Re: files with missing translation-check header

[Luk Claes]

Thomas Huriaux wrote:
Hi,
Hi Thomas
The following files have a missing translation-check header.
I only don't know which is the original for consultants/produktivit.wml,
both german and english were commited at the same time.
[...]
/webwml/german/consultants/produktivit.wml (1.1) or
  webwml/english/consultants/produktivit.wml (translated from german 1.1)
I prefer the English one as original, because if a consultant asks to 
update their information I want to do it (at least) in the English version.

Cheers
Luk
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Re: How can I help?

[Luk Claes]

Hi Scott
Scott Mosier wrote:
I am a high school English teacher who does some HTML work as well,
and although I cannot run Debian on my main computer, I have usually
one or two that I can. What can I do to help?
I would advise you to read http://www.debian.org/devel/website for 
information on how to start or what to do.

Cheers
Luk
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Re: Please Add Info!!!

[Luk Claes]

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Bhawesh wrote:
> Dear Webmaster,

Added to consultants backlog ;-)

> Please add our info at :
>  
> http://www.debian.org/consultants/index.sv.html#India
>  
> *Namn:* Bhawesh Jha
> *Företag:* xpertworkshop software solutions,
> *Adress:* A-4,Prakruti< Manjalpur, Vadodara, Gujarat, Indien
> *Telefon:* +91-265-3958096
> *E-post:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> *Webbadress:* http://www.xpertworkshop.com/
> Regards and best wishes,
> Bhawesh Jha,
> Web Marketing Division
> xpertworkshop software solutions,
> http://www.xpertworkshop.com

Cheers

Luk
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Re: invalid numeric character reference 149

[Luk Claes]

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Nicolas Bertolissio wrote:
> Hi,

Hi

> http://people.debian.org/~alfie/tidy/en
> shows a huge number of warnings about • entity.  Could someone
> tries to fix this? I cannot find where it comes from (looking at the
> french versions, I think it may be linked to the votebar, but I'm not
> sure of this).

Thanks for reminding me to look at them. I had very recently some
validation faults and now again, so the below would be fantastic:

Is there a way to get changes to
http://people.d.o/~alfie/{tidy,validate}/nl automatically in my INBOX?

It would also be nice if changes to the en concerning consultants would
go to my INBOX ...

Cheers

Luk
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Bug#298755: www.debian.org: Unable to find [EMAIL PROTECTED] project

[Luk Claes]

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Christian Perrier wrote:
> Quoting Frédéric Bothamy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
>>* Silas S. Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-03-09 19:02] :
>>
>>>Package: www.debian.org
>>>Version: N/A; reported 2005-03-09
>>>Severity: normal
>>>
>>>I believe there is a sub-project called [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I
>>>could not find more information about it on www.debian.org,
>>>either from the front page, the site map, or via Search.
>>
>>Hello Silas and debian-women listmembers,
>>
>>I think that the most appropriate place to add a link to the Debian
>>Women website (http://women.alioth.debian.org/) would be in
>>http://www.debian.org/devel/ under the Projects section.
>>
>>To debian-women members, do you approve the following patch to Debian
>>webwml CVS?
> 
> 
> 
> Fred, there has been recently some discussion about integrating the
> d-w site more closely in the "official" site.  IIRC, Luk Claes was
> about to either propose or do something.

Oh, I didn't know I was the bottleneck ;-)

Please, be so kind to remind me of such things :-)

I think a link under the Projects section is a first step. If we want to
integrate http://women.alioth.debian.org, the best place would be
http://w.d.o/devel/debian-women IMO.

Cheers

Luk
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Bug#298755: www.debian.org: Unable to find [EMAIL PROTECTED] project

[Luk Claes]

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Michael Banck wrote:
> On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 12:56:55PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
> 
>>I think a link under the Projects section is a first step. If we want
>>to integrate http://women.alioth.debian.org, the best place would be
>>http://w.d.o/devel/debian-women IMO.
> 
> 
> I think it would be better to have a www.debian.org/projects page where
> all the sub-projects (like doc, d-i, CDDs, ports etc.) are introduced
> with a small paragraph and a link to their page (wherever that may be).
> debian-women could be one of them.
> 
> It is pretty non-intuitive to have all those projects listed under
> devel/.

Well, you're right, but I think the website will not be restructured
before Debconf5. So if we want to integrate it in the short run, I would
propose to list d-w under devel/.

Maybe djpig can comment?

Cheers

Luk
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Re: remove consultant

[Luk Claes]

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Othmar Lehner wrote:
> Hi there,

Hi

> As I am not in the profession of a consultant any more, would you
> please be so kind an remove me from the list.

Removed in CVS. Note that it will only be visible online at the next
update (normally in a couple of hours).

Cheers

Luk
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Bug#298755: Link to women.alioth.debian.org added

[Luk Claes]

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package www.debian.org
retitle 298755 Integrating [EMAIL PROTECTED] in www.debian.org?
thanks mate

I have added a link to http://women.alioth.debian.org in devel/index.wml
under Projects.

Cheers

Luk
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Re: Wrong link

[Luk Claes]

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Gabe Menvielle wrote:
> Hi there!

Hi

> The link at the bottom of this page:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/
> 
> which reads, ?Slovenscina? is supposed to take you to the text in
> Slovenian (also known as ?Slovene?). However, the page it takes you to
> is written in Slovak. Oops! (Slovenia is from former Yugoslavia and
> Slovakia from former Checzoslovakia).

Apparently Slovak was translated as Slovenian. I have fixed this in CVS.
So after the next rebuild, this should be fixed.

Cheers

Luk
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Re: WNPP reportbug description out-of-sync

[Luk Claes]

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Hi Roberto

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#1
> 
> The current description of adding a bug against wnpp with
> reportbug states that you get four options (ITP, O, RFA, RFP).
> In fact, the fifth option, RFH, is now present in reportbug as
> well.  The page should be ammended.

The page is updated in CVS. After the next rebuild it should be fixed
online.

Cheers

Luk
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Re: Non-existent package listed on WNPP page

[Luk Claes]

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Hi Roberto

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On the WNPP Orphaned Packages page [0], the package ubit is
> listed.  However, while the associated bug [1] exists, the
> package is not found [2].  The packages page for it says the
> package can't be found in any distribution.
> 
> -Roberto
> 
> [0] http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned.html
> [1] http://bugs.debian.org/279815
> [2] http://packages.debian.org/ubit

The source package is called ubit, but the binary packages are called
libubit1 and libubit-dev. You can find source packages via
http://packages.qa.debian.org (you can also enter binary packages, it
will redirect you to the package tracking system of the source package).

Cheers

Luk
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Re: Non-existent package listed on WNPP page

[Luk Claes]

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Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> Luk Claes wrote:
> 
>>Hi Roberto
>>
>>Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
[...]
> OK.  I am not sure how the info for the wnpp pages is pulled, but
> it should check if the referenced package is source, binary, or
> both (i.e., same name) and consrtuct the appropriate link.  In fact,
> as I understand it, packages are always maintained as source packages.
> So, a binary package that is one of several produced by a particular
> source package will never be orphaned alone.  This makes me think it
> would be better always construct links on the wnpp pages of the form
> http://packages.debian.org/src:foo

I have changed the pdo link accordingly in CVS. It should be fixed after
the next rebuild.

Cheers

Luk
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Bug#309882: packages.debian.org: dsc/orig/diff/changelog/copyright links broken for non-free packages

[Luk Claes]

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Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> reopen 309882
> thanks
> 
> 
>>Please, try again, as I cannot reproduce this. I'm closing this bug.
> 
> 
> Thanks for your swift reply, but the closing is perhaps a bit too swift
> since I can still easily reproduce the problem here. Some example URLs
> that exhibit the behaviour:
> 
> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/abuse-sfx
> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/amoeba-data
> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libdevel/libcore++-dev
> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/mysql-doc
> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/t1-xfree86-nonfree
> 
> Do they also show up correctly with you?

They indeed seem to have incomplete pages and missing source package
pages. It seems to be only the case for the pages for unstable (pages
for testing and stable seem to be fine).

Cheers

Luk
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Bug#309917: please mention Skolelinux next to debian-edu on http://www.debian.org/devel/

[Luk Claes]

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Holger Levsen wrote:
> Package: www.debian.org
> severity: wishlist
> 
> debian-edu and Skolelinux _afaik_ are names which have equal rights, but 
> http://www.debian.org/devel/ only mentions the "Debian-Edu Project". This is 
> confusing and leads to less valuable search results.
> 
> I've someone says "go" I can commit the change.

I understand your concern, but I think this entry shouldn't stand out
over the others. How would your patch look like?

Cheers

Luk
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Bug#309917: please mention Skolelinux next to debian-edu on http://www.debian.org/devel/

[Luk Claes]

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Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi Luk,

Hi Holger

> On Friday 20 May 2005 16:06, Luk Claes wrote:
> 
>>I understand your concern, but I think this entry shouldn't stand out
>>over the others. How would your patch look like?
> 
> 
> s/Debian-Edu Project/Debian-Edu\/Skolelinux Project/
> 
> :-)
> 
> I don't think that this patch would cause the entry to stand out over the 
> others. Do you ? IMO it would just become a little bit longer...

go! ;-)

> And, after all (& afaik), the projects name just isn't "Debian-Edu" anymore.

The mailing list obviously is still called that way as is the wiki page...

Cheers

Luk
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Re: Lost pages - mainly czech

[Luk Claes]

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Jutta Wrage wrote:
> Hi!

Hi

> If anybody wants to dive in a bit more I have put a ful list of pages
> not build with navbar3 on my web server.
> URL: http://www.witch.debian.org/debian/diff/pages-without-navbar3-20050524

This URL is not correct, you should s/debian.org/westfalen.de/ ;-)

> Only the CD pages are valid as they do not use the same navbar. The
> others seem no to build any longer (verified for the czech pages above).

I can build Bugs/Reporting.en.html without any problem. Maybe I don't
understand the problem?

Note that sometimes translations are removed because they are too old.

Cheers

Luk
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Re: Russian FAQ

[Luk Claes]

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Alexander Paile wrote:

>
> Minor miss. All the FAQs on http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ are currently
> in Russian.

That's probably because your browser settings are wrong. Please read
http://www.debian.org/intro/cn.en.html

Cheers

Luk


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Re: verbeterd introductiebericht sarge

[Luk Claes]

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Egbert-Jan Holleman wrote:

> Beste mensen,

Hi EJ

This is an English language mailing list as all Debian lists except
debian-l10n-* and debian-user-*.

I'll take care of this. It's a bugreport about the Dutch translation of
the release announcement.

Cheers

Luk

> De tekst van het persbericht over de release van sarge vind ik niet bepaald
> om over naar huis te schrijven. De zinnen zitten vol stijlfouten en de
> indeling van de tekst is onlogisch.
>
> Ik heb de tekst onder handen genomen en geprobeerd er wat beters van te
> maken. Kijk er eens naar zou ik zeggen, wellicht zou je de huidige tekst
> kunnen vervangen met deze.
>
> Overigens waardeer ik het zeer _dat_ er ook een nederlands persbericht
> gemaakt is.

Graag gedaan ;-)

> Mvg,
> EJ
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Re: Translation inconsistency on http://www.debian.org/distrib/cd

[Luk Claes]

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Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> Hi,

Hi

> The Dutch version misses a  before option 3.

Well, apparantly it wasn't only a missing , but it is fixed in CVS now.

Cheers

Luk
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Re: Sarge DVD ISO

[Luk Claes]

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Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 01:28:50PM +0200, Hansgeorg Schwibbe wrote:
> 
>>the Sarge ISO images on 
>>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/ are just 373 
>>MB and 127 MB, and the MD5 sums of the images do not match too.
> 
> 
> I see 4,4GB and 4,1GB there.

See the FAQ [1]: your version of wget doesn't have large file support,
either upgrade your wget or use curl.

Cheers

Luk

http://www.nl.debian.org/CD/faq/#wget-dvd
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Re: Debian WWW CVS commit by luk: webwml/english consultants/consultant.data tem ...

[Luk Claes]

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Peter Karlsson wrote:
| Debian WWW CVS:
|
|> CVSROOT:/cvs/webwml
|> Module name:webwml
|> Changes by:luk05/03/10 10:25:00
|>
|> Modified files:
|> english/consultants: consultant.data
|> english/template/debian: countries.wml
|
|
| When adding strings to the templates, please remember to always update
| the files under english/po, so that it can be translated into other
| languages!
Ok, I thought that it was automaticly done when updating the website.
Cheers
Luk
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Bug#276630: Fwd: Mention Debian Reference in description user lists?

[Luk Claes]

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Package: www.debian.org
Severity: wishlist

What do you think of mentioning the Debian Reference in the description
of some user mailinglists? Maybe we can add a link to the version online?

Cheers

Luk
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Mentioning proposed-updates on the main website

[Luk Claes]

Hi

As you may (or may not) know proposed-updates is used as a basis for the 
next point release. As such it would be good that people would use it 
more so we find most bugs *before* a point release. To make this happen 
I want to mention proposed-updates more visibly on the main website. 
Does anyone have good ideas how and where on the website I should 
mention proposed-updates (and oldstable-proposed-updates and maybe the 
process involved)?


Cheers

Luk


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Re: Mentioning proposed-updates on the main website

[Luk Claes]

Kobayashi Noritada wrote:

Hi,

From: Josip Rodin
Subject: Re: Mentioning proposed-updates on the main website
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:57:13 +0200


On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 08:13:19PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
As you may (or may not) know proposed-updates is used as a basis for the 
next point release. As such it would be good that people would use it 
more so we find most bugs *before* a point release. To make this happen 
I want to mention proposed-updates more visibly on the main website. 
Does anyone have good ideas how and where on the website I should 
mention proposed-updates (and oldstable-proposed-updates and maybe the 
process involved)?

/releases/stable/errata actually includes some information about
that, but I'm not sure where else. Maybe we need a new page called
/releases/proposed-updates that explains the concept better, and
then link that one from other places?


FYI http://www.debian.org/security/faq#proposed-updates currently
explains that.  Also,


It only explains it very briefly and only to illustrate the connection 
with the security archive...



http://ftp-master.debian.org/proposed-updates.html shows the status.

I worry about the status of the proposed updates.  Those packages are
not always released; only packages accepted by the Stable Release
Manager are released and other packages will be dropped.  So, IMHO
those packages should not be recommended, unlike security updates.
Enough explanation will be required.


Wrong. The status shows what's in the p-u-new queue. All that is 
accepted is in proposed-updates and gets released in the next point 
release...


One more reason to have proper documentation...

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Re: Debian consultants

[Luk Claes]

Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote:
> On 14-10-2007 17:44, Thomas Huriaux wrote:
>> Hi,
> 
>> Jan Prunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (04/10/2007):
>>> I am wondering if anyone is still updating the page for Debian consultants ?
>>> The last update was made in August, and I don't know if the new
>>> submissions for consultants were properly received ?
>> No, it's no longer updated. I no longer have the time and motivation to
>> process the requests, and it seems to be the same for everybody else in
>> the team.
> 
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated (and is really needed).
> 
>   How much we are talking about?  Dozens of entries per day/
> week/month?  Is it just adding web pages? There are other tasks?
> Can we post a message recruiting people and training them?

It depends on how actively they are processed: from a couple per month
to a couple per day.

It's just adding, changing or removing entries and their respective
'more info' page.

Before adding the info is checked to be following the DMUP, being a real
*Debian* consultant, being consistent and a minimum of contact info
should be available.

Before changing an entry, it's checked that the info is consistent (with
other info for instance from the website) and being asked by the
consultant themself or by someone who can know the consultant's situation.

Removing an entry is done when the minimum contact info is not available
anymore or when the consultant asks to be removed.

All interaction for requests is handled by [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Mentioning proposed-updates on the main website

[Luk Claes]

Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 09:57:13PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 08:13:19PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
>>> As you may (or may not) know proposed-updates is used as a basis for the 
>>> next point release. As such it would be good that people would use it 
>>> more so we find most bugs *before* a point release. To make this happen 
>>> I want to mention proposed-updates more visibly on the main website. 
>>> Does anyone have good ideas how and where on the website I should 
>>> mention proposed-updates (and oldstable-proposed-updates and maybe the 
>>> process involved)?
>> /releases/stable/errata actually includes some information about
>> that, but I'm not sure where else. Maybe we need a new page called
>> /releases/proposed-updates that explains the concept better, and
>> then link that one from other places?
> 
> I just committed that new page to CVS, please feel free to... embrace
> and extend :)

And correct apparantly :-(

Uploading will only work when targeting 'stable', 'stable-security' or
'proposed-updates' for proposed-updates and targeting 'oldstable',
'oldstable-security' or 'oldstable-proposed-updates'. Mentioning
etch-proposed-updates, stable-proposed-updates or similar as a target
won't work...

After the upload the packages reach a NEW queue like system and when
members of the Stable Release Team have accepted packages to migrate to
proposed-updates these packages will very likely be included in the next
point release...

It only demonstrates why finally documenting this can be very helpfull :-)

I'll also add a part about uploading best practices...

Thank you very much for starting the page!

Cheers

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Re: Mentioning proposed-updates on the main website

[Luk Claes]

Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 12:12:32AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
>>> I just committed that new page to CVS, please feel free to... embrace
>>> and extend :)
>> [...]
>> It only demonstrates why finally documenting this can be very helpfull :-)
>>
>> Thank you very much for starting the page!
> 
> Um, you are aware that all I did was copy&paste one standard header line
> and a bit of HTML-formatted content into a file with the extension .wml,
> and then cvs add && cvs commit that? :)

So where is the wrong content you copied from, what's the URL?

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Re: Mentioning proposed-updates on the main website

[Luk Claes]

Josip Rodin wrote:

On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 07:50:43AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:

I just committed that new page to CVS, please feel free to... embrace
and extend :)

[...]
It only demonstrates why finally documenting this can be very helpfull :-)

Thank you very much for starting the page!

Um, you are aware that all I did was copy&paste one standard header line
and a bit of HTML-formatted content into a file with the extension .wml,
and then cvs add && cvs commit that? :)

So where is the wrong content you copied from, what's the URL?


I interpolated that from security/faq and releases/etch/errata


Ok, though there are no errors in these, but I understand how the 
misinterpretation could happen :-)


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Re: GPG Request - Add place date selector

[Luk Claes]

Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote:
> On 01-11-2007 07:54, Clifford W. Hansen wrote:
>> Greetings,
> 
> Hi Clifford,
> 
> 
>> When adding a place to my GPG info, I only have the option of choosing this 
>> year or last year, and I think this needs to be extended to at least two 
>> years in the future.

It's extended to forever which you can easily change whenever it changes...

The option of this year is for something that doesn't last long like a
conference, it's not meant to be a calendar application...

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Bug#457995: new update/revision announcement pages confusing about aptitude/apt

[Luk Claes]

Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> Le December 27, 2007 03:12:22 pm Jose Luis Rivas Contreras, vous avez écrit :
>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>> Package: www.debian.org
>>> Severity: minor
>>>
>>> As its predecessor, http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20071227 contains
>>>
>>> Upgrading to this revision online is usually done by pointing the
>>> aptitude (or apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual page) to
>>> one of Debian's many FTP or HTTP mirrors.
>>>
>>> This can confuse readers about what apt and aptitude are, suggesting that
>>> one can use one or the other. This should probably read "by pointing the
>>> Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) (see the sources.list(5) manual page) to
>>> [...]".
>> You can use one or the other, depending on which one you prefer to use.
>>
> Actually, you have to use APT, since aptitude uses APT. The problem is 
> precisely that the announcement suggests that aptitude does not use APT, 
> which is already a common misconception.

No, aptitude uses libapt... For an enduser he can choose whatever
package manager to use, though we recommend aptitude (or apt).

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Bug#457995: new update/revision announcement pages confusing about aptitude/apt

[Luk Claes]

Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> Le December 27, 2007 03:26:11 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>> Le December 27, 2007 03:12:22 pm Jose Luis Rivas Contreras, vous avez 
> écrit :
>>>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>>>> Package: www.debian.org
>>>>> Severity: minor
>>>>>
>>>>> As its predecessor, http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20071227
>>>>> contains
>>>>>
>>>>> Upgrading to this revision online is usually done by pointing the
>>>>> aptitude (or apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual page) to
>>>>> one of Debian's many FTP or HTTP mirrors.
>>>>>
>>>>> This can confuse readers about what apt and aptitude are, suggesting
>>>>> that one can use one or the other. This should probably read "by
>>>>> pointing the Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) (see the sources.list(5)
>>>>> manual page) to [...]".
>>>> You can use one or the other, depending on which one you prefer to use.
>>> Actually, you have to use APT, since aptitude uses APT. The problem is
>>> precisely that the announcement suggests that aptitude does not use APT,
>>> which is already a common misconception.
>> No, aptitude uses libapt... For an enduser he can choose whatever
>> package manager to use, though we recommend aptitude (or apt).
> I guess I have not been clear enough about the problem.
> The announcement says this:
> "You can use A or B."
> B being a library used by A, users have to use B anyway, the only choice is 
> to 
> use A or not. Actually, the choice is which APT front-end to use.
> 
> It could also be changed to "pointing your favorite package manager (such as 
> aptitude and Synaptic) to [...]" though in reality, you're pointing APT to a 
> source, and you're only pointing your package manager to a source indirectly.
> 
> The current sentence is a bit like saying that you can use Debian or Linux to 
> replace Windows.

No, it's not, apt is a package manager, it's libapt that is a library.
Sorry, but you're wrong.

Cheers

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Bug#457995: new update/revision announcement pages confusing about aptitude/apt

[Luk Claes]

Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> Le December 27, 2007 03:47:40 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>> Le December 27, 2007 03:26:11 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
>>>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>>>> Le December 27, 2007 03:12:22 pm Jose Luis Rivas Contreras, vous avez
>>> écrit :
>>>>>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>>>>>> Package: www.debian.org
>>>>>>> Severity: minor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As its predecessor, http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20071227
>>>>>>> contains
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Upgrading to this revision online is usually done by pointing the
>>>>>>> aptitude (or apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual page)
>>>>>>> to one of Debian's many FTP or HTTP mirrors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This can confuse readers about what apt and aptitude are, suggesting
>>>>>>> that one can use one or the other. This should probably read "by
>>>>>>> pointing the Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) (see the sources.list(5)
>>>>>>> manual page) to [...]".
>>>>>> You can use one or the other, depending on which one you prefer to
>>>>>> use.
>>>>> Actually, you have to use APT, since aptitude uses APT. The problem is
>>>>> precisely that the announcement suggests that aptitude does not use
>>>>> APT, which is already a common misconception.
>>>> No, aptitude uses libapt... For an enduser he can choose whatever
>>>> package manager to use, though we recommend aptitude (or apt).
>>> I guess I have not been clear enough about the problem.
>>> The announcement says this:
>>> "You can use A or B."
>>> B being a library used by A, users have to use B anyway, the only choice
>>> is to use A or not. Actually, the choice is which APT front-end to use.
>>>
>>> It could also be changed to "pointing your favorite package manager (such
>>> as aptitude and Synaptic) to [...]" though in reality, you're pointing
>>> APT to a source, and you're only pointing your package manager to a
>>> source indirectly.
>>>
>>> The current sentence is a bit like saying that you can use Debian or
>>> Linux to replace Windows.
>> No, it's not, apt is a package manager, it's libapt that is a library.
> 
> Quoting English Wikipedia:
>> APT is a C++ library of functions (known as libapt) which are used by
>> front-end programs for dealing with packages [...]
> 
> As you can see, APT can be considered as libapt. apt can also be considered 
> as 
> the apt package, but it still contains libapt, so apt either is or contains 
> libapt. Therefore, suggesting that one can use aptitude without using apt is 
> misleading.

Last time: For *end users* apt is a package manager. We recommend to use
aptitude or apt as package manager to upgrade...

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Re: Debian>>Packages>>etch>>Base Section

[Luk Claes]

Paul wrote:
> There is only 1 file in this section (zd1211-firmware(2.16.0-0.1)[non-free].

That's an error it should not contain any file...

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Re: Processed: reassign

[Luk Claes]

Debian Bug Tracking System wrote:
> Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
>> reassign 461968 www.debian.org
> Bug#461968: security.debian.org: http://www.debian.org/security/ is no longer 
> being updated
> Bug reassigned from package `security.debian.org' to `www.debian.org'.
> 
>> retitle 461968 Web security advisories should be maintained by the Web Team
> Bug#461968: security.debian.org: http://www.debian.org/security/ is no longer 
> being updated
> Changed Bug title to `Web security advisories should be maintained by the Web 
> Team' from `security.debian.org: http://www.debian.org/security/ is no longer 
> being updated'.

Shouldn't this go automatically instead of manually by someone with
webwml access?

Cheers

Luk


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Re: Old information at http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/errata

[Luk Claes]

Jens Seidel wrote:
> Hi ftpmasters,
> 
> Can you tell us where the woody-proposed-updates can be found? Did you
> forgot to create these?

Do you realise that woody is not supported anymore for some years and
that woody-proposed-updates probably never existed? Maybe there was
already a stable-proposed-updates though...

Cheers

Luk

> For your reference:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 11:38:51AM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
>> Am Mittwoch, den 06.02.2008, 14:15 +0100 schrieb Jens Seidel:
>>> Ralph probably forgot a "apt-get update" but nevertheless the following
>>> APT source does no longer exist:
>>>
>>> deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US proposed-updates/non-US main 
>>> contrib non-free
>>>
>>> Does anyone know a mirror for Woody and other (older?) systems?
>>  As archive.debian.org lives in US TTBOMK it doesn't carry the non-US
>> part, and I'm not aware of any archive-non-US host ...
>>
>> But this exists:
>> #v+
>> deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody-proposed-updates/non-US 
>> main contrib non-free
>> #v-
>>
>>  I guess non-us.d.o itself is the archive for the non-us parts anyway.
>>
>>> Also the usage of
>>> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian proposed-updates main contrib non-free
>>> in hour site is bad as it refers now probably to Etch whereas it referred
>>> in the past to Woody. We should use code names instead.
>>  Indeed - unfortunately I don't see any woody-proposed-updates on
>> archive.debian.org? Were there none when woody got moved to the archive?
>> I would guess even then it would be a good idea to have (empty) files
>> there -- on the other hand people have to edit their sources.list anyway
>> to use the archive.
>>
>>> Where are currently proposed updates for Woody?
>>  There are none.
>>
>>> http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ lists sarge-proposed-updates/,
>>> etch-proposed-updates/, lenny-proposed-updates/, oldstable-proposed-updates/
>>> but no woody-proposed-updates/ or oldoldstable-proposed-updates/ :-)
>>  Because woody got removed from the mirrors and moved to the archive.
>>
>>> Even http://archive.debian.org/dists/ misses woody-proposed-updates/ but
>>> provides {hamm,potato,slink}-proposed-updates.
>>  See above about my guessings along that lines.
>>
 Would it make sense to update some links to old releases to point to
 http://archive.debian.org/? Probably not ...
>>> Oops, Ralph convinced me that it is important to update even old release
>>> pages as Woody may still be used in production (even I have still such a
>>> old system).
>>  And it had been done in the past, see e.g. potato pages.
>>
>>> I will try to update the pages but need at least woody-proposed-updates ...
>>  You don't "need" them. If it was empty it gains nothing to list it, but
>> if it wasn't (which I have no idea about - propably the people doing the
>> move to the archive know?) it should get fixed.
>>
>>  So long,
>> Rhonda
> 
> 
> 


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Bug#468765: security support termination announcements are "too proud"

[Luk Claes]

Filipus Klutiero wrote:
> Le March 1, 2008 04:03:28 am Frank Lichtenheld, vous avez écrit :
>> On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 03:47:27AM -0500, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
>>> Since Red Hat releases at least each 3 years, that means Red Hat commits
>>> to supporting its "oldstables" for at least 4 years, which is much more
>>> than 1 year.
>>>
>>> IMO, more than 4 years is too much. But comparing to that, it's hard to
>>> be proud of under 1 year. IMO it's OK, but not more.
>> Comparing a commercial distro with expensive support contracts and a
>> community distro doesn't make sense at all...
> Perhaps, but then what about openSUSE (about 1.5 years), Ubuntu (1 year), 
> Ubuntu LTS (4.5 years) and CentOS (more than 4 years)? I can't compare with 
> Gentoo, and then we get to Slackware (which I don't know about). So in 
> general, Debian is worst than others.
>> Either way, I don't think that debian-www is the right place to discuss
>> this. I would suggest debian-project or debian-publicity.
> 
> I'm convinced that there's no reason to be proud, so I see no need to discuss 
> it, unless you're confident that Debian should be proud. It can be removed 
> anyway on the grounds that our users don't need to know whether the project 
> is proud.

Can you please stop the fud, Debian releases have security support till
one year *after the next release*, which is at least 2.5 years and not
just 1 as you seem to imply...

Cheers

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Re: DPL vote update 1.0

[Luk Claes]

Neil McGovern wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Neil

> Can someone apply the attached patch to the webwml source please?
> There may be a couple of others to follow until Manoj returns :)

Added.

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Bug#468765: Is oldstable security support duration something to be proud of?

[Luk Claes]

Filipus Klutiero wrote:
> Hi,
> I reported #468765 about a questionable statement on www.debian.org. Frank 
> Lichtenheld wants this to be discussed.
> 
> This statement is in a security announcement. Martin Schulze confirmed that 
> he 
> wrote the statement. Does the security team think that oldstable security 
> support duration is something to be proud of?
> 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=468765

Why would anyone question if a security support of at *least* 2,5 years
by volunteers not be something to be proud of?

If people think the duration of the security support is more important
than the quality of the support, then that question could indeed be
considered...

Cheers

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Re: error at https://nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php

[Luk Claes]

MJ Ray wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> https://nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php --
>> Bern,
>> Biel: Mario Iseli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> is listed under US - United States.
> 
> Thanks for pointing that out.  Myself, I'm not sure how that page is
> generated, so I'll send a copy of this reply to the team responsible.

The team responsible is [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...

It's fixed now.

Cheers

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Re: Bug#489298: Old "testing_probs" pages missing

[Luk Claes]

Frank Lichtenheld wrote:
> Package: ftp.debian.org
> 
> Hi, the following links (as given on
> http://www.debian.org/devel/testing) are dead:
> http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/testing_probs.html
> http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/unstable_probs.html
> http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/stable_probs.html
> http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/unstable_outdate.txt
> 
> Should we remove these links or will they be available again in the
> future?

You should remove these links, they might become available again, but
probably won't. qa.debian.org/debcheck.php should have comparable data
btw...

Closing this bug.

Cheers

Luk

> - Forwarded message from Kalle Söderman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
> 
> From: Kalle Söderman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-www@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Broken links on the "Testing" page
> 
> Hi,
> I noticed that the list of links under "Additional Information" on the
> http://www.debian.org/devel/testing page are broken.
> 
> The server returns Not Found and the files related to problems with the three
> distributions are not on http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/ as the
> links suggest.
> 
> regards
> Kalle
> 
> - End forwarded message -
> 
> Gruesse,


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Re: Bugs/index

[Luk Claes]

Nicolas Bertolissio wrote:

Le vendredi 15 août 2008, Don Armstrong écrivit :

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Nicolas Bertolissio wrote:

Le jeudi 14 août 2008, Don Armstrong écrivit :

The select bugs fields are the search fields. It's probably
suboptimal as far as documenting goes, so suggestions for
improvements are solicited.

But there is only one "select bugs", so I still don't understand what is
ORed or ANded.

If you add one, and press return, there is suddenly more than one.


I've tested it, that's a very nice fonction! Maybe some more explanation
on the way it works is needed.


Like Don explained in his talk/BOF about the BTS, this certainly need 
better documentation. Feel free to work on that as it would benefit a 
lot of people! :-)


Cheers

Luk


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Re: Please install dblatex and xmlroff on www.debian.org

[Luk Claes]

W. Martin Borgert wrote:
> Hi maintainers of www.debian.org,
> 
> please install dblatex 0.2.9-3~bpo40+1 and xmlroff
> 0.6.0-1.1~bpo40+1 from backports.org. We need those versions for
> the lenny release notes. Other documentation will - maybe -
> benefit as well. Thanks in advance!

xmlroff is still building AFAIK, buildd maintainer in Cc.

Cheers

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Re: CfH: Some issues regarding the lenny release notes

[Luk Claes]

W. Martin Borgert wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I like to ask for opinions/help/contribution regarding the lenny
> release notes:
> 
> 0. credits
> 1. too many bug reports open, missing tests, deadlines
> 2. hyphenation with dblatex
> 3. size of PDFs with xmlroff on etch
> 4. compilation time with dblatex on etch

> 1. Too many bug reports open, missing tests, deadlines

That's the reason why I got the last sentence(s) added to the latest
release update. Unfortunately I'm busy with other stuff...

> 3. Size of PDFs with xmlroff on etch
> 
>When you build the lenny release notes on etch, even with
>the xmlroff backport from lenny, I got Huge PDFs for some
>languages. I assume, that we need a backport of libcairo2 to
>get reasonable sized PDFs or just build on a lenny machine.
>The PDF for ml is 69× bigger when build on etch, zh_CN still
>6.7× bigger! We need to fix this or change the Makefile:
> 
>-DISABLED_PDF=
>+DISABLED_PDF=cs ja ml pl ro ru vi zh_CN zh_TW
> 
>Anybody up for libcairo2 backport to etch?

I uploaded a backport yesterday after coordination with the maintainers,
please check out if it's ok and we can ask to install it on www-master.

> 4. Compilation time with dblatex on etch
> 
>When you build the lenny release notes on etch, even with
>the dblatex backport from lenny, I experienced that it
>compiles 6.5× times slower than the same version on lenny.
>Is it my broken etch setup? Is it the older Python? Another
>reason to build on lenny, if it were possible...

I asked DSA and unfortunately it won't be possible to upgrade www-master
before the release. So either things work out with backports or we have
to figure out some other solution.

Cheers

Luk


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Re: release notes building time ...

[Luk Claes]

Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
>>  I've noticed the same thing several times, and it hangs in that state
>> for quite a bit. The question is: Why does it (need to) query external
>> websites?
> 
> It's probably downloading DTD. xsltproc has this option:
>--nonet
>Do not use the Internet to fetch DTDs, entities or documents.
> 
> Having DTD installed locally and the proper header should also avoid the need
> for the network IIRC.

Please request debian-ad...@l.d.o the right package to be installed, TIA.

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Re: Uncoordinated change in lenny D-I page

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Frans Pop wrote:
> I just noticed the following change in the website:
> 
> ! Revision 1.10 - (view) (download) (as text) (annotate) - [select for diffs] 
> !  Sun Feb 15 11:40:13 2009 UTC (4 hours, 24 minutes ago) by spaillar 
> ! Switch the place of CD/DVD ISO and bittorrent, so that bittorrent is first 
> in the list
> 
> 
> Is there any reason why this change was not first discussed with the
> D-I and debian-cd teams?

Because it's due to a mirror issue and is only cosmetical, no?

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Re: Uncoordinated change in lenny D-I page

[Luk Claes]

Frans Pop wrote:
> Luk Claes wrote:
>> Frans Pop wrote:
>>> Is there any reason why this change was not first discussed with the
>>> D-I and debian-cd teams?
>> Because it's due to a mirror issue
> 
> How does that mean that the change should not be discussed with the teams 
> who've created and do most of the maintenance of the page?
> 
>> and is only cosmetical, no? 
> 
> No. If it's only cosmetic there's no reason to change it at all.

Only cosmetical to the D-I and debian-cd teams, not to the mirror team
of course.

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Bug#516168: /volatile/index.wml to be updated with Lenny

[Luk Claes]

Simon Paillard wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:15:16PM +0800, Anthony Wong wrote:
>> tags 516168 patch
>> thanks
>>
>> Attached a patch against /webwml/english/volatile/index.wml , I don't
>> have the www cvs tree right now so I can't test the correctness.
> 
> "#use wml::debian::release_info" includes the following variables : 
> current_release_name
> current_testing_name
> current_oldstable_name
> 
> The attached diff against the proposed diff use this method, so that
> it's no longer necessary to update the page at each new major release
> 
> If volatile team is happy with that, that will be committed to the CVS
> (using smartchanges.pl if possible to avoid useless much work for
> translators).

Yes, we're happy with that, please commit this change, TIA.

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Re: South African Debian mirror

[Luk Claes]

Christof Rademeyer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am unsure id I'm sending this to the correct person, but here goes:

I guess you need the mirror admins (in Cc).

> The South African Debian mirror (http://www.za.debian.org) does not
> seem to be hosted within South Africa! We are VERY limited with the
> amount of data we can receive/transmit internationally, so I feel
> (very strongly) that a "South African" mirror should be located within
> South Africa.

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Re: Mistake on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/errata.en.html

[Luk Claes]

Matt Kraai wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:10:04PM +0100, Holger Mickler wrote:
>> there is a mistake on the above mentioned html page (at least for the 
>> english and german ones).
>>
>> Under "Point releases" it reads:
>>
>> ---
>> If you use APT to update your packages, you can install the proposed 
>> updates by adding the following line to /etc/apt/sources.list:
>>
>>   # proposed additions for a 5.0 point release
>>   deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian proposed-updates main contrib non-free
>> ---
>>
>> The entry for the debian archive is wrong, it has to be
>>
>> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny-proposed-updates main contrib 
>> non-free
>>
>> (lenny- was missing)
> 
> Thanks for reporting this.  I've changed the source code and the
> website should be updated within a few hours.

Note that nothing was wrong. lenny-proposed-updates is (currently) a
symlink to proposed-updates. Changing it this way means we have to
update it every release which was not needed before...

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Re: contributors.debian.org (aka a home for contributors)?

[Luk Claes]

Frank Lin PIAT wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Currently, the wiki has a lot of wiki-user homepages. There are two
> issues related to those wiki pages:
> 
> 1. Wiki pages and homepages share the main namespace which cause false
>positive in search results... (yes some user choose some ambiguous
>names like root, Aim, DebianLiveUser, Mac, netbug)

Could be solved by communicating a clear namespace policy IMHO.

> 2. Putting personal data under an open source license sounds weird.
>Allowing to modify and redistribute those data is... not something
>we want. (We discovered this issue as we were preparing the
>re-licensing of the wiki).

The license is one thing, there is still copyright: mention origin, no
misrepresentation, etc. So having an open source license for personal
data might not be a good idea, though it's not a call for abuse of the data.

> The initial plan was to simply move those pages to wiki.d.org/User/ and
> leave those pages copyrighted to their owners. However there is an
> alternative:
> 
> What about moving those homepages to something like:
>http://contibutors.debian.org  ??

Any reason why it could not go to debian-community.org if it's not
welcome on wiki.debian.org?

> Pros:
> * Every Debian contributor would have an (easy) to edit a homepage.
>   (Raphael Hertzog mentioned that DM/NM might experiment using wiki
>   homepage so applicant list their contributions)

This would certainly be ok on debian-community.org IMHO

> * It is possible to write a macro to generate a Portfolio[1]

Only needs someone to do it :-)

> * The wiki could be used as a "weak" openid provider for other services.
>   (esp. for users that don't have alioth account yet).

Could be considered.

> Cons:
> * What about debian-community.org? Do we integrate some of the services
>   together, etc..

I think it should be merged together.

Personally I don't mind if that would mean renaming debian-community.org
or just integrating these ideas over there.

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Re: english/News/2009/20090408.wml (oldstable update news)

[Luk Claes]

Hideki Yamane wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  I saw oldstable update release news, but it seems to need some 
>  corrections for that. I made a patch, please review to apply it.

Made another s/stable/oldstable/ and did not remove the part about
oldstable-proposed-updates.

Commited the rest together with updates of
template/debian/release_info.wml and releases/etch/errata.wml (same for
lenny)

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Re: Dealing better with CD releases

[Luk Claes]

Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> At the moment we have problems when we do releases including new
> CD/DVD images, as you'll see from mailing list complaints about broken
> links each time. Simon Paillard and I had some discussion about this
> today on #debian-www and I've come up with a workflow that will
> improve things, I think (see 2c below). Please feel free to point out
> what I've missed... :-)
> 
> 1. The Problem
> 
> We generate new CDs and DVDs for each point release. These are
> published in the release area of cdimage.debian.org[1]. The image
> filenames and the top-level directory are versioned for clarity, and
> we add a "current" symlink in the debian-cd directory that points to
^^^
> the most recent version. We move old trees of images into the archive
> area[2] as each new build is published, We then prune most of the old
> ISO images so we don't waste too much space - older images can be
> recreated in the future using jigdo if necessary.

>d. Other ideas?

Can't we link to the 'current' images on the webpages?

Cheers

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Re: Dealing better with CD releases

[Luk Claes]

Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 07:14:52PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
>> Steve McIntyre wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> At the moment we have problems when we do releases including new
>>> CD/DVD images, as you'll see from mailing list complaints about broken
>>> links each time. Simon Paillard and I had some discussion about this
>>> today on #debian-www and I've come up with a workflow that will
>>> improve things, I think (see 2c below). Please feel free to point out
>>> what I've missed... :-)
>>>
>>> 1. The Problem
>>>
>>> We generate new CDs and DVDs for each point release. These are
>>> published in the release area of cdimage.debian.org[1]. The image
>>> filenames and the top-level directory are versioned for clarity, and
>>> we add a "current" symlink in the debian-cd directory that points to
>>^^^
>>> the most recent version. We move old trees of images into the archive
>>> area[2] as each new build is published, We then prune most of the old
>>> ISO images so we don't waste too much space - older images can be
>>> recreated in the future using jigdo if necessary.
>>>d. Other ideas?
>> Can't we link to the 'current' images on the webpages?
> 
> We do, but the image names themselves change from one release to the
> next too.

Well then it should probably use an existing tag (like
current_release_lenny which contains '5.0.1') that needs to be updated
for the point release anyway IMHO. Someone added 3 extra tags which is
not very maintainable IMHO.

Note that it's easy to convert 5.0.1 to 501 in eperl...

Cheers

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Re: Armenian translation

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Vardan Gevorgyan wrote:
> Hello

Hi

> Please anyone help with cvs account.
> I'm the coordinator of armenian language.
> But I haven't cvs pserver account.
> What to do for that?

Please have a look at http://people.debian.org/~joey/misc/webwml.html
which is linked to on
http://www.debian.org/devel/website/using_cvs#write-access

Cheers

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Re: Slovene translation

[Luk Claes]

Jan Prunk wrote:
> Hello !

Hi

> It looks like that nobody cares to activate slovene translation, I
> have been trying to get access to the website, for longer than 2
> months, to start with the work.
> This is really not the way to handle new maintainers...

Why didn't you send patches (translations) to the mailing list already?

Did you answer to joey in private as he asked you to do, so he could
create your account?

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Re: Unable to delete entry from database for GPG information

[Luk Claes]

Benjamin Mesing wrote:
> Hello,

Hi

> after logging in for GPG key search/offers (nm.debian.org) there is an
> overview over my profile with a
> Remove yourself from the database.
> line at the bottom. However, hitting this link (directing to
> gpguserdel.php) results in:
> Parse error: parse error, unexpected '=' in 
> /org/nm.debian.org/web/gpguserdel.php on line 123

This seems to be a temporary error, anyway I've removed you from the
database...

Please follow up to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for individual requests or
to debian-newmaint@lists.debian.org for possible issues with the php
scripts.

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Re: Commiting the French DWN 2006/28

[Luk Claes]

Frédéric Bothamy wrote:
> Hello,

Hi Fred

> I am the official translator for the French DWN and I cannot currently
> commit last week's DWN to the Debian CVS due to the recent problems
> (I use a pserver account to access the CVS repository).
> 
> Could someone with write access to the CVS please commit the attached
> file for webwml/french/News/weekly/2006/28/index.wml with the
> following log message:
> 
>   Initial translation [Frédéric Bothamy, Mohammed Adnène Trojette]
>   Proofreading [Max, Stephane Blondon, Jean-Luc Coulon]

Committed.

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Re: CVS access

[Luk Claes]

Peter Karlsson wrote:

Hi!

What is required for cvs access to the web pages nowadays? Do we
require a Debian account, or is pserver access available? I am
recruiting help with the Swedish translator, but the person who
responded to my little plea for help is not a Debian developer, so he
would need pserver access.


http://people.debian.org/~joey/misc/webwml.html

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Re: Out of date upgrade-reports page

[Luk Claes]

Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 24, 2006 at 10:48:52AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
>> * Roberto C. Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061224 02:10]:
>>> A Google search for "debian upgrade reports" (no quotes) returns a page
>>> [0] that is out of date since it is a template for a woody -> sarge
> 
> --> [0] is  http://release.debian.org/upgrade-report.html
> 
...
> That being said, attached is a patch to the current upgrade-report.html page
> to add additional information (and do not make it depend on a specific Debian
> release). I think it's worthwhile mentioning that the user's should use
> script if they want to provide accurate information (the Release Notes
> already say this, but stressing this here too might lead to more useful bug
> reports)

Patch committed.

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Re: Out of date upgrade-reports page

[Luk Claes]

Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> (resurrecting this thread...)
> 
> On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 06:33:14PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
>>>>> A Google search for "debian upgrade reports" (no quotes) returns a page
>>>>> [0] that is out of date since it is a template for a woody -> sarge
>>> --> [0] is  http://release.debian.org/upgrade-report.html
>>>
>> ...
>>> That being said, attached is a patch to the current upgrade-report.html page
>>> to add additional information (and do not make it depend on a specific 
>>> Debian
>>> release). I think it's worthwhile mentioning that the user's should use
>>> script if they want to provide accurate information (the Release Notes
>>> already say this, but stressing this here too might lead to more useful bug
>>> reports)
>> Patch committed.
> 
> The page still contains at least two references to woody. See attached
> proposed patch.

I removed the references to woody, I'm not convinced about the other proposed
changes, so didn't apply them.

> Is that page intended to be used as a template while etch is still
> "testing", or after the etch release when people are upgrading from
> oldstable to stable?  If the latter, then it should also be updated to
> refer to the latest stable release notes, rather than
> http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/releasenotes  (I can see how
> one might argue that we no longer need the upgrade reports after etch
> is released, but I don't know that I agree.)

It's always possible to change the template after release ;-)

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wrong version name and wrong main URL?]

[Luk Claes]

Frank Lichtenheld wrote:
> - Forwarded message from Marc Fargas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
> 
> From: Marc Fargas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-www@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Wrong version name and wrong main URL?
> X-Mailing-List:  archive/latest/27313
> 
> Hi,
> According to the Etch release notes on:
> http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#s-volatileVolatile
> is now officially supported and the same notes say that it's now "
> volatile.debian.org" and that you should update your sources.list but
> http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-volatile/index.en.html says it's "
> volatile.debian.net". Shouldn't it say volatile.debian.org? Maybe .net
> should also do a redirect to .org to make things clear ;)
> 
> Also the same page (
> http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-volatile/index.en.html) states: "as well
> as the upgrade to the next stable release (etch)." Hey! the next stable
> release is not etch!! :))

devel/debian-volatile is updated accordingly, should be visible within a
couple of hours.

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Split Debian Volatile pages in a part for developers and a part for users

[Luk Claes]

Hi

For Debian Volatile we want to split the pages in a part for developers
(devel/debian-volatile) and a part for users on another URL. We thought about
www.d.o/volatile, though we wanted first to be sure that this won't be a 
problem.

Maybe someone has a better idea or would the proposed solution be acceptable?

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Split of volatile webpages complete: please test/comment

[Luk Claes]

Hi

The split of the volatile webpages is comitted into the www.d.o repository.

Please test if everything is working correctly and don't be afraid to send
comments to the appropriate list or in private.

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Re: Split of volatile webpages complete: please test/comment

[Luk Claes]

Jens Seidel wrote:
> Hi Luk,
> 
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 04:31:39PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
>> The split of the volatile webpages is comitted into the www.d.o repository.
> 
> it was hard work to move the translations but I think I finished it (at
> least for German and partially for French and Italian). Luk, please
> always commit different patches separatly. I noticed that you moved
> files from devel/debian-volatile/ to volatile/ *and* changed the content
> at the same time! This makes moving translations much harder, because
> these need to be moved *and* synchronised at the same time ... If a
> translator misses the fact that volatile/ contains moved file the
> translator could redone the work!

That's one of the reasons the split was announced on the list, so translators
could see that they don't have to start over. Only moving the translation is
not enough as the translation headers don't match anyway, though it had indeed
been better to commit after moving them and before changing them.

> Please also note that a few scripts such as mirror-volatile.sh need to
> be installed otherwise there will be broken links. Maybe it's sufficient
> to just add a new local "install::" target ...

Right, everything that should be on the website should be installed... I have
updated the Makefile accordingly.

> You also protect email addresses in volatile/team. I think this is not
> necessary as the corresponding mailto: in the source is not rewritten.
> I suggest to use clear addresses. Aren't these already available all
> over the net?

Well that's a minor issue IMHO and should be asked to the mentioned people
before changing it anyway...

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Re: make problem

[Luk Claes]

Josip Rodin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> So I go about running check_trans.pl for Croatian... and update
> partners/index.wml, and then:
> 

> Then I tried another file, but that gave something more useful:
> 
> % make contact.hr.html   
> make: *** No rule to make target `../locale/hr/LC_MESSAGES/others.mo', needed 
> by `contact.hr.html'.  Stop.
> 
> What am I missing?

Not sure, but if you first do 'make -C ./po', I think it will work.

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Re: make problem

[Luk Claes]

Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:25:50PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
>>> What am I missing?
>> Not sure, but if you first do 'make -C ./po', I think it will work.
> 
> Oh. It would make sense if this was somehow included in the dependencies,
> surely?

It is, but I'm not sure if it works for individual files.

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Bug#440631: [Fwd: Bug#440631: /volatile/volatile-mirrors: There's no country called "Swiss"]

[Luk Claes]

Hi

Can someone please fix this in Mirrors.masterlist and close this bug 
when it's fixed?


Cheers

Luk
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Hi, I just had a look at http://www.debian.org/volatile/volatile-mirrors
and noticed that there is everywhere the TLD and the name of the
country. "Swiss" is _no_ name of a country, it's an adjective to
describe something coming from _Switzerland_. Please fix that even if
it isn't really so important. :)

Regards and thanks,

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CVS access for Dutch page similar to webwml/french/international/french

[Luk Claes]

James A. Treacy wrote:

On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 09:56:58PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:

I'm a member of the Debian-l10n-Dutch Team. I want to make a webpage in 
Dutch to explain to users how they can help in translating Debian into 
Dutch. I would start with a page similar to the French one.


I asked bas about how I could start and he pointed me to you for a CVS 
account.



I have not worked on the web pages for 1.5 years.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is a better place to ask.


So, here I am ;-)

I'm no DD yet, but I have an alioth account (luk-guest).

If you need more information, feel free to ask.

Cheers

Luk

PS: I'm not subscribed to debian-www, so please CC me in replies.

doc/todo: DDP i18n

[Luk Claes]

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Hi

While I translated the page to Dutch I found the following:

"Add a way to manage translations automatically just as the website's
WML sources are."

I thought it's already handled with a project on alioth or is something
other meant?

If it is dealt with, shouldn't it be deleted from the TODO-file?

Cheers

Luk
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Bug#251205: doc/docpolicy: rather a link to the list archives than to the list address

[Luk Claes]

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Package: www.debian.org
Severity: wishlist


This manual is quite outdated and there is an effort to fix it in
.

It would be better to have a link to the discussion ([1]?) than an
 tag.

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-doc/2002/10/msg00103.html

Cheers

Luk
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Bug#252267: Validation error consultants/index.**.html

[Luk Claes]

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Package: www.debian.org
Severity: minor
Tags: patch

According to alfie's script there is a validation error:

*** Errors validating /org/www.debian.org/www/consultants/index.en.html:
***
Line 4904, character 17:  "NEGOTIABLE" is not a member of a group specified
for any attribute
Line 4904, character 17:  element "RATE" undefined
Line 4906, character 4:  end tag for "RATE" omitted, but its declaration
does not permit this

The solution would be the following patch (missing s):

RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/consultants/consultant.data,v
retrieving revision 1.516
diff -r1.516 consultant.data
5990c5990
< 
- ---
| 

I can apply the patch if you like, but I don't know if the *.data files
are handled specially and if it would be ok that I would apply these
kind of patches.

Cheers

Luk
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Bug#253817: page depending on po/whatever.po not rebuilt if whatever.po is modified

[Luk Claes]

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| this is because a target misc.$(LANGUAGE).html is defined
| and overrides default rule; one has to add $(GETTEXTDEP)
| to its dependencies. (I cannot commit at the moment)

I'll commit that if it is OK?

Cheers

Luk
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debian mentors FAQ

[Luk Claes]

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Hi

What do you think of adding a link to your "Unoffical debian mentors
FAQ" on http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals?

Cheers

Luk
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Re: Please don't remove outdated translations if the difference is very small

[Luk Claes]

>  If I might pick this up: Can the translators of the following languages
> pretty please update their CD/http-ftp/index.wml file, it fails to build
> due to being outdated:
>
>  -) dutch

My account has to be reenabled, I'm waiting on Joey :-(

Cheers

Luk

Re: Please don't remove outdated translations if the difference is very small

[Luk Claes]

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Matt Kraai wrote:
| On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 04:17:20PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
|
|>> If I might pick this up: Can the translators of the following languages
|>>pretty please update their CD/http-ftp/index.wml file, it fails to build
|>>due to being outdated:
|>>
|>> -) dutch
|>
|>My account has to be reenabled, I'm waiting on Joey :-(
|
|
| ... or you could send a patch to the list.  Please.

Attached unified diffs from the changed pages, hope this helps.

I hope my account will be reenabled soon, though.

In the meantime I'll send the diffs to the list, OK?

Cheers

Luk
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--- CD/http-ftp/index_old.wml   2004-07-07 11:20:48.0 +0200
+++ CD/http-ftp/index.wml   2004-07-07 11:33:16.0 +0200
@@ -1,8 +1,8 @@
 #use wml::debian::cdimage title="Debian CD/DVD-images downloaden via HTTP/FTP" 
BARETITLE=true
-#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.18" maintainer="[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]"
+#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.21"
 
-# Last translation update by: $Author: bas $
-# at: $Date: 2004/02/26 16:49:51 $
+# Last translation update by: $Author: luk $
+# at: $Date: 2004/07/07 11:26:22 $
 
 
 Download CD-images alstublieft niet met uw browser op dezelfde 
manier zoals u ook andere bestanden download! De reden
@@ -65,23 +65,16 @@
 
 # 
 
-Onofficiële CD-images van de
-  "testing" en "unstable" distributies
+Officiële CD-images van de
+  "testing" distributie
 
-Op het moment maken de mensen op fsn.hu wekelijks 
-onofficiële snapshots van de "testing"-distributie
-— onze dank daarvoor! Deze images worden op verschillende plaatsen
-gemirrord. De lijst hieronder is afgeleid van de ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/MIRRORS";>\
-lijst van mirrors van fsn.hu en kan achterhaald zijn:
-
-
-
-   (hoofdsite): 
-  ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/";>FTP,
-  rsync://ftp.fsn.hu/cdimages/debian-unofficial/
-   
-
-#include "$(ENGLISHDIR)/CD/http-ftp/cdimage_fsn_mirrors.list"
-
-
+
+Er worden elke week volledige CD-images gebouwd en deze zijn  
+http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/";>beschikbaar 
via jigdo.
+
+
+
+Er zijn ook andere CD-images beschikbaar, zie de
+Debian-Installer-pagina voor
+links en documentatie.
+
--- CD/jigdo-cd/index_old.wml   2004-07-07 11:21:05.0 +0200
+++ CD/jigdo-cd/index.wml   2004-07-07 11:35:01.0 +0200
@@ -1,9 +1,9 @@
 #use wml::debian::cdimage title="Debian CD-images downloaden met jigdo" 
BARETITLE=true
 #use wml::debian::toc
-#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.40"
+#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.41"
 
 # $Author: luk $
-# $Date: 2004/05/28 09:40:15 $
+# $Date: 2004/07/07 11:33:22 $
 
 Jigsaw ("puzzel") Download, oftewel http://atterer.net/jigdo/";>jigdo,
 is bedoeld als de voornaamste manier waarop Debian CD-images in de toekomst
@@ -110,33 +110,6 @@
   
 
 
-Onofficiële images
-
-
-  Onofficiële jigdo files voor de 
-  ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sarge/jigdo/";>\
-  "testing" distributie op CD voor i386 en andere architecturen,
-  wekelijks gegenereerd
-
-  Onofficiële jigdo files voor de 
-  ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sarge-dvd/jigdo/";>\
-  "testing" distributie op DVD voor i386 en andere architecturen, 
-  wekelijks gegenereerd
-  
-  Onofficiële jigdo files voor de 
-  ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/jigdo/";>\
-  "unstable" distributie op CD voor i386 en andere architecturen, 
-  wekelijks gegenereerd
-
-  Onofficiële jigdo files voor de 
-  ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid-dvd/jigdo/";>\
-  "unstable" distributie op DVD voor i386 en andere architecturen, 
-  wekelijks gegenereerd
-  
-  DVDs zijn momenteel niet te downloaden vanuit Windows!
-
-
-
 
 
 Frequent Gestelde/Beantwoorde Vragen
--- intro/about_old.wml 2004-07-07 11:21:21.0 +0200
+++ intro/about.wml 2004-07-07 11:37:23.0 +0200
@@ -1,9 +1,9 @@
 #use wml::debian::template title="Over Debian"
-#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.56"
+#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.57"
 #include "$(ENGLISHDIR)/releases/info"
 
-# $Author: bas $
-# $Date: 2004/05/14 15:50:28 $
+# $Author: luk $
+# $Date: 2004/07/07 11:35:22 $
 
 
 WAT is Debian eigenlijk?
@@ -39,7 +39,7 @@
 een basisniveau en maakt h

Re: Typos on Dutch page about mailing lists

[Luk Claes]

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, Rob Hooft wrote:

> The Dutch page for: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ has the
> following typo's in order of their occurrence:
>
>gebruikerssatistieken ->  gebruikersstatistieken
>het is ene bekend gegeven -> het is een bekend gegeven
>btreffende -> betreffende
>aan- of afmeldden -> aan- of afmelden
>   een verzoek tot afmelding moet verstuurd worden -> een verzoek tot
> afmelding moet worden verstuurd
>hekend -> herkend
>FROM_DAMEON -> FROM_DAEMON
>limiatie -> limitatie (or even better: "beperking")
>Het gebruikt bijvoorbeeld vaak -> Het gebeurt bijvoorbeeld vaak
>naar de reguliere emaillijst-adres -> naar het reguliere emaillijst-adres
>copie -> kopie
>mailing,ijst -> mailinglijst
>naar goeder trouwe -> te goeder trouw

Thanks for your report. I have corrected the mistakes, the updated page
should be online in a couple of hours.

Please keep up the good work of checking and reporting such mistakes, but
contact me directly or debian-l10n-dutch@lists.debian.org for mistakes in
the Dutch webpages for a quicker response.

Cheers

Luk

Re: Introducing RFH and OTH?

[Luk Claes]

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Frank Lichtenheld wrote:
>
> Several months ago it was proposed (from the RM IIRC) to introduce
> new WNPP tags: RFH (request for help) and ITH/OTH (offer to help)
>
> I myself have to take a part of the blame that the discussion
> died out since I proposed to technically implement this but it
> was first impossible due to the compromise and then forgotten.



> Now, before I complete and commit this and finally announce the
> availability of it I wanted to ask for comments again to see if this
> "feature" is still wanted and deemed useful.

I think the "feature" is very usefull. I'd like to do OTHs or respond to
ITHs! I think it could be an extra way to motivate future DDs.

It may even be an easier way to find sponsors (if I help you with your
ITH, can you please sponsor my package?), but that's maybe only my hope
;-)

Cheers

Luk

Re: Possible error in check_trans.pl

[Luk Claes]

On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Rumen Krastev wrote:

> Hello guys and girls (I hope there is ;-),
> today I founded a strange behavior of purging script, that removes more than
> 6 months outdated translations. One of my translations
> (bulgarian/News/index.wml) was purged from the repository, I wondered what
> happend and browsed the log - what a suprise:
>
> revision 1.4  [Select for revision A] [Select for revision B]
> date: 01 08 2004 10:00; author: peterk
>
> Automatic purge of file outdated for six months.

v 1.1 is more than 6 months old (see below)

> revision 1.3  [Select for revision A] [Select for revision B]
> date: 01 08 2004 05:48; author: djpig
>
> Add missing translation header

v 1.1 ??! and the previous upload was a sync with v 1.25 ??!

> revision 1.2  [Select for revision A] [Select for revision B]
> date: 10 07 2004 12:46; author: rkrastev
>
> sync with v.1.25
>
> revision 1.1  [Select for revision A] [Select for revision B]
> date: 01 07 2004 23:28; author: kraai
>
> Update Bulgarian translation.
>
> *
> As you can see my last update is from 10.07 (and after that there is a fix
> from djpig - thank you :-), furthermore the file was commited initialy on 1
> of july (this year)...

The translation header should mention the translated English revision, so
it should have been 1.25 probably. As English revision 1.1 is more than 6
months old, the file would be completely outdated and as such is removed.
You can off course add it again.

> I didn't dig into this perl script (I've not time, sorry), but probably
> there is some kind of bug, as you can see from the cvs log, so it will be
> usefull to fix this, before more people/translations be affected like like
> me.

So, I don't think there is a bug in the script...

Cheers

Luk

Re: Possible error in check_trans.pl

[Luk Claes]

On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Rumen Krastev wrote:

> > The translation header should mention the translated English revision, so
> > it should have been 1.25 probably. As English revision 1.1 is more than 6
> > months old, the file would be completely outdated and as such is removed.
>
> You mean that the script doesn't compare dates of the modifications, instead
> it reads the header and if the header says i'm v1.1 or there is no such
> header it decides that this file is outdate? Bizzare :-/
> If it works like that, there is a bug for me - definitely.

No, it compares dates, but in your case djpig added a translation header
saying that you translated revision 1.1 and that revision is way older
than 6 months so irrespective of how old your translation is, this
translation would be very outdated and so it was deleted. The only problem
was thus that the revision number was 1.1 instead of 1.25.

> > You can off course add it again.
> Yeap, and what happens when one day this script purge 20 or even more files
> in different directories? This would decrease the motivation of every
> translator :-/

You should add a translation header in every translated file with the
right revision number (that of the english page of course).

> > So, I don't think there is a bug in the script...
> But I do

Still??

Cheers

Luk

Bug#263084: Please change sexist language in debian (English) webpages

[Luk Claes]

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Matt Kraai wrote:

> In order to fix the other problems, it would be very helpful if
> someone would run
>
>  grep -Erw '(he|him|his)' english
>
> in a webwml checkout and send either a patch or a list of pages
> that should be fixed to this bug.

Attached you can find the output. I have deleted the News and vote items
as well as some obvious correct uses of the male form. Though, I may have
deleted too much or too little, but I hope it can be a start.

I noticed a 'Him' on devel/leader that's why the line with that file is
kept.

Cheers

Lukenglish/po/README:   When a translator wants to work on a PO file, he runs 
'make update-po'
english/Bugs/Developer.wml:  him.
english/devel/dmup.wml:If someone violates the rules set in this document he 
will be subjected
english/devel/dmup.wml:   offender has announced he will be on vacation in this 
time frame this
english/devel/dmup.wml:If the offender is expelled from the project he can 
register to become
english/devel/dmup.wml:If the offender does not agree with the decision 
made by the DSA he can
english/devel/leader.wml:delegates, to see how he can assist their work.  A 
main task of the
english/devel/debian-med/other.wml:  with him for a day and which records an 
electrocardiogram, continuously,
english/devel/debian-med/talks/internal/index.wml:   freedom and ability to 
realize his vision
english/devel/debian-med/talks/internal/internal.en.mgp:   freedom and ability 
to realize his vision
english/devel/debian-med/talks/internal/luxint.mgp:   freedom and ability to 
realize his vision
english/devel/join/nm-amchecklist.wml:on his application he/she need only send 
a request to his last AM.
english/devel/join/nm-amchecklist.wml:If this fixes it, your applicant has a 
buggy ElG key.  Get him to
english/devel/join/nm-step5.wml:the report of the applicant from his 
Application Manager.  If the Developer
english/devel/todo/items/40testingscripts.wml:his one in unstable.
english/events/checklist.wml: ask him to sign up at the administration if 
they would like to
english/events/checklist.wml: and users with no outline in which anyone can 
ask any question he
english/international/l10n/templates/hints.wml:  As the maintainer did also 
read this page, he knows that to ease the
english/international/l10n/templates/hints.wml:  translators' job, he must not 
merge templates, but keep this file as is in
english/international/l10n/templates/hints.wml:  file in the 
debian/ subdirectory. As he uses
english/international/l10n/templates/hints.wml:  dh_installdebconf 
in debian/rules, he had
english/international/l10n/templates/hints.wml:  Some weeks later, the package 
maintainer finishes his work on new
english/international/l10n/templates/hints.wml:  But as he does not speak 
French, he can not update
english/international/l10n/templates/hints.wml:  new version of his package.
english/international/l10n/templates/hints.wml:  Fortunately, as he wrote 
templates files the right way, this
english/intro/license_disc.wml: without his permission. 
english/security/1999/19990823c.wml:unknowningly overwrite a file to which he 
has access.
english/security/1999/19991030.wml:control the DNS entry for their IP he could 
fool lpr into granting access.
english/security/2000/2109.wml:control the DNS entry for their IP he could 
fool lpr into granting access.
english/security/2001/dsa-062.wml:to gain utmp which would allow him to modify 
the utmp file.
english/security/2001/dsa-065.wml:symbolic links on the Samba server he could 
trick Samba into
english/security/2001/dsa-065.wml:appending any data he wants to all files on 
the filesystem which
english/security/2001/dsa-069.wml:which would allow him to execute arbitrary 
code.
english/security/2001/dsa-080.wml:parameters.  If the user has write permission 
on the server he can
english/security/2001/dsa-085.wml:access of another users account if he hasn't 
lost his brain, we
english/security/2003/dsa-229.wml:screen, an attacker might update his mail 
signature to contain wanted
english/security/2003/dsa-249.wml:user to send his local cookies which are used 
for configuration.  The
english/security/2003/dsa-250.wml:user to send his local cookies which are used 
for configuration.  The
english/security/2003/dsa-251.wml:user to send his local cookies which are used 
for configuration.  The
english/template/debian/recent_list.wml:# dates for his different revisions.
english/vote/2000/leadership_debate/mat-speech.wml:expand, the DPL will need to 
delegate some of his responsibilities to
english/vote/howto_follow.wml:  The Project Leader, at his discretion, 
may allow the call to vote to be
english/vote/howto_follow.wml:  Project Leader at his discretion).  
english/vote/howto_proposal.wml:lists and to prevent him from 
having to subscribe to

Re: Patch for webwml/english/CD/vendors/vendors.CD

[Luk Claes]

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Frederic Bothamy wrote:
| Hello,
|
| Here is a small patch for webwml/english/CD/vendors/vendors.CD which
| fixes the current validation error (Line 2528, character 109: general
| entity "Store_Code" not defined and no default entity).
|
| Index: webwml/english/CD/vendors/vendors.CD
| ===
| RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/CD/vendors/vendors.CD,v
| retrieving revision 1.72
| diff -u -u -r1.72 vendors.CD
| --- webwml/english/CD/vendors/vendors.CD  8 Aug 2004 22:42:13 -   
1.72
| +++ webwml/english/CD/vendors/vendors.CD  11 Aug 2004 14:32:45 -
| @@ -2143,7 +2143,7 @@
|  
|  
|  http://www.alllinuxcd.com/";>
| -http://alllinuxcd.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=ALLLINUX";>
| +http://alllinuxcd.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=ALLLINUX";>
|  
|  
|  >

I have committed this.

Cheers

Luk

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Re: New page for devel/website

[Luk Claes]

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Tobias Toedter wrote:

| the long-term goal for the Debian website is to comply to the XHTML
| standard. I thought that maybe it could be a good idea to create a
page on
| which the most common mistakes/pitfalls etc. are listed when writing
XHTML.

I think it's a good idea to put such a page on the site.

But I also think we maybe need updated validate and tidy scripts? They
would ease the conversion and maintenance.

Cheers

Luk
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Re: DMUP violated? / Proposal: devel/website/using_cvs.wml

[Luk Claes]

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Florian Ernst wrote:

> Hello list!

Hello Flo

> OK, this seems to have been quite an unfortunate start for me:
>
> as CVS allows people to work independently and in the scope they
> prefer I saw no reason not to commit my first changes in small
> blocks to make sure I solely change what I intented to change, i.e.
> I fixed a spelling error in the english page and bumped the
> translation-check header in all applicable translations using the fine
> smart_change.pl, then committed this small block.
> I knew about the debian-www-cvs mailing list but thought this is
> acceptable, after all the system is set up for many changes.
>
> Apparently it was not acceptable, and at least one person was / is
> seriously annoyed by the amount of similar messages coming in, so I
> propose the attached change to devel/website/using_cvs.wml.

Well, I was also a bit annoyed by the amount of messages.

> Unfortunately things have already happened and as the very same person
> has used the term "abuse" please check whether I have violated the
> DMUP (I guess "wilful, deliberate, reckless or unlawful act
> interfer[ing] with the work of another developer" and "Mail Bombing"
> _could_ apply here) or any other document.

But I don't think it is a "Mail Bombing" or such, nor did it interfere
with my work (I don't know of interference with anybody elses work), so I
don't think you violated the DMUP.

I second the proposed patch and I hope you keep doing your analyses.

Cheers

Luk

Re: Providing documentation for developers (in the website) related to the buildd network

[Luk Claes]

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Wouter Verhelst wrote:
| On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 01:47:29PM +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino
Peña wrote:
|
|>On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 11:54:15AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
[...]
|>>However, if you check the version number of the package in the Packages
|>>file, and check where the Sources file has its base URL, you can
|>>download the source tarball.
|>
|>I can't find the package in the sid Packages file, is it 'buildd'?
|
|
| In the db.debian.org packages file, not the sid one.
|
| wget http://db.debian.org/debian-admin/Packages
|
| look for 'buildd' in Packages, and see what the version number is.
| construct a file name 'wanna-build_' plus the version number of buildd
| as found in Packages.
|
| wget http://db.debian.org/debian-admin/wanna-build_$version.tgz
|
|
|>A previous mail from you [1] points to http://db.debian.org/debian-admin/
|>but that location is not available any more (I believe you are already
|>aware of that)
|>
|>
|>>I agree that it would be better if the source would be readily
|>>downloadable, but that is currently not the case.
|>
|>Yes, most unfortunate. I've been able to find a buildd package,
however, at
|>http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/buildd/
|>
|>I wonder if this one is recommended/used?
|
|
| Neither am I.
|
|
|>[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/06/msg007006.html
|
|
| That link renders a 404.

I think he meant [2] (there was one 0 too many)

[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/06/msg00706.html

Cheers

Luk

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Re: No news for this year?

[Luk Claes]

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Olaf van der Spek wrote:
| Hi,
|
| At the dutch (NL) version of http://www.debian.org/News/, it says: "Geen
| items voor dit jaar." (no items for this year).
| The english version works fine.

I cannot reproduce this (http://www.debian.org/News/index.nl.html).

Cheers

Luk
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Re: schrijffout sociaal contract/ text error social contract

[Luk Claes]

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Bas wrote:
| http://www.debian.org/social_contract
| Hi on the above website (the dutch version),  I remarked a "missing
word" in
| the social contract.
| In dutch it says,
| --
| Geen onderscheid tussen gebruiksomgevingen
|
|
| De licentie mag het gebruik (van?) het programma in bepaalde
| gebruiksomgevingen niet inperken.
|
| It about the word 'van'
| --

Corrected. It will be visible on the server in a couple of hours.

Cheers

Luk

PS: Note that the translation of the social contract is 'outdated' (the
'new' version is different, see the english page).
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Why is the 'Kenya_count' not updated?

[Luk Claes]

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Hi

What do I have to do to update _count in the consultants page?
I have recently added a consultant from Kenya, so I had to add Kenya to
the countries, but the Kenya_count isn't updated.

Cheers

Luk
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Re: Don't put 8bit characters into consultant.data!

[Luk Claes]

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Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
| Hi!

Hi Alfie

|  consultant.data is *not* meant to contain /any/ 8bit characters. There
| is no encoding defined for that file and it gets used in all the
| languages directly, ending up with b0rked characters on the webpages,
| especially in non-latin and utf8 environments (like japanese).

Sorry, I overlooked the 'accent circonflex' in the address of Ankeo.

|  I do appreciate your work on the consultant.data file, but pretty
| please keep in mind that you must put valid HTML entities for the 8bit
| characters you like to put in. I'm slightly annoyed by having to clean
| up there regularly

Regularly? You fixed 3 entries: 1 recent, 1 from July and 1 from May.
I'm only recently working on consultants ... and it is only the first
time you did this for consultants.data according the cvs logs.

You are right to complain and to keep remembering us to use valid HTML
entities, but please try to be gentle.

Cheers

Luk
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Re: Installation Debian

[Luk Claes]

Frank Lichtenheld wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 10:44:13AM +0200, David Martínez Moreno wrote:
> 
>>El Jueves, 7 de Julio de 2005 23:25, Matt Kraai escribió:
>>
>>>Please add a comment to the English version asking translators to do
>>>so.  Also, it might be helpful for translators to link to an email
>>>address where people can report problems in their own language.
>>
>>  Hello, Matt.
>>
>>  Done. This is the diff:
> 
> 
> Does comment work in .pot files? Shouldn't this comment be added to the
> template instead so that xgettext can extract it?

To make sure the comment is still in the pot file if it is updated you
should indeed add the comment to the source file and let xgettext do the
work.

I have updated this in CVS.

Cheers

Luk


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Re: help fixing XHTML pages

[Luk Claes]

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Tommi Vainikainen wrote:
> On 2005-08-21T20:02:59+0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>>What I want to do is convert xhtml pages on
>>www.debian.org to XHTML 1.0 Strict. The thing is that debian.org
>>uses a tool called WML to generate the web pages. I need help in
>>learning how to do this. I've downloaded the web site to my local
>>machine, and I've read http://www.debian.org/devel/website/ and its
>>links.
> 
> 
> Did you build already some pages, e.g.
> 
> cvs co .../english
> cd english; make
> 
> And then look some of the generated pages with your $BROWSER and also
> probably some kind of (X)HTML validator?
> 
> 
>>I just would like someone to show me, step by step, how to convert a
>>wml page to an xhtml page. Could someone help me do this?
> 
> 
> I'm don't know exactly what it needs to be valid XHTML, but if you
> look at the .wml files, there is header such as
> 
> #use wml::debian::
> 
> These files called templates you will find from
> webwml/english/template/debian directory. You probably need to adjust
> those files to use XHTML instead of what current HTML 4.01
> Transitional, and then go trough every page and check with XHTML
> validator that those are really valid XHTML.

I think it's the webwml/english/template/debian/base.wml file.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Luk


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