> Having worked as a Software Engineer in many different industries for
> over 15 years, I'm interested in getting involved in accessibility and
> assistive software development - preferably Open Source.
>
> I am passionate about developing accessibility / assistive software
> which empowers disabled people to overcome the barriers imposed by the
> difficulties and impairments they experience. In so doing, I want to
> help them lead fuller lives and have a chance to reach their full
> potential.
>
> I have a good general knowledge covering a number of disabilities -
> specific learning disabilities, and vision impairments e.g. Visual
> Stress / Irlen Syndrome
>
>
> Please let me know how and where I can contribute to the development
> of accessibility in Open Office. Thank you.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Glen Johnson
> Java Software Engineer
> LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/glenjohnsonsofteng
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Re: ERROR when build AOO

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:07 AM, 張仁瀚  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> My name is Yohey, and I come from Taiwan.I am a "freshman" in AOO.
> I use Ubuntu Linux as my environment, which version is 12.04. I follow
> the following web to build AOO:
>
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step
>
> I followed the two steps under SVN and then jumped to "Install
> requirements" to
> do the steps under it. But when I got to the step "Build", I had some
> error.
> Here is my error log:
>
> yohey@yohey-VirtualBox:~/Openoffice/aoo-trunk/main/instsetoo_native$ build
> --all
> ...
> ...
> ...(Building log)
> ...
>
> =
> Building module epm
> =
>
> Entering /home/yohey/Openoffice/aoo-trunk/main/epm
>
> dmake:  Error: -- `./
> unxlngx6.pro/misc/3ade8cfe7e59ca8e65052644fed9fca4-epm-3.7.unpack' not
> found, and can't be made
>
> 1 module(s):
> epm
> need(s) to be rebuilt
>
> Reason(s):
>
> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
> /home/yohey/Openoffice/aoo-trunk/main/epm
>
> When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build by
> running:
>
> build --all:epm
>
> yohey@yohey-VirtualBox:~/Openoffice/aoo-trunk/main/instsetoo_native$
>
> -end--
>
> I have tried it for a long time but I can't fix it up to now.
>
> Thanks you for reading my question.
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
>  Yohey.
>

Hi Yohey --

OK, I am looking at the build instruction page you used. If you are using
the Windows 7 instructions, the epm-url in the configure section was wrong
and needs to be the same url as for the Ubuntu instructions. So, I just
fixed this.

It seems that epm did not build and this is needed to do the actual build.

So, a few things that might help troubleshoot this problem:

-- if you could post more information here about  your setup (OS, etc.)
and the configuration options you used, that would help a lot

-- you may want to take a look at the general AOO Build page if you haven't
already:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO

In any case, we are here to help and welcome your development efforts. And,
of course, we very much welcome any comments you may have on the Building
Guides themselves.


-- 
-
MzK

Success is falling nine times and getting up ten."
 -- Jon Bon Jovi

epm location?

[Kay Schenk]

It seems we have two different urls in our Building Guides for epm.

The one listed on this page:
(1)
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step

and the one listed on this page:
(2) http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO

Is there a preference so we can make the epm url the same for all our
building guides.

-- 
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk

[Steve Yin]

Hi,

Thanks for paying close attention to IA2 work! I will resume the IA2
development at the beginning of September.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:41 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:

> Jamie,
>
>
> James Teh wrote
> > I've since discovered that I can only reproduce this if I run Writer
> > directly; i.e. via the icon named "OpenOffice Writer" in the Start Menu
> > or by running swriter.exe. If I run the main OpenOffice application
> > (i.e. the icon named "OpenOffice" in the Start Menu or soffice.exe),
> > everything works as it should, even after I select to open a new text
> > document. If I open a file associated with OpenOffice, everything works
> > correctly also.
> >
> > Can you reproduce this by running Writer directly?
>
> Yes I get exactly the same result with this r1484083 based ia2 branch
> build.
>
> Except for the swriter.exe launcher, all the other components launch
> without
> issue as does the Start Center.  And like you, when Writer is launched from
> the start center, it comes up cleanly.
>
> On an initial launch from the Writer shortcut, or if running the writer.exe
> directly--the swriter.exe, soffice.exe, and soffice.bin will all run--but
> the writer session hangs.  Have to manually end the writer process from
> task
> manager.  A relaunch of any OpenOffice launcher or the start center panel
> results in a recovery panel that will not complete.
>
> A reset of user profile (i.e. delete %AppData%\Openffice ) is the clean way
> to return function, as edit of the XML recovery stanzas in the OpenOffice
> registrymodifications.xcu configuration file is not worth the hassle.  The
> user profile will rebuild to default, and just reactivate the Tools -->
> Options --> Accessibility --> Support assistive technology tools.
>
> This issue with the writer.exe launcher is not a problem on the AOO 4.0.0
> release, so should resolve when Steve Y. rebases the ia2 branch.
>  Meanwhile,
> best to simply not use the writer.exe launcher in working with the ia2
> branch.
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> --
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-- 
Best Regards,

Steve Yin

Re: [IDEA] "Back to School with AOO" blog post

[Guy Waterval]

2013/8/6 sebb 

> On 6 August 2013 15:56, Donald Whytock  wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
> >
> >> On 6 August 2013 15:40, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >>
> >> > It is that time of year now:  back to school.
> >> >
> >> > I wonder if this could make a good blog post.   Of course, AOO being
> >> > free is core part of the story.  But even better would be if we had a
> >> > "top 10" list of ways in which AOO is great for school.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. Use the same software at home and at school without worrying about
> >> licensing
> >> 2. Participate in the AOO community and provide useful things for others
> >> while you learn
> >> 3. Fix broken Word documents
> >> 4. Provide choice and promote transferrable skills by using more than
> one
> >> type of tool
> >> 5. Get a qualification referenced to the European Qualifications
> Framework
> >>
> >
> > 6. Fits nicely in a small/low income community's school budget.
>
> 7. Work in multiple languages.
>
> > Don
>

8. Highly customizable. Can be adapted to different teaching situations and
levels using extensions and/or interface customization.
-- 
gw

>
>

Re: Build breaks in Curl

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

at least my 'patch' work is done.
Linux 64bit and Windows 7 build bot ran successful.

Best regards, Oliver.

On 06.08.2013 11:25, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 06.08.2013 10:26, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Oöiver,

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann schrieb:

Hi,

On 06.08.2013 09:39, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Oliver,

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann schrieb:

Hi,

it seems that my changes for the 'patch' tool causes this build
breaker.
I will have a look.

Regina: Could please run 'patch -version' and tell me which version of
'patch' is active in your environment? Thx in advance.


It is
patch 2.6.1



Thanks.
I also reproduced the build breaker in my environment having patch 2.6.1

my current solution to solve the build breaker:
- 'unix2dos main/curl/curl-7.19.7_win.patch'
- rebuild curl after removing main/curl/[platform]/



Yes, that works for me too. Building is now beyond curl.



Thx for the feedback.

I am now checking build on Linux (Ubuntu 11.10 32bit) and Windows (patch
version 2.7.1).

Best regards, Oliver.


On 06.08.2013 01:48, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi,

I try to build current trunk r1510523 and get the error:

=
Building module curl
=

Entering /cygdrive/c/AOO_2013_08_05/trunk/main/curl

patching file curl-7.19.7/configure
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
3 out of 3 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/configure.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/setup.h
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/setup.h.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/ltmain.sh
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
2 out of 2 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/ltmain.sh.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/ssh.c
Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
Apply anyway? [n]
Skipping patch.
2 out of 2 hunks ignored -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/ssh.c.rej
patching file curl-7.19.7/lib/Makefile.vc9
Hunk #1 FAILED at 46.
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file
curl-7.19.7/lib/Makefile.vc9.rej
dmake:  Error code 1, while making
'./wntmsci12/misc/build/so_patched_so_curl'

1 module(s):
 curl
need(s) to be rebuilt

My configure is
./configure \
  --with-directx-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft DirectX
SDK
(June 2010)" \
  --with-cl-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/VC" \
  --disable-build-mozilla \
  --disable-activex \
  --with-mozilla-build="/cygdrive/c/mozillabuild" \
  --enable-dbgutil \
  --with-asm-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio
9.0/VC/bin" \
  --with-jdk-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Java/jdk1.6.0_38" \
  --with-ant-home=/ant \
  --with-mspdb-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual
Studio
9.0/Common7/IDE" \
  --without-junit \

--with-dmake-url="http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2";





\
  --without-fonts \

--with-atl-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/atl71" \
  --with-atl-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/ATL/i386" \

--with-mfc-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/mfc42" \
  --with-mfc-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/Mfc/i386" \
  --with-lang="de en kid" \
  --enable-category-b \
  --with-vendor="Regina_Henschel" \
  --with-build-version="r1510523_debug_category_b"



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Re: [Build Environment] Windows - build using Java 7 (JDK 1.7) without having Visual Studio

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 01.08.2013 15:15, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

Our current documentation about building AOO on Windows [1] (legacy one
[2]) references JDK 1.6 and Visual Studio 2008 Express as needed
software tools in order to build AOO on Windows. You might know that
these are no longer officially available for Windows.
Thus, I decided to work on a Windows build environment _without_ Visual
Studio 2008 and _with_ JDK 1.7. I managed to build current trunk on a
Windows 7 64bit HomePremium system using Java 7 (JDK 1.7) and without an
installed Visual Studio instance.
The problems which I need to solve on my way to the installation set were:
(1) New version 2.7.1-1 of cygwin tool 'patch'.
Version 2.7.1-1 now takes line endings in the patch file and in the file
to be patch serious. Thus, the application of a patch fails when the
line endings are different.
Solution is to tweak the calling of the cygwin tool 'patch'.
(2) Building module accessibility.
In accessibility/bridge/source/java/ 'javah' is used to create a C
header file from a Java class. This does not work with JDK 1.7 as the
classpath does not contain the needed references to our UNO-API Java
classes.
Solution is to adjust the classpath for this 'javah' call.

There are issues 121690 [3] and 121754 [4] regarding building with Java
7 (JDK 1.7) and HSQLDB. I think these issues are the duplicates of each
other [please, can one of the people involved in these issues - e.g.
Fred, Ariel or Andrea confirm this? Thx in advance]. As far as I
understood these issues are solved. Please correct me, if I am wrong.
My build was not hit by any build problem regarding modules hsqldb and
connectivity.

The installation of my build successfully passes the so-called smoketest
- open document /main/smoketestdoc/[platform]/bin/smoketestdoc.sxw and
hit start button.

On a Windows system with JRE 6 the installation of my build does not
recognize installed JRE 6 as an Java runtime environment (Menu - Tools -
Option - Java). This is no problem from my point of view as our Windows
users should not have JRE 6 installed anymore on their systems due to
its security risks. Does somebody contradicts?


I will soon update our documentation [1] in order to enable newcomers to
build AOO under Windows.
I will also update the reference to the Windows SDK, because for
building without stlport on Windows the SP1 of the corresponding Windows
SDK is needed - see issue 122500 [5].



I have already updated our documentation regarding building AOO under 
Windows - just forgot to mentioned it here.


Feedback regarding the documentation and its application in practice is 
much appreciated - Thx in advance.



Best regards, Oliver.


[1]
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Building_on_Windows

[2]
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_Windows

[3] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121690
[4] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121754
[5] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122500


Best regards, Oliver.


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