date:20120214

On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:52:25 +0100, Claudius Hubig wrote:

> Camaleón  wrote:
>>Hello,
>>
>>Today I have run a dist-upgrade and tracker wanted to get installed.
>>
>>I didn't have it installed since I'm running wheezy.
>>
>>Why this hard dependency? Is tracker now a requirement for those who
>>want a full GNOME desktop? :-?
>>
>>P.S. "gnome" requires "gnome-documents" and "gnome-documents" requires
>>"tracker".
> 
> Package: gnome
> […]
> Depends: gnome-core (= 1:3.0+7), desktop-base, alacarte (>= 0.13.2),

(...)

> Given this enormous amount of dependencies, I really don’t think you can
> complain about tracker. 

More than a complaint, I'd like to know why there exists such as 
requirement "now". It was not just a few weeks ago.

> Additionally, gnome is just a meta package, so you can safely choose to
> ignore it.

I have installed "gnome" (the metapackage). I want to install 
"gnome" (the metapackage), but tracker was not a requirement to have the 
full GNOME desktop. Until now. There are another desktop search/indexers 
solutions out there and GNOME did not force us to stick to one of them.

> I have to agree, though, that gnome-documents and, more importantly,
> nautilus[1] depending upon tracker might be unfortunate, 

Yes, it is. That's why I added my comments at the open bug.

> but then again: Use something else if you don’t like tracker. To ease
> things further, I bet that there is a way not to start tracker once it
> is installed.

I know how to configure tracker. I use it in my main workstation, it's 
really useful, but it makes no sense to have it installed on the netbook 
and I tend to avoid installing applications that I don't use, they waste 
hard disk space, are prone to bugs, need to be updated...

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Re: Amaya

On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:24:22 -0500, Ethan Rosenberg wrote:

> How do I install Amaya in Debian.

You have a .deb at their site:

http://www.w3.org/Amaya/User/BinDist

But have you considered in using another html editor? :-)

Maybe Kompozer, Bluefish or QuantaPlus... all of them available for Linux.

You have a nice comparison table at Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_HTML_editors

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Re: free software mini pc

2012-02-14 Thread green

Alex Hutton wrote at 2012-02-14 06:26 -0600:
> There was an interesting article about the Trim Slice posted a few
> days ago, I don't know if you saw it:
> http://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2012-02-12-21-43_playing_with_the_trim_slice.html

Thanks, I had not seen that yet.  Reading that certainly suggests that the 
Trim-Slice is not ready for a production desktop system yet!

with custom kernel, assuming that blog is correct:
- slow transfers and frequent bus resets
- power saving not fully implemented
- DVI port trouble at high resolutions
- unstable wireless driver

> To repeat Christofer's question though, what's the problem with a
> non-standard kernel? I get the feeling that these ARM computers that
> are coming out are going to be reliant on customised kernels for some
> time. If the customisation of the kernel can be managed in a
> standardised way, then it shouldn't be a problem.

I am *not* looking for disposable hardware.  I am *not* interested in 
purchasing a maintenance burden.  I need *rock-solid* *long-term* Linux 
reliability on *rock-solid* hardware.  Will Compulabs continue to provide 
updated custom kernels a year or more from now?  I doubt it, considering that 
the custom kernel they provide for their product now does not work (strictly 
speaking).

Frankly, I am surprised that comments here suggest apathy and even hostility 
toward (that is, questioning the value of) a search for a strictly "free 
software" device, especially considering Debian's social contract and the 
purpose of reducing maintenance requirements.  Do you or others here enjoy 
purchasing a system on which Linux does not work correctly until months 
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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:52:25 +0100, Claudius Hubig wrote:
>>
>> Given this enormous amount of dependencies, I really don’t think you can
>> complain about tracker.
>
> More than a complaint, I'd like to know why there exists such as
> requirement "now". It was not just a few weeks ago.

This requirement comes from upstream. It landed in Fedora's
development release in August or September last year and there was a
thread on the "test" list about hogging resources and overheating
processors. The solution that someone proposed was to disable Tracker
through "gnome-session-properties". That same thread had a link to
another thread where developers were discussing possible changes to
make Tracker less hungry. So Fedora was following upstream and now
Debian is too. Good luck convincing upstream to change anything...

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:55:28 -0500, Tom H wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:52:25 +0100, Claudius Hubig wrote:
>>>
>>> Given this enormous amount of dependencies, I really don’t think you
>>> can complain about tracker.
>>
>> More than a complaint, I'd like to know why there exists such as
>> requirement "now". It was not just a few weeks ago.
> 
> This requirement comes from upstream. 

(...)

Any document to support that statement?

It will be indeed very sad to see that requirement coming from GNOME ;-(

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

2012-02-14 Thread Michael Biebl

On 14.02.2012 17:04, Camaleón wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:55:28 -0500, Tom H wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:52:25 +0100, Claudius Hubig wrote:

 Given this enormous amount of dependencies, I really don’t think you
 can complain about tracker.
>>>
>>> More than a complaint, I'd like to know why there exists such as
>>> requirement "now". It was not just a few weeks ago.
>>
>> This requirement comes from upstream. 
> 
> (...)
> 
> Any document to support that statement?

Tom is right.
gnome-documents is in the official set of apps for GNOME 3.2 [1] and the
gnome meta package is just following upstream here.

That said, it's a meta package. If you don't like it, don't use it.

Michael

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using a bluetooth headset

2012-02-14 Thread Pierre Frenkiel


hi
I'm  trying to use a bluetooth headset, and curiously, it works only
for Skype(at least for the speaker, not for the microphone),
and not for any other program.
According what I found in a forum. I put in .asoundrc.asoundconf

   pcm.bluetooth {
   type plug
   slave {
   pcm "bluetooth_hw"
   }
   }

   pcm.bluetooth_hw {
 type bluetooth
 device 00:0C:55:57:AC:23
 profile "auto"
   }

but alsa still sends the sound to my PC speakers.
I checked that Alsa actually uses this .asoundrc.asoundconf file, as it works
for my other sound device (a wireless speaker)

How come that Skype is the only program which sees all my sound devices?

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:55:28 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:52:25 +0100, Claudius Hubig wrote:

 Given this enormous amount of dependencies, I really don’t think you
 can complain about tracker.
>>>
>>> More than a complaint, I'd like to know why there exists such as
>>> requirement "now". It was not just a few weeks ago.
>>
>> This requirement comes from upstream.
>
> (...)
>
> Any document to support that statement?
>
> It will be indeed very sad to see that requirement coming from GNOME ;-(

What I said (including what you snipped) is just from memory. I don't
care enough about this to google it... I was just trying to explain
from where it was coming.


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Re: Suggestions regarding a PCI-X card.

On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:26:33 -0800, Dan Serban wrote:

(...)

> Am I reading the above wrong?  Under capabilities is says Status as
> well, but earlier it's simply status.  So I'm wondering if the bus is at
> 66MHz and the card is somehow at 133?  I don't fully understand the
> output.

(...)

Mmm, I don't know how reliable it can be that information :-?

("+" means the flag is enabled and "-" means it is disabled)

Regardless lspci output, I would ensure the BIOS POST data displays the 
right bus frequency for that specific PCI-X slot (remember that some 
motherboards allow to configure the frequency to lower values for PCI 
cards -usually "auto/PCI33/66/PCI-X/66/100/133MHz").

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Sticky bit on device files?

2012-02-14 Thread Peter Lebbing

Hello all,

Since some time I get the message
> swapon: [...]: insecure permissions 1660, 0660 suggested.

[1] is related to this. I'm not worried, but there are two things I wonder:

1) Foremost, what does the sticky bit on character or block device files even
_mean_? I'm guessing it's meaningless, but I wonder. My Google fu comes up
empty.  It's a big cover up?  ;P

2) How come the sticky bit is set for a whole bunch of character and block
devices? Grepping through udev rules didn't shed light on it. I didn't feel like
reading all rules manually, hoping somebody already knows.

Here you can see a few of all those device files on my (Wheezy) box:

root@tweek:/dev# find -perm -1000 -printf '%P %y\n'|sort -n
adsp c
audio c
autofs c
btrfs-control c
bus/usb/001/001 c
[...]
bus/usb/008/001 c
cpu/microcode c
dm-0 b
[...]
dm-9 b
dsp c
fd0 b
fuse c
loop0 b
[...]
loop7 b
loop-control c
lp0 c
mapper/control c
mem c
mixer c
net/tun c
parport0 c
port c
ppp c
sda1 b
[...]
sdf b
snd/controlC0 c
[...]
snd/timer c
sr0 b
ttyS0 c
[...]
ttyS3 c
uinput c

Greets,

Peter.

PS: CC: to me is welcome.

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:55:28 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:52:25 +0100, Claudius Hubig wrote:

 Given this enormous amount of dependencies, I really don’t think you
 can complain about tracker.
>>>
>>> More than a complaint, I'd like to know why there exists such as
>>> requirement "now". It was not just a few weeks ago.
>>
>> This requirement comes from upstream.
>
> (...)
>
> Any document to support that statement?
>
> It will be indeed very sad to see that requirement coming from GNOME ;-(

One more thought. The Tracker requirement's what I call the
Google/Apple effect. Apple's had a file indexer by default since
pre-OS X (although I'm not sure that file contents were indexed pre-OS
X) and Google's made people rely on search in weird ways.

I've now seen five people (and even though it's not a large number of
people, I have to assume that this behavior must be somewhat
widespread given that they're otherwise very different) who when they
want to go to Gmail, Facebook, Hotmail, Bloomberg, Hufffington Post,
etc, click in the Google toolbar search box and type one of these
website's names. Using search is their default MO, not creating a
bookmark and using it. GNOME's giving users a tool to do so by default
on the desktop.

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:07:34 +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:

> On 14.02.2012 17:04, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:55:28 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
 On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:52:25 +0100, Claudius Hubig wrote:
>
> Given this enormous amount of dependencies, I really don’t think you
> can complain about tracker.

 More than a complaint, I'd like to know why there exists such as
 requirement "now". It was not just a few weeks ago.
>>>
>>> This requirement comes from upstream.
>> 
>> (...)
>> 
>> Any document to support that statement?
> 
> Tom is right.
> gnome-documents is in the official set of apps for GNOME 3.2 [1] and the
> gnome meta package is just following upstream here.

I don't have all that packages installed in wheezy.
 
> That said, it's a meta package. If you don't like it, don't use it.

I wish it were that simple. The metapackage has changed its requirements, 
now it can't be removed so easily.

> Michael
> 
> [1] http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/apps/3.2/3.2.2/sources/

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:22:21 -0500, Tom H wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:55:28 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
 On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:52:25 +0100, Claudius Hubig wrote:
>
> Given this enormous amount of dependencies, I really don’t think you
> can complain about tracker.

 More than a complaint, I'd like to know why there exists such as
 requirement "now". It was not just a few weeks ago.
>>>
>>> This requirement comes from upstream.
>>
>> (...)
>>
>> Any document to support that statement?
>>
>> It will be indeed very sad to see that requirement coming from GNOME
>> ;-(
> 
> What I said (including what you snipped) is just from memory. 

The cutted text was not related to the subject of the thread so I removed 
it.

> I don't care enough about this to google it... I was just trying to
> explain from where it was coming.

And from where it comes from?

I know what tracker does and how it works, this is not the main issue but 
tracker as a hard requirement to have a full GNOME desktop. This is new.

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OT? - Debian on eeePC? boot fails

2012-02-14 Thread Kent West


Asus eeepc

A friend brought it to me to see if I could update Firefox & Flash.

I started by using the built-in software update tool, but that didn't 
give me much joy. I finally figured out how to get into a terminal 
window, and I did an aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade. Had some 
failures; apparently Asus doesn't keep their repositories up-to-date 
with themselves.


After a reboot, it tries to start the gui (looks like the mouse cursor 
for a non-window-managed X, and occasionally the gray background of 
same), but then it drops back to a black screen, and cycles this way 
infinitely. Sometimes I can see a message at the top of the screen that 
says:


udevd[909]: add_to_rules: unknown key 'PRODUCT', in 'ACTION'

(at least, that's what I think it says; it only flashes on for a 
half-second at a time)


By googling for the past day, I've figured out how to get into a busybox 
terminal (by adding XANDROSBOOTDEBUG=y to the end of the kernel line by 
editing the grub prompt), but that doesn't give me much.


Googling more allowed me to get a bit farther by mounting sda1 and sda2 
on mnt-system and mnt-user respectively.


I've tried getting into various run-levels by adding 1 or 3, etc, to the 
end of the kernel line; I've tried running things like "init 1", but it 
says init is not found; I've tried putting an "exit 0" line early on in 
the rc2.d/S99kdm script.


But none of this stuff works; I don't know if the eeepc is using some 
customized version of Debian causing it to bypass all my efforts, or if 
the udev error is getting in the way (I know almost nothing about udev 
stuff).


If anyone knows enough about udev stuff to get me fixed, or if anyone 
knows specifics about the Debian on eeepc's that would get me farther 
along, I'd appreciate it.


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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Michael Biebl  wrote:
> On 14.02.2012 17:04, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:55:28 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
 On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:52:25 +0100, Claudius Hubig wrote:
>
> Given this enormous amount of dependencies, I really don’t think you
> can complain about tracker.

 More than a complaint, I'd like to know why there exists such as
 requirement "now". It was not just a few weeks ago.
>>>
>>> This requirement comes from upstream.
>>
>> (...)
>>
>> Any document to support that statement?
>
> Tom is right.
> gnome-documents is in the official set of apps for GNOME 3.2 [1] and the
> gnome meta package is just following upstream here.
>
> That said, it's a meta package. If you don't like it, don't use it.
>
> [1] http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/apps/3.2/3.2.2/sources/

This link was useful, thanks. I think the following's what Camaleon's
looking for:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-documents/0.1/gnome-documents-0.1.92.news
has "Require Tracker 0.12.1".


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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:41:59 -0500, Tom H wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:55:28 -0500, Tom H wrote:

>>> This requirement comes from upstream.
>>
>> (...)
>>
>> Any document to support that statement?
>>
>> It will be indeed very sad to see that requirement coming from GNOME
>> ;-(
> 
> One more thought. The Tracker requirement's what I call the Google/Apple
> effect. Apple's had a file indexer by default since pre-OS X (although
> I'm not sure that file contents were indexed pre-OS X) and Google's made
> people rely on search in weird ways.

(...)

I understand (and even agree) with that strategy, regardless GNOME is 
following it or not. But I would like the user can choose their search/
indexer application rather than having to stick to one to avoid messing a 
GNOME install. That's a bit... how to say? Unfair?

> I've now seen five people (and even though it's not a large number of
> people, I have to assume that this behavior must be somewhat widespread
> given that they're otherwise very different) who when they want to go to
> Gmail, Facebook, Hotmail, Bloomberg, Hufffington Post, etc, click in the
> Google toolbar search box and type one of these website's names. Using
> search is their default MO, not creating a bookmark and using it.
> GNOME's giving users a tool to do so by default on the desktop.

Which I find is a good approach, but choosing/selecting "that tool" needs 
to be an easy step and fully customizable.

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:01:34 -0500, Tom H wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Michael Biebl 
> wrote:

(...)

>> [1] http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/apps/3.2/3.2.2/sources/
> 
> This link was useful, thanks. I think the following's what Camaleon's
> looking for:
> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-documents/0.1/gnome-documents-0.1.92.news
> has "Require Tracker 0.12.1".

Nope :-)

I'm not speaking about "gnome-documents" but "gnome". I have "gnome" and 
I don't have installed many of the listed applications. 

What makes this package different (and a requirement) is what I'd like to 
know.

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Re: free software mini pc

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM, green  wrote:
>
> I am *not* looking for disposable hardware.  I am *not* interested in
> purchasing a maintenance burden.  I need *rock-solid* *long-term* Linux
> reliability on *rock-solid* hardware.  Will Compulabs continue to provide
> updated custom kernels a year or more from now?  I doubt it, considering that
> the custom kernel they provide for their product now does not work (strictly
> speaking).
>
> Frankly, I am surprised that comments here suggest apathy and even hostility
> toward (that is, questioning the value of) a search for a strictly "free
> software" device, especially considering Debian's social contract and the
> purpose of reducing maintenance requirements.  Do you or others here enjoy
> purchasing a system on which Linux does not work correctly until months
> later, if ever?

:)

The perceived hostility is an artifact of your own aggressivity;
basically "I want this", "I don't want that", "I refuse to compromise
on this".

If the DFSG or an equivalent philosophy gets in the way of my
installing Linux and using it easily, I ignore the DFSG.

I also reject your premise (as I've understood it) that the packages
in main are more stable than the packages in the non-main repos - and
I'm sure that the developers who maintain the latter packages would
prefer that you be more respectful of their work.

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

2012-02-14 Thread Michael Biebl

On 14.02.2012 18:13, Camaleón wrote:

> I'm not speaking about "gnome-documents" but "gnome". I have "gnome" and 
> I don't have installed many of the listed applications. 
> 
> What makes this package different (and a requirement) is what I'd like to 
> know.

Seriously, what is so hard to understand.

The gnome-related metapackages in Debian are modelled after what
upstream uses in their core [1] and apps [2] set of libraries and
applications.

Simple as that.

That gnome-documents uses tracker is an implementation detail.

Michael

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:01:34 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Michael Biebl 
>> wrote:
>
> (...)
>
>>> [1] http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/apps/3.2/3.2.2/sources/
>>
>> This link was useful, thanks. I think the following's what Camaleon's
>> looking for:
>> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-documents/0.1/gnome-documents-0.1.92.news
>> has "Require Tracker 0.12.1".
>
> Nope :-)
>
> I'm not speaking about "gnome-documents" but "gnome". I have "gnome" and
> I don't have installed many of the listed applications.
>
> What makes this package different (and a requirement) is what I'd like to
> know.

It doesn't take much to check that GNOME pulls in GNOME Documents!


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Re: how are html pages printed?

El 2012-02-13 a las 15:01 -0600, Mark Copper escribió:

(Mark, remember to reply to the list, not just me ;-) )

> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Camaleón  wrote:

(...)

> > I would try to add a new printer instance (keep the one you already
> > have, just add a new one) for the printer but using a PCL6 file instead
> > ("pxlmono") and try to print the same page with it, just to compare both
> > outputs.
> 
> This sounds like a reasonable approach.  I'll give it a look.
> 
> Just to put out as much info as I can.  This problem also occurs with
> Fedex shipping labels which do not involve explicit pop-up windows
> (but a lot of javascript).

I think the pop-up window is not relevant for the problem but the 
generated image/code by the courier web services. They can contain some 
data your printer driver cannot handle and thus outputs the error.
 
> Also it is worth remembering there is *not* a problem printing to the
> same printer from either squeeze on AMD or wheezy on i386 machines, I
> beleive.

You mean the 32-bits wheezy install can print that pages without 
troubleshoot, using the same PPD file? It could be then a problem with 
the 64-bits CUPS packages... anyway, I would try first with "pxlmono" 
and see how it goes.

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Re: Sound problems

2012-02-14 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich

> 
>   What other info does someone need to help me, or where can I go to get
> help info?

Hi Emil, try this:

The new kernel module added two new regulators "speakers" and "headphones", 
and they are both set to "0" by default!

Additionally kmix and some other GUI might not show them as well as alsamixer, 
but just start "alsamixer -c0" and all sliders appear. Now you can set them as 
you want, and now you can hear sound playing again.

Maybe you got the same problem?

Good luck!

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

2012-02-14 Thread Frank McCormick


On 14/02/12 11:50 AM, Camaleón wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:07:34 +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:


On 14.02.2012 17:04, Camaleón wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:55:28 -0500, Tom H wrote:


On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Camaleón  wrote:

On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:52:25 +0100, Claudius Hubig wrote:


Given this enormous amount of dependencies, I really don’t think you
can complain about tracker.


More than a complaint, I'd like to know why there exists such as
requirement "now". It was not just a few weeks ago.


This requirement comes from upstream.


(...)

Any document to support that statement?


Tom is right.
gnome-documents is in the official set of apps for GNOME 3.2 [1] and the
gnome meta package is just following upstream here.


I don't have all that packages installed in wheezy.


That said, it's a meta package. If you don't like it, don't use it.


I wish it were that simple. The metapackage has changed its requirements,
now it can't be removed so easily.


  I don't understand..I purged gnome and gnome-core and now can freely 
remove what I want. Not even sure why I keep Gnome aroundI normally 
run Openbox or Fluxbox.





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Solved - no sound with kernel 3.2.4

2012-02-14 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich

Hello list,

maybe this might interest you. After updating to kernel 3.2 I got no sound. I 
could see, that it was playing, but did not hear anything. As I read of others 
with the same problem, here is the solution:

The new kernel module added two new regulators "speakers" and "headphones", 
and they are both set to "0" by default!

Additionally kmix and some other GUI might not show them as well as alsamixer, 
but just start "alsamixer -c0" and all sliders appear. Now you can set them as 
you want, and now you can hear sound playing again.

I hope, this hint might help some others. 

A great "thank you!" in this matter to Jonathan Nieder and Takashi Iwai, ho 
helped me, to find the solution!

Happy hacking and best regards

Hans-J. Ullrich








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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:41:59 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Camaleón  wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:55:28 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>
 This requirement comes from upstream.
>>>
>>> (...)
>>>
>>> Any document to support that statement?
>>>
>>> It will be indeed very sad to see that requirement coming from GNOME
>>> ;-(
>>
>> One more thought. The Tracker requirement's what I call the Google/Apple
>> effect. Apple's had a file indexer by default since pre-OS X (although
>> I'm not sure that file contents were indexed pre-OS X) and Google's made
>> people rely on search in weird ways.
>
> (...)
>
> I understand (and even agree) with that strategy, regardless GNOME is
> following it or not. But I would like the user can choose their search/
> indexer application rather than having to stick to one to avoid messing a
> GNOME install. That's a bit... how to say? Unfair?
>
>> I've now seen five people (and even though it's not a large number of
>> people, I have to assume that this behavior must be somewhat widespread
>> given that they're otherwise very different) who when they want to go to
>> Gmail, Facebook, Hotmail, Bloomberg, Hufffington Post, etc, click in the
>> Google toolbar search box and type one of these website's names. Using
>> search is their default MO, not creating a bookmark and using it.
>> GNOME's giving users a tool to do so by default on the desktop.
>
> Which I find is a good approach, but choosing/selecting "that tool" needs
> to be an easy step and fully customizable.

(For the record, I'm not a big fan of GNOME Shell so I'm not defending
GNOME because it's my "religion"! I _REALLY_ dislike the fact that I
have to install an extension or find the right gconf/dconf setting to
customize the desktop, if I can customize it the way that I want...)

Have you tried installing another file indexer? Does it have a
"Conflicts" with Tracker and uninstalls it? Does it disable Tracker?

Perhaps Debian's GNOME maintainers could change the dependency to a
"file indexer" and have users choose the indexer that strikes their
fancy (I'm assuming that there are many but I only know of Beagle -
does Google Desktop Search have a Linux version?). Someone could
submit such an RFE but I wouldn't expect the maintainers to go for it
(it's my opinion not a certainty!).

They'd have to weigh giving Debian users more choice with what that
choice entails. They might not want to deviate from upstream
(especially since they wouldn't know what this deviation might
actually generate in future GNOME versions in time and effort
maintaining it). They also might not want to have many people switch
away from a tool that's properly integrated into and tested with
GNOME/GNOME Shell; over and above the fact that people invariably want
to push their own products over those of others (understandably!).

GNOME wants to provide a certain default experience when someone uses
GNOME and that includes a file indexer. If someone doesn't like this
or that feature and it's not easily uninstallable, there's probably  a
way of disabling it - and moving on.

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:23:03 +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:

> On 14.02.2012 18:13, Camaleón wrote:
> 
>> I'm not speaking about "gnome-documents" but "gnome". I have "gnome"
>> and I don't have installed many of the listed applications.
>> 
>> What makes this package different (and a requirement) is what I'd like
>> to know.
> 
> Seriously, what is so hard to understand.

Nothing, it's easy peasy. Now "gnome-core" seems to be the right option 
for new GNOME installs because "gnome" metapackage is getting over 
bloated and is adding new packages on-the-fly. Sigh.

> The gnome-related metapackages in Debian are modelled after what
> upstream uses in their core [1] and apps [2] set of libraries and
> applications.
> 
> Simple as that.

Not that simple. The metapackage requirements have changed and now users 
have to cope with that or install an application they don't wanted nor 
asked for.

> That gnome-documents uses tracker is an implementation detail.

Of course. I don't see any problem with gnome-documents itself. It's just 
that I didn't have installed that application and want to keep it so.

> Michael
> 
> [1] http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/core/3.2/ 
> [2] http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/apps/3.2/

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Re: free software mini pc

2012-02-14 Thread green

Tom H wrote at 2012-02-14 11:18 -0600:
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM, green  wrote:
> > Frankly, I am surprised that comments here suggest apathy and even hostility
> > toward (that is, questioning the value of) a search for a strictly "free
> > software" device, especially considering Debian's social contract and the
> > purpose of reducing maintenance requirements.  Do you or others here enjoy
> > purchasing a system on which Linux does not work correctly until months
> > later, if ever?
> 
> :)
> 
> The perceived hostility is an artifact of your own aggressivity;
> basically "I want this", "I don't want that", "I refuse to compromise
> on this".

Probably my refusal to compromise is from past experiences with troublesome 
hardware on systems that needed to work ASAP.  And a significant portion of 
those was related to non-free, out-of-tree kernel modules.

> I also reject your premise (as I've understood it) that the packages
> in main are more stable than the packages in the non-main repos - and
> I'm sure that the developers who maintain the latter packages would
> prefer that you be more respectful of their work.

Hey, sorry.  I am just trying to express the reason for my feelings, not 
trying to bash anything.


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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

2012-02-14 Thread Frank McCormick


On 14/02/12 11:50 AM, Camaleón wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:07:34 +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:


On 14.02.2012 17:04, Camaleón wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:55:28 -0500, Tom H wrote:


On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Camaleón  wrote:

On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:52:25 +0100, Claudius Hubig wrote:


Given this enormous amount of dependencies, I really don’t think you
can complain about tracker.


More than a complaint, I'd like to know why there exists such as
requirement "now". It was not just a few weeks ago.


This requirement comes from upstream.


(...)

Any document to support that statement?


Tom is right.
gnome-documents is in the official set of apps for GNOME 3.2 [1] and the
gnome meta package is just following upstream here.


I don't have all that packages installed in wheezy.


That said, it's a meta package. If you don't like it, don't use it.


I wish it were that simple. The metapackage has changed its requirements,
now it can't be removed so easily.


  I don't understand..I purged gnome and gnome-core and now can freely 
remove what I want. Not even sure why I keep Gnome aroundI normally 
run Openbox or Fluxbox.





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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:24:44 -0500, Tom H wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Camaleón  wrote:

(...)

>> What makes this package different (and a requirement) is what I'd like
>> to know.
> 
> It doesn't take much to check that GNOME pulls in GNOME Documents!

Oh, really? 

Look at the subject and then review my first post ;-)

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Re: how are html pages printed?

2012-02-14 Thread Dom


On 14/02/12 17:26, Camaleón wrote:

El 2012-02-13 a las 15:01 -0600, Mark Copper escribió:

(Mark, remember to reply to the list, not just me ;-) )


On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Camaleón  wrote:


(...)


I would try to add a new printer instance (keep the one you already
have, just add a new one) for the printer but using a PCL6 file instead
("pxlmono") and try to print the same page with it, just to compare both
outputs.


This sounds like a reasonable approach.  I'll give it a look.

Just to put out as much info as I can.  This problem also occurs with
Fedex shipping labels which do not involve explicit pop-up windows
(but a lot of javascript).


I think the pop-up window is not relevant for the problem but the
generated image/code by the courier web services. They can contain some
data your printer driver cannot handle and thus outputs the error.


Also it is worth remembering there is *not* a problem printing to the
same printer from either squeeze on AMD or wheezy on i386 machines, I
beleive.


You mean the 32-bits wheezy install can print that pages without
troubleshoot, using the same PPD file? It could be then a problem with
the 64-bits CUPS packages... anyway, I would try first with "pxlmono"
and see how it goes.


I don't know that it's a problem with the 64-bit Wheezy. I have the same 
model printer and have been puzzling for a while why sometimes web pages 
print that error message, and others work fine on my 32-bit Wheezy setup.


However I hadn't got any further into my investigation, as I printed 
them successfully on my other printer (Epson inkjet) instead.


Now I will take more notice of which pages fail and examine the html and 
the generated postscript files.


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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

2012-02-14 Thread Michael Biebl

On 14.02.2012 18:49, Tom H wrote:
> Perhaps Debian's GNOME maintainers could change the dependency to a
> "file indexer" and have users choose the indexer that strikes their
> fancy (I'm assuming that there are many but I only know of Beagle -
> does Google Desktop Search have a Linux version?). Someone could
> submit such an RFE but I wouldn't expect the maintainers to go for it
> (it's my opinion not a certainty!).

If such an alternate file indexer and metadata db provides the same
functionality as tracker and the same (D-Bus) interfaces, this would be
possible.
There is none though. gnome-documents relies on the functionality of
tracker, so there is no option really.

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

2012-02-14 Thread Jon Dowland

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 05:51:57PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> Nothing, it's easy peasy. Now "gnome-core" seems to be the right option 
> for new GNOME installs because "gnome" metapackage is getting over 
> bloated and is adding new packages on-the-fly. Sigh.

No, because "GNOME" is what the GNOME maintainers say it is: and they're
now saying it includes tracker.

What you mean is, gnome-core is a better choice *for you* because you don't
want the GNOME desktop, you want a subset of it.

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(Solved) Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:45:53 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote:

> On 14/02/12 11:50 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:07:34 +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:

(...)

>>> That said, it's a meta package. If you don't like it, don't use it.
>>
>> I wish it were that simple. The metapackage has changed its
>> requirements, now it can't be removed so easily.
> 
>I don't understand..I purged gnome and gnome-core and now can freely
> remove what I want. Not even sure why I keep Gnome aroundI normally
> run Openbox or Fluxbox.

Well, yes.

I finally purged "gnome" which also removed "gnome-desktop-environment" 
and now I can have a "tracker-free" GNOME system with no apparently 
drawbacks. It was not a desired move but heck, who cares about users? 
>>>:-)

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

2012-02-14 Thread Jon Dowland

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 04:04:09PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> Any document to support that statement?
> 
> It will be indeed very sad to see that requirement coming from GNOME ;-(

Well, er, it is part of the GNOME project…

http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/


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Re: how are html pages printed?

2012-02-14 Thread Gilbert Sullivan

On 02/14/2012 01:05 PM, Dom wrote:
> On 14/02/12 17:26, Camaleón wrote:
>> El 2012-02-13 a las 15:01 -0600, Mark Copper escribió:
>>
>> (Mark, remember to reply to the list, not just me ;-) )
>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
>>
>> (...)
>>
 I would try to add a new printer instance (keep the one you already
 have, just add a new one) for the printer but using a PCL6 file instead
 ("pxlmono") and try to print the same page with it, just to compare
 both
 outputs.
>>>
>>> This sounds like a reasonable approach.  I'll give it a look.
>>>
>>> Just to put out as much info as I can.  This problem also occurs with
>>> Fedex shipping labels which do not involve explicit pop-up windows
>>> (but a lot of javascript).
>>
>> I think the pop-up window is not relevant for the problem but the
>> generated image/code by the courier web services. They can contain some
>> data your printer driver cannot handle and thus outputs the error.
>>
>>> Also it is worth remembering there is *not* a problem printing to the
>>> same printer from either squeeze on AMD or wheezy on i386 machines, I
>>> beleive.
>>
>> You mean the 32-bits wheezy install can print that pages without
>> troubleshoot, using the same PPD file? It could be then a problem with
>> the 64-bits CUPS packages... anyway, I would try first with "pxlmono"
>> and see how it goes.
> 
> I don't know that it's a problem with the 64-bit Wheezy. I have the same
> model printer and have been puzzling for a while why sometimes web pages
> print that error message, and others work fine on my 32-bit Wheezy setup.
> 
> However I hadn't got any further into my investigation, as I printed
> them successfully on my other printer (Epson inkjet) instead.
> 
> Now I will take more notice of which pages fail and examine the html and
> the generated postscript files.
> 
This is an aside concerning a very interesting coincidence between my
experience and yours.

I use an application called Zim. Zim's method of printing is to "print"
to a browser. (I can use the system default browser or any other.) To
get a paper printout, one then has to print to the printer from the
browser. On my Wheezy AMD64 system this always results in pure black
output on our HP OfficeJet 6310, which is a combination printer /
scanner / fax. On our i386 systems running Wheezy and the same CUPS and
PPD we get proper output. This has been going on for months. It is the
same with all browsers (epiphany, iceweasel, chromium, midori).

The workaround for the 64 bit system is to print from the browser to a
PDF file using cups-pdf. Printing the PDF file then produces perfect output.

After seeing this thread and comparing the information in it to my own
situation I'm thinking this must, indeed, be an issue with the CUPS
package in the the AMD64 version of Wheezy.

This HP printer has to be installed via the hp-setup utility if you want
the scanner and / or fax to work. The hp-check utility does show a bunch
of errors when run, but it has always done that -- even when the printer
was working perfectly well.

Sorry if I'm just adding noise to the thread. I' hoping that the
additional information might help you in some oblique way with your
approach to solving the problem.

As I said, I have a workaround that isn't too burdensome.

Regards,
Gilbert

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:05:44 +, Jon Dowland wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 04:04:09PM +, Camaleón wrote:
>> Any document to support that statement?
>> 
>> It will be indeed very sad to see that requirement coming from GNOME
>> ;-(
> 
> Well, er, it is part of the GNOME project…
> 
> http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/

There are many packages which are part of GNOME but don't need to be 
installed. Now that I've removed "gnome", tracker is one of them.

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:24:44 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
>
> (...)
>
>>> What makes this package different (and a requirement) is what I'd like
>>> to know.
>>
>> It doesn't take much to check that GNOME pulls in GNOME Documents!
>
> Oh, really?
>
> Look at the subject and then review my first post ;-)

I knew your first post but I thought that you'd forgotten it...

You're disagreeing with the GNOME developers installing Tracker by
default (whatever the actual dependency chain is).

It's their right and their choice; and, in their view, having Tracker
by default in GNOME enhances their DE.

It's also your right to disable/remove/replace Tracker (one method
that I haven't mentioned before is "equivs"; it's more work but it's
another possibility) should you choose to do so.

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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Michael Biebl  wrote:
> On 14.02.2012 18:49, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps Debian's GNOME maintainers could change the dependency to a
>> "file indexer" and have users choose the indexer that strikes their
>> fancy (I'm assuming that there are many but I only know of Beagle -
>> does Google Desktop Search have a Linux version?). Someone could
>> submit such an RFE but I wouldn't expect the maintainers to go for it
>> (it's my opinion not a certainty!).
>
> If such an alternate file indexer and metadata db provides the same
> functionality as tracker and the same (D-Bus) interfaces, this would be
> possible.
>
> There is none though. gnome-documents relies on the functionality of
> tracker, so there is no option really.

Thanks for the explanation.

(Someone's pointed out privately that Beagle's been abandoned so my
info was out of date.)


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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:46:10 -0500, Tom H wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:24:44 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
>>
>> (...)
>>
 What makes this package different (and a requirement) is what I'd
 like to know.
>>>
>>> It doesn't take much to check that GNOME pulls in GNOME Documents!
>>
>> Oh, really?
>>
>> Look at the subject and then review my first post ;-)
> 
> I knew your first post but I thought that you'd forgotten it...

He, nice try!
 
> You're disagreeing with the GNOME developers installing Tracker by
> default (whatever the actual dependency chain is).

No. What I disagree is installing a package that WAS NOT previously 
installed because now is a hard dependency of a package that WAS 
installed.

> It's their right and their choice; and, in their view, having Tracker by
> default in GNOME enhances their DE.

Of course it's their right. It is also my right to remove the metapackage 
to avoid that decision as well as is also my right to ask for the reasons 
of such movement. It is also my right to express my disagreement with 
that new hard requirement and all of that is what I did. I hope you don't 
get upset nor annoyed by this, this is how the community works, right?

> It's also your right to disable/remove/replace Tracker (one method that
> I haven't mentioned before is "equivs"; it's more work but it's another
> possibility) should you choose to do so.

Yup, already done, but instead removing tracker I purged the whole gnome 
metapackage to avoid future "disagreements" ;-)

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Re: free software mini pc

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM, green  wrote:
> Tom H wrote at 2012-02-14 11:18 -0600:
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM, green  wrote:
>> >
>> > Frankly, I am surprised that comments here suggest apathy and even 
>> > hostility
>> > toward (that is, questioning the value of) a search for a strictly "free
>> > software" device, especially considering Debian's social contract and the
>> > purpose of reducing maintenance requirements.  Do you or others here enjoy
>> > purchasing a system on which Linux does not work correctly until months
>> > later, if ever?
>>
>> :)
>>
>> The perceived hostility is an artifact of your own aggressivity;
>> basically "I want this", "I don't want that", "I refuse to compromise
>> on this".
>
> Probably my refusal to compromise is from past experiences with troublesome
> hardware on systems that needed to work ASAP.  And a significant portion of
> those was related to non-free, out-of-tree kernel modules.
>
>> I also reject your premise (as I've understood it) that the packages
>> in main are more stable than the packages in the non-main repos - and
>> I'm sure that the developers who maintain the latter packages would
>> prefer that you be more respectful of their work.
>
> Hey, sorry.  I am just trying to express the reason for my feelings, not
> trying to bash anything.

You were wondering why there hadn't been a more dynamic response to
your post and I just gave you my answer. I'm even happy for you to
call me apathetic for my attitude! :)

I forgot in my previous email to thank you for bringing up these
products because I've been asked to set up a Mac Mini as an intranet
server and I'm going to look at the boxes that have been mentioned in
this thread possibly to make a counter proposal. I'd previously only
glanced at Acer's Revo and Veriton offerings.


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Re:Sound Problems

2012-02-14 Thread David Baron

On Tuesday 14 February 2012 20:39:04 debian-user-digest-
requ...@lists.debian.org wrote:
> Hi Emil, try this:
> 
> The new kernel module added two new regulators "speakers" and
> "headphones",  and they are both set to "0" by default!
> 
> Additionally kmix and some other GUI might not show them as well as
> alsamixer,  but just start "alsamixer -c0" and all sliders appear. Now you
> can set them as you want, and now you can hear sound playing again.
> 
> Maybe you got the same problem?
> 
> Good luck!

Bug 659519 on 3.2.4 kernels.

Have problems with on-board Intel ALC861. I will boot the new kernel and try 
alsamixer -c0. Regular alsamixer, -gui, and qasmixer show nothing new.

I also cannot start up jack on any device at present but this may or may not 
be related to kernel alsa module problem.


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Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:46:10 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:24:44 -0500, Tom H wrote:


 It doesn't take much to check that GNOME pulls in GNOME Documents!
>>>
>>> Oh, really?
>>>
>>> Look at the subject and then review my first post ;-)
>>
>> I knew your first post but I thought that you'd forgotten it...
>
> He, nice try!

Believe it or not I did know that you'd said that earlier in the
thread. i didn't remember that it was in the very first post.


>> You're disagreeing with the GNOME developers installing Tracker by
>> default (whatever the actual dependency chain is).
>
> No. What I disagree is installing a package that WAS NOT previously
> installed because now is a hard dependency of a package that WAS
> installed.

So you're unhappy about dependencies changing!


>> It's their right and their choice; and, in their view, having Tracker by
>> default in GNOME enhances their DE.
>
> Of course it's their right. It is also my right to remove the metapackage
> to avoid that decision as well as is also my right to ask for the reasons
> of such movement. It is also my right to express my disagreement with
> that new hard requirement and all of that is what I did. I hope you don't
> get upset nor annoyed by this, this is how the community works, right?

It's your right to object but you tend to persist in your
protestations beyond what's strictly necessary. In package
installation terms, I'd say that you exhaust the "depends", the
"recommends", and the "suggests". :)

In this particular case, you have two posters with d.o eddresses, at
least one of whom is a member of the GNOME maintainers' team,
explaining the reasons for this dependency.


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Re: Any way to tell where the network problem is?

2012-02-14 Thread Ross Boylan

On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 14:51 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:44:45 -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> 
> > I've been losing network connections between my laptop and main machine.
> > The logs from the main machine are below.  
> 
> I can't see them, neither attached nor linked :-?
Thanks for your response.  I've been having some mail problems and only
just noticed it.

It's odd you don't see the logs; they show up in the archive.  I'll try
pasting them here:
Feb  8 19:45:40 corn kernel: [1987612.981170] ethfast: Detected Tx Unit 
Hang:
Feb  8 19:45:40 corn kernel: [1987612.981170]   TDH  

Feb  8 19:45:40 corn kernel: [1987612.981170]   TDT  

Feb  8 19:45:40 corn kernel: [1987612.981170]   next_to_use  

Feb  8 19:45:40 corn kernel: [1987612.981170]   next_to_clean

Feb  8 19:45:40 corn kernel: [1987612.981170] 
buffer_info[next_to_clean]:
Feb  8 19:45:40 corn kernel: [1987612.981170]   time_stamp   
<1cc1a41e>
Feb  8 19:45:40 corn kernel: [1987612.981170]   next_to_watch

Feb  8 19:45:40 corn kernel: [1987612.981170]   jiffies  
<1cc1a609>
Feb  8 19:45:40 corn kernel: [1987612.981170]   next_to_watch.status <0>
Feb  8 19:45:42 corn kernel: [1987614.987049] ethfast: Detected Tx Unit 
Hang:
Feb  8 19:45:42 corn kernel: [1987614.987053]   TDH  

Feb  8 19:45:42 corn kernel: [1987614.987055]   TDT  

Feb  8 19:45:42 corn kernel: [1987614.987057]   next_to_use  

Feb  8 19:45:42 corn kernel: [1987614.987059]   next_to_clean

Feb  8 19:45:42 corn kernel: [1987614.987061] 
buffer_info[next_to_clean]:
Feb  8 19:45:42 corn kernel: [1987614.987062]   time_stamp   
<1cc1a41e>
Feb  8 19:45:42 corn kernel: [1987614.987064]   next_to_watch

Feb  8 19:45:42 corn kernel: [1987614.987066]   jiffies  
<1cc1a7fc>
Feb  8 19:45:42 corn kernel: [1987614.987068]   next_to_watch.status <0>
Feb  8 19:45:44 corn kernel: [1987616.993948] ethfast: Detected Tx Unit 
Hang:
Feb  8 19:45:44 corn kernel: [1987616.993951]   TDH  

Feb  8 19:45:44 corn kernel: [1987616.993953]   TDT  

Feb  8 19:45:44 corn kernel: [1987616.993955]   next_to_use  

Feb  8 19:45:44 corn kernel: [1987616.993957]   next_to_clean

Feb  8 19:45:44 corn kernel: [1987616.993959] 
buffer_info[next_to_clean]:
Feb  8 19:45:44 corn kernel: [1987616.993961]   time_stamp   
<1cc1a41e>
Feb  8 19:45:44 corn kernel: [1987616.993963]   next_to_watch

Feb  8 19:45:44 corn kernel: [1987616.993965]   jiffies  
<1cc1a9f0>
Feb  8 19:45:44 corn kernel: [1987616.993966]   next_to_watch.status <0>
Feb  8 19:45:46 corn kernel: [1987619.008884] ethfast: Detected Tx Unit 
Hang:
Feb  8 19:45:46 corn kernel: [1987619.00]   TDH  

Feb  8 19:45:46 corn kernel: [1987619.008890]   TDT  

Feb  8 19:45:46 corn kernel: [1987619.008892]   next_to_use  

Feb  8 19:45:46 corn kernel: [1987619.008893]   next_to_clean

Feb  8 19:45:46 corn kernel: [1987619.008896] 
buffer_info[next_to_clean]:
Feb  8 19:45:46 corn kernel: [1987619.008898]   time_stamp   
<1cc1a41e>
Feb  8 19:45:46 corn kernel: [1987619.008899]   next_to_watch

Feb  8 19:45:46 corn kernel: [1987619.008901]   jiffies  
<1cc1abe4>
Feb  8 19:45:46 corn kernel: [1987619.008903]   next_to_watch.status <0>
Feb  8 19:45:48 corn kernel: [1987621.030882] ethfast: Detected Tx Unit 
Hang:
Feb  8 19:45:48 corn kernel: [1987621.030882]   TDH  

Feb  8 19:45:48 corn kernel: [1987621.030882]   TDT  

Feb  8 19:45:48 corn kernel: [1987621.030882]   next_to_use  

Feb  8 19:45:48 corn kernel: [1987621.030882]   next_to_clean

Feb  8 19:45:48 corn kernel: [1987621.030882] 
buffer_info[next_to_clean]:
Feb  8 19:45:48 corn kernel: [1987621.030882]   time_stamp   
<1cc1a41e>
Feb  8 19:45:48 corn kernel: [1987621.030882]   next_to_watch

Feb  8 19:45:48 corn kernel: [1987621.030882]   jiffies  
<1cc1add9>
Feb  8 19:45:48 corn kernel: [1987621.030882]   next_to_watch.status <0>
Feb  8 19:45:49 corn kernel: [1987622.027816] NETDEV WATCHDOG: ethfast: 
transmit timed out
Feb  8 19:45:52 corn kernel: [1987624.923313] ethfast: Link is Up 1000 
Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: RX/TX

> 
> > Is there any way of telling from them if the network problem is
> > occurring on the local or remote (laptop) machine?
> 
> Ping from/to both machines and see the output.
Ho

Re: "Gnome" package now requires installing "tracker"?

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:36:44 -0500, Tom H wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Camaleón  wrote:

 Look at the subject and then review my first post ;-)
>>>
>>> I knew your first post but I thought that you'd forgotten it...
>>
>> He, nice try!
> 
> Believe it or not I did know that you'd said that earlier in the thread.
> i didn't remember that it was in the very first post.

Yes, on the very very very first post. I can easily forget what other's 
say but not my own words :-)

>>> You're disagreeing with the GNOME developers installing Tracker by
>>> default (whatever the actual dependency chain is).
>>
>> No. What I disagree is installing a package that WAS NOT previously
>> installed because now is a hard dependency of a package that WAS
>> installed.
> 
> So you're unhappy about dependencies changing!

Uh? Yes, of course. I don't like adding a pletora of packages just for 
the shake of adding software. If I don't need a package I don't install 
it, is that simple.

>>> It's their right and their choice; and, in their view, having Tracker
>>> by default in GNOME enhances their DE.
>>
>> Of course it's their right. It is also my right to remove the
>> metapackage to avoid that decision as well as is also my right to ask
>> for the reasons of such movement. It is also my right to express my
>> disagreement with that new hard requirement and all of that is what I
>> did. I hope you don't get upset nor annoyed by this, this is how the
>> community works, right?
> 
> It's your right to object but you tend to persist in your protestations
> beyond what's strictly necessary. In package installation terms, I'd say
> that you exhaust the "depends", the "recommends", and the "suggests". :)

That's your personal point of view which I respect it. Now, would you 
care to tell me what I should have done? Shut up and be "a good girl" to 
don't disturb your minds? What a boring world, man. I like to contribute 
with my opinions, as well as helping others in mailing lists or 
participating as translator, reporting bugs... you know, the usual 
stuff :-)

> In this particular case, you have two posters with d.o eddresses, at
> least one of whom is a member of the GNOME maintainers' team, explaining
> the reasons for this dependency.

Well, I don't think the reason was clearly exposed nor explained. This is 
not an upstream requirement coming from the GNOME project but a package 
that is installed when someone installs the GNOME extra components that 
now are embedded within "gnome" metapackage because we have splitted the 
metapackages in two: "gnome-core" and "gnome", while in the past there 
was an additional one ("gnome-desktop-environment") whose packages are 
now integrated between "gnome-core" and "gnome".

In brief, gnome-core is the natural option for those GNOME users that 
what a basic GNOME desktop without all the available extras.

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Re: using a bluetooth headset

2012-02-14 Thread Celejar

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:17:22 +0100 (CET)
Pierre Frenkiel  wrote:

> hi
> I'm  trying to use a bluetooth headset, and curiously, it works only
> for Skype(at least for the speaker, not for the microphone),
> and not for any other program.
> According what I found in a forum. I put in .asoundrc.asoundconf
> 
> pcm.bluetooth {
> type plug
> slave {
> pcm "bluetooth_hw"
> }
> }
> 
> pcm.bluetooth_hw {
>   type bluetooth
>   device 00:0C:55:57:AC:23
>   profile "auto"
> }
> 
> but alsa still sends the sound to my PC speakers.
> I checked that Alsa actually uses this .asoundrc.asoundconf file, as it works
> for my other sound device (a wireless speaker)
> 
> How come that Skype is the only program which sees all my sound devices?

IIUC, that snippet just sets up a profile that alsa applications can
use; they still need to be told individually to actually use this
profile. For example, using 'aplay', you'd do something like "aplay -D
bluetooth sound.wav". Each alsa app will have its own configuration
area where you set which alsa device you want it to use.

Celejar


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Re: Any way to tell where the network problem is?

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:14:50 -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:

> On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 14:51 +, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:44:45 -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
>> 
>> > I've been losing network connections between my laptop and main
>> > machine. The logs from the main machine are below.
>> 
>> I can't see them, neither attached nor linked :-?

> Thanks for your response.  I've been having some mail problems and only
> just noticed it.
> 
> It's odd you don't see the logs; they show up in the archive.  I'll try
> pasting them here:

Thanks! 

It has to be a problem with my newsreader (pan) that was not capable of 
showing the logs. Weird.

> Feb  8 19:45:40 corn kernel: [1987612.981170] ethfast: Detected Tx 
> Unit Hang: 

(...)

> Feb  8 19:45:49 corn kernel: [1987622.027816] NETDEV WATCHDOG: 
> ethfast: transmit timed out
> Feb  8 19:45:52 corn kernel: [1987624.923313] ethfast: Link is Up 
> 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: RX/TX

By reading the logs, I can point you to these two bugs:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=518182
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657689

As you are using lenny, I would try with an updated kernel (2.6.32) from 
backports or better yet, take this as an opportunity to upgrade to 
Squeeze or another supported version :-)

>> > Is there any way of telling from them if the network problem is
>> > occurring on the local or remote (laptop) machine?
>> 
>> Ping from/to both machines and see the output.

> How will that tell me where the problem lies?  

Sure! I didn't see the logs, sorry. I thought you were having some sort 
of disconnects from one of the computers.

> Here's what I get from the server while things are working OK: 
> $ ping 192.168.40.30
> PING 192.168.40.30 (192.168.40.30) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from
> 192.168.40.30: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=0.565 ms 64 bytes from
> 192.168.40.30: icmp_seq=2 ttl=128 time=0.533 ms 
> $ traceroute 192.168.40.30
> traceroute to 192.168.40.30 (192.168.40.30), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> packets
>  1  cotton.betterworld.us (192.168.40.30)  24.460 ms * *
> There aren't any intermediate steps so that I could see the packets
> going part-way.

Mmm, okay. But are you pinging and tracerouting from/to the same host?

>> How are the computers connected, directly with a crossover network
>> cable, using a switch, Internet (remote) connection...?

> Using a new D-Link Gigabit switch (Model DGS-1008G) and ethernet. I've
> also tried wireless, which additionally uses a new D-Link Wireless N
> router (Model DIR-601), i.e., laptop-> wireless -> switch -> server; the
> laptop only has wireless G.  It's basically impossible to keep a good
> connection up, though it works for awhile after I start up.  The failure
> is not limited to SAMBA.  The laptop is definitely not in good shape.

I see. Anyway, although the laptop is not at its bests, the logs are 
concerning the linux box (the ethernet driver "hangs"). And one more 
thing... "ethfast" looks like a 10/100 driver though it says "link up 
1000 Mbps". What kernel modules are you loading for both cards?

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Re: Any way to tell where the network problem is?

2012-02-14 Thread Ross Boylan

On Tue, 2012-02-14 at 20:55 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:14:50 -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 14:51 +, Camaleón wrote:
> >> On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:44:45 -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> >> 
> >> > I've been losing network connections between my laptop and main
> >> > machine. The logs from the main machine are below.
> >> 
> >> I can't see them, neither attached nor linked :-?
> 
> > Thanks for your response.  I've been having some mail problems and only
> > just noticed it.
> > 
> > It's odd you don't see the logs; they show up in the archive.  I'll try
> > pasting them here:
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> It has to be a problem with my newsreader (pan) that was not capable of 
> showing the logs. Weird.
> 
> > Feb  8 19:45:40 corn kernel: [1987612.981170] ethfast: Detected Tx 
> > Unit Hang: 
> 
> (...)
> 
> > Feb  8 19:45:49 corn kernel: [1987622.027816] NETDEV WATCHDOG: 
> > ethfast: transmit timed out
> > Feb  8 19:45:52 corn kernel: [1987624.923313] ethfast: Link is Up 
> > 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: RX/TX
> 
> By reading the logs, I can point you to these two bugs:
> 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=518182
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657689
Thank you.  I do not have > 4g RAM, but my recent network upgrades took
me from 100Mb/s to 1000Mb/s, so the load has definitely gone up.  There
were problems before, which may or may not have the same cause.
> 
> As you are using lenny, 
Yes.
> I would try with an updated kernel (2.6.32) from 
> backports or better yet, take this as an opportunity to upgrade to 
> Squeeze or another supported version :-)
I want to upgrade, but need to test it and fix my mail first...
> 
> >> > Is there any way of telling from them if the network problem is
> >> > occurring on the local or remote (laptop) machine?
> >> 
> >> Ping from/to both machines and see the output.
> 
> > How will that tell me where the problem lies?  
> 
> Sure! I didn't see the logs, sorry. I thought you were having some sort 
> of disconnects from one of the computers.
> 
> > Here's what I get from the server while things are working OK: 
> > $ ping 192.168.40.30
> > PING 192.168.40.30 (192.168.40.30) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from
> > 192.168.40.30: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=0.565 ms 64 bytes from
> > 192.168.40.30: icmp_seq=2 ttl=128 time=0.533 ms 
> > $ traceroute 192.168.40.30
> > traceroute to 192.168.40.30 (192.168.40.30), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> > packets
> >  1  cotton.betterworld.us (192.168.40.30)  24.460 ms * *
> > There aren't any intermediate steps so that I could see the packets
> > going part-way.
> 
> Mmm, okay. But are you pinging and tracerouting from/to the same host?
No.  That's the server pinging the laptop.
> 
> >> How are the computers connected, directly with a crossover network
> >> cable, using a switch, Internet (remote) connection...?
> 
> > Using a new D-Link Gigabit switch (Model DGS-1008G) and ethernet. I've
> > also tried wireless, which additionally uses a new D-Link Wireless N
> > router (Model DIR-601), i.e., laptop-> wireless -> switch -> server; the
> > laptop only has wireless G.  It's basically impossible to keep a good
> > connection up, though it works for awhile after I start up.  The failure
> > is not limited to SAMBA.  The laptop is definitely not in good shape.
> 
> I see. Anyway, although the laptop is not at its bests, the logs are 
> concerning the linux box (the ethernet driver "hangs"). And one more 
> thing... "ethfast" looks like a 10/100 driver though it says "link up 
> 1000 Mbps". What kernel modules are you loading for both cards?
lsmod shows e100 and e1000e.  I don't think I've done any customization
related to these modules.  Here are some highlights from startup:
Jan 17 11:54:13 corn kernel: [2.104915] e1000e: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network 
Driver - 0.3.3.3-k2
Jan 17 11:54:13 corn kernel: [2.105673] e1000e: Copyright (c) 1999-2008 
Intel Corporation.
Jan 17 11:54:13 corn kernel: [2.105759] ACPI: PCI Interrupt :02:00.0[A] 
-> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
Jan 17 11:54:13 corn kernel: [2.106703] PCI: Setting latency timer of 
device :02:00.0 to 64
Jan 17 11:54:13 corn kernel: [2.205678] No dock devices found.
Jan 17 11:54:13 corn kernel: [2.228257] eth0: (PCI Express:2.5GB/s:Width 
x1) 00:13:20:b7:23:53
Jan 17 11:54:13 corn kernel: [2.229019] eth0: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network 
Connection
Jan 17 11:54:13 corn kernel: [2.229807] eth0: MAC: 2, PHY: 2, PBA No: 
ff-0ff
Jan 17 11:54:13 corn kernel: [2.230472] usbcore: registered new interface 
driver usbfs
Jan 17 11:54:13 corn kernel: [2.231188] usbcore: registered new interface 
driver hub
Jan 17 11:54:13 corn kernel: [2.240972] SCSI subsystem initialized
Jan 17 11:54:13 corn kernel: [2.262687] usbcore: registered new device 
driver usb
Jan 17 11:54:13 corn kernel: [2.306059] libata version 3.00 loaded.
Jan 17 11:54:13 corn kernel:

Re: How best to replace NetworkManager with wicd?

2012-02-14 Thread Martin Steigerwald

Hi Claudius, hi everyone,

Am Sonntag, 12. Februar 2012 schrieb Claudius Hubig:
> kei...@strucktower.com wrote:
> >Sometime back I moved one of my laptops from using Gnome to using a wm
> >(i3 at present). I have been slowly trying to learn the various
> >functions that the Gnome DE does in the background (hides from the
> >user) so that I can replace the Gnome-related-software to software
> >which is desktop independent.
> 
> Network Manager per se is not connected to Gnome and runs just fine
> with XFCE, KDE and even from the command line (you will have to
> create connections manually, though).

No, at least not for KDE. Just use plasma-widget-networkmanagement which 
in the meanwhile became quite nice. The version in wheezy/sid is nicer 
than in squeeze. But the same is true for network manager it self.

Network Manager 0.9 was the first version that I really found usable. 
Before I tried wicd sometimes, but either the KDE/GTK guis of it did not 
respond to clicks or wicd did some wierd misconfiguration - AFAIR it 
changed hostname to what was told by DHCP which is an absolute no-go to me 
since it breaks DBUS and more. After that last occurence I ditched wicd 
faster than you can spell apt-get purge - so to say. (I had this with 
earlier versions of network-manager as well, I purged it quite a lot.;)

Network Manager 0.9+ is fine for me. It connects to every WLAN I thrown at 
it, including the WPA PSK RADIUS - insert some more bull^W^W^W acronyms to 
make you happy - whatnot WLAN at work. I simply put in the data I was told 
to use for authentification and it worked out of the box. And at a customer 
it was just the same, told data and it worked. That wasn´t that 
consistently the case for me with earlier versions of network manager.

Heck, Network Manager 0.9+ even retries DHCP several times which helps 
while my ASUS WL-500g Premium router boots Debian from the USB-Stick after 
it loaded the Linux kernel from internal flash - for some reasons that 
sometimes takes longer.

So this new version of Network Manager was really a pleasant surprise to 
me as I disliked previous versions quite much. First time I do not need to 
know how it works. Like in K3b for CD/DVD burning and copying ;).

Only thing I did have some issue was OpenVPN, but I only tried it once and 
maybe I misconfigured it.

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Re: How best to replace NetworkManager with wicd?

2012-02-14 Thread Martin Steigerwald

Am Montag, 13. Februar 2012 schrieb Chris Davies:
> kei...@strucktower.com wrote:
> > I'm a bit confused as to how to replace NetworkManager with wicd
> > (using both wired and wireless connections).
> 
> My understanding is that NM will not touch any interface that is
> defined in /etc/network/interfaces. So, theoretically at least, if you
> simply go ahead and declare the interfaces "it will all just work".

There is one disadvantage with that:

Online detection in apps can be flaky. Network Manager reports offline when 
all of its managed interfaces are offline. No matter whether another 
interface it does not manage is online.

This even caused the famous I can´t surf with Iceweasel issue since 
Firefox/Iceweasel switched to offline mode when Network Manager reports 
being offline. Or the weather applet of KDE did not work and stuff like that.

So I am happy that Network Manager 0.9+ can it all for me now, although I 
do not agree to the report "offline" even when you do not actually now it 
for sure approach.

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Debian breaks commitment to support Lenny until after Wheezy is released

2012-02-14 Thread Arcady Genkin

In an announcement[1] from 2009, Debian promised to support Lenny at
least until the release of Wheezy:

"To accommodate the needs of larger organisations and other users with
a long upgrade process, the Debian project commits to provide the
possibility to skip the upcoming release and do a skip-upgrade
straight from Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") to Debian GNU/Linux 7.0
(not yet codenamed)."

Now Debian announces[2] that it stops security support for Lenny.

We are a mid-sized University subnet, with Debian Lenny on almost
every computer. That's about 150 workstations and a couple of dozens
of servers, both user-accessible and infrastructure. It generally
takes us two or three months to implement, test, and deploy a release
upgrade. We have lots of stuff that requires special attention when
moving to a new release, like auto installer, configuration management
system, 7GB of locally managed software in /usr/local/, etc. On top
of that, we usually do distribution upgrades in the summer, between
the terms, because we have students and instructors relying on our
systems almost year round.

We chose not to upgrade from Lenny last summer, for various reasons,
knowing that we should be safe because there should still be support
for Lenny at least all the way until Wheezy.

Debian dropping support to Lenny so unexpectedly is an enormous
problem for our organization. This means that we need to live without
security updates in the time being, drop all of our other projects on
the floor, and start working on upgrading to Squeeze between the
Winter and the Summer terms. On top of that, we will be upgrading to
Squeeze for only a year, because it is likely that Wheezy will be out
by this time next year, so we'll have to spend a couple of months next
year as well on another release upgrade.

We are quite surprised by and upset with Debian deciding to terminate
support for Lenny. We know that there are other networks at our
university affected by the latest announcement just the same way we
are. I am sure that there must be other organisations out there who
are stuck in the same situation.

I wonder what it would take to make Debian reconsider their decision
with regards to termination of Lenny support, and stick with the
promise from 2009.

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg9.html
[2] http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209
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Re: using a bluetooth headset

2012-02-14 Thread Juan Sierra Pons

2012/2/14 Pierre Frenkiel :
> hi
> I'm  trying to use a bluetooth headset, and curiously, it works only
> for Skype(at least for the speaker, not for the microphone),
> and not for any other program.
> According what I found in a forum. I put in .asoundrc.asoundconf
>
>   pcm.bluetooth {
>       type plug
>       slave {
>           pcm "bluetooth_hw"
>       }
>   }
>
>   pcm.bluetooth_hw {
>         type bluetooth
>         device 00:0C:55:57:AC:23
>         profile "auto"
>   }
>
> but alsa still sends the sound to my PC speakers.
> I checked that Alsa actually uses this .asoundrc.asoundconf file, as it
> works
> for my other sound device (a wireless speaker)
>
> How come that Skype is the only program which sees all my sound devices?
>
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Hi,

Are you using pulseaudio?

In this case use pavucontrol. I had the same problem and I could
configure it using this tool.

PAVUCONTROL(1)
 PAVUCONTROL(1)

NAME
   pavucontrol - A volume control for the PulseAudio sound server

SYNOPSIS
   pavucontrol

DESCRIPTION
   A simple volume control tool (mixer) for the PulseAudio sound
server. In contrast to classic mixer tools this one
   allows you to control both the volume of hardware devices and
of each playback stream separately. It also allows
   you to redirect a playback stream to another output device
without interrupting playback.

Hope it helps.

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Re: free software mini pc

2012-02-14 Thread Alex Hutton

On 15 February 2012 02:34, green  wrote:
> I am *not* looking for disposable hardware.  I am *not* interested in
> purchasing a maintenance burden.  I need *rock-solid* *long-term* Linux
> reliability on *rock-solid* hardware.  Will Compulabs continue to provide
> updated custom kernels a year or more from now?  I doubt it, considering that
> the custom kernel they provide for their product now does not work (strictly
> speaking).
>

Fair points. I guess you would need to go with an Atom or other x86
system which would have a more mature architecture, rather than ARM.
For my personal needs I'm thinking of desktop usage, so I'm not
thinking of a mission-critical application, and ultra-reliability is
not a necessity, though it is desiable :). A custom kernel that
doesn't work is obviously going to be a problem, but if it works well
enough then it would be fine for me. But I guess it does make a
difference to something that might be mission-critical because the
changes to the kernel are not likely to be widely tested or reviewed
so it's a definite risk, even if it's a small one, that there are
undetected bugs or security flaws present. However that's just an
uninformed view on my part, I don't really know anything about linux
kernel development and how robust the system is against bugs that
might be introduced with the sort of customisation that Compulab are
doing.

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Re: Question about ssh passwords and backup software

2012-02-14 Thread Juan Sierra Pons

2012/2/13 Paul E Condon :
> I am researching ways of setting up an automatic backup of
> my several local hosts (read computers in ancient UNIX parlance).
>
> My research has not been exhaustive, but it seems that the backup
> packages that offer backup of one host by another host all involve
> creating a special ssh password for the purpose that is not encripted
> and therefore does not need to be decripted for use. Advice varies as
> to how dangerous this is for security, but there is universal
> consensus that caution should be exercised.
>
> I have discovered an alternative to a passwordless private ssh key in
> the Debian package repository. (Not a great feat for a normal Debian
> user, but I am specially challenged.) The package in question is
> 'sshpass'. It allows one to write a script that feeds a password to
> the system that needs on. And, of course, the password is hidden
> somewhere on the using host in ways that can be questioned.
>
> I want to hear expressions of opinion as to the relative merits of
> having a password hidden somewhere vs. simply having no password on
> the private ssh key. I know there is risk in both and both ways have
> risks, but has anyone compared to two approaches and then decided to
> go one way or the other based on something more than a gut feeling? If
> so, what did you decide, and what were the risk factors that were
> important to you?
>
> If any of you feel that your position on this issue in not an opinion,
> but a fact that is beyond argument, your response is also welcome.
>
> TIA
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Hello Paul,

Several months ago I wrote a small tutorial "Backing up a cpanel
hosting account" [1] on this subject.

Here you are the index:

1.- Crontab for automatic backups.
2.- Public/private keys for passwordless ssh connections. (but still
safe using keychain)
3.- Mysqldump for dumping the MySQL databases to a local file.
4.- Rsync command for synchronizing directories between remote and
local servers. This way bandwidth is reduced as if a file has already
been copied to the local server no data transfer is needed.
5.- SpiderOak for data deduplication and remote backup.

The key for keeping your password safe is the tool keychain. Have a
look to the "Passwordless connections via OpenSSH using public key
authentication, keychain and AgentForward." webpage [2]

"
This page collects into one place the essential steps needed to
generate a private/public key pair and use ssh to connect to remote
hosts without having to enter your password or passphrase more than
once per boot of your trusted workstation.
"

[1] http://www.elsotanillo.net/2011/09/backing-up-a-cpanel-hosting-account/
[2] 
http://oceanpark.com/notes/howto_ssh_keychain_public_key_authentication_forwarding.html

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Re: Debian breaks commitment to support Lenny until after Wheezy is released

2012-02-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU

On Ma, 14 feb 12, 17:12:57, Arcady Genkin wrote:
> In an announcement[1] from 2009, Debian promised to support Lenny at
> least until the release of Wheezy:
> 
> "To accommodate the needs of larger organisations and other users with
> a long upgrade process, the Debian project commits to provide the
> possibility to skip the upcoming release and do a skip-upgrade
> straight from Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") to Debian GNU/Linux 7.0
> (not yet codenamed)."

This announcement was made in the context of the plan to freeze (and 
consequently release) squeeze very fast (one year after lenny). Plans 
were changed (as mentioned in subsequent announcements) and squeeze had 
the typical Debian release cycle, which is why support for oldstable 
ends as usual.

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Re: free software mini pc

2012-02-14 Thread Mark Neidorff

On Monday 13 February 2012 5:04:04 pm green wrote:
> David Goodenough wrote at 2012-02-13 11:31 -0600:
> > On Monday 13 Feb 2012, green wrote:
> > > Is Tegra 3 supported by Linux?  Are any of the Tegras supported by
> > > Linux? While I have found nothing definitive, everything I have found
> > > suggests not.
> > 
> > If you look at the linux-arm mailing list, or the kernel changelogs you
> > will find lots of references to the Tegras.
> 
> Okay, perhaps the kernel does support some Tegras, and perhaps some day the
> Trim-Slice will run mainline Linux.

I have been reading about getting debian working on an ARM system 
(raspberrypi) and it seems that they do some custom work with the boot process 
to get it going.  I don't pretend to understand what they have done, but their 
plan is to put out a customized distribution for their ARM processor based 
device.

I've stayed on the sidelines of this thread because the original post sounded 
to me like trolling.  But, after the posts that I have read, you seem quite 
serious.  I'm still not 100% clear on what is standing in your way.  Have you 
looked at mini-itx systems on ebay for inspiration?  I have one now running 
Lenny as my server. It is rock solid.  It just sits there, silently, and runs 
and runs and runs.  Everything just worked on installation.  I added a tiny 
case fan(which is very quiet) to it, but there is really no need for it.

Have you looked into this form factor?

Mark

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Re: Debian breaks commitment to support Lenny until after Wheezy is released

2012-02-14 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 15/02/12 09:12, Arcady Genkin wrote:
> In an announcement[1] from 2009, Debian promised to support Lenny at 
> least until the release of Wheezy:
> 
> "To accommodate the needs of larger organisations and other users
> with a long upgrade process, the Debian project commits to provide
> the possibility to skip the upcoming release and do a skip-upgrade 
> straight from Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") to Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 
> (not yet codenamed)."

Like you I read that announcement with great interest - I also made note
of the context (which I requote here for clarification):-

"Since Debian's last release happened on Feb. 14th 2009, there will only
be approximately a one year period until its next release, Debian
GNU/Linux 6.0 (codenamed "Squeeze")."

And subsequently noted that Squeeze was *not* released when anticipated.
I presumed that meant the upgrade from Lenny to Wheezy would not be
happening. (I'm cynical about release schedules and "skip" upgrades)

I've lost the original reference - but the quote I put in a memo at the
time is from Steve McIntyre, from one of the Debian Mailing lists, on
the subject of that "skip" upgrade. (dated late July - so his statement
would have been prior)

"There isn't a need for supporting the
skip-upgrade. That's not to say that it *won't* work, but it's not
something we are going to commit to."

Given the changes Squeeze brought to KDE we were reluctant to upgrade
unnecessarily, but after reading that I began testing to move to Squeeze
(like many others) in early August, and finished migrating in early
December.

NOTE: this subject has come up many times on various Debian lists over
the last year. I'm truly sorry you've not been aware of it.

I'm not sure there wasn't an official announcement subsequently - or
that the "skip" upgrade is no longer going to be available. I also don't
understand your concern - Squeeze still has plenty of life, we don't
intend beginning the process of testing moves to Wheezy for another year
as we like to wait until teething problems are sorted first.

> 
> Now Debian announces[2] that it stops security support for Lenny.

AFAIK it was always going to be the case that Lenny support would end
two years after it's release.

http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan

> 
> We are a mid-sized University subnet, with Debian Lenny on almost 
> every computer.  That's about 150 workstations and a couple of
> dozens of servers, both user-accessible and infrastructure.  It
> generally takes us two or three months to implement, test, and deploy
> a release upgrade.  We have lots of stuff that requires special
> attention when moving to a new release, like auto installer,
> configuration management system, 7GB of locally managed software in
> /usr/local/, etc.  On top of that, we usually do distribution
> upgrades in the summer, between the terms, because we have students
> and instructors relying on our systems almost year round.
> 
> We chose not to upgrade from Lenny last summer, for various reasons, 
> knowing that we should be safe because there should still be support 
> for Lenny at least all the way until Wheezy.

No where in the original announcement was an extended support lifetime
for Lenny discussed - only a "skip" upgrade *if* Squeeze was released early.

> 
> Debian dropping support to Lenny so unexpectedly is an enormous 
> problem for our organization.

I am saddened to hear of your dilemma.
And I can't account for why you did not know of the Lenny end of support
date.

> I am sure that there must be other organisations out there who are
> stuck in the same situation.

Perhaps, I definitely don't know all the major support companies - but I
don't personally know of any other support companies that wasn't keenly
aware of the Lenny end of support date. Most were unwilling to bridge
the unsupported gap between the end of Lenny support and the
"anticipated" release date for Wheezy.

> 
> I wonder what it would take to make Debian reconsider their decision 
> with regards to termination of Lenny support, and stick with the 
> promise from 2009.

This would be the wrong list to ask. Perhaps the Debian-release list?

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Re: Suggestions regarding a PCI-X card.

2012-02-14 Thread Dan Serban

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:26:32 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

> Mmm, I don't know how reliable it can be that information :-?
> 
> ("+" means the flag is enabled and "-" means it is disabled)
> 
> Regardless lspci output, I would ensure the BIOS POST data displays the 
> right bus frequency for that specific PCI-X slot (remember that some 
> motherboards allow to configure the frequency to lower values for PCI 
> cards -usually "auto/PCI33/66/PCI-X/66/100/133MHz").
> 
> Greetings,
> 

Thanks for the response, I have gone through the BIOS extensively and I
have checked every setting.  I made sure it's on the correct bus (Two
PCI-X busses, one 133 max and the other 100 max) and upon boot there is
zero output from the BIOS.  It almost seems that the card becomes some
sort of extension to the BIOS as there's no onboard int19h (or is it 10?)
interrupt for a boot option.  The interesting part is that each port and
drive is detected within the motherboard BIOS itself.  Allowing me to
disable/enable specific ports and drives.

So I'm still stuck at square one, I have followed the instructions in the
man page for lspci and have looked at the pci.h source file, but apart from
telling me what the acronyms may stand for, there is no real further
explanation on what the actual status of the card is.  One status line is
66MHz+ and the other is 66MHz+ 133MHz+.  I'm unsure.

I think my best bet is to subscribe to the linux-pci mailing list and try
there, I hate not being sure that I'm using my hardware to its fullest
potential.

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Re: A question about ssh-agent

Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > This is a problem of opposing goals.  One group wants the system to be
> > popular and easy to use for novices.  The other group wants it to have
> > technical excellence.  It is exactly with issues such as this that
> > they are opposing goals.
> 
> But instead of reading options from an admin file (under /etc),
> it could read options from a user file (under his $HOME).
> 
> I think there could be at least 3 values for the ssh-agent option:
> 1. Always start a ssh-agent.
> 2. Never start a ssh-agent.
> 3. Start a ssh-agent except if the user's .xsession file is used.
> 
> Possibly other options for users of gnome-keyring-daemon (as if
> I understand correctly, it can also start an ssh-agent)?
> 
> (3) makes sense as the default, as users of a .xsession file
> generally want to control things. Novices don't use a .xsession
> file, so that there won't be any problem with them.

Something like that would make sense to me.

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Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> So, where is the range specified?

Somewhere in the depts of libc.

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ASUS EeePC 1215B - Debian Testing 12-Feb-2012 Build - Video Problem, Black Screen

2012-02-14 Thread Marc Hurst

I installed Debian Testing (the 12-Feb-2012 build) on my new ASUS 1215B,
by the net install method.

When I boot, I see the first few lines correctly, then the video
switches to mismatched unreadable hash for the remainder of the boot-up,
then upon completion of boot-up the video changes again and the screen
goes black.

Who should I report this bug to?

Thanks,
--Marc

p.s.--Net installation of Squeeze was somewhat more successful. But
several things don't work correctly. Doesn't recognize the display's
1368x768 resolution, uses 1024x768 instead. Audio doesn't work. 




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Display on IBM ThinkPad A22m; was Re(2): http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary

2012-02-14 Thread peasthope

*   From: Andrei Popescu 
*   Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:18:26 +0200
> Wikipedia helps in such cases
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Rage#Mobility

Thanks.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units
shows that the last Rage was launched in 1999 and the first Radeon was launched 
in 
2001.  Oddly, several Radeons had code names such as Rage 6/R100.  R600 Pro and 
RV600 weren't launched until 2007.  So the statement in 
http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary , "support of chipsets prior to the r600 
has been 
dropped"  is consistent with my observation that the proprietary driver fails.

*   From: deloptes 
*   Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 01:25:16 +0100
> ... installing the ati non-free. It's tricky but working well, ...

As I understand, ati non-free is a red herring for this hardware.

> Did you remove the xorg.conf now? 

No.  I made it with "Xorg -configure".  It's appended below.

> Also did you ever look into he logs in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE

root@whiterock:/var/log# grep "(EE)" Xorg.0.log
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.

root@whiterock:/var/log# grep "(WW)" Xorg.0.log
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
(WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d
/dirs/TrueType".
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
(WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d
/dirs/TrueType".
(WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' wi
ll be disabled.
(WW) Disabling Mouse0
(WW) Disabling Keyboard0
(WW) R128(0): Unable to estimate virtual size
root@whiterock:/var/log#

*   From: Bob Proulx 
*   Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:32:54 -0700
> What does xrandr say?

root@whiterock:~# lxrandr
(lxrandr:1787): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:

So back to this screen.
http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/ThinkPadDisplay1.jpg
Similar to this from last November 23.
http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/ThinkPadDisplay.jpg

*   From: deloptes 
*   Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 00:20:55 +0100
> For r128 you can do 'man r128' to get info about the options. there are also
> plenty of setup hints in the web

I'm overwhelmed with information and options which I 
understand poorly.  From the photographs linked above, 
does anyone recognize a possible cause of the problem and 
have a specific adjustment to suggest?

The xorg.conf from "Xorg -configure" follows.  

Thanks for any further help,   ... Peter E.

==
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
FontPath "built-ins"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load  "dri"
Load  "extmod"
Load  "dbe"
Load  "record"
Load  "dri2"
Load  "glx"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver  "kbd"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse0"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "auto"
Option  "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "Monitor0"
VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName"Monitor Model"
EndSection

Section "Device"
### Available Driver options are:-
### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False",
### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz"
### [arg]: arg optional
#Option "NoAccel"   # []
#Option "SWcursor"  # []
#Option "Dac6Bit"   # []
#Option "Dac8Bit"   # []
#Option "DMAForXv"  # []
#Option "ForcePCIMode"  # []
#Option "CCEPIOMode"# []
#Option "CCENoSecurity" # []
#Option "CCEusecTimeout"# 
#Option "AGPMode"   # 
#Option "AGPSize"   # 
#Option "RingSize"  # 
#Option "BufferSize"# 
#Option "EnablePageFlip"# []

Re: Debian breaks commitment to support Lenny until after Wheezy is released

2012-02-14 Thread Arcady Genkin

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 18:29, Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> This announcement was made in the context of the plan to freeze (and
> consequently release) squeeze very fast (one year after lenny). Plans
> were changed (as mentioned in subsequent announcements) and squeeze had
> the typical Debian release cycle, which is why support for oldstable
> ends as usual.

Thanks for your reply, Andrei.

Plans for *Squeeze* were later changed (it was delayed), but I have
not seen any announcements referring to any change of plans as far as
support for Lenny was concerned.  The plans for Lenny support were
relative to the release date of Wheezy and was not promised as any
concrete (absolute) number of years.  Even if your interpretation of
what happened is correct, I don't think that it would be reasonable to
expect that the users were to infer the change of plans for support
for Lenny without an explicit announcement.
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Need help on missing Dia shape icons

2012-02-14 Thread luger

I just installed the "dia" package, dia starts up fine but immediately 
gives me a warning:


failed to load icon for file
 /usr/share/dia/shapes/Flowchart/display.png
 cause=Couldn't recognize the image file format for file 
'/usr/share/dia/shapes/Flowchart/display.png'


and also tells me there are 49 more messages.

I looked in /usr/share/dia/shapes/Flowchart/ and found a listing of the 
various shapes, including "display.png" and "display.shape".  In other 
words, both the .png and .shape files are there for all the shapes.


On the screen, the place where you'd normally see a small icon of the 
shape is a placeholder with a red X in the center. All kinds of them.


Clicking and dragging one of the placeholder X icons to the working 
screen, the shape/symbol is OK.  Just cannot see what the shape is until 
doing that.  So I assume the shape/symbol is OK, just the icon file 
(.png) cannot be found.


Using Wheezy, up to date, i386 version.

I'm not a newbie to Linux, but not a guru either.  Dia looks like a fine 
program for my needs.  Any help or hints on solving the missing icons 
would be appreciated.  Am I missing some packages or files?  I've gone 
thru the list on the Debian package page for dia and all seems OK.


[Not to confuse the issue, but I have another problem with synaptic that 
popped up a couple weeks ago.  In the file window, the "supported" 
symbols (the Debian swirl) and the little box indicating installed or 
not are missing in those two columns.  I only mention this here in case 
this problem is related to the missing icons above.  Synaptic does not 
give any error message and works fine otherwise.]


Thanks,

Luger


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Re: Debian breaks commitment to support Lenny until after Wheezy is released

2012-02-14 Thread Arcady Genkin

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 18:53, Scott Ferguson
 wrote:

> And subsequently noted that Squeeze was *not* released when anticipated.
> I presumed that meant the upgrade from Lenny to Wheezy would not be
> happening. (I'm cynical about release schedules and "skip" upgrades)

I wish we saw this coming, too.

> NOTE: this subject has come up many times on various Debian lists over
> the last year. I'm truly sorry you've not been aware of it.

We are subscribed to the announcements list, but we don't generally
monitor any other Debian lists.

> I'm not sure there wasn't an official announcement subsequently - or
> that the "skip" upgrade is no longer going to be available.

I just went over the archives of debian-announce for 200{9,10,11} and
found nothing.  Perhaps I'm not seeing something that's there, though.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2011/
http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2010/
http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/

> I also don't
> understand your concern - Squeeze still has plenty of life, we don't
> intend beginning the process of testing moves to Wheezy for another year
> as we like to wait until teething problems are sorted first.

If Wheezy comes out in Feb 2013, then Squeeze will become unsupported
in Feb 2014, right?  Since summer is the only convenient time for us
to do an upgrade, we'll have to do it in the summer of 2013, which is
a year from now.

> AFAIK it was always going to be the case that Lenny support would end
> two years after it's release.

Not according to the announcement I linked to in the original post.
The promise for extended support for Lenny was worded relative to the
release date of Wheezy, and not as a certain number of additional
years.

> No where in the original announcement was an extended support lifetime
> for Lenny discussed - only a "skip" upgrade *if* Squeeze was released early.

Quoting from the announcement once again:
"To accommodate the needs of larger organisations and other users with
a long upgrade process, the Debian project commits to provide the
possibility to skip the upcoming release and do a skip-upgrade
straight from Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") to Debian GNU/Linux 7.0
(not yet codenamed)."

I don't see any ifs there, it's all worded pretty straight forwardly.

Secondly, do you mean to say that "possibility to skip the upcoming
release" does not include promise of support?  That would be totally
ridiculous, especially given that the exception is offered with
"larger organisations" in mind.  Do you mean to say that the Debian
project was supposing that the larger organisations might want to
operate without security support for a year or two?!

> And I can't account for why you did not know of the Lenny end of support
> date.

My colleagues from a sibling network were equally surprised.  Why
wouldn't we be if there was no announcement made?
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Re: free software mini pc

2012-02-14 Thread green

Christofer C. Bell wrote at 2012-02-13 16:54 -0600:
> Maybe they mean the system halts but doesn't power off.  Would that be an 
> issue?  Having to manually cut power?

Um, maybe the thing that people aren't getting here is that I am interested 
in *purchasing* a device.  (I am not out to throw mud in faces, just shopping 
for what I want.)  What I want is what I have already mentioned, 100% free 
software and maximum reliability (so everything "just works"; yes, and powers 
off too).  I have not given any spending limits at all, so suggestions have a 
blank check to work with.

If no device fits my requirements, fine.  In that case I will not be 
purchasing one.  I just would like to know now, *before* I make a purchase.


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Re: Amaya

2012-02-14 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 15/02/12 14:17, Christofer C. Bell wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Scott Ferguson
>  wrote:
>> On 14/02/12 15:24, Ethan Rosenberg wrote:
>>> Dear List -

> To be clear, Amaya isn't provided by Debian in any release (oldstable,
> stable, testing, unstable, experimental), in any repository section
> (main, contrib, non-free):

Thanks for pointing that out.

> 
> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=amaya&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
> 
> This is why I provided a pointer to the download page:
> 
> http://www.w3.org/Amaya/User/BinDist
> 
> With the choice of 32 or 64 bit:
> 
> http://www.w3.org/Amaya/Distribution/amaya_11.4.4-1_i386.deb
> http://www.w3.org/Amaya/Distribution/amaya_11.4.4-1_amd64.deb
> 

My first response 'could' be "are you sure?" :-)

But that would be wrong - so I checked my original assumption a little
further

scott@work:~$ apt-cache search amaya
browser-history - User daemon that tracks URLs looked at and logs them
amaya - XHTML, MathML, and SVG editor from w3.org

scott@work:~$ apt-cache show amaya | more
Package: amaya
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: *web*
Installed-Size: 52084
Maintainer: Laurent Carcone 
Architecture: i386
Version: 11.4.4-1
Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libexpat1 (>=
1.95.8), libfreet
ype6 (>= 2.3.5), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0),
libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.
12.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.3), libraptor1 (>= 1.4.16), libsm6,
libssl0.9.8 (>= 0
.9.8m-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libx11-6, libxext6, libxinerama1,
zlib1g (>= 1:1.1
.4)
Description: XHTML, MathML, and SVG editor from w3.org
 Amaya is a Web editor, i.e. a tool used to create and update documents
 directly on the Web. Browsing features are seamlessly integrated with
 the editing and remote access features in a uniform environment.
 Amaya is based on the Thot toolkit developed at INRIA.

NOTE the "Section: *web*" (emphasis is mine). If I'd dug that deep in
the first place that should have alerted me that it's not from the
official Debian repositories.

My apologies for the bum steer Ethan, or any implication that you
(Christofer) were overlooking the Debian repositories.

On a separate note - apparently BlueGriffon is a very good WYSIWYG HTML
editor.
I haven't used it yet, but one of my developers swears by it. She say
it's Open Source development with paid extensions, led by the same
developer (Daniel Glazman) behind the abandoned Nvu (later forked as
Kompozer).

Kind regards

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Re: ASUS EeePC 1215B - Debian Testing 12-Feb-2012 Build - Video Problem, Black Screen

2012-02-14 Thread Patrick Bartek



> I installed Debian Testing (the 12-Feb-2012 build) on my new ASUS 1215B,
> by the net install method.
> 
> When I boot, I see the first few lines correctly, then the video
> switches to mismatched unreadable hash for the remainder of the boot-up,
> then upon completion of boot-up the video changes again and the screen
> goes black.
> 
> Who should I report this bug to?
> 
> Thanks,
> --Marc
> 
> p.s.--Net installation of Squeeze was somewhat more successful. But
> several things don't work correctly. Doesn't recognize the display's
> 1368x768 resolution, uses 1024x768 instead. Audio doesn't work. 


http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC should get you started with your 
troubleshooting.


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rm -rf is too slow on large files and directory structure(Around 30000)

2012-02-14 Thread Bilal mk

Hello,

I tried to remove 5GB directory. In that directory around 3 files and
directory. It will take more than 30 min to complete.
There is no other cpu intensive process running. After sometime it goes to
D state and unbale to kii that process.

I have also tried find with xargs method to remove. It will also take long
time to complete
find /directory | xargs rm -rf


USER   PID %CPU %MEMVSZ   RSS TTY  STAT START   TIME COMMAND
root  1116  0.1  0.0  0 0 ?D09:10   0:25 [kdmflush]
root  1117  0.2  0.0  0 0 ?D09:10   0:39 [kdmflush]

There have any method to speed up this process.

Thanks

Re: Suggestions regarding a PCI-X card.

2012-02-14 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 2/13/2012 7:26 PM, Dan Serban wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I have recently upgraded my Tyan S2885 motherboard and repurposed it to
> become a file server.  In doing so, I picked up a Supermicro SAT2-MV8 which
> is based on a Marvell chipset.  So far everything comes up good, an
> am planning on 16 hard drives total, the first 4 that I've hooked up for
> vetting and benchmarking work well.

This is an 8 port card, so 16 drives will require 2 cards.  Unless you
plan to connect 4 SATA drives and 4 EIDE drives to the mobo ports...ick

> One thing that's come to my attention before I go forward is that when I
> run lspci -vv, I've noticed this:
> 
>  # lspci -vv -s 03
> 03:03.0 SCSI storage controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. MV88SX6081
> 8-port SATA II PCI-X Controller (rev 09)
> --snip--
> Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort-
> SERR- SERR-  --snip--
> Capabilities: [60] PCI-X non-bridge device
> Status: Dev=03:03.0 64bit+ 133MHz+ SCD- USC- DC=simple

This is what you trust:   ^^

It's running at 133MHz.

> DMMRBC=512 DMOST=4 DMCRS=8 RSCEM- 266MHz- 533MHz-

> Am I reading the above wrong?  

Yes, you were.

> Under capabilities is says Status as well,
> but earlier it's simply status.  So I'm wondering if the bus is at 66MHz
> and the card is somehow at 133?  I don't fully understand the output.

Look at the same lspci data for all your other PCI devices.

> From what I can tell, the card is running at 66MHz, though the

As I said you're reading the lspci output wrong.

> capabilities list it as capable of 133MHz.  

No, "capabilities" tells you what the device can do *and* what's it's
currently doing.  Note the 133MHz is under the sub heading "status".

> I've double checked that the
> jumpers are set correctly on the motherboard and am concerned that I'm
> somehow doing something wrong.

You haven't yet.  But just in case...

slots 1/2 on PCI-X bus B:   Max 133MHz, single card
slots 1/2 on PCI-X bus B:   Max 100MHz, two cards
slots 3/4 on PCI-X bus A:   Max 100MHz, 1 or 2 cards

If you install a 2nd SAT2-MV8, put both cards in PCI-X slots 1/2, and
close J53.  This leaves slots 3/4 open for non PCI-X cards should you
need to install such in the future, or have such already.  Don't attempt
to max your SATA HBA bandwidth by using both PCI-X buses, one card in
each, as that's wholly unnecessary, and decreases your flexibility and
performance WRT future card installation.

The reason "maxing out" is unnecessary is this:

A 100MHz PCI-X bus has *only* (/sarcasm) 800MB/s of bandwidth.  That's
more than plenty for 16 SATA drives on two SAT2-MV8 cards.  Worth noting
here is that an OP on the XFS list yesterday is running a 24x1TB SATA
external InforTrend RAID box over a single U320 SCSI channel to the
host's PCI-X Adaptec HBA.  That's a 320MB/s bus for 24 drives.  That's
in a production lab environment and that array gets hammered 24x7.

Also note there are tons of 16,24,32,48 drive iSCSI SAN arrays and NAS
boxen in production environments that have only 1-4 GbE ports for host
connectivity.  That's *only* 200 to 800MB/s bidirectional aggregate b/w.
 And most environments with such arrays have dozens or more servers
using them as primary storage.  The reason the data pipe can be so
"small" is that most data accesses are random accesses, not sequential
streaming workloads.  A 16 disk RAID0 that can stream 1GB/s under
optimal conditions will only be able to move 20MB/s with a highly random
IO workload, because the disks become seek bound.

In other words, don't get yourself all wound up over theoretical maximum
bandwidths of drives, cards, and bus slots.  Even though 16
SATA-I/II/III drives in RAID0 may have a theoretical combined streaming
read rate of ~1.6GB/s, you'll never see it in the real world.  You'll be
lucky to see 1GB/s with the "perfect streaming test", which doesn't
exist, regardless of HBA, RAID card, bus slot speed, etc.

So don't worry about the PCI-X bus speed.

> After googling a bit, I only found one topic about something like this and
> the poster suggested that linux will not show 133MHz speeds via lspci.

It is showing it.  You're just been misreading the output.

> I'm not sure what I should believe.  

Believe me when I say I'm losing patience with you Dan.  ;)

Believe your own eyes.  Remove your cranium from your backside and use
some deduction and common sense.  It literally took me about 2 minutes
to figure this out, and it wasn't difficult at all.

> Is there any tool I can use to test
> this setup to be sure what speed it's running at?  Is there anything else I
> can do or check?

Drop it in slot 3/4 leaving the sister slot empty, and look at the lspci
output.  You should see 100 where you currently see 133.  If you don't,
then you know lspci is simply fuckered as both the 66 and 133 are wrong.
 Then you can simply tell lspci to piss off, assume the hardware is
workin

Re: Debian breaks commitment to support Lenny until after Wheezy is released

2012-02-14 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 15/02/12 14:47, Arcady Genkin wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 18:53, Scott Ferguson 
>  wrote:
> 
>> And subsequently noted that Squeeze was *not* released when
>> anticipated. I presumed that meant the upgrade from Lenny to Wheezy
>> would not be happening. (I'm cynical about release schedules and
>> "skip" upgrades)
> 
> I wish we saw this coming, too.
> 
>> NOTE: this subject has come up many times on various Debian lists
>> over the last year. I'm truly sorry you've not been aware of it.
> 
> We are subscribed to the announcements list, but we don't generally 
> monitor any other Debian lists.

My sympathies - be sure that list readers will try and help you, but
there's little more they can do.

Certainly it has been discussed on this list and the www list previously
- though by only monitoring the announce lists you wouldn't know.
Perhaps you should file a bug report with the announce list - it
certainly seems like a reasonable request.

It was widely discussed outside of Debian too:-
http://www.google.com/search?q=lenny+end+of+support&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_min%3A6%2F23%2F2009%2Ccd_max%3A1%2F23%2F2012

Apparently the reminders where circulating on Ffffacebook last year...

> 
> If Wheezy comes out in Feb 2013,

If. If.
Don't bet the farm on it. I have the greatest confidence in the Debian
teams - mainly to put stability ahead of timetables.

> then Squeeze will become unsupported in Feb 2014, right?

Yes (if)

> Since summer is the only convenient time for us to do an upgrade,
> we'll have to do it in the summer of 2013, which is a year from now.

I can appreciate the inconvenience, I guess you'll have to put that down
to (bitter) experience. We expected Squeeze a lot earlier than it
actually arrived - and we didn't see 3.2x kernels coming either - now we
have the problem of dealing with 2.6x i386 kernels and *not* using 3.2x
kernels for 64-bit (didn't expect that until Wheezy, and no risk
management strategy for it - this is causing a problem as support
contracts bind us to some client developers desires...). In that case it
was forced by an upstream decision. Adapt and overcome [Gaelic shrug] ;-)

> Not according to the announcement I linked to in the original post. 
> The promise for extended support for Lenny was worded relative to
> the release date of Wheezy, and not as a certain number of
> additional years.

I'm sorry - I've re-read that several times, I'm tired, and maybe I
misheard - but "support" doesn't seem to be mentioned.

I did link to the "official" support lifetime policy...

> 
>> No where in the original announcement was an extended support
>> lifetime for Lenny discussed - only a "skip" upgrade *if* Squeeze
>> was released early.
> 
> Quoting from the announcement once again: "To accommodate the needs
> of larger organisations and other users with a long upgrade process,
> the Debian project commits to provide the possibility to skip the
> upcoming release and do a skip-upgrade straight from Debian GNU/Linux
> 5.0 ("Lenny") to Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 (not yet codenamed)."
> 
> I don't see any ifs there, it's all worded pretty straight
> forwardly.

In what you are (selectively) quoting - no. I quoted the relevant,
preceding, qualification for a reason :-)

"Since Debian's last release happened on Feb. 14th 2009, there will only
be approximately a one year period until its next release, Debian
GNU/Linux 6.0 (codenamed "Squeeze"). "

 The above did *not* happen :-(
Squeeze wasn't released until the second of June (right in the middle of
the busy part of the business year) - *over a year later*

"This *will* be a one-time exception to the two-year policy in order to
get into the new time schedule."

*will* is presumptive, ergo the "one-time" exception *couldn't* take
place. :-/

More importantly - I'm not sure that debating a moot point is helpful to
your predicament - support *has* ended. Perhaps it can be extended[*1] -
at this point in Lenny's lifetime the work involved in maintained
support privately would not be great - several appliance companies do
the same internally for Etch.

[*1]See:-
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/01/msg6.html
for a link to the minutes of the discussions. The Security Team would be
the proper folk to talk to - at least they might tell you why the policy
(one year after the release of stable) is in place.

Perhaps, aside from lobbying for support extensions (which would require
forking existing development resources) you could ask for assistance in
extending support for your needs *and* how to move to Squeeze (belt and
suspenders).

> 
> Secondly, do you mean to say that "possibility to skip the upcoming 
> release" does not include promise of support?

That was always my "assumption" - please note that I don't speak for the
teams involved - I'm just someone in a similar position to you.

The word "support" does not appear in the reference. I can understand
how some people 'might' infer that support was implied

Re: rm -rf is too slow on large files and directory structure(Around 30000)

Bilal mk wrote:
> I tried to remove 5GB directory. In that directory around 3 files and
> directory. It will take more than 30 min to complete.

A large number of files consuming a large number of blocks will take a
significant amount of time to process.  That is all there is to it.

Some filesystems are faster than others.  What filesystem are you
using?  On what type of cpu?

If you happen to be destroying an entire filesystem then you could
simply destroy the entire filesystem by unmounting it and then making
a new filesystem on top of it..

> There is no other cpu intensive process running. After sometime it goes to
> D state and unbale to kii that process.

If you have processes stuck in the D state (uninterruptible sleep)
then something bad has happened.  This would indicate a bug.

It sounds like you are having kernel bugs.  You may need to fsck your
filesystems.  I would double check that dma is enabled to your drives.

> I have also tried find with xargs method to remove. It will also take long
> time to complete
> find /directory | xargs rm -rf

I doubt the problem is in rm since it has already been optimized to be
quite fast.  The newer versions have even more optimization.  But it
isn't worth the trouble to do anything other than wait.  Most of the
time will be spent in the kernel organizing the now free blocks.

If you want to experiment you could try find.

  find /directory -depth -delete

That is basically the same as rm -rf but using find only.

Bob

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Re: "hostname" question during Debian installation

2012-02-14 Thread Martin T

Andrei, Tom:

thank you for replies! So am I correct, that hostname set during the
installation is:

1) mapped to an address from 127.0.0.0/8 range in /etc/hosts file
2) written to /etc/mailname
3) written to "message of the day" file
4) usually used in shell prompt(for example "\[\e]0;\u@\h:
\w\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$")

..and this is it? Or did I miss any other uses of the "hostname"? For
some reason I always thought that hostname is definitely used by at
least other hosts in the LAN and local processing running in the
server, but turns out out was wrong(?). I mean one needs to configure
local processes(for example cupsd or snmpd) to use "hostname" IP
address if he wants to- by default they all use 127.0.0.1 which is
mapped to "localhost" in /etc/hosts file.


regards,
martin



Kuupäeval 13. veebruar 2012 15:21 kirjutas Tom H :
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Martin T  wrote:
>
>
>> During Debian installation there is a question about "hostname" using
>> expert installation mode.
>
> In both modes but I don't think that "regular" mode asks you for a domain.
>
>
>> Am I correct, that "hostname" inserted during Debian installation is
>> associated with a local(address from 127.0.0.0/8 range) IP address:
>
> If you choose "DHCP".
>
>
>> martin@martin-ThinkPad-T60:~$ hostname
>> martin-ThinkPad-T60
>> martin@martin-ThinkPad-T60:~$ grep martin-ThinkPad-T60 /etc/hosts
>> 192.168.1.67    martin-ThinkPad-T60
>> ::1     martin-ThinkPad-T60     localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6
>> 127.0.1.1       martin-ThinkPad-T60
>> martin@martin-ThinkPad-T60:~$
>
> You must've set a static IP address after installation because the
> installer doesn't have the "127.0.1.1" line if you set a static IP
> address within it.
>
>
>> ..and it's used by few software programs(for example Apache, MySQL),
>> but hostname is usable only locally and not reachable from any other
>> machine even inside the LAN? In addition, aren't most of the programs
>> using 127.0.0.1 address which is mapped to "localhost" in /etc/hosts
>> file not to hostname I set:
>>
>> <
>> martin@martin-desktop:~$ sudo netstat -lnpt
>> Active Internet connections (only servers)
>> Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address           Foreign Address
>> State       PID/Program name
>> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:8118          0.0.0.0:*
>> LISTEN      1233/polipo
>> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:631           0.0.0.0:*
>> LISTEN      1057/cupsd
>> tcp6       0      0 ::1:631                 :::*
>> LISTEN      1057/cupsd
>> martin@martin-desktop:~$
>>>
>>
>> If yes, then changing the hostname shouldn't break any
>> services/programs associated with it?
>
> You're getting "127.0.0.1" in your netstat output because you're using
> the "-n" switch. Without "-n" you'll get "localhost".
>
> To change your hostname, check "/etc/hostname", "/etc/hosts",  and
> "/etc/mailname".
>
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Re: rm -rf is too slow on large files and directory structure(Around 30000)

2012-02-14 Thread Jochen Spieker

Bilal mk:
> 
> I tried to remove 5GB directory. In that directory around 3 files and
> directory. It will take more than 30 min to complete.
> There is no other cpu intensive process running. After sometime it goes to
> D state and unbale to kii that process.

Removing that many files is I/O bound. The CPU doesn't play any
significant role in it. The only way to speed things up is to either get
faster storage (an SSD with high IOPS value for random writing) or you
can try another filesystem. IIRC XFS is good at what you are doing. I
cannot recommend it, though, as I don't have any recent experience with
it. 

J.
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