Re: Summary from the debian www/wiki BoF at DC14
Le Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:15:11AM +0200, Tomas Pospisek a écrit : > > Is your preliminary work available somewhere or isn't is any value yet > for other contributors? Hi Thomas, this does not answer directly to your question, but you may find the following link useful. https://wiki.debian.org/WebsiteVCSEvaluation Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140917082512.gg2...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: Bug#780168: outdated constitution at www.debian.org/devel/constitution , should be version 1.5
Le Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:45:56AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > > Version 1.5 of the Constitution is already shipped by doc-base; see my patch > implementing it as part of #777350. Brief note to those who like me were raising eyewbrows: Stefano meant doc-debian, not doc-base. Cheers, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150310013615.gm8...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: Bug#680109: Missing note that e-mails to debian-www@lists.debian.org are published
Le Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:26:42PM +0200, Laura Arjona Reina a écrit : > > Since all the pages show a footer with > mailto:debian-www@lists.debian.org, I think it would be nice to add the > "disclaimer" to the footer. … > Index: footer.wml > === > RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/footer.wml,v > retrieving revision 1.128 > diff -u -r1.128 footer.wml > --- footer.wml9 May 2014 14:14:07 - 1.128 > +++ footer.wml28 Apr 2015 20:24:36 - > @@ -94,7 +94,16 @@ > # you can add some information of your own translation mailing list > # (i.e. debian-l10n-xxx...@lists.debian.org) for reporting things in > # your language. > - To report a problem with the web site, e-mail href="mailto:debian-www@lists.debian.org";>debian-www@lists.debian.org. > For other contact information, see the Debian href="m4_HOME/contact">contact page. Web site source code is href="m4_HOME/devel/website/using_cvs">available. > + To report a problem with the web site, e-mail href="mailto:debian-www@lists.debian.org";>debian-www@lists.debian.org. > For other contact information, see the Debian href="m4_HOME/contact">contact page. > + > + > + > +Please note that most of the e-mail addresses represent open > mailing lists with public archives. > +Read the \ > +disclaimer before sending any messages. > + > + > +Web site source code is href="m4_HOME/devel/website/using_cvs">available. > > >Last Modified Hi Laura, on behalf of everybody who sent a public message without knowing, thank you for your work on this ! I think that the people who contact us need a clear indication that the contact address is a public mailing list. In that sense, why not simplifying your patch and simply have the disclaimer everywhere by adding “Please note that this contact address and many other on this website are open mailing lists with public archives.” between the first and second sentences ? Or even simpler: “To report a problem with the web site, e-mail our publically archived mailing list debian-www@lists.debian.org.” Have a nice day, Charles -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150527065539.gm4...@falafel.plessy.net
Bug#680109: Missing note that e-mails to debian-www@lists.debian.org are published
Le Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:20:54AM +0200, Laura Arjona Reina a écrit : > > I used the note that is already published in https://www.debian.org/contact Actually, I do not see the note on https://www.debian.org/contact... (Assuming that what you mean by "the note" is "To report a problem with the web site, e-mail debian-www@lists.debian.org. For other contact information, see the Debian contact page. Web site source code is available.") Cheers, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150527092506.ga4...@falafel.plessy.net
Bug#680109: Advice on bug #680109 (proposal would break translations of the website footer)
Le Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:34:41AM +0200, Laura Arjona Reina a écrit : > > I'm attaching a new patch, that would change that to: > > "To report a problem with the web site, and other contact information, > see the Debian contact page." > > Note that this would break translations as the former one, so i18n > advice about how to handle that is still welcome :) > > In contact page ( https://www.debian.org/contact ), we already have > (among other info): > > * "Please note that most of the e-mail addresses below represent open > mailing lists with public archives. Read the disclaimer before sending > any messages." Hi again, I also like the idea to remove the mailto link to debian-www@l.d.o from the footer, so that only the link to the contact page remains. However, the disclaimer above, that "most (...) adresses (...) represent open mailing lists" is not accurate. Here is the list of the adresses on the contact page. - debian-proj...@lists.debian.org-> public archived list -debian-u...@lists.debian.org-> public archived list -debian-b...@lists.debian.org-> public archived list -mirr...@debian.org -> not a list - package name>@packages.debian.org -> depends - secur...@debian.org -> not a list, information "discreet" - debian-de...@lists.debian.org-> public archived list - debian-www@lists.debian.org-> public archived list - ad...@db.debian.org -> not a list. Obsolete ? (not listed on https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DSA) - listmas...@lists.debian.org-> not a list (not sure about confidentiality) - ow...@bugs.debian.org -> not a list (not confidential ?) - antiharassm...@debian.org -> not a list (confidential ?) With 5 or 6 out of 12, I would not say that open mailing lists are "most" of the addresses. So I think that the best would be to have the disclaimer to say that addresses "may" be a public list, and for each address listed on the page, be explicit on publicity and confidentiality. I can prepare a patch unless Laura or somebody else is up for (I am a bit short of time). Have a nice day, Charles -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150527104346.gb4...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: Blends web pages relocation
Le Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 05:29:46PM +0100, Iain R. Learmonth a écrit : > > There's now a page at https://www.debian.org/blends/ which has the index of > the blends. A lot of the links for the blends don't really go anywhere > useful currently, I need to find better links, so this isn't ready for being > linked from the front page yet. Hi Iain, thanks a lot for this initiative. I have a comment about the description at the top of the page: prospective users do not care about how Blends were called in the past, and how bad that name was; they want to know why Blends are good :) Here is a suggestion: Debian Pure Blends Debian Pure Blends are a solution for special groups of users with different skills and interests. Not only do they provide handy collections (metapackages) of specific program packages, but they also ease installation and configuration for the intended purpose. Debian Pure Blends are not forks from Debian. As the name underlines, they are pure Debian and just provide a specific flavour. So if you obtain the complete Debian GNU/Linux distribution, you have all available Debian Pure Blends available for installation. Debian Pure Blends are also just called Blends when used clearly in the Debian internal context which makes "Pure" and "Debian" obvious, like on this page. They were formerly known as Custom Debian Distributions - this name was changed because it was confusing too much users on be something else than Debian. I also find the "Learn More" section redundant with the introduction above; probably they can be blended ;) Maybe "Learn More" would be a good place to explain more in details how to install the Blends (in the end, was support enabled in Jessie's Debian Installer ?), what are "tasks" or "metapackages", how to find them, how metapackages work in Debian (what happens or not when removed), and whether it is possible to install two blends at the same time. Lastly, small detail: how about adding "(Medical and Life sciences)" after "Debian Med" in the list of released blends ? PS: if somebody has an idea for a cool diagram that would explain it all in a simple picture, that would dramatically increase the visual impact of the page Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan
Bug#816159: www.debian.org: new introduction for blends page
Le Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 03:31:08PM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : > > I would like to change the current introduction to Debian Pure Blends > on the website to the following text. Hi Paul and everybody, maybe I am too much of a scientist, but I prefer when the first paragraph directly answers to the question "what is this ?". I tend to lose interest or focus when reading narratives such as the first paragraph you propose below. > > A general purpose operating system like Debian can be the perfect solution for > many different areas of life. > Whether you want Debian to work for you in the classroom, as a games machine, > or in the office, each area has its own unique needs and requires a > different subset of packages tailored in a different way. > This said, the paragraph below (or the alternative versions discussed in this thread) would be a nice improvement to the current page. Thank you for proposing this. > > Debian Pure Blends are a solution for groups of people with specific needs. > Not only do they provide handy collections (meta-packages) of specific > packages, > but they also ease installation and configuration for the intended purpose. > They cover the interests of different groups of people, who might be children, > scientists, gamers, lawyers, medical staff, visually impaired people, etc. > Their common goal is to make installation and administration of computers > for their target audience as easy as possible and to connect their audience > with the people who write or package software for that audience. > By the way, I do not see the paragraph starting by "Debian Pure Blends are not forks from" in your proposal. Are you suggesting to remove it ? Have a nice day, -- Charles
Bug#816159: www.debian.org: new introduction for blends page
Le Sat, Mar 05, 2016 at 03:12:36PM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : > On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Iain R. Learmonth wrote: > > On 01/03/16 13:18, Charles Plessy wrote: > >> By the way, I do not see the paragraph starting by "Debian Pure Blends are > >> not > >> forks from" in your proposal. Are you suggesting to remove it ? > > > > I don't think it's necessary to remove the second paragraph, it's > > important to the concept of Pure Blends and is not covered in the first > > paragraph. > > I explicitly wanted to remove that since this is a user-facing page > not a developer one. Hi Paul, I think that it is valuable to inform users that Debian Pure Blends are fully contained in Debian. Their experience with other distribution may differ. For instance, I recently had to do some work on a CentOS system, where the workflow to install scientific packages is first to install the "epel-release" package, distributed by CentOS, which adds some entries in yum's equivalent of apt's sources list, that point to an extra repository where the scientific packages are available. Users who went through such experience before trying Debian may be interested to learn that Blends do not work the same. Of course, the information can be rephrased and moved if one wants to put less emphasis on it (for more emphasis elsewhere). For instance, we could add something like "Debian Pure Blends are developed, distributed and supported fully within Debian" at the end of the current "first paragraph". Have a nice week-end, Charles -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan
DVDs did not arrive (Re: Non receptions de disque Debian)
Le Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 02:17:57PM +, dery alain a écrit : > > J'ai commandé le 28 février 2015 13 DVD de Debian 8.0.0 auprès du > représentant désigné pour le CANADA, en l'occurence Stormfront Ventures > (806706 Canada Ltd). Depuis lors , j'ai tenté de communiquer avec eux par > E-mail, par l'intermédiaire du site Internet et par téléphone, et je n'ai > reçu aucune réponse à mes demandes pour savoir ce qui arrivait avec l'envoi, > n'ayant rien reçu en date d’aujourd’hui. Pouvez-vous m'aider à obtenir les > disques. Le numéro de reçu est 4899-5428-9269-4651 Alain Déry166 > Olivier-GuimondPointe-Fortune, QcCanadaJ0P 1N0 Bonjour Alain, hello everybody (english follows), debian-www@lists.debian.org est une liste de diffusion anglophone, dont les archives sont publiques. Je suppose que la commande était en 2016 et pas en 2015 ? Voici ma traduction pour les autres lecteurs, au cas où ils puissent donner une réponse. Alain is reporting that he ordered 13 DVDs of Debian Jessie to Stormfront Ventures on February 28th, 2015 (I am asking him if he did not mean 2016). The CDs did not come and he could not contact the company by email, Internet or telephone. He is asking if we can help him to get the CDs, and indicated his invoice number. Cheers, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan
Bug#824085: Updated patch ready to commit to git
Le Fri, May 13, 2016 at 11:54:20AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > > Those changes will additionnaly make it possible to use > f...@packages.debian.org > (or future teams+...@tracker.debian.org) emails in package maintainer field > and have all co-maintainers subscribed through the Debian package tracker. Thanks a lot, Raphaël, this will be wonderful. Have a nice Sunday, -- Charles
Re: Let's stop using CVS for debian.org website
Le Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 06:16:45PM +0100, Rhonda D'Vine a écrit : > > so far everyone who brought it just came > with blank statements how awful CVS is (actually, it isn't that bad) and > never give a helping hand when they see what it might involve. Hi all it is not an entirely fair statement. For instance, I put quite some time on showing that it was possible to use Ikiwiki, and therefore Git. Sure, that meant not only leaving CVS, but also leaving WML, so I understand that it was not what people expected, but yes, sometimes people have backed their proposals with real work ! https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2010/08/msg00049.html The demo site is unfortunately gone, but trust me, it was looking quite close to the original :) The main reasons why I did not promote this further were a) it was greeted by a Great Silence, b) Git was still quite controversial at the time, c) the PO plugin of Ikiwiki had hiccups, and of course d) the proposal to quit using WML was definitely unpopular. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan
Re: Let's stop using CVS for debian.org website
(dropping -devel) Le Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 11:59:29PM +0100, Bálint Réczey a écrit : > > This is true, those who don't have good access can't make new commits > to the remote repository by pushing changes, but they can make the > "subtree clone" a local repository and send the patches to the others > for review. > > They could also push their changes by creating a full clone on > git.debian.org/home/.../ > and integrating their patches created using the "subtree clone" there. Hi Bálint and everybody, in addition, some contributors making their first translations do not have commit access anyway. Downloading a file, discussing a diff on a translation mailing list, and then getting the file "sponsored" was not unusual 10 years ago (although I have not made translations recently and I can not tell what the usual workflow is now). The point I want to make is: thank you Bálint for the hint, it is great to have a simple way to download a single file. Have a nice day, -- Charles
Re: https://www.debian.org/devel/passwordlessssh.de.html
Hello everybody, I just read the page being discussed here: are we sure we really want to tell developers and users that in some cases it is fine to use a plain passwordless SSH key ? - for interactive use, it is almost as conveninent, and more secure, to use a SSH agent; - for non-interactive use, it is more secure to restrict what the SSH key can do using a "command" field in the authorized_keys file; - while I am not using the Debian infrastructure much, I am not aware of use cases where it is necessary for simple users to have a plain unrestricted passwordless key as described here. (By the way, the .xsession extract should contain "# eval $(ssh-agent)" instead of "# eval ssh-agent"). I think that the contents of this page would have been added to wiki.debian.org if it already existed when the page was created. Perhaps it is better to transfer the information now ? I understand that being on www.debian.org gives better chances of being translated in many languages, but I would expect that somebody invited to log in debian.org systems with a passwordless key should have a reasonable undestanding of English... And if it is not about logging in the Debian infrastructure, then maybe it is an argument for removing the page ? Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan
Re: Debian Policy 4.0.0.0
Le Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 05:50:13PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : > > This is a huge change, including the conversion to DocBook Many thanks to you, Guillem, Osamu and everybody else how made this happen ! -- Charles
Re: Debian Policy 4.0.0.0
Le Tue, May 02, 2017 at 09:17:21AM -0300, Antonio Terceiro a écrit : > > One thing I was always curious about: is there a reason to use such a > deep versioning scheme? > > A shorter version number would make package maintainers life a bit > easier when keeping Standards-Version: up to date. For example noticing > 4.0 vs 4.1 is way easier than noticing 3.9.7.0 vs 3.9.8.0. Hi Antonio, "only the first three components of the policy version are significant in the Standards-Version control field, and so either these three components or all four components may be specified." https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Standards-Version Have a nice day, Charles -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan
Re: Remove emails
Le Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 12:09:02PM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : > On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:17 PM, Fernando Cosso wrote: > > > Can you please delete these emails? > > Please read these two pages: > > https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#disclaimer > https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/disclaimer Hi all, how about changing the footer of the web pages from: To report a problem with the web site, e-mail debian-www@lists.debian.org. to: To report a problem with the web site, e-mail our publicly archived mailing list debian-www@lists.debian.org. Have a nice day, Charles -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan
Conversion of english pages to Unicode, via HTML entities.
Le Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:09:36AM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs a écrit : > > Out of iso-8859-1 is actually still on the agenda and will happen. Hello everybody, would it be welcome if I would start to replace iso-8859-1 characters by HTML entities using smart-change for the english language, in order to ease conversion to Unicode ? As of today, there would be this number of files changed in the following directories. 1 CD 1 misc 2 doc 2 ports 2 template 5 banners 5 consultants 9 international 23 users 35 events 35 vote 111 security 224 News Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110515132448.gb29...@merveille.plessy.net
Bug#567781: Conversion of english pages to Unicode, via HTML entities.
Le Mon, May 16, 2011 at 07:34:59PM +0200, Simon Paillard a écrit : > On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 10:24:48PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > > > would it be welcome if I would start to replace iso-8859-1 characters > > by HTML entities using smart-change for the english language, in order > > to ease conversion to Unicode ? As of today, there would be this > > number of files changed in the following directories. > [..] > > No, I would even advice the other: remaining entities -> to the coding used by > each language. Entities can be removed after the conversion, and I can help for this as well. I would like the English pages to be converted to Unicode, and offered my help a couple of monthes ago. I proposed to first go to the common denominator of iso-8859-1 and Unicode, which is ASCII plus entities, and then to switch encoding, and then to remove the entities. I sent this to http://bugs.debian.org/567781#77 and I thought it was accepted by the WWW team after discussion on IRC: http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-www/2011/debian-www.2011-02-15-21.30.html The advantage if this proposition is that the work can be distributed over time and people. What are the other plans ? If it is to have a massive overnight transition, given my timezone, you can probably count me out… Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110517000342.ga30...@merveille.plessy.net
Bug#567781: Conversion of english pages to Unicode, via HTML entities.
Dear Gerfried and WWW team, my proposition is the following: 1) Bring the English pages into a state where the files are the same regardless whether the encoding is iso-8859-1, ascii or utf8. 2) Make the English pages served as utf8 instead of iso-8859-1. 3) If necessary, convert entities to accented characters. Apart from 2) I am proposing to do up to 100 % of the work, according to how much others would like to participate. I think that by large, in the English pages, the characters that are currently accented are in the persons or location names, as most of the pages that need to be converted are in the directories users, events, vote, security and News. I think that the three-step conversion I propose will not interfere with the possibility of spellchecking the pages that are actively worked on. Note that anyway the pages in vote, security and News usually do not have new content added. I propose to use smart-change in the steps 1) and 3), so that the translators are not disturbed. I already made a test in February for one page in devel/debian-med, and it worked – see commit ID 2rdf5isFrcBQZ66v. Please note that I am the contributor of the English version and of the only translation of that page: I took great care of not disturbing other's work. It is true that in 1) and 3) there is a risk of side effects. I will look for them and revert them. I would like to repeat that I did my best to think about the translators, and never ever proposed something that would bump their translation-check headers, because I propose to use smart-change. At Debcamp, technically, how do you intend to convert the English pages to unicode without bumping translation-check headers ? Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110519102943.ga2...@merveille.plessy.net
Bug#567781: Conversion of english pages to Unicode, via HTML entities.
Le Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:31:47AM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs a écrit : > > > I propose to use smart-change in the steps 1) and 3), so that the > > translators are not disturbed. > > If a translation is outdated already, it will disturb translators Hi Gerfried, I did not realise that smart_change was not bumping version of outdated translations, and this clarifies a big misunderstanding. This said, I could probably modify smart_change locally if needed. If you plan to do the migration at Debcamp that is great: this is more free time for me. If after Debconf the migration is not done, I will come back with my proposal. Cheers, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110526092139.gg15...@merveille.plessy.net
Bug#567781: Conversion of english pages to Unicode, via HTML entities.
Le Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:32:47AM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs a écrit : > smart_change can't bump versions of outdated translations - how > should translators otherwise be aware that they have to update their > translation? Good point. I thought about keeping the outdate count constant during the operation, but of course the information of which is the last translated version would be corrupted. I do not think that I will ever have a large enough time window to work on a single-run switch by myself. I would like the Unicode transition to be done, and if nobody else does it I propose to do it myself or together, step by step, in an asynchronous manner. The time I dedicate to Debian is usually very fragmented. If I come back with a proposal, I will - list the pages that need a conversion, - report if they have outdated translations, - report which translations would be likely to be modified by a smart-change, - detail how I propose to solve that problem. Cheers, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110526105427.gh15...@merveille.plessy.net
Re: Bug#609160: debian-policy: include DEP5
Dear Policy team and WWW team, Here are two patches against the debian-policy package, in order to prepare the distribution of our specification of a machine-readable format for debian/copyright, drafted as Debian Enhancement Proposal number 5 (DEP 5) at the following URL: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0 The first patch just catches up with changes sent by Lars as a driver, and the second updates the URI to its final version. Proofreading is appreciated. After the debian-policy package is updated in unstable, it will be possible to bring the specification on line by adding a couple of commands to the parts/7doc cron script of our website, like with the attached patch. Please see it as an example only, and see also: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=debwww/cron.git;a=blob;f=parts/7doc;h=4321c7ffaf32ce08294a9d198cf2d5b089fef0cd;hb=HEAD Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan >From 6a5eb1cff5a1e3c2499113ce4bc0a22cad14b4b8 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Charles Plessy Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 23:37:29 +0900 Subject: [PATCH 1/2] Patch from Lars Wirzenius that * removes drivers from abstract (we're mentioned in acks, which is enough) * corrects a couple of missing spaces from markup * removes of useless appendix (this was in dep svn already, so better do it in the version in policy too) http://bugs.debian.org/609160#109 --- copyright-format/copyright-format.xml | 31 +++ 1 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 28 deletions(-) diff --git a/copyright-format/copyright-format.xml b/copyright-format/copyright-format.xml index 8ae9023..d6790aa 100644 --- a/copyright-format/copyright-format.xml +++ b/copyright-format/copyright-format.xml @@ -30,9 +30,7 @@ standard, machine-readable format for debian/copyright files within packages and facilitate automated checking and reporting of licenses for packages and -sets of packages. The DEP drivers were Steve Langasek -vor...@debian.org and Lars Wirzenius -l...@liw.fi. +sets of packages. @@ -143,7 +141,7 @@ A white space separated list means that the field value may be on one line or many, but values in the list are separated by one or more white space characters (including space, TAB, and newline). For example, the -Filesfield has a list of filename patterns. +Files field has a list of filename patterns. @@ -273,7 +271,7 @@ package, for instance when a work combines a permissive and a copyleft license, or to document a compilation copyright and license. It is possible to use only License in - the header paragraph, but Copyrightalone makes no + the header paragraph, but Copyright alone makes no sense. @@ -1171,27 +1169,4 @@ License: GPL-2+ - - - Appendix: Note about the use of this format in Debian - - - The Debian Policy (§http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs#s-copyrightfile";>12.5) - demands that each package is accompanied by a file, - debian/copyright in source packages and - /usr/share/doc/package/copyright in binary packages, - that contains a verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license. - In addition, it requires that copyrights must be extractable by mechanical - means. This proposal for machine-readable copyright and license summary - files has been crafted for Debian's use, but it is our hope that other - software distributions, as well as upstream developers will adopt it, so - that review efforts can be easily reproduced and shared. - - - The copyright of the Debian packaging and the history of package - maintainers is simply indicated in a Files: debian/* - paragraph. - - -- 1.7.5.4 >From 36a2cc0fdf953cbaf6996fd63b51f427439e33e2 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Charles Plessy Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 23:43:43 +0900 Subject: [PATCH 2/2] Use http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0 as URI. --- copyright-format/copyright-format.xml |8 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) diff --git a/copyright-format/copyright-format.xml b/copyright-format/copyright-format.xml index d6790aa..2f9cb10 100644 --- a/copyright-format/copyright-format.xml +++ b/copyright-format/copyright-format.xml @@ -185,7 +185,7 @@ Format Required single line: URI of the format specification, such as: - http://www.debian.org/doc/copyright-format/1.0 + http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0 @@ -278,7 +278,7 @@ Example header paragraph -Format: <VERSIONED_FORMAT_URL> +Format: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0 Upstream-Name: SOFTwa
Technical questions about distribution of DEP 5 on www.debian.org.
Le Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 12:16:58AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : > Dear Policy team and WWW team, > > Here are two patches against the debian-policy package, in order to prepare > the > distribution of our specification of a machine-readable format for > debian/copyright, drafted as Debian Enhancement Proposal number 5 (DEP 5) at > the following URL: > > http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0 Dear WWW team, I would like to ask for your thoughts about the URI for DEP 5. In particular: - Would you like it to be in doc/packaging-manuals, or are other directories like doc/standards or even /standards welcome as well ? - The copyright-format specification is a single file. Do you want it to be served as a recognisable file name, like copyright-format-1.0.html, or are file names like index.html or 1.0.html acceptable ? - Do you want the spec's file name to be the same on www.debian.org and in the debian-policy package ? - Shall the spec be installed using the same cron job as for the other sub-policies of the debian-policy package, or, because it is versionned, shall it be added directly to the webwml repository ? Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110908001316.ga29...@plessy.org
[copyright-format] Format URL and installation on www.debian.org (Re: Bug#640737: [copyright-format] misc. changes from driver.)
Le Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 02:07:52PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : > David Prévot writes: > > > I don't now what is the supposed name of the DEP5 document inside the > > debian-policy package, but it would be highly appreciated if the “1.0” > > part could be easily parsable from the document name, at worse from the > > document itself (in a reliable way). > > We should be able to do that. > > > Another side issue: in a few years, after some updates of the > > copyright-format policy (e.g. version 4.2), it will be a bit painful to > > rebuild the website from scratch, since one will have to dig up old > > debian-policy packages in order to retrieve all copyright-format > > versions… > > I'm moderately tempted to just keep all the old versions in the > debian-policy package to solve that problem. It would mean that any build > system issues would have to be done across all the old versions of the > document we have available, but it seems worth it to have stable URLs. Dear all, Here is one simple solution: - In the debian-policy package, copyright-format/copyright-format.xml is the working document, which contains a disclaimer and a reference to the stable version on www.debian.org. - Published versions are stored in the debian-policy in copyright-format/published/, as XML source and HTML and text documents, without makefile as they are final versions, under names like copyright-format/published/copyright-format-1.0.html. - The ‘7doc’ cron job on www.debian.org installs a hard-coded list of copyright-format versions, on URIs like ‘http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format-1.0.html’ Depending how often the spec is updated (hopefully not often), the file listing in http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/ will grow, but if it really becomes a problem, the directory could get a proper WML index. - Thanks to content negociation on www.debian.org, the current URI for the spec would be http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format-1.0 Just let me know if you would like patches. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110928003605.gc6...@merveille.plessy.net
Re: Bug#640737: [copyright-format] Format URL and installation on www.debian.org (Re: Bug#640737: [copyright-format] misc. changes from driver.)
Le Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 05:45:02PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : > Charles Plessy writes: > > > - Published versions are stored in the debian-policy in > >copyright-format/published/, as XML source and HTML and text > >documents, without makefile as they are final versions, under names > >like copyright-format/published/copyright-format-1.0.html. > > I think we should include the source Yes, this is what I have written, modulo the Makefile. I think that there is an advantage to not rebuild the HTML and TXT versions, as this guarantees that the distrubuted documents on www.debian.org will stay bit-identical. The HTML version is currently built using jade, but this is because I have been conservative and took the same mechanism as for the Debconf spec. It is trivially buildable with xsltproc on a standard Debian system as the DocBook source indicates its stylesheet. The TXT is built by converting HTML to text with the links browser. We can of course include a Makefile and make sure that the published versions are always rebuildable, but if jade and links change tiny details in the way they convert documents (whitespace,…), I think that it would not be a good reason to change the MD5 sum of the published versions. > > - Thanks to content negociation on www.debian.org, the current URI for > >the spec would be > >http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format-1.0 > > The advantage of instead using: > > http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ > > is that, when one is using a simple mapping from URLs to file space, if > for some reason the document ever needs to be broken into multiple files > or needs to have images, the URL already assumes each document is in its > own directory and keeps all those supporting files isolated from each > other for multiple versions. I proposed copyright-format-1.0 because it seemed to fit better David's requirements, as for the URI you propose the file name of the spec would be ‘index.html’. For both URIs it looks equally easy to install the files. I will follow the WWW team's choice for sure. Cheers, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110928010343.gd6...@merveille.plessy.net
Re: Bug#640737: [copyright-format] Format URL and installation on www.debian.org
tag 640737 + patch thanks Dear all, to summarise: * http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format// will allow the copyright-format specification to become a multi-page HTML document if it gets significantly expanded, but on the other hand, somebody downloading the current one-page spec will get a file called ‘index.html’. * Rebuilding the distributed document at each upload may cause it to change in layout or in checksum, but on the other hand ensures that it is continuously buildable. My point of view is that the copyright-format specification is not likely to be enlarged to the point of neeeding to separate its chapters in different files (there is SPDX…) and that the source document uses only simple DocBook 4.5 tags which makes it very unlikely to become unbuildable with the default XSL stylesheet it uses. Moreover, I am biased by the culture in my profession to not change even a single comma of a published work, so my personnal preference would have been to distribute files like copyright-format-1.0.html, committed with their source in the debian-policy Git repository. This said, this point of view had no support from other participants in this discussion. So I propose to do the following, in line with the other propositions. a) Apply the attached patch to point at http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ in the spec. b) When the 1.0 version is finalised, (re)build at each upload copyright-format/copyright-format.xml, copyright-format/copyright-format-1.0.xml, and so on for the future revisions. c) Distribute the versionned and unversionned HTML and text builds in the debian-policy binary package. (Assuming that if since nobody proposed to stop distributing the unversionned build, it is that people want it to stay). I will propose a patch to implement the building and distribution of released versions and current draft, but before doing so, I would like to know if it would be acceptable to have them in /usr/share/doc/debian-policy, or if the published versions should be in a separate directory. Have a nice day, -- Charles >From f1458e166554bcb1928e7d74e54af5ea873d8dc4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Charles Plessy Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 22:22:22 +0900 Subject: [PATCH] Use http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ as URI. --- copyright-format/copyright-format.xml |8 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) diff --git a/copyright-format/copyright-format.xml b/copyright-format/copyright-format.xml index d6790aa..c4e47b3 100644 --- a/copyright-format/copyright-format.xml +++ b/copyright-format/copyright-format.xml @@ -185,7 +185,7 @@ Format Required single line: URI of the format specification, such as: - http://www.debian.org/doc/copyright-format/1.0 + http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ @@ -278,7 +278,7 @@ Example header paragraph -Format: <VERSIONED_FORMAT_URL> +Format: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/; Upstream-Name: SOFTware Upstream-Contact: John Doe <john@example.com> Source: http://www.example.com/software/project @@ -1060,7 +1060,7 @@ also delete it here. A possible debian/copyright file for the program X Solitaire distributed in the Debian source package xsol: -
Re: copyright-format/1.0 dead link
> > It seems the link http://www.debian.org/doc/copyright-format/1.0 which > > is suggested as the one to use in dep-5 copyright files according to > > http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/ is currently a dead link. > > Is this because it has not yet been published or has it gone missing? > > The former. Please refer to #640737, already discussed on this list. By the way, any developper who agrees that the following URL is good and consensual can second the patch in #640737 and therefore help DEP 5 to make one more step towards completion. http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111030040313.gf31...@merveille.plessy.net
Re: Removing personal data from old lists
Le Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 09:39:55AM +1100, Craig Small a écrit : > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 01:19:06AM -0300, kiep...@pop.com.br wrote: > > Inadvertently my personal data, full name and cellphone, were publish. > > Today I'm in trouble with the lot of email and SMS spam I receive. > > Hello Kristhoffer, > We, as a rule, do not delete old emails out of the archives. Our > disclaimer at http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#disclaimer is quite > clear on that your email will be public and appear on many archives. > We are also under no obligation to remove the entry, see > http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/disclaimer > > In addition, removing those entries will not work because: > 1) Those details appear elsewhere on sites we do not control > 2) The spammers already have you on a list, as you are painfully aware Hello everybody, In this case, it is a Debian developer who published private contact information of somebody elese without asking first. We have some sort of collective responsibility here. Even if it is not effective, if there are volunteers to take their time for this email to be removed, that would at least be a kind answer. I clicked the ‘report as spam’ button in the list archives on the web and hope that it will eventually be removed. Cheers, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2009230918.ga13...@merveille.plessy.net
Bug#649811: Publication of copyright-format 1.0, a.k.a DEP 5 (after it is accepted).
Package: www.debian.org Severity: wishlist Dear WWW team, I think that we can be confident that DEP 5's URL will be: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ (see http://bugs.debian.org/640737) and that the debian-policy package will contain the documents in the following files: /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/copyright-format-1.0.html /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/copyright-format-1.0.xml.tar.gz /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/copyright-format-1.0.txt.gz (see http://bugs.debian.org/646119) I propose to discuss in this bug the changes needed on the Debian website to publish DEP 5 when it will be accepted. On the technical side, it looks like the following command in parts/7doc would be sufficient to install the files. Can somebody confirm ? install_policy_doc copyright-format-1.0 packaging-manuals . yes On the WML side, it looks like english/doc/index.wml and english/doc/devel-manuals.wml would need to be modified to list the document. Am I forgetting something ? There is no timeline, but I would like to preapre in advance that everything can go smoothly once the DEP is accepted. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2024010341.gb7...@merveille.plessy.net
Bug#649811: Publication of copyright-format 1.0, a.k.a DEP 5 (after it is accepted).
Le Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:03:41AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : > > I think that we can be confident that DEP 5's URL will be: > > http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ > > (see http://bugs.debian.org/640737) > > and that the debian-policy package will contain the documents in the > following files: > > /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/copyright-format-1.0.html > /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/copyright-format-1.0.xml.tar.gz > /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/copyright-format-1.0.txt.gz > > (see http://bugs.debian.org/646119) > > I propose to discuss in this bug the changes needed on the Debian website to > publish DEP 5 when it will be accepted. > > On the technical side, it looks like the following command in parts/7doc would > be sufficient to install the files. Can somebody confirm ? > > install_policy_doc copyright-format-1.0 packaging-manuals . yes That was blatantly wrong, sorry for the noise. What is needed is more along the following. echo -n " copyright-format/1.0/" install -d -m 2775 $webdocdir/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ zcat dp/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/copyright-format-1.0.txt.gz > dp/copyright-format-1.0.txt install -p -m 664 dp/copyright-format-1.0.txt $webdocdir/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/index.txt install -p -m 664 dp/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/copyright-format-1.0.html $webdocdir/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/index.html One could do more complicated, having the file in $webdocdir/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/copyright-format-1.0.html and $webdocdir/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/index.html linking to it. Please let me know your preference. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2024063933.ga8...@merveille.plessy.net
Bug#649811: Publication of copyright-format 1.0, a.k.a DEP 5 (after it is accepted).
Le Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:31:58PM -0400, David Prévot a écrit : > >> > >> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ > >> > >> /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/copyright-format-1.0.html > >> /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/copyright-format-1.0.xml.tar.gz > >> /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/copyright-format-1.0.txt.gz … > we wanted the version number part of the file (inside the > debian-policy package) to avoid hardcoding it in the web build: we > really would prefer not to change the build each time a new > copyright-format is released (according to the stable update experience, > we can say for sure that what needs to be done will always be forgotten ;-). … > Attached a crappy-untested-improvable patch that should address the > concerns. Once agreed on the text file name in the web tree, and the > patch tested and reviewed (and probably improved ;-), we could even > manage to make it work if and only if copyright-format-*.html actually > exists in the debian-policy package: as soon as the copyright-format-1.0 > will actually be part of the debian-policy package, the file will show > up where it belongs, without any need to coordinate with the webmasters. Hi David, I think that it is an excellent idea to uncouple the logistics of the the document installation and of the document release. In your patch, only one version is expected. In my understanding, old versions will still be distributed in the debian-policy package. But it looks like a for loop could easily allow to install multiple versions on the Debian website, if this is something that people want and agree on. (My opinion: I prefer and agree). For the text version, I am not sure how necessary it is. In my mind, it would have been cool if http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ returned an HTML version or a text version according to the HTTP headers. But distributing the text version under http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/copyright-format-1.0.txt or not distributing it at all are also valid options. I am neutral on this. Bon week-end, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2026072731.gc11...@merveille.plessy.net
Bug#515814: Re: Bug#515814: www.debian.org: Please provide source for pdf-graphics in devel/debian-med/News/2009/20090214.wml
> > Am Dienstag, den 17.02.2009, 20:20 +0100 schrieb Helge Kreutzmann: > >> Package: www.debian.org > >> Severity: wishlist > >> > >> devel/debian-med/News/2009/20090214.wml introduced the new concept of > >> using pdf files[1] for graphics. Could you please provide the source and > >> the makefile logic that localized version can be provided as well? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> [1] devel/debian-med/News/2009/authorstat_med.pdf > >> devel/debian-med/News/2009/dmstats1.pdf Hello everybody, sorry that I completely missed this at the time I was CCed. The files were made by Andreas Tille, and their inclusion was discussed in the following thread. http://lists.debian.org/debian-med/2008/10/msg00040.html Andreas can probably give more details, but following URLs are relevant to the generation of the graphes. http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2009/01/msg00161.html http://people.debian.org/~tille/liststats I think that the PDFs linked in devel/debian-med/News/2009/20090214.wml are well understandable without translation. Therefore, there should be no need for a makefile. For the source, if it is still available, why not committing the data and the script that produces the PDF. (Althouth of course the real source would be a snapshot of the UDD at the time, and the source of that UDD snapshot would be… complex.) On the other hand, if the source is not available anymore, in my understanding it does not make the files non-free. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111230202931.ga4...@merveille.plessy.net
Bug#388141: Handling the copyright mess of the website
Le Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:56:48PM -0400, David Prévot a écrit : > > We could contact every current contributor, and ask them if they are OK to: > - grant copyright of their future contributions to SPI; > - grant copyright of their past contributions to SPI. > … > > Unless someone objects on the principle, we'll start bugging > coordinators with this request. The DPN could give input about the > better approach to handle and draft these request, I don't know if we > need something as formal as the FSF does for translation [0], asking to > reply on the webmaster@d.o address might be enough (it will be archived > on master.d.o), the same way we ask new developers to agree with DMUP. > > 0: http://translationproject.org/html/whydisclaim.html Hello David, I think that the disclaimer to the FSF is not the same as a copyright transfer, and may be actually more appropriate as a starting point (or http://unlicense.org/ ). Otherwise, if you chose copyright transfers (and associated objections, as in my understanding, copyright transfer does not exist in some countries), I think that it would be fair to at least indicate if the license that is considered will be copyleft or not. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120104112053.gd17...@merveille.plessy.net
Changing the footer make obvious that the contact point is a public list ?
Le Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 11:30:36PM +, Raf Czlonka a écrit : > > Even if everyone, e.g. Debian, mail-archive, etc. obfuscated the email > addresses in the headers, you just made sure that your email address > will never be removed/obfuscated in such a way as you put your it in the > body of THIS email... TWICE! Hi Raf, for non-specialists, it is perhaps not obvious that the contact point for the list archive website is itself a publicly archived mailing list… The message that the user pointed out is definitely a spam that can be removed if enough persons push the « Report as spam » button and enough DDs confirm the removal (see http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam ). For the later disclosure of email address on debian-www@lists.debian.org, I think that it is a misfeature on our side. Given the footer on our website, quoted below, we can not oppose our disclaimer as usual (http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#disclaimer) because there is no link to it, nor expect senders to take proper measures to protect their address. To report a problem with the web site, e-mail debian-www@lists.debian.org. For other contact information, see the Debian contact page. Could the footer be changed to something like the following ? To report a problem with the web site, contact us on our publicly archived mailing list http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/";>debian-www@lists.debian.org. For other contact information, see the Debian contact page. PS: the mailto URL to debian-www in the current footer is broken (http://www.debian.org/mailto:debian-www@lists.debian.org). I can report it as a proper bug if needed. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120105000806.gd1...@merveille.plessy.net
Bug#388141: Debian official web site is still non-free
Le Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 11:17:02PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > > I'm under the *impression* that an important amount of people objecting > copyright assignments do so to avoid the risk that their contributions > get re-licensed under terms that go against their moral beliefs about > software freedom. That is why I won't sign a copyright assignment to a > for-profit entity. Hi Stefano, in my understanding, there is still a big difference between copyright assignment and re-licensing, even if we trust the license to be free. - In the case of assignment, the author has to comply with the license chosen by SPI. - In the case of re-licensing, the author can still use his work under the license he prefers. Imagine for example that I write for the Debian Med project's pages a short explanation of what ‘biological sequence alignment’ means. In that case, I would like to keep the option to re-use my work freely. However, if the website were copylefted, and if I would transfer my copyright, this would restrict my possibilities to re-use my own work. For that reason, I think that copyright assignment and choice of license can not be separated. Which is another good reason to go for relicensing or copyright disclaiming instead. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120109013219.ga18...@merveille.plessy.net
Bug#388141: Ask contributors a permission to relicense
Le Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 02:45:20PM -0400, David Prévot a écrit : > > Since the “web team” is not a clearly defined entity, I propose, for > legal purpose, that the license choice stays ours but we mandate the > Debian project leader to publicly announce it once we have decided the > accurate license(s) (thus there is another safeguard: the “web team” > won't choose a silly license without a formal acknowledgement of the > Debian project by the voice of its leader). > > ——— > > Subject: Permission to relicense my work on the Debian website > > I hereby give permission to relicense my work — which consist of > edition or translation of portions of text from one human language to > another human language, that I have provided to the Debian website or > that I will provide in the future — to any DFSG compatible license as > chosen by the web team, and announced by the Debian project leader. > > ——— Dear David, I would definitely agree with the above. This said, it may be even simpler to make the contributors relicence themselves. For instance: I hereby license my past and future contributions to the Debian website, which consist of edition or translation of portions of text from one human language to another human language, under the DFSG compatible license that will be announced by the Debian project leader on the debian-devel-announce diffusion list in his next message titled “New license for the Debian website”. This removes questions such as “do we have the right to give the right to relicence”, or “what if in 10 years the website is re-relicensed with terms that I will not like (because the DFSG will have been amended)”, etc. One last comment – I realise that I gave many more than average – is that the contributors sometimes contribute some programmatic work as makefiles or perhaps patches to some scripts. If applicable, the relicensing would be even more simplified by targetting all contributions to the webwml repository. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120116040509.ga10...@anx191.gsc.riken.jp
Re: Bug#388141: Let's ask for a relicensing agreement
Le Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 01:09:08PM -0400, David Prévot a écrit : > > I propose to send them the following message, and will gladly accept > your remarks before actually sending it: > > ——— > > --8<--8<-- > > I hereby give permission to relicense all the material that I have > provided to the Debian website under the terms of the MIT (Expat) > License and of the GNU General Public License, version 2 and any later > version. Bonjour David, I think that it should be MIT *or* GPL-2+, to match the license of the new files. I will be happy to sign this. In case permissions to relicense have no formal value, I will in addition sign the same same text, with “give permission to” removed. Cheers, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120126001235.ga11...@dunkklar.org
Re: Bug#388141: Let's ask for a relicensing agreement
> --8<--8<-- > > I hereby give permission to relicense all the material that I have > provided to the Debian website under the terms of the MIT (Expat) > License and/or of the GNU General Public License, version 2 and any > later version. > > -->8-->8-- > > A bit pedantic but safer... Any thought? Hi all, I do not see the need for the following complications: 1) giving the permission to relicense instead of relicensing directly. 2) complex license semantics where one can write: license is “MIT or GPL-2+”. I have not seen anywhere else asymetric uses of “and” and “or” depending on who is the donor and who is the receiver. For instance, “GPL-2” is always “or (at your option) any later…”. Why not simply: --8<--8<-- The material that I have provided to the Debian website is hereby licensed under the terms of the MIT (Expat) License or, at your option, of the GNU General Public License; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. --8<--8<-- This paraphrases the terms on http://www.debian.org/license, therefore bringing full compatibility. Note that by practical purposes, “MIT or GPL-2+” is a license of its own. Otherwise, one would not be able to drop the MIT terms because it states “The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.” See http://jquery.org/license/ for another example of “MIT or GPL” code. Debian receives and redistributes it as MIT or GPL. Therefore, it is also possible for Debian to receive contributions under “MIT or GPL-2+” and redistribute them under the same terms, without having to drop one of the terms. Cheers, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120127140513.ga16...@merveille.plessy.net
Re: Bug#388141: Let's ask for a relicensing agreement
Le Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 09:06:43PM +0200, Andrei Popescu a écrit : > On Vi, 27 ian 12, 23:05:13, Charles Plessy wrote: > > > > I have not seen anywhere else asymetric uses of “and” and “or” depending on > > who is the donor and who is the receiver. For instance, “GPL-2” is always > > “or (at your option) any later…”. > > Disagree. As far as I understood the choice of dual licensing for the > entire site is intentional. > > For this to work *all* contributors have to agree to *both* MIT/Expat > and GPL-2+. Otherwise, because of the copyleft nature of the GPL, the > site will be GPL *only* even if only a small part is not dual licensed. For the relicensing, I think that the agreeing side is the reverse. Past contributors do not have to agree. They own the copyright of their contribution. Debian has to agree with the license they chose, or refuse the contribution. If the contributors propose as a license, that Debian and any other recipient can use, at their option, the MIT or the GPL-2+, then Debian can redistribute these contribution under the same terms. I think that there will be much confusion if we ask people to license their work under “MIT and GPL-2+” and then release it under “MIT or GPL-2+”. The intention is to make the contributors work available under the terms written at http://www.debian.org/license, and to achieve this, I think that there is no necessity to do some flip-flop with “and” and “or”. This is well underlined by the fact that that when people exchange contributions under the GPL-2+, the terms are always “or (at your option) any later…”. Wouldn't it be inconsistent to ask relicensing under “MIT and (GPL-2 or GPL-3+)” ? Have a nice Sunday, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120129082753.gd28...@merveille.plessy.net
Re: Bug#639663: [debian-policy] Please provide upgrading-checklist via web
Le Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 09:58:37AM -0800, Russ Allbery a écrit : > > My first inclination would be to change the debian-policy package to stop > generating the broken-down version of the upgrading-checklist that has > multiple HTML files (there doesn't seem to be much point for that > document), generate the one-page HTML version as just > upgrading-checklist.html, and put it into the debian-policy.html directory > instead of at the top level. Then, the links to Policy can just be to the > individual ch-*.html files and are relative within a directory, which will > make them work on both www.debian.org and on local disk. > > The drawback to this, though, is that upgrading-checklist links to other > policies then don't work or are quite a bit harder. Dear all, I think that despite this drawback it is a good thing to do, better be able to link cleanly to the Policy than to not be able to link cleanly anywhere at all. Here is a not-so-elegant patch that moves upgrading-checklist-1.html to policy.html/upgrading-checklist.html. The SGML version is not distributed anymore but could be added back if you prefer. The location of the compressed text version does not change, so the upgrading checklist would be the only document where the HTML and text versions are not side-to-side in the same directory. If you think this is troublesome, maybe it could be solved with a symbolic link ? Have a nice Sunday. -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan >From 07cc2a26a4594f02370697b2644350520c0c2ed3 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Charles Plessy Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:24:29 +0900 Subject: [PATCH] Relocation of the upgrading checklist. - Move the hypertext upgrading checklist to the policy.html directory. - Stop building and distributing the multi-page HTML version. - Stop distributing the SGML version in the binary package. - The location of the compressed text version does not change. Note that the upgrading checklist must be built before policy.html.tar.gz, otherwise it will not be included in the binary package. Closes: #639663 --- Makefile |4 debian/rules | 12 2 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile index 1f3675c..18d88b9 100644 --- a/Makefile +++ b/Makefile @@ -24,6 +24,10 @@ perl-policy.sgml: version.ent mv $*-1d.html/index.html $*-1.html && \ rmdir $*-1d.html +policy.html/upgrading-checklist.html: upgrading-checklist.sgml + LANG=C debiandoc2html -1 -b policy/upgrading-checklist upgrading-checklist.sgml && \ + mv policy.html/upgrading-checklist-index.html policy.html/upgrading-checklist.html + %.html.tar.gz: %.html/index.html tar -czf $(<:/index.html=.tar.gz) $(<:/index.html=) diff --git a/debian/rules b/debian/rules index d5d93cf..f2130a8 100755 --- a/debian/rules +++ b/debian/rules @@ -32,7 +32,7 @@ LIBDIR := $(TMPTOP)/usr/share/doc-base sanitycheck := debian/rules policy.sgml -SGML_FILES := policy menu-policy perl-policy upgrading-checklist +SGML_FILES := policy menu-policy perl-policy DESC_FILES := copyright-format-1.0 debian-policy debian-menu-policy \ debian-perl-policy debconf-spec fhs @@ -54,7 +54,8 @@ POLICY_FILES = $(SGML_FILES:=.sgml) $(SGML_FILES:=.txt.gz) \ debconf_spec/debconf_specification.html \ debconf_spec/debconf_specification.txt.gz \ policy.ps.gz policy.pdf.gz README.txt README.html \ - Process.txt Process.html + Process.txt Process.html \ + upgrading-checklist.txt.gz FILES_FROM_ORG := Process.html Process.txt README.txt README.html @@ -69,7 +70,8 @@ FILES_TO_CLEAN = copyright-format-1.0.xml.tar.gz \ debconf_specification.xml.tar.gz \ policy.pdf policy.ps policy.txt policy. \ body.tmp head.tmp policy.tpt \ - $(FILES_FROM_ORG) + $(FILES_FROM_ORG) \ + upgrading-checklist.txt.gz STAMPS_TO_CLEAN := stamp-policy stamp-build DIRS_TO_CLEAN := debian/tmp fhs $(SGML_FILES:=.html) @@ -83,7 +85,9 @@ make_directory := install -p -d -o root -g root -m 755 all build build-indep: stamp-build build-arch: stamp-build: version.ent $(sanitycheck) - $(MAKE) $(SGML_FILES:=.sgml.validate) \ + $(MAKE) policy.html/upgrading-checklist.html \ + upgrading-checklist.txt.gz \ + $(SGML_FILES:=.sgml.validate) \ $(SGML_FILES:=.html.tar.gz) \ $(SGML_FILES:=-1.html) \ $(SGML_FILES:=.txt.gz) \ -- 1.7.9
Re: Upcoming Policy plans
Le Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 08:21:31PM -0800, Russ Allbery a écrit : > David Prévot writes: > > > There is something else I didn't thought earlier: with the conversion > > from DebianDoc to DocBook, the HTML pages and anchors names will change. > > We would like to prepare the accurate redirections in order to deploy > > them as soon as possible with the updated Policy. If I understood > > correctly, it won't be in the version you'll publish next week, but in a > > later one, so there is no hurry (we already prepared such redirections > > for other documents recently converted, so it shouldn't be too > > difficult). > > Correct, this will be a challenge for everyone, and will definitely want > to be something that we'll want to talk through. Hello everybody, in my understanding, most of the the anchor names are derived from id attributes and not autogenerated, so we can keep them constant during the conversion. Apart from the footnote anchors, for which I think we do not manage stability from one version to the other with DebianDoc, this leaves 57 (grep -P 'name="s\d' policy.html/*l | wc -l) autogenerated anchors names. We could chose to hardcode them as ids, but I like the idear to redirect them as David proposed, as it will allow more meaningful anchor names. Have a nice week-end, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120303101031.ga20...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: Persian Language not Farsi language
Le Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:45:58PM +0430, mostafa hashemi a écrit : > > dear site manager. > in debian site our language is FARSI فارسی > instead of PARSI or PERSIAN or پارسی > (Farsi is Arabic Pronunciation of Persian). > please make it correct. > thank you. > > best wishes. > Hashemi Mostafa Dear Mostafa, Debian's homepage on www.debian.org already indicates "فارسی (Farsi)". Please indicate us the page you found the error you reported. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120715225144.ga16...@falafel.plessy.net
Bug#683616: www.debian.org: Please document usage of usertags on bugs pages
Le Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 10:37:37AM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl a écrit : > Package: www.debian.org > > It seems that the usage of usertags is not documented anywhere on > www.debian.org/Bugs/. At least http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control > should mention, that one can set them by specifing "user " (if > different from sender) and setting them via "usertag ". Hello everybody, not sure in which direction to merge, but there is a similar request reported to the bugs.debian.org pseudopackage. http://bugs.debian.org/351746#69 Cheers, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120802090014.gb17...@falafel.plessy.net
Do we still need to mention the "Debian Packagint Manual" in /doc/devel-manuals ?
Hello everybody, I was looking at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals, and found that the entry about the Debian Packaging Manual was outdated and contradictory, where the description says that it does not overlap with the Policy and the status field explains that it was merged to the Policy. In addition, the package packaging-manual is not available anymore, and the website does not redistribute the manual. How about removing the entry entirely ? Have a nice week-end, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120804022521.gc23...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: http://www.debian.org/intro/organization updates
Le Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:38:47AM +0200, Holger Wansing a écrit : > > --- organization.data 2012-07-07 20:37:52.481456294 +0200 > +++ organization_workingcopy.data 2012-08-12 10:32:42.203202139 +0200 > @@ -395,7 +395,6 @@ > Russ Allbery > Bill Allombert > Andrew McMillan > -Manoj Srivastava > Colin Watson >http://dsa.debian.org/";> domain="organization">System Administration> debian-ad...@lists.debian.org> 20111017111338.ga5...@upsilon.cc> > This is the address to use when > encountering problems on one of Debian's machines, including password > problems or you need a package installed.> > > > > At least Manoj should be removed from the policy team. > To reflect the actual situation via delegation mails, it would > be necessary to list 3 delegation mail urls (since the situation > has changed several times, and only the summary of all 3 mails > reflects the actual situation. Maybe it would be worse to > fire out a new deletation mail). Actually, while we are at it, perhaps we could ask to the current delegates if they would like to continue or to be replaced, because not all of them are active. Cheers, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120812094244.gb19...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: Do we still need to mention the "Debian Packagint Manual" in /doc/devel-manuals ?
Le Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 11:25:21AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : > > I was looking at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals, and found that the > entry about the Debian Packaging Manual was outdated and contradictory, where > the description says that it does not overlap with the Policy and the status > field explains that it was merged to the Policy. In addition, the package > packaging-manual is not available anymore, and the website does not > redistribute the manual. > > How about removing the entry entirely ? Hi again, how about the attached patch ? For up-to-date translations, it increments the revision number, and leaves it unchanged otherwise. Please let me know if I can commit it. Have a nice Sunday, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan Index: danish/doc/devel-manuals.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/danish/doc/devel-manuals.wml,v retrieving revision 1.57 diff -u -r1.57 devel-manuals.wml --- danish/doc/devel-manuals.wml 6 Mar 2012 01:00:45 - 1.57 +++ danish/doc/devel-manuals.wml 26 Aug 2012 03:11:21 - @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ #use wml::debian::ddp title="DDP's udviklerhåndbøger" -#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.64" +#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.65" #include "$(ENGLISHDIR)/doc/manuals.defs" #include "$(ENGLISHDIR)/doc/devel-manuals.defs" @@ -58,31 +58,6 @@ - - - - - Denne håndbog beskriver de tekniske aspekter ved fremstillingen af - Debians binære- og kildekodepakker. Den dokumenterer også grænsefladen - mellem dselect og dettes adgangsscripts. Håndbogen behandler ikke - Debian-projekets retningslinier, og den forudsætter kendskab til dpkg's - funktionalitet fra en systemadministrators perspektiv. - - - - - Delene som var de facto-retningslinier blev for nylig flettet ind i - debian-policy; resten er planlagt til at blive indkluderet i en ny - 'dpkg pakningshåndbog', som Wichert Akkerman vil skrive. - - - Tidligere tilgængelig i pakken packaging-manual. - - - - - - Index: dutch/doc/devel-manuals.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/dutch/doc/devel-manuals.wml,v retrieving revision 1.37 diff -u -r1.37 devel-manuals.wml --- dutch/doc/devel-manuals.wml 6 Mar 2012 01:00:46 - 1.37 +++ dutch/doc/devel-manuals.wml 26 Aug 2012 03:11:23 - @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ #use wml::debian::ddp title="DDP Handleidingen voor Ontwikkelaars" #include "$(ENGLISHDIR)/doc/manuals.defs" #include "$(ENGLISHDIR)/doc/devel-manuals.defs" -#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.64" +#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.65" # Last Translation Update by $Author: taffit $ # Last Translation Update at $Date: 2012-03-06 01:00:46 $ @@ -64,31 +64,6 @@ - - - - - Deze handleiding beschrijft de technische aspecten van het aanmaken van - binaire en broncodepakketten voor Debian. Het documenteert ook de interface - tussen dselect en zijn toegangsscripts. Het behandelt geen Debian - Policy-vereisten en het veronderstelt dat u vertrouwd bent met de functies - van dpkg vanuit het standpunt van systeembeheerder. - - - - - Delen die defacto-beleid zijn, zijn recent in debian-policy geïncorporeerd; - de rest is gepland om in een nieuwe `dpkg packaging manual' te komen, die - zal worden geschreven door Wichert Akkerman. - - - Voorheen beschikbaar in het packaging-manual-pakket. - - - - - - Index: english/doc/devel-manuals.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/doc/devel-manuals.wml,v retrieving revision 1.64 diff -u -r1.64 devel-manuals.wml --- english/doc/devel-manuals.wml 6 Mar 2012 01:00:48 - 1.64 +++ english/doc/devel-manuals.wml 26 Aug 2012 03:11:24 - @@ -60,31 +60,6 @@ - - - - - This manual describes the technical aspects of creating Debian binary - and source packages. It also documents the interface between dselect - and its access method scripts. It does not deal with the Debian - Project policy requirements, and it assumes familiarity with dpkg's - functions from the system administrator's perspective. - - - - - Parts that were de facto policy were recently merged into debian-policy; - the rest is planned to be included in a new `dpkg packaging manual', to - be written by Wichert Akkerman. - - - Previously available in the packaging-manual package. - - - - - - Index: finnish/doc/devel-manuals.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/finnish/doc/devel-manuals.wml,v retrieving revision 1.47 diff -u -r1.47 devel-manuals.wml --- finnish/doc/devel-manuals.wml 7 Apr 2012 21:16:53 - 1.47 +++ finnish/doc/devel-manuals.w
Re: Do we still need to mention the "Debian Packagint Manual" in /doc/devel-manuals ?
Le Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 11:35:48PM -0400, David Prévot a écrit : > > Seems fine, thanks, but could you please also add it back to the > obsolete page [0] instead of removing it completely? > > 0: http://www.debian.org/doc/obsolete I propose to first transfer the description in all languages as in the attached patch, to save tranlators from redoing the first paragraph from scratch, and then apply the following change in English only, replacing: Parts that were de facto policy were recently merged into debian-policy; the rest is planned to be included in a new `dpkg packaging manual', to be written by Wichert Akkerman. Previously available in the packaging-manual package. by : Parts that were de facto policy were merged into debian-policy. Is that good ? Cheers, -- Charles Index: ./danish/doc/obsolete.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/danish/doc/obsolete.wml,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 obsolete.wml --- ./danish/doc/obsolete.wml 26 May 2011 10:04:03 - 1.12 +++ ./danish/doc/obsolete.wml 26 Aug 2012 04:01:26 - @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ #use wml::debian::template title="Forældet dokumentation" -#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.13" +#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.14" #include "$(ENGLISHDIR)/doc/manuals.defs" Historiske dokumenter @@ -318,6 +318,31 @@ + + + + + + + Denne håndbog beskriver de tekniske aspekter ved fremstillingen af + Debians binære- og kildekodepakker. Den dokumenterer også grænsefladen + mellem dselect og dettes adgangsscripts. Håndbogen behandler ikke + Debian-projekets retningslinier, og den forudsætter kendskab til dpkg's + funktionalitet fra en systemadministrators perspektiv. + + + + + Delene som var de facto-retningslinier blev for nylig flettet ind i + debian-policy; resten er planlagt til at blive indkluderet i en ny + 'dpkg pakningshåndbog', som Wichert Akkerman vil skrive. + + + Tidligere tilgængelig i pakken packaging-manual. + + + + Forskellig dokumentation Index: ./english/doc/obsolete.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/doc/obsolete.wml,v retrieving revision 1.13 diff -u -r1.13 obsolete.wml --- ./english/doc/obsolete.wml 26 May 2011 10:05:29 - 1.13 +++ ./english/doc/obsolete.wml 26 Aug 2012 04:01:26 - @@ -313,6 +313,31 @@ + + + + + + + This manual describes the technical aspects of creating Debian binary + and source packages. It also documents the interface between dselect + and its access method scripts. It does not deal with the Debian + Project policy requirements, and it assumes familiarity with dpkg's + functions from the system administrator's perspective. + + + + + Parts that were de facto policy were recently merged into debian-policy; + the rest is planned to be included in a new `dpkg packaging manual', to + be written by Wichert Akkerman. + + + Previously available in the packaging-manual package. + + + + Miscellaneous documentation Index: ./finnish/doc/obsolete.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/finnish/doc/obsolete.wml,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 obsolete.wml --- ./finnish/doc/obsolete.wml 26 May 2011 10:05:58 - 1.12 +++ ./finnish/doc/obsolete.wml 26 Aug 2012 04:01:27 - @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ #use wml::debian::template title="Vanhentuneet oppaat" #include "$(ENGLISHDIR)/doc/manuals.defs" -#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.13" +#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.14" Historialliset oppaat @@ -312,6 +312,31 @@ + + + + + + + Tämä opas kertoo Debianin binääri- ja lähdekoodipakettien luomiseen + liittyvistä teknisistä näkökohdista. Se dokumentoi myös dselect:in ja + sen hakutoimintoskriptien välistä liittymää. Se ei käsittele + Debian-projektin linjausten vaatimuksia, ja olettaa dpkg:n + toimintojen tuntemista järjestelmän ylläpitäjän näkökulmasta. + + + + + Osat jotka olivat de facto-käytäntöä yhdistettiin äskettäin + debian-policy-oppaaseen; loput on suunniteltu liitettäväksi + uuteen `dpkg-pakettioppaaseen', jonka kirjoittaa Wichert Akkerman. + + + Ollut aiemmin saatavilla packaging-manual-paketissa. + + + + Sekalaiset oppaat Index: ./french/doc/obsolete.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/french/doc/obsolete.wml,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 obsolete.wml --- ./french/doc/obsolete.wml 26 May 2011 10:06:15 - 1.12 +++ ./french/doc/obsolete.wml 26 Aug 2012 04:01:27 - @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ #use wml::debian::template title="Documentation obsolète" #include "$(ENGLISHDIR)/doc/manuals.defs" -#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.13" maintainer="Nicolas Bertolissio" +#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.14" maintai
Re: DFSG-free relicensing of the Debian logo(s)
Le Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 05:36:04PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > > We've also been advised not to relicense the "with 'Debian'" logo under > a so-called "liberal" license like the Expat license. Hi Stefano, thanks a lot for solving that embarassing situation with our logo's license. Just for our education, what is the rationale behind this recommendation of SFLC/SPI ? Cheers, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120828083622.ga12...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: Current status of switching to something besides CVS?
Le Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 05:31:06PM -0400, David Prévot a écrit : > > Agreed: the inconvenience of playing with submodules is probably not > worth the effort. The main (only?) two issues to be fixed in order to > consider the switch from CVS to Git are probably: > - adapt the current translation-check codes to use sha1 sums instead; Hi all, an alternative is to emulate CVS revisions by using keyword expansions. http://git-scm.com/book/en/Customizing-Git-Git-Attributes#Keyword-Expansion Apparently this would need two sets of change: - Implement the Git configuration to emulate CVS revisions, - Change the scripts that get the revsision number, as they do this via CVS, not just by parsing the files. Have a nice week-end, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120907235657.ga25...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: ditching the official use logo?
Le Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 09:04:12AM -0400, David Prévot a écrit : > Le 01/10/2012 06:40, Bart Martens a écrit : > > On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 12:27:37PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > >> Note for those who have never looked into this: the "official use" logo > >> is the one with the bottle. > > > >> My personal take on it is that we should simply > >> ditch it, focusing on a single logo (the "open use" one) with a > >> DFSG-free license, that we do now have. > > > > I don't object against ditching the logo with the bottle. I don't object > > against keeping it around either. Maybe if people want to keep it around > > for > > nostalgic reasons it can be kept available on the website as the "former > > official logo" with a nice story about its history or so. > > The www.d.o website use to keep online “archive” content, so I guess it > would be fine, but I'm not thrilled by the idea to keep non-free content > online inside our official website, maybe other people will have more > comments. About the “nice story about its history”, proposals will be > welcome ;). Hello everybody, I think it would be good to discontinue the "Debian Official Use Logo" if we agree that it is causing more problems than it solves. To avoid keeping non-free material in the current website, maybe it can point instead to the CVS archive? Then the official logo can be mentionned very briefly, for instance. Debian used to have an "official use logo" (see http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/english/logos/officiallogo-50.jpg for example), but does not recommend it anymore as its license is not free. Cheers, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121008135556.gg7...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: Lack of SSL for Debian Wiki login (was: Re: wiki.debian.org password reset)
Le Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 01:41:49AM +, Luca Filipozzi a écrit : > > OTOH, I'd argue that if one wishes to maintain content at wiki.debian.org, > then > one should understand the basics of PKI. What do you think? Hi Luca, how about Debian Single Sign On (https://sso.debian.org) ? Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130107020217.ga31...@falafel.plessy.net
Bug#703237: packages.debian.org: Inverted 'experimental' and 'rc-buggy'.
Package: www.debian.org
Severity: minor
Hello everybody,
I just realised that packages.debian.org inverts 'experimental' and 'rc-buggy'.
Its list of suites is 'stable', 'testing', 'unstable' and 'rc-buggy', and its
list of aliases is 'squeeze', 'wheezy', 'sid', and 'experimental', while
'rc-buggy' is the Toy Story name and 'experimental' is the plain English name.
I think that it creates confusion in the search page as in the
following example.
Package euca2ools
* squeeze (stable) (utils): managing cloud instances for Eucalyptus
1.2-1: all
* wheezy (testing) (utils): managing cloud instances for Eucalyptus
2.0.2-1: all
* sid (unstable) (utils): managing cloud instances for Eucalyptus
2.0.2-1: all
* experimental (rc-buggy) (utils): managing cloud instances for Eucalyptus
2.1.3-1~experimental1: all
The inversion makes it more difficult to understand that 'rc-buggy' is a code
name, and suggests that the package has RC bugs, which is not the case.
I looked at the code of p.d.o, and wonder if the attached patch would mitigate
the problem by inverting 'experimental' and 'rc-buggy'.
Have a nice day,
--
Charles Plessy
Tsurumi, Kangawa, Japan
>From ec6a49249b2d3e39af5fee41d5c2f3be316347db Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Charles Plessy
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 21:37:44 +0900
Subject: [PATCH] Invert 'experimental' and 'rc-buggy'.
Before this patch, the list of suites is 'stable', 'testing', 'unstable' and
'rc-buggy', and the list of aliases is 'squeeze', 'wheezy', 'sid', and
'experimental', while 'rc-buggy' is the Toy Story name and 'experimental' is
the plain English name. This patch corrects this inversion.
---
lib/Deb/Versions.pm | 2 +-
lib/Packages/Dispatcher.pm | 2 +-
lib/Packages/Search.pm | 2 +-
templates/config/archive_layout.tmpl | 2 +-
templates/html/download.tmpl | 2 +-
templates/html/show.tmpl | 4 ++--
6 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
diff --git a/lib/Deb/Versions.pm b/lib/Deb/Versions.pm
index 0e37ab2..9ac24e0 100644
--- a/lib/Deb/Versions.pm
+++ b/lib/Deb/Versions.pm
@@ -179,7 +179,7 @@ our @SUITES_SORT = qw(
squeeze
testing testing-proposed-updates
wheezy
- sid unstable experimental
+ sid unstable rc-buggy experimental
warty hoary breezy dapper edgy feisty gutsy hardy
intrepid jaunty karmic lucid maverick);
our @ARCHIVE_SORT = qw( non-US security updates volatile backports );
diff --git a/lib/Packages/Dispatcher.pm b/lib/Packages/Dispatcher.pm
index 40a56f2..fbbc55c 100755
--- a/lib/Packages/Dispatcher.pm
+++ b/lib/Packages/Dispatcher.pm
@@ -67,7 +67,7 @@ sub do_dispatch {
my %SUITES_ALIAS = ( stable => 'squeeze',
testing => 'wheezy',
unstable => 'sid',
- 'rc-buggy' => 'experimental',
+ 'experimental' => 'rc-buggy',
'6.0' => 'squeeze',
'stable-backports' => 'squeeze-backports' );
diff --git a/lib/Packages/Search.pm b/lib/Packages/Search.pm
index 3a47e3d..f9b2983 100644
--- a/lib/Packages/Search.pm
+++ b/lib/Packages/Search.pm
@@ -105,7 +105,7 @@ sub fallback_suite {
my $suite = shift;
if ($suite =~ /^(\S+)-(?:updates|backports|volatile)/) {
return $1;
-} elsif ($suite eq 'experimental') {
+} elsif ($suite eq 'rc-buggy') {
return 'sid';
} else {
return undef;
diff --git a/templates/config/archive_layout.tmpl b/templates/config/archive_layout.tmpl
index 0026175..a727a6a 100644
--- a/templates/config/archive_layout.tmpl
+++ b/templates/config/archive_layout.tmpl
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
squeeze => 'stable',
wheezy => 'testing',
sid => 'unstable',
- experimental => 'rc-buggy',
+ rc-buggy => 'experimental',
}
section_titles = {
diff --git a/templates/html/download.tmpl b/templates/html/download.tmpl
index 9a93047..89e445b 100644
--- a/templates/html/download.tmpl
+++ b/templates/html/download.tmpl
@@ -38,7 +38,7 @@ deb http://[% mirrors.$archive.europa.0 %] [% suite %] main [% section
[% g('Replacing %s with the mirror in question.', mirrors.$archive.europa.0) %]
[%- END %]
-[% IF suite == "experimental" %]
+[% IF suite == "rc-buggy" %]
[% g('Experimental package') %]
[% g('Warning: This package is from the experimental distribution. That means it is likely unstable or buggy, and it may even cause data loss. Please be sure to consult the changelog and other possible documentation before using it.') %]
[% END %]
diff --git a/templates/html/show.tmpl b/templates/html/show.tmpl
index 5d7bec3..0c4d73f 100644
--- a/templates/html/show.tmpl
+++ b/templates/html/show.tmpl
@@ -166,9 +166,9 @@
[% END %]
-[% IF suite == "experimental" || subsection == "debian-installer" %]
+[% IF suite == "rc-buggy" || subsection == "debian-installer" %]
-[% IF suite == "experimental" %]
+[% IF suite == "rc-buggy" %]
[% changelog_link = 'changelog';
changelog_link = "$changelogs_url$files.changelog.path" %]
[% g('Experimental package') %]
--
1.8.2.rc0
Re: missing release notes under development
Le Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:44:37PM +0100, Daniel Thiele a écrit : > > I can not find the release notes under development. On page > > http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleaseFAQ > > there is a link: > > "Release documentation is handled by debian-doc? Release notes under > development at: http://cvs.debian.org/ddp/manuals.sgml/release- > notes/en/release-notes.en.sgml?cvsroot=debian-doc" Dear Daniel, thank you for your report, I changed the link to the following. http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/ddp/manuals/trunk/release-notes/en/ Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130318234007.ga9...@falafel.plessy.net
Listing the "Debian Installer internals" manual on http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals ?
Hello everybody, how about listing the "Debian Installer internals" manual on http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals ? If you like the idea I can propose a patch or commit directly. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130320023324.gc30...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: Listing the "Debian Installer internals" manual on http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals ?
Le Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:09:12PM -0400, David Prévot a écrit : > Le 19/03/2013 22:33, Charles Plessy a écrit : > > > how about listing the "Debian Installer internals" manual on > > Care to provide background, a link? > > > http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals ? > > Redirecting to the appropriate list, as per <http://www.debian.org/doc/ddp>. Ah sorry, I forgot the link. http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/internals/ The doc/devel-manuals page on www.debian.org contains manuals that are not maintained by the DDP, so I did not think that there is a need to discuss something on the debian-doc mailing list. Sorry if I missed some procedures. PS: My feeling is that answers starting by "Care to ?" (like the ones finishing by "kthxbye") are irritated, and are a predictor for further difficulties, so I will not move the idea further unless invited to do so. Cheers, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130320033105.gd30...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: Listing the "Debian Installer internals" manual on http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals ?
Le Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:52:11AM +0100, Samuel Thibault a écrit : > Charles Plessy, le Wed 20 Mar 2013 11:33:24 +0900, a écrit : > > how about listing the "Debian Installer internals" manual on > > http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals ? > > That can probably be useful, as we now and then get people asking how to > work with the installer, even if that's indeed documented. > > > If you like the idea I can propose a patch or commit directly. > > Please commit. Thanks for the feedback. Here is the patch that I am ready to commit in the absence of suggestions of problems. Index: devel-manuals.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/doc/devel-manuals.wml,v retrieving revision 1.65 diff -u -r1.65 devel-manuals.wml --- devel-manuals.wml 29 Aug 2012 21:41:56 - 1.65 +++ devel-manuals.wml 20 Mar 2013 13:56:08 - @@ -257,3 +257,25 @@ + + + + + + + This document is intended to make Debian Installer more accessible to new + developers and as a central location to document technical information. + + + + + + ready + + + http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/internals/";>HTML online. + http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/d-i/trunk/manual/";>DocBook source online. + + + + Index: index.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/doc/index.wml,v retrieving revision 1.97 diff -u -r1.97 index.wml --- index.wml 26 Jan 2013 00:54:29 - 1.97 +++ index.wml 20 Mar 2013 13:56:08 - @@ -96,6 +96,7 @@ Debian Project History Debiandoc-SGML Markup Manual Debian SGML/XML HOWTO + Debian Installer internals Cheers, -- Charles > > Samuel > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130320095211.gc6...@type.bordeaux.inria.fr -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130320135808.ga...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: Listing the "Debian Installer internals" manual on http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals ?
Le Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:51:28AM +0100, Samuel Thibault a écrit : > Charles Plessy, le Wed 20 Mar 2013 22:58:08 +0900, a écrit : > > Le Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:52:11AM +0100, Samuel Thibault a écrit : > > > Charles Plessy, le Wed 20 Mar 2013 11:33:24 +0900, a écrit : > > > > how about listing the "Debian Installer internals" manual on > > > > http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals ? > > > > > > That can probably be useful, as we now and then get people asking how to > > > work with the installer, even if that's indeed documented. > > > > > > > If you like the idea I can propose a patch or commit directly. > > > > > > Please commit. > > > > Thanks for the feedback. Here is the patch that I am ready to commit in the > > absence of suggestions of problems. > > > > + http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/internals/";>HTML > > online. > > + http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/d-i/trunk/manual/";>DocBook > > source online. > > The latter does not look like the source of the former :) > > http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=d-i/debian-installer.git;a=tree;f=doc/devel/internals Thanks for pointing this out ! I corrected and commited the addition of the "Debian Installer internals" manual to the "DDP Developers' Manuals" page (/doc/devel-manuals.en.html#d-i-internals). Bon dimanche, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130324084352.ga24...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: Current Roadblocks to transitioning from CVS to git
Hi all, there may also be some useful information on the wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/WebsiteVCSEvaluation Cheers, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130516015325.ga17...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: help
Le Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 01:48:46PM +0530, Kausik Paul a écrit : > sir, >please help me to choose correct debian distridution package. in my > laptop there is intel core 2 duo T6570 @2.10Ghz processor. Dear Paul, both the ‘32-bit PC (i386)’ and ‘64-bit PC (amd64)’ versions of Wheezy, our current stable version, will work on your computer. In doubt, use the 64-bit version. http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual Please note that you have contacted the debian-www mailing list, which is for developing the Debian website. For further questions on how to use or install Debian, please post to a user mailign list. http://lists.debian.org/users.html Have a nice week-end, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130908003951.ga18...@falafel.plessy.net
Instructions about ports on the front page (was: Re: help).
Le Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 01:48:46PM +0530, Kausik Paul a écrit : > sir, >please help me to choose correct debian distridution package. in my > laptop there is intel core 2 duo T6570 @2.10Ghz processor. Hello everybody, related ot Paul's question, I note that the front page contains the following: People who use systems other than Intel x86 should check the ports section. How about replacing it by the following: Modern PC computers run the “64-bit PC (amd64)” version of Debian. People who need a 32-bit system or use systems other than PC should check the ports section. I do not feel particularly inspired; there must be a better wording. Anyway, the take home message is that “x86” is less and less likely to mean something to people. Despite the ambiguity between PC in general and PC as the systems descending from the original IBM PC computers, I think that it is less confusing than “Intel x86”. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130908010559.gb18...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: Instructions about ports on the front page
Le Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 10:37:43AM +0200, Holger Wansing a écrit :
> David Prévot wrote:
> > Le 07/09/2013 21:05, Charles Plessy a écrit :
> >
> > > I note that the front page contains the following:
> > >
> > > People who use systems other than Intel x86 should check the ports
> > > section.
> > >
> > > How about replacing it by the following:
> >
> > How about simply deleting it? The port section may not be the best entry
> > point for users, especially those who are seeking for an installation media.
>
> Then it would be senseful instead, to add a hint to the ports page on the
> distrib section? (distrib would be the section, where people will most likely
> go from the front page when preparing for an installation)
> On http://www.debian.org/distrib/, there are direct download links for
> i386 and amd64. But nothing about other archs.
Hi Holger,
Given the structure of /distrib, I think that it would not be a good idea: the
/ports page does not contain direct links for installation on non-PC
architectures, while the page /distrib/netinst proeminently linked from
/distrib ("Download an installation image") does. The result would be to
divert people looking for non-PC images into the wrong page.
Given that the front page already contains another link to the /ports page, I
agree with David that the simplest would be to delete the entry in the "Getting
Started" section.
Have a nice day,
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Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan
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Minor suggestion to save one line on the front page.
Hello everybody, while staring at our front page, I saw: The latest stable release of Debian is 7.1. The last update to this release was made on June 15th, 2013. Read more about available versions of Debian. On my screen, this spans two lines, but the second is mostly white space. How about shortening it to the following ? The latest stable release of Debian is 7.1, updated on June 15th, 2013. Read more about available versions of Debian. My gut feeling is that it would save one line on more computers than just mine. Cheers, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130908233928.gf12...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: displaying email adresses
Le Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:05:29AM +, MJ Ray a écrit : > The BTS contents are indexed and archived on Google's own site I would love to, but: chouca〔~〕$ lynx --dump http://bugs.debian.org/robots.txt User-agent: * Disallow: / http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415305 Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy http://charles.plessy.org Wakō, Saitama, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: displaying email adresses
Le Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 12:38:41PM +0100, Simon Paillard a écrit : > > As explained earlier, the BTS content is not only on the BTS itself, but : > * is also sent on several debian mailing lists (indexed by google), > * is sent to other archiving systems like gname, nabble, mailgate, etc. etc. > > So the BTS content is indexed, but not from the BTS itself. Ah, sorry, because there was no "Re: " messages in the link MJ Ray sent, I thought that answers to bugs were not archived. Is there an archives that keeps threads somewhere ? It could be useful to advertise them on the corresponding lists.debian.org pages… Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy http://charles.plessy.org Wakō, Saitama, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: displaying email adresses
Le Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:32:42AM -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit : > > There are mirrors of the BTS which do not disallow indexing. > > Furthermore, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi > Hi Don, Call me lazy, but it is two clicks away compared to just pasting the error message in the Google search box which is the default on the browsers distributed by Debian. Actually, indexing and searching are not completely equivalent. For instance, I had the following gcc-4.3 error: error: 'strlen' was not declared in this scope If I search the BTS, I find all the similar bugs submitted by Martin, but again, seeing if they are fixed or pending is still a few clicks away. In a Google search, I get a chance to find fixes from other sources. It is just so frustrating that all the Debian bugs that appear in this search originate from those mail-list archives in which it is difficult to get the full thread. Anyway, If I understand correctly, letting Google index the BTS is unsustainable (How about restricting the Googlebot to the http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=Number URL for starting?). So the solution has to be found elsewhere. How about having an easy access to the merkel search service from the browsers that Debian distributes? Also, where can I submit feedback ? The attribute search system is quite unfriendly, maybe it would be easy that for some categories such as status or severity, only the relevant filterse show up (no need for "equal to (Number)"). Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy http://charles.plessy.org Wakō, Saitama, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: displaying email adresses
Le Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 06:02:00PM -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit : > On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Call me lazy, but it is two clicks away compared to just pasting the > > error message in the Google search box which is the default on the > > browsers distributed by Debian. > > [...] > > Google has already indexed mirrors of the BTS. Sure, but unfortunately their pagerank is lower than the messy list archives, so a lot of usefulness is lost... Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy http://charles.plessy.org Wakō, Saitama, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#457995: new update/revision announcement pages confusing about aptitude/apt
Le Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 10:39:34PM +0100, Luk Claes a écrit : > > Last time: For *end users* apt is a package manager. We recommend to use > aptitude or apt as package manager to upgrade... Hi all, chouca〔~〕$ apt bash: apt: command not found I think that Philippe has a point: the end-user would expect more something like "aptitude or apt-get"… Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy http://charles.plessy.org Wakō, Saitama, Japan
Re: [WikiVote] Translation Namespace Policy 3 days remaining
Le Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 11:12:09PM -0200, Javier Di Mauro a écrit : > >Hi, >Is it possible to do >> [1]wiki.debian.org/fr/Materiel ?? I think it's >better than the others. Or even wiki.debian.org/fr/Matériel ? Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy http://charles.plessy.org Wakō, Saitama, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RFC] wiki.debian.orgTranslation Namespace
Le Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 03:33:15AM +0100, Franklin PIAT a écrit : > > The list of propositions is available from : > http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/TranslationNamespace #wiki.debian.org/fr/Materiel and #wiki.debian.org/fr/Matériel are still not in the list. Can I add them ? Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy http://charles.plessy.org Wakō, Saitama, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Debian Wiki] Vos identifiants de connexion au wiki
Dear all, I have discussed with Remys in French. He sent his mail on this list by replying to the password recovery mail (maybe it should mention that replies are preferred in English if possible ?). I will try to summarise. Le Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:30:08AM -0400, Remys Morrissette a écrit : > > >Quelqu'un à demandé l'envoi des données relatives à votre compte à > >cette > >adresse électronique. > > > >Si vous avez oublié votre mot de passe, utilisez les informations > >ci-dessous > >et entrez simplement le mot de passe TEL QUEL dans le champs mot de passe > >du formulaire d'identification du wiki (utilisez pour cela un > >copier-coller). > > > >Après vous être identifié avec succès, il vous est naturellement > >recommandé > >d'enregistrer un nouveau mot de passe que vous connaissiez. > > > >Nom : UtilisateurExemple > > > >Mot de passe : Serie_de_chiffre_et_de_lettre > > > >URL de connexion : http://wiki.debian.org/PréférencesUtilisateur This is the email he got from the wiki. Here is the English version: Somebody has requested to submit your account data to this email address. If you lost your password, please use the data below and just enter the password AS SHOWN into the wiki's password form field (use copy and paste for that). After successfully logging in, it is of course a good idea to set a new and known password. Login Name: * Login Password: Login URL: http://wiki.debian.org/UserPreferences The comment of Remys is that the "Login URL" is not a login URL, it would need '?action=login' for this. Moreover, the UserPreference page has a field that looks like a login field, but if one tries to log in, it answers that the user already exists (because it is an account creation field). (I can confirm that it is confusing, I banged my head on this wall some time ago). Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy http://charles.plessy.org Wakō, Saitama, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem processing a wml::debian::news page.
Hi all, I created a news page for the Debian-Med project: http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/devel/debian-med/News/2008/20080317.wml?rev=1.1&root=webwml&view=log and its translation: http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/french/devel/debian-med/News/2008/20080317.wml?rev=1.1&root=webwml&view=log Despite being parsed (since their title has been used to generate the headline in http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med), the html file has not been created. Is it because I commited the pages after the "release date"? I did not find explanations in http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/template/debian/news.wml?rev=1.57&root=webwml&view=auto If I missed another place, could somebody indicate it to me? Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian-Med packaging team Wakō, Saitama, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Website layout ...
Le Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 01:18:34AM +0200, Wouter Labeeuw a écrit : > >Hi all, >The debian website layout hasn't changed in a long while. >Wouldn't it be nice to just give it just a slightly different colour with >the lenny release, e.g. [1]http://users.vtk.be/~s0191503/debian/ ? >No big fuzz, just changing some properties in the css... >Cheers Hi Wouter, Just for your information, a marketing team has been designated two months ago, and is officially in charge of that kind of decision. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/04/msg9.html -- Charles Plessy, Tsurumi, Yokohama, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: two whitespaces after full stop are correct in english !!
Le Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 07:46:11PM +0200, Helge Kreutzmann a écrit : > > Is there some guideline/whitelist? Just now[1], I see: > - " href="http://people.debian.org/~tille/debian-med/talks/paper-cdd/debian-cdd.html/";>Custom > + "http://people.debian.org/~tille/cdd/";>Custom Oops, I made this error. Your help is of course welcome: I do not know how to use `smartchanges', nor where to find it (how about devscripts?). Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy, Debian-Med packaging team Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Add Science CDD to http://www.debian.org/devel/
Le Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 01:08:33AM +0100, Chris Walker a écrit : > > Please can you add the Science CDD http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience > to http://www.debian.org/devel/ Done: === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/devel/index.wml,v retrieving revision 1.207 retrieving revision 1.208 diff -u -r1.207 -r1.208 --- webwml/english/devel/index.wml 2007/12/11 02:03:47 1.207 +++ webwml/english/devel/index.wml 2008/07/09 14:30:32 1.208 @@ -355,6 +355,7 @@ Project http://pkg-grass.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl";>Debian GIS Project http://demudi.agnula.info/";>Agnula DeMuDi + http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience";>Debian Science I added it at the bottom of the list. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian-Med packaging team, Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dead link on http://www.debian.org/ports/m68k/
Hello, I would like to report the following dead link on http://www.debian.org/ports/m68k/ : The http://crest.debian.org/";>Debian/68k autobuild system contains up to date information about the porting effort. Since crest.debian.org is not down, I guess that it does not host the page anymore... Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: URGENT: Please remove my email from your web-page
Le Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:10:23AM +0100, Frank Lin PIAT a écrit : > > When answering such request, what about BCC'ing the sender, and add a > note at the top of the page, like > [John Doe was BCC'd] That was indeed a stupid mistake of me :( Do you think we could document this recommendation somewhere ? Have a nice day, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FAQ about post removals ?
Le Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 10:05:52AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : > > Lastly, although this advice comes too late, to avoid increasing the page rank > of your archived message in search engines you can refer to it through its > message ID. Hi all, following our previous disucssion about post removals, if a FAQ is written (I can help, but where should we put it?), I suggest to add the above recommendation. In the case I answered I suppose that the reason for removal request was that this discussion appears very high in a Google search made on the name of the poster. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FAQ about post removals ?
Le Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 01:35:15PM +1100, Craig Small a écrit : > I would put it under MailingLists and have a link to it off the > lists.d.o page. Hi all, How about this? Requests for removal of messages in our archive It is our policy to not remove messages after they have been willfully posted by their authors. Please note that by sending a request on our public mailing lists you might increase the attention of spammers and search engines on the addresses and contents you request for deletion. We recommend to refer messages by their Message-id, which is displayed between the message and its title in our archives. For instance, the message ID of the email announcing the http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2007/msg2.html>"release of Etch is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Our archive can be http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/";>searched by Message-ID. When answering publicly to a request for removal that did not follow this advice, you can also minimize the inconvenience for the requester by avoiding to quote URLs and use Message-IDs instead. In addition, you can reduce the occurrence of the requester's email address in our archive by using the blind carbon-copy (BCC) function in you mailer, and noticing the other list members by a small header like [John Doe was BCC'd]. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: proposition d'arabiser le site "debian.org"
[English summary: this is a proposal to translate www.debian.org in Arabic, and I will answer to use on debian-l10n-arabic for if they can not use English.] Le Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:22:53AM +, Mohamed Aouraghe a écrit : > >Nous vous proposons la version arabe de votre portail " >http://www.debian.org " afin qu'il porte diverses couleurs pour toucher >profondément ce grand segment. Cher Monsieur Aouraghe, le projet Debian repose sur le volontariat et les propositions d'aide sont toujours les bienvenues. La langue de travail de la liste de diffusion "debian-www@lists.debian.org" est l'anglais. Je vous conseille d'essayer de chercher de l'aide sur "debian-l10n-ara...@lists.debian.org" si vous souhaitez discuter en arabe de la faisabilité de votre projet (qui nécessitera la contribution de nombreuses heures de travail). Bonne journée, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#520058: wiki.debian.org: Gives "localhost" as last editor.
Package: wiki.debian.org Severity: normal Dear Franklin and all wiki maintainers, after the recent upgrade, the footer of the pages indicates "localhost" as the last person who edited the pages. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#520058: wiki.debian.org: Gives "localhost" as last editor.
Le Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 01:16:12PM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : > > after the recent upgrade, the footer of the pages indicates "localhost" as the > last person who edited the pages. Hmmm… I fired the bug report too fast: the pages were actually modified to upgrade to the lastest MoinMoin syntax. Still, that hides information. Feel free to close this bug if there is no workaround. Cheers, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
WML news not generated ?
Dear list, I tried to add a news entry in the Debian Med section of our website: http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/devel/debian-med/News/2009/20090328.wml?root=webwml&view=log However, I fail to undesrtand why the corresponding html page is not created: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med/News/2009/20090328 Any idea ? -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: want to help
Le Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 08:10:46AM +0200, florian.gillig florian.gillig a écrit : > >Now I want to join the debian project as an active member. >Before I start, I would like to contact the people in charge of debian www >in french (if there any one ?). >Who are actually the "active workers" on debian www ? (If you have some >informations about teams and people who works for debian www) >I've found [1]http://www.debian.org/devel/website/ , is there any other >usefull page I should know/read ? >I've just found a 404 error : [2]http://www.debian.fr/doc/ (go on >[3]http://www.debian.fr and click on "Documentation" on the left). Where > can >I report this "bug" ? I think here is the good place... (is there any >bugzilla-like system ?) Hi Florian, One fast way to get experienced with the debian website could be to participate to the translations. Just doing the proofreading would make you visit many pages. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/ and http://www.debian.org/devel/website/translating.fr.html for more information. The people who maintain the www pages are usually those who are directly concerned by their contents. For example, I am active in Debian-Med, and sometimes modify the website under http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med , but I never wander in parent directories. Bugs are to be reported through the Debian Bug Tracking System (BTS); you can use reportbug using www.debian.org as pacakge : Debian uses so-called pseudo-packages for managing issues with its infrastructure. In summary, my gut feeling is that if you want to help, you can either join the french translation team or try to find a bug in the BTS which you can solve. Bonne journée, -- Charles Plessy http://charles.plessy.org Wako, Saitama, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subscribing a mailing list to page changes on the wiki.
Hi all, In the Debian-Med project, we would like to monitor the changes in some pages of wiki.debian.org. For the moment the only way I find would be to create a user and use [EMAIL PROTECTED] as email adress. Not very elegant... Do you know if there is a simpler solution ? Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian-Med packaging team Wako, Saitama, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Subscribing a mailing list to page changes on the wiki.
> Am Freitag, den 24.08.2007, 14:44 +0900 schrieb Charles Plessy: > > In the Debian-Med project, we would like to monitor the changes in some > > pages of wiki.debian.org. For the moment the only way I find would be to > > create a user and use [EMAIL PROTECTED] as email adress. Not very > > elegant... Do you know if there is a simpler solution ? Le Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 12:07:17PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs a écrit : > <http://wiki.debian.org/RecentChanges?action=rss_rc&ddiffs=1> is the > link to the RSS feed of the RecentChanges. Propably it is possible to > monitor that instead and filtering appropriately. The package rss2email > might help you for that job. Hi, as I did not feel like doing complex things, I just tried to create an account on the wiki, and to change its email adress to [EMAIL PROTECTED] before modifying a subscribed page from another account. However, I did not manage to do this change... any idea for the reason ? Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy http://charles.plessy.org Wako, Saitama, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Accidental tagging with `cvs help tag'
Hi all, I am affraid that I typed `cvs help tag' in my local copy of the webwml repository, and that it did something I did not expect. sorbet【debian-med】$ cvs tag help ? imaging.wml.1.40 ? kunpu cvs tag: Tagging . T Makefile T dental.wml T device.wml T doc.wml T drugdb.wml T his.wml T imaging.wml T index.wml T microbio.wml T other.wml T pharma.wml T physiotherapy.wml T practice.wml T record.wml T research.wml T veterinary.wml cvs tag: Tagging News T News/Makefile T News/index.wml cvs tag: Tagging News/2002 T News/2002/20020528.wml T News/2002/20020607.wml T News/2002/20020626.wml T News/2002/20020723.wml T News/2002/20021002.wml T News/2002/Makefile T News/2002/index.wml cvs tag: Tagging News/2003 T News/2003/20030829.wml T News/2003/Makefile T News/2003/index.wml cvs tag: Tagging News/2004 T News/2004/20040429.wml T News/2004/20040709.wml T News/2004/20041023.wml T News/2004/20041113.wml T News/2004/Makefile T News/2004/index.wml cvs tag: Tagging News/2005 T News/2005/20050614.wml T News/2005/20051102.wml T News/2005/Makefile T News/2005/index.wml cvs tag: Tagging News/2007 T News/2007/20070419.wml T News/2007/Makefile T News/2007/index.wml cvs tag: Tagging talks cvs tag: Tagging talks/200210_lux_med cvs tag: Tagging talks/internal cvs tag: Tagging talks/med I know nothing about cvs tags (hence the mistake), and I do not know if this means that I made local or remote changes... I will try to understand how to get rid of them, but in case it is something to be cleaned quiclky, I just wanted to let you know... Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy (charles-guest) http://charles.plessy.org Wako, Saitama, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Probs with http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/setting-up
Le Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 09:44:28PM +0200, Philipp Kern a écrit : > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 07:51:37PM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote: > > You need to create the following directories (under /org/buildd/ > > The docs are horribly outdated. Strangely, the date of last modification does not match the one of the wml source – maybe it is an artefact created by the migration to Alioth? Would there be a way to display the date of the last CVS commit somewhere? Readers would probably be more cautious when realising that the pages have not been changed for years. http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/setting-up.en.html http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/webwml/english/devel/buildd/setting-up.wml?view=log Or maybe better: introduce a link à la wiki to the lastest CVS diff in ‘template/debian/footer.wml’. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#558752: www.debian.org: Too many Alpha porters on intro/organization
Le Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 06:19:30PM +0100, Holger Levsen a écrit : > Hi, > > On Montag, 30. November 2009, Osamu Aoki wrote: > > Should we remove Alpha section from this list? Someone who knows this for > > sure, please respond. > > I would rather suggest to keep the section and mention (there) that there are > no alpha porters and thus the port is becoming unmaintained and is in > concrete danger of not being released with the next stable release. Hi Holger and everybody, the Alpha port has actually already been dropped: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg0.html Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: blessing non-profit, worldwide CD vendors
Le Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:00:23PM -0400, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > > AFAICT from our <http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/> page, this situation > is fairly peculiar as other vendors are for-profit, even if some of them > permits CD buyers to pay more and give the difference to Debian. I > think that difference warrant some kind of "blessing" of debiancd.org, > as buying via them would support the Debian project more than other > vendors. What do you think of that? If you agree, I'll be happy to > propose a specific wording. Hi Stefano, I think that it would be strange, on one hand to exclude from Debian software that forbids profit because it is not free, and on the other hand to show a preference for CD vendors that do not seek profit. One problem is the poor definition of ‘profit’. In the academic world, we have seen big scandals where the managers of ‘not for profit’ associations were earning much more in one month than what a ‘for profit’ home business of CD selling would generate in year. This said, your idea can be amended by working around the concept of ‘profit’. For instance by blessing the vendors who financially support free software, regardless whether or not they make a living of their activity. Cheers, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100728230432.ga16...@merveille.plessy.net
When and how can we migrate out of CVS and WML ? (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users)
Le Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:32:54PM +0300, Teemu Likonen a écrit : > * 2010-07-23 00:27 (+0900), Charles Plessy wrote: > > > in my opinion, it is not only a question of design, but of > > infrastructure. For me, the combination of CVS and WML finally eroded > > all my motivation over the years for keeping some life in the pages > > under /devel/debian-med. I would welcome any change of VCS and > > language, even if it means losing the history or rewriting the pages > > from scratch. > > Yes, sometimes it's not enough to send patches to an established > project. Indeed starting a different (web) project, possibly with > different infrastructure, may be needed if one wants to change things. Indeed, I am starting to wonder if it would be possible to use redirections or aliases to allow a step-by-step transition… Instead of looking for volunteers to migrate the whole website, perhaps we should focus on giving flexibility for people who care about a particular branch to use a different system, provided that it follows some appearance and translation standards. Perhaps this discussion should better be continued on debian-...@l.d.o… -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100729145318.gb20...@merveille.plessy.net
Re: When and how can we migrate out of CVS and WML ? (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users)
Hi Gerfried, Le Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 08:19:47PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs a écrit : > > I actually don't welcome changes that tell > our translators technicly: "Thanks for your effort so far, but we throw > it all away." I would like to be clear. I do not propose, and have never proposed, to throw away the work of translators. What I am saying is that if there is no way to automatically convert from WML to whichever format makes a consensus, then I am willing to do the work by hand for the pages under /devel/debian-med. And this for the translations as well, if we do not change our current strategy. (If we switch to PO catalogs, I may not be able to transfer the contents, at least without proofreading). > About change of VCS - there are (minor) efforts going on with respect > to try out wether git would work as backend. Any help is of course > appreciated, in any direction. I would welcome any change too, but to > some degree that sentence has the sounding of "if someone else does it" > added to it. I like git a lot as well. Is there a roadmap somewhere, a list of problems to solve or a sandbox in which making tests, and what is the plan to answer to the valid objections of the contributors who will lose the ability to do partial commits ? Lastly, but not so importantly, > How many external links are you willing to intentionally break by what's > spinning around in your mind? I would like to tell, without starting a long discussion, that I feel offended by the way you express your objection by attributing bad motivations to me. Breaking things is not my intention. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100730010653.gb3...@merveille.plessy.net
Re: When and how can we migrate out of CVS and WML ? (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users)
Le Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:25:08AM +0300, Andrei Popescu a écrit : > > the people complaining about wml did not mention what > the issues were and did not propose an alternative. Hi Andrei, What I learn in Debian I use elsewhere, and what I learn elsewhere I use in Debian. There are exceptions such as WML, which seems to be a dead end. I think that there could be more people working on our website if it were using some system that is used by Debian contributors for their own sites or at their workplace. At least for me, I am not interested to study WML, so my contributions are limited to modify or delete pages in my area of interest, but I am not making new developments. I notice that for the part of the website I am intersted in, there is almost no development at all, and that much more content is added to wiki.debian.org. Still, I like the idea to have on www.debian.org informations for the general public and users, and on wiki.debian.org some contents more volatile and in construction. I am exploring how possible it would be to use the markdown syntax through ikiwiki to reproduce the pages under /devel/debian-med. It looks quite promising. Do you or somebody else know what are the areas of our website that crucially depend on specialised functions or scripts of WML, and if these pages are still maintained ? Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100803152129.gb30...@merveille.plessy.net
Re: When and how can we migrate out of CVS and WML ? (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users)
Le Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 12:45:39AM +0200, Simon Paillard a écrit : > > WML is really used (from the easy use, variable substitution for > releases names, version, release date, to conditional use,etc.), see > english/template/debian for example: > http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/webwml/english/template/debian/?sortby=log Hi Simon, Thanks for the pointer. Many of the WML scripts in these templates can be replaced by equivalents in other systems. For instance with ikiwiki, the news items like on the Debian Med page (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med/) can be replaced by an inline directive. The links to translated pages are also created automagically. My question was rather: are there WML scripts that are supsected to be difficult to re-implement? In the tests I am doing currently with ikiwiki, I found that after converting the WML page to Markdown, it is easy to fill the PO catalogues by hand using existing translations. This means that people working on a WML transition can contribute to a PO transition as well. For the moment, I have a couple of issues: - The ikiwiki PO plugin has a concept of ‘master language’, while on the Debian website, the reference page can be in any language. - Each page has its own PO catalogue, which reduces the possibilities of factorisation (but translation tools like virtaal seem to be a workaround). The Debian Med area of our website does not use much other features than news and translations, so I can not tell much more about the migratability of other pages. I will try to make a demo available this week-end. (I considered the brand new www.branchable.com platform, but the tickbox to enable the PO plugin was shaded…) Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100806010805.ga27...@merveille.plessy.net
Using ikiwiki for http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med.
Dear all, to help motivate a migration away from WML, which I think is one obstacle to have more contributions on our website, I made a partial reimplemntation of the Debian Med part of the Debian website using ikiwiki. You can have a look at the following URL: http://charles.plessy.org/debian/debian-med-ikiwiki/ I have uploaded the ikiwiki source code on Alioth: http://git.debian.org/?p=users/plessy/debian-med-ikiwiki.git In this demo, the translations are done through the po plugin of ikiwiki. I prepared a Danish translation to show that it is easy to transfer the previous translations to the new system (I started from the HTML pages). The second main feature is the news items in the debian-med and debian-med/News page. They are using the blog system of ikiwiki (inline directives plus templates). The Debian Med area is not using more advanced WML functions, so my test finishes here. I hope that other web contributors will express interest in converting the pages they care for. I also need the feedback of the Debian Med team, which was not contacted in advance, to know if in the case the Debian website would move out from WML, ikiwiki would be welcome). Have a nice week-end, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100807093910.ga16...@merveille.plessy.net
Re: We are using Debian
Le Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 11:36:36PM -0500, Mario Rivas Medrano a écrit : > > We are a group working on the origin and the early evolution of life. Many of > our analysis are based on the comparison of protein and genetic sequences. We > find the software that comes with Debian very useful and easy to use since we > are not specialists in computer matters. It helps us on five servers and nine > workstations used by our undergraduate, masters and doctoral students. Dear Mario, thank you very much for your feedback. Do not hesitate to contact us on the Debian Med mailing list to suggest other programs to packages, that would be useful to your works. Have a nice week-end, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100910051200.gd17...@merveille.plessy.net
Deleting english/template/debian/debian-cdd.wml ?
Le Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 08:54:26PM +0200, Simon Paillard a écrit : > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 08:19:57PM +0200, The7up wrote: > > wich page using debian-cdd-*.po? > > ../../english/template/debian/debian-cdd.wml > > But indeed, since debian-med has moved to its own website (..), no page > use this template anymore: > > rgrep -l 'wml::debian::debian-cdd' * > english/template/debian/debian-cdd.wml > > I don't think it would be useful in the future .. Indeed, packages lists for Debian Pure Blends tasks are now generated on pages hosted on Alioth, so this template can probably retired if it consumes translator work. (CC debian-ble...@l.d.o for doublechecking). Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101014001141.gb1...@merveille.plessy.net
Re: Deleting english/template/debian/debian-cdd.wml ?
Le Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 09:51:58AM +0200, Andreas Tille a écrit : > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 09:11:41AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Le Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 08:54:26PM +0200, Simon Paillard a écrit : > > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 08:19:57PM +0200, The7up wrote: > > > > wich page using debian-cdd-*.po? > > > > > > ../../english/template/debian/debian-cdd.wml > > > > > > But indeed, since debian-med has moved to its own website (..), no page > > > use this template anymore: > > > > > > rgrep -l 'wml::debian::debian-cdd' * > > > english/template/debian/debian-cdd.wml > > > > > > I don't think it would be useful in the future .. > > > > Indeed, packages lists for Debian Pure Blends tasks are now generated on > > pages > > hosted on Alioth, so this template can probably retired if it consumes > > translator work. > > > > (CC debian-ble...@l.d.o for doublechecking). > > Fine for me I will remove english/template/debian/debian-cdd.wml Shall I remove the PO catalogs as well ? Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101016134548.gb20...@merveille.plessy.net
Re: Deleting english/template/debian/debian-cdd.wml ?
Le Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 10:45:48PM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : > > I will remove english/template/debian/debian-cdd.wml > > Shall I remove the PO catalogs as well ? In the absence of answers, I deleted english/template/debian/debian-cdd.wml but not the corresponding PO catalogs. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101024040050.ga4...@merveille.plessy.net
Re: [Debian Wiki] Update of "DebianMed/Meeting/Luebeck2011" by SteffenMoeller
Le Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 05:26:34PM -0400, David Prévot a écrit : > Le 06/01/2011 10:15, Debian Wiki a écrit : > > Dear Wiki user, > > Hi, > > > You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Debian Wiki" for > > change notification. > > Does someone objects to *unsubscribe* debian-...@l.d.o from DebianMed > wiki notifications? TIA if someone is able to do the trick. Hi David, despite the headers of notification emails contain the field “To: Debian Wiki ”, notifications are not sent there. As a proof you can see that they are not in the archive of the list, and that the mail headers does not contain the field “List-Id: ”. If you do not get the notifications through a mailing list, perhaps one of the regular expressions for change tracking from your wiki account is matching DebianMed by accident ? Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110107003002.gc16...@merveille.plessy.net
Re: [Debian Wiki] Update of "DebianMed/Meeting/Luebeck2011" by SteffenMoeller
Le Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 10:02:25PM -0400, David Prévot a écrit : > Le 06/01/2011 20:30, Charles Plessy a écrit : > > > despite the headers of notification emails contain the field “To: Debian > > Wiki > > ”, notifications are not sent there. > > I wonder how a mail that claim to be sent to debian-www and that is > actually received via gmane.linux.debian.devel.www newsgroup can't be > sent there. Perhaps the confusing To: header is disturbing Gmane? Can the wiki admins comment why the notification emails are sent with these headers ? Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-www-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110108011442.gb12...@merveille.plessy.net
