Bug#174260: [jidanni@dman.ddts.net: Bug#174260: xbase-clients: no xmessage --help, --version]

2002-12-25 Thread Marc Wilson
>BTW, how in the world is one to tell the version of xmessage in a
>formal way on debian then?  One sees some note of it in the man page
>trailers, but that is not a formal way.

Other than just looking at the version tag, apparently?

$ xmessage
usage: xmessage [-options] [message ...]

where options include:
-file filename  file to read message from, "-" for stdin
-buttons string comma-separated list of label:exitcode
-default button button to activate if Return is pressed
-print  print the button label when selected
-center pop up at center of screen
-nearmouse  pop up near the mouse cursor
-timeout secs   exit with status 0 after "secs" seconds

XConsortium: xmessage.c,v 1.6 95/01/04 16:29:54 gildea Exp $

Seems pretty explicit to me. :)

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Bug#165416: xfree86: no warning of meta/alt/windows key behavior change

2002-10-19 Thread Marc Wilson
On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 02:58:48PM -0700, David Parker wrote:
> After reading the changelogs I figured out that I had to add the
> following to my XF86Config-4 file:
> 
> Option  "XkbOptions""altwin:meta_win"
> 
> There was no warning of this change, and for a long time I was
> unable to fix the problem.

I'm sure Branden will be considerably more caustic, but the best possible
answer would be... whyinhell hadn't you read the changelog in the first
place, where this is explicitly described?  This *is* unstable, after all.

You really gotta love the way people think nowadays... oh, no, I don't see
any reason why I should look at a changelog and find out what changed in
package "X"... I'll decide the KERNEL, which hasn't changed, must suddenly
be at fault.

Sheesh.

> I think that if this setting isn't added automatically to the user's
> config file, it should at least be documented in README.Debian and
> displayed in a dialog before the package is installed.

For every person that expects that ALT is ALT and Windows is META, there's
another person who expects that ALT is META and is going to lame about how
you've broken their copy of emacs.  Don't gratuitously add options to
configuration files.

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Bug#166497: x-window-system: should depend on x-display-manager instead of xdm

2002-10-26 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 11:32:11AM -0700, Agthorr wrote:
> Package: x-window-system
> Version: 4.1.0-16
> Severity: normal
> 
> The x-window-system should depend on x-display-manager (provided by
> xdm, gdm, kdm, and wdm) instead of on xdm.

How is this anything more than a wishlist bug?  What's going to win if
NOTHING is installed, which is when people are going to be installing
x-window-system in the first place.

Xdm is the XFree-provided display manager.  Install another if you want
another.  All the display managers can co-exist.

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Bug#166413: mga driver doesn't set gamma on second screen

2002-10-27 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 07:25:51PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 2) It is possible that this is a hardware limitation.  Multiple-output
> video cards often don't support all features on secondary "heads".

I always had the problem with my G450 and later with my G550 that X
wouldn't set the gamma the same on both heads, although it claimed that it
was according to the log.  The monitors were the same make and model, and
the difference was distinct and annoying.

OTOH, xgamma was always quite willing to set the gamma on the heads
separately, and I was also able to specify specific gamma settings for each
monitor in XF86Config-4 and have them take effect.

> [I'd appreciate feedback from Matrox users on the debian-x list so I
> know whether I'm right about 2) or not.]

Hope that helps.

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Bug#166413: mga driver doesn't set gamma on second screen

2002-10-28 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 11:14:37PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 07:07:15PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> > I always had the problem with my G450 and later with my G550 that X
> > wouldn't set the gamma the same on both heads, although it claimed that it
> > was according to the log.  The monitors were the same make and model, and
> > the difference was distinct and annoying.
> > 
> > OTOH, xgamma was always quite willing to set the gamma on the heads
> > separately, and I was also able to specify specific gamma settings for each
> > monitor in XF86Config-4 and have them take effect.
> 
> In that case I'm confused.  Has there been a regression since XFree86
> 4.1 or not?

I should clarify...

When I was still using the G450/G550, X would claim that it was setting the
gamma on the two monitors identically.  Anyone who looked at them, though,
would be able to tell that they were wildly different.

I used xgamma (at first) in $HOME/.xsession, and later manipulating
XF86Config-4 directly, to reduce the gamma on the second monitor, like so:

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "Viewsonic PF790"
HorizSync   30-97
VertRefresh 50-180
Option  "DPMS"  "Yes"
Gamma   0.8 0.8 1.15
EndSection

This was the only way I could make the two of them balance.  I always
chalked it up to just hardware differences in the respective video outputs
(ie they had different ideas of what gamma 1.0 meant) and got on with
things.

I haven't run either of my Matrox cards on XF 4.2.x... it's a nVidia world
in my box now (I wouldn't have, but they were free).

Sorry for any confusion I may have introduced.  I think I was trying to
point out that even though they weren't being set the same (and X claimed
they were), there was still individual control on both heads.

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Bug#174260: [jidanni@dman.ddts.net: Bug#174260: xbase-clients: no xmessage --help, --version]

2002-12-25 Thread Marc Wilson
>BTW, how in the world is one to tell the version of xmessage in a
>formal way on debian then?  One sees some note of it in the man page
>trailers, but that is not a formal way.

Other than just looking at the version tag, apparently?

$ xmessage
usage: xmessage [-options] [message ...]

where options include:
-file filename  file to read message from, "-" for stdin
-buttons string comma-separated list of label:exitcode
-default button button to activate if Return is pressed
-print  print the button label when selected
-center pop up at center of screen
-nearmouse  pop up near the mouse cursor
-timeout secs   exit with status 0 after "secs" seconds

XConsortium: xmessage.c,v 1.6 95/01/04 16:29:54 gildea Exp $

Seems pretty explicit to me. :)

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Re: xprt-xprintorg taking over xprt: now or later?

2004-12-06 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 11:09:31AM +1100, Drew Parsons wrote:
> I guess we can do it now.  xprt (xfree86) does not work and Fabio was
> already prepared to remove it now before sarge.

Of course, neither does xprt-xprintorg, but that's a minor quibble. :)
Does *anything* besides Mozilla care about whether or not it exists?  From
a user's perspective, I can't imagine that it's at all important to replace
the one with the other for Sarge.

Checking reverse depends... no, nothing other than Mozilla and friends deps
on it, and they don't even dep on it, they only recommend it.  So who
cares, really?  Packages that want it, will already bring it in.

> Also, I have a prerelease upstream version of Xprint (1.0alpha1), based
> on X.org 6.8.2.  Roland upstream recommends we put it into sarge, it has
> considerable improvements over the current Xprint.

Oh, you mean that this one actually works correctly?

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Re: xprt-xprintorg taking over xprt: now or later?

2004-12-07 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 11:03:25AM +0300, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:
> Tried ever to print non iso8859-1 characters from mozilla?
> It isn't impossible without xprt, but it is really hacky ...

I will *freely* admit to my North American English bias.  I will *also*
freely admit to my bias towards having a working ability to create usable
printed copies of the majority of web pages found today, which Mozilla can
usually do on its own and Xprint (either version) most certainly CAN NOT
without hackery that Joe User is not capable of and should not be expected
to be capable of.

My gods, the thing thinks it needs to know the output resolution of the
printer!  Otherwise you end up with endless stupidities like the problems
that were showing up while the Mozilla maintainer was temporarily insane
and requiring Xprint.  Search the d-u archives for endless descriptions of
Xprint producing huge print, or print that won't fill the page, among other
things.

Postscript exists for a *reason*... we don't need yet another
device-dependent and incompatible way to lay out a page.

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Re: xprt-xprintorg taking over xprt: now or later?

2004-12-28 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 07:04:26PM +0100, David Schweiger wrote:



And on top of that, it doesn't work!  How can you beat that?  I again refer
the reader to all the fun 'n games that ensued when the Mozilla maintainer
went insane recently.  You can find it all by searching the d-u archives.

Oh, and by the way... my LaserWriter 630 Pro, an over ten year old Level 2
printer that wasn't high-level when it was *new*, handles Mozilla just
fine.  And I don't use CUPS, either.

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Re: xprt-xprintorg taking over xprt: now or later?

2004-12-28 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 06:51:02PM +0100, David Schweiger wrote:
> Daniel Stone wrote:
> >Ideally, we could get rid of both, but such is life.
> 
> Why ? Xprint is one of the greatest innovations for Unix+Linux printing 
> in the last five years and becomes more and more widespread.

And name one application where it has support other than Mozilla, please.

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Re: that damn debian xlibs/openbox bug!

2004-12-31 Thread Marc Wilson
On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 04:06:44AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 12:05:29PM +0100, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Starting with version 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 of debian xlibs, openbox overlay
> > panels are broken: switching desktops of alt-tab'ing keeps the transient
> > panel focused and in the forground until ENTER is pressed.
> 
> Sounds like the same problem that afflicts sawfish.  It may be that openbox
> is buggy.

Openbox 3 did break at dfsg-5... it was the Debian keymapping buglet.

> > Is someone aware of the situation? Is there a workaround for that bug?
> > Should I re-open it in the BTS?
> 
> See if you don't feel a bug report against openbox is warranted after
> reviewing the above.

It's not present in -10.  Whichever Debian package did the reorganization
of keymaps and related behavior fixed it.  I would suggest that the user
has a local problem.

From my XF86Config-4:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "LiteON SK-6000 Keyboard"
Driver  "keyboard"
Option  "CoreKeyboard"
Option  "XkbRules"  "xfree86"
Option  "XkbModel"  "pc104"
Option  "XkbLayout" "us"
Option  "XkbOptions""altwin:meta_win"
EndSection

From my ~/.Xmodmap:

! remove the function of Caps Lock
! and turn it into Multi

remove lock = Caps_Lock
keycode 66 = Multi_key

! vim: ft=xmodmap nu tw=0 ts=8

I include the above just to show that my configuration is relatively
normal.

Oh:

rei $ /opt/openbox3/bin/openbox --version
Openbox 3.2
Copyright (c) 2004 Mikael Magnusson
Copyright (c) 2003 Ben Jansens

Patches: openbox-3.1-xinerama_no_split+edge-final
 openbox-3.x-toggle_fullscreen_action
 openbox-3.x-desktop-menu-icons
 openbox-3.2-resize-timer
 openbox-3.2-xgrabpointer
 openbox-3.2-per-app-settings
 openbox-3.2-no_snap_beneath
 openbox-3.2-window-title-numbering

This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions. See the file COPYING for details.

None of those patches are related to keyboard handling.

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Re: Xsession and login shells

2004-07-26 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 09:23:08PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Xsession does not spawn a login shell.

Why should it?  There's no shell running.  If the user is starting X from a
console prompt, then their environment is already initialized, and if
they're using a display manager, then it's the display manager's problem if
it wants to source environment variables (which is what this is really
about), not that the display manager has any business doing it either.

And yes, I've read the bug you point to.  I don't agree with it.  If the
user wants a particular set of environment variables, then their
~/.xsession should source $ENV (or the csh equivalent, which I
dis-remember).

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Bug#268890: infinite recursion when x-terminal-emulator -> uxterm

2004-08-29 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 06:14:23PM +0100, Chris Boyle wrote:
> Package: xterm
> Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6
> Severity: important
> 
> Line 5 of /usr/X11R6/bin/uxterm is:
> program=xterm
> 
> If the x-terminal-emulator alternative is pointed at uxterm, then
> launching just "xterm" runs uxterm again (since /usr/bin/xterm ->
> /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator), recursing infinitely. Better
> would be:
> program=/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm

If your system is in that state, then you put it into it yourself:

rei $ ls -l /usr/bin/xterm
ls: /usr/bin/xterm: No such file or directory

rei $ ls -l /usr/bin/X11/xterm
-rwxr-sr-x  1 root utmp 259448 2004-07-07 08:07 /usr/bin/X11/xterm*

rei $ ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root root 21 2004-07-10 21:40 
/etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator -> /usr/X11R6/bin/uxterm*

rei $ sudo update-alternatives --display x-terminal-emulator
x-terminal-emulator - status is auto.
 link currently points to /usr/X11R6/bin/uxterm
/usr/bin/Eterm - priority 10
 slave x-terminal-emulator.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/Eterm.1.gz
/usr/X11R6/bin/uxterm - priority 30
 slave x-terminal-emulator.1.gz: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/uxterm.1x.gz
/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm - priority 20
 slave x-terminal-emulator.1.gz: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/xterm.1x.gz
/usr/bin/aterm-xterm - priority 20
 slave x-terminal-emulator.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/aterm.1.gz
Current `best' version is /usr/X11R6/bin/uxterm.

rei $ grep xterm /usr/bin/X11/uxterm
# $XFree86: xc/programs/xterm/uxterm,v 1.8 2004/03/04 02:21:56 dickey Exp $
# wrapper script to setup xterm with UTF-8 locale
program=xterm
# Check environment variables that xterm does, in the same order:
#test -f ./xterm && program=./xterm
exec $program -class UXTerm -title 'uxterm' -u8 "$@"

So... where'd the /usr/bin/xterm binary come from?

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Bug#234788: Major data loss because of .xsession-errors

2004-03-01 Thread Marc Wilson
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 10:27:32AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 05:23:46PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> > Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
> > > When I tried it as root, X worked, but the /dev/null became 0600.
> > > So it seems it wants to chmod 0600 .xsession-errors.
> > 
> > That would probably be a security hole (at least a DOS: make ld.so 600
> > and the system stops working), but I cannot reproduce it with
> > xserver-xfree86 4.2.1-10.
> 
> It is the Xsession script in /etc/X11 that does this chmod.



> [question to the general public:] Do you think this chmod should just go
> away?

Considering the tendency of X applications to spew gods only know what to
stdout/stderr, and thus into .xsession-errors, this is probably still a
good idea.  I can't point to a case where there'd actually be
security-sensitive information included therein, but if there were...

Paranoia over all, I suppose.

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Bug#239651: xdm: don't invoke non existent Xreset

2004-03-25 Thread Marc Wilson
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 03:43:10AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> Package: xdm
> Version: 4.3.0-7
> Severity: normal
> 
> $ dlocate -L xdm|LC_ALL=C xargs zgrep Xreset
> /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config:DisplayManager*reset: 
> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xreset
> that file doesn't exist anymore !! so don't try to invoke it

Really.  Describe, please, the failure in your system by xdm attempting to
invoke this, especially considering the priority you assigned the bug.

> /usr/X11R6/man/man1/xdm.1x.gz:or \fIXreset\fP.
> mentioned several times in man page, but not mentioned that it is gone now
> /usr/share/man/man5/xdm.options.5.gz:.I /etc/X11/xdm/Xreset
> same

See above.
 
> /usr/share/doc/xdm/changelog.Debian.gz:  * Drop the 
> /etc/X11/xdm/{Xreset,Xsetup} conffiles.
> yes, but also please do the above cleanups

No.  The fact that Debian chooses not to ship said files has absolutely
ZERO to do with the fact that xdm supports the use of them.  You seem to
have missed THAT little bit of information.

I suppose next you'll recommend that Branden break from upstream and remove
support from the code completely.  Then those of us that actually use it
can file bugs requesting that he put it back.

Dan, you file worse bugs than *I* do.  Howinhell is this "normal" priority?
Wishlist at best, stupid at worst.

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Bug#240880: xdm: doesn't clean utmp entries

2004-03-29 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 11:19:14AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> Package: xdm
> Version: 4.3.0-7
> Severity: minor
> 
> Looks like who output isn't cleared:
> # invoke-rc.d xdm stop
> # who
> root tty1 Mar 28 11:11
> jidanni  :0   Mar 28 06:33
> # pstree jidanni
> No processes found.
> -- debconf information:
> * shared/default-x-display-manager: xdm
>   xdm/stop_running_server_with_children: false
>   xdm/daemon_name: /usr/bin/X11/xdm

Yes, oh clueless one... and of course you want to remove the possibility of
cleaning that up, witness bug #239651.  Do you ever keep track of your own
bug reports?

Here you go:

#!/bin/sh
#
# /etc/X11/xdm/Xreset
#
# This script is run as root after the X session ends.

# remove the utmp entry for the session
if grep -qs ^use-sessreg /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options && command -v sessreg > 
/dev/null 2>&1; then
  sessreg -d -l $DISPLAY -u /var/run/utmp -x /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers $USER
fi

exit 0

# vim:set ai et sts=2 sw=2 tw=0:

I'm not saying I agree with Branden's decision to unilaterally stop
shipping /etc/X11/xdm/Xreset in order to clean up the xconsole stuff, but
it's not like it's hard to do this yourself.

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Bug#240788: xserver-xfree86: font config should include font server at port 7110 (default for xfs-xtt)

2004-03-29 Thread Marc Wilson
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 10:35:46AM +0200, Zoltan Ivanfi wrote:
> 
> Package: xserver-xfree86
> Version: 4.3.0-7
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> The default Files section should not only include
> 
> FontPath"unix/:7100"# local font server
> 
> but also
> 
> FontPath"unix/:7110"# local xfs-xtt font 
> server

IHMO, no it shouldn't.  XFree is perfectly capable of rendering TrueType
fonts, either in the X server itself, or via xfs.  It certainly doesn't
need to provide support for an outmoded, out-of-date, unnecessary TrueType
server that isn't even part of XFree.

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Bug#239651: Xreset missing ?

2004-03-29 Thread Marc Wilson
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 10:50:57AM +0200, Guillaume Brocker wrote:
> Is it right that Xreset is missing ?

It's not required, if that's what you mean.  Write one, xdm will use it.

> I read that this script was responsible to clean-up session data like
> utmp/wtmp entries.

That's one of it's uses.  See #240880.

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Bug#241566: [xclock]: colored hands cannot be changed

2004-04-02 Thread Marc Wilson
On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 02:40:47AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 07:30:50PM -0800, Keith Packard wrote:
> > When I added render support to xclock, I did update the man page to note
> > that the command line arguments are ignored in render mode (which is the
> > default).
> 
> Hmm.  This is either not a bug, or xclock should just fail and snarl a
> usage message at the user if he tries to do this.

IMHO it's not a bug.  The bug is that 4.3.0-7 doesn't have the updated man
page for xclock, but it's using the updated binary. :)

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Re: x configuration process

2004-04-30 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 08:30:17PM -0700, Nick Urban wrote:
> Why does X not attempt to configure itself automatically before asking 
> the user questions?

Depends on whether discover and friends are installed or not.

> The debconf configurator asks lots of questions that many users don't 
> understand or care about. If the user does care, they can always just 
> run `XFree86 -configure' and do some manual editing.

Oh, and doing it that way subjects clueless users to LESS intimidating
questions.  Not.  Branden's configuration method is pretty moron-friendly.

> Does X it normally autoconfigure when working correctly, or is this a
> bigger problem. If it is, can we just steal knoppix autoconfigure system?

Please, no... can we have something that works, instead?

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Re: X Bitmap

2004-06-14 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 04:06:23AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 07:21:57PM +0200, Kevin Boergens wrote:
> > http://netghost.narod.ru/gff/graphics/summary/xbm.htm
> > 
> > I need support for the X BitMap format. On the page mentioned about I 
> > found a few pieces of code from X to support loading and reading xbm 
> > (Very old indeed).  I was not able to find out what Debian packages I 
> > have to install to get the needed headers to support xbm.
> 
> Given no-one uses it, I don't think there are actually any packages in
> Debian supporting it. Try stealing some of the code from that site.

X itself supports it... all the stuff in /usr/X11R6/include/X11/bitmaps/*
(for example) is owned by xlibs-data.  Unstable's perl uses it, emacs uses
it, xfig uses it, ghostscript uses it, etc.  The functions that support it
are in libX11.

You should only have to install xlibs-dev.  All the supporting functions
have man pages.

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Bug#198447: G450 Dual-Head: Second Monitor I2C Detection Happening Incorrectly

2003-06-24 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 06:02:22PM -0500, Jason Bucata wrote:
> I have two different monitors that I'm trying to use in a dual-head
> configuration, if only just to experiment with it.  The I2C monitor info
> detection isn't working on the second head.  In the logs, I see it
> detecting the first monitor twice, so that it assumes that I have two
> identical monitors.

Just as a data point, Debian's X has behaved like this for a long time.
Both my dual-head 400 and my dual-head 450 exhibited this behavior.  So
does my G550 (not currently installed anywhere or I'd verify if it still
did).

Thinking back, I believe that the reason I did not file a bug on it was
that I'd brought it up on Matrox's own forum (I was having other dual-head
issues that were hardware-related), and the moderator there told me that
it was a hardware limitation of the card in some way.  Perhaps I should
have anyway.

Anyone who's ever participated in Matrox's forum knows that usually details
are usually somewhat... lacking.

> The explicit frequency settings in the configuration file appear to be
> ignored.

I got around this by explicitly disabling I2C on both heads.  I knew
perfectly well what the specifications of my monitors were... I didn't
need X to figure it out for me. ^_^

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Bug#198447: G450 Dual-Head: Second Monitor I2C Detection Happening Incorrectly

2003-06-27 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 01:01:36AM -0500, Jason Bucata wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:51:13PM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote:
> > I got around this by explicitly disabling I2C on both heads.  I knew
> > perfectly well what the specifications of my monitors were... I didn't
> > need X to figure it out for me. ^_^
> 
> How do I go about trying that?  I pored over the docs I could find on
> xfree86.org but they didn't say anything about how to do that.

The relevant sections from my archived (and hopefully correct)
configuration file for the G550:

Section "Device"
Identifier  "MatroxG550 Primary"
VendorName  "Matrox"
Driver  "mga"
Screen  0
BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
Option  "NoDDC"
Option  "AGPMode"   "2"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "MatroxG550 Secondary"
VendorName  "Matrox"
Driver  "mga"
Screen  1
BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
Option  "NoDDC"
Option  "AGPMode"   "2"
EndSection

I think the "NoDDC" option is what you want.

Here is some discussion from the Matrox forum via Google's cache regarding
the detection problem (Ben is/was the only one of their moderators that had
a brain):

http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:W02FxzA7OjEJ:forum.matrox.com/mgaforum/Forum2/HTML/001921.html+matrox+%22noDDC%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&client=googlet

The "NoDDC" option is discussed here:

http://www.xfree86.org/4.0/RELNOTES2.html

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Bug#199838: Re : Bug#199838: xfree86: 4.2.1-9 src fails to build

2003-07-03 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:55:37PM +0200, Jean-Luc wrote:
> Thanks, but it does not works here.

Just as a data point, I built 4.2.1-9 from source here last night, with no
problem.  Even used pentium-builder and did an athlon-xp build, just to see
if I could. ^_^

Wanted to build it since the complete set of packages for i386 didn't
appear in the archive on the same night, unfortunately.

LC_COLLATE does the job here.

> On 03-07-2003 13:37, Daniel Stone wrote:
> >export LC_COLLATE=C, before you build.
> >
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Re: Xfree 4.3 Experimental. netscape needs glue-package xlib6g?

2003-08-18 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 12:30:58AM +0200, Wilfried Goesgens wrote:
> I think it's in the xlibs-package, should the package 'provide' xlib6g?

xlib6g is deprecated, no one should be depending on it.  If you MUST have
Netscape 4.77, perhaps you can use equivs to fake it out.

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Bug#198447: G450 Dual-Head: Second Monitor I2C Detection Happening Incorrectly

2003-06-25 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 06:02:22PM -0500, Jason Bucata wrote:
> I have two different monitors that I'm trying to use in a dual-head
> configuration, if only just to experiment with it.  The I2C monitor info
> detection isn't working on the second head.  In the logs, I see it
> detecting the first monitor twice, so that it assumes that I have two
> identical monitors.

Just as a data point, Debian's X has behaved like this for a long time.
Both my dual-head 400 and my dual-head 450 exhibited this behavior.  So
does my G550 (not currently installed anywhere or I'd verify if it still
did).

Thinking back, I believe that the reason I did not file a bug on it was
that I'd brought it up on Matrox's own forum (I was having other dual-head
issues that were hardware-related), and the moderator there told me that
it was a hardware limitation of the card in some way.  Perhaps I should
have anyway.

Anyone who's ever participated in Matrox's forum knows that usually details
are usually somewhat... lacking.

> The explicit frequency settings in the configuration file appear to be
> ignored.

I got around this by explicitly disabling I2C on both heads.  I knew
perfectly well what the specifications of my monitors were... I didn't
need X to figure it out for me. ^_^

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Bug#198447: G450 Dual-Head: Second Monitor I2C Detection Happening Incorrectly

2003-06-27 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 01:01:36AM -0500, Jason Bucata wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 09:51:13PM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote:
> > I got around this by explicitly disabling I2C on both heads.  I knew
> > perfectly well what the specifications of my monitors were... I didn't
> > need X to figure it out for me. ^_^
> 
> How do I go about trying that?  I pored over the docs I could find on
> xfree86.org but they didn't say anything about how to do that.

The relevant sections from my archived (and hopefully correct)
configuration file for the G550:

Section "Device"
Identifier  "MatroxG550 Primary"
VendorName  "Matrox"
Driver  "mga"
Screen  0
BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
Option  "NoDDC"
Option  "AGPMode"   "2"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "MatroxG550 Secondary"
VendorName  "Matrox"
Driver  "mga"
Screen  1
BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
Option  "NoDDC"
Option  "AGPMode"   "2"
EndSection

I think the "NoDDC" option is what you want.

Here is some discussion from the Matrox forum via Google's cache regarding
the detection problem (Ben is/was the only one of their moderators that had
a brain):

http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:W02FxzA7OjEJ:forum.matrox.com/mgaforum/Forum2/HTML/001921.html+matrox+%22noDDC%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&client=googlet

The "NoDDC" option is discussed here:

http://www.xfree86.org/4.0/RELNOTES2.html

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Bug#199838: Re : Bug#199838: xfree86: 4.2.1-9 src fails to build

2003-07-04 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:55:37PM +0200, Jean-Luc wrote:
> Thanks, but it does not works here.

Just as a data point, I built 4.2.1-9 from source here last night, with no
problem.  Even used pentium-builder and did an athlon-xp build, just to see
if I could. ^_^

Wanted to build it since the complete set of packages for i386 didn't
appear in the archive on the same night, unfortunately.

LC_COLLATE does the job here.

> On 03-07-2003 13:37, Daniel Stone wrote:
> >export LC_COLLATE=C, before you build.
> >
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Re: Xfree 4.3 Experimental. netscape needs glue-package xlib6g?

2003-08-18 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 12:30:58AM +0200, Wilfried Goesgens wrote:
> I think it's in the xlibs-package, should the package 'provide' xlib6g?

xlib6g is deprecated, no one should be depending on it.  If you MUST have
Netscape 4.77, perhaps you can use equivs to fake it out.

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Bug#131155: xterm: -fa is respected, but provided font is ignored without error message

2003-10-11 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 02:56:32PM +0200, Friedrich Delgado Friedrichs wrote:
> This also doesn't explain why the font looks so ugly. Every character
> is in the upper left region of a rectangular box, with quite a lot of
> space between the characters.

This sounds more like you don't have any monospaced font that your xft
configuration can fall back to, and it's substituting a proportional one.
Proportional fonts will sometimes work for a basic xterm, although they
usually look pretty strange, but they won't work right at all using Xft.
Usually it looks like things are double-spaced.

Xterm *asks* for a particular font, but Xft can pretty much do whatever it
wants based on the configuration file.

Debian's default /etc/X11/XftConfig will replace any request xterm makes
for '-fa fixed' with "mono", which it doesn't alias again later on so I'm
not quite sure what you'd end up with.  Probably one of the Vera fonts, if
you have those installed.

Remember too that you can't pass an XLFD via '-fa'... xterm isn't going to
like that at all.

Snerf around the 'net and find a copy of the 'Andale Mono' or
'Monotype.com' TTF fonts.  They'll look pretty good for you.

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Bug#216317: /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm: use stars to show how many chars we type at password: prompt

2003-10-17 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 05:18:09AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> Use stars to show how many chars we type at password: prompt.

Thank you, no, can the world not have this argument again?

It's a security issue.  *I* don't want someone to be able to look at a
screen and divine how many characters comprise my password.  The only
person who needs to know how long it is is *you*, and you already have that
information.

> Hmmm, login(1) doesn't.  OK, well, whatever.

For the same reason.

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Bug#215845: Seeing similar problem on x86

2003-10-20 Thread Marc Wilson
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 09:30:32AM -0700, Brian Knotts wrote:
> This is a dual-monitor setup 3200x1200, with a Matrox G450.
> Setting X11 to single-monitor makes the problem go away.
> Currently using latest available libxrender1 on this platform: 0.8.3-2

On WHICH platform?

The buildd's haven't gotten to -4 yet on i386, apparently, but packages for
it are available for several architectures.

The source package for -4, however, is available and will fix the problem
if you build it for yourself.

$ apt-get source --build libxrender1

Build-Depends: cdbs (>= 0.4.12), debhelper (>= 4.0.0), pkg-config, xlibs-dev,
render-dev

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Re: Text in wrong location with Xinerama

2003-10-29 Thread Marc Wilson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 08:44:43AM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
> I'm still having problems with Xinerama.  With some applications running
> on the primary screen when I select a menu and drag my mouse up and down
> the menu *sometimes* instead of the menu item showing selected it
> vanishes and the text shows up on my other screen.



> Anyone else experience this?

I've been using Xinerama for the last couple months (since -10 of the XFree
packages) and I've not seen this behavior yet.  I was about to jump on the
window manager as being at fault, but you say it happens with toolkits too
(Mozilla uses GTK and GTK would be responsible for its menus).

What toolkit does OpenOffice use?  I don't think I've ever thought about
that.  The -bin package has an explicit dependency on libxaw7, but what
part of it is using Athena widgets? :)

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Re: Text in wrong location with Xinerama

2003-10-29 Thread Marc Wilson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 07:51:31PM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> If this is with a Matrox card, see
> http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130 .

You know, I ran Matrox cards, both 450 and 550, in dual-head mode for ages
and never saw this.  Does it require Xinerama to tickle it?  I never made
significant use of Xinerama until recently.

If it *does* require Xinerama, that "workaround" seems a little
excessive... unless what the comment means that RENDER acceleration is only
disabled if Xinerama is also active.  :)

I'm learning that Xinerama is even more of a gross hack than I'd ever known
before.

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Bug#131155: xterm: -fa is respected, but provided font is ignored without error message

2003-10-11 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 02:56:32PM +0200, Friedrich Delgado Friedrichs wrote:
> This also doesn't explain why the font looks so ugly. Every character
> is in the upper left region of a rectangular box, with quite a lot of
> space between the characters.

This sounds more like you don't have any monospaced font that your xft
configuration can fall back to, and it's substituting a proportional one.
Proportional fonts will sometimes work for a basic xterm, although they
usually look pretty strange, but they won't work right at all using Xft.
Usually it looks like things are double-spaced.

Xterm *asks* for a particular font, but Xft can pretty much do whatever it
wants based on the configuration file.

Debian's default /etc/X11/XftConfig will replace any request xterm makes
for '-fa fixed' with "mono", which it doesn't alias again later on so I'm
not quite sure what you'd end up with.  Probably one of the Vera fonts, if
you have those installed.

Remember too that you can't pass an XLFD via '-fa'... xterm isn't going to
like that at all.

Snerf around the 'net and find a copy of the 'Andale Mono' or
'Monotype.com' TTF fonts.  They'll look pretty good for you.

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Bug#218864: xlibs-dev: won't install because of version conflict with xlibs

2003-11-03 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 09:38:24PM -0500, Brian Minton wrote:
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   xlibs-dev: Depends: xlibs (= 4.2.1-13) but 4.3.0-0ds3v1 is to be
>   installed
>   E: Broken packages

It's hardly a grave bug, when YOU are the one with unofficial packages
installed breaking things.

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Re: how to start X with NumLock on?

2003-11-20 Thread Marc Wilson
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 09:38:27AM +0100, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:
> Am I the only one who finds that NumLock being off when X starts is
> counter-intuitive?

Probably not.

> After all it is ON at the console.

If you configure it that way.  Big whoop.

> And, really, the numeric keypad on an extended keyboard (pc105) is not
> that useful when NumLock is OFF.

It's not?  The keys there stop working when NumLock isn't engaged?

> 1) would it be a good idea to make the default ON?

Not for me.

> 2) how can I make it the default in my own config?

$ apt-get install numlockx

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Bug#225685: xfree86-common: Xsession does not perform a proper login

2004-01-01 Thread Marc Wilson
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 04:53:48PM +0100, Hadmut Danisch wrote:
> when logging in through Xsession, there is no proper login 
> when having a csh type shell: The .login is never executed.

Yes, and that'd probably be due to the fact that csh isn't ever executed,
either.  Do you see a shell anywhere?

If you're depending on ~/.login to set environment variables for you, do it
somewhere else.

Better yet, don't use csh. ^_^

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Bug#230422: xfree86-common: Should include /etc/X11/Xreset{.d}

2004-01-31 Thread Marc Wilson
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 11:23:50PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> 
> Package:  xfree86-common
> Version:  4.2.1-16
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> In skolelinux, we would like to run a script when the users are
> logging out, to do general cleanup.  For this, it would be useful if
> the display managers had hooks in Xreset we could use to have our
> script executed.
> 
> Could you please add /etc/X11/Xreset and /etc/X11/Xreset.d (like the
> current /etc/X11/Xsession{.d}), and thus make it possible for the
> display managers to share one such file?
> 
> If you are interested in adding this feature, I'll provide a patch and
> send bugreports against wdm, xdm and kdm to ask them to use this file.

What patch would you be adding against xdm, exactly, since xdm already
knows how to do this quite well on its own?

Well, it doesn't do anything silly like /etc/X11/Xreset.d, but it does
support Xreset and has pretty much forever.  The fact that Debian doesn't
ship one just means that you get to create one.

See xdm(1).

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Bug#230537: xdm: warn of unused Identifiers

2004-01-31 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 01:38:39AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> Package: xdm
> Version: 4.2.1-14
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> In /var/log/XFree86.0.log there could be warnings/notices about
> Identifiers declared, but then never used in ServerLayout, e.g.:
> (II) ... Identifier "ZZ" declared, but then never used in ServerLayout
> (II) ... Identifier "ZZ" unused in ServerLayout

Why?  You can have any number of ServerLayout sections too, and tell
xinit/startx which one you want to use.  I suppose you'll want FURTHER
noise in the log detailing the ServerLayout(s) that don't get used?

I don't know about you, oh clueless one, but I keep many things defined in
my XFree configuration so that I don't have to *re-define* them when I want
to use them.  Doesn't mean I need the log nattering at me to tell me what I
already know.

Daniel is right.  Don't file bugs against X without thinking first.  Or at
least reading a man page.

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Bug#782505: libxrender1 still blocks *all* security updates on affected systems

2015-05-02 Thread Marc Wilson
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> On Apr 28, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Toomas Tamm  wrote:
> 
> As of 28-apr-2015 (11 days after the bug was claimed fixed), on systems
> where both 32- and 64-bit libxrender1 is installed, all upgrades
> remain blocked due to this bug. For example, the kernel security fix
> of 27-apr-2015 does not get installed on affected systems.
> 
>  Affected system: 
> 
> # apt-get upgrade
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree   
> Reading state information... Done
> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> libxrender1 : Breaks: libxrender1:i386 (!= 1:0.9.7-1+deb7u1) but 
> 1:0.9.7-1+deb7u1+b1 is installed
> libxrender1:i386 : Breaks: libxrender1 (!= 1:0.9.7-1+deb7u1+b1) but 
> 1:0.9.7-1+deb7u1 is installed
> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
> 
>  Unaffected system: 
> 
> # apt-get upgrade
> Reading package lists...
> Building dependency tree...
> Reading state information...
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>  linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 linux-headers-3.2.0-4-common
>  linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 linux-libc-dev
> 4 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 28.5 MB of archives.
> After this operation, 9,490 kB of additional disk space will be used.
> [snip]
> 
> IMO this deserves "grave" classification and appropriate handling
> because unrelated software is affected and security fixes do not get
> installed.
> 
> If manual intervention is needed, please provide appropriate
> instructions at bugs.debian.org.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Toomas Tamm
> Estonia
> 


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Bug#198447: xserver-xfree86: [mga] DDC queries to second monitor going to first monitor instead

2007-01-14 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 23:54 +0100, Brice Goglin wrote:

> About 4 years ago, you reported (or replied to) a bug in the Debian BTS
> regarding DDC queries not going to the 2nd monitor on a MGA board. Did
> any of you guys reproduce this problem recently? If not, I will close
> this bug in the next weeks.

Last time I checked, Matrox still had all sorts of problems with the
idea of supporting the second head on a G450/G550 correctly, including
but not limited to the DCC problem and mis-implemented maximum refresh
rates.

But that "last time" was a long time ago... while I still own the card,
I don't run X (indeed, don't run Linux) on that box any longer.  It
works just fine as a text console on OpenBSD. :)

I'm not the original submitter, but you can close it for all of me, if
necessary.

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Bug#322284: x11-common: dbus provides a session since 2004

2005-08-10 Thread Marc Wilson
Package: x11-common
Followup-For: Bug #322284

Apparently dbus has provided a session bus for X since Feb of 2004, as
detailed in:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2004/02/msg00194.html

Anyone know whether Debian's xorg is suddenly going to inherit a dbus
dependency?  It'd be a show-stopper for allowing it to install, if it
does.

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Re: update-alternatives and window-manager and display-manager

2005-08-22 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 11:55:14AM +0200, Paolo Pantaleo wrote:
> 1) I think that the display mangaer should be choosen using
> update-alternatives --confi x-display-manager
> (btw: how is it made now?)

The startup scripts for the various display managers pay attention to the
contents of the file /etc/X11/default-display-manager

> 2) I have gnome installed, but in 
> update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
> gnome it is not displayed

Gnome isn't a window manager, and has never been a window manager.

> So i think that the update-alternatives method is not fully supported.

You'd be wrong.

> I think that * update-alternatives is a good facility

It isn't, really.

> * there should be a unified method for chosing window/desktop manager or
> whatever, since it gives the users some chances to do things without much
> pain, and make easy to document and learn how things works

No, actually a user should never be messing with the alternatives system.
Further, users don't need to know and shouldn't have to know how things
work.

> So, is update-alternatives the standard method? If not which is the
> standard method?

The standard method is to actually launch the environment you want.  Gdm
provides session files for this purpose, as does KDM.  Xdm uses your
~/.xsession file.

How do you expect a user to be changing the alternatives system?  They
don't have the power to do so.

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Bug#325488: Wishlist: please add complete support for type 6 keyboard

2005-08-28 Thread Marc Wilson
Package: xlibs
Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-5
Severity: wishlist

Please include patch to provide complete Sun Type 6 keyboard support
under Xorg as detailed in f.d.o bug #2037:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2037

This has already been committed upstream.

-- Package-specific info:
Keyboard-related contents of X.Org X server log file
/var/log/Xorg.0.log:
(**) |   |-->Monitor "SyncMaster 171v"
(**) |   |-->Device "nVidia GF4 MX440 Primary"
(**) |-->Screen "Secondary" (1)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "SyncMaster 171v"
(**) |   |-->Device "nVidia GF4 MX420 Secondary"
(**) |-->Input Device "LiteON SK-6000 Keyboard"
(**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
(**) XKB: rules: "xfree86"
(**) Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
(**) XKB: model: "pc104"
(**) Option "XkbLayout" "us"
(**) XKB: layout: "us"
(**) Option "XkbOptions" "altwin:meta_win"
(**) XKB: options: "altwin:meta_win"
(==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled
(**) |-->Input Device "Microsoft WheelMouse Optical USB"
(**) FontPath set to "unix/:7100"
(==) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
(**) Option "BlankTime" "15"
--
(II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o
(II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.7174
Module class: XFree86 Video Driver
(II) LoadModule: "keyboard"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/keyboard_drv.o
(II) Module keyboard: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.4
(II) LoadModule: "mouse"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o
--
(II) Entity 0 shares no resources
(II) Entity 1 shares no resources
(II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
(II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
(II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
(II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
(II) Initializing built-in extension LBX
(II) Initializing built-in extension XC-APPGROUP
(II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
(II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
(II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
--
(II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
(II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
(II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
(II) Initializing built-in extension XEVIE
(II) Initializing extension GLX
(**) LiteON SK-6000 Keyboard: Core Keyboard
(**) Option "Protocol" "standard"
(**) LiteON SK-6000 Keyboard: Protocol: standard
(**) Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
(**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
(**) LiteON SK-6000 Keyboard: XkbRules: "xfree86"
(**) Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
(**) LiteON SK-6000 Keyboard: XkbModel: "pc104"
(**) Option "XkbLayout" "us"
(**) LiteON SK-6000 Keyboard: XkbLayout: "us"
(**) Option "XkbOptions" "altwin:meta_win"
(**) LiteON SK-6000 Keyboard: XkbOptions: "altwin:meta_win"
(**) Option "CustomKeycodes" "off"
(**) LiteON SK-6000 Keyboard: CustomKeycodes disabled
(**) Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
(**) Microsoft WheelMouse Optical USB: Device: "/dev/input/mice"
(**) Microsoft WheelMouse Optical USB: Protocol: "ImPS/2"
(**) Option "CorePointer"
(**) Microsoft WheelMouse Optical USB: Core Pointer
--
(**) Microsoft WheelMouse Optical USB: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
(**) Microsoft WheelMouse Optical USB: Buttons: 5
(**) Option "Resolution" "200"
(**) Microsoft WheelMouse Optical USB: Resolution: 200
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Microsoft WheelMouse Optical USB" 
(type: MOUSE)
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "LiteON SK-6000 Keyboard" (type: 
KEYBOARD)
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "NVIDIA Event Handler" (type: Other)
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "NVIDIA Event Handler" (type: Other)
(II) Microsoft WheelMouse Optical USB: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".pcf.Z" already registered at priority 0

X.Org X server log files on system:
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 38713 2005-08-28 07:03 /var/log/Xorg.0.log

Compiled XKB description for X server ":0.0":
xkb_keymap {
xkb_keycodes "xfree86+aliases(qwerty)" {
minimum = 8;
maximum = 255;
  = 9;
 = 10;
 = 11;
 = 12;
 = 13;
 = 14;
 = 15;
 = 16;
 = 17;
 = 18;
 = 19;
 = 20;
 = 21;
 = 22;
  = 23;
 = 24;
 = 25;
 = 26;
 = 27;
 = 28;
 = 29;
 = 30;
 = 31;
 = 32;
 = 33;
 = 34;
 = 35;
 = 36;
 = 37;
 = 38;
 = 39;
 = 40;
 = 41;
 = 42;
 = 43;
 = 44;
 = 45;
 = 46;
 = 47;
 = 48;
 = 49;
 = 50;
 = 51;
 = 52;
 = 53;
 = 54;
 = 55;
 = 56;
 = 57;
 = 58;
 = 59;
 = 60;
 = 61;
 = 62;
 = 63;
 = 64;
 = 65;
 = 66;
 = 67;
 = 68;
 = 69;
 = 70;
 = 71;
 = 72;
 = 73;
 = 74;
 = 75;
 = 76;
 = 77;
 = 78;
  =

Re: New xterm packages.

2005-09-26 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 02:08:24AM +0200, David Martínez Moreno wrote:
>   The configure line is (apart from usual XXXdir=/usr...and so on):
> 
> ./configure --enable-logging --enable-wide-chars --enable-luit 
> --enable-256-color

Are those the same options the monolithic package is compiled with?  I ask
not because I have a problem with these options (other than the logging),
but that if the behavior of xterm suddenly changes, I'll know where to
look. ^_^

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Bug#350113: Library dependencies

2006-02-05 Thread Marc Wilson
Why is libxft2 not depending on v2.1.10 of libfreetype6 if it's going to
use symbols exclusive to that version?

Some of us Sid users are holding libfreetype6 at 2.1.7-2.4 until someone
decides how to fix things with THAT package.

Of course,that begs the question of when the libfreetype6 maintainer is
going to get around to doing something about #316031 in specific, along
with other bugs caused by the unilateral move to 2.1.10, such as #315150,
#318671, and etc.  As was pointed out in #325526, libfreetype6 v2.1.10
isn't going to get to testing any time soon, so....

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Bug#350113: Library dependencies

2006-02-07 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 08:43:33PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
> The real issue is of course with freetype's shlibs file. I have an NMU
> sitting on my hard drive that would correct this problem, but it was
> rejected by the release team because freetype is apparently cracktacular. I
> haven't decided if creating a shlibs.local file for xft is the right
> solution in the end, so I defer to the release team and the freetype
> maintainer since I have no desire to wade in to those waters.

So in the meantime, the new libxft2 moves into testing, except it doesn't
work with the libfreetype6 in testing... and unstable's libfreetype6 can't
move into testing due to the multitude of bugs filed against it.

Wow... this should be fun.

And, of course, we have the new libfreetype6 maintainer, who uploads this
apparently broken version to unstable and then goes into hiding.

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Bug#347857: Setup script for XDM login screen

2006-02-26 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 01:14:12AM +0100, Björn Lindström wrote:
> Where is the right place to put stuff that you want to run when
> starting XDM now.

Still in /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup.

> but it's not working anymore with xdm-6.9.0.dfsg.1-4

Actually the XSF broke it without notice (and no changelog entry) back in
6.9.0-1.  See bug #347857.

You can fix it by adding the line back to xdm-config:

rei $ grep Xsetup /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config
DisplayManager*setup:   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xsetup

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Re: Bug#355706: xdm: Xsetup stopped working

2006-03-07 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 03:14:21PM +0100, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> sometime in January xdm stopped displaying a background picture (and
> boy, that gray grid pattern is ugly..).  It seems that support for
> /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup was dropped silently.  This contradicts the
> documentation since xdm.1 still says that background images should be
> set using Xsetup.

No, /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup is still the place.  The problem is that the XSF
dropped the line from /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config that told xdm to actually USE
it.  You can put it back yourself.

See bug #347857.

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Re: Debug XFree86 vs X.org font rendering

2006-03-13 Thread Marc Wilson
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 03:31:22PM +1100, Mark Hannon wrote:
> Found an answer ... downgraded to libfreetype6=2.1.7-2.4 and font
> rendering is much better.

Unfortunately the broken 2.1.10 libfreetype6 is now part of both Sid and
Etch, and at least libxft2 depends on symbols the broken library provides.

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RE: APT-able Debian DRI CVS packages ready for testing.

2001-03-30 Thread Marc Wilson
Ok, perhaps I'm really dense, but what's the advantage of using this over
just using Branden's X debs?  I have 3d acceleration and working DRI for
both my V3 and my G450 as it stands, without adding any further software.

And I can turn it on or off as I want (if I need 24 bit for something, for
example).

So, what's the scoop?

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 -Original Message-
From:   Zephaniah E. Hull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:56 PM
To: debian-x@lists.debian.org; debian-devel@lists.debian.org;
dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject:APT-able Debian DRI CVS packages ready for testing.

 << File: ATT00048.dat >> Yes, thats right, it is now apt-able.

Aside from not having kernel modules yet, there are no known packaging
issues.

Same warnings from the previous message apply.

The URL is http://people.debian.org/~warp/dri/.

For APT throw the following two lines into your /etc/apt/sources.list.

deb http://people.debian.org/~warp/dri/ ./
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~warp/dri/ ./

Please send me reports on if it works, possible issues, etc.

Zephaniah E. Hull.

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Re: XFree-4.1 SID

2001-10-11 Thread Marc Wilson
Please read:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2001/debian-x-200110/msg4.html

This will tell you what's wrong with the Xsession.d file in question.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 12:18:15PM +0200, Clemens Wohld wrote:
> 
> Hallo,
> 
> I have big problems to get my xserver back after the last 
> "apt-get dist-upgrade".
> 
> Somebody told me that the /etc/X11/Xsession have any bugs,
> any escape is not theredont know.
> 
> Can find nothing.
> Also google tells me nothing about this error.
> 
> My Debian "Sid-update" I made on 10.10.2001, there are KDE include.
> 
> Someone can gimmi any hints/help to run xinit normal?
> 
> 
> 
> Thx and Greetings 
> 
> Clemens Wohld
> 
> PS: I speak better german, so when your can write the mail in
> german will be happy ;)
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Re: Bug#118173: xmms: playlist fonts screwed up, shows empty squares instead of text

2001-11-04 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 08:38:49PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 04:33:08PM -0500, rj fleck wrote:
> > Package: xmms
> > Version: 1.2.5-2
> > Severity: important
> > 
> > seems to have only started happening on newer versions of the x-libraries
> > 
> > ii  xlibs 4.1.0-7X Window System client 
> > libraries
> 
> I've got xlibs 4.1.0-5 here and it's fine. WTF? :)

It's the old "fonts as boxes" thing.  You'd think all these people running
testing/unstable would learn how to read someday.

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Re: gsfonts-x11 removal problems

2002-05-08 Thread Marc Wilson
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 08:09:16PM -0500, Colin Watson wrote:
> The offender would appear to be libgnomeprint-data (and hence
> libgnomeprint15, and hence large quantities of GNOME). I'm not familiar
> with why it might be doing this, so I haven't filed a bug.

I don't claim to understand the packaging system, but does this make any
sense?

Package: libgnomeprint-data
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: libs
Installed-Size: 1516
Maintainer: Christian Marillat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Source: gnome-print
Version: 0.35-4
Replaces: libgnomeprint6, gnome-print
Depends: libgnomeprint-bin (>= 0.32-1), gs, gsfonts-x11
Recommends: gsfonts
Description: The GNOME Print architecture - data files
 This package contains fonts and locale files needed by gnome-print.

Why does it depend on gsfonts-x11, but only recommend gsfonts?  Or is that
OK, because gsfonts-x11 itself depends on gsfonts?  Or does that mean that
it doesn't need the Recommends: line at all?

Actually, it's supposed to be the other way around, isn't it?  Depend on gs
and gsfonts, recommend gsfonts-x11.  'Cept gs itself only recommends
gsfonts...

I'm soo confused. :)

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Re: xdm in 4.2.0-0pre1v1

2002-08-01 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 11:23:01AM +0200, Lars G. T. Jorgensen wrote:
> I don't know if it's just me that has messed up my configuration or a
> real problem. But after I updated to X 4.2 the installation of xdm
> looks like the default one with the XFree86 logo and logging in just
> bounces me back to the same login screen. 

Known issue... replace its configuration with the one you saved from xdm
4.1.0 (these are pre debs, you did do a backup first, of course), and it'll
act normally again.

Failing that, search the archives... the essential configuration changes
were in a message thread of less than a week ago.

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Bug#165416: xfree86: no warning of meta/alt/windows key behavior change

2002-10-19 Thread Marc Wilson
On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 02:58:48PM -0700, David Parker wrote:
> After reading the changelogs I figured out that I had to add the
> following to my XF86Config-4 file:
> 
> Option  "XkbOptions""altwin:meta_win"
> 
> There was no warning of this change, and for a long time I was
> unable to fix the problem.

I'm sure Branden will be considerably more caustic, but the best possible
answer would be... whyinhell hadn't you read the changelog in the first
place, where this is explicitly described?  This *is* unstable, after all.

You really gotta love the way people think nowadays... oh, no, I don't see
any reason why I should look at a changelog and find out what changed in
package "X"... I'll decide the KERNEL, which hasn't changed, must suddenly
be at fault.

Sheesh.

> I think that if this setting isn't added automatically to the user's
> config file, it should at least be documented in README.Debian and
> displayed in a dialog before the package is installed.

For every person that expects that ALT is ALT and Windows is META, there's
another person who expects that ALT is META and is going to lame about how
you've broken their copy of emacs.  Don't gratuitously add options to
configuration files.

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Bug#166497: x-window-system: should depend on x-display-manager instead of xdm

2002-10-27 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 11:32:11AM -0700, Agthorr wrote:
> Package: x-window-system
> Version: 4.1.0-16
> Severity: normal
> 
> The x-window-system should depend on x-display-manager (provided by
> xdm, gdm, kdm, and wdm) instead of on xdm.

How is this anything more than a wishlist bug?  What's going to win if
NOTHING is installed, which is when people are going to be installing
x-window-system in the first place.

Xdm is the XFree-provided display manager.  Install another if you want
another.  All the display managers can co-exist.

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Bug#166413: mga driver doesn't set gamma on second screen

2002-10-27 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 07:25:51PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 2) It is possible that this is a hardware limitation.  Multiple-output
> video cards often don't support all features on secondary "heads".

I always had the problem with my G450 and later with my G550 that X
wouldn't set the gamma the same on both heads, although it claimed that it
was according to the log.  The monitors were the same make and model, and
the difference was distinct and annoying.

OTOH, xgamma was always quite willing to set the gamma on the heads
separately, and I was also able to specify specific gamma settings for each
monitor in XF86Config-4 and have them take effect.

> [I'd appreciate feedback from Matrox users on the debian-x list so I
> know whether I'm right about 2) or not.]

Hope that helps.

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Bug#166413: mga driver doesn't set gamma on second screen

2002-10-28 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 11:14:37PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 07:07:15PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> > I always had the problem with my G450 and later with my G550 that X
> > wouldn't set the gamma the same on both heads, although it claimed that it
> > was according to the log.  The monitors were the same make and model, and
> > the difference was distinct and annoying.
> > 
> > OTOH, xgamma was always quite willing to set the gamma on the heads
> > separately, and I was also able to specify specific gamma settings for each
> > monitor in XF86Config-4 and have them take effect.
> 
> In that case I'm confused.  Has there been a regression since XFree86
> 4.1 or not?

I should clarify...

When I was still using the G450/G550, X would claim that it was setting the
gamma on the two monitors identically.  Anyone who looked at them, though,
would be able to tell that they were wildly different.

I used xgamma (at first) in $HOME/.xsession, and later manipulating
XF86Config-4 directly, to reduce the gamma on the second monitor, like so:

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "Viewsonic PF790"
HorizSync   30-97
VertRefresh 50-180
Option  "DPMS"  "Yes"
Gamma   0.8 0.8 1.15
EndSection

This was the only way I could make the two of them balance.  I always
chalked it up to just hardware differences in the respective video outputs
(ie they had different ideas of what gamma 1.0 meant) and got on with
things.

I haven't run either of my Matrox cards on XF 4.2.x... it's a nVidia world
in my box now (I wouldn't have, but they were free).

Sorry for any confusion I may have introduced.  I think I was trying to
point out that even though they weren't being set the same (and X claimed
they were), there was still individual control on both heads.

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Bug#362078: xserver-xorg: dpkg-reconfigure doesn't work if the xorg.conf has been customized

2006-04-12 Thread Marc Wilson
On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 01:02:45AM -0400, David Nusinow wrote:
> The dpkg-reconfigure script needs to write a new xorg.conf if the file has
> been customized. A user in #debian reported that this failed on his system,
> and it made it difficult for him to automagically adapt to the new paths
> for modular. This will provide a manual easy way out of this dilemma,
> easing future support.

As long as it writes it somewhere OTHER than on top of /etc/X11/xorg.conf,
please.  The fact that a customized configuration will not be destroyed
without a deliberate action is a good thing, whether or not that customized
configuration is "correct" by some definition, or not.

I know I'd be more than a little offended if my carefully worked-out
dual-screen-and-additional-input-devices configuration were arbitrarily
overwritten.

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Bug#362253: Neither discover1, laptop-detect, mdetect nor xresprobe are needed

2006-04-13 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 04:43:20PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Well, I do.  Depends is also used for package configuration.  If the
> package can't configure itself without those packages, Depends is
> appropriate.

The problem with discover, IMHO, is that once it gets installed, it's not
going to be just called upon as part of producing a working X
configuration.  It's going to screw things up every time the machine
reboots, since it has an init script.

Or it used to.  CD-ROMs that come and go randomly, interfaces that get
renamed for no apparent reason, etc.

OTOT, I have to admit that none of Debian's auto-detection tools save for
hotplug (and now udev) have been allowed on any box I control in a very
long time, so perhaps that's changed.  Certainly udev has the same or
similar set of problems.

If it were a dependency of a meta-package, at least you could remove it and
only lose the meta-package.  But xserver-xorg *depends* on it now, rather
than just recommending it, so you're stuck with it.

Can't this be fixed?

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Bug#363081: x11-common still depends on laptop-detect

2006-04-17 Thread Marc Wilson
Package: x11-common
Version: 7.0.12
Severity: important

The x11-common package still depends on laptop-detect, which pulls in
dmidecode, even though the other hardware detection tools have been
pushed back to recommends (see bug #362253).

I have checked the 7.0.13 currently in incoming, and it still has the
dependency.

And no, I haven't actually *installed* it, I'm waiting for the modular
dust to settle.

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Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.14.2
Locale: LANG=en_US, LC_CTYPE=en_US (charmap=ISO-8859-1)

Versions of packages x11-common depends on:
ii  debconf [debconf-2.0] 1.4.72 Debian configuration management sy
ii  debianutils   2.15.6 Miscellaneous utilities specific t
ii  lsb-base  3.1-3  Linux Standard Base 3.1 init scrip

x11-common recommends no packages.

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Re: Bug#372077: use NEWS.Debian

2006-06-29 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 09:09:31PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 04:01:38PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > One way to fix this would be to promote apt-listchanges to standard
> > priority so it's available everywhere and add a NEWS.Debian entry for
> > the issue.
> 
> I would love this personally. I feel like apt-listchanges should be
> standard, and to be honest, I'm sick of telling newbies in #debian to
> install it. That it would solve this bug is the cherry on top.

Of course, now that apt-listchanges is broken in unstable while people
argue about upstream changes to tar, maybe y'all need to find another way.
:)

Just FYI.

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Bug#391304: IMO, right-clicking in xterm should bring up the font size menu

2006-10-05 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 05:12:15PM -0400, Jason Spiro wrote:
> IMO, right-clicking in xterm should bring up the font size menu
> (currently only accessible by Control+rightclick).

And in MY opinion, not.  Gee, we offset each other, don't we?  And both our
opinions are even valid.  Fortunately, Tom Dickey's opinion actually
controls.

> The font menu would be more useful than the current feature that is bound
> to the right mouse button (extend selection).

Oh yes, because after all, you spend *so* much time changing the font size
of your xterm.  I, on the other hand, use selections all the time.

> Plus, most people currently don't know how to access the font menu.
> Once this change is made, everybody will know how.

Most people start xterm with the font they want it to use in the first
place.

If you want xterm to act that way, why don't you just configure it to?  Not
like it's hard, and you have an excellent built-in example.

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Re: Bug#399638: xterm: broken rendering in ncurses programs

2006-11-21 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 06:29:15AM -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 03:40:08AM +0100, Marc Wilson wrote:
> > "avoid repainting the screen" sounds very like what I'm seeing in mutt.
> > Layout inside the xterm window is correct, it's just that characters are...
> > missing.
> 
> Maybe - if it were that simple, I think I'd be seeing more reports.

Here's an example of what I see with mutt running inside xterm:

http://members.cox.net/msw/05.png

Moving mutt's highlight bar over the lines missing characters causes them
to be redrawn correctly.

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Bug#401726: xterm: color change on redraw

2006-12-31 Thread Marc Wilson
So, does this mean that it's a bug in xterm, or a but in mutt, or what?  I
know it's mutt that *triggers* it... when mutt launched vim in its window
to compose this message, the window flashed cyan, and I've got this cyan
border.

It didn't do that before.

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RE: APT-able Debian DRI CVS packages ready for testing.

2001-03-30 Thread Marc Wilson

Ok, perhaps I'm really dense, but what's the advantage of using this over
just using Branden's X debs?  I have 3d acceleration and working DRI for
both my V3 and my G450 as it stands, without adding any further software.

And I can turn it on or off as I want (if I need 24 bit for something, for
example).

So, what's the scoop?

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 -Original Message-
From:   Zephaniah E. Hull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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 << File: ATT00048.dat >> Yes, thats right, it is now apt-able.

Aside from not having kernel modules yet, there are no known packaging
issues.

Same warnings from the previous message apply.

The URL is http://people.debian.org/~warp/dri/.

For APT throw the following two lines into your /etc/apt/sources.list.

deb http://people.debian.org/~warp/dri/ ./
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~warp/dri/ ./

Please send me reports on if it works, possible issues, etc.

Zephaniah E. Hull.

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Re: XFree-4.1 SID

2001-10-11 Thread Marc Wilson

Please read:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2001/debian-x-200110/msg4.html

This will tell you what's wrong with the Xsession.d file in question.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 12:18:15PM +0200, Clemens Wohld wrote:
> 
> Hallo,
> 
> I have big problems to get my xserver back after the last 
> "apt-get dist-upgrade".
> 
> Somebody told me that the /etc/X11/Xsession have any bugs,
> any escape is not theredont know.
> 
> Can find nothing.
> Also google tells me nothing about this error.
> 
> My Debian "Sid-update" I made on 10.10.2001, there are KDE include.
> 
> Someone can gimmi any hints/help to run xinit normal?
> 
> 
> 
> Thx and Greetings 
> 
> Clemens Wohld
> 
> PS: I speak better german, so when your can write the mail in
> german will be happy ;)
> 
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Re: Bug#118173: xmms: playlist fonts screwed up, shows empty squares instead of text

2001-11-04 Thread Marc Wilson

On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 08:38:49PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 04:33:08PM -0500, rj fleck wrote:
> > Package: xmms
> > Version: 1.2.5-2
> > Severity: important
> > 
> > seems to have only started happening on newer versions of the x-libraries
> > 
> > ii  xlibs 4.1.0-7X Window System client libraries
> 
> I've got xlibs 4.1.0-5 here and it's fine. WTF? :)

It's the old "fonts as boxes" thing.  You'd think all these people running
testing/unstable would learn how to read someday.

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Re: Default X background.

2002-04-28 Thread Marc Wilson

On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 10:22:31PM +0100, Pedro Corte-Real wrote:
> X uses by default (and tradition I supose) that grey/white pattern for
> it's background.

Ugly, ain't it? :)

> I know I can run "xsetroot" or equivalent and change it afterwards but
> It'd rather not have to see the thing at all. 

Can you really see it for that split-second before the copy of xsetroot
called from your .xinitrc/.xsession resets it?  Certainly typing the
command yourself gets old... that's what the startup file is for. :)

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