Re: Best WWW browser..

[csj]

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:13:15 +1100,
Rob Weir wrote:
> 
> [1  ]
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 08:19:18PM +, p wrote:
> > ...and having the ability to turn off the pop-ups advertising
> > is a great feature in 7.01.
> 
> Which has been in Mozilla for over a year, and was consiously
> hidden away by Netscape to make it more difficult to disable
> popups.

Now where is this option to turn off pop-ups? Is it one of the
itmes listed under Javascript (Preferences/Advanced/Script &
Plugins)? 


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Re: [OT]Yahoo mail

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On 20 Feb 2003 14:54:45 -0600,
DvB wrote:
> 
> David Pastern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Well that's cos Yahoo is *ucked - I won't use or recommend
> > their services ever again. I just had my ex g/f crack my
> > yahoo account, because of a weakness in their setup.  When
> > you forget a p/w, you can do the secret question routine, and
> > if someone knows you well enough there's a chance that

Solution: change your passwords regularly, especially after an
estrangement.

> That's why you should never let anyone get to know you that
> well :-P
> 
> > they'll guess it and be able to force a request of p/w.  In
> > itself nothing too bad, but when the new p/w is posted on the
> > *ucking webpage (instead of being mailed to a registered
> > account)...then that cracker can easily just change your p/w
> > and log on and do what they want.  The result:
> 
> Yes, that is a pretty serious security flaw. However, I think
> they probably do it because the "real" address people sign up
> with isn't always valid when they request a password change (I
> know the one I supplied when I singed up for mine isn't valid
> anymore, and I've decided to leave it that way... which, after
> reading your post, might not be such a good thing).

I don't consider it a flaw at all. Yahoo was one of the best free
pop mail providers, and I have probably tried every provider
listed in emailaddresses.com (IIRC). Yahoo has since done away
with the free pop, so I have reduced my account to sucking email
alerts (like the Debian Security adivsory or the Marssociety
newsletter) via the fetchyahoo script.

Yahoo's fine as a fallback account or as an address I'd hand out
to people I don't know too well. If they turned out to be
relentless spammers, I could always sign up for a new
account: no questions asked. Try that with your ISP.


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Re: cdrdao CD -> burner question

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On 21 Feb 2003 15:00:09 +0100,
Mark Janssen wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 14:44, stan wrote:

> > I've got a machine with both a 56X CD and an HP CD writer. I
> > would like to be able to copy CD's (audio) by going directly
> > fro the CD to the burner. Is this feasible? Looks like cdrdao
> > has command line options to do this. Will there bee speed
> > issues, given a reasonably fast machine )1.8G Athalon)? Do I
> > need to have the CD set up using SCSI emulation? Presently, I
> > only have the writer set up that way.
> 
> cdrdao copy-cd --source-device=?,?,? --device=?,?,? --on-the-fly.
> 
> Replace the ?,?,? with values from 'cdrecord -scanbus'
> 
> You need scsi emulation for whatever drive you want to use with
> cdrdao It will work without problems on any decent
> computer... I use a K6-350 with plextor 12 speed and aopen-dvd
> reader.
> 
> Faster writing will need more cpu, but burn-proof or whatever
> will compensate.

Using burnproof on an audio CD isn't (generally) a good idea.


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Re: cdrdao CD -> burner question

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On 21 Feb 2003 16:20:18 -0600,
DvB wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > On 21 Feb 2003 15:00:09 +0100,
> > Mark Janssen wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Faster writing will need more cpu, but burn-proof or
> > > whatever will compensate.
> > 
> > Using burnproof on an audio CD isn't (generally) a good idea.
> > 
> 
> Why not? Just curious.

From what I can recall of the discussion at debian's cdwrite
list, it has something to do with the hacky nature of
burnproof. Burnproof supposedly allows the laser to be
repositioned at the point on the track where the writer got a
buffer underrun. The repositioning is likely not to be 100%
precise, leaving a slight gap. This won't be noticeable in a data
cdr, which has more data correction than an audio CD. I have
absolutely no experience testing this on a standalone player ;-)
because the last one I had has been busted for over two years.

Brnproof seems to me to be just like a gun. It's nice for the
sense of security it gives. But if you have to use it at every
turn, then you're probably abusing it. Burn at a slower speed to
avoid the buffer underruns in the first place


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Re: dd error when copying walmart picture CD

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On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 20:34:37 -0500,
DGLUser wrote:
> 
> I get an error when issuing comand
> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=pics.iso
> I ignored it and continued to cdrecord the iso into a blank CD,
> but the directories containing the pictures were not copied at
> all. I presume that they were not copied into the iso file
> either, but have no idea about what is going on, or about how
> to fix the problem.

Probably not an iso in the first place.

> Any help will be appreciated.

cdrdao?


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Re: Need help configuring box as router

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On 23 Feb 2003 14:25:07 -0600,
Justin Ryan wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 12:27, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 11:13:24AM -0500, Scott Ehrlich wrote:
> > 
> > [ top posting SUCKS ]
> > 
> 
> [ self-righteousness SUCKS ]


[...]

[Since when did top-posting become a moral issue?]


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Re: Best WWW browser..

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Ont Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:27:37 +1100,
Rob Weir wrote:
> 
> [1  ]
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 05:06:07AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:13:15 +1100,
> > Rob Weir wrote:
> > > 
> > > [1  ]
> > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 08:19:18PM +, p wrote:
> > > > ...and having the ability to turn off the pop-ups advertising
> > > > is a great feature in 7.01.
> > > 
> > > Which has been in Mozilla for over a year, and was
> > > consiously hidden away by Netscape to make it more
> > > difficult to disable popups.
> > 
> > Now where is this option to turn off pop-ups? Is it one of
> > the itmes listed under Javascript
> > (Preferences/Advanced/Script & Plugins)?
> 
> Yes.  Most of the options in the list are just annoying, so I
> disable nearly all of them.

Why don't you just disable javascript (the root of all pop-up
evil)?  BTW in Konqueror there are options to turn on|off
java(script) on a domain by domain basis.


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Re: Errors Building xserver-xfree86

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:35:04 +1100,
Rob Weir wrote:
> 
> [1  ]
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 08:18:03AM -, Kevin Smith wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > What does this error message mean when building xserver-xfree86?  I
> > compiled my own Kernel 2.4.20 for the powerpc for Debian Woody 3.0r1.
> > DId I miss or so something wrong with the Kernel compilation?
> > 
> > Skipping unpack of already unpacked source in xfree86-4.1.0
> > dpkg-buildpackage: source package is xfree86
> > dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 4.1.0-16
> > dpkg-buildpackage: source maintainer is Branden Robinson
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture is powerpc
> > dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: kernel-headers-2.4
> > dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
> > dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.)
> > Build command 'cd xfree86-4.1.0 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed.
> > E: Child process failed
> 
> You need to install the kernel headers that match your running
> kernel.  Well, normally.  Since X seems to run fine on
> thousands of peoples machines, it presumably just needs *a* set
> of 2.4 kernel headers.  kernel-headers-2.4.18-386 might work,
> and it's in woody.  Install them and try again.

IIRC I managed to compile Branden's X without *any*
kernel-headers. I suspect the headers are just for compiling X
stuff that interacts directly with the kernel (DRI perhaps?). My
kernel is built from the kernel.org sources via make-kpkg.

Maybe the OP can try the -d flag mentioned above.



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Re: Latest MPlayer

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:52:40 -0500 (EST),
Arthur H. Johnson II wrote:
> 
> I would have to agree on this one.  For example, here is my
> mplayer configure command when I compile it:
> 
> ./configure --prefix=/opt/mplayer-0.90rc4 \
> --datadir=/opt/mplayer-common/share/mplayer \
> --with-win32libdir=/opt/mplayer-common/lib/codecs/ \
> --with-xanimlibdir=/opt/mplayer-common/lib/codecs/ \
> --with-reallibdir=/opt/mplayer-common/lib/codecs/ \
> --enable-opendivx --enable-gui
> 
> Full command is located in a script called mplayer.config
> 
> Make sure you have the latest Divx4Linux downloaded compiled
> and installed from avifile.sf.net.

Totally unnecessary. The mplayerhq developers always recommend
the libavcodec video processing library from the ffmpeg
(sourceforge) project. This will be autodectected if you have a
proper libavcodec/ directory within your mplayer build tree. An
mplayer release tarball includes this. With mplayer CVS you have
to extract the appropropriate subdirectory from ffmpeg CVS.

Also, opendivx is deprecated:

$ ./configure --help | grep opendivx
  --enable-opendivx  enable _old_ OpenDivx codec [disable]

Note the emphasis the ./configure script's emphasis on _old_. The
preferred way to play DivX is with libavcodec.

> I downloaded all the w32 codecs from mplayerhq.hu and placed
> them in /opt/mplayer-common/lib/codecs.  Every time a new
> version of MPlayer comes out, I adjust the prefix in the script
> and instant upgrade.  /opt/mplayer actually points to the
> latest version on my machine.  Old versions are killed once I
> decide the one I compiled is working correctly ;) Once I
> upgraded using this method and I couldn't play a Divx I had
> saved.


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Re: cdrecord image

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One Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:32:45 -0800,
Curtis Vaughan wrote:
> 
> Well, just issuing a command like:
> cdrecord -dev=0,0,0 -v - cdimage.iso
> 
> starts the processes up and eventually gets to to:
> Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ...
> 
> And it just sits there like that forever.
> 
> Now, I'm assuming when you say to issue the command:
> mkisofs -R -J -o cdimage.iso /directory
> 
> that /directory in this case is where the cdrom is mounted? or
> what?

No. The directory/ (relative to your current working directory)
is the directory/ of the stuff you want to make an ISO FileSystem
of, the stuff you burn to the CDR using cdrecord.

> Anyhow, I tried to do the following:
> mkisofs -R -J -o cdimage.iso | cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -v -

That won't work becuase mkisofs's -o flag conflicts with
cdrecord's read from pipe option (the dash at the end of the
command). What happens is that an image called "cdimage.iso" is
created, so cdrecord doesn't have anything to work on!

If you want to burn "cdimage.iso", do so by replacing the dash
("-") with the name of the image created by "mkisofs -o
filename", as in the command below:

cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -v cdimage.iso

Alternatively, you can issue:

mkisofs -R -J | cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -v -


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Re: HowTo play divX with xine

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On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:19:01 +0100,
Lukas Ruf wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> is there any "standard" way to play divX movies from a CD with xine?
> 
> /* xine runs at my side, however, when I try to play a divX-CD,
> nothing happens.  When I try to provide  or 
> in mounted or unmounted state, nothing really works. */

What does ls /cdrom say?


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Re: mplayer & motherboard with i810 chipset.

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On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:30:43 +0200,
Egor Tur wrote:
> 
> I have problems with using mplayer on motherboard on i810
> chipset.  I use mplayer 0.90rc4 & kernel 2.4.20 & XFree86
> 4.2.1.1 When I try to use xv or sdl codec I hev only blue
> image.  Mplayer work only with x11 codec but with that I cannot
> fulscreen.  Anybody have any ideas how can use xv or sdl codec?

Yes you can run mplayer full-screen with x11. The catch is that
you must have a powerful enough processor (say a Duron or
Celeron), and something called MTRR enabled in the kernel. The
trick then is to use software scaling. You can use a command
like:

mplayer -vop scale=640:480 movie.avi

This will even work without X, if your kernal has framebuffer
support. You might need to add the "-framedrop" flag to keep the
audio and video in sync.


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Re: VCDs (was Newbie Functioning In Debian)

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On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:57:37 -0800,
Paul Johnson wrote:
> 
> [1  ]
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 08:19:50PM -0800, nate wrote:
> > You'll probably need vcdtools, or vcdimager. Or look for tools that
> > can create/burn .bin/.cue files, this format is what a VCD would
> > come in. the .bin contains the raw data, and the .cue tells the
> > CD software how to burn it.
> 
> Can you use one of those tools that convert bin/cue to get a
> disk image and expect it to work right?
> 
> I'm also having difficulty finding some decent VCD
> documentation.  I see plenty for Red Hat.  I'll admit I'm way
> too lazy to go alien in some of the tools it mentions,
> though...there's gotta be a Debian solution...

Here's the simple tool chain (probably everything you need):

mjpegtools (mjpeg.sourceforge.net): to create the mpeg you'll put
into the vcd.

vcdimager (vcdimager.org IIRC): to create the image out of the
mpeg (analogous to mkisofs)

cdrdao: to burn the image (not cdrecord!)


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Re: VCDs (was Newbie Functioning In Debian)

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On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:24:45 -0800 (PST),
nate wrote:
> 
> Paul Johnson said:
> 
> > Can you use one of those tools that convert bin/cue to get a
> > disk image and expect it to work right?

Well bin/cues are for cdrdao. And I know of only two free linux
that make them: cdrdao and vcdimager. So I don't think that's too
much of a problem.

> if you mean convert from an ISO to a bin/cue I don't think so,
> though never tried it. If you mean convert from bin/cue to raw
> mpeg that should work(for playback using a mpeg player like
> xine).
> 
> 
> > I'm also having difficulty finding some decent VCD
> > documentation.  I see plenty for Red Hat.  I'll admit I'm way
> > too lazy to go alien in some of the tools it mentions,
> > though...there's gotta be a Debian solution...
> 
> I haven't seen much in the way of tools, vcdtools seems to be
> the dominant package to use.

s/vcdtools/vcdimager/

I think it's a more mature project. The xine guys even have a
fork of it. (Forks IMHO are good sign that a project is alive 'n
kicking.)


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glx-no-gears

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This is just a sumptom. When I run glxgears all I get is a black
window. No animation of three rotating gears. Other
opengl-enabled programs and plug-ins I tried launch and run as
usual. I'm able to shut them down without resorting to anything
stronger than Ctrl-C. But all I see is an image of unrelenting
nothing.

[slightly deformatted output of]
$ glxgears -info
GL_RENDERER   = Mesa DRI Radeon 20010402 AGP 4x x86/MMX/3DNow!
GL_VERSION= 1.2 Mesa 3.4.2
GL_VENDOR = VA Linux Systems, Inc.
GL_EXTENSIONS = GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_transpose_matrix
GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_blend_func_separate GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint
GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array GL_EXT_histogram
GL_EXT_packed_pixels GL_EXT_polygon_offset GL_EXT_rescale_normal
GL_EXT_stencil_wrap GL_EXT_texture3D GL_EXT_texture_env_add
GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3
GL_EXT_texture_object GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias GL_EXT_vertex_array
GL_MESA_window_pos GL_MESA_resize_buffers GL_NV_texgen_reflection
GL_PGI_misc_hints GL_SGIS_pixel_texture
GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp
2798 frames in 5.0 seconds = 559.600 FPS
3267 frames in 5.0 seconds = 653.400 FPS
3255 frames in 5.0 seconds = 651.000 FPS

$ lsmod | grep -Ev 'snd-|^sound|fat|i2c|cdrom|sr_mod|^usb|ide-scsi'
Module  Size  Used byNot tainted
rtc 6940   0 (autoclean)
radeon 85496   1
it876660   0 (unused)
tuner   9696   1 (autoclean)
bttv   66816   0
videodev6272   3 [bttv]
agpgart19284   3
sg 28044   0 (unused)
isofs  26932   0 (unused)

My XFree86 setup on this box (a Duron 800) is almost similar to
our other machine's (a P2-350) with the major diffference that
the P2 is using nvidia's binary-only drivers with a four-year-old
(or older) TNT* card. The P2 runs glxgears and other opengl apps
fine.

Does anybody have any idea what I may have done wrong (not done
right)? All I want is the capability to play chromium and
tuxracer on this machine. 

TIA


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Re: The Very Verbose Guide to Updating and Compiling Your Debian Kernel

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At Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:10:59 -0800,
Carla Schroder wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday 04 March 2003 3:16 am, Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote:
> > Hi Yall,
> >
> > spotted the above titled article & it seemed to me some of us
> > & me might find it of use, so here is the url
> >
> > http://www.osnews.com/printer.php?news_id=2949
> 
> 
> That's a great link, thanks. Compiling kernels isn't so scary
> with instructions like this!

Actually I found it quite terrifying. It was quite a long way to
go about describing a system that was designed to make kernel
compiling easier in the first place.

I learned about make-kpkg from a few posts about how to (1) wget
http://kernel/linux.tgz (2) untar linux.tgz (3) cd linux/ (4)
"make xconfig" (5) make-kpkg --put-your-useless-options-here (6)
watch TV (7) dpkg -i spanking_new_kernel.deb.(8) reboot and pray.

It would be another matter if he had written a Very Verbose Guide
to Compiling Your Kernel the Non-Debian Way.


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Re: Blender menu problems

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On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:17:05 +,
Colin Watson wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 09:45:30PM +, John Stevenson wrote:

> > I am running the testing distribution of Debian and have
> > problems with the application 'blender'.
> > 
> > On launching the program it automatically spans the whole
> > screen, seems to work outside of the window manager (i.e. no
> > window decoration)

That's a bug? I thought it was a feature. When you're running it
you probably don't want to be running anything else. I've seen
this behaviour even in blender-non-free. So if at all it's an
upstream bug. FWIW my WM is fluxbox, running at 800x600
resolution.

> > and most importantly the menus are drawn (when selected)
> > about quater of the screen down.

I can't confirm that one. My Blender menus drop down just like
the menus of any typical Gnome or KDE program. The main
difference I see is that to access another menu or a submenu you
have to click at it (i.e. no hover to activate).

> Looks a bit like bug #174617, perhaps. If you think not (I'm
> not familiar with blender), then please file a new bug report.
> 
>   http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting


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The SCO IP suit [was Fw: Boycott Caldera/SCO Products]

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On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 16:25:53 +0530 (IST),
Sharninder wrote:

[...]

> The SCO Group (aka Caldera Systems) has launched a major threat
> to the Linux OS by suing IBM for $1 billion for IP
> violations. Their core argument is that Linux would have
> remained a hobbyist OS if IBM had not leaked SCO's Unix IP into
> it.
> 
> This is bad because:

I think this is good. Uncertainty creates more FUD. If SCO
seriously pursues its case, we'll find out for sure whether its
claims are legally valid or not.

> o It creates a lot of FUD about the legality of linux and the
> safety of corporate IP when Free/Open Source Sotware is used.

Enough FUD has already been created by all the Linux new site and
Slashdot postings.

> o It implies that we (the Free and Open Source community) do not
> have the competence to produce quality software without stealing
> IP.

GNU has been making free software even long before Linus started
his pet project. After all, as they say, Gnu's NOT Unix. Maybe
it's time to invest some serious resources into The Hurd ;-),
another OS type that Debian supports.

http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/


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[OT] Re: [Fwd: [LIP] Fw: Boycott Caldera/SCO Products]

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On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 02:22:48 +,
Colin Watson wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 12:39:19PM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > On Saturday 08 March 2003 05:55 am, Sharninder wrote:
> > > This, therefore, is a call to boycott all Caldera and SCO
> > > products.  Do not use or recommend the use of:
> > >
> > > * Caldera OpenLinux
> > > * SCO Linux
> > > * SCO OpenServer
> > > * SCO UnixWare
> > 
> > So wouldn't that also mean boycotting OSDN -- sites like
> > Freshmeat, Sourceforge, and Slashdot?
> 
> Heh, I seem to do that already. The Debian archive is rather
> more useful on the whole than Freshmeat; I moved free software
> I maintain from SourceForge to Savannah a while back; and
> Slashdot is mostly unreadable.

I'm just curious what's the "ideological" issue around
SourceForge vs. Savannah (I know what of them has the GNU stamp
of approval)? Admittedly my use of SF doesn't extend much beyond
cvs update.
j


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Direct cable connection

[csj]

In Windows I recall something called Direct Cable Connection that
allowed you to link two computers thru the parallel port. The
GNU/Linux version of this appears to be PLIP (which I tried and
failed at many many moons ago).

So, is there a more modern way to "hotwire" two boxes without the
use of routers or extra file systems? Is it possible to do a
straight USB to USB or NIC to NIC connection?


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Re: considered harmful (was [off topic] Learning Shell from an old UNIX book)

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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:08:19 -0800,
Vineet Kumar wrote:
> 
> [1  ]
> Hello,
> 
> I think you've already gotten good answers about the book, and
> how bash is derived from bourne, and what ksh and csh are.
> 
> While you're learning about the shells, I think it's important
> to keep this in mind:
> 
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/
> 
> It's good to learn csh in order to be able to understand random
> csh scripts you find in the wild, but read that document before
> you ever consider unleashing another csh script unto the world.

I'm not convinced. As the article itself points out, there are
workarounds for the perceived weaknesses of csh. And why pick on
the granddaddy, when the grandson is very much alive and kickin?
I've been using tcsh for both my scripts and its more
user-friendly shell. Admittedly I don't unleash them "unto the
world". But I know of at least one big project that uses tcsh
scripting, OpenOffice.org.


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Re: considered harmful (was [off topic] Learning Shell from an old UNIX book)

[csj]

On 12 Mar 2003 18:28:52 -0600,
John Hasler wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > But I know of at least one big project that uses tcsh
> > scripting, OpenOffice.org.
> 
> Thanks for the warning.  I had been considering installing it.

s/installing/compiling

Not needed if all you want is to run it.


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Re: considered harmful (was [off topic] Learning Shell from an old UNIX book)

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On 13 Mar 2003 16:40:25 -0600,
John Hasler wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > But I know of at least one big project that uses tcsh
> > scripting, OpenOffice.org.

[...]

> I have no faith in the quality of the work of developers who
> would choose to use csh in their build system.  I would only
> consider installing the package if the csh is something
> inherited from Sun and is in the process of being replaced.

I know the shortcomings of csh have been discussed elsewhere in
this thread. But tcsh is enhanced csh. (I've actually installed
csh to find out.) OO.o is a multi-OS project, and not all Unix or
Unix-like (attention SCO) systems use or would use bash.

Perhaps you should rephrase your complaint to address a more
significant issue, the presence of non-free software in the build
system of a supposedly free software project: I have no faith in
the quality of the work of developers who would choose to use
Java in their build system.


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Re: dvd + cdrw + modules = problems

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:24:26 +,
Olivier wrote:
> 
> Quoting  "Conrad Newton" :

> > -- was [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mar 14, 2003 at 04:07:18
> 
> > Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda6 hdd=ide-scsi ignore=hdd
> 
> Maybe you want something like
> root=/dev/hda6 hdd=ide-scsi ignore=hdc ide-cd ignore=hdd
> 
> I'm not sure but it seems that your issue comes from the fact
> that modules are loaded in sequence and you don't want one
> override the effect of another since you need both: one for the
> burner, one for the DVD.

But the OP could run even the DVD in scsi-emulation. My DVD drive
is /dev/scd1.

$ cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 2.01a04 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 J?rg Schilling
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24
Using libscg version 'schily-0.7'
scsibus0:
0,0,0 0) 'LITE-ON ' 'LTR-16102B  ' 'OS0E' Removable CD-ROM
0,1,0 1) '' 'ATAPI DVDROM 16X' '110G' Removable CD-ROM


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Re: considered harmful (was [off topic] Learning Shell from an old UNIX book)

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At Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:58:48 +0200,
Aryan Ameri wrote:
> 
> On Saturday 15 March 2003 03:05, John Hasler wrote:
> > > I know the shortcomings of csh have been discussed
> > > elsewhere in this thread. But tcsh is enhanced csh.
> >
> > I have no problem with csh (or tcsh) as a login shell.  It is
> > just not suitable for scripting.
> >
> > > Perhaps you should rephrase your complaint to address a
> > > more significant issue, the presence of non-free software
> > > in the build system of a supposedly free software project:
> > > I have no faith in the quality of the work of developers
> > > who would choose to use Java in their build system.
> >
> > I wasn't aware of that.  So much for OO.o.
> >
> > And the fact that Sun would put _both_ csh _and_ Java in a
> > build system tells me a lot about Sun.  None of it good.
> 
> Well, I was the original poster of the tread, which asked
> wether I should read that specific book in order to learn shell
> programming or not. first, thanks form everyone, with their
> detailed advises, I am now reading the book, following the
> Bourne examples, an am quite happy with this.
> 
> But now that the discussion is about OOo, let me express my
> opinions about it as a user.
> 
> OK you guys say that, OOo is bad software because they use csh,
> and they use java to build it. Don't get me wrong, I am a true
> believer in free software, but I guess sometimes, you have to
> see things from a different point of view.

Not bad. I'd say just "not ideal."

> If OOo wasn't here, I couldn't have been using GNU/Linux. As
> simple as that. I am a university student, and in my
> university, everybody depends on MS Office. All the lecturer's
> presentations are given in power point, and all lecturer's put
> theire lecture notes on theire website. and guess what, all
> these documents are in MS Word or MS PowrPoint format. Using
> OOo, I haven't had a single problem with all these. I am able
> to view all these files perfectly, and I save my homeworks in
> MS Office format, and email them to my lecturer. If I didn't
> have OOo, I was forced to install windows on one of my
> partitions, and that's something that I really hate.
>
> I will always be thankfull to Sun, for releasing OOo. I even
> use OOo Draw, to draw algorithms and flowcharts, something that
> my classmates have to use MS Visio for.

Ligther than the OO.o suite: sodipodi (gtk) and karbon (kde). You
might also try using blender. But that would be 3D overkill.

> And in my opinion, using non free software in developing a
> software, shouldn't disqualify it from being free software
> (although RMS won't agree with me ).  As far as I can see, OOo
> is licensed under LGPL, and that's good enough for me.

If by non-free development you mean fairly trivial stuff live
revision control, that's also good enough for me. But if by
development you mean using build system that *might* require you
to pay royalties.

Since Java has a non-free license, there's a risk that Sun might
be bought out by somebody less inclined to support free
software. Without finding a replacement for the Java stuff (which
some people appear to be already doing), how then can Debian,
Redhat and friends recompile OO.o to fix stuff like security
holes?

> Besides, Linus is also using non free software to develop the
> kernel. Does that also mean, that we should all abandon the
> Linux kernel, and regard it as non free software?

Not quite the analogy you're looking for. You don't need AFAICT
non-free software to build your linux kernel. OTOH OO.o requires
Java to build.


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Re: Download accelerator

[csj]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:19:36 -0800,
Vineet Kumar wrote:
> 
> [1  ]
> * Joao Paulo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20030317 02:51 PST]:
> > John wrote:
> > >
> > >There's a gui called downloader for x , it's in unstable
> > >anyway apt-get install d4x
> > >
> > >or alternatively download the source and build it yourself
> > >http://www.krasu.ru/soft/chuchelo/ It supports multiple
> > >connections for downloads ( iff the other side allows it of
> > >course ) Ive been using it for a long time.
> > >
> > >cheers
> > 
> > Yes, very good. It's like ms$ getright.
> 
> GetRight is a product of Headlight Software, which is, AFAIK,
> not in any way affiliated with the microsoft corporation.
> 
> The GetRight site indicates that they are working on versions
> for Mac and even Linux, and also relays reports that it works
> under WINE.  So if that's what you're looking for, it may be a
> way to go.

There are a couple of free alternatives. See below.

> I haven't used it since I liberated my desktop many years ago,
> and I don't know if it supports segmented downloads, etc.  I'd
> prefer to recommend a Free solution, but I don't use any
> download managers (besides mozilla's built-in one) so I can't
> give a good recommendation.

aria allows segmented, simultaneous and recursive downloads. It
has a tendency though to freeze if you don't hard stop downloads
before exiting. In contrast prozilla allows segmented one file
downloads.

For a long time I swore by pavuk, which hasn't had a new release
in a couple of months. It's much faster than wget if you're
downloading a list of files or mirroring a site. For mainly site
or directory mirroring, as against single file wget'ing I'd
recommend httrack.

As many already pointed out wget is the standard. But that
doesn't prevent you from putting a nice faceplate over it. I've
tried several wget frontends like gtm (Gnome Transfer Manager)
and kmago and kbear.


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Re: download decelerator

[csj]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:39:18 -0700,
al davis wrote:
> 
> With this discussion on a download accelerator ...
> 
> What I really need is the opposite.  I have a full time
> connection.  The problem is that when I download something
> large, like a CD image, other activity slows down, often to the
> point of being unusable.  Is there a way to slow down a
> particular download to improve the performance for whatever
> else I might be doing on the net?  I need the equivalent of
> "nice" for downloads.

aria has a "limit download speed" option too.


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Re: opengl on radeon

[csj]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 05:44:08 -0500,
Herve Lombaert wrote:

> OpenGL always worked here on computers with ati radeon.

Just curious: Is that with the DFSG-free, native XFree86 drivers?
Or with some binary-only module from ATI?

> But since last month, where I had the OpenGL display, I now
> have a black display. For example glxgears still starts
> correctly with no error messages, but displays nothing. It's a
> black window.
> 
> I've tried looking for an error message in the xfree log file,
> but it was not. DRI, GLX and others are all there as usual. I
> did not change the config files since it worked last month
> (actually, maybe it's broken for more than month, I'm not
> sure).
> 
> I'm using Testing. Am I alone experiencing this problem?

You're not alone. I managed get hardware-accelerated opengl to
work with Debian's official X packages by downloading, building
and installing the unofficial packages from:

http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/dri-trunk/

There's a kernel module package that has to be built which cannot
coexist with the radeon.o driver included in the kernel (linux
2.4.19). You can either recompile the kernel without the said
driver or manually overwrite it. The kernel driver installs in:

/lib/modules/[kernel-version]/kernel/drivers/char/drm/

Having done the dance I now get:

$ glxgears
disabling TCL support
482 frames in 5.0 seconds = 96.400 FPS
500 frames in 5.0 seconds = 100.000 FPS

Surprisingly this is half as slow as when I didn't have DRI
(something like 200 fps). I suspect this has something to do with
the TCL stuff. When I hide the glxgears window I get:

11059 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2211.800 FPS


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Re: how to split a 4.8 GB avi-file?

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:27:38 +0100 (MET),
Burkhard Ritter wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Martin NospamHenne wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I recorded successfully a 4.8 GB AVI-Movie from my TV-Card. I
> > can watch that movie using mplayer.  (I'm using reiserfs).
> >
> > Now I want to cut out the commercials and compress the file
> > to e.g. divx.
> >
> > My problem is, that my cutting software (glav, I love it)
> > only recognizes the first 2 GB of the avi-file.
> >
> > I tried to split the file using aviplit, but avisplit seems
> > to be buggy, because it doesn't work the way it should. Maybe
> > it cannot handle the reiserfs. It allways produces one chunk
> > and then exits.
> >
> > So how can I split my 4.8GB file into 3 or more independent
> > AVI-Files?
> [...]
>
> Perhabs you should contact the authors of glav, or similar; or
> even better submit a bug.

No. This is a known limitation of the AVI format. Typically AVI's
greater than 2GB aren't "indexed" (though there are hacked
version of the AVI format which overcome this). You can stream
the AVI but you can't seek in it, necessary for editing.

A workaround would probably be to have mplayer reencode the video
to the smaller target size first *then* edit out the commercials.
But I suspect you're using mjpegtools. mjpegtools can record to
segmented AVIs. Why not use that option? Then you can run
something "glav movie-00*". Nowadays I use mplayer to record
straight to high-quality divx.


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Testing the connection

[csj]

Thanks to the pointers in this list (and 1.2 MB of downloaded
documentation) I have what appears to me to be a crossover
cable. I have the two Linksys NICS slotted nicely in and have
loaded the tulip.o kernel driver.

The problem now is: what do I do with it? This is my
/etc/network/interfaces on Box 1:

## BEGIN
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
 address 192.168.0.64
 network 192.168.0.0
 netmask 255.255.255.0
## EOF

On Box 2 "address 192.168.0.64" reads "address 192.168.0.65". Am
I right to assume that I could now "ping" 192.168.0.65? The only
/etc file I adjusted is the above "interfaces".

I don't have NFS enabled in the kernel because all I want is
simple box-to-box file transfer. I'm thinking of using, based on
the documentation I've already read, something called "netcat" or
at most ftp. Am I on the right track?

This ethernetworking stuff is turning out to be the toughest
GNU/Linux task I've set myself to do.

TIA


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Re: Rant (was Re: X Window : Newbie)

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On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:09:50 -0600,
Gianfranco Berardi wrote:

[...]

> Unfortunately, people need to be told to RTFM everyday, because
> everyday new people come and don't realize that they can RTFM.
> Pointing people to Google or to the source is a nice bit of
> convenience. How many people grew up isolated from other
> computer geeks and don't have the contacts to know about things
> we take for granted, like Google or LUGs? It is hard to believe
> that people grow up without knowing about these things, but it
> is obviously true.

I first used a telephone when I was in college. Unbelievable?


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Re: [OT] Anything simpler than emacspeak?

[csj]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:02:16 -0500 (EST),
Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 at 7:34am, Karsten M. Self wrote:

[...]

> >BTW, my understanding of emacspeak was that it required a
> >voice card -- hardware to actually generate the output.  The
> >nice thing about festival is that it works with a standard
> >audio card.
> 
> The current version of emacspeak, 17.0, supports the DECtalk
> software, which speaks through a standard sound card.  That
> much I have working.  Maybe I just have to bite the bullet and
> tell Dad he's going to have to learn emacs!  Unfortunately,
> that might be enough of a barrier to dissuade him.

[...]

A free software voice synthesizer comes with debian: eflite. It's
an emacs enabled version of the flite program, which itself is
the "lite" version of festival.

I've read an article by a blind Linux user/developer (his name
seems to escape me ATM) which states that a command-line based
program is better for blind users than (most obviously) WIMP
programs like MS Word [1] or even "graphical" console programs
like emacs or mc, where feedback may be embedded in ways that
aren't accessible to the blind user. For instance, how does a
blind user hear the status bar?

Maybe you could arm your dad with a command-line web-browser,
editor (ed) and mail client (e.g. mailx for sending mail). These
can then be run in an emacs shell, with emacspeak doing the audio
feedback.

[1] windows, icons, menu and pointing device


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Re: Does DRI work?

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At Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:21:37 +0200,
Nicos Gollan wrote:

[...]

> Everyone working on and packaging X has my deepest respect if
> that helps. :-) However, that doesn't mean that I can recommend
> it to anyone; it's such a convoluted thing. Some time back, I
> was playing with the R200 DRI drivers and recompiled the whole
> mess on a regular basis. It was always a tedious procedure,
> including removing one line from a Wacom tablet driver that
> made the compiler throw up for unknown reasons.

[...]

> Just thinking about hacking that monster in different parts
> like xlibs, xserver etc. makes me shudder. Is there a "mental
> state" of the X maintainers somewhere? :-P

I tend to compile every official Debian XF86 release (and some
unofficial "experimental" ones as well).  I'm no hacker but I'm
able to build almost every one of them.  So I don't think it's
that "terrifying", at least as far as the apt-get'able Debian
source packages are concerned.

Now if you're talking about building OpenOffice...


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Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

[csj]

At Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:33:09 +1000,
Rob Weir wrote:
> 

[...]

> For GNOME2 and KDE3, you need to setup "fontconfig" which Xft2
> uses to find fonts.  I'll get to that in a minute.

I didn't have to do anything to get my fonts available to GNOME2
and KDE3.  I've always been puzzled tho why my GTK1 apps seems to
have fewer fonts available.

Your detailed tips have me wondering if there's really an
official(tm) Debian way of managing fonts, something relatively
easy like "dpkg-reconfigure".

[...]


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Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

[csj]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:27:14 +1000,
Rob Weir wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 07:47:50AM +0800, csj said

[...]

> > Your detailed tips have me wondering if there's really an
> > official(tm) Debian way of managing fonts, something
> > relatively easy like "dpkg-reconfigure".
> 
> Yes, defoma aka "Debian Font Manager".  When you install a new
> font, it handles setting up symlinks and such so that you can
> just point X at
> /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType, and leave it
> alone.  Without defoma, you'd have to point X at wherever fonts
> installed themselves, and update the various fonts.* files that
> live next to the fonts.

I have two problems with such a setup:

First is that the official xserver-xfree86 package appears not to
be defoma- or at least x-ttcidfont-conf-aware.  So I have to do a
trick or two with my favorite editor after reconfiguring
xserver-xfree86.  (Actually the editor part is just cat
font_path.txt >> XF86Config-4)  Should this be filed as a
wishlist bug?

Second is that I have a program that for some reason doesn't
recognize symlinks.


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Re: Decent browsers for Linux? Anything to replace IE?

[csj]

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:20:44 +0100,
Karsten M. Self wrote:
> 
> on Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 11:28:43AM +0100, Joseph Jones
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> > While I'm a huge Firebird fan, IE was better at some tasks
> > (yes, they are non-standard HTML tasks, but what can you do
> > when that's what the industry uses? *sigh*).
> > 
> > I've tried Konqueror and found it lacking extremely (yes, I
> > love it as a file manager when combined with qvwm, but it
> > simply isn't as full-featured as other browsers) and Opera
> > seems worse than Firebird.  So, can anyone suggest a browser
> > that tries to replicate these changes?
> 
> You've tried several of the better ones.
> 
> Personally, I like Galeon 1.2.5 (*not* to be confused with
> 1.3+), and use it extensively.  Mozilla is another option.

For most of my browsing needs (except when I have to tangle with
some serious javascr*), I use emacs-w3m, an emacs "frontend" for
w3m with some convenience features like google search


> Extensive reviews:
> 
> http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/NixBrowsers

Extensive?  You didn't have a line for edbrowse (apt-get'able!).
It's one of the most unusual browsers I've tried.  And you could
use it without a computer screen.

> Echoing Monique:  what MSIE features do you find lacking?

Let's see, javascript compliance with browsers that insist on
MSIE compliance only.


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Re: Couple of problems here... ;)

[csj]

At Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:58:08 -0400,
Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> 
> Martin Hooper wrote:

> > Using Woody 3.0r0 here...
> > 
> > First Problem USB Printing using CUPS
> > 
> > I have a HOWTO which tells me how to set up CUPS with a
> > parallel port printer but I have a USB printer.  In the CUPS
> > web setup I can add a printer but when I try to print the
> > test page I get the following error:
> > 
> > Unable to open USB port device file "/dev/usb/lp0": No such
> > device
> > 
> > How do I tell which port device to use?  Also can anyone
> > point me to a HOWTO for setting up CUPS and a USB device The
> > error message pops up whenever I change the USB Printer
> > #
> > 
> > /var/log/dmesg seems to indicate that the USB ports and the
> > things that are connected to it are detected at boot.  I have
> > a Microsoft Steering wheel as well as my printer.  I am using
> > a stock bf24 kernel from the install disc.
> > 
> Oddly enough, I solved this problem my making sure the printer
> was plugged to the computer and turned on *before* turning on
> the computer.

I believe you can achieve the same effect by just turning on the
printer, then invoking as root:

/etc/init.d/cupsys restart

You might also need to "Start" the printer via:

http://localhost:631/printers/


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[OT] Resetting a serial port

[csj]

Is there a way to reset a serial port without rebooting,
(something like unplugging and replugging a USB device)?  Just
this morning my modem appeared to go dead.  Despite trying out
other programs like efax or minicom, aside from the usual pppd, I
couldn't get the modem to return so much as a fax tone.  In
desperation I decided to reboot and voila, I could use my modem
again.


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Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

[csj]

At Sat, 18 Oct 2003 05:46:15 +1000,
Rob Weir wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:59:16AM +0800, csj said
> > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:27:14 +1000, Rob Weir wrote:
> > > Yes, defoma aka "Debian Font Manager".  When you install a
> > > new font, it handles setting up symlinks and such so that
> > > you can just point X at
> > > /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType, and leave
> > > it alone.  Without defoma, you'd have to point X at
> > > wherever fonts installed themselves, and update the various
> > > fonts.* files that live next to the fonts.
> > 
> > I have two problems with such a setup:
> > 
> > First is that the official xserver-xfree86 package appears
> > not to be defoma- or at least x-ttcidfont-conf-aware.  So I
> > have to do a trick or two with my favorite editor after
> > reconfiguring xserver-xfree86.  (Actually the editor part is
> > just cat font_path.txt >> XF86Config-4) Should this be filed
> > as a wishlist bug?
> 
> No, it will be handled by a different system.  See bug #202096.
> 
> > Second is that I have a program that for some reason doesn't
> > recognize symlinks.
> 
> Which symlinks?  In
> /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType?  X or your
> fontserver looks in there, no user X program needs ever touch
> them, they get all their font data from the X server.

Real world case:  scribus (probably the best GPL'ed or better DTP
app).


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Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

[csj]

At Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:12:22 -0700,
Don Werve wrote:

[...]

> The only reason that English-esque languages are prevalent is
> that, in the early days, most of the programmers were native
> English speakers, and as such, wrote tools and compilers that
> best fit their native linguistic models.  If computerdom had
> started in Germany, then I'd wager that we'd see more languages
> which used a German grammatic style.

Which would be close to English, English being a Germanic
language.  Old English actuallylooks more German than English
to my untrained eyes.


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Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

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At Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:28:44 -0600,
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 22:37 GMT, Erik Steffl penned:
> > 
> >english has a fairly simple a regular grammar so it's
> >fairly easy to create english based programming language -
> >the basic control structures are pretty much english
> >sentences.
> > 
> >This would be fairly hard todo in other languages that has
> >more irregular grammar (the ones I know anything about
> >have a lot more complicated/irregular grammar).
> 
> Hrm.  German and Latin are much more regular than English.
> French is, too, iirc.  English has a *lot* of irregularity.

If regularity is what you want, nothing beats good old binary.
The first alien communication we'll download will probably be
written in it.


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Re: Decent browsers for Linux? Anything to replace IE?

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At Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:19:27 -0400,
Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> 
> Wathen, Metherion wrote:
> 
> > Personally, I prefer Opera for linux, on my old box it loads
> > at least twice as fast as Mozilla, not that I dislike
> > mozilla, opera was just faster.  have they got tabbed
> > browsing in ie yet?
> > 
> Have you tried Firebird at all?  I find that it loads quicker
> than anything else.  Even on Windows it loads quicker than IE.

I'm sure it can't possibly load any faster than the three
text-mode browsers I have installed ;-): lynx, w3m and edbrowse.
(You could also think of wget as an offline browser.)  But let's
see.  Should loading time be that much of an issue once the
program is loaded and you're using it?

> What I really like about FireBird is that it is totally
> self-contained.  All the files and libs you need are in the
> program's own folder.  So at school, I downloaded it into my
> home directory, so that when I am forced to use a Windows
> machine (like in most of the labs) I have right there already.
> It's great.

You can probably also download versions of lynx, links (and its
cousins), and w3m for Windows and even DOS.


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Re: cdrecord problem recording audio CD

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At Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:01:08 -0400,
stan wrote:
> 
> I'm using gramofile to record tracks from an LP and split them
> into indivudal .wav fies. I've done this a lot in the past, and
> have always been able to go to the individual tarcks on my CD
> player. But,as I said, I've lost my notes on how to run
> cdrecord. I tried:
> 
> cdrecord -v -pad speed=16 dev=0,0 -audio s*v
> 
> But that seems to have created a CD that I can;'s go to teh
> individual traks non.
> 
> What am I doing wrong hre?

Maybe you need to add option -dao.  You might also need to add an
option like fs=XXm (where m stands for megabyte) to prevent a
buffer underrun (or to prevent burnproof from kicking in).  My
burn command is simply:

cdrecord -dao speed=8 dev=0,0,0 *.wav


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Re: Searching for an editor...

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At Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:24:37 -0400,
Peter S Galbraith wrote:
> 
> Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[...]

> > I understand the point about Emacs being as "graphical" as
> > anything else in a certain way, but I can't believe *you*
> > don't understand what I meant with "graphical". :-)
> 
> I guess I don't.  Emacs _is_ graphical.  And it has addons to
> do just about anything.
> 
> And CVS Emacs even uses GTK2...

When will you package it? ;-)


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:38:52 +0100,
Clive Menzies wrote:

[...]

> > Maybe in 50 years the Muslims will be turning out killer cars
> > like Germany or killer stereos like Japan.
>
> Does it ever occur to you that their idea of progress is not to
> emulate Germany, Japan or even America.  The Iraqis have a
> right to self determination.  Germany has numerous problems and
> is no longer the economic dynamo that it was; Japan has been in
> recession for 14 years.

 Please don't equate a certain sample with the whole.
There are progressive and fairly democratic, if not exactly First
World Muslim majority states like Malaysia and
Turkey. 


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:07:12 -0700, Tom wrote:
> >

[...]

> Maybe in 50 years the Muslims will be turning out killer cars
> like Germany or killer stereos like Japan.

Well, Muslims are turning out cars, and not just the killer cars
some rogue religious fundamentalists use to make their point.
You're just looking at the wrong place.  I suspect your keyboard
or mouse is manufactured in a Muslim majority state somewhere
north of Australia.

You can als note that the Arab peninsula was once the
technological center of the world.  The Renaissance was in part
possible because Arab scientists and scholars were able to
preserve the science, lore and superstitions of the ancient
Greeks and Romans.


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:42:06 +0200,
Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:58:32 -0700, 
> Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > > ..for samples, google "SCO Linux".  SCO claims they have
> > > 350 and Microsoft 25 000 "coders", and they are up against
> > > 20 million of us,
> > > 
> > > the GPL and US copyright law, and, face it, we and they too
> > > all knows _who_ is on the right side.  ;-)
> > 
> > From http://www.personaldelphiagents.com/delphi_stats.html:
> > (First place I could find)
> > 
> > Currently, there are approximately 10,000,000 Developers
> > worldwide in 2002:
> >   - 1,000,000 Borland Users
> >   - 2,000,000 Java Developers
> >   - 2,000,000 C/C++ Developers
> >   - 5,000,000 Visual Basic Developers

And the number of elisp hackers?

> ..and the 600 million or so Wintendo users.  ;-)

VB's probably the most popular development environment.  You can
even get get it via email ;-)


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Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45 -0700,
Erik Steffl wrote:

[...]

>think about it: when learning english the only challenge is
> to learn how to pronounce words (and learn irregular
> verbs). you built vocabulary by learning words, where you
> pretty much only need to remember the word itself (in its basic
> form). while when learning german... I don't even want to think
> about it.

Because everybody from the poor war orphan "Hey, Joe, eat!" to
the UN Secretary General speaks it, English has become a rather
tolerant language.  But if the same standard for proper German is
applied to what one considers proper English, then yes, German is
easier to learn.  It's a purer, therefore more consistent
language, than the French-infected English.


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Re: Searching for an editor...

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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:05:02 -0400,
Peter S Galbraith wrote:
> 

[...]

> And as in all open source projects, it's not necessarily the
> same people working on Emacs than on the Hurd.  You can't tell
> Emacs developers to stop and work on something else instead.

Unless The Hurd could be implemented as a set of elisp routines
running atop the Emacs *MACRO*kernel ;-).


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:45:48 +0800,
David Palmer. wrote:

[...]

> What started the inciting were bombs dropped on Bin Laden and
> his Taliban.  Up until then, America had been supplying the
> Taliban with arms, and the C.I.A. had been involved with field
> assistance.  When a gas and oil field was discovered under
> Kazakstan, Turkmenistan and Northern Afghanistan larger than
> the Caspian Sea, that all changed.  Iraq has 25% of the worlds'
> oil reserves, and also the refineries so close.  Perfect solution
> to the Texas oil lobby who were running desperately dry.

The usual conspiracy theory from the fusion power lobby.


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Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

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At Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:24:44 -0700,
Vineet Kumar wrote:
> 
> [1  ]
> * csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031018 03:22]:
> > At Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:28:44 -0600,
> > Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 22:37 GMT, Erik Steffl penned:
> > > > 
> > > >english has a fairly simple a regular grammar so it's
> > > >fairly easy to create english based programming language -
> > > >the basic control structures are pretty much english
> > > >sentences.
> > > > 
> > > >This would be fairly hard todo in other languages that has
> > > >more irregular grammar (the ones I know anything about
> > > >have a lot more complicated/irregular grammar).
> > > 
> > > Hrm.  German and Latin are much more regular than English.
> > > French is, too, iirc.  English has a *lot* of irregularity.
> > 
> > If regularity is what you want, nothing beats good old binary.
> > The first alien communication we'll download will probably be
> > written in it.
> 
> binary is an encoding scheme, not a language.  For instance,
> this English that I'm typing right now is stored and sent
> through the network as binary data.  It's no less English. To
> say that something is written in binary doesn't mean all that
> much; it's the interpretation of the bits that gives any
> meaning to an otherwise arbitrary stream of bits.

All languages are encoding schemes.  I encode my thoughts in the
English language for transmission to this ML.

> If you're reading this, it's because we've both agreed to
> interpret this particular stream of bits as an encoding of
> characters known as "ASCII".

If we understand each other, it's because we both agreed to
interpret this stream of characters as an instance of the English
language.  This would be meaningless to somebody who knows, let's
say, only Chinese or Hindi.

> I highly doubt that any extraterrestrial transmission will
> arrive in ASCII.  I'd predict just the opposite of your
> "probably": I think it's more likely that we'll get an analog
> signal that we can make some sense out of (probably it will
> "sound" like something) than a binary digital signal that we
> can decode into something other than noise.

Binary is simply the language of opposites: hot and cold, light
and dark, big and small, capitalist and communist.  Any
intelligent civilization ought to have made such abstractions.
I can imagine an alien tranmission consisting of morse-code like
short and long light pulses in a pattern that distinguishes it
statistically from naturally occurring pulsars.


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Re: palm on debian

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At Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:29:35 -0500,
Erinn wrote:
> 
> One time on Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 02:51:52PM +1300 this person
> named Paul William wrote:
> > 
> > I am getting a new palm (tunsten E) tomorrow. My last palm
> > m105 was sold before I switched to Debian and worked fine in
> > mdk.
> > 
> > Is there any tip /things-i-need-todo to get a usb palm
> > working in debian (apart from installing the right software)?
> 
> This is what I've done:
> 
> 1. I use gPilot. Other people may recommend something else.
>
>o gPilot uses usb and defaults to /dev/pilot
>o ln -s /dev/ttyUSBx /dev/pilot
>  I should mention here mine uses ttyUSB0 - you can check
>  /var/log/messages when you plug your Palm in and try to
>  sync it. It will tell you which ttyUSB it is. Or you can
>  play around until you figure it out :)
>o chmod 660 ttyUSBx - and make sure you're in the dialout
>  group
>o chown username ttyUSBx

Is this necessary?  Doesn't this simply duplicate the rw
permissions you get from being in the dialout group?  (My only
experience with a PDA is with the late great Psion, which connects
via a dump serial port.)


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Illegal characters in cron

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I'm having trouble getting the following to work in my crontab:

30 1 * * *  mailfilter -M ~/.mailfilterrc -L 
~/autosave/log/mailfilter/mailfilter-`date +%Y%m%d%H%M`.log

But the following appears to work:

30 1 * * *  mailfilter -M ~/.mailfilterrc -L 
~/autosave/log/mailfilter/mailfilter-`date -I`.log

Which however doesn't give me the nice differentiating precision
of `date +%Y%m%d%H%M`.


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Re: Illegal characters in cron

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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:05:46 -0500,
Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 05:46:59AM +0800, csj wrote:

> | I'm having trouble getting the following to work in my
> | crontab:
> | 
> | 30 1 * * *  mailfilter -M ~/.mailfilterrc -L 
> ~/autosave/log/mailfilter/mailfilter-`date +%Y%m%d%H%M`.log

[...]

> It took me a long time to figure out the same problem (but with
> a different command).  Well, my cron job that wouldn't work was
> a monthly job and so I pretty much had to wait until the next
> month to test any changes.
> 
> The key is this snippet from crontab(5) :
> 
>The sixth field (the rest of the line) specifies the
>command to be run.  The entire command portion of the
>line, up to a newline or % character, will be executed
>by /bin/sh or by the shell specified in the SHELL
>variable of the crontab file.  Percentsigns (%) in the
>command, unless escaped with backslash (\), will be
>changed into newline charac ters, and all data after the
>first % will be sent to the command as standard input.
> 
> Change all '%' in your command to '\%'.

Thanks to you and Ken.  Pretty obvious I should have RTFMed.  But
my problem is "crontab(1)".  I've always wondered what those
parenthetical man numbers(N) mean.  Time to "man man";-).


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Re: AverTV Studio & Sound

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At Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:23:26 -0500,
Greg Folkert wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 11:10, techlists wrote:
> > bttv0: Bt878 (rev 17) at 00:0f.0, irq: 11, latency: 64, memory: 0xcbdf
> > e000
> > bttv0: detected: AVerMedia TVPhone98 [card=41], PCI subsystem ID is 14
> > 61:0003
> > bttv0: using: BT878(AVerMedia TVPhone 98) [card=41,autodetected]
> > i2c-core.o: adapter bt848 #0 registered as adapter 0.
> > bttv0: Avermedia eeprom[0x4803]: tuner=2
> > bttv0: i2c: checking for MSP34xx @ 0x80... not found
> > bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA9875 @ 0xb0... not found
> > bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA7432 @ 0x8a... not found
> > tvaudio: TV audio decoder + audio/video mux driver
> > tvaudio: known chips: tda9840,tda9873h,tda9874a,tda9850,tda9855,tea630
> > 0,tea6420,tda8425,pic16c54 (PV951)
> 
> Well it looks like you have an unsupported tuner Just like
> I do.  (the "not found" gives that away)

The OP did say he has a picture, but no sound.  So the tuner is
at least partly supported.

> bttv is not heavy on the updates lately.
> 
> There in lies your problem.

Most cards have an audio line-out.  That might work.  Plug the
line-out to the line-in of the audio soundcard.  I have pretty
much no-name card.


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disappearing wallpaper

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It's not a big thing but my wallpaper disappeared after I
"upgraded" to Gnome 2.4.  I'm not using Gnome proper but simply
running the "gnome-settings-daemon" as part of my fluxbox GDM
session file:

#!/bin/sh
#
# /etc/gdm/Sessions/fluxbox

export LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
gnome-settings-daemon &
wmCalClock &
wmMoonClock &
wmppp &
asmon -e gnome-system-monitor -u &
source ~/.01_Fluxbox_User_Extra_Options
exec /etc/X11/Xsession /usr/bin/fluxbox
#EOF

This setup has worked reasonably well until the latest Gnome 2.4
updates.  Gnome 2.4 settings other than the wallpaper (configured
by "gnome-background-properties") appears to be unaffected,
e.g. the size of the menu fonts in The Gimp or Gnome terminal.

What's surprising is that if I run "gnome-background-properties"
and so much as change an option (even if I don't change the
wallpaper itself), the wallpaper reappears!  I suspect
"gnome-background-properties" is passing behind my back some
"magic" options to some "magic" Gnome process.  Otherwise there's
no significant difference in the output of "ps ax" before and
after running "gnome-background-properties".


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Re: Looking for a better info-file viewer

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:34:43 -0800,
Tom wrote:
> 
> God, I hate trying to read info documents.  I tried pinfo: at
> least I could navigate ok, but I still feel overwhelmed by the
> # of links each page has.
> 
> "Info" is such a generic term I'm having trouble searching for
> alternatives.  What are some?

Emacs has a nice built-in info viewer.


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Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

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> On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 18:09, Paul Johnson wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 11:18:56AM -0600, Ray wrote:
> >
> > if you heard there was a movie/game/tech that had marketing
> > running for 3 years before release, wouldn't that be a sign
> > of major suckage to you too?

Marketing can take many forms in the Age of the Net.  Somebody's
seemingly random blog could actually be a promo for the Next Big
Thing.

> History is repeating itself.  See also: Daikatana.  I would
> have said Duke Nukem Forever, but it *still* hasn't come out
> (originally was slated to compete against Quake II), but at
> the rate it's going, it's more like Duke Nukem Whenever.

I've stumbled upon the free (BSD-style license) shooter Cube
.  Have any frag freaks here
tried it?  It seems fast enough for my mediocre video card.  Just
wondering why there isn't a Debian package for it.


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Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused

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On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 02:17:47 +1100,
Rob Weir wrote:
> 
> > csj wrote:
> >
> > >Real world case: scribus (probably the best GPL'ed or better
> > >DTP app).
> 
> I never did find out about this.  If it doesn't work, perhaps
> you should file a wishlist bug on the package asking for
> support.

Apparently fixed in the CVS version (unpackaged) of the program.
Another proof that the opensource method works?


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Line editors

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On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:13:01 +,
Pigeon wrote:

[...]

> ed is /bin/ed - the *nix equivalent of Edlin... I use it for
> simple/repetitive edits (like sticking "> " at the beginning of
> each line of something I'm going to quote) and/or where I don't
> want to lose the context of what I'm working on by wiping out
> the contents of the screen opening a full screen editor.

Sometimes I find sed to be much handier than ed.  One thing I
miss in ed is my shell's history function.  If I have to operate
on multiple lines I tend to use "sed 's|xxx|yyy| ... ;
s|XXX|YYY|' file.txt".  If I mistype "s|xxy" instead of "s|xxx",
I can just Ctrl-P and (re)edit my last command.

Sed is of course a stream editor.  So I'm just wondering if
anybody knows of a line editor with a multiline history function.


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Re: stability of libc6-i686?

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On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:33:34 -0700,
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> 
> Unstable has a new package available: libc6-i686.  Apparently
> libc6 optimized for the 686 architecture.  Now, this sounds
> attractive to me, but the package warns of commercial apps
> potentially blowing chunks.  IBM's jdk is specifically called
> out for this.
> 
> Does it seem fairly safe to go ahead and install this?  If the
> problem is only with commercial apps, it shouldn't crash my
> system or anything, right?

To add to the question: Is it safe to build this (and still be
able to build third-party free or almost free software like
MPlayer or the DRI XF86 fork)?  I see a massive build-dependency
on something called linux-kernel-headers.


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linux-kernel-headers foul-up

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What precisely does this package do?  It's listed as a dependency
of the latest libc6 packages (which I made the mistake of
compiling then installing).  The package appears to introduce
massive breakage when compiling any program that links to some
kernel function (e.g. mplayer and xawtv doing framebuffer video).
I'm a bit suspicious of the version number: 2.5.999-test7-bk-6.


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Re: Line editors

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On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:23:13 -0500,
Gregory Seidman wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 10:22:24AM +0800, csj wrote:
> } On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:13:01 +,
> } Pigeon wrote:
> } 
> } [...]
> } 
> } > ed is /bin/ed - the *nix equivalent of Edlin... I use it for
> } > simple/repetitive edits (like sticking "> " at the beginning of
> } > each line of something I'm going to quote) and/or where I don't
> } > want to lose the context of what I'm working on by wiping out
> } > the contents of the screen opening a full screen editor.
> } 
> } Sometimes I find sed to be much handier than ed.  One thing I
> } miss in ed is my shell's history function.  If I have to operate
> } on multiple lines I tend to use "sed 's|xxx|yyy| ... ;
> } s|XXX|YYY|' file.txt".  If I mistype "s|xxy" instead of "s|xxx",
> } I can just Ctrl-P and (re)edit my last command.
> } 
> } Sed is of course a stream editor.  So I'm just wondering if
> } anybody knows of a line editor with a multiline history function.
> 
> Look into rlwrap, which wraps pretty much anything with
> libreadline functionality. Very cool. It's even smart enough to
> echo  on password prompts; I mostly use it with xboard on
> FICS.

Just what I need.  Thanks!


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Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

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Onc Sun, 2 Nov 2003 18:49:23 +,
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 07:36:36AM +0800, csj wrote:
>  
> > I've stumbled upon the free (BSD-style license) shooter Cube
> > <http://wouter.fov120.com/cube/>.  Have any frag freaks here
> > tried it?  It seems fast enough for my mediocre video card.  Just
> > wondering why there isn't a Debian package for it.
> 
> It wasn't originally DFSG compatible... it has been around for
> a while but has always been an 'underdog' sort-of game.

Many of the free games available in main will give you the same
feeling when compared with commercially developed games like
Quake and cousins.  All I'm looking for is a first person
perspective game that doesn't strap you on to a seat (e.g. gltron
and flightgear).

> The author Aardappel has many interesting works for doom and
> quake, as well as an impressive list of programming languages
> under his belt.
> 
> I'm hoping it will be packaged soon, although I don't think
> much has been done to it in a while.

Kind of reminds you of a certain highly stable GNU/Linuxdistro?
Really, there are tons of DOS or Win 3.1 era games that are
infinitely more fun than the latest 3D fragfest.  Right now I'm
trying out the freeware "beneath-a-steel-sky" (I wonder how it
made it into main).

> However I suppose with a larger audience...
>
> If I can find some free time I may package it and have it
> sponsored.

Waiting...;-)


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Re: Line editors

[csj]

At Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:54:44 -0800,
Paul Johnson wrote:
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 12:23:13PM -0500, Gregory Seidman wrote:

> > Look into rlwrap, which wraps pretty much anything with
> > libreadline functionality. Very cool. It's even smart enough
> > to echo  on password prompts; I mostly use it with xboard
> > on FICS.
> 
> I'm not sure this is a feature...watching people can still tell how
> many characters you're typing.

Don't be paranoid ;-).  Really, if I want to input a password I'd
drop into a real shell.


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Re: linux-kernel-headers foul-up

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At Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:12:07 +0100,
wsa wrote:
> 
> Thanks for explaining this in the other thread aswell.  What i
> wanted to ask, could this package be the cause of custom 2.4.22
> kernels not going past INIT (today's update fixed this problem)
> which i and a few other people experienced over the last
> weekend?

I have recompiled (and run) my custom 2.4.X kernel against the
new libc6 without any problems.

> The original poster mentioned both mplayer and xawtv breakage, both i 
> use because the server(mplayer self compiled)acts as a vcr aswell. Does 
> this mean i should not recompile either one and leave them as is?

Xine also fails to compile (ditto nvrec, a low overhead recording
program).  My conclusion: all video applications are affected.
This is as far as compiling goes.  I've seen no problems with a
previously working program suddenly failing to run.

> And last question, if this new splitting stuff causes breakage
> who will solve this? is this a debian issue, a linux issue or
> should the sources of for example mplayer be changed?

Actually I can see the benefits of splitting.  For me the problem
was that the glibc team decided to use the broken (tm) 2.6
kernel.  Fixing the problem should be as easy as rebuilding the
linux-kernel-headers source by sticking in your own
kernel-headers (from your custom make-kpkg kernel) into ./include
and perhaps deleting the ./debian/patches directory.  Install the
hacked package over the official Debian version, and you're good
to recompile mplayer, xine, xawtv and friends.  To be on the safe
side, restore the official Debin package after the operation.

My proposed reportbug fix is to have linux-kernel-headers as a
virtual "provides" package.  Then we could have separate 2.2, 2.4
and 2.6 headers packages, the same way we already have separate
kernel packages for 2.2, 2.4 and the broken 2.6 kernel.

> Every time i start to think 'i'm getting the hang of linux'
> things like this happen...lib stuff...compile stuff...at times
> i think i need spiked mountain shoes to climb the learning
> curve ;)

Things like these don't happen to normal people.


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Re: linux-kernel-headers foul-up

[csj]

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:03:30 +,
Colin Watson wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:52:16PM +0800, csj wrote:
> > What precisely does this package do?  It's listed as a dependency
> > of the latest libc6 packages (which I made the mistake of
> > compiling then installing).
> 
> It includes the files in /usr/include/linux and
> /usr/include/asm which used to be part of libc6-dev. This is
> simply a packaging reorganization.

Well, before the reorganization, I had an easy job recompiling
mplayer and friends.

> > The package appears to introduce massive breakage when
> > compiling any program that links to some kernel function
> > (e.g. mplayer and xawtv doing framebuffer video).
> 
> Programs written that way always had a sword of potential
> breakage hanging over them. The standard way to deal with this
> at the moment, suboptimal though it is, is to copy the header
> files you need from the kernel and include them in your own
> package; that way you're safe from changes to glibc.

IMHO a better way would be to have linux-kernel-headers as a
virtual package supplied by linux-kernel-headers-2.4,
linux-kernel-headers-2.2 and linux-kernel-headers-2.6.

> > I'm a bit suspicious of the version number:
> > 2.5.999-test7-bk-6.
> 
> The move to 2.6 headers was necessary in order to support NPTL
> in glibc.

What's that?


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Re: linux-kernel-headers foul-up

[csj]

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:10:49 +0100,
wsa wrote:

> Well, I'm having serious problems with Mplayer, actually with
> mencoder to be exact.  I have a load of automated 'vcr'
> recording scripts.  These scripts have always worked and have
> given out the right kind of files with the right kind of
> bitrate(given in the script) correct timings, correct
> audio...and so...in short...perfectly fine mpeg 4 recordings.

I also use some vcr scripts.  But now I don't recall having run
them with the new libc6 before I recompiled mplayer.  The upgrade
apparently took out some library my unpackaged mplayer (in
/usr/local/stow) depended.  I was forced to recompile.  But xine
and xawtv ran in their pristine Debian installed form.

> Right now running one of those scripts, so it's not me making a
> command mistake, result in an avi with the wrong bitrate, wrong
> timing/length (not running for the total given time), utterly
> messed up sound and so on.FUBAR.
> 
> This is with an mplayer/mencoder version compiled from CVS
> which worked fine before this header stuff came along last
> friday, last time i did a compile of the mplayer source was
> about 2 weeks ago.
> 
> So mencoder does run, but it has become useless. So apart from
> compile time this whole thing also messes up at least some
> already compiled programms.

Maybe it's time to file a serious bug report against
linux-kernel-headers.  IMHO there should at least be two header
packages, one for 2.4 and another for 2.6.  One could be
installed by default, but if that breaks your system you could
install the alternate.

If my suggestion is brain-damaged then perhaps someone could
propose a better solution (hopefully not by forcing everybody to
upgrade to 2.6).  Speak up and be heard ;-).  The future of your
kernel-linked apps is in the air.


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Re: GUI login screen and non-root shutdown...

[csj]

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:56:47 -0600,
Kent West wrote:

[...]

> If you have an X session going, and you switch to a VTx, you
> can then log in as a different user and start a second X
> session with a command like "startx -- :1". Go to a third VT
> and start a third session with a command like "startx --
> :2"). You can then switch between these X sessions with
> Ctrl-Alt-F[7|8|9]. NOTE: Test first when you don't have
> anything important running; some video setups can't handle this
> and might freeze the box.

If you have gdm installed and running you can run
gdmflexiserver.  (Recommended only for home users.)


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Re: Crash in fork.c on everything = install hosed

[csj]

On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 19:42:08 -0500,
Mental Patient wrote:

[...]

> Last time I broke libc, I fixed it by booting off my rescue
> (knoppix) cd.  Mounted all the filesystems under
> /mnt/debian. It looked like
> 
> /mnt/debian
> /mnt/debian/boot
> /mnt/debian/usr
> /mnt/debian/var
> 
> etc...
> 
> I used knoppix to download the libc6 deb and copied it to the root 
> filesystem (/mnt/debian) of the hosed installation.
> 
> I then cd'd into /mnt/debian and did the following: ar x
> PACKAGE.deb That left 2 files, data.tar.gz and
> control.tar.gz. I untared data.tar.gz and rebooted.

Does knoppix come with a working dpkg?  If it does you can also
you dpkg -x PACKAGE.deb target_directory

> It worked, I was fine. Just to be sure, I did an apt-get
> --reinstall install libc6 to make sure everything was updated
> (package info, control scripts, etc).


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Re: linux-kernel-headers foul-up

[csj]

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:36:21 +1100,
Rob Weir wrote:

[...]

> > Xine also fails to compile (ditto nvrec, a low overhead
> > recording program).  My conclusion: all video applications
> > are affected.
> 
> Eh?  The only things that could possibly be affected are those
> using kernel headers because they need to access some to
> special kernel service, like the framebuffer.  If you build
> mplayer/whatever without framebuffer support, it will not use
> the kernel headers at all.

Well, to get your tv card to wrok you need kernel level support.
So I can't compile mplayer with the new "headers" installed and
enable its TV viewing and recording features at the same time.

> > > And last question, if this new splitting stuff causes
> > > breakage who will solve this? is this a debian issue, a
> > > linux issue or should the sources of for example mplayer be
> > > changed?
> > 
> > Actually I can see the benefits of splitting.  For me the
> > problem was that the glibc team decided to use the broken
> > (tm) 2.6 kernel.
> 
> As Colin said, this was neccessary for NPTL support.  They
> should be completely backwards compatible.

I can't argue with that.  All my other programs are running
without crashing.  I'm talking about hassle-free compiling, which
is the most important part of the Debian experience.

> > Fixing the problem should be as easy as rebuilding the
> > linux-kernel-headers source by sticking in your own kernel-headers
> > (from your custom make-kpkg kernel) into ./include and perhaps
> > deleting the ./debian/patches directory.  
> 
> Do you know what will happen if you start mixing things with
> NPTL support compiled in with these programs?  I don't.

Well they're userspace programs (all installed in
/usr/local/stow).  So the worse I expect is a user program crash.
I don't run mplayer as root.  Then again the parent post in
question was dealing with hacks.  So "fix" was used in a relative
sense, kind of like fixing your fuzzy TV by kicking it. (Try it
sometimes, it does work.  Just do kick it too hard.)

> > My proposed reportbug fix is to have linux-kernel-headers as
> > a virtual "provides" package.  Then we could have separate
> > 2.2, 2.4 and 2.6 headers packages, the same way we already
> > have separate kernel packages for 2.2, 2.4 and the broken 2.6
> > kernel.
> 
> These are for userspace, not kernel modules.

But they really don't work with some programs that must compile
against certain kernel features.  And some programs do need to
use kernel level features or they won't work at all.  How do you
for example disable the framebuffer feature for a framebuffer
video player (fbxine or fbtv).  So if I want to compile a
full-featured mplayer I have to resort to some ugly, non-Debian
hack (cobbling together a private package containing the 2.4
headers so that I could easiy uninstall later).  If there's a
kernel-headers package for 2.4 then I could install that to get
an elegant, Debian-sanctioned hack.

> The 2.5 kernel headers should work fine with any kernel at all.
> If there is a bug in them, it should be fixed, not replaced.

Well, I wasn't ranting about the kernel headers being
kernel-incompatible, which was kind of the point of my saying
that I managed to recompile my kernel because it doesn't depend
on whatever is in linux-kernel-headers (because it has its own
headers to worry about).


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Re: linux-kernel-headers foul-up

[csj]

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:37:04 +,
Colin Watson wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 09:47:17AM +0800, csj wrote:
> > Maybe it's time to file a serious bug report against
> > linux-kernel-headers.  IMHO there should at least be two header
> > packages, one for 2.4 and another for 2.6.  One could be
> > installed by default, but if that breaks your system you could
> > install the alternate.
> 
> No, this is WRONG, and it WILL NOT WORK. You can't swap in
> another set of stuff under /usr/include/{linux,asm} that
> disagrees with what glibc was compiled with. That hierarchy is
> chiefly for glibc's internal use; applications were never
> supposed to use it directly.

I get your point.  But can't we treat 2.6 the way we treat The
Hurd ;-)? 

> Applications that need kernel headers should make and use
> sanitized private copies of the relevant interfaces in kernel
> headers. They should never care about what happens to be in
> /usr/include/{linux,asm}.

OK.  A newbieish compile question: how do I point a program to
use, say, /usr/local/include/{linux,asm}?


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Re: galeon 1.3.x fuckwittedness -- 1.2.5 fork, anyone?

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On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:52:17 +,
Karsten M. Self wrote:

[...]

> A large part of the problem was that Galeon's former lead
> developer, Marco Presenti Gritti drifted from "a browser for
> power users" to "a browser for the masses".  One of the best
> things to happen to Galeon was that it's been kicked from GNOME
> by Epiphany, Havoc Pennington's latest folly.

Are you accusing the masses of being stupid ;-?  I sometimes find
it difficult to decide between KDE's byzantine poweruserness and
Gnome's underwhelming elegance.  Sure, it's probably easier to
code around Gnome's limitations.  But for those whose coding
ability is limited to hacking makefiles it would be a long wait
for a similarly frustrated power coder.

Example of what I find wrong with Epiphany:  No way to embed
links inside folders.


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[OT] Re: Red Hat

[csj]

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:46:48 +0100,
Richard Lyons wrote:

[...]

> Dunno why I care really.  I only bought boxed sets of 4.1, 4.2,
> 7.1, 7.2, 7.3...  and I suppose I would never have got to
> Debian if I hadn't cut my teeth on RH.  End of an era, just the
> same.

End of the branded boxed-set era?  Redhat, thru its Fedora
project, is still releasing ISO-based installers for that "It's
nice to have a backup feeling"!  The Linux saga is coming full
circle.  Born in the Net, hopefully it won't die in the Net.


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Re: [OT] SCO's crack legal team

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On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:52:09 -0600,
Greg Norris wrote:
> 
> I thought this might provide some much-needed amusement... My
> wife has put together a picture of SCO's crack legal team,
> which pretty much explains their entire strategy.  Feel free to
> share! ;-)
> 
>http://home.kc.rr.com/snidely/cornscolio.gif

Speaking of IP hassles, maybe you should have exported that into
the free png format.


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Re: linux-kernel-headers foul-up [RESOLVED]

[csj]

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:33:14 +,
Colin Watson wrote:

[...]

> > > Applications that need kernel headers should make and use
> > > sanitized private copies of the relevant interfaces in
> > > kernel headers. They should never care about what happens
> > > to be in /usr/include/{linux,asm}.
> > 
> > OK.  A newbieish compile question: how do I point a program to
> > use, say, /usr/local/include/{linux,asm}?
> 
> Use gcc's -I flag.

Okay, thanks for the pointer.  I can't find any options in
mplayer's ./configure script for this.  I had to hack
./config.mak:

OPTFLAGS = -O4 -march=athlon -mcpu=athlon -pipe -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer 
-D_REENTRANT -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/local/src/linux/include

So maybe this story has a moral to it.  Still, it seems to me
that Debian is doing some non-standard stuff.   Why
else would the mplayer developers look for their headers by
default in /usr/include/linux/? 

I can see a problem if developers wants to put out a source
package of their latest and greatest program and it wants to link
to the kernel.  Where would they point it to?


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Re: Voice dictation

[csj]

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:14:30 -0800,
Bill Wohler wrote:
> 
> Once upon a time, long, long, ago, I used ViaVoice from IBM to
> do dictation. Pretty good stuff.
> 
> Earlier this year I replaced my system; today I tried to
> reinstall ViaVoice from the CD I had originally received from
> IBM. No joy. It depends on some shared libraries that are long
> gone.
> 
> Since IBM no longer supports it, I think I just need to forget
> about ViaVoice.
> 
> Is anyone familiar with any other voice dictation programs for
> Linux?

Try "sphinx".  I suspect it might not fall into your "pretty
good" category.


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[OT] routing failed

[csj]

I'm using exim 3.36.  When sending mail to one mailing list (most
obviously *not* Debian because you're reading this post) I get
the following error:

2003-11-07 09:54:55 routing failed for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
unrouteable mail domain "localhost.invalid"
*** Frozen (delivery error message)

I know localhost.invalid is, well, invalid.  But I don't know
what else to put down as my local domain.  I'm using as many as
five different dialup ISPs to send mail and using Exim's direct
delivery option seems far more convenient than reconfiguring exim
each time I connect to a different ISP (which happens as many as
three times a day).


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Can't build X (unstable and experimental)

[csj]

I can't build either the unstable or experimental versions of
Debian's xfree86 packages (4.2 and 4.3).  The build ends with the
following error messages:

#BEGIN STDERR
lnx_io.c: In function `KDKBDREP_ioctl_ok':
lnx_io.c:90: error: structure has no member named `rate'
lnx_io.c:98: error: structure has no member named `rate'
lnx_io.c:100: error: structure has no member named `rate'
lnx_io.c:101: error: structure has no member named `rate'
lnx_io.c:102: error: structure has no member named `rate'
make[8]: *** [lnx_io.o] Error 1
make[8]: Leaving directory 
`/xb/build/debuild/newbuild/XFree86/xfree86-4.3.0/build-tree/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/os-support/linux'
make[7]: *** [linux] Error 2
make[7]: Leaving directory 
`/xb/build/debuild/newbuild/XFree86/xfree86-4.3.0/build-tree/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/os-support'
make[6]: *** [all] Error 2
make[6]: Leaving directory 
`/xb/build/debuild/newbuild/XFree86/xfree86-4.3.0/build-tree/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86'
make[5]: *** [hw/xfree86] Error 2
make[5]: Leaving directory 
`/xb/build/debuild/newbuild/XFree86/xfree86-4.3.0/build-tree/xc/programs/Xserver'
make[4]: *** [all] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory 
`/xb/build/debuild/newbuild/XFree86/xfree86-4.3.0/build-tree/xc/programs'
make[3]: *** [all] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory 
`/xb/build/debuild/newbuild/XFree86/xfree86-4.3.0/build-tree/xc'
make[2]: *** [World] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory 
`/xb/build/debuild/newbuild/XFree86/xfree86-4.3.0/build-tree/xc'
make[1]: *** [World] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory 
`/xb/build/debuild/newbuild/XFree86/xfree86-4.3.0/build-tree/xc'
make: *** [stampdir/stamp-build] Error 2
debuild: fatal error at line 469:
dpkg-buildpackage failed!
#END STDERR

Significant is that this is the first time in months that I
haven't been able to build two different or successive versions
of X.  Maybe somebody can identify the error and, if needed,
file a more meaningful bug report.


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Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"

[csj]

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 at 12:27:11 -0600,
Ron Johnson wrote:

[...]

> On the other end of the scale, there are, as far as I know, no
> OSS packages comparable to Reader Rabbit or Calendar Creator or
> Act!  or EndNote or Quark.

You can compare Scribus to Quark.

> Some are ok, but in many cases, nothing is out there in the OSS
> world.

Up to the limits of the DMCA, there's always something out there.
Just maybe not with the polish, total feature set and
user-friendliness you'd expect from a comercially developed
product.  The only exception perhaps would be the games.

For example, you can compare Blender (GPL) to Maya.  Is the
comparsion good?  Most likely not.  But if all you want to create
is one-minute CGI video animation, you can get away with
blender.  (At least that's the impression I get from the Blender
site's gallery.)  Do you want desktop publishing on *n*x, you can
use Scribus.  Is it better than Quark.  Most likely not.  But if
you want to layout your small office's newsletter it would do the
job just fine.


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Re: Any simple way to add modules w/o recompiling the kernel?

[csj]

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 on 07:30:19 -0500 (EST),
Andrew Perrin wrote:
> 
> In expectation of a new palm pilot arriving soon, I need to add
> two modules to my system: usbserial and visor.  What I've done
> in the past is to do a make menuconfig; select the new modules;
> make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision xx kernel_image;
> make-kpkg modules_image; cd /usr/src; dpkg -i *xx*deb; cd
> alc650; make install
> 
> This is quite cumbersome and can take several hours from start
> to finish, even on my moderately fast machine. Is there some
> shortcut for adding modules to an installation whose kernel
> structure will stay basically the same?

What do you mean by "moderately fast"?  On my Duron 800 it takes
no more than half an hour to compile a kernel and build a module or
two.  On my PII-350, I remember build times of less than an
hour.  I suspect you can have the modules built by the time your
new palm arrives.  Of course, the definition of fast tends to
change with each new Intel, AMD or Apple release.


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Re: linux-kernel-headers foul-up [RESOLVED]

[csj]

At Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:17:10 +,
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 09:19:45AM +0800, csj wrote:
>  
> > OPTFLAGS = ... -I/usr/local/src/linux/include
> 
> /usr/local/src/linux should be the linux kernel source code.

Apparently yes.  I was doing things by trial and error and
one of them the -I variants succeeded. 


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Re: [OT] routing failed

[csj]

On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 at 01:24:17 +0100,
David Jardine wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:30:00AM +0800, csj wrote:
> > I'm using exim 3.36.  When sending mail to one mailing list (most
> > obviously *not* Debian because you're reading this post) I get
> > the following error:
> > 
> > 2003-11-07 09:54:55 routing failed for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> > unrouteable mail domain "localhost.invalid"
> > *** Frozen (delivery error message)
> > 
> > I know localhost.invalid is, well, invalid.  But I don't know
> > what else to put down as my local domain.  I'm using as many as
> > five different dialup ISPs to send mail and using Exim's direct
> > delivery option seems far more convenient than reconfiguring exim
> > each time I connect to a different ISP (which happens as many as
> > three times a day).
> 
> In /etc/exim/exim.conf you need the line:
> 
> local_domains = localhost:my_machine
> 
> where my_machine is the name you've given it.

Well it's set up exaclty like that.  Again the problem is with
one particular mailing list (mplayer).  I want to know what
spam-prevention (or otherwise) tricks that ML is doing that I
can't get the mail out.  The Debian lists appear happy to accept
my "broken" setup (as amply demonstrated by this post).

Since I first got connected just three or four years ago, the Net
it seems has become a more and more paraonid place.


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Re: Can't build X (unstable and experimental)

[csj]

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:59:10 -0500,
David Z Maze wrote:
> 
> csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I can't build either the unstable or experimental versions of
> > Debian's xfree86 packages (4.2 and 4.3).  The build ends with the
> > following error messages:
> 
> Why are you building X?  Which X?  And how?

Because that way I save a couple of MB's download:  downloading
the .diff.gz that costs 1 or 2 MB's versus the tens of MB's
download of the prebuilt binaries.  I'm building the official and
"semi-official" Debian X packages by Branden and friends.

> My general recommendation, if you need XFree86 4.3 for hardware
> support, is to download the binary .tar.gz files for the X
> server only from xfree86.org, and unpack them somewhere like
> /usr/local where the Debian package management system won't
> step on them.

I am using the Debian package system on what in a roundabout way
are *official* Debian packages.  So I don't see any problem
there.  Once they're built they should be as good as the stuff
you apt-get over the Net, no?

> If you don't want to do that, there are several backports of
> XFree86 4.3 out there to your favorite (stable-or-newer) Debian
> distribution; see http://www.apt-get.org/ for details.

The backports are more trouble than their worth in MB's.  You're
never sure what exotic or obsoleted libraries they're built
against.  My motto: if you can build it, you can at least run it
(with a few buggy exceptions).

> > #BEGIN STDERR
> > lnx_io.c: In function `KDKBDREP_ioctl_ok':
> > lnx_io.c:90: error: structure has no member named `rate'
> > lnx_io.c:98: error: structure has no member named `rate'
> > lnx_io.c:100: error: structure has no member named `rate'
> > lnx_io.c:101: error: structure has no member named `rate'
> > lnx_io.c:102: error: structure has no member named `rate'
> 
> ...but if you really did want to track this down, look at the
> referenced line number, find the type of the structure that's
> being referenced, and figure out where that structure comes
> from.  If it randomly started losing on unstable in the past
> week, it's possible that the source is directly depending on a
>  header, but those headers changed from a
> 2.4.mumble kernel to a 2.6.0.mumble kernel recently.

I was told that that shouldn't be the case.  After all, the
official X source packages have a build time dependency on
kernel-headers-2.4, unlike mplayer, which, not being packaged,
may be excused from being clueless about Debian's system files
layout.  This assumes that the official X package is looking for
the  header supplied by kernel-headers-2.4
rather than the one supplied by llinux-kernel-headers.


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Re: linux-kernel-headers foul-up [RESOLVED]

[csj]

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 at 06:30:31 +0800,
 wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 at 11:17:10 +,
> Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 09:19:45AM +0800, csj wrote:
> >  
> > > OPTFLAGS = ... -I/usr/local/src/linux/include
> > 
> > /usr/local/src/linux should be the linux kernel source code.
> 
> Apparently yes.  I was doing things by trial and error and
> one of them the -I variants succeeded. 

Apparently no, at least as far as MPlayer is concerned.
Otherwise the kernel headers aren't recognized.  I also stumbled
upon the ./configure option --with-extraincdir=DIR (which
automates the trick).  The specified extra include dir must also
include the "include".  IRC I wasn't able to use this option some
CVS versions earlier because the option didn't stuff its
arguments in $OPTFLAGS but simply in $EXTRA_INC.  $OPTFLAGS now
references $EXTRA_INC (an ingeniously simple mod I must now
admit):

OPTFLAGS = -O4 -march=athlon -mcpu=athlon -pipe -ffast-math \
-fomit-frame-pointer -D_REENTRANT -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE \
-D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 $(EXTRA_INC)


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Re: [OT] routing failed

[csj]

On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 21:46:15 +0100,
David Jardine wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 08:51:46AM +0800, csj wrote:
> > On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 at 01:24:17 +0100,
> > David Jardine wrote:

[...]

> > Since I first got connected just three or four years ago, the
> > Net it seems has become a more and more paraonid place.
> 
> Indeed.  But not without justification.  There are some funny
> goings-on out there.  Why are your messages - only yours -
> scrutinized by "master" before being passed on to "murphy"?
> And why does master put adair's name in parenthesis as if he
> didn't believe he really existed?  And who is adair?  And why
> does he call you localhost.invalid?  Funny goings-on indeed...

Well I put them in.  localhost.invalid I believe is more polite
than putting, let's say, cnn.com as my domain.  What values do I
put in as my domain if I don't have one?


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Re: [OT] routing failed

[csj]

On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:10:52 +0100,
David Jardine wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 06:18:54AM +0800, csj wrote:
> > On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 21:46:15 +0100,
> > David Jardine wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 08:51:46AM +0800, csj wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 at 01:24:17 +0100,
> > > > David Jardine wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > > Since I first got connected just three or four years ago,
> > > > the Net it seems has become a more and more paraonid
> > > > place.
> > > 
> > > Indeed.  But not without justification.  There are some
> > > funny goings-on out there.  Why are your messages - only
> > > yours - scrutinized by "master" before being passed on to
> > > "murphy"?  And why does master put adair's name in
> > > parenthesis as if he didn't believe he really existed?  And
> > > who is adair?  And why does he call you localhost.invalid?
> > > Funny goings-on indeed...
> > 
> > Well I put them in.  localhost.invalid I believe is more
> > polite than putting, let's say, cnn.com as my domain.  What
> > values do I put in as my domain if I don't have one?
> 
> Put in where?  You previously said you had
> 
> local domains = localhost:your_host_name
> 
> in exim.config.  Where did you put localhost.invalid?

/etc/mailname

> I'll tell you what I've done on my system, which is a 
> standalone machine at home used almost exclusively by me but 
> occasionally for e-mail by other members of my family.  It 
> may be a stupid way to do it, but it works all right for us:
> 
> 1: Set up a different user for each fragment of my fractured
> persona (one of them being thought of as the main user) and
> each family member.  Every e-mail address has its own user.

Done that!

> 2: Put a line in exim.conf's rewrite configuration for each 
> user.

Done that!

> 3: Write a .fetchmailrc for each user, and a .fetchmailrc 
> for the main user including all the individual e-mail 
> addresses.

Now why would I do that?  I setup up one persona as the master
non-root "fetchmailer".

> If I want to send or fetch mail from or for a particular 
> address, I log in as that user.  If I want to fetch mail 
> from all addresses, I do it as the main user.
> 
> Would such a setup solve your problem?

By large exim works.  The problem is with localhost.invalid.
What do I replace it with?


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Re: XMMS without X?

[csj]

On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 16:14:51 -0800,
Tom wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 04:02:07PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> > I use xmms, xmms-flac, and xmms-shell with some custom
> > scripts.  I do all my interacting with xmms via the command
> > line.  (I've never understood why every SOUND PLAYER in the
> > world had to get mixed up with showing flashy colors to the
> > music or drawing dumb bitmaps on their U/I.  Must be a penis
> > thing.)
> > 
> > Anyway, it bugs me to have my music stop when I leave X.  Is
> > there way to run XMMS without X?  Something in the spirit of
> > abcde (the coolest wrapper in the world)?
> 
> Der, um, I forgot about mplayer.  I guess it could become my
> main music player, but I never thought of it like that.  Damn I
> wish it was DFSG.

I'm always wondering why it isn't.  Seeing that xine, which is in
Debian main, is using some variant or hack of the same libraries
that mplayer is using.


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Portable shell scripts

[csj]

Is there a way to write portable shell scripts.  In particular,
I've problems with built-ins setenv (tcsh) and export (bash).
How do I define variables in tcsh and have them usable in bash
too?


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Re: XMMS without X?

[csj]

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 19:22:08 -0500,
Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 04:02:07PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> 
> > Anyway, it bugs me to have my music stop when I leave X.  Is
> > there way to run XMMS without X?  Something in the spirit of
> > abcde (the coolest wrapper in the world)?
> 
> There's no way to run xmms without X. Witness the "X" in the
> name :) But this is something that could be fixed. You should
> probably report it as a wishlist type bug.
> 
> If you want a solution now you might want to look at xvfb. It's
> an xserver that doesn't actually display anything (it uses a
> "virtual" framebuffer).

But you can't switch xservers on the fly, or can you (the OP
doesn't want the music to stop)?

For xmms alternatives, I'd recommend alsaplayer is a music player
that can run without X, (package "alsaplayer-text").  It can even
play CD's thru digital extraction (without your sound card being
physically cabled to your cdrom drive).  And no it doesn't
require alsa to run.


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Re: Installing packages from source with apt

[csj]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:42:02 +0100,
Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> 
> What is the best way to compile and install packages from source with
> apt?
> 
> I don't want to use "dpkg -i" once the packages are built (as suggested
> in the how-to) since dpkg doesn't check dependencies and may break the
> system (it did in the past...).

You might try creating your own apt archive.  An apt archive is just a
directory (or subdirectories) full of debs.  To make them visible
to apt you create an index file called Packages (or gzipped to
Packages.gz) using a command like "dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null >
Packages".  Your apt source might then look like:

  deb file:/my-apt-archive/ ./

Put this file:// source before any http:// sources and apt will
look at this before attempting to download from the Net.


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Re: gnome root window (background) image?

[csj]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:51:17 -0500,
Mark Roach wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 08:51, John M Flinchbaugh wrote:

> > what sets the background image in sid's gnome?
> 
> Nautilus.

I think Nautilus just sets the desktop icons and the root menu.


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Re: XMMS without X?

[csj]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:31:56 -0800,
Tom wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 02:23:05PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:01:33AM +0800, csj wrote:
> > > On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 19:22:08 -0500,
> > > Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > > > If you want a solution now you might want to look at
> > > > xvfb. It's an xserver that doesn't actually display
> > > > anything (it uses a "virtual" framebuffer).
> > > 
> > > But you can't switch xservers on the fly, or can you (the
> > > OP doesn't want the music to stop)?
> > 
> > That's another program: xmove.  But I think he was just
> > asking about running xmms without X.
> 
> Thanks.  I have discovered MPlayer 1.0 pre2 plays flacs, so
> it's a good enough universal command line music player now :-)

While I'm an mplayer fanatic for most of my audio/video needs, I
find that as an ogg audio player, it's not quite up to par.
Among other things I can't seek reliably in an ogg file.  Not a
problem when playing jukebox music, but irritating when I need to
jump backwards or forwards in an hour-long recording like
http://www.archive.org/download/dn2003-1031/dn2003-1031-1.ogg


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Re: Trouble with Alsa 0.9.6-5, 2.4.22 AC97 audio and /dev/mixer under Gnome 2.4.0-1

[csj]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:36:07 -0600,
Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In Gnome Volume Control 2.4.0, I try to set the volume, but get
> the error
> 
> Unable to open audio device '/dev/mixer'.
> Please check that you have permissions to open 'dev/mixer'
> and that you have sound support in your kernel.
> 
> 
> Well
> 
> The motherboard is a Shuttle FX41 that has Via KM266/VT8375 N.B.
> and VT8235 S.B. that is AC'97 2.2 compliant.

[...]

> # lsmod
> Module  Size  Used byNot tainted
> sound  58324   0  (unused)
> ac97_codec 13576   0 
> [snip non-sound stuff]
> 
> Anyone have any thoughts?  

You're not running Alsa?


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Re: mplayer, ogle, unable to play DVD

[csj]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:55:13 -0500 (EST),
Sudarshana N Koushik wrote:
> 
> I have one CDR/W drive and one DVD drive. cdrecord -scanbus
> displays the foll.
> scsibus0:
> 0,0,0 0) 'LITE-ON ' 'LTR-32123S  ' 'XS0R' Removable CD-ROM
> 0,1,0 1) '  ATAPI ' '12X DVD-ROM ' '1.7B' Removable CD-ROM

[...]

> I have absolutely no problem in writing CDs using the first
> drive. Using the DVD drive I can mount data cds and listen to
> audio CDs, but completely unable to play DVDs
> mplayer produces the foll error.
> Playing DVD title 1 (at which point the light in the drive blinks and
> the DVD whirrs...but...)
> libdvdread: Could not open device with libdvdcss.
> libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading
> Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd
> (/dev/dvd is linked to /dev/scd1)
> 
> Can someone please point out as to what i'm doing wrong?

Have you tried mounting a *DVD* on the DVD-ROM drive?  What's the
console output when you try to copy a file off a DVD (some of the
files shouldn't be copy-protected)?


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mailfilter bug?

[csj]

Before I file a bug report, I'd like to confirm the behavior I
describe below.

I have in my my ~/.mailfilterrc a DENY rule for "^Subject:.*Test"
and ALLOW rules for "marssociety" and "marssocietynewsletter":

$ grep -Ei 'test|marssociety' ~/.mailfilterrc
DENY=^Subject:.*Test
ALLOW=^To:.*marssocietynewsletter
ALLOW=^Reply-To:.*marssociety
ALLOW=^Subject:.*marssociety

I found out this morning that an email with the word "Contest" in
the Subject was deleted by mailfilter (according to my log).  The
email also had "[marssocietynewsletter]" in the Subject and I
suspect, given the format of previous communications, also
"marssociety" in the Reply-To.  The email therefore should have
passed two of my ALLOW rules.

Shouldn't the ALLOW rule (allow all emails with "marssociety" in
the Subject) take precedence over the DENY rule (delete all
emails containing with the word or word part "test")?


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Re: Portable shell scripts

[csj]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:18:56 -0700,
Bob Proulx wrote:
> 
> csj wrote:
> > Is there a way to write portable shell scripts.  In
> > particular, I've problems with built-ins setenv (tcsh) and
> > export (bash).  How do I define variables in tcsh and have
> > them usable in bash too?
> 
> Your best option is "#!/bin/sh" at the top of all of your
> scripts.  Then you will always have a consistent syntax.  By
> your posting it sounds to me like you have not been putting a
> #! line in your scripts and have been taking "post-luck" over
> whatever shell the user is running at the moment.  That will
> cause you no end of grief.

I tend to write scripts which are tcsh-compatible.  So
"#!/bin/tcsh".  But its somewhat a waste of effort to write one
set of scripts for bash and another for tcsh.  My main problem is
handling the variables.  Is there a shell-portable way to specify
variables?  I write mostly convenience scripts that are generally
less than a console screen in length.


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Re: mailfilter bug? (Never mind)

[csj]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:49:16 +0100,
Nicolas Rueff wrote:
> 
> Ainsi parla Roberto Sanchez le 315ème jour de l'an 2003:
> 
> > csj wrote:

[...]

> > > I have in my my ~/.mailfilterrc a DENY rule for
> > > "^Subject:.*Test" and ALLOW rules for "marssociety" and
> > > "marssocietynewsletter":
> > > 
> > > $ grep -Ei 'test|marssociety' ~/.mailfilterrc
> > > DENY=^Subject:.*Test
> > > ALLOW=^To:.*marssocietynewsletter
> > > ALLOW=^Reply-To:.*marssociety
> > > ALLOW=^Subject:.*marssociety
> > > 
> > > I found out this morning that an email with the word
> > > "Contest" in the Subject was deleted by mailfilter
> > > (according to my log).  The email also had
> > > "[marssocietynewsletter]" in the Subject and I suspect,
> > > given the format of previous communications, also
> > > "marssociety" in the Reply-To.  The email therefore should
> > > have passed two of my ALLOW rules.
> > > 
> > > Shouldn't the ALLOW rule (allow all emails with
> > > "marssociety" in the Subject) take precedence over the DENY
> > > rule (delete all emails containing with the word or word
> > > part "test")?
> > 
> > I don't know much about mailfilter, but it seems as though
> > the rules are being applied in the order encountered.  You
> > may need to move yoru DENY rule to a position after the ALLOW
> > rules.  Just a thought.
>
> No. From mailfilterrc(5):
> 
> This keyword can be used to override spam filters i.e. to
> define `friends'. A message that matches any ALLOW rules will
> not be filtered or deleted. ALLOW takes a Regular Expression as
> argument.
> 
> (beside this, in my own .mailfilterrc, all "Deny" rules are
> above the "Allow" rules).
> 
> Do you have any rules like "REG_CASE", "REG_TYPE" or
> "MAXSIZE_(ALLOW|DENY)" set ? 

No, but I did play around with using extended regexp for a while
(with rule "REG_TYPE=basic" still set).  I can't reproduce the
bug now.  So I suspect I must have sent my corrected
./mailfilterrc but tested mailfilter with my "broken" original
configuration.  (Having several xterms open, I must have failed
to save my corrections to file before running mailfilter.)


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Re: Debian version

[csj]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:43:50 +,
Jonathan Dowland wrote:

[...]

> unstable is always 'sid'. slink/potato/woody started life as
> testing (afaik) before migrating to stable.

I don't think there was "testing" before slink was released.  IRC
I started using Debian around the time potato was released and I
managed to witness the birth ot testing.

[...]


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Re: dvd ripping tools

[csj]

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:40:11 +0200,
Micha Feigin wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 17:23, Kevin Coyner wrote:
> > I need to (legimately) rip a few 30 sec clips from some DVD's
> > where I truly own the rights.  The 30 sec clips will be used
> > on our website where we advertise the DVD's for sale
> > (bicycling workouts - spinervals.com for those interested).
> > 
> > Could someone please suggest:

[...]

> > 2.  a tool for browsing and then editing the ripped portions
> > into 30 sec clips
> 
> I think avidemux does this but I am not sure.  I looked quite a
> bit for good programs under linux to do this but couldn't find
> any. Would be happy to hear of such.

avidemux can do that.  You can edit and save without reencoding
(simple frame copy) or you can edit and reencode.  With the first
you don't lose any more quality, but you run a greater risk of
producing a video that will be unplayable by players other than
mplayer or will have serious audio/video sync problems.

http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/


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