new motherboard causes serial complaints
I recently fried my computer (dead colling fan led to a smell of burning milk), and the motherboard had to be replaced. Now Linux gives me the message ttyS1: LSR safety check engaged on the text consoles I get to using ctl-alt-f1, ctl-alt-f2, and so on. Messages I found on the web suggest this is because the serial port is misconfigured. Now persumably the hardware autodetection was done correctly when I installed sarge some months age, and probably has to be redone. Is there soem way to do this without a reinstall? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ALSA or OSS?
I've seen a lot of discussion about how to get alsa to work. The main advice seems to be to disable OSS, which seems to sneak modules of its own into the kernel. This leaves me wondering -- which sound system *should* I use on my Debain sarge system? Is on a traditional part of Linux, and the other an recent upstart? Or is one intended to replace the other, and not quite there yet? I'd rather install the one that is more reliable, or more linuxy, if that's a relevant concept. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ALSA or OSS?
Christian Convey wrote: Hendrik Boom wrote: I've seen a lot of discussion about how to get alsa to work. The main advice seems to be to disable OSS, which seems to sneak modules of its own into the kernel. This leaves me wondering -- which sound system *should* I use on my Debain sarge system? Is on a traditional part of Linux, and the other an recent upstart? Or is one intended to replace the other, and not quite there yet? I'd rather install the one that is more reliable, or more linuxy, if that's a relevant concept. -- hendrik ALSA seems to be the direction everyone's heading, from what I've observed. ALSA has some nice features that make it a suitable substrate for all the Linux audio stuff. It seems like most applications are written to use at least one of the major sound APIs: - ALSA - aRts (KDE apps) - ESD (Gnome apps, I think) - OSS - Jack The nice thing is that you can have ALSA be the software that directly controls your sound hardware, and still support all of those applications that use the above-listed APIs. That's because ALSA offers various compatibility wrappers / drivers for those other APIs. AFAIK, ALSA is the only sound system list above that let programs written for any of the other four sound systems to work ok. On the other hand, ALSA still seems fairly complex to me to set up. I.e., it's a heck of a lot more complicated than making this stuff work right on Windows (Now I'll don my asbestos pajamas ;) Yes. It does seem to have problems in the Windows-competition department. But having it fight with the OSS kernel modules doesn't help any. It also seems to me that by far, ALSA has the widest sound card/chip support. When a new sound chip comes out, the only sound system I notice getting a driver for it is ALSA (and Windows :). I suggest going with ALSA. At least then, you can be pretty confident that any problems you come across with program compatability can be worked out. Hope this It does. Thanks. -- hendrik helps, Christian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kaffe complains I'm using the wrong language
Am I doing something wrong? Or is there a problem with the way kaffe has been set up for Debain? When I try to compile a bunch of .java files, it tells me javac -classpath classes -sourcepath server:tactics -d classes server/Game.java server/GameFactory.java GamePort.java GameClient.java server/GameServer.java tactics/Character.java tactics/Const.java tactics/Game.java tactics/Maps.java tactics/TacticsClient.java tactics/action/Action.java tactics/action/Move.java tactics/GameFactory.java at.dms.util.InconsistencyException: Wrong source language in options at at.dms.kjc.KjcEnvironment.getSourceVersion (KjcEnvironment.java:80) at at.dms.kjc.Main.run (Main.java:121) at at.dms.kjc.Main.compile (Main.java:70) at at.dms.kjc.Main.main (Main.java:61) I haven't specified a source language, except as .java file types, and I thought kaffe was suppoed to be a java compiler. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
emacs dies in latest sarge
Never thought this would happen! I just updated my srage system yesterday (December 27). Todey I tried editing an ordinary text file. Emacs crashes after I enter about one line of text. After restarting it, id dies instantly. It just has time to flash its window onto the screen, and then the window vanishes. I'm running all this under KDE, starting emacs from the command line as emacs think & The file think is on a remote NFS-mounted volume. more has no trouble reading the file. I guess I go back to the woody I keep on another partition. Any other suggestions? -- hendrik Actually, I'm not quite sure whether I have set my machin up to track sarge ot testing -- but I believe at the moment these are the same. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: emacs dies in latest sarge
Hendrik Boom wrote: Never thought this would happen! I just updated my srage system yesterday (December 27). Todey I tried editing an ordinary text file. Emacs crashes after I enter about one line of text. After restarting it, id dies instantly. It just has time to flash its window onto the screen, and then the window vanishes. I'm running all this under KDE, starting emacs from the command line as emacs think & The file think is on a remote NFS-mounted volume. more has no trouble reading the file. I guess I go back to the woody I keep on another partition. Any other suggestions? I rebooted, and it works now. Strange. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get deprecated?
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 11:39:03AM -0600, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > On 2005-05-01, Paul E Condon penned: > > > > In most cases this is good, but it can lead to aptitude doing really > > bad things in some special situations. For instance, I once > > installed kde by requesting the single over-all package that exists > > only to bring in all the packages needed to give the user a standard > > kde set-up. Then, after using it for a while, I decided that a lot > > of what was there was stuff and clutter that I didn't want. I tried > > to remove the stuff that I didn't want, but aptitude wouldn't do it, > > because it insisted that I had to remove the over-all kde package > > first. But when I removed that, it threatened to remove _all_ kde > > packages, which is not what I wanted. I used apt-get to remove the > > package kde. This made all of kde's component packages into > > independent packages in the little mind of aptitude. Then I removed > > the ones that I didn't want without aptitude trashing the rest of my > > kde set-up. > > Ah, yes. I've run into that kind of obnoxiousness before. > > I think the "right" thing to do here would be to mark all the > kde-related packages as being "manually" installed, or at least some > key subset. AIUI, that will promote them to first-class citizens of > aptitude-land. But when I ran into the problem, I don't think I knew > about that. When I ran into that, during a routine sarge upgrade (seems the kde package was temporarily absent or something) I went over the list of things it wanted to delete. For each one I asked what deoended on it, and followed the chains up until I found something or nothing I wanted. Then I explicitly asked to install that, or not. After a while, the list was reasonably short and I was happy with it. What bothers me are the times I get a huge list of packages to be deleted because no one wants them, and simultaneously a huge list of packages to be newly installed. The trouble is that the lists are vary similar. A lot of these packages should have been listed as upgrades, not deletions and installs. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OPEN SOURCE MASTERPLANS
On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 05:57:02PM +0200, Timo Schoeler wrote: > please stop posting this! > > Nice ASCII logo. > > > > I work for poor people through UNDP. > > one more proof that there i) are wrong people in the wrong places and > ii) much money is being wasted. > > > I am not a government nor Microsoft employee. > > shouldn't make a difference as money rules the world (*cough*)... so > your employer is meaningless (even if it's any UN subsidiary -- the UN > is meaningless, please look at the US spreading war all over the world, > the UN doing nothing against it. and no, it's not the 'terror' they're > fighting -- the real terror comes from the US -- it's the fight for > 'their oil'... bastards)! In all fairness, the U.N. doesn't have the military strength to stop the U.S from doing whatever it wants. But it is still occasionally capable on intervening in disputes and disasters involving smaller countries. Often a UN resolution is capable of stopping a war, when the leaders feel compelled to posture and feel inexorably drawn to a war they don't want. A sibgle resolutions can give them an excuse to conpromise. But when a country with more military might than the rest of the world combined decides to set off on the warpath and dismisses the UN and any peacable process as worthless, well, there's not much the UN *can* do. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OPEN SOURCE MASTERPLANS
On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 01:51:08AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: > Hi Fafa, > I was just looking at the UNDP web site. Most of the things mention get > internet infrastructure out to the hinterlands. Nothing about what > software or hardware they intend to use. There are two ways to approach > problems: top-down and bottom-up. I think opensource is more bottom-up. > And there are already initiatives that are being taken regardless of the > UN. The main efforts are around getting FLOSS capable of being used in > every language. This is still not a finished project. UTF-8 and Gnome > are on their way! There are project like arabeyes.org that are working > on arabic. There is the govenment initiatve in Brazil (with help from > Debian). And of course, Ubuntu who I think is working of this in a major > way. > Cheers, > kev > -- Well, this is the first message in this thread that suggested to me that the phrase "OPEN SOURCE MASTERPLANS" might actually have a rational meaning! -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian sarge/testing question
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 04:48:52PM +0200, Frank Gevaerts wrote: > On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 04:42:17PM +0200, Michiel van Es wrote: > > Hi, > > -is lilo still supported or is grub the default boot loader and does > > grub defaul install on a /dev/md* device like lilo does? (so I one disk > > fails..you can boot from the other...) > > Yes and yes : lilo is supported and offered as an option during > installation, but grub is the default. > > > > -can I simply upgrade my testing/sarge box to the Sarge Final release > > when it's done at 30 May 2005 ? > > Yes. However, if your /etc/apt/sources.list points to "testing", you > will have to change that to either "sarge" or "stable" (I would > recommend "sarge"). I had a lot of trouble getting a floppy boot disk for my sarge system a few month ago. I finally ended up installing lilo, and it was suddenly easy. The tools available for making a boot floppy seem either to work only with lilo, or else it's a lot harder to do with grub (and I never figured out how). -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is 64MB enough?
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 11:18:12AM +, John Moore wrote: > I'm a total Linux newbie who'd like to install Linux on my really old PC. > It has 64MB of RAM and a 4GB hard disk. The installation documentation I've > read at debian.org seems to indicate that this is sufficient. Is that > right? Thanks. Enough RAM, anyway. I'm running woody on a 48M RAM machine at home. I'm not sure how big the system is, though. Without any kind of video acceleration, though, window operations are kind of slow. I use icewm to cut down on overhead. -- hendrik. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is 64MB enough?
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 10:06:32AM -0400, J. Van Lierde wrote: > John Moore wrote: > > >I'm a total Linux newbie who'd like to install Linux on my really old > >PC. It has 64MB of RAM and a 4GB hard disk. The installation > >documentation I've read at debian.org seems to indicate that this is > >sufficient. Is that right? Thanks. > > > >_ > >Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > I've run sarge with icewm on a 200Mhz Pentium with 64MB and found it > barely usable, the disk was paging constantly. If you want to use your > mouse, I think you have to pick your window manager (a lot of posters > seem to like flux box) and apps for their size (i.e. forget about > firefox, openoffice etc.) You want to spend some time mining the > debian-user archive, this query comes up regularly. > > On the other hand, it runs real sweet with regular terminal sessions. > For that reason, I rationized not throwing it out. It might be useful as > a small server someday. I'm using a 48MB 100MHz Pentium as a file server, and its performance is adequate. I also use X on it, with icewm, but avoid *any* graphical user-interfacing or web-wandering on it, because the graphics is definitely too slow. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to remove debian
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 01:19:31PM -0700, Charles Li wrote: > On one of my pc, I have debian and winXP dual boot, > with XP on the hda1. > I would like to remove debian, can I just delete the > partition? What about grub, can I still use it just > for XP or do I need to restart XP's boot loader? I'd expect grub to use some data that's not in the MBR. Doesn't that get found somewhere on the Debian partition? Or else where *does* grub store its code to read and understand file systems? I'd expect grub to fail, just in case. I'd be sure to be ready to restart XP's boot loader. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please help: Accidentally wiped off the whole hard disk!!!
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 09:59:32PM -0400, Marty wrote: > > The format of the MBR and the fake partition table sectors is documented > in various books about PC hardware, and probably on the web, except for > the details of logical partition table chains which seem hard to find. > Hopefully you won't have to go there. > Andries Brouwer used to have a FAQ on partitioning, yes, including logical partition chains and the like. You might be able to google it, especially knowing the author's name. It also describes the many different kludges used from time to time to access ever-larger hard disks as the number of address bits keeps being incremented by just barely enough to last the next year or two. -- hendrik > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open-Source environments for Java
On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 09:55:09AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > other developers or users. Then when someone NMUs their package to I'm sorry. I don't know what MNU means. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X and sound on debian, really wanted!
On Wed, May 25, 2005 at 08:10:23AM -0500, Kent West wrote: > > And I would recommend that in the future, you might have better success > at getting responses (and it'll make more sense in the archives) if two > separate disparate topics such as these (video and sound) are broken > into two separate threads. In this case, you got two good responses, one > for each topic, but a lot of times it doesn't work out that way. And avoid disappointing me. Suddenly I see something I really *want*: audio to go over an X connection from one machine to another! And then it turns out just to be two separate topics. -- hendrik. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What to do with source package?
I'm consideeing adding functinoality to a Debian package. But I have no experience with source packages and the like. It seems to be distributed in two parts: a .tar.gz file, and a set of diffs applied to that. What's the proper way to make the source for the current version? And, if I should succeed, what's the proper way to send the changes upstream? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hacking the debugger
I have a program whose basic modus operandi is to dynamically compile extra code into itself. But I'd still like to use gdb. Is there any way to (dnamically) inform gdb what symbols to add to its symbol table? In the long run (maybe a month from now if all goes well), this dynamic code will reside on a garbage-collected heap. So the genreted code may be moved aroung diring execution (yes, I am aware there are technical difficulties involved in realizing this!) Is there a way of informing gdb that its symbol definitions have *changed*? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cross-partition upgrade
I have a machine with a functioning warge an woody, on two partitions. Well, almost functioning. Of the two systems I had expected woody to be more stable, but it's happened the other way around. At my last motherboard upgrade (forced by failing a smoke test), woody lost all semblance of ethernet support. No more security upgrades. No more penetration attempts from outside either. No easy dist-upgrade to etch over the net. Now, when sarge becomes stable, I'd like to replace woody with etch. But most of space taken on the woody partition consists of the users' /home directories, which are shared (vis symbolic links) between sarge and woody. So I want to do the upgrade without installing from scratch. (Or can the new installer install withoug wiping the existing data?) In particular, I think it is probably worth rerunning the installation-time hardware recognition that might enable it to recognise the ethernet card. This leads to several questions. Can I use the new sarge netinstall to install over top of the woody system without losing user data? I really only need enough sarge (or etch) to get the ethernet working. Where are all the user and configuration data anyway? Obviously in /home and /etc, respectively. But there's not so obviously also /usr/local, and /var/spool/mail. Where else does this kind of stuff hang out? Can I burn the first sarge CD, change my sources.list to point to it instead of the seven woody CDs, and do a dist-upgrade from aptitude, intending to modify sources.list again to connect to the debian package archives later Or will this result in deleting most of the woody stuff? Can I copy the bulk of the sarge partition to the woody partition (with tar oc cp--archive) replacing most woody system files, and expect the thing to work. Again, I'd have to protect the filesystems that might contain user data for this. And are there esoteric filesystems (like /proc) that need special consideration (or, possible, no copying at all)? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to move debian from one drive to another and keep it working?
On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 07:56:28AM -0700, David Witbrodt wrote: > > > > tar --exclude=/mnt -cvf - / | (cd /mnt/; tar -xvf -) > Check out the --one-file-system option. It keeps you from straying past mount points. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How can I share a mailbox between multiple OSes
On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 02:08:22PM -0700, David Witbrodt wrote: > This is a newbie question. I just installed Debian and several other OSes > onto my old machine. As I have been reading the docs, and have started > configuring things to my liking, I found myself wondering whether an email > application exists that would allow me to store my mailbox files on a common > data partition, which could be then used by whatever OS was currently running. > > I get my email via POP3 from my ISP, so I was thinking that there might be a > single program that has been ported to all of the OSes, making it possible to > use a common mailbox from each platform. > > Anyone out there doing this? Is is even possible? Seems to me like it > should be, but I've never faced this scenario before, so I'm facing a steep > learning curve... > > Thank, > Dave W. Last time I did anything like this was when I was moving from one distro of linux to another. I made sure the new linux mounted the old one, and symlinked /var/spool/mail across partitions. This way, there was only one mailbox. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nonwiping netinstall
Is there any way to use the new net-installer *without* wiping clean the partition being installed to? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nonwiping netinstall
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 11:44:53AM -0400, Robert Wolfe wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > >Is there any way to use the new net-installer *without* > >wiping clean the partition being installed to? > > Not that I know of. Are you trying to upgrade an existing Debian > installation by any chance? I have a machine with a working, up-to-date sarge and a dead woody. (woody boots but will not access the net -- I suspect it doesn't have the right driver after a hardware upgrade) I wanted to start a testing installation to replace woody. Unfortunately, all the user files are on the pertition with the dead woody. I'd like to reduce the number of necessary backups by one. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nonwiping netinstall
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 03:26:28PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 11:44:53AM -0400, Robert Wolfe wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > >Is there any way to use the new net-installer *without* > > >wiping clean the partition being installed to? > > > > Not that I know of. Are you trying to upgrade an existing Debian > > installation by any chance? > > I have a machine with a working, up-to-date sarge and a dead woody. > (woody boots but will not access the net -- I suspect it doesn't > have the right driver after a hardware upgrade) > I wanted to start a testing installation to replace woody. > Unfortunately, all the user files are on the pertition with the dead woody. > I'd like to reduce the number of necessary backups by one. > > -- hendrik Maybe the thing to do is to burn the first sarge (or etch, for that matter) cd, and present it to woody as another apt-source. -- hendrik > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clarify Sarge Release
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 08:45:45PM +0100, Lee Braiden wrote:
> On Wednesday 08 Jun 2005 20:17, Jim Hall wrote:
> > Now that Sarge is released, do I need to point 'update' & 'upgrade' to
> > "stable", or leave Sarge as the target?
>
> No, you can do nothing, if you like.
>
> Pointing it to "stable" would only do something once the next release
> happens.
> Then, the new "stable" would be uhh... whatever that new name is, and then
etch
> you'd see lots of upgradable packages. For now, it'll make no difference.
>
> Basically, if you intend to specifically use sarge and nothing else, put
> sarge
> in there. You might do that if sarge does what you need and you're following
> the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" philosophy.
>
> On the other hand, if you intend to keep upgrading to the most modern stable
> system available, and you don't want to manually do the switch (although
> it'll essentially be manual anyway) use "stable".
By specifying "sarge", you will have control over when the huge upgrade from
sarge to etch happends. This might be what you want on a mission-critical
system if, say, you don't want everything changing the day your major
project is due.
By specifying "stable", the upgrade to etch will happen more-or-less when Debian
decides etch is stable,
>
> --
> Lee.
>
> Please do not CC replies directly to me. I'll read them on the list.
>
>
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apt-cacher
Now that I'll be upgrading my lan's server to sarge, I plan also to install apt-cacher on it, so my other machines won't have to do as much long-haul net traffic. Can I start the woody->sarge upgrade by updating, first, aptitude and perl (that seems to be conventional wisdom) then installing sarge's apt-cacher, and then pointing the sources.list to apt-cacher running on the very machine that is being upgraded to sarge? In the future, when further updates take place, will apt-cacher know how to update itself while it's being used to download and cache its replacement? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-cacher
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 04:57:06PM -0500, Jacob S wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:37:33 -0400 > "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 05:09:22PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Now that I'll be upgrading my lan's server to sarge, I plan also > > > to install apt-cacher on it, so my other machines won't have to do > > > as much long-haul net traffic. > > > > > > Can I start the woody->sarge upgrade by updating, first, > > > aptitude and perl (that seems to be conventional wisdom) > > > then installing sarge's apt-cacher, and then pointing > > > the sources.list to apt-cacher running on the very machine > > > that is being upgraded to sarge? > > > > > > In the future, when further updates take place, will apt-cacher > > > know how to update itself while it's being used to download and > > > cache its replacement? > > > > Since you are serving machines on a network, you really want > > apt-proxy. > > Apt-cacher serves the same purpose as apt-proxy and works just as well, > in my experience. I switched to it before apt-proxy v2 hit Sarge and > found it to be better than apt-proxy v1 and it would start streaming the > file faster (helping to avoid timeouts that I had problems with in > apt-proxy). > > Since you stated that apt-proxy is better, do you have some evidence or > a reason for your statement, or is it just preference? > > HTH, > Jacob I'd very much like to know this too. What are the relative merits of apt-proxy and apt-cacher. I hadn't realized there were two such programs. --hendrik > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sid upgrade
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 10:16:34AM +0900, Paras pradhan wrote: > Hi, > > I am using debian unstable. yesterday i did apt-get dist-upgrade and > after that when restarting the gnome session, error of nautilus is > reported and gnome did't start. > > what sud i do now.. i cannot use gnome beacuse of this nautilus. I had problems like this in sarge a month or two ago. I just switched to KDE, one user at a time. It seemed not to strike everyone at the same time. I suspect that something they did messed up the user's dot-files. I have no idea what. I haven't had a similar problem with KDE. -- hendrik > > > > > Paras. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mutt + dovecot/squirrelmail + mbox ?
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 11:30:08AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > Only if you never, ever intend to touch the database with any normal file > tools. And if that is the case one is better off with a real database instead > of a trumped up one based off the concept of "the filesystem is a database". Actually, the filesystem *is* a data base. What it isn't is a data base manager. The nice thing about reiserfs is that, as far as I know, it was actually designed by someone who understands data bases. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top posting (a different point of view)
I'm an incurable bottom-poster; q.v. On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 04:20:11PM +0200, Mark wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Thursday June 9 2005 5:10 pm, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > > > >>I completely agree. Whoever (the attribution is not clear to me) > >>wrote that crap about top posters vs bottom posters is an arrogant > >>idiot. Processing information in reverse order is much more > >>efficient > > > > > > Do you drive in reverse on the freeway, too? After all, doing it > > backwards is more efficient. > > Wait a minute, When you read a book. You start on page one and read > right to the back of the book (Or bottom of the book) when you > finish. Right? > > Same (should) go for emails, you start at the top with reading, and > end up at the bottom where youre email answer begins. > > Is that not the best way of making it easier for other people to > understand your email? > > Still, bottom posters may be fighting a lost battle. In all the > companies i've worked for so far, there has not been a single > company with a "bottom" post policy of any kind. > > These companies are usually the "exchange server" kind... > > Thanks, > Mark Conflicting needs: * to have all the quotes and replies in textual order, so you can read it through in context (especially important for those reading an archive, or jumping into an ongoing conversation) * to see the reply first (for those who have just finished reading the previous message) It seems this is a problem resolvable by technology. Set the mail reader to start a message display at the bottom of the message. Does anyone know a mail reader that does this? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top posting (a different point of view)
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 10:32:04AM -0400, Phil Dyer wrote: > I agree with that point exactly. > > PS: 2 points for anybody that can figure out which point, or even which > poster I'm agreeing with. I think the point you agree with is both point. -- hendrik P.S. What is the difference between a duck? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top posting
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 11:29:01PM +0200, Lech Karol Paw?aszek wrote: > On Thursday 09 of June 2005 23:06, Graham Smith wrote: > [...] > > I understand the reasons why bottom posting is supposed to be better but > > if I am following the thread, which is normally the case if I'm actually > > reading it, then I find it quicker to read just the top section of each > > post rather than having to scroll down past everything I've already > > read. There isn't a problem with context because I can remember that > > That's why people also should cut unnecessary pieces. And not everybody have > to remember what the thread was about. Or reads every mail in thread. It's > easier to "catch-up" the subject when you have all needed information in > order. I've mused in the past about having a thread-analyser that puts back all the deleted parts of the message (by following the thread back, of course) and putting together a unified version that encapsulated the entire discuccion so it can be read in order. The fact that threads branch is a minor problem -- displaying the unified message with a tree-browser is even a possibility. But excessive trimming, so that it becomes hard to figure out what went where, is a problem. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Google Summer of Code
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 05:39:50PM +0200, PB wrote: > Massimo Dentico wrote: > >Note that the Liskov Substitution Principle (LSP), that I called harshly > >"sacred" on another mailing-list, > > What is so strange with the substitution principle, > be it in the Liskov variant or in my granny's variant? > It just says that, if you want to replace A with A' > in contexts C1, C2, C3, then A' must have the same > interface *and semantics* of A, but just in contexts > C1, C2, C3. In C4 it can do whatever it wants - granted > that everybody is aware of the dogma "ye shalt NEVER put > replace A with A' in context C4". It is a "blame you, > blame me" crystal-clear principle of sheer commonsense. > The fact it is seldom respected - better, that is > seldom *understood*, is sheer nonsense. It should be clear to *anyone* that bothers to think about the matter. Unfortunately the world is filling up with people who don't. People who concern themselves only with what something does, not what it is supposed to do. How such people can program mystifies me. -- hendrik > > Pietro > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Top posting (a different point of view)
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 06:57:36PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote: > > So, what is the difference between a duck, Hendrik? It better be good. ;) > > Adam One of the joys of age. You can recycle jokes from fifty years ago, and you find new people to tell them to! This one has a tradidional answer: One of its legs is both the same. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Google Summer of Code
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 04:10:08PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > This appeared today on the debian-user email list. I am curious > so I looked for the email by Massimo Dentico in the debian-user > email archive. I did not find it there. Where did this discussion > come from? It seems it may have gotten onto the debian-user list > through a finger fumble. Can you enlighten me, please? I find > discussions like this interesting. My finger-fumble. It started out on the tunes.org mailing list. Go visit the tunes.org website. Interesting stuff there. And it's a low-volume mailing list. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
woody->sarge failed: out pf disk space
After 18 hours of upgrading on my very slow 100 MHz Pentium, it ended up producing an unending stream of multilog: warning: unable to write to /var/log/svscan/current. pausing: out of disk space The installation log file (made using script on another partition) also contains complaints that other files did not exist -- presumably because they were not created because of lack of space. There seemed not much point in continuing, since many of the package upgrades were likely to have been damaged (unless aptitude is very good at dealing with this -- is it?), so I cancelled the upgrade, and am composing this mail on another woody in another partition (my spare -- a backup of the one that failed to upgrade properly.) When I started the upgrade, my main 4G partition (which contained everything except /home) was only half full. I thought I had lots of room. Just how much space is needed for an upgrade, anyway? Is it possible to bring this upgrade into a consistent state (possibly by deleting lots of packages, or resuming with aptitude after reorganising the disk space), or should I just trash it, make a bigger partition somewhere else, copy my backup partition to it and start over? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: woody->sarge failed: out pf disk space
On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 04:46:22PM +0100, peter colton wrote: > On Saturday 11 June 2005 16:49, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > After 18 hours of upgrading on my very slow 100 MHz Pentium, > > it ended up producing an unending stream of > > > > multilog: warning: unable to write to /var/log/svscan/current. pausing: out > > of disk space > > > > The installation log file (made using script on another partition) > > also contains complaints that other files did not exist -- presumably > > because they were not created because of lack of space. > > > > There seemed not much point in continuing, since many of the package > > upgrades were likely to have been damaged (unless aptitude is > > very good at dealing with this -- is it?), so I cancelled the upgrade, > > and am composing this mail on another woody in another partition > > (my spare -- a backup of the one that failed to upgrade properly.) > > > > When I started the upgrade, my main 4G partition (which contained > > everything except /home) was only half full. I thought I had lots of room. > > > > Just how much space is needed for an upgrade, anyway? > > > > Is it possible to bring this upgrade into a consistent state > > (possibly by deleting lots of packages, or resuming with aptitude > > after reorganising the disk space), or should I just trash it, > > make a bigger partition somewhere else, copy my backup partition to it > > and start over? > > > > -- hendrik > > hello hendrik, > >did you clear var out for apt. >apt-get clean apt-get autoclean No. I didn't. > >hope it gibe you the room to upgrade. Will try again. But ... Is it possible to resume the broken upgrade? Or is that hopeless, and is it better to just start over? > > all the best > > peter colton > Thanke for the free verse! Pleasant layout oafter a lot of time looking at text on screens. -- hendrik > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: woody->sarge failed: out pf disk space
On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 07:00:31PM +0100, peter colton wrote: > On Saturday 11 June 2005 17:20, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 04:46:22PM +0100, peter colton wrote: > > > On Saturday 11 June 2005 16:49, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > After 18 hours of upgrading on my very slow 100 MHz Pentium, > > > > it ended up producing an unending stream of > > > > > > > > multilog: warning: unable to write to /var/log/svscan/current. pausing: > > > > out of disk space > > > > > > > > The installation log file (made using script on another partition) > > > > also contains complaints that other files did not exist -- presumably > > > > because they were not created because of lack of space. > > > > > > > > There seemed not much point in continuing, since many of the package > > > > upgrades were likely to have been damaged (unless aptitude is > > > > very good at dealing with this -- is it?), so I cancelled the upgrade, > > > > and am composing this mail on another woody in another partition > > > > (my spare -- a backup of the one that failed to upgrade properly.) > > > > > > > > When I started the upgrade, my main 4G partition (which contained > > > > everything except /home) was only half full. I thought I had lots of > > > > room. > > > > > > > > Just how much space is needed for an upgrade, anyway? > > > > > > > > Is it possible to bring this upgrade into a consistent state > > > > (possibly by deleting lots of packages, or resuming with aptitude > > > > after reorganising the disk space), or should I just trash it, > > > > make a bigger partition somewhere else, copy my backup partition to it > > > > and start over? > > > > > > > > -- hendrik > > > > > > hello hendrik, > > > > > >did you clear var out for apt. > > >apt-get clean apt-get autoclean > > > > No. I didn't. > > > > >hope it gibe you the room to upgrade. > > > > Will try again. But ... Is it possible to resume the broken upgrade? > > Or is that hopeless, and is it better to just start over? > > > > > all the best > > > > > > peter colton > > > > Thanke for the free verse! Pleasant layout oafter a lot of time looking > > at text on screens. > > > > -- hendrik > > > > > -- > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > hello hendrik > > Have a look at the link for upgrading from woody to sarge. The > important > part is the use of aptitude with a dist-upgrade. I have been following the release notes, but it didn't mention clearing the apt-cache. Maybe it should. > > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes I got it from http://www/debian.org/releases/sarge/release-notes/ch-upgrad... to judge from the header at the top of my printout. > > and again all the best. > > peter colton > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: woody->sarge failed: out pf disk space
On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 08:37:24PM +0200, Maurits van Rees wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 04:46:22PM +0100, peter colton wrote: > > did you clear var out for apt. > > apt-get clean > > apt-get autoclean > > I would vote for apt-get autoclean here. 'clean' removes all package > files. 'autoclean' only removes files that cannot be downloaded > anymore. So autoclean would keep the packages that he just downloaded. > > On the other hand, all the woody packages can still be downloaded too > off course, so autoclean might not help that much. Well, it is safe to > try autoclean first. If that doesn't help enough a full clean may > help. > > BTW, I am guessing here that you will need to let apt download all > packages again as not all of them are installed correctly now. But it > may be that most of them are fine. > > Oh, you may want to look for large files on your system and see if you > still need them or can loose some of them. The following will find all > files larger than 1 kilobytes (say 10 megabytes). > > find / -size +1k I can find space. I still have lots of unused space on the drive, and some other partitions I can move stuff into. What I didn't know is that I would need all that much. My gut feeling is that I should carve out a new partition, maybe 8 gig or more to have space for furute use, copy my entire main partition to it, rejigger lilo to boot from there, and then upgrade in the new location. I suspect it's probably safest to copy the working backup woody system I'm using to mail this letter than to copy the broken misupgraded one. (both were identical late last week), so that's what I'll end up doing. But I am still curious how reilient aptitude is to disasters like disk-space shortage, and whether there is any way fo finding and repairing the packages that were damages or misconfigured as a result. -- hendrik > Public GnuPG key: keyserver.net ID 0x1735C5C2 > "Let your advance worrying become advance thinking and planning." Good advice. That's why I *have* a working system at this point. > - Winston Churchill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: woody->sarge failed: out pf disk space
On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 11:39:44PM +0200, Maurits van Rees wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 05:46:50PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > But I am still curious how reilient aptitude is to disasters like > > disk-space shortage, and whether there is any way fo finding and > > repairing the packages that were damages or misconfigured as a result. > > dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii > > will give you an overview of packages on your system that aren't > correctly installed at the moment. So there's no chance that a configuration script appears to succeed even though it ran out of disk space somewhere inside? Or is this vanishingly likely? --hendrik > > I don't use aptitude, but apt-get. I see there is the 'apt-get check' > command that could help find broken packages. The same command might > work with aptitude. > > -- > Maurits van Rees | http://maurits.vanrees.org/ [Dutch/Nederlands] > Public GnuPG key: keyserver.net ID 0x1735C5C2 > "Let your advance worrying become advance thinking and planning." > - Winston Churchill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Top posting (a different point of view)
On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 08:36:38PM +0100, Peter J Ross wrote:
> Tom Waits.
>
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 06:22:27PM -0500, John Carline wrote:
>
> > What a crock of snobbish BS!
> >
> > snobbish
> > adj : befitting or characteristic of those who inclined to social
> >exclusiveness and who rebuff the advances of people
> >considered inferior [syn: {clannish}, {cliquish},
> >{clubby}, {snobby}]
> >
> >
> > Personally, I don't care where an individual posts. But, it would make
> > my reading/following of threads much easier if I didn't have to scroll
> > down to the bottom of post after post in a long string just to read the
> > one line added to the 200 I've already read.
>
> So use the tab key (or whatever the equivalent is in your client for
> skipping quoted text). You could also encourage people to delete
> irrelevant quoted text when replying.
>
> Unlike vi v. emacs or KDE v. Gnome, there's actually an RFC about this
> one. It's a dead issue. If you don't conform, people will be less
> liekly to reply to you.
Really? an RFC? Which one, and where might I find it?
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Re: Top posting
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 06:14:50PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Friday June 10 2005 8:40 am, you wrote: > > Paul Johnson wrote: > > >It's > > >preserved for posterity and not everybody wants to read a whole > > >thread to figure out what solved some random printing problem. > > > > But, in fact, most people use web-based archives in which that's > > exactly how they access the messages after the original discussion. > > Even then, the answers Google finds are the ones most relevant to the > keywords. Answers with untrimmed quotes frequently get filtered by > Google as being duplicate, and are thus basically lost. People who > read archives don't typically read entire threads: It's a waste of > time when all that's relevant is the solution post with quotes > containing the relevant parts of what lead up to that solution. In my experience, the solution(s) are presented in several messages, as the list-writers grope toward it, discover some of them work a bit and others don'e and without context you don't know which ones are the equivalend of rm -rf *. -- hendrik > > -- > Paul Johnson > Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Oldstable? Abandoned Packages? Alternatives?
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 08:57:01PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote: > > An academic question: If I wrote a standalone program in C strictly for > my own use Why even do that? Just get the source package for cbb, and you save the effort of writing it. >what would be its lifetime? I have heard it argued that C > (and I assume gcc) is here forever as it is the preferred language for > writing operating systems. I am a retired physicist and in my career I > wrote many standalone programs for my own use in a variety of languages, > the largest in Turbo Pascal. Pascal had too many variants, probably because it lacked essential features. Each implementer made his own deciaions on what to do for varying-length strings, dynamically-sized arrays, and separate compilation. > I could tackle Perl and tk for cbb or try > Python or some other language but if I do anything I want the result to > live and work happily on my Debian based computer with minimal need for > re-writes to accomodate upgrades. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrated OT: Top posting
On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 11:36:42PM -0500, Kent West wrote: > Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > > >Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>What is the difference between a duck? > >> > >>(Which I _still_ don't get.) > >> > >> > >And that, I believe, is the point. Kinda like one hand clapping or the > >trees/forest thing. > > > > > > Ah-hah! Now I don't get it . . . . Thanks! > > (Although there was once an episode of "The Rockford Files" in which I > learned the sound of one hand clapping. Rather satisfying, actually.) > > -- > Kent And that's why the answer mirrors the cognitive disconnect. One of its legs is both the same. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gunzip and Unexpected EOF
On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 12:35:55AM +0200, Almut Behrens wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 07:59:09AM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: > > > > gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file > > tar: Read 4489 bytes from /mnt/root.tar.gz > > > > Apparently a special file or something in / makes gzip stop > > before decompressing most of the 900 MB file. Is there any way to > > cause it to go any farther? > > I'm afraid your tarball got corrupted... In that case - I'm sorry to > say - you're almost certainly outta luck. After creating a tar.gz > file, the _whole_ tarfile has been piped through gzip, so if any part > of the file gets corrupted afterwards (however tiny - a single bit is > sufficient), the gzip algorithm will not be able to recover any data > later in the stream... I've always thought that some kind of cryptographic technique should be able to recover data after a gzip corruption. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how lilo addresses disk
I believe lilo remembers -- in some way -- just where on the hard disk it should find the files it needs, rather than using the file system at boot time. What I'm wondering is whether it remembers something like absolute sector numbers that could address the whole disk, ot a partition number and a sector number relative to the start of the partition. In paticular, if the partition containing the kernel and such gets a different partition number while otherwise remaining unchanged, will if still find what it needs? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
editors on which CDs
Does anyone know which sarge CD contains emacs? pico or nano? microemacs? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: editors on which CDs
On Sat, Jun 18, 2005 at 03:07:06PM +0100, Lee Braiden wrote: > On Saturday 18 Jun 2005 15:10, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Does anyone know which sarge CD contains emacs? pico or nano? microemacs? > > > > -- hendrik > > Emacs would presumably be on the first CD. Nano certainly is; it's part of > the base packages. > > However... why do you care? To install, you at most need one CD. After > that, > you can use apt to download individual packages, rather than whole CDs. To install on a machine that is not net-connected. -- hendrik > > -- > Lee. > > Please do not CC replies directly to me. I'll read them on the list. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is device 03:4c?
Upon booting a reiserfs copy of my woody system, I am told, Can't find a Minix of Minix v2 filesystem on device 03:46 mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev2/root or too many mounted file systems and other such messages, repeated about mot being able to find a FAT file system either. Shortly thereafter, it says, can't open /etc/mtab: No such file or directory pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: cannot open /dev/console: no such file Kernel panic: Attembted to kill init! After that, things are pretty quiet. Now. I'd like to know what device 03:46 is, and what /dev2/root is. It might help me figure out what's wrong! Could it be that woody can't boot when / is a reiserfs? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is device 03:4c?
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 02:26:27PM -0400, Marty wrote: > Hendrik Boom wrote: > >Upon booting a reiserfs copy of my woody system, I am told, > > > >Can't find a Minix of Minix v2 filesystem on device 03:46 > >mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev2/root > >or too many mounted file systems > > Did you remember to make the partition bootable? Is the partition > type set to 83 (ext2)? I have a working. bootable woody on my machine, and a copy which is not bootable. My intention is to upgrade the copy, while leaving the original intact in case things go wrong. (they have once already, before this current attempt, so I am not being overcautious) The one that fails has its /boot marked bootable. The one that succeeds does not. All the relevant partitions have partition type 83. Only the failing Linux has / as a reiserfs. Because the boot fails, I can only access that Linux's partitions from the copy that does boot, which refers to the failing / and /boot partitions as /sargemaini (/dev/hdb11) and /sargeboot (/dev/hda2). My intention is to upgrade that copy, while keeping the woody I'm writing this message on intact until the upgrade works successfully. The actual MBR used for both the failing boot and the successful boot are on /dev/fd0. LILO was told boot=/dev/fd0. It's remarkably safe to play with a floppy's MBRs, because you can have so many of them. The successful boot has /boot on /dev/hda8, and it is not marked bootable Its / is on /dev/hdb5. Neither /dev/hda8 and /dev/hdb5 are not marked bootable, but the boot works. The only obvious difference are the partitions are in different places on the hard disk when /boot is marked bootable, it fails the failing boot is the only one with / being reiserfs. The others are ext2. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is device 03:4c?
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 05:56:04PM -0400, Marty wrote: > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > >The actual MBR used for both the failing boot and the successful boot > >are on /dev/fd0. LILO was told boot=/dev/fd0. It's remarkably safe > >to play with a floppy's MBRs, because you can have so many of them. > > There is a "feature" (bug?) in LILO that I've never quite understood but > have worked around by always making any intended second target boot/root My boot and root partitions are separate. > partition the "first" drive in the system (either by removing the exist > hda/sda or by changing the target partition to hda/sda). Then I boot with > a rescue floppy kernel, specifying the target boot/root partition on the > LILO boot option line, and then running lilo after booting up. It's a > pain in the butt, but I have learned to live with it. > > If I don't do it this way, lilo always seems to write the MBR to the "first" > drive's partition (the one I booted up on) instead of the new one I specify > in lilo.conf. > > Running LILO with one or more -v options may clarify whether you are running > into this issue. If you have this problem you will need a rescue floppy or > standalone CD-ROM that supports reiser fs. When I run lilo, it does appear to write to the floppy disk. When I boot from the floppy after lilo writes to it, the boot menu does have the changed entries in it. So I think it is indeed writing to the proper place. When I ask it to write to the hard disk, I do specify /dev/hda. > > > > >The successful boot has /boot on /dev/hda8, and it is not marked bootable > >Its / is on /dev/hdb5. Neither /dev/hda8 and /dev/hdb5 are not marked > >bootable, but the boot works. > > > >The only obvious difference are > > the partitions are in different places on the hard disk > > when /boot is marked bootable, it fails > > the failing boot is the only one with / being reiserfs. > > The others are ext2. > > Another obvious question: Did you check to make sure your reiser partition > kernel has the drivers or modules required to support reiser fs? The contents of the boot and root partitions in the copy (which was to be upgraded to sarge) are exact copies of the ones I boot from successfully (made with tar piped to untar), except for * changed /etc/fstab entries that properly refer to the copy, not to the original. * changed /etc/lilo.conf to point to the same files and partitions, but with the altered names from /etc/fstab * the root partition in the copy is a reiser partition. The /etc/lilo on both systems provides stanzas for both the original and copied systems, and also a DOS partition (which hasn't booted since Y2K, but works fine with dosemu). Of course I haven't been able to use the /etc/lilo.conf in the copy yet, because I can't get it to boot. The original system can read and write the reiserfs, so I presume the copy would have the same drivers. Unless, of course, some boot process needs to read the root partition before it has discovered the reiser kernel modules. Is that likely? Just when *does* the boot process load its modules from /boot? Does it have to read from /etc first? Could that be the problem? Here's the lilo.conf stanza for the copy: image = /sargeboot/vmlinuz-2.4.16-586 read-only initrd=/sargeboot/initrd.img-2.4.16-586 root = /dev/hdb12 label = sargetobe /dev/hdb12 is the reiser partition; /sargeboot is ext2. The lilo.conf in the copy itself (which has never been used yet) of course mantions /boot instead of /sargeboot to refer to the exact same boot partition. I still have another empty partition available : /dev/hdb13, the same size as /dev/hdb12, the root partition for the copy. I suppose I could make /dev/hdb13 into an ext2 file system, copy /dev/hdb12 into it, and see if that boots. It would answer questions whether the use of reiserfs is the problem. -- hendrik > > > > >-- hendrik > > > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is device 03:4c?
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 10:36:04PM -0400, Marty wrote: > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > >The original system can read and write the reiserfs, so I presume the > >copy would have the same drivers. > > > >Unless, of course, some boot process needs to read the root partition > >before it has discovered the reiser kernel modules. Is that likely? > >Just when *does* the boot process load its modules from /boot? Does > >it have to read from /etc first? Could that be the problem? > > Not only /etc but /lib/modules too. Sounds like a chicken and egg problem. > You could try compiling in the reiser module(s). > > >I still have another empty partition available : /dev/hdb13, > >the same size as /dev/hdb12, the root partition for > >the copy. I suppose I could make /dev/hdb13 into an ext2 > >file system, copy /dev/hdb12 into it, and see if that boots. > >It would answer questions whether the use of reiserfs is the > >problem. > > Sounds like you're on the right track. Yes. It is starting to make sense now. And the sarge system I have on another machine, entirely in reiser, presumably has the reiser modules compiled into its kernel. So once I have upgraded my ext2 copy top sarge and then upgraded to a spamking new sarge kernel, I should be able to clone it onto a reiser file system and get it all to work. Thanks. It's been good thinking with you. I'll post again when I've managed to get things working -- or not. Presumably in a day or two. -- hendrik > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is device 03:4c?
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 11:36:29PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 10:36:04PM -0400, Marty wrote: > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > >The original system can read and write the reiserfs, so I presume the > > >copy would have the same drivers. > > > > > >Unless, of course, some boot process needs to read the root partition > > >before it has discovered the reiser kernel modules. Is that likely? > > >Just when *does* the boot process load its modules from /boot? Does > > >it have to read from /etc first? Could that be the problem? > > > > Not only /etc but /lib/modules too. Sounds like a chicken and egg problem. > > You could try compiling in the reiser module(s). > > > > >I still have another empty partition available : /dev/hdb13, > > >the same size as /dev/hdb12, the root partition for > > >the copy. I suppose I could make /dev/hdb13 into an ext2 > > >file system, copy /dev/hdb12 into it, and see if that boots. > > >It would answer questions whether the use of reiserfs is the > > >problem. > > > > Sounds like you're on the right track. > > Yes. It is starting to make sense now. And the sarge system I have > on another machine, entirely in reiser, presumably has the reiser > modules compiled into its kernel. > > So once I have upgraded my ext2 copy top sarge and then upgraded > to a spamking new sarge kernel, I should be able to clone it > onto a reiser file system and get it all to work. > > Thanks. It's been good thinking with you. I'll post again when > I've managed to get things working -- or not. Presumably in a day or two. Did that. I now have the copy of woody running in an ext2 partition. It does seem that the boot kernel needs to load a module to access the reiserfs, and it does it no good to have that module residing in a reiserfs. Next step? Instead of compiling reiser into the kernel, I think I'll upgrade to sarge, and then install a current 2.6 kernel -- I believe those have reiser compiled in. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade woody-->sarge, KDE stops working
On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 05:21:01PM -0700, Mark Fletcher wrote: > Hi > > Got a problem with KDE after upgrading woody to sarge. > I am running the i386 distribution. For historical > reasons I will get around to sorting out one of these > days, I run gdm then select a KDE session at login. > > My X server has obviously survived the upgrade as gdm > starts OK on boot and presents me with the usual login > screen. Even my custom ModeLine settings for my > display survived; my XF86Config-4 file is exactly the > same as the backup copy I took before upgrading. > > However on login, the X server appears to shut down > (and gdm promptly re-starts it) -- so I log in and > after some flashing of screens for a second or two I > find myself back at the login screen again. Very similar problems here: after the upgrade, I use xdm to log in. My window manager is icewm. But the same problem. It flashes screens for a maybe five or ten seconds (I have a slow machine) and I'm back at the login screen again. So the problem may bot depend on gdm and kde specifically, at least if I have the same problem instead of just the same symptom. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade woody-->sarge, KDE stops working
On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 11:58:15PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 05:21:01PM -0700, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Got a problem with KDE after upgrading woody to sarge.
> > I am running the i386 distribution. For historical
> > reasons I will get around to sorting out one of these
> > days, I run gdm then select a KDE session at login.
> >
> > My X server has obviously survived the upgrade as gdm
> > starts OK on boot and presents me with the usual login
> > screen. Even my custom ModeLine settings for my
> > display survived; my XF86Config-4 file is exactly the
> > same as the backup copy I took before upgrading.
> >
> > However on login, the X server appears to shut down
> > (and gdm promptly re-starts it) -- so I log in and
> > after some flashing of screens for a second or two I
> > find myself back at the login screen again.
>
> Very similar problems here: after the upgrade, I use
> xdm to log in. My window manager is icewm. But the
> same problem. It flashes screens for a maybe five or ten
> seconds (I have a slow machine) and I'm back at the
> login screen again. So the problem may bot depend on
> gdm and kde specifically, at least if I have the same
> problem instead of just the same symptom.
The release notes for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 ("sarge"), Intel 86
-- upgrades chapter says to read
/usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/README.Debian-upgrade.gz
before rebooting. I haven't found the information there to be
of much use, except to tell me that the entire X susbystem
bas been thouroghly churned and not to expect too much
fron doing the upgrade. Doing
apt-get install x-window-system
doesn't seem to help.
-- hendrik
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Re: Upgrade woody-->sarge, KDE stops working
On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 12:41:12PM +, Petri Varsa wrote: > I had the exact same problem ... except I use kdm. You must have a lot more > patience than myself. It only took me a few hours before I decided to just > back up all of my data and re-install everything. :-) This is actually the second time I tried to upgrade everything. The first time failed on running out of disk space. The second upgraded correctly except for X. Inbetween I had another try, but I don't count is because I never got to the point of editing my sources.list to pointing to sarge. I had copied my woody system to a reiser partition in order to do the upgrade on the copy (thereby ensuring the original woody would still run in case of mishap), and I discovered that woody wouldn'y boot from a reiser file system. Patience is much improved when you still have a working, unupgraded system on the same machine, and can still get your real work done. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade woody-->sarge, KDE stops working
On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 12:11:23PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 11:58:15PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 05:21:01PM -0700, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Got a problem with KDE after upgrading woody to sarge.
> > > I am running the i386 distribution. For historical
> > > reasons I will get around to sorting out one of these
> > > days, I run gdm then select a KDE session at login.
> > >
> > > My X server has obviously survived the upgrade as gdm
> > > starts OK on boot and presents me with the usual login
> > > screen. Even my custom ModeLine settings for my
> > > display survived; my XF86Config-4 file is exactly the
> > > same as the backup copy I took before upgrading.
> > >
> > > However on login, the X server appears to shut down
> > > (and gdm promptly re-starts it) -- so I log in and
> > > after some flashing of screens for a second or two I
> > > find myself back at the login screen again.
> >
> > Very similar problems here: after the upgrade, I use
> > xdm to log in. My window manager is icewm. But the
> > same problem. It flashes screens for a maybe five or ten
> > seconds (I have a slow machine) and I'm back at the
> > login screen again. So the problem may bot depend on
> > gdm and kde specifically, at least if I have the same
> > problem instead of just the same symptom.
>
> The release notes for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 ("sarge"), Intel 86
> -- upgrades chapter says to read
> /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/README.Debian-upgrade.gz
> before rebooting. I haven't found the information there to be
> of much use, except to tell me that the entire X susbystem
> bas been thouroghly churned and not to expect too much
> fron doing the upgrade. Doing
>apt-get install x-window-system
> doesn't seem to help.
I certainly *never* asked xdm to be held back, not icewm, yet
when I started an interactive aptitude session just now,
they were on the list of held-back packages, and their
installed version numbers were significantly behind the current
sarge ones. Perhaps that's relevant???
Aptitude didn't complain about any potential broken dependencies,
so I went ahead and typed +. I wonder why dist-upgrade didn't
update them.
There appears to be a large collection of other, similarly held back
packages. I'll get to them next.
-- hendrik
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Re: Good backup software for Linux
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 11:22:27AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote:> Alvin Oga wrote: > > Using an extra 300GB disk is out of the question and that's precisely > why I was asking about other's experiences regarding removeable media. And later, Alvin Oga wrote: > > I'm still open to suggestions regarding backing up on CDs/DVDs. I have been noticing the per-gigabyte price of (larger) hard disks declining, and I have the impression that they are approaching that of CDs. What's more, you only have to pay for them once, whereas you keep buying more CDs. Except, of course for the CD-RWs, which I found a nuisance to erase. I'vr gone the dismountable hard disk route, and haven't regretted it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About blackdown
On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 07:37:05PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > make it work. In the long run, I'd love it if I could compile my program for > Linux, OSX, and Windows, with all executable and library files in one or a > few directories on an install CD, and easily copy that directory tree over to > the target system. You might want to look at the wxWindows/wxWidgets library (it changed its name recently). It does run on Linux, Windows, Mac, and a variety of Unixes. > I'm probably wrong on this, but I didn't think Qt could > be used from Java, and I don't know C or C++. But it does stick you with the misfortune of programming in C++. There does seem to be a Python binding, though. But is there any problem getting your clients to use Sun's Java? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Partial success: Re: Upgrade woody-->sarge, KDE stops working
On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 12:39:01PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 12:11:23PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I certainly *never* asked xdm to be held back, nor icewm, yet > when I started an interactive aptitude session just now, > they were on the list of held-back packages, and their > installed version numbers were significantly behind the current > sarge ones. Perhaps that's relevant??? > > Aptitude didn't complain about any potential broken dependencies, > so I went ahead and typed +. I wonder why dist-upgrade didn't > update them. > > There appears to be a large collection of other, similarly held back > packages. I'll get to them next. Got to them. Explicitly requested a few packages, did "U" in aptitude twice, explicitly installed and recofigured gdm to be my display manager, and still didn't get to successfully log in. One minutes after logging in, a message came up on the screen warning me that my session had lasted less than ten seconds. Used gdm to switch to icewm (which I had thought was default, and everything worked. The system even seems faster than it was under woody, yes, using icewm too. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
svc: bad direction 268435456, dropping request
I keep getting the following message showing up on my root consoles: > svc: bad direction 268435456, dropping request It's been a nuisance during upgrade, because when aptitude decides to ask me a configuration question while I'm eating dinner, sometimes the question is hopelessly obscured by the time I have to answer it. I can only hope the question wasn't really important and press return. (sometimes control-L helps. Sometimes not). What is svc? What piece of the system emits this? What kind of requests are being processed? Is it a problem I can fix? Or should I just find a way of redirecting the message to a safer place? I'm using kernel vmlinuz-2.4.16-586. Would a newer kernel help? I googled, and found several discussions that seemed to ask nore thatn answer. The only ultimate cause I found rumoured as a possibility as a LAN with duplicate IP numbers. I don't have that problem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Window problem after woody --> sarge upgrade
On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 08:27:43AM -0500, Kent West wrote: > Mark Fletcher wrote: > > >BUT -- now X is shot. If I try to start X either using > >GDM or startx, it starts up but then... my monitor > >goes into power saving mode!!! And nothing can get it > >to come out of it other than Ctrl-Alt-F1, login as > >root (without being able to see what I am doing) then > >shutdown -r now... Even Ctrl-Alt-BkSpc doesn't work... > > > > > If GDM starts, then the X server is functioning. So the problem must be > with your window manager/environment. Try something simple, like icewm > or fluxbox, and let us know the results. > > -- > Kent Does your monitor shut off before or after you try to log in. I had lots of trouble when I used xdm. I switched to gdm, and still had trouble. But the nice thing about gdm is that I can specify what window manager to use each time I log in. This allows me to experiment, I hand-upgraded icewm and gdm, and then icewm worked. I never got KDE to work, though. -- hendrik > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install options until Sarge lands...Can I use the installer with my 7 Woody discs?
Carl Fink wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 11:05:41PM +, scott wrote: ... I cannot tell from any searching if the new "installer" is included on those weekly sarge snapshot ISO images. It is. I am wondering what I should do while I wait for the official Sarge announcement. Should I: a) Download the unofficial Sarge anyway, since people run Sid without issues? b) Download the installer ISO and see if it will use my other Woody discs to complete install (will this work?) No, it won't. I guess the reverse question is whether the woody installer will work with the sarge CD's. c) Just settle with MEPIS/Knoppix flavor for now Why is that settling? They're perfectly valid distributions. I happen to like Debian, but I don't denigrate Mepis, Gnoppix, Knoppix, Progeny, etc. Please also note that this is a networkless box, so I won't be connected to the web any time soon with it - all installation and package updating will have to be via disc. On a networkless box, I'd be very afraid to use Sarge until it's stable, because one a week or so I'm getting a multi-hundred megabyte update. If you install Sarge, you'll end up downloading multiple sets of install disks before it's finally released, if you want to stay current. Why not stick to either of the perfectly good distros you're using for a few more months? -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: keeping woody
On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 10:52:47AM -0600, s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Clive Menzies: > > On (28/09/04 10:02), s. keeling wrote: > > > Incoming from Clive Menzies: > > > > On (28/09/04 05:57), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > I have a machine running woody and another running sargs. When the > > > > > big switchover comes, I want the woody machine to continue running > > > > > woody and not follow stable to a big change to sarge. Oh -- I will > > > > > > > > In your /etc/apt/sources.list change references from "stable" to "woody" > > > > and then you will continue to track woody. > > > > > > ... Mostly. This trick doesn't appear to work here: > > > > > > # this works: > > > deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stable/updates main contrib > > > non-free > > > > > > # this doesn't: > > > deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security woody/updates main contrib > > > non-free > > > > Ah! Well this does here: > > deb http://security.debian.org/ woody/updates main > > Not for me: > > (0) root /root_ aptitude update > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree > Reading extended state information... Done > W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org woody/updates/main > Packages > (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_woody_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) > - stat (2 No such file or directory) > W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org woody/updates/main > Packages > (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_woody_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) > - stat (2 No such file or directory) > W: You may want to update the package lists to correct these missing files > I just took the *very helpful* advice I asked for and got this output. No problem! I just told aptitude to "u" (update), and it did. Package lists now up-to-date, and all is cool.\ -- hendrik > > -- > Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. > (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling > - - > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VIA sound problem
On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 09:39:02AM -0400, Jim Lynch wrote: > > > I've been completely unable to get sound to work with Debian and any > sound card, ever and I've been running Debian for years. My last > attempt was the testing distro and 2.6.8 on a box with the via 82xxx > card build into the MB. I fiinally got it to actually install so the > /dev/dsp device was recognized and the alsa mixer must think there is > something there because it lets me adjust the gain, but no noise from > anything. Dumping wave files to /dev/dsp or /dev/audio doesn't even > work. I've also installed SUSE 9.1 which is running a 2.6.x kernel and > it works fine. Sounds good. I compared the modules and as far as I can > tell they are the same. > > Until I installed SUSE, I had pretty much figured sound and Linux > weren't gonna happen. > > Just as an aside, I installed CUPS and I can't print. It says there > isn't anything connected to the port, however during install it went out > and found the printer and reported back to me that it was the HP > LaserJet 6L so at some point something found a printer connected to the > port. > > Also K3B cant find dvd+rw-format even though it is in the same directory > and has the same permissions as growisofs. > > I know testing isn't perfect, but something strange is going on here. The only pronter I've been able to get to work with Debian is a networked HP printer. CUPS seems to be able to find things on my LAN, given the IP nomber. My Epson 777 priter is all properly configures, but when I print to it, nothing happens except that after a while CUPS thinks it has been printed. -- hendrik > > Jim. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: keeping woody
On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 05:04:16PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > <#secure method=pgp mode=sign> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Olav Lavell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Op di 28-09-2004, om 11:45 schreef Clive Menzies: > > > >> On (28/09/04 05:57), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > >> > How do I set it up to make sure I stay with woody and do not > >> > automatically upgrad to the new stable? > > > >> In your /etc/apt/sources.list change references from "stable" to > >> "woody" and then you will continue to track woody. > > > > This needs to be on the front page of www.debian.org, > > www.debianplanet.org and any other website about Debian! In big letters! > > Why? It's obvious, well documented (I can recall seeing it on this > list several times before, so it's in the archives), and easily > googled. Just because you refuse to make the effort doesn't mean > everybody else will. Many (especially new) Debian users may not even realize there's a choice to be made. -- hendrik > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBWfwAUzgNqloQMwcRAjd7AKCP2to560rpQ2/hniEND3pzcBQt0gCgmrxB > wsPHcLA1Ah+Y59eKfoeyJXQ= > =mP4t > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What's with abiword fonts on sarge?
Until recently, sarge's abiword wouldn't print on my hetworked Brother `870N printer, connected through CUPS and ethernet. A recent upgrade fixed that. But now it persists in printing everything in a too-large type face, and all the italics are replaces by sans-serif straight up and down font. On woody (wisely still resident on aother partition) everything prints corrctly. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
interfaceing to ancient TRS-80 model 100 portable
I have inherited an old Tandy TRS-80 model 100 portable computer. What Debian software do I use for this. No ... I/m not trying to put Linux on a Basic-only machine. But it hase a serial port to upload/download data and programs -- but I have no documentation. I can probably get it to pipe stuff out as a serial stream, of possibly ancient stuff like Xmodem. Does anyone have actual experience with these things? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uh Oh... Prof requires ms word format
On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 07:50:20AM -0500, cecil wrote: > I just looked on the upcoming syllubus for my CS class. The prof > requires ms word format zipped files for the assignments. What do I do > to do that on linux? I guess I HAVE to install X now. :( > > Cecil With the replies so far, I guess you now know that X will run on your machine. Knoppix might have troubles, though, because its autoconfiguration may be designed for a larger machine (it reserves a 10 megabyte RAMdisk, for example, and thst's a *lot* of your RAM, and may no longer have space for X. As for minimal X, I once (ten or fifteen years ago) used an X terminal with only 8 meg of RAM. It worked fine, though all my applications and even the window manager had to run on another machine! May I recommend abiword? It will also generate word files, and it's a good deal smaller than OpenOffice. -- hendrik > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Visual C++?????
On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 11:19:42PM +0200, Joris Huizer wrote: > > The worst thing I know of Visual C++ is, > > for (int i = 0; ) > ... > ... > ... > for (int i = 0; ) > > won't work as the thing parses as if it's still 1990 (something like > that) - this syntax wasn't legal once I have it on moderately good (but anonymous) authority that a few years ago it was deliberate Microsoft policy for their C++ implementations to be *in*compatible with others. I don't know whether that policy is still in force now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Visual C++?????
On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 03:52:34PM -0700, William Ballard wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 06:58:35PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I have it on moderately good (but anonymous) authority that a few > > years ago it was deliberate Microsoft policy for their C++ implementations > > to be *in*compatible with others. I don't know whether that policy is > > still in force now. > > I worked there from June 2000, the annoucement of "NGWS" (which became > .NET), to Jan 2003. I saw several product cycles, how it went from > perfectly plausible explanations of how interop would finally be > "normal" (as in Java web services from IBM consumable from Visual Studio > and vice versa), It was specifically C++ I heard it about, not Java or XML or anything else. > to the usual "yeah, if you're a nutjob, you can make > them interop with a lot of effort and in a limited way" -- and I never > saw (except for two occasions someone deliberately say "we want this not > to interop by design" (One was a manager two levels up and one level > sideways from me; and the other was Bill Gates -- both saying "we want > people to only think of our XML processor when they think of XML"). > > What ends up happening is just 1,000,000 neutral things, a bunch of > sideways hoohah, and it just sort of ends up that way. If there is a > deliberate attempt to sway the process it was at a level I never saw. > > To be fair none of the Java web services interact well mix-matching > Servers and Clients either. I have this on authority from Britt > McAlister, a super java expert who came over from @Home, who did some > interop work between Tomcat, .NET, BEA, and IBM. All of the three > Java-ish things are relatively-mutually-incompatible with other Javas as > they are with .NET. > > I did come across the phrase "trench warfare" used to describe IE 3.0. > One or two people sheepishly acknowledge malevolent intent. But a lot > more of it is --- something else, not directly describable as "evil > intent," but just "stuff that happens". Yes. Stuff that happens. My phrase for it is "Strategic incompetence". It takes competence to make things interoperate smoothly. So if you want to avoid interoperability, you just let the stuff happen, with perhaps a token effort to do something about it. > > Kind of like how politicians always end up the same no matter how they > start out. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: interfaces lo:1 lo:2 lo:3? (for remote ssh tunnels)
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 08:05:05AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > Will Trillich wrote: > > >On Sat, Jun 26 at 08:33PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > > > > > I don't understand why the server would be making the > connexion request. By definition, the client does that. ^ It's fun seeing this spelling. The Oxford English Dictionary actually considers this the correct version, and, IIRC, make a point of saying so. I've never seen this spelling anywhere else up to now, nor havi I seen any other dictionaries that accept it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IMPORTANT WARNING! Re: I'm too stupid to use find, can someone help me out, please?
On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 10:36:06AM +0200, Joerg Johannes wrote:
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Re: Using Linux on a Family PC
On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 04:21:43PM +0200, Felix C. Stegerman wrote: > Jacob S. wrote: > > > >Unfortunately, even OOo is going to be slow for them. Upgrade the ram to > >at least 256MB, if you can. > > I'd like to, but I doubt my budget allows me to. > But I'll ask them whether they're willing to pay for more speed. > If you want it small, try abiword. I run it on my 48megabyte 100MHz Pentium 100. Performance is adequate. Window manager is icewm. > > What I was referring to was preventing them from deleting THEIR OWN > important files. My step-dad almost killed the windows '98 PC by > randomly using drag & drop in windows explorer. > > I thougt of some kind of cron job that backups their important files to > the second HD or something like that. Any ideas? you might use CVS or subversion . . . None of them are, as far as I know, designed as backup programs, but they might do the job in an interesting manner. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing Debian and installing programs
On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 06:45:03PM +1200, Simon Kitching wrote: > On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 08:28, Jim Knott wrote: > > I bought a distro from someone who sells a lot of Debian and when the install > > failed, they even sent me a second set in case the first one was no good. The > > installs went good up to the 2nd and 3rd disc's respectively, but wouldn't > > install all the way. I know I don't understand all of the technical jargon in > > the install, so maybe I did something wrong. I tried the install directions > > on Debian.org, but that didn't help either, too cornfuzin! Is there anyone > > that can tell me how to install, using plain english, step-by-step? Also, > > when I do get it installed, I want to be able to use the command line to > > download from tucows or others and install programs on my Linux computer, can > > you provide step-by-step instructions for that also? I really want to learn > > Linux, but the books I have bought are not for new people, they are for > > someone who understands all of the tech jargon. Thanks, Jim > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Hi Jim, > > Are you using the new "debian-installer" program (which installs the > "testing" version called Sarge, or the "unstable" version called Sid)? > > Or are you installing the (rather old) stable version of Debian called > "Woody" (aka Debian 3.0)? > > [I presume you've noticed the Toy Story naming scheme :-] > > If you are only trying to install Debian for "learning" and home use, > then using the new (and much nicer) "debian-installer" program is a > better choice than the old installer that comes with the Woody (3.0) > distribution. It's still officially in "beta", but it works great. > > I have tried debian several times over the years, and only when the new > installer arrived did I ever manage to get it properly installed. > > You will find info on the new debian-installer here: > http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ > > If you don't have a good network connection, then a reseller should > still be able to provide CDs with a recent "Sarge" snapshot, even though > it's not yet an official release. The reseller I used was the computerhelperguy, www.chguy.com. It took a few days longer than expected (he has to help his brother move house or something), but the woody CDs he sent me worked perfectly, and the slim boxes had a pleasant alternating red and blue motif. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using Linux on a Family PC
On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 10:40:52AM -0500, Jacob S. wrote: > On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:21:43 +0200 > "Felix C. Stegerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I remember WP 5.1. That was fast. I haven't used it for a long time > > though, so I can't really remember much of the advanced functionality. > > My dad (note that my real dad and stepdad are different peoply, and my > > > > real dad does know a lot about computers since he's a sysadmin) still > > uses WP 5.1 regularly. Unfortunately he doesn't use Linux, but his > > company does use (dare I say this?) SCO UNIX. (which I believe they > > bought before SCO was taken over by Caldera though). > > Well, if old versions aren't a problem... They did release WordPerfect > 8.x for Linux a long time ago. I used to have a cd of it around here. > Not sure how easy it would be to find for download. Note, however, that > it requires some old libraries to work properly. I had a WordPerfect for Linux CD. It tried to write on the CD dirung installation! Tech support said you could get around this by copying the entire CD to hard disk, and then installing from the copy. But I didn't have an extra 500 megabytes (that was a *lot* of disk space in those days. I was not impressed. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How Might I Help?
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:53:52AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Greetings, > > I have been using Debian with KDE since December and really love it. I > haven't found it to be too challenging, and most of my questions and issues > were easily answered with research into lists like this one and google > searching. Every time you had to go to the lists lo find out something, it's an indication that the regular documentation wasn't adequate -- even if only that you couldn't find the intformatin that was there. You could write the document you wish you had had when you started. Or improve one that might partially already exits. The Debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?FrontPage) might be a good place to contribute. Or if you feel ambitious, write a book! -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Where are CUPS Brother drivers?
I installed the CUPS drivers for a Brother network printer on a Debian machine the other week, and it worked *perfectly* using the driver for the HL-1670N, even though the printer is an HL-1870N. Now I am trying to install the same CUPS drivers on another Debian machine on the same LAN, and CUPS web administration can't seem to find drivers for any Brother printer. Both machines run woody. When it gets to the point of asking me about "Model/Driver for laser" (I called the printer "laser") I get a choice of Raw, Canon, Dymo, Epson, HP, Lexmark, and Okidata. Brother does not appear on the list. Just to be sure, I went back to the first computer, where it all still works *perfectly*, ran through the web configuration again, and Brother does appear on the list there. Evidently, I left something out during the second install -- probably some or other package. Which one might it be? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Xserver aborts when idle
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:56:11PM -0400, disciple wrote: > Booted laptop. At the prompt I did: $ xset s off ... Got error: > xset: unable to open display " " > > I then started X and opened a terminal window. I did $ xset s off and > did not get an error, it just put back at the prompt. X still aborted. > I rebooted my laptop and tried again still aborted. I have noticed > that it crashes at about 20 minutes after being left idle. This does > not happen with my PC, only the laptop. > I have the crash after 20 minutes problem on a machine where I run gdm and gnome. I have no solution either. It's a PC, not a laptop. It uses an ATI Radeon 8500DV video card, and I'm running it in VGA mode for lack of better drivers. It does not happen on my other machine, where I am running xdm and icewm. I'm running gdm on the first machine because X crashed immediately when I used kdm -- kdm wouldn't come up at all. Maybe that's a related problem? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where are CUPS Brother drivers?
On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 11:35:35AM +0100, boo wrote: > On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 00:47 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I installed the CUPS drivers for a Brother network printer on a Debian > > machine the other week, and it worked *perfectly* using the driver for > > the HL-1670N, even though the printer is an HL-1870N. > > I expect you're missing the foomatic-filters-ppds package: Perhaps because it isn't part of woody. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-file search ppd | grep 1870 > foomatic-filters-ppds: usr/share/ppd/Brother/Brother-HL-1870N- > Postscript.ppd.gz > foomatic-filters-ppds: usr/share/ppd/Brother/Brother-HL-1870N- > hl1250.ppd.gz > foomatic-filters-ppds: usr/share/ppd/Brother/Brother-HL-1870N- > hpijs.ppd.gz > foomatic-filters-ppds: usr/share/ppd/Brother/Brother-HL-1870N- > lj5gray.ppd.gz > foomatic-filters-ppds: usr/share/ppd/Brother/Brother-HL-1870N- > ljet4.ppd.gz > foomatic-filters-ppds: usr/share/ppd/Brother/Brother-HL-1870N- > ljet4d.ppd.gz > foomatic-filters-ppds: usr/share/ppd/Brother/Brother-HL-1870N- > pxlmono.ppd.gz But I do have text/cupsomatic-ppd installed, which contains /usr/share/cups/model/Brother/HL-1670N-Postscript.ppd But for some reason it isn't finding the Brother option when selecting a printer model. It never gets around to asking about a model number. But yes, it works fine on my other Debian woody system, where I could tell it Ihave a Brother printer, and I told it the model number was 1670N, which worked. As far as I can tell, the only difference between the 1670N and the 1870N is the amount of RAM on the printer. -- hendrik > > Alternatively, http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi? > recnum=Brother-HL-1870N claims that there is a PPD on the driver CD (or > downloadable from Brother). Stuff this into /usr/share/cups/model and > restart cups. WFM. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do Kernel updates work on Woody?
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 11:42:50AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 09:50:29PM +0530, Didar Hussain wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm a new Debian user. I want to know how do kernel updates > > happen? > > > > Let me explain: > > > > I've installed "Woody" on my PC. The kernel is the default 2.4.18-bf2.4 > > There have been certain recent kernel vulnerabilities. I'm sure > > these got patched. Then why is that when I do a `apt-get upgrade' > > I do not see any kernel update mentioned? Will I see it only if > > I install one of the optimized kernel-image packages? > > > > Kernel images are never installed 'automatically'. To be kept informed > of security problems with kernel-images in Stable (currently Woody), > you should subscribe to the security-announce list. If there ever is a > recognized problem, this list will tell you of it, and what to do > about it. If you just want to try a different kernel, because you are > curious, then you should choose a particular one to download and > try. The on-screen instructions that are displayed by the install > script of a kernel-image package are pretty explicit as to what you > need to do. Be aware that the script makes changes to lilo or grub > (whichever you use I think, but maybe only lilo), and your new kernel > is not placed in service until you reboot your computer. Many serious > Debian users would be seriously put out, if Debian were to create a > script that automatically rebooted a computer. Hence, there is no > automatic upgrade of the kernel. But the manual upgrade is easy. > > Also the changes to lilo that are made by the script should make it > possible to boot your old kernel again, if it turns out that you > don't like the behavior of the new kernel. If you have made any > changes to your lilo.conf, you should check the script changes and > fix any incompatibilities before you attempt to reboot. > > Do not be put off by these warnings. Mere mortals like me can do it. Correct me if I am wrong, but a big point here is that a new kernel is installed *in addition* to the old kernel, and does not replace it. This makes a boot-time choice of kernel possible, and provides a graceful fallback in case of trouble. -- hendrik > > -- > Paul E Condon > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bash equivalent to DOS /p
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 10:30:53PM +0800, Duggan wrote: > Kirk Strauser wrote: > > >On Friday 2004-07-16 08:59 am, Duggan wrote: > > > > > > > >>I know that this is a really n00bish question, but I have to ask. What > >>is the command that limits output from a command to just a page at a > >>time, like the /p command in DOS? > >> > >> > > > >less (or more). As in, instead of running > > > > $ command > > > >you pipe it's output into less (or more): > > > > $ command | less > > > >Et voila! You get the output one page at a time. > > > > > Okies, I get it now > > Thanks > > Elijah That works for regular output. However, some programs also emit error messages onto stderr. The above command will *not* redirect error messages into less, so they might mess up the pagination. To get error messages piped through less, use command 2>&1 | less -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bash equivalent to DOS /p
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 03:58:41PM -0400, Nori Heikkinen wrote: > on Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:46:30PM -0400, Hendrik Boom insinuated: > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 10:30:53PM +0800, Duggan wrote: > > > Kirk Strauser wrote: > > > > > > >On Friday 2004-07-16 08:59 am, Duggan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I know that this is a really n00bish question, but I have to ask. What > > > >>is the command that limits output from a command to just a page at a > > > >>time, like the /p command in DOS? > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >less (or more). As in, instead of running > > > > > > > > $ command > > > > > > > >you pipe it's output into less (or more): > > > > > > > > $ command | less > > > > > > > >Et voila! You get the output one page at a time. > > > > > > > > > > > Okies, I get it now > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Elijah > > > > That works for regular output. However, some programs also emit > > error messages onto stderr. The above command will *not* redirect > > error messages into less, so they might mess up the pagination. > > To get error messages piped through less, use > > > > command 2>&1 | less > > dude! i've been trying to do that for months. tahnks! > > as an aside, did /p in DOS redirect stderr, too? it's been so long > ... Well, I'm glad I posted -- I nearly didn't -- it seemed too well-known. But then I thought, piping to less is well-known, too. I wonder how many other well-known things need to be posted here too I wonder how many of them I need to know and don't... You're welcome. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: syncing pda + phone on linux?
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 11:47:05AM -0600, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > > Oh, my husband brought a DVD *player* into the marriage, so I can watch > them on TV -- I'm talking about in my computer. I've toyed with the > idea, though, particularly to burn off archives; it's just never been > important enough to me. A DVD drive in a computer is a *really* good way to watch a DVD. The screen resolution is better than *anything* I've seen on TV. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian install breaks on 'Configuring Locales'
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 12:35:22PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > You want something FREE to work, out of a "box" it didn't come in, when > expensive Gatesware that you PAY for, in a fancy-pants > marketing-droid-designed > box with a hologram on it, DOESN'T work?? *WHERE* did you get > the DRUGS??? I've had the joy of installing Windows ME and Linux several times on the same machine. I have always managed to get the Linux install to work. I have had lots of trouble with Windows ME. In fact, the only way I managed was to set up a dual boot system. Then I used Linux to back up Windows frequently during its installation, so that whe the installation crashes I did not need to go all the way back to the start. Every time Windows asked me to reboot to continue installation, I had an opportunity to make another backup. Without Linux, I would have had a much harder time of it all. As it was, complete install of Windows (with all the net configurations, printer software, ATI video drivers, etc.) took only a week. Now I find it easier to restore a minimal verion ow Windows from a Linux-made backup rather than reinstall after a major Windows-doesn't-boot-anymore grade disaster. (happens every few months). Everyone using this system has been warned to avoid putting any essential data on the C: partition. Not that that's entirely avoidable. My conclusion? I consider Linux an essential maintenance tool if you are going to run Windows. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Urgent :Dual boot Debian+Mandrake with lilo
On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 09:33:41AM -0500, Kent West wrote: > Vijaya S wrote: > > >It didnt work Kent. > >But it has to be mounted before i see it right > > > > > No; you don't need to mount your Mandrake partitions in order to change > the /etc/lilo.conf file on your Debian side. Since Debian is the last OS > installed, I'm assuming that your current lilo is from Debian, not > Mandrake, so it's the Debian lilo that needs to be modified. (1) I have a few questions about this, too. In lilo.conf, you need to specify the kernel that is to be run. Is it not necessary to have the partition containing the kernel to be mounted when you run lilo? And don't you name it with the file name it has in the OS you're running lilo in instead of the OS you will be booting that kernel into? (2) This one's for curiosity only, because I will be replacing my Mandrake soon (which I currently boot from floppy only). When I installed Mandrake, it used the device name /dev/hde for my hard disk. I thought, interesting. My hard disk must be on the *third* IDE chain. I wonder why. But then sometime later, I installed Debian on another partition, and *it* considered the same drive to be /dev/hda. This made it obscure just how to write a lilo that whould use both device names properly. Now I know there's probably a way to do this anyway. But my question is -- why would different Linuxes (linuces? Linuses) want to use different devide names for the same hard disk? Has this weird naming happened to anyone else? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Safely Upgrading Packages
On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 04:30:45PM +0930, David Purton wrote: > On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 02:43:13AM -0400, Michael B Allen wrote: > > I've been running Debian on the net for a while. I thought it's time to look > > at keeping packages up to date. But when I run apt-get update: > > > > # apt-get upgrade > > you want apt-get dist-upgrade > ^ > > upgrade will never install new packages, and it looks like apache > dependancies have changed since you last upgraded and now it wants extra > stuff. dist-upgrade whould pull in the extra packages required. Dies Aptitude do dist-upgrades? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Urgent :Dual boot Debian+Mandrake with lilo
On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 08:28:02PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > >(2) This one's for curiosity only, because I will be replacing my Mandrake > >soon (which I currently boot from floppy only). When I installed > >Mandrake, it used the device name /dev/hde for my hard disk. I thought, > >interesting. My hard disk must be on the *third* IDE chain. I wonder why. > >But then sometime later, I installed Debian on another partition, and *it* > >considered the same drive to be /dev/hda. This made it obscure just how to > >write a lilo that whould use both device names properly. Now I know > >there's > >probably a way to do this anyway. But my question is -- why would > >different > >Linuxes (linuces? Linuses) want to use different devide names for the same > >hard disk? > > > >Has this weird naming happened to anyone else? > > > > > The only time I've seen that is when I had a hotrod card plugged in and > really had all those devices. My experience was with RHL and Debian. > Mandrake actually inserted a line in its lilo.conf telling it to rename the hard disk device! -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
which upgrade path from woody?
I'm about to upgrade my woody system to eather testing or unstable (probably unstable, because I gather that temporarily broken package dependencies don'e cause as much mass deletion and restoration of entire suites of packages there) Please correct me if I am wrong on any of these details. I plan to preserve my existing woody, because I use it for essential system management of my Windows ME system on the same machine. Given the number of times I have to restore the C: partition from backup it would be a disaster if I were to be unable to access the Linux system for any reason for even just a day (especially if it was the wrong day, anyway) I gather that the installation/upgrade situation has changes somewhat over the last half year. I've thought of the following approaches. WHich, if any, do you recommend? (1) Get a copy of the new installer, and use it to replace my Mandrake partition (which I haven't used in months, and isn't even on my boot menu) with a new installation of Debian. This would probably recogise all my devices correctly. Currently I am unable to access any of the 3D features of my ATI Raden 8500DV. The drivers I got from ATI just wouldn't work. I heard that the newsest XFree stuff has started to properly support the card, though. I also don't yet have sound installed. (2) Copy the entire Debain woody partition, replacing the Mandrake partition, adjusting .etc.fstab o the new partition so it points to itself, adding the copy as an additional entry to lilo.conf, making /home symlink to the existing /home on the old woody, booting into the new copy and doing a dist-upgrade. Presumably I'd still have to wrestle with sound and 3D-acceleration issues. I suspet dist-upgrade won't do this for me. (3) there's probably abother approach I can't think of, -- hendrik P.S. Other related questions: I heard a long time ago that the reiser file system couldn't handle some special files, such as Hene i've avoided using it for my root partition. the ones in /dev. Is this still a problem in sarge or testing? Is it a problem in woody? Are there any issues in sharing a reiser partition between woody and sargs? Are there version incompatibilities that will kill me if I' not careful? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which upgrade path from woody?
On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 08:01:45AM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 10:34:26PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > >I'm about to upgrade my woody system to eather testing or unstable > > >(probably unstable, because I gather that temporarily broken package > > >dependencies don'e cause as much mass deletion and restoration of > > >entire suites of packages there) Please correct me if I am wrong on > > >any of these details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use Sid, you _will_ have a broken system from time to time. > > On Sarge, I've merely had the occasional broken package. > > I have had the other experience. I've had less problems running Sid > than Testing. But that might just due to the (random) times I decided > to do my dist-upgrades. So it looks as if I should set up sarge in my spare partition,, and when it becomes stable in a few months, replace my woody with sid. This still leaves open which is the best way to go about it -- copy and upgrade, or new install. -- hendrik > > -- > Bill Moseley > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which upgrade path from woody?
On Tue, Jul 27, 2004 at 12:40:19AM +0200, Karl Hasselstr?m wrote: > On 2004-07-26 10:37:15 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > (2) Copy the entire Debain woody partition, replacing the Mandrake > > partition, adjusting .etc.fstab o the new partition so it points to > > itself, adding the copy as an additional entry to lilo.conf, making > > /home symlink to the existing /home on the old woody, > > I assume you mean mounting the existing home partition as /home. Actually, there's a partition shortage on my system ever since Mandrake refused to make more than about 13 partitions during installation. Most of these serve to give each of my users his own Windows partition so I don't get complaints like "Hey, Henk used all the disk space I freed yesterday." I don't know whether this limitation is real or a figment of Mandrake's imagination. So /home is on woody's / , and sarge will have to symlink to it. > > > I heard a long time ago that the reiser file system couldn't handle > > some special files, such as Hene i've avoided using it for my root > > partition. the ones in /dev. Is this still a problem in sarge or > > testing? Is it a problem in woody? > > I've run reiserfs on a few Debian boxes for a year or two now, and the > bogeymen haven't come for me yet, so I'd say it's not a problem. The other ancient bogeyman was booting. Any restrictions on having /boot be on a reiserfs? > > > Are there any issues in sharing a reiser partition between woody and > > sargs? Are there version incompatibilities that will kill me if I'm > > not careful? > > There shouldn't be. Filesystem tools tend to be very > backwards-compatible, and besides both woody and sid use reiserfs 3.6 > IIRC. Thanks. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Did that. Now no net. WAS: Re: which upgrade path from woody?
On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 11:44:20AM -0400, Alec Berryman wrote: > begin quotation of Hendrik Boom: > > > This still leaves open which is the best way to go about it -- copy and > > upgrade, or new install. > > New install. The new installer will recreate automatically most of > the config files you'd be moving, and you'll have a cleaner system to > start from. Tried that, now no net. Created a beta-4 iso for the debian net-installer, installed from that onto /dev/hda3. /dev/hda4 still contains my woodu system, which still works perfectly. But the new and very minimal sarge can't access the net. Pings don't seem to get as far as the ethernet card. Here's the routing table: Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 172.25.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 0.0.0.0 172.25.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 It's identical to the routing table on the woody system. Here's the output from ifconfig: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0A:E6:55:93:CD inet addr:172.25.1.4 Bcast:172.25.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:18 Base address:0xb400 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:657 (657.0 b) TX bytes:657 (657.0 b) It's the same as the one from woody, except that woody gives me nonzero packet counts. etho has interrupt: 18 instead of interrupt:5 Aren't these dynamically assigned during boot, though? Pinging to 172.25.1.4 and 127.0.0.1 work fine. Both of them are, of course, IP numbers for the machine doing the pinging, so it doesn't need to get to the ethernet card. What should I do to diagnose the problem. Did the installer, which seemed pretty straightforward, miss some essential component? I did the default (I presume nonexpert 2.4 kernel) installation. Did I do something unobviously wrong? Needless to say, I can't access any of the Debian archives to get any further. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Did that. Now no net.
On Tue, Jul 27, 2004 at 11:17:13AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 11:44:20AM -0400, Alec Berryman wrote: > > begin quotation of Hendrik Boom: > > > > > This still leaves open which is the best way to go about it -- copy and > > > upgrade, or new install. > > > > New install. The new installer will recreate automatically most of > > the config files you'd be moving, and you'll have a cleaner system to > > start from. > > Tried that, now no net. > > Created a beta-4 iso for the debian net-installer, installed from that > onto /dev/hda3. /dev/hda4 still contains my woodu system, which still works > perfectly. > > But the new and very minimal sarge can't access the net. Pings don't seem > to get as far as the ethernet card. > > Here's the routing table: > > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface > 172.25.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 > 0.0.0.0 172.25.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 > > It's identical to the routing table on the woody system. > > Here's the output from ifconfig: > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0A:E6:55:93:CD > inet addr:172.25.1.4 Bcast:172.25.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > Interrupt:18 Base address:0xb400 > > loLink encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > RX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:657 (657.0 b) TX bytes:657 (657.0 b) > > > It's the same as the one from woody, except that > woody gives me nonzero packet counts. > etho has interrupt: 18 instead of interrupt:5 Aren't these > dynamically assigned during boot, though? > > Pinging to 172.25.1.4 and 127.0.0.1 work fine. Both of them are, > of course, IP numbers for the machine doing the pinging, so it doesn't > need to get to the ethernet card. > > What should I do to diagnose the problem. > > Did the installer, which seemed pretty straightforward, miss some > essential component? I did the default (I presume nonexpert 2.4 kernel) > installation. Did I do something unobviously wrong? > Needless to say, I can't access any of the Debian archives > to get any further. I might add that my /etc/resolv.conf file contained no nameserver IP numbers. I had to hand-edit them in. Not that they would have been useful without net access. But this might indicate something about which installation step failed or was inadvertently skipped. Thanks for including nano in the base install -- I can never remember how to use vi. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ethernet not working in sarge. Have I done enough?
I've been trying to net-install sarge using the new installer. The install worked, in the sense that I now have useless but otherwise working sarge system. The trouble is that is seems to be unable to communicate with my ethernet card, a Realtek RTL-8139, for which it has installed the 8139too module. I get the messages, repeated many many times: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 ifconfig, route, etc., all tell me things are just fine, just like on the working woody system. I used diff on their outputs to confirm that they really don't have significant differences. The interrupt address of the realtek card differed, but isn't that allocated dynamically by plug&play anyway? It shouldn't be a hardware problem, because everything still works under the woody system I still have in another partition on the same machine. (a) Does anyone have an idea know what else needs to be done to get it to work? (b) I sent extensive installation reports about these failed installs -- bug#261745 for beta 4, and bug#262070 for daily build 20040727. Is that enough? Or are these just accumulated statistically and do I need to lodge some other kind of report somewhere? I do find it hard to imagine anyone reading all these installation reports and still having time to get any real debugging done! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
exim? imap?
I'm running a debian woody server, using exim (I believe -- actually, I have whatever Debian installs as default, which I believe is exim), and I have peen persuaded that I should change over to imap. I'm trying to get some kind of orientation on the whole process. Do I have to convet to maildir format? What happend to existing messages in mbox format? What software do I need to get? Which do you recommend? My clients will be on several other machines (and will no longer have to ssh to the server to read mail -- that's the whole point). What client software should they have on Linux? on Windows? on computers likely to be found in public libraries run by idiots? Or, more simply (perhaps) is there a guide somewhere that provides an overview to all this. Googling is providing me with a lot of documentation on various fragments of this process, but it's hard putting it all together -- especially figuring out when there are alternatives, which ones actually work smoothly. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cups thinks it prints, but the printer does not notice
I' running a woody system, with nothing non-woody on it as far as I know. When I print a file, such as the test page from the CUPS web-administration interface, it queues it for printing, and after an implausibly short time it reports it as printed. But nothing happens on the printer at all. It's an Epson Stylus 777i, connected via the parallel port. It works fine under Windows ME. Except that I have to reboot to Windows to print anything of course. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: trouble installing kde
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 08:12:53PM +0200, J. Preiss wrote: > > Try something other than KDE to get started. > > > > "apt-get install icewm" > > then create/edit ~/.xinitrc and put the single line "icewm" in and then > > "startx". > > > > If that doesn't work, the problem is with X, not KDE. I'm running the gnome desktop manager, and trying to start icewm as my window manager. I installed icewm, but it doesn't show up on my gdm menu. Making the .xinitrc file specified above didn't seem to help either. oes gdm's menu bypass it? Is there some other way? I'm running a Debian woody wywtem. -- hendrik > > > > If that does work, then try installing KDE; "apt-get install kde". > The problem is kde (-package), that seams to be a fact. My situation: I have > kdm as only display manager, it is started by the init scripts and it says > ok. But it does not start anything. When I call it once again, I get the > login manager, but can't login. When I call startx, kde starts like it > should. But if I close it and start it again, the system (kde and/or x) > hangs. I have to reboot to start X again. > > Until now I tried the testing and the unstable tree. (I saw this behaviour of > kde now at least 3 times in the list, seams critical to me). > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debain+Fedora+Mandrake+Suse
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 07:58:58AM +, Simon L wrote: > Sylvain Vedrenne wrote: > > >Sylvain Vedrenne wrote: > > > >>Vijaya S wrote: > >> > >>>Hi all, > >>>Can we have Debain , Fedora, Mandrake and Suse on one machine..? > >>> > >>>Any suggestions atleast some combo of them.. > >>> > >>> > >>>Regards, > >>>Vijaya > >> > >> > >>Hello, > >> > >>Yes you can have Debian and other distributions on the same computer. > >> > >>You need to have several partitions on 1, 2 or more disks... > >>And you can share a single swap partition with all the distributions > >>you'll be using on your machine. > >> > >>Cheers, > >>Sylvain. > > > > > >Hello list, > > > >I'm assuming this is possible using LILO as boot loader. > >Am I correct? > > > >Sylvain. > > > > > > > Yes Lilo or grub as you wish > When I had Mandrake and Debian on one machine, the Mandrake treated my hard disk as /dev/hda5, whereas Debian treated it as /dev/hda1. There was some line in the lilo conf to rename the drive. I have no idea how to get a lilo that renames it only for one OS, or why on earth Mandrake wanted to renumber the drives. This may pose a difficulty for those (like me) that have the same problem. But becasue Mandrake had so many security/firewall barriers that I was unable to use it, I made a boot diskette for Mandrake in case of emergency, and let Lilo just boot Debian. -- hendrik > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Random loss of domain name resolution!
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:36:37PM -0500, Raiz-mpx wrote: > Dear: Fellow Gnu/Linux Debian users. > > I am at a loss as to solve this problem, other than to reinstall > Debian Sarge. I am using a cable connection, with DHCP enabled > getting a permannet IP address from my hardware Zyxel ZyWall router, > which allows me to set IPs according to MAC addresses. I am using > my cable companies DNS servers, other settings. As far as Debian is > concerned its DHCP but always gets the same IP address by the > router. > > When I surf the internet, sometimes after about a minute of trying to > load a webpage it times out on me with a DNS resolve error. Then if > I immediately try to ping the webpage, it does not print anything to > the screen. It just sits their like its waiting for input. I have > to ctrl C to stop it. If I use traceroute on the web page, or any > web page it does the same thing. > > When I switch to a different machine, I am able to get to the webpage > in question, and everything works. I am able to ping the webpage, Does the different machine use the same name-server from the same ISP? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ccing
On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 01:46:10AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > s. keeling wrote: > > I use a GUI almost all the time; X Window. And yes, I do have > > multiple XTerms on it. That's still a lot lighter than some of the > > multi-megabyte MUAs we're seeing these days. Consider the cost of > > that one feature you're hoping to satisfy that you think mutt can't > > provide. Is that _really_ worth the cost in RAM, disk, and your time? > > If so, by all means, fire away. > > Hmmm, let's take this argument and run with it, shall we? > > Cost of a stick of 512Mb PC2700 RAM (what I us in my gaming rig)... about > $100. A little pricier if you have to replace your entire machine to gat over the 48Meg limit because they don't make mamory that old any more. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
