Re: Removing KDE messed up the network

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Frank McCormick wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:14:14 -0400
>   Well another 'minor' problem has arisen, probably connected to the
> fact kde-desktop is no longer on my machine. Now Aptitude wants to
> remove all the files I just installed avahi-daemon and its dependecies,
> plus dhcp3-client  I was updating my machine and this is what it
> told me:
> 
> The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:
>   avahi-daemon dhcp3-client libavahi-core4 libdaemon0 
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 1339kB will be freed.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] 
> 
> Anybody know how I can smarten up Aptitude ? It seems to think these 4
> essential ( to my machine ) packages are not needed.

Looks like
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411123

Johannes


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Re: host aliases

[Liam O'Toole]

vOn Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:24:47 -0400
Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:40:13 +0100
> Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > On 20.03.07 15:18, Celejar wrote:
> > > Not sure what you mean. How can I access it directly from the
> > > internet without knowing the IP address or using the long dynamic
> > > DNS name?
> > 
> > put 'search the.dyndns.domain' into your resolv.conf
> 
> 
> Thanks. Works, but it requires that the 'dynalias.org' part stays
> fixed, and that I use it for all hosts I want to access via single
> word hostnames. I'd still be curious about a more general solution to
> do aliasing.
> 
> Celejar
> 
> 

You can put several domains on the 'search ...' line. Obviously the
first match will win. See 'man resolv.conf' for details.

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howto extract all the tar.bz2 files in the same directory?

[Zhengquan Zhang mailing list]

I want to extract lots of tar.bz2 files in one directory, and I want the
extracted files to be of the original names with out the tar.bz2 extension.

Is there a way to extract them all at once?

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Re: Debian for Desktop [Was: Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock]

[Kevin Mark]

On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 09:25:09AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > to happen.  Debian includes desktop users but is not focused on them.
> > But recently there was some interest in a 'desktop' group in debian
> > to focus on this for lenny.
> 
> Do you mean http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop ?
> 
> They are working since sarge was testing, and that is a looong time.
> But some of their goals have been reached.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei
Yes, that is the one. It was because of some recent talk IIRC on -devel
that I should have said 'renewed talk and interest'. Obviously improving
the desktop experience with 16,000 packages is a bit harder than the
1000 that ubuntu uses :-) Not to mention more WMs.
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6 valiosos consejos para alcanzar el éxito en los negocios

[En la Web de PuraWeb.com]

Hola:

A través de años de experiencia en los negocios online he aprendido que el 
éxito no se consigue de la noche a la mañana

Muchas personas creen que con un anuncio publicitario puede convertir su 
negocio en una máquina de hacer dinero. 
Esas cosas solo se encuentran en la imaginación o la falta de ética que tienen 
algunos vendedores de la red tratando de afiliar personas a un programa o 
sistema tipo pirámide que no tiene fundamentos, y muchas veces, ni siquiera se 
conoce lo que se comercializa! 

El verdadero éxito depende de varias cosas. Principalmente: 
- Tener un producto único y de gran demanda. 
- Saber distinguirse de la competencia 
- Enfocarse a un público determinado (no a todo el mundo) 
- Tener un Website configurado para vender online 
- Ofrecer buenos contenidos 
- Ofrecer un Boletín electrónico
- Poner en marcha una campaña de e-mail marketing 

Eso es lo básico y fundamental. 

Pero mas allá de lo elemental, aquí te tienes 6 consejos extras: 
1- 
Elige tu producto cuidadosamente. (no lo elijas tan solo porque te lo ofrecen 
gratuitamente). Recuerda que lo gratis no siempre es gratis! 

Chequea la competencia, fíjate como funcionan esos negocios y si tienen 
respuesta por parte de los visitantes. 

Si eliges un producto de otra empresa, asegúrate que cumple con lo que promete 
y que satisface a los clientes 100 por ciento. Recuerda que tu reputación y la 
de tu negocio está en juego. 

2- 
Te voy a reiterar 1 y 100 veces que la mejor forma de hacer dinero en la red es 
con tu propio producto. Pero asegúrate que es de buena calidad. No sacrifiques 
calidad por rebajar costos o el precio final. 

A las personas les importa mucho la calidad, los beneficios y los “extras” que 
tu producto pueda brindarles y si tu producto es realmente bueno, abonarán el 
precio sin objeciones 

3- 
Provee excelente servicio post-venta, soporte al cliente y una poderosa 
garantía. Hay muchas personas tratando de hacer dinero en la red vendiendo 
productos similares al tuyo. 

La manera de distinguirte del resto y lograr que los potenciales te compren a 
ti (en vez que a la competencia), depende del soporte al cliente y la garantía 
que tenga tu producto. 

4- 
Las personas que recién comienzan un negocio en la red, por lo general no 
tienen mucha paciencia. La mayoría cree que con tan solo tener un website, van 
a conseguir cientos de ventas diariamente. 

Es necesario que comprendas que un negocio DEBE poner en práctica técnicas y 
estrategias de marketing efectivas. Luego, aparecerán los potenciales clientes 
a los que deberás demostrar que eres una persona responsable, confiable y que 
tienes un negocio serio. 

Debes mantener contacto con esas personas, por ejemplo con un boletín 
electrónico o un foro y ofrecer tu producto. Las ventas aparecerán 
indudablemente! 

5- 
Debes invertir mas tiempo que dinero. Si, es cierto. 

En mi caso particular, hace años que no invierto un centavo en publicidad y 
pese a ello, mis negocios funcionan como un reloj suizo. Debes poner tu tiempo 
y tus ganas. Evita la tentación de buscar la forma mas fácil de hacer las 
cosas. 

En lo que respecta a publicidad y promoción, siempre es mejor hacerlo tú 
mismo. Las buenas relaciones comerciales con otras empresas y un buen 
posicionamiento en los buscadores es la base fundamental para conseguir gran 
cantidad de tráfico a CERO costo. 
6- 
Informarse y aprender. Cuanto mas conozcas sobre marketing, técnicas de venta y 
promoción online, mas rápido alcanzarás el éxito. 

Pero asegúrate que esa información sea provista por personas que saben como 
manejar exitosamente un negocio en Internet. 

De lo contrario, perderás mucho tiempo valioso y mucho dinero. 

Pues aunque hay cientos de técnicas gratis, no todas funcionan... y el solo 
hecho de no saber como “tratar” adecuadamente a los potenciales clientes, te 
puede hacer perder mucho dinero en ventas! 

Consejo: 
Puedes trabajar en un proyecto por años, acumular experiencia durante ese 
tiempo y aprender como lograr el éxito. Pero hay muchas personas que ya han 
recorrido ese camino y saben cual es la forma correcta para ganar dinero en 
Internet. 

Toma ventajas y aprende de ellos! Si consideras seriamente construir un negocio 
en la red, deberías invertir algo de dinero en aprender la forma efectiva de 
comercializar para ahorrarte pérdidas de tiempo y dinero... 



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Re: howto extract all the tar.bz2 files in the same directory?

[Martin Marcher]

for i in $(ls *.tar.bz2);do mkdir `echo $i|sed -e 's/.tar.bz2//'; tar
-C `echo $i|sed -e's/.tar.bz2//'` xjf $i ;done

something like that (I'm sure there are ways a lot easier but that's
what I usually do)

* will create a directory named like the tar.bz2 (in case it extracts
to ./ and not to some subdir)
* extract ever foo.tar.bz2 to ./foo/

haven't checked exactly but in general that should do id..

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I want to extract lots of tar.bz2 files in one directory, and I want the
extracted files to be of the original names with out the tar.bz2 extension.

Is there a way to extract them all at once?

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Re: How to run fetchmail as daemon at startup

[Clive Menzies]

On (22/03/07 20:32), Greg Folkert wrote:
> You are fooling yourself. Run them a one shot cronjob set to run every
> 10-30 minutes. Much better use of resources on the machine.
> 
> As I have said before, fetchmail WILL die or hang on you, when run in
> daemon mode.

I may have misunderstood but we've got three IMAP servers and they all
collect email with fetchmail in daemon mode setup in /etc/fetchmailrc.
In the last three years, I've not experienced the problems you indicate.

extract:

# /etc/fetchmailrc for system-wide daemon mode
# This file must be chmod 0600, owner fetchmail

# The default for this option is 300, which polls the server every 5
# minutes.
#
set daemon 300
set postmaster "postmaster"
set properties ""

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Re: How to run fetchmail as daemon at startup

[Jochen Schulz]

Greg Folkert:
> On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 23:26 +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> 
>> Yes. On most peoples' systems there's only a fistful of anyway.
  ^ users
> You are fooling yourself. Run them a one shot cronjob set to run every
> 10-30 minutes. Much better use of resources on the machine.

The fetchmail daemon takes almost no memory nor CPU when idling, so
that's a weak argument for most machines (as long as we're not talking
about wireless routers etc.).

> As I have said before, fetchmail WILL die or hang on you, when run in
> daemon mode.

I /had/ fetchmail running in daemon mode for something between three to
five years and five to ten POP3 accounts, but I have never experienced
the problems you describe. I do still believe, too, that fetchmail isn't
exactly the flagship of Free Software code quality. I have switched my
own POP accounts to getmail a while ago already and just yesterday I
moved my girlfriend's account to getmail, too.

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Older Software and Hardware (was Re: NVIDIA i2c adapter?)

[David Baron]

On Friday 23 March 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> I believe the idea is that the legacy driver as they are calling it will
> >> continue to be updated to keep supporting the older cards at least that
> >> is what I have read on the site whether they do it or not is another
> >> thing...
> >
> > Their "legacy" is for real old stuff. But since I can ignore the "error",
> > I am in no rush to buy a new card. I wish venders that no longer wish to
> > support a piece of hardware or software would release the specs and code
> > to the opensource community. Those who have spare cash to always have the
> > latest and greatest may enjoy this but I do not have the money. I bought
> > the geforce because the ATI I had no longer worked DRI and the needed
> > code was no longer updated for newer Xorg in Sid.
> >
> > I have an older pro sound card with no ALSA because the manufacturer
> > keeps the needed data under lock and key. A reason why I still have
> > windows 98 around. No drivers for anything newer. I like that card and do
> > not like some of the newer ones that I could afford.
>
> I agree with you.  Same could be said for Windows 98 and DOS.
>
> Your soundcard to me sounds like an Ultagravis.  Am I right?
Dman2044. 44.1/16 CD quality and a nice chunky breakout box (rather than a 
mass of flimsy noisy connectors and cables.
Their Delta series is a different chip and has ALSA support.
>
> You know that a lot of apps that won't run on XP will run on 98, and
> also with wine.  I was seriously thinking of putting 98 in a VM and
> running it so I can run Newsleecher.  I wish there was such a program
> for Linux, but I have yet to find anything even close.  Of course it's
> not that big of deal since I can use binsearch.info and hellanzb to do
> everything, but sometimes I miss things because I overlook them on
> binsearch.  Boy is this off-topic.
I have win98 installed with Qemu, also runs of VirtualBox. It is too slow to 
be of use. W2K and other full 32 bit windows will run better on vbox and 
maybe Qemu as well.  WINE is OK except what worked yesterday may not work 
with their latest release (and may work again with a future release).

Re: web browser choices

[Atis]

On 3/20/07, Cassiano Leal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]

Yeah, I really love the fact that I can run 'links2 -g' from the
console, no need for X. And it looks beautiful on my old laptop's
framebuffer!

Cassiano


I knew that a long time ago, but just now tried. It says that can't
find framebuffer device, and its true - i don't have /dev/fb0. Any
clue what kernel module i need for that? I tried loading intelfb, but
i guess just loading won't create a device for me.


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Re: Raid shuts down uncleanly?

[Paul Dwerryhouse]

On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 01:12:02PM +0100, paje wrote:
> The linux RAID howto says you don't need to make swap raid,
> just list the swaps in fstab and just give them the same priority i.e
> /dev/sda2   swap   swapdefaults,pri=1   0 0
> /dev/hdb2   swap   swapdefaults,pri=1   0 0
> /dev/sdc2   swap   swapdefaults,pri=1   0 0

Yes, but doing that won't make for a highly-available server if the
disk dies while the swap on it is being used...

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Re: How to run fetchmail as daemon at startup

[Jochen Schulz]

Ron Johnson:
> 
> [...]  Why created multiple daemons for activity that's going to
> run every X number of minutes, when cron is already specialized for
> that purpose?

It just doesn't hurt. Maybe one could even argue that letting fetchmail
run in daemon mode takes less resources over time than having to start
it periodically (binary/libs fell out of disk cache, rereading of config
files). But fetchmail is really low on resources anyway, so I think it
is not worth "optimizing" the usage model further. At least not on my
machine (P3, 256MB RAM), which is idling most of the time anyway.

Whatever. I am not trying to convince anybody about how to use
fetchmail. Recently,  I have purged it from my system. :)

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Re: Removing KDE messed up the network

[Florian Kulzer]

On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 22:03:38 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:

[...]

> Bottom line, keep KDE off your machine :).

I like the smiley there...

>Seriously, I still don't
> understand why removing kde-desktop pulled off avahi-daemon. I went
> back into the Aptitude log, and confirmed it was one of the packages  it
> removed.

Aptitude did what you told it to do. Let me explain: The avahi-daemon
package was installed on your system as an indirect dependency of the
kdenetwork package, which in turn was installed because the kde
metapackage depends on it. Aptitude keeps track of such automatic
installations of dependencies and in its default configuration it will
remove any automatically installed package which is no longer needed.
(This helps to keep cruft off the system.) So once you remove "kde", no
other package depends on kdenetwork anymore and it will be removed as
well. This eventually leads to the removal of avahi-daemon. (The
intermediate dominoes are the packages kdnssd and libnss-mdns, I think). 

Aptitude is a very powerful tool, but it can probably drive you crazy if
you do not understand its design philosophy. The aptitude-doc package is
available in several languages, and there is also an article on
NewbieDOC which tries to explain the most common pitfalls:

http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Aptitude_-_using_together_with_Synaptic_and_Apt-get

(Things can get even more confusing if you mix aptitude with other
 package managers.)

The fact that your working network connection was broken by installing
and then removing avahi-daemon, on the other hand, sounds like a real
bug. (But it is probably not a bug of aptitude.)

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Re: mozilla-browser and epiphany-browser CORBA

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Both epiphany-browser and mozilla-browser fail at startup with:
** ERROR **: file corba-orb.c: line 360 (CORBA_ORB_init): assertion 
failed: (ORBIT_ALIGNOF_CORBA_DOUBLE > 2)

I'm running Sarge on a M68k Mac with low RAM (24meg) but 750 meg of 
swap. 
Is there a way to get either program to run on this system?


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Re: mozilla-browser and epiphany-browser CORBA

[Kevin Mark]

On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 01:28:04AM -0400, Larry Moore wrote:
> Both epiphany-browser and mozilla-browser fail at startup with:
>   ** ERROR **: file corba-orb.c: line 360 (CORBA_ORB_init): assertion 
>   failed: (ORBIT_ALIGNOF_CORBA_DOUBLE > 2)
> 
> I'm running Sarge on a M68k Mac with low RAM (24meg) but 750 meg of 
> swap. 
> Is there a way to get either program to run on this system?
You should see if you can get links2 to run. 
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Re: Removing KDE messed up the network

[Liam O'Toole]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:32:29 +0100
Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[...]
 
> The fact that your working network connection was broken by installing
> and then removing avahi-daemon, on the other hand, sounds like a real
> bug. (But it is probably not a bug of aptitude.)

If aptitude removed a package because it conflicted with avahi-daemon
or a dependency thereof, would it then restore that package upon
removal of avahi-daemon? If not, I would consider it a bug.

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Re: Older Software and Hardware (was Re: NVIDIA i2c adapter?)

[Joe Hart]

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David Baron wrote:
> On Friday 23 March 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I believe the idea is that the legacy driver as they are calling it will
 continue to be updated to keep supporting the older cards at least that
 is what I have read on the site whether they do it or not is another
 thing...
>>> Their "legacy" is for real old stuff. But since I can ignore the "error",
>>> I am in no rush to buy a new card. I wish venders that no longer wish to
>>> support a piece of hardware or software would release the specs and code
>>> to the opensource community. Those who have spare cash to always have the
>>> latest and greatest may enjoy this but I do not have the money. I bought
>>> the geforce because the ATI I had no longer worked DRI and the needed
>>> code was no longer updated for newer Xorg in Sid.
>>>
>>> I have an older pro sound card with no ALSA because the manufacturer
>>> keeps the needed data under lock and key. A reason why I still have
>>> windows 98 around. No drivers for anything newer. I like that card and do
>>> not like some of the newer ones that I could afford.
>> I agree with you.  Same could be said for Windows 98 and DOS.
>>
>> Your soundcard to me sounds like an Ultagravis.  Am I right?

> Dman2044. 44.1/16 CD quality and a nice chunky breakout box (rather than a 
> mass of flimsy noisy connectors and cables.
> Their Delta series is a different chip and has ALSA support.

Oh well, I was close (not really).

>> You know that a lot of apps that won't run on XP will run on 98, and
>> also with wine.  I was seriously thinking of putting 98 in a VM and
>> running it so I can run Newsleecher.  I wish there was such a program
>> for Linux, but I have yet to find anything even close.  Of course it's
>> not that big of deal since I can use binsearch.info and hellanzb to do
>> everything, but sometimes I miss things because I overlook them on
>> binsearch.  Boy is this off-topic.

> I have win98 installed with Qemu, also runs of VirtualBox. It is too slow to 
> be of use. W2K and other full 32 bit windows will run better on vbox and 
> maybe Qemu as well.  WINE is OK except what worked yesterday may not work 
> with their latest release (and may work again with a future release).

I suppose it all has to do with the speed of the computer you're using
it on (I mean using Windows in a VM).  You're quite right about wine,
that's why I would prefer a VM solution, but then again, the
communication between the VM and the host is not always so strait
forward.  I've never tried VirtualBox, but I do know with VMware, one
has to set a samba share up just so you can "network" the host and the
guest.  Perhaps one of the other VM solutions would be better, but the
ulitmate solution would be to have a program on the GNU/Linux side that
could do what I want.  Perhaps it's time for me to get coding.

Joe

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Nokia connected using USB

[Kancha .]

Hi all:

I attached a Nokia cell phone to a linux system using
the  USB datacable. I plan to use it with kannel
(sms/wap gateway) to send out SMS. The kannel
configuration required the device to be listed as
"device=/dev/xyz" I have no idea on USB device are
treated. What will be the value of the device
parameter.

The data cable CD doesn't have a USB driver for linux.

help needed. I'm using devfs.

thanks,
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Re: howto extract all the tar.bz2 files in the same directory?

[Zhengquan Zhang]

Thank you.
I will have a look of how to write scripts.
On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 10:08:35AM +0100, Martin Marcher wrote:
> for i in $(ls *.tar.bz2);do mkdir `echo $i|sed -e 's/.tar.bz2//'; tar
> -C `echo $i|sed -e's/.tar.bz2//'` xjf $i ;done
> 
> something like that (I'm sure there are ways a lot easier but that's
> what I usually do)
> 
> * will create a directory named like the tar.bz2 (in case it extracts
> to ./ and not to some subdir)
> * extract ever foo.tar.bz2 to ./foo/
> 
> haven't checked exactly but in general that should do id..
> 
> On 3/23/07, Zhengquan Zhang mailing list
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Beep question of Icedove

[Wei Chen]

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Hi,

I know that Icedove will "beep" when a new mail is received.
But sometimes it also beeps when there is no new mail or
anything else. Is there any other case in which Icedove beeps?
Thanks.

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Re: Beep question of Icedove

[Michael Pobega]

On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 07:36:53PM +0800, Wei Chen wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I know that Icedove will "beep" when a new mail is received.
> But sometimes it also beeps when there is no new mail or
> anything else. Is there any other case in which Icedove beeps?
> Thanks.
> 

I notice you're using Gmail. Sometimes when I fetch mail it says I
have 2 new messages, and I actually have 1. I think Gmail does
something that makes the MUA think there is a new message, but there
isn't a new email.

Try another mail host for a day or two and see if it happens, just to
make sure.


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Re: Xserver/KDE problem?

[Mitja Podreka]

Liam O'Toole wrote:

Do you see any error messages on the console when you run 'startx'? Are
there any errors in the files ~/.xsession-errors
and /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
After running startx there is no error message, I see just the end of 
Xorg.0.log file.


~/.xsession-errors is empty

and /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't show any obvious signs of errors (at 
least as far as I know). The file is too big for mailing list so I'm 
sending you just the beginning and the end of the file which have some 
err* hints.


   X Window System Version 7.1.1

   Release Date: 12 May 2006

   X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1

   Build Operating System: UNKNOWN 


   Current Operating System: Linux klopotec 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Wed Feb 21 15:25:16 
UTC 2007 i686

   Build Date: 07 March 2007

Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org

to make sure that you have the latest version.

   Module Loader present

   Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,

(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,

(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.

   (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Thu Mar 22 22:11:29 2007

   (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"

   (==) ServerLayout "Default Layout"


[sic]

   (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Configured Mouse" (type: MOUSE)

   (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Generic Keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD)

xkb_keycodes { include "xfree86+aliases(qwerty)" };

xkb_types { include "complete" };

xkb_compatibility { include "complete" };

xkb_symbols { include "pc(pc105)+us" };

xkb_geometry { include "pc(pc104)" };

   (WW) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap

   (II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded

   FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; 
fixing.

Re: Installation advice needed for a really stable desktop machine

[Michael M.]

On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 12:50 +0100, Joe Hart wrote:

> With 4 GB of RAM, you probably don't need a swap at all.  Since you have
> a duel core machine, make sure you use an smp kernel.  Everything should
> work fine and you'll have a fine system that I and others can be jealous
> over.


I thought all the kernels were SMP-enabled now, no?  Didn't Debian do
away with the distinction between SMP and non-SMP kernels?  At least,
when I look at what's available with aptitude, all the kernel images
labelled with "-smp" are given as "for transition only."


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Re: web browser choices

[Cassiano Leal]

Atis wrote:

On 3/20/07, Cassiano Leal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]

Yeah, I really love the fact that I can run 'links2 -g' from the
console, no need for X. And it looks beautiful on my old laptop's
framebuffer!

Cassiano


I knew that a long time ago, but just now tried. It says that can't
find framebuffer device, and its true - i don't have /dev/fb0. Any
clue what kernel module i need for that? I tried loading intelfb, but
i guess just loading won't create a device for me.


Regards,
Atis


Hmm... I had this problem before. Unfortunatelly, the solution I found 
was to compile a kernel with framebuffer support built in it, not as a 
module.


I'm sure you can do it without recompiling, through some 'mknod' kind of 
magic. Can't help you there, though. If you need help compiling your own 
kernel, I can give you some hints.


Cheers
Cassiano


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Re: Beep question of Icedove

[Joe Hart]

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Wei Chen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I know that Icedove will "beep" when a new mail is received.
> But sometimes it also beeps when there is no new mail or
> anything else. Is there any other case in which Icedove beeps?
> Thanks.
> 

I don't know about what makes it else makes it beep, but I do know you
can change what is does when you receive new mail.  Edit -> Preferences
- -> General - When new messages arrive: Checkboxes and Advanced button.

If you change it to play a .wav file or something when you get new mail,
then you sould be able to isolate what else is making it beep.

Joe

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Re: Beep question of Icedove

[Joe Hart]

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Michael Pobega wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 07:36:53PM +0800, Wei Chen wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I know that Icedove will "beep" when a new mail is received.
>> But sometimes it also beeps when there is no new mail or
>> anything else. Is there any other case in which Icedove beeps?
>> Thanks.
>>
> 
> I notice you're using Gmail. Sometimes when I fetch mail it says I
> have 2 new messages, and I actually have 1. I think Gmail does
> something that makes the MUA think there is a new message, but there
> isn't a new email.
> 
> Try another mail host for a day or two and see if it happens, just to
> make sure.

Could that be because gmail is moving mail that it thinks is spam into
your spam folder that you don't download?  You might really have new
mail, but since google thinks that it is spam, it doesn't send it.

Joe
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Re: Of host

[Marieo Stacy]

We told you watch NNYR Yesterday
+25% in 1 day
It.s only just begun
Northamerican Energy Group Corp.
Symbol : NNYR
5 day Expected : $0.50 ( 500% profit )

Get in tomorrow or get left out!!

This is going to double in next 2 days
Real Comp with Real Products
Get in tomorrow or be left out!!

points - since their 129-127 double-overtime win at Dallas on Wednesday night. basket made it 111-73 heading into the fourth quarter.   ''That's another  Louis Bullock in what the NCAA said was the largest financial scandal in   postseason because of NCAA sanctions.  In four seasons at Seton Hall, Amaker  postseason because of NCAA sanctions.  In four seasons at Seton Hall, Amaker basket made it 111-73 heading into the fourth quarter.   ''That's another   one of the top teams, if not the top team. To beat a team like that is really 38 points entering the fourth quarter against a team that they might face in   postseason because of NCAA sanctions.  In four seasons at Seton Hall, Amaker came together for them.   Anthony drew the foul and some of the loudest cheers 

- Original Message - 
From: "Marieo Stacy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Of host



Ground floor to the future
North american Energy Group Corp
Sym-NNYR
8 Cents is a STEAL
Add this to your radar



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Re: Beep question of Icedove

[Wei Chen]

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Michael Pobega wrote:

> 
> I notice you're using Gmail. Sometimes when I fetch mail it says I
> have 2 new messages, and I actually have 1. I think Gmail does
> something that makes the MUA think there is a new message, but there
> isn't a new email.
> 
> Try another mail host for a day or two and see if it happens, just to
> make sure.
> 
> 
Thanks. Your suggestion leaded me to the account settings. I found that
there seemed to be a problem in one account. It automatically _checked_
new mail but didn't _download_ it. I thought maybe it was this that made
me confused. I corrected this then also disabled the automatic fetch
of Gmail. Then, when I was going to compose a mail to tell you what
I had done, it beeps again...

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Re: Beep question of Icedove

[Wei Chen]

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Joe Hart wrote:
> 
> 
> I don't know about what makes it else makes it beep, but I do know you
> can change what is does when you receive new mail.  Edit -> Preferences
> -> General - When new messages arrive: Checkboxes and Advanced button.
> 
> If you change it to play a .wav file or something when you get new mail,
> then you sould be able to isolate what else is making it beep.
> 
> Joe
> 
Sorry I do not have a speaker here with my desktop. What I can hear from
the computer is only the "beep" ... Maybe I can try to disable the beep
when receiving mail to have a test. Thanks.
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Re: Be hovel

[GChadwick XDavies]

We told you watch NNYR Yesterday
+25% in 1 day
It.s only just begun
Northamerican Energy Group Corp.
Symbol : NNYR
5 day Expected : $0.50 ( 500% profit )

Get in tomorrow or get left out!!

This is going to double in next 2 days
Real Comp with Real Products
Get in tomorrow or be left out!!

the University of Michigan's associate dean of students.  Martin said he had 
the duo's best performance since the holiday trade that brought them together  
previous three games and take it on the road with us.''   The Suns had won 24  
three months ago.   Now, the surging Nuggets hit the road for five straight   
previous three games and take it on the road with us.''   The Suns had won 24  
night.   Carmelo Anthony augmented Iverson's night by adding 29 points in   of 
28 road games and had gone 9-1 against Denver in their past 10 meetings.  its 
history.  Michigan was 18-12 overall and 10-6 during the 2002-03 season 
Detroit. ... The Nuggets play just one more home game before April 4.
exhaustion.   ''We're still feeling it,'' Steve Nash said. ''It was a big win.

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Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Be hovel



Energy is Bottomed out
North american Energy Group Corp
SYmb-N_N_Y_R 
8 Cents is a STEAL

Watch it like a hawk



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Re: Used tasksel to remove packages, now there are dependency issues

[Zbigniew Wiech]

 Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> 1.You run Debian.  You need a mail transport agent.  Many
> scripts are set up to mail information to root.  Without a MTA,
> this doesn't happen.  Out-of-the-box exim4 on Etch will deliver
> local mail only.

Not true. 
If one runs a workstation (like me) there is no real need for exim or 
other MTA:

- workstation user does not and does not need to read root's mail 
- runnig unconfigured MTA loads the system and is one more security issue.

That's why I removed exim off using kpackage (not tasksel)

Etch installs without exim if you deselect ALL items. Then "apt-get 
install" or "aptitude" only packages you need, the rest will be done with 
dependencies. 
After all, automatic dependency tracking is one of best features of 
debian.

regards
zb

Re: Used tasksel to remove packages, now there are dependency issues

[Nigel Henry]

On Friday 23 March 2007 06:54, Glen Pfeiffer wrote:
> Thanks for your help.
>
>  Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > 1.You run Debian.  You need a mail transport agent.  Many
> > scripts are set up to mail information to root.  Without a MTA,
> > this doesn't happen.  Out-of-the-box exim4 on Etch will deliver
> > local mail only.
>
> Ahhh, that explains why my other machine had exim installed by
> default too. Thanks.
>
> > Since networking is notworking, and so many things in *NIX
> > rely on networking even without being connected to a network,
> > you want the minimum trying to run.  Run in single mode
> > (either reboot single or do a shutdown (no -r or -h) to
> > single-user. When done do a full shutdown -r rather than
> > change back to RL 2.
>
> Networking is definitely working as I can access the web.
> "aptitude show openbsd-inetd" showed the status as "partially
> configured".
>
> > Its openbsd-inetd that's messing up the works.  Try
> > reinstall: # apt-get install --reinstall openbsd-inetd
>
> I tried with both apt-get and aptitude and here is the output
> (it's long):
>
> # aptitude reinstall openbsd-inetd
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Reading extended state information
> Initializing package states... Done
> Reading task descriptions... Done
> Building tag database... Done
> The following packages will be REINSTALLED:
>   openbsd-inetd
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to
> remove and 0
> not upgraded.
> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
> Writing extended state information... Done
> Setting up openbsd-inetd (0.20050402-5) ...
> Starting internet superserver: inetdinvoke-rc.d: initscript
> openbsd-inetd,
> action "start" failed.
> dpkg: error processing openbsd-inetd (--configure):
>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1

> Glen

I've just had that problem with openbsd-inetd after an apt-get update, apt-get 
dist-upgrade on Etch.

I resolved it by stopping the daemon using SysV-init Editor, then simply 
running apt-get dist-upgrade again, which then ran to completion.

It would appear that the update for openbsd-inetd wasn't being installed 
properly because the daemon was not being stopped prior to installing the 
update, and is why you see the start failed comment.

Don't know if that's any help.

Nigel.


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Re: Removing KDE messed up the network

[Frank McCormick]

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:17:14 +0100
Johannes Wiedersich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Frank McCormick wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:14:14 -0400
> >   Well another 'minor' problem has arisen, probably connected to the
> > fact kde-desktop is no longer on my machine. Now Aptitude wants to
> > remove all the files I just installed avahi-daemon and its
> > dependecies, plus dhcp3-client  I was updating my machine and
> > this is what it told me:
> > 
> > The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:
> >   avahi-daemon dhcp3-client libavahi-core4 libdaemon0 
> > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not
> > upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 1339kB will
> > be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] 
> > 
> 
> Looks like
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411123
> 


  Well, maybe, but KDE was installed using Aptitude, removed with
Aptitude and Aptitude was used to re-install the stuff it pulled
out removing the KDE desktop.

Cheers


Frank

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Re: Xserver/KDE problem?

[Liam O'Toole]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:36:43 +0100
Mitja Podreka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Liam O'Toole wrote:
> > Do you see any error messages on the console when you run 'startx'?
> > Are there any errors in the files ~/.xsession-errors
> > and /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
> After running startx there is no error message, I see just the end of 
> Xorg.0.log file.
> 
> ~/.xsession-errors is empty
> 
> and /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't show any obvious signs of errors (at 
> least as far as I know). The file is too big for mailing list so I'm 
> sending you just the beginning and the end of the file which have
> some err* hints.
> 

[...]

Can't see anything unusual there. Try searching the file for the string
'(EE)'.

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Re: Xserver/KDE problem?

[Kent West]

Mitja Podreka wrote:

Liam O'Toole wrote:

Do you see any error messages on the console when you run 'startx'? Are
there any errors in the files ~/.xsession-errors
and /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
After running startx there is no error message, I see just the end of 
Xorg.0.log file.


~/.xsession-errors is empty

and /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't show any obvious signs of errors (at 
least as far as I know).


Try putting "xterm" temporarily as the last item in your "~/.xinitrc" 
file (create the file with this single line if it does not exist) and 
try "startx"; let us know what happens.


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Re: Beep question of Icedove

[Wei Chen]

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Joe Hart wrote:

> Could that be because gmail is moving mail that it thinks is spam into
> your spam folder that you don't download?  You might really have new
> mail, but since google thinks that it is spam, it doesn't send it.
> 
> Joe

It seems that gmail puts spams into corresponding folder only if using
the Web interface. With POP3, all mails including spams are downloaded.

BTW, new mail sound was disabled and Icedove has kept quiet for some
time. Next step I will disable auto-fetch for all accounts but one to
test. I hope the problem can be found when all accounts are tested.

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[judd]

On 22 Mar, Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:59:35 -0400 (EDT)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> > ...
>> 
>>  I was referring to the interpretation of the this part of the
>> third convention, itself, which is of course binding on the US:
>> 
>> "Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a 
>> belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy,"
>> belong to any of the categories for POWs, "such persons shall enjoy
>> the protection of the present Convention until such time as their
>> status has been determined by a competent tribunal."
> 
> I understand, but the question is whether the 'international law
> interpretation' of 'competent tribunal' as 'a body of the judicial
> branch' is something to which the US is bound. Incidentally, my
> 'violently' was a poor choice of words; I meant 'vehemently'.
> 
> Celejar
> 
> 

 The convention itself merely states "competent tribunal", without
any further expansion.  I have heard some lawyers state, in radio
interviews, that there are other instruments of international law
(presumably that the US is a party to) which address this issue and
state that it cannot be a part of the executive branch.  I am certainly
not an expert on this issue, but took them at their word.

 At any rate, we'll probably see some US court rulings addressing 
this in the near future.

-Chris


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Re: How to run fetchmail as daemon at startup

[Greg Folkert]

On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 10:24 +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> Greg Folkert:
> > On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 23:26 +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> >> 
> >> Yes. On most peoples' systems there's only a fistful of anyway.
>   ^ users
> > You are fooling yourself. Run them a one shot cronjob set to run every
> > 10-30 minutes. Much better use of resources on the machine.
> 
> The fetchmail daemon takes almost no memory nor CPU when idling, so
> that's a weak argument for most machines (as long as we're not talking
> about wireless routers etc.).
> 
> > As I have said before, fetchmail WILL die or hang on you, when run in
> > daemon mode.
> 
> I /had/ fetchmail running in daemon mode for something between three to
> five years and five to ten POP3 accounts, but I have never experienced
> the problems you describe. I do still believe, too, that fetchmail isn't
> exactly the flagship of Free Software code quality. I have switched my
> own POP accounts to getmail a while ago already and just yesterday I
> moved my girlfriend's account to getmail, too.

Fine and dandy. I am just relaying my experience when supporting about
30 businesses and individuals, using it over the past 7+ years. Every
single one had problems with it over that period, when using daemon
mode.

As soon as I changed it to a cronjob entry, I never got a call about
e-mail not showing up again.

It doesn't really matter, if it works for you, good. If it fails...
don't say I didn't warn you.
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Re: Package database

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 01:31:25PM +0200, ccostin wrote:
> If in mc -> Status  section from /var/lib/dpkg/status , is modified from
> Package: mc
> Status: install ok installed
> Priority: optional
> Section: utils
> 
> into
> Package: mc
> Status: install ok installd <- an error appear installd, instead of 
> installed
> Priority: optional
> Section: utils
> 
> apt-get remove/install any_package won't work (not mc), not even
> apt-get install -f

That happened to me a while ago. I just corrected the file with vim (or
the editor of your choice.) and then tried apt-get ... and everything
was back to normal. Its only a text file after all.

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Re: howto extract all the tar.bz2 files in the same directory?

[Greg Folkert]

On Fri, 2007-03-23 at 16:38 +0800, Zhengquan Zhang mailing list wrote:
> I want to extract lots of tar.bz2 files in one directory, and I want the
> extracted files to be of the original names with out the tar.bz2 extension.
> 
> Is there a way to extract them all at once?

First:
apt-get install unp bzip2

Then:
unp *.tar.bz

That should do it for you.
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Re: Removing KDE messed up the network

[Florian Kulzer]

On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 10:07:06 +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:32:29 +0100 Florian Kulzer wrote:
> 
> [...]
>  
> > The fact that your working network connection was broken by installing
> > and then removing avahi-daemon, on the other hand, sounds like a real
> > bug. (But it is probably not a bug of aptitude.)
> 
> If aptitude removed a package because it conflicted with avahi-daemon
> or a dependency thereof, would it then restore that package upon
> removal of avahi-daemon? If not, I would consider it a bug.

To my knowledge, aptitude does not do that. I never saw anything like a
"removed due to conflict" flag for not-installed packages. I think the
package dependencies are supposed to take care of the problem which you
pointed out: If package A kicks package B off the system then A
(hopefully) will provide equivalent functionality, or your system is
broken right away without further actions of aptitude. In that case I
would expect that the same dependencies which initially put B on your
system will now keep A installed until it is really not needed anymore.
Maybe there should be a mechanism to ensure that, if B was installed
manually, A inherits this property even if it was installed
automatically to satisfy a dependency. I don't really know if this makes
sense within the Debian policy framework, though. (I have been meaning
to read this documentation for a long time, but I never managed to do so
up to now.)

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Re: How to run fetchmail as daemon at startup

[judd]

On 22 Mar, Celejar wrote:
> 
> ...
> 

> 
> I use getmail, which is not even designed to run as a daemon. From the
> FAQ:
> 
>> How do I run getmail in "daemon" mode?
>> 
>>Use your system's cron utility to run getmail periodically if you
>>wish to have mail retrieved automatically at intervals. This is
>>precisely what cron is designed to do; there's no need to add
>>special code to getmail to do this.
>> 
>>With a reasonably standard system cron utility, a crontab(5) entry
>>like the following will make getmail retrieve mail every hour:
>> 
>>  0 * * * * /usr/local/bin/getmail --quiet
> 
> Celejar
> 
> 

 What advantages are there to getmail?  I've run fetchmail 
successfully in daemon mode, with the only problem being that it doesn't
always download all the messages in one shot.  I'm not a big advocate
of it, however, it just works ok for me.  I may play around with getmail
to see if it's better for me with regards to the download issue.

 What happens if getmail (or fetchmail for that matter) gets called
by cron when another instance is still running, due to network issues
or huge attachments?  This used to be more of an issue when we had
dialup, and  I'd limit the message size in fetchmail.

 Can either getmail or fetchmail be configured to leave the messages
(read or unread) on the server until they've been there for a certain
time period?  

-Chris


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Re: Removing KDE messed up the network

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Frank McCormick wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:17:14 +0100
> Johannes Wiedersich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Looks like
>> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411123
> 
> 
> 
>   Well, maybe, but KDE was installed using Aptitude, removed with
> Aptitude and Aptitude was used to re-install the stuff it pulled
> out removing the KDE desktop.

If you haven't used apt-get (or another packet management tool) in
between, then it's not that bug but still rather strange. Well at least
it could be fixed rather easily.

Aptitude normally doesn't do nasty things to you. And if it does it asks
"Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]". And if it breaks anything, usually
it can be fixed with aptitude. Not too bad, after all.

Johannes


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Re: Favorite Email/Calender/PIM and Why

[Celejar]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:35:39 +0200
Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> Why not? other MUAs do it just fine (sylpheed for example). I have a 14" 
> screen
> so for proper use of screen real estate I open the messages in a new window, I
> then want to be able to just press next to go through all the messages in the
> thread without having to close and open windows each time.

I use Sylpheed and I can't figure out how to do that; I really wish I
could. Pointer? I see no 'Next' button or menu option anywhere in the
new window Sylpheed opens. Are you using old Sylpheed or Claws?

Celejar


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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Celejar]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:33:15 -0400 (EDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On 22 Mar, Celejar wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:59:35 -0400 (EDT)
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> >> > ...
> >> 
> >>  I was referring to the interpretation of the this part of the
> >> third convention, itself, which is of course binding on the US:
> >> 
> >> "Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a 
> >> belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy,"
> >> belong to any of the categories for POWs, "such persons shall enjoy
> >> the protection of the present Convention until such time as their
> >> status has been determined by a competent tribunal."
> > 
> > I understand, but the question is whether the 'international law
> > interpretation' of 'competent tribunal' as 'a body of the judicial
> > branch' is something to which the US is bound. Incidentally, my
> > 'violently' was a poor choice of words; I meant 'vehemently'.
> > 
> > Celejar
> > 
> > 
> 
>  The convention itself merely states "competent tribunal", without
> any further expansion.  I have heard some lawyers state, in radio
> interviews, that there are other instruments of international law
> (presumably that the US is a party to) which address this issue and
> state that it cannot be a part of the executive branch.  I am certainly
> not an expert on this issue, but took them at their word.
> 
>  At any rate, we'll probably see some US court rulings addressing 
> this in the near future.

I think we're pretty much on the same page here. I agree that the crux
of the matter is the definition of 'competent tribunal'; I'm just more
skeptical than you are of the view of the lawyers that *binding*
international law requires that the tribunal not be a part of the
executive. Liberal thinkers in general have a much more expansive view
of the binding nature of international law (even when we haven't
signed the relevant accord) than I do.

Celejar


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Re: Removing KDE messed up the network

[Frank McCormick]

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:07:06 +
Liam O'Toole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:32:29 +0100
> Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> [...]
>  
> > The fact that your working network connection was broken by
> > installing and then removing avahi-daemon, on the other hand,
> > sounds like a real bug. (But it is probably not a bug of aptitude.)
> 
> If aptitude removed a package because it conflicted with avahi-daemon
> or a dependency thereof, would it then restore that package upon
> removal of avahi-daemon? If not, I would consider it a bug.



   The strange thing is I **think** avahi-daemon was installed
**before** KDE desktop was put on the machine. What I find strange is
that Aptitude removed it when it wasn't installed as part of KDE.
Removing it was one thing - the network broke when the boot scripts
called a script that's apparently part of the avahi-daemon package. Then
DHCP stopped running, I guess because of the errors the boot script
returned. I find the whole scenario utterly confusing.


Cheers 

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Re: How to run fetchmail as daemon at startup

[Celejar]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:00:14 -0400 (EDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On 22 Mar, Celejar wrote:
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> 
> > 
> > I use getmail, which is not even designed to run as a daemon. From the

[snip]
 
>  What advantages are there to getmail?  I've run fetchmail 
> successfully in daemon mode, with the only problem being that it doesn't
> always download all the messages in one shot.  I'm not a big advocate
> of it, however, it just works ok for me.  I may play around with getmail
> to see if it's better for me with regards to the download issue.

I'm not much of an expert, but here's an excerpt from the getmail FAQ:

> Why did you write getmail? Why not just use fetchmail?
> 
>Short answer: ... well, the short answer is mostly unprintable. The long
>answer is ... well, long:
> 
>I do not like some of the design choices which were made with fetchmail.
>getmail does things a little differently, and for my purposes, better. In
>addition, most people find getmail easier to configure and use than
>fetchmail. Perhaps most importantly, getmail goes to great lengths to
>ensure that mail is never lost, while fetchmail (in its default
>configuration) frequently loses mail, causes mail loops, bounces
>legitimate messages, and causes many other problems.
> 
>When people have pointed out problems in fetchmail's design and
>implementation, it's maintainer has frequently ignored them, or (worse
>yet) gone in the completely wrong direction in the name of "fixing" the
>problems. For instance, fetchmail's configuration file syntax has been
>criticized as being needlessly difficult to write; instead of cleaning up
>the syntax, the maintainer instead included a GUI
>configuration-file-writing program, leading to comments like:
> 
>  The punchline is that fetchmail sucks, even if it does have
>  giddily-engineered whizbang configurator apps.

>  As an example, Dan Bernstein, author of qmail and other software packages,
>once noted to the qmail list:
> 
>  Last night, [EMAIL PROTECTED] reinjected thirty old messages from
>  various authors to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  This sort of idiocy happens much more often than most subscribers know,
>  thanks to a broken piece of software by Eric Raymond called fetchmail.
>  Fortunately, qmail and ezmlm have loop-prevention mechanisms that stop
>  these messages before they are distributed to subscribers. The messages
>  end up bouncing to the wrong place, thanks to another fetchmail bug, but
>  at least the mailing list is protected.
> 
>  --D. J. Bernstein
> 
>The maintainer also ignored dozens of complaints about fetchmail's
>behaviour, stating (by fiat) that fetchmail was bug-free and had entered
>"maintenance mode", allowing him to ignore further bug reports.
> 
>fetchmail's default configuration values frequently cause lost or
>misdirected mail, and seem to be chosen to cause maximum pain and
>inconvenience. From fetchmail's to-do file (emphasis mine):

>Maybe refuse multidrop configuration unless "envelope" is _explicitly_
>  configured ... This would prevent a significant class of
>  shoot-self-in-foot problems.
> 
>  perhaps treat a delivery as "temporarily failed" ... This is so you
>  don't lose mail if you configure the wrong envelope header.
> 
>fetchmail is famous for mangling messages it retrieves, rather than
>leaving them alone as a mail-handling program should. getmail will add
>trace information to messages (so you can see what happened, and when),
>but will otherwise leave message content alone.
> 
>In addition, fetchmail has a long history of security problems:
> 
>  * versions released before 20 June 2001 contain a buffer overflow, which
>can be remotely exploited (see www.securityfocus.com/bid/2877 for
>details). getmail is not vulnerable to buffer overflows, because
>buffers in Python are dynamically sized.
>  * Another remotely-exploitable security hole discovered in fetchmail in
>June 2002; versions prior to 5.9.10 (released in June 2002) are
>exploitable .
>  * Reading fetchmail's UPDATES file, it appears that another security
>problem was fixed in 5.9.12, where a server could crash fetchmail on
>64-bit platforms. Also worrying is a mention that it includes a fix
>for "password shrouding".
>  * Another remotely-exploitable security hole in fetchmail discovered in
>September 2002; this hole lets an attacker run arbitrary code on the
>victim's computer.
>  * Another remotely-exploitable security hole in fetchmail discovered in
>December 2002; once again, a remote attacker can run arbitrary code on
>the machine running fetchmail in its default configuration. See this
>advisory for details.
>  * January 2003: More buffer overflows in fetchmail let attackers run

ACPI Problems [was: Re: Speeding up boot time]

[Cassiano Leal]

Cassiano Leal wrote:

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Cassiano Leal wrote:
Just one thing, though... When I 'echo -n mem > /sys/power/state', it 
responds it can't write to the file. 'echo -n disk > 
/sys/power/state' works flawlessly, though.


You are missing suspend-to-ram (S3) functionality in the kernel or in 
your

ACPI system.


I'll check that when I get back home.

I'm pretty sure that I have all ACPI options compiled as modules in the 
kernel, though. What do you mean by 'your ACPI system'? Some sort of 
BIOS setting?


Thanks for the reply!
Cassiano


I didn't have ACPI on in my BIOS. After activating it, dmesg shows ACPI 
supporting S0, S1, S2, S4, S5 and S6, but not S3. Is this a 
hardware/BIOS limitation, or can it be overcome in software?


One more thing... When I am not using ACPI, everything seems to work 
fine. When I start using it, the keyboard and touchpad become less 
responsive.


Basically, it just ignores some typed keys and touchpad 
movements/clicks. It is really annoying to have to go through the keys 
one by one, in slow motion, and verifying if there was a response to 
each one of them.


Right now, I have ACPI off and have to suspend the PC via command line. 
With ACPI, I had the power button set up to do this.


Thanks for any insights!
Cassiano Leal


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Re: Removing KDE messed up the network

[Frank McCormick]

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:05:48 +0100
Johannes Wiedersich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Frank McCormick wrote:
> > On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:17:14 +0100
> > Johannes Wiedersich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Looks like
> >> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411123
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   Well, maybe, but KDE was installed using Aptitude, removed with
> > Aptitude and Aptitude was used to re-install the stuff it pulled
> > out removing the KDE desktop.
> 
> If you haven't used apt-get (or another packet management tool) in
> between, then it's not that bug but still rather strange. Well at
> least it could be fixed rather easily.



   Aptitude was the only package manager used on this machine following
the advice of several users. Easily? Well I was lucky to have a
Ubuntu Dapper installation on another partition so I could retrieve the
needed packages and install them. But booting and rebooting countless
times over a 2 hour time period hardly defines "easily" :)

> 
> Aptitude normally doesn't do nasty things to you. And if it does it
> asks "Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]". 


  The only Y/n question is got was when I asked it to remove KDE :)

>And if it breaks anything,
> usually it can be fixed with aptitude. Not too bad, after all.

  Well, having this list available certainly made things a little
better. 


Cheers

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Re: Favorite Email/Calender/PIM and Why

[dave]

on Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 08:36:41PM -0400 Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
 
> Yeah, but it lacks a decent text editor.
> 
> * ducks *

Old, old... but still funny...

Ciao,

Dave


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Re: How to run fetchmail as daemon at startup

[Celejar]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:09:00 -0400
Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 20:45 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:32:55 -0400
> > Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 23:26 +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> > > > Ron Johnson:
> > > > > On 03/22/07 09:39, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> If your /etc/fetchmailrc is empty anyway, you can edit
> > > > >> /etc/default/fetchmail to disable the system-wide fetchmail daemon
> > > > >> altogether. This solution has the advantage, that every user can 
> > > > >> manage
> > > > >> his/her own POP accounts (without the admin knowing their passwords),
> > > > >> but the disadvantage is that you have a fetchmail process for every
> > > > >> user.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Are you talking about having a fetchmail daemon for *each* user?
> > > > 
> > > > Yes. On most peoples' systems there's only a fistful of anyway.
> > > 
> > > You are fooling yourself. Run them a one shot cronjob set to run every
> > > 10-30 minutes. Much better use of resources on the machine.
> > > 
> > > As I have said before, fetchmail WILL die or hang on you, when run in
> > > daemon mode.
> > 
> > monit [0] ?
> > 
> 
> All that is telling you that it DID do it oopsie. I want something that
> just plain works. Using a cron driven fetchmail works, daemon mode
> suxxorz. 

I agree that something that actually works is better; I just mean that
monit could restart fetchmail for you if it dies.

> 
> Not to be glib here, but look who writes fetchmail... the self
> proscribed bestestest programmer in the world. This is the best example
> of a program he writes to preach to the whole world?

Hey, I'm aware of this issue; look at the long excerpt from the getmail
FAQ I quoted elsewhere in this thread. That's why I use getmail.
[Although to be fair, I don't know enough to judge whether that
indictment of fetchmail is fair; I haven't seen Eric Raymond's
response / rebuttal.]

 
> I can do as good, with shell. I have in some instances.

I can't, but with some more work on my mad perl skillz, maybe I'll also
soon be able to.

Celejar


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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[judd]

On 23 Mar, Celejar wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:33:15 -0400 (EDT)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> ...
 
>>  The convention itself merely states "competent tribunal",
>> without any further expansion.  I have heard some lawyers state, in
>> radio interviews, that there are other instruments of international
>> law (presumably that the US is a party to) which address this issue
>> and state that it cannot be a part of the executive branch.  I am
>> certainly not an expert on this issue, but took them at their word.
>> 
>>  At any rate, we'll probably see some US court rulings addressing 
>> this in the near future.
> 
> I think we're pretty much on the same page here. I agree that the crux
> of the matter is the definition of 'competent tribunal'; I'm just more
> skeptical than you are of the view of the lawyers that *binding*
> international law requires that the tribunal not be a part of the
> executive. Liberal thinkers in general have a much more expansive view
> of the binding nature of international law (even when we haven't
> signed the relevant accord) than I do.
> 
> Celejar
> 
> 

   I agree with you that we are only bound under Article 6 of the
constitution to agreements that we are a signatory to.  Congress can
also enact laws to bring US law into accord with other treaties.  For
example the US War Crimes act refers to violations of the Geneva 
conventions and other agreements.  I'm not sure if this is the case with
respect to the tribunal issue, but as I said, we'll probably see it
tested soon.

-Chris
 

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Re: host aliases

[Celejar]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:25:44 +
Liam O'Toole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> vOn Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:24:47 -0400
> Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:40:13 +0100
> > Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > > On 20.03.07 15:18, Celejar wrote:
> > > > Not sure what you mean. How can I access it directly from the
> > > > internet without knowing the IP address or using the long dynamic
> > > > DNS name?
> > > 
> > > put 'search the.dyndns.domain' into your resolv.conf
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks. Works, but it requires that the 'dynalias.org' part stays
> > fixed, and that I use it for all hosts I want to access via single
> > word hostnames. I'd still be curious about a more general solution to
> > do aliasing.
> > 
> > Celejar
> > 
> > 
> 
> You can put several domains on the 'search ...' line. Obviously the
> first match will win. See 'man resolv.conf' for details.

I know. The problem is that if there are several hosts with different
domains / subdomains, there will be needless lookups, wasting time and
bandwidth (perhaps not a lot of it, but still). Even worse, say I
control 'foo.dynalias.org' and 'bar.dyndns.org', but someone else
controls 'foo.dyndns.org' and 'bar.dynalias.org'. Then regardless of
which subdomain is first in 'resolv.conf', I'll get incorrect matches,
which is obviously totally unacceptable. At this point, I have various
workarounds for my needs (so far I only need ssh anyway, so I can just
use ssh aliasing, as in my earlier posts), but I'm still really curious
about a general, reasonably elegant solution.

Celejar


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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Celejar]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:37:26 -0400 (EDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On 23 Mar, Celejar wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:33:15 -0400 (EDT)
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > ...
>  
> >>  The convention itself merely states "competent tribunal",
> >> without any further expansion.  I have heard some lawyers state, in
> >> radio interviews, that there are other instruments of international
> >> law (presumably that the US is a party to) which address this issue
> >> and state that it cannot be a part of the executive branch.  I am
> >> certainly not an expert on this issue, but took them at their word.
> >> 
> >>  At any rate, we'll probably see some US court rulings addressing 
> >> this in the near future.
> > 
> > I think we're pretty much on the same page here. I agree that the crux
> > of the matter is the definition of 'competent tribunal'; I'm just more
> > skeptical than you are of the view of the lawyers that *binding*
> > international law requires that the tribunal not be a part of the
> > executive. Liberal thinkers in general have a much more expansive view
> > of the binding nature of international law (even when we haven't
> > signed the relevant accord) than I do.
> > 
> > Celejar
> > 
> > 
> 
>I agree with you that we are only bound under Article 6 of the
> constitution to agreements that we are a signatory to.  Congress can
> also enact laws to bring US law into accord with other treaties.  For
> example the US War Crimes act refers to violations of the Geneva 
> conventions and other agreements.  I'm not sure if this is the case with
> respect to the tribunal issue, but as I said, we'll probably see it
> tested soon.

So we'll mark this 'To be continued' ...

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Re: Installation advice needed for a really stable desktop machine

[Land Haj]

>I thought all the kernels were SMP-enabled now, no?  Didn't Debian do
>away with the distinction between SMP and non-SMP kernels?  At least,
>when I look at what's available with aptitude, all the kernel images
>labelled with "-smp" are given as "for transition only."

Unless I'm mistaken the 486 kernel that came with my i386 installation was not 
smp enabled. I did cat /proc/cpuinfo and could only see one processor running.

However, I did as Andrei Popescu suggested and installed the -k7-smp kernel, 
which seems to work just fine. I also tried the -686-smp kernel, and it worked 
too. I feel really dumb, because I didn't know my amd64 processor could use 
kernel variants that were optimized for other processors. I take it the k7 
kernel is preferable to the 686 one, since my processor is Athlon?

Anyway, thanks a lot for helping me out with this! I'm almost done setting up 
stuff the way I want it. Using a fresh debian desktop is like diving into cool, 
clean water on a hot summers day :).

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Re: Beep question of Icedove

[Celejar]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:48:02 +0800
Wei Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Joe Hart wrote:
> 
> > Could that be because gmail is moving mail that it thinks is spam into
> > your spam folder that you don't download?  You might really have new
> > mail, but since google thinks that it is spam, it doesn't send it.
> > 
> > Joe
> 
> It seems that gmail puts spams into corresponding folder only if using
> the Web interface. With POP3, all mails including spams are downloaded.

This is incorrect (at least for me). Gmail keeps thousands of spam
messages in the Spam folder and doesn't send them when I use POP
access. Of course, I still get the spam that makes it to the Inbox.

Celejar


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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

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>I agree with you that we are only bound under Article 6 of the
> constitution to agreements that we are a signatory to.  Congress can

Signatory?  Or ratified?

> also enact laws to bring US law into accord with other treaties.  For
> example the US War Crimes act refers to violations of the Geneva 
> conventions and other agreements.  I'm not sure if this is the case with
> respect to the tribunal issue, but as I said, we'll probably see it
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Re: Used tasksel to remove packages, now there are dependency issues

[Celejar]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:15:53 +0100
Zbigniew Wiech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > 1.You run Debian.  You need a mail transport agent.  Many
> > scripts are set up to mail information to root.  Without a MTA,
> > this doesn't happen.  Out-of-the-box exim4 on Etch will deliver
> > local mail only.
> 
> Not true. 
> If one runs a workstation (like me) there is no real need for exim or 
> other MTA:
> 
> - workstation user does not and does not need to read root's mail 

Cron reports problems by mail; I think that's why it recommends an MTA.

Celejar


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Re: How to run fetchmail as daemon at startup

[judd]

On 23 Mar, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:00:14 -0400 (EDT)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> ...

> Getmail can do something like this (I'm not sure if this is exactly
> what you want). From the configuration documentation:
> 
>>The optional options section of the rc file can be used to alter
>>getmail's default behaviour. The parameters supported in this
>>section are as follows:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>  * delete_after (integer) -- if set, getmail will delete messages
>>this number of days after first seeing them, if they have been
>>retrieved and delivered. This, in effect, leaves messages on
>>the server for a configurable number of days after retrieving
>>them. Note that the delete parameter has higher priority; if
>>both are set, the messages will be deleted immediately.
>>Default: 0, which means not to enable this feature.
> 
> HTH,
> Celejar
> 
> 

 Thanks, that's exactly what I want to do.  I sometimes access my
home email while at work via the web interface, and if my wife or kids
are at home using the computer, fetchmail may download and delete it.
Or I could download it at night and not have time to respond.  I know
that I could set fetchmail to not delete the messages and do it
manually from the web interface, but I'd rather not do it that way.

 I hadn't seen a way to do this delayed deletion easily with
fetchmail, although I may not have looked thoroughly.

-Chris


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Re: web browser choices

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

I'm sure you can do it without recompiling, through some 'mknod' kind of
magic. Can't help you there, though. If you need help compiling your own
kernel, I can give you some hints.


But nowadays, with things like udev, it its perfectly possible that the
device will be created simply by loading a module, is it not?
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Re: Beep question of Icedove

[Matthew K Poer]

Celejar wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:48:02 +0800
Wei Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


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Joe Hart wrote:


Could that be because gmail is moving mail that it thinks is spam into
your spam folder that you don't download?  You might really have new
mail, but since google thinks that it is spam, it doesn't send it.

Joe

It seems that gmail puts spams into corresponding folder only if using
the Web interface. With POP3, all mails including spams are downloaded.


This is incorrect (at least for me). Gmail keeps thousands of spam
messages in the Spam folder and doesn't send them when I use POP
access. Of course, I still get the spam that makes it to the Inbox.

Celejar



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Re: Used tasksel to remove packages, now there are dependency issues

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 10:54:51PM -0700, Glen Pfeiffer wrote:
 
> Networking is definitely working as I can access the web.
> "aptitude show openbsd-inetd" showed the status as "partially
> configured".
> 
> > Its openbsd-inetd that's messing up the works.  Try
> > reinstall: # apt-get install --reinstall openbsd-inetd
> 
> I tried with both apt-get and aptitude and here is the output
> (it's long):
> 
[snip: apt runs /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd start, and start fails]

Since apt doesn't give us the output, try starting it directly:

#/etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd start

and watch the output.

Also, immediatly after:

#tail -n 25 /var/log/syslog

and see if there's any help there.

Good luck,

Doug.


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Re: howto extract all the tar.bz2 files in the same directory?

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 04:38:29PM +0800, Zhengquan Zhang mailing list wrote:
> I want to extract lots of tar.bz2 files in one directory, and I want the
> extracted files to be of the original names with out the tar.bz2 extension.
> 
> Is there a way to extract them all at once?

There was a thread on this list a couple of weeks ago.  It involved
something like:

ls -1 *.tar.bz2 | xargs tar -xjvf

so check the archives.

Doug.


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Re: Favorite Email/Calender/PIM and Why

[Brad Rogers]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:30:47 -0400
Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Celejar,

> I use Sylpheed and I can't figure out how to do that; I really wish I
> could. Pointer? I see no 'Next' button or menu option anywhere in the
> new window Sylpheed opens. Are you using old Sylpheed or Claws?

Go to "Configuration/Preferences..." then "Customise Toolbars/Message
Window".  Here you can add any buttons you wish.  Select the action you
want, the icon you desire and the text to be added, and then add the
lost to the Toolbar.  Any keyboard shortcut you have set will also be
assigned.

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Re: web browser choices

[Atis]

> I'm sure you can do it without recompiling, through some 'mknod' kind of
> magic. Can't help you there, though. If you need help compiling your own
> kernel, I can give you some hints.
But nowadays, with things like udev, it its perfectly possible that the
device will be created simply by loading a module, is it not?


Well, i have no clue how udev is working. i remember in some old days
i had to do some mknod with some magic numbers, but now it really
should be handled by some udev. i have it running, even restarted it,
but still no signs of /dev/fb*


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Re: Favorite Email/Calender/PIM and Why

[Celejar]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:23:14 +
Brad Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:30:47 -0400
> Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Hello Celejar,
> 
> > I use Sylpheed and I can't figure out how to do that; I really wish I
> > could. Pointer? I see no 'Next' button or menu option anywhere in the
> > new window Sylpheed opens. Are you using old Sylpheed or Claws?
> 
> Go to "Configuration/Preferences..." then "Customise Toolbars/Message
> Window".  Here you can add any buttons you wish.  Select the action you
> want, the icon you desire and the text to be added, and then add the
> lost to the Toolbar.  Any keyboard shortcut you have set will also be
> assigned.

Thanks. Perhaps I'm just slow today, but neither under 'Conf/Common
Prefs' nor under 'Conf/Prefs for current account' can I find 'Customize
Toolbars/Msg window'. Another hint? I'm using regular Sylpheed, not
Claws.

Celejar


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IceDove lost startup flags?

[Matthew K Poer]

Debian Sarge, with IceDove version 1.5.0.8 (20061208) via backports.org.

With the Lightning extension, IceDove/Thunderbird should be able to use
the -calendar flag to start in calendar mode
(http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/faq.html#shortcut). Also,
according to icedove --help, these flags should work.
  -jsconsole   Open the JavaScript console.
  -addressbook Open the address book at startup.
  -compose Compose a mail or news message.
  -mailOpen the mail folder view.
  -options Open the options dialog.
  -newsOpen the news client.

However, when I attempt to start icedove with some of these flags, they
do not work. I get an error message "Warning: unrecognized command line
flag -mail"

-mail -calendar -jconsole do not work.
-addressbook -compose -news -options do work.

Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps, -mail never worked, because mail view is the 
default, -calendar doesn't work beccause it is a Tbird extension, and 
-jconsole doesn't work... I can't think of a reason for that, actually.


Am I crazy, or is this a bug, or what? If it is a bug, is it an IceDove 
bug, or a Lightning extension bug?






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Re: Beep question of Icedove

[Wei Chen]

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Celejar wrote:

> 
> This is incorrect (at least for me). Gmail keeps thousands of spam
> messages in the Spam folder and doesn't send them when I use POP
> access. Of course, I still get the spam that makes it to the Inbox.
> 
> Celejar
> 
> 
That is strange. I got those "of host" and "be hovel" ones into icedove
box for example. Maybe this is due to a setting that I am not sure.

BTW, it still keeps beeping even if I disable auto-check and
auto-download for all accounts.

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Re: web browser choices

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Atis wrote:
>>>I knew that a long time ago, but just now tried. It says that can't
>>>find framebuffer device, and its true - i don't have /dev/fb0. Any
>>>clue what kernel module i need for that? I tried loading intelfb, but
>>>i guess just loading won't create a device for me.
>> > I'm sure you can do it without recompiling, through some 'mknod'
>> kind of
>> > magic. Can't help you there, though. If you need help compiling your
>> own
>> > kernel, I can give you some hints.
>> But nowadays, with things like udev, it its perfectly possible that the
>> device will be created simply by loading a module, is it not?
> 
> Well, i have no clue how udev is working. i remember in some old days
> i had to do some mknod with some magic numbers, but now it really
> should be handled by some udev. i have it running, even restarted it,
> but still no signs of /dev/fb*

framebuffer is not a device in that respect. /dev/fb* is reffering to a
floppy drive.  What links is telling you is it can't find the
framebuffer in your video card.  I don't know how to fix that issue, but
I thought I would clarify for you that it isn't the floppy that it's
looking for.

Joe

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Re: How to run fetchmail as daemon at startup

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 10:24:54AM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> 
> The fetchmail daemon takes almost no memory nor CPU when idling, so
> that's a weak argument for most machines (as long as we're not talking
> about wireless routers etc.).
> 
True.  However, his earlier point about fetchmail's daemon functionality
reinventing cron is quite strong.  If it is not waiting for anything
incoming, there is really not a good reason for it to implement its own
daemon functionality.

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Re: Beep question of Icedove

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> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:48:02 +0800
> Wei Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Joe Hart wrote:
>>
>>> Could that be because gmail is moving mail that it thinks is spam into
>>> your spam folder that you don't download?  You might really have new
>>> mail, but since google thinks that it is spam, it doesn't send it.
>>>
>>> Joe
>> It seems that gmail puts spams into corresponding folder only if using
>> the Web interface. With POP3, all mails including spams are downloaded.
> 
> This is incorrect (at least for me). Gmail keeps thousands of spam
> messages in the Spam folder and doesn't send them when I use POP
> access. Of course, I still get the spam that makes it to the Inbox.
> 
> Celejar
> 
> 

I don't pop my gmail account, so I don't know for sure, but I do think I
remember a setting on the pop forward page letting you configure exactly
what to allow you to fetch.  Thanks for confirming my thoughts Celejar.

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Re: Speeding up boot time

[Celejar]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:56:10 -0600
John Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wednesday 21 March 2007 20:19, Michael Pobega wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 09:05:55PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

[snip]

> > > BTW, where's your MTA?  I don't see exim4 or postfix.
> >
> > I just use Google's SMTP server, I have no need to have my own
> > outgoing server.
> >
> > What are the advantages to running an MTA? What are the disadvantages?
> 
> advantages:
>   running a local mta for reporting issues with your system, i.e. 
> logcheck, 
> rkhunter and having the results mailed to you.  It can be configured to just 
> do local delivery and with exim4 and the debconf questions that are asked, it 
> is very easy to configure for local delivery.

Also, if you use multiple MUA's (or even things like reportbug), you
can tell them all to use the local MTA, rather than configuring each
one separately.

> 
> disadvantages:
>   one more thing to worry about, but with a local delivery configuration 
> I 
> can't see any disadvantages.

Disadvantage of my above suggestion: single point of failure. It can be
useful to have multiple means of email access in case something goes
wrong with one of them.

Celejar


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Samba 3.0.24 with Vista Using Debian Etch 2.6.18-47-686 SMP

[Jean-Louis Crouzet]

Hi all,

might be the wrong NG for such request but I'm not willing to get into a 
MSFT one!


Problem:
Using a recent Vista Family premium, I could not see the content on a 
Samba shared folder (folder could be opened but i's empty...). Same 
works when used by other XP or NT Windows based PC.

I presume the tunning has to be on Vista rather the Linux Samba PC!

Any hint?

Thanks and have a nice weekend.
JL


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Re: Beep question of Icedove

[Celejar]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:36:52 +0800
Wei Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Celejar wrote:
> 
> > 
> > This is incorrect (at least for me). Gmail keeps thousands of spam
> > messages in the Spam folder and doesn't send them when I use POP
> > access. Of course, I still get the spam that makes it to the Inbox.
> > 
> > Celejar
> > 
> > 
> That is strange. I got those "of host" and "be hovel" ones into icedove
> box for example. Maybe this is due to a setting that I am not sure.

Some spam makes it past Gmail's spam filter. Look in the spam folder in
the web interface to see how much doesn't. You should anyway do that
regularly because Gmail gets some false positives.

Celejar


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Re: Beep question of Icedove

[Atis]

> This is incorrect (at least for me). Gmail keeps thousands of spam
> messages in the Spam folder and doesn't send them when I use POP
> access. Of course, I still get the spam that makes it to the Inbox.
>
> Celejar



I don't pop my gmail account, so I don't know for sure, but I do think I
remember a setting on the pop forward page letting you configure exactly
what to allow you to fetch.  Thanks for confirming my thoughts Celejar.


I can confirm, that gmail filters spam and other forwarding on mail
arrival, not on access, so all the spam goes to spam box, and in no
way is accessible trough POP or filters.

Some time ago i had some issues in company mailboxes, where ~40 users
had to  mark some automatic mails as not-spam, because they couldn't
access them otherwise.

Regards,
Atis


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Re: web browser choices

[judd]

On 23 Mar, Joe Hart wrote:

> ...

>> Well, i have no clue how udev is working. i remember in some old days
>> i had to do some mknod with some magic numbers, but now it really
>> should be handled by some udev. i have it running, even restarted it,
>> but still no signs of /dev/fb*
> 
> framebuffer is not a device in that respect. /dev/fb* is reffering to
> a floppy drive.  What links is telling you is it can't find the
> framebuffer in your video card.  I don't know how to fix that issue,
> but I thought I would clarify for you that it isn't the floppy that
> it's looking for.
> 

 Wouldn't that be /dev/fd* for floppies?

-Chris


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Re: ACPI Problems [was: Re: Speeding up boot time]

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Cassiano Leal wrote:
> I didn't have ACPI on in my BIOS. After activating it, dmesg shows ACPI 
> supporting S0, S1, S2, S4, S5 and S6, but not S3. Is this a 
> hardware/BIOS limitation, or can it be overcome in software?

hardware/BIOS.  What machine is this?

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Re: web browser choices

[Atis]

framebuffer is not a device in that respect. /dev/fb* is reffering to a
floppy drive.  What links is telling you is it can't find the
framebuffer in your video card.  I don't know how to fix that issue, but
I thought I would clarify for you that it isn't the floppy that it's
looking for.


No, links is telling exactly that it cannot find /dev/fb/0 and /dev/fb0


Regards,
Atis


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Re: Beep question of Icedove

[Michael Marsh]

On 3/23/07, Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Some spam makes it past Gmail's spam filter. Look in the spam folder in
the web interface to see how much doesn't. You should anyway do that
regularly because Gmail gets some false positives.


Gmail also counts spam towards your quota, and I've noticed it's
remiss in deleting spam over 30 days old, as it claims.

Back to the original topic, I've noticed apparently random beeping
from icedove as well.  I use gmail through the web interface, so
that's not the cause in my case.  I have a POP account, though, and it
might be something at the POP server that isn't related to new mail
arriving, but looks like a mailbox change.  I'm not really sure what
kind of per-message or per-mailbox state POP keeps, nor what's
considered beep-worthy by icedove.

I *do* know that changes to an IMAP folder that are just being seen
for the first time by a particular icedove instance cause a beep and
something akin to a "new messages" flag.  I know it's not actually
showing new messages, since I have icedove configured to make folders
with unread messages appear in red, and the color doesn't change, just
the folder icon.

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Re: Favorite Email/Calender/PIM and Why

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:32:05 -0400
Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Celejar,

> Thanks. Perhaps I'm just slow today, but neither under 'Conf/Common
> Prefs' nor under 'Conf/Prefs for current account' can I find
> 'Customize Toolbars/Msg window'. Another hint? I'm using regular
> Sylpheed, not Claws.
 
Sorry.  I use Claws, and have done for many a year and can no longer
remember what the differences are.  In Claws, it's Preferences... and I
would have thought that it would be Common Prefs in Sylpheed.



I dl'd Sylpheed and compiled it to see what was what.  It seems that,
sadly, you can't do what you want in Sylpheed.

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Re: Beep question of Icedove

[Wei Chen]

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Celejar wrote:

> 
> Some spam makes it past Gmail's spam filter. Look in the spam folder in
> the web interface to see how much doesn't. You should anyway do that
> regularly because Gmail gets some false positives.
> 
> Celejar
> 
> 
You are right. It is me that forget my settings. I have two gmail
accounts, say A and B. I pop mails from A to icedove. Also, I forward
mails from A to B to read with B's Web interface. Those spam mails are
not marked as spams on A so poped to the icedove client. But on B, they
are in the spam folder. And the spam folder on A is empty (I do not know
why).

Anyway, icedove should not "beep" when auto-check is disabled for all
accounts.

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Re: How to run fetchmail as daemon at startup

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On 03/23/07 09:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> 
>  Thanks, that's exactly what I want to do.  I sometimes access my
> home email while at work via the web interface, and if my wife or kids
> are at home using the computer, fetchmail may download and delete it.
> Or I could download it at night and not have time to respond.  I know
> that I could set fetchmail to not delete the messages and do it
> manually from the web interface, but I'd rather not do it that way.
> 
>  I hadn't seen a way to do this delayed deletion easily with
> fetchmail, although I may not have looked thoroughly.

Install Apache-ssl, Squirrelmail and imap-ssl.

No, really.  POP, being the Post Office Protocol, is not designed to
do what you want it to do.  (You don't go to your PO box every hour
hours to *read* your mail, putting the open mail back in the PO box,
do you?)




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Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

[Michael M.]

On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 20:59 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 05:37:00PM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> > Personally, I'm getting a little
> > frustrated being stuck on Gnome 2.14 when 2.18 has been released.  Etch
> > is two Gnome releases behind already, and Etch itself hasn't even been
> > released.
> 
> Out of curiousity, what features are in 2.18 that are not in 2.14 that
> you absolutely cannot live without?  What about that you just consider
> nice to have?


Absolutely none!  :-)  At least, none that I'm aware of.  Actually I
think 2.16 was a somewhat more significant release for Gnome in that
more features were incorporated, many of which can be added manually
anyway.  I use Tomboy and Baobab with 2.14 -- the latter, at least, is I
think an "official" part of Gnome 2.16 but not 2.14.  I haven't bothered
trying alacarte (the menu editor) because I don't have any pressing need
for it.  That, I believe, is also newly included with 2.16.  I remember
thinking, when I read about it, "that might be nice, but no need to
bother with it now."

For me, it's not really an issue of "Oh I must have this NOW ... damn
you Debian  for making me wait!"  It's more
like I read about little improvements and modifications that sound good,
and I think, "cool, something to look forward to."  Stuff for Epiphany,
stuff for Nautilus, Evolution, etc., etc.  Rarely anything
earthshattering, so mostly I'm content to wait, and let other more
intrepid and knowledgable types work out lingering bugs.  In fact I'm
quite happy to be a whole release behind something big and complex like
Gnome, not to mention various other apps.  It's just that over time,
these things build up, and that's when I start to get ancy.  If Etch had
been released in December, per the original plan, I'd probably be using
Lenny by now, and Lenny would probably have moved up to 2.16 by now, and
I'd be a happy camper.  Even if the Etch delay had been a month or two,
that's not really a big deal for me.  It's just that here we are
approaching April, and still no Etch release.  Ok, so maybe it will be
released in April -- there was something on the developer list to that
effect -- so maybe I can be patient for a while longer.  But maybe it
will be delayed again.  Ugh.  So gradually, I start thinking maybe I
should look at other OSes again ... maybe give Arch Linux or Ubuntu
another shot, or try one I haven't tried yet.  It's really more the
"when it's ready / schedules don't matter" attitude of Debian that
bothers me.

The thing is, I'm comfortable with how Debian functions (as an OS, if
not as a project, entirely), so that's a lot of inertia to overcome.  (I
tend to think that's why a lot of users never leave Windows despite all
the problems -- they are just comfortable with it, and something pretty
irritating has to come along to force them away, or their irritation
level has to build up quite a bit to overcome the inertia of sticking
with what they know.)  If I had started using Ubuntu before I ever used
Debian, maybe I'd be more comfortable with it.  As it is, I find the
little differences in how Ubuntu does things more annoying than anything
else, because it's not what I'm used to.  So it comes down to, at what
point does my increasing annoyance with Debian's habitual delays
overcome my discomfort about switching to a different OS, and any
attendant annoyances of that OS?  (That's a rhetorical question!)

(FYI, Arch Linux is a really interesting OS, IMO.  It tends to attract
more Slackware and Gentoo converts, but there are quite a few former
Debianistas in its community.  I learned a fair amount of basics about
Linux from using it, in part because its structure is so simple compared
to Debian -- BSD-style init vs SysV init, for one thing.  The package
manage, Pacman, is not yet as sophisticated or developed as apt, but it
functions similarly and is quite usable, also somewhat easier for
relatively unsophisticated users like me to grok creating their own
packages.  It has some things I find attractive in common with Debian --
versatility; multi-purpose focus, rather than a "desktop" or "server"
focus; no "favored" DE or WM like so many distros.  I would heartily
recommend it to anyone looking for something else to play around with,
simply for the sake of getting more general experience with Linux under
his belt.)


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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[judd]

On 23 Mar, Ron Johnson wrote:

> 
> On 03/23/07 08:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [snip]
>> 
>>I agree with you that we are only bound under Article 6 of the
>> constitution to agreements that we are a signatory to.  Congress can
> 
> Signatory?  Or ratified?
> 

 I'd assume that the US wouldn't be considered a signatory to
an international agreement until it's also ratified.  Perhaps I'm
wrong about the terminology.

-Chris


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Re: Samba 3.0.24 with Vista Using Debian Etch 2.6.18-47-686 SMP

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 03:27:33PM +0100, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> might be the wrong NG for such request but I'm not willing to get into a 
> MSFT one!
> 
> Problem:
> Using a recent Vista Family premium, I could not see the content on a 
> Samba shared folder (folder could be opened but i's empty...). Same 
> works when used by other XP or NT Windows based PC.
> I presume the tunning has to be on Vista rather the Linux Samba PC!
> 
> Any hint?
> 
What do the logs say?

Regards,

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 11:03:16AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 23 Mar, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On 03/23/07 08:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > [snip]
> >> 
> >>I agree with you that we are only bound under Article 6 of the
> >> constitution to agreements that we are a signatory to.  Congress can
> > 
> > Signatory?  Or ratified?
> > 
> 
>  I'd assume that the US wouldn't be considered a signatory to
> an international agreement until it's also ratified.  Perhaps I'm
> wrong about the terminology.
> 
I believe that you are correct.  Becoming a signatory is an executive
branch function (usually some official in the state department, or the
secretary of state) is authorized to do this.  However, ratification is
a legislative (specifically, the senate) function.

Regards,

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Re: web browser choices

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 23 Mar, Joe Hart wrote:
> 
>> ...
> 
>>> Well, i have no clue how udev is working. i remember in some old days
>>> i had to do some mknod with some magic numbers, but now it really
>>> should be handled by some udev. i have it running, even restarted it,
>>> but still no signs of /dev/fb*
>> framebuffer is not a device in that respect. /dev/fb* is reffering to
>> a floppy drive.  What links is telling you is it can't find the
>> framebuffer in your video card.  I don't know how to fix that issue,
>> but I thought I would clarify for you that it isn't the floppy that
>> it's looking for.
>>
> 
>  Wouldn't that be /dev/fd* for floppies?
> 
> -Chris
> 
> 
> |   Christopher Judd, Ph. D.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   |
> 
> 
> 
duh!  stupid me.  I'm still right about the frambuffer being in the
video card though.

Joe

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Re: Debian for Desktop [Was: Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock]

[Gustavo Franco]

On 3/23/07, Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 09:25:09AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > to happen.  Debian includes desktop users but is not focused on them.
> > But recently there was some interest in a 'desktop' group in debian
> > to focus on this for lenny.
>
> Do you mean http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop ?
>
> They are working since sarge was testing, and that is a looong time.
> But some of their goals have been reached.
>


Please ignore that content, it needs update. If you have doubts about
the Debian Desktop status ask on debian-desktop mailing list
(debian-desktop@lists.debian.org) or read the following:

http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-desktop
http://stratusandtheswirl.blogspot.com/2006/12/debian-desktop-call-for-tests.html

In short, with Etch you will be able to install a complete desktop
environment (default is GNOME), but there are first CD alternatives
containing KDE and other Xfce. If you don't have bandwidth issues
you're free to download netinst images and install desktop (twm),
gnome-desktop, kde-desktop or xfce-desktop. We call these set of
packages tasks (package: tasksel) but you're also able to install them
using aptitude.

During Lenny development cycle we will work more for further desktop
customizations through others packages preseeding (eg: grub to deliver
a splash screen during boot using splashy or usplash). Get involved
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Have fun!

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OT: Re: Used tasksel to remove packages, now there are dependency issues

[Zbigniew Wiech]

>>...
>> - workstation user does not and does not need to read root's mail

> Cron reports problems by mail; I think that's why it recommends an MTA.
> Celejar

agree ;) 
but I am not interested what cron is reporting more than I was concerned 
with MS Win logs, i.e.: I don't care.

should I ?

After painfull migration from Win2k  I managed to configure really descent 
desktop, that did not require attention between planned updates (sarge 
3,4, etch) for more than a year.

I hope it's normal and not the exception in linux world.

rgds
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Re: Beep question of Icedove

[Joe Hart]

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Michael Marsh wrote:
> On 3/23/07, Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Some spam makes it past Gmail's spam filter. Look in the spam folder in
>> the web interface to see how much doesn't. You should anyway do that
>> regularly because Gmail gets some false positives.
> 
> Gmail also counts spam towards your quota, and I've noticed it's
> remiss in deleting spam over 30 days old, as it claims.
> 
> Back to the original topic, I've noticed apparently random beeping
> from icedove as well.  I use gmail through the web interface, so
> that's not the cause in my case.  I have a POP account, though, and it
> might be something at the POP server that isn't related to new mail
> arriving, but looks like a mailbox change.  I'm not really sure what
> kind of per-message or per-mailbox state POP keeps, nor what's
> considered beep-worthy by icedove.
> 
> I *do* know that changes to an IMAP folder that are just being seen
> for the first time by a particular icedove instance cause a beep and
> something akin to a "new messages" flag.  I know it's not actually
> showing new messages, since I have icedove configured to make folders
> with unread messages appear in red, and the color doesn't change, just
> the folder icon.
> 

I'm not sure that Icedove works right when it comes to checking,
receiving and telling you about new mail.

For example, I have a filter sending all d-u mail to a folder.  When new
mail comes, quite frequently it doesn't mark that folder as having new
mail, when in fact it does.

It also reverts to showing things in unthreaded view mode from time to
time.  Why it does these things I do not know, and no, I have not
submitted a bug report.  They are only slightly annoying issues, not
really bugs.

Joe

Joe

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Re: Beep question of Icedove

[Wei Chen]

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Joe Hart wrote:

> 
> 
> I'm not sure that Icedove works right when it comes to checking,
> receiving and telling you about new mail.
> 
> For example, I have a filter sending all d-u mail to a folder.  When new
> mail comes, quite frequently it doesn't mark that folder as having new
> mail, when in fact it does.
> 
> It also reverts to showing things in unthreaded view mode from time to
> time.  Why it does these things I do not know, and no, I have not
> submitted a bug report.  They are only slightly annoying issues, not
> really bugs.
> 

All right. I will adopt the "Ostrich" algorithm and disable the new mail
beeping for now. Thanks for all your replies.

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

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On 03/23/07 10:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 23 Mar, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
>> On 03/23/07 08:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>I agree with you that we are only bound under Article 6 of the
>>> constitution to agreements that we are a signatory to.  Congress can
>> Signatory?  Or ratified?
>>
> 
>  I'd assume that the US wouldn't be considered a signatory to
> an international agreement until it's also ratified.  Perhaps I'm
> wrong about the terminology.

We (the US) are signatories to the Kyoto Protocol treaty, but have
not ratified it.  Thus it is not binding law.


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sendmail hostname configured as an empty string

[Freddy Freeloader]

I see this has been asked before, but being the total sendmail newbie 
that I am, and that Debian uses sendmailconfig to configure sendmail I 
am not quite sure as to how to proceed.


It appears that the confDOMAIN_NAME variable is the M4 variable to set 
to configure sendmail if it cannot figure out what the host name is.  
There are only two .mc files in /etc/mail: submit.mc and sendmail.mc.  
In which .mc file do I place this variable so sendmailconfig will use 
this variable correctly? 


TIA


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Re: sendmail hostname configured as an empty string

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 08:48:19AM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote:
> I see this has been asked before, but being the total sendmail newbie 
> that I am, and that Debian uses sendmailconfig to configure sendmail I 
> am not quite sure as to how to proceed.
> 
Out of curiousity, if you are a total sendmail newbie, why not just try
something like Exim or Postfix?

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4 GB Compact Flash as HD - DMA problems

[Mirco Piccin]

Hi all.
I'm trying to use a 4 GB Compact Flash as Hard Disk in my mini-itx.
Until now i used  a laptop 2.5" HD with no problem.

But, after a LONG net installation (access to CF is slower than normal hd),
i had errors like this:

localhost kernel: hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
localhost kernel: hda: error waiting for DMA
localhost kernel: hda: dma timeout retry: status=0x58 { DriveReady
SeekComplete DataRequest }
localhost kernel:
localhost kernel: hda: read_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete
Error }
localhost kernel: hda: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError}
...
...

that freeze my mini-itx.
I have found some threads in other forums (also quite old), that suggest to
try changing IDE cable, or uprading kernel, or patching kernel (there was a
patch for kernel 2.4.20 related to ide dma compact flash).
But:
- i try changing ide cable (that was the same used with the laptop hd) -
with no results;
- my installation is a Debian Sarge 3.1 (stable with kernel 2.6.8-3).

System boots only adding to kernel parameters in grub :
"ide=nodma".

Ok, in this way system start, but i'd like to understand why i have this
problem (it's hw problem? it's sw problem?...) and if it could be fixed.
I think also dma is a good "feature" especially in a system like mini-itx
that has slow processor .
Anyone can help me?

Thanks!

Re: sendmail hostname configured as an empty string

[Freddy Freeloader]

Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:

On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 08:48:19AM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote:
  
I see this has been asked before, but being the total sendmail newbie 
that I am, and that Debian uses sendmailconfig to configure sendmail I 
am not quite sure as to how to proceed.




Out of curiousity, if you are a total sendmail newbie, why not just try
something like Exim or Postfix?

Regards,

-Roberto

  
Not my choice.  I'm setting this up for someone else who has hard-coded 
sendmail into his apps and is afraid that using exim4 instead of 
sendmail will break them.  I tried to get him to use exim4 but he wasn't 
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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[judd]

On 23 Mar, Ron Johnson wrote:

> ...

> 
>>  I'd assume that the US wouldn't be considered a signatory to
>> an international agreement until it's also ratified.  Perhaps I'm
>> wrong about the terminology.
> 
> We (the US) are signatories to the Kyoto Protocol treaty, but have
> not ratified it.  Thus it is not binding law.
> 

 It is not binding in US domestic law.  That much is clear.  I'm 
not sure of the status under international law outside the US.  Any
lawyers on the list?

 In particular, I remember hearing that the Kyoto protocol would
apply to activities of US companies outside of the US once the required
number of states ratified it.  As I've said, I'm not a lawyer and can't
attest to the accuracy of that statement.

-Chris


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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[judd]

On 23 Mar, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 11:03:16AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> ...
 
> I believe that you are correct.  Becoming a signatory is an executive
> branch function (usually some official in the state department, or the
> secretary of state) is authorized to do this.  However, ratification
> is a legislative (specifically, the senate) function.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Roberto
> 

 Technically, the president ratifies a treaty after it receives
the consent of 2/3 or the senate.  Or, he can still choose not to
ratify it (http://www.asil.org/insights/insigh10.htm).  I just now
discovered that myself.

-Chris 


|   Christopher Judd, Ph. D.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   |

Re: How to run fetchmail as daemon at startup

[judd]

On 23 Mar, Ron Johnson wrote:

> [snip]
>> 
>>  I hadn't seen a way to do this delayed deletion easily with
>> fetchmail, although I may not have looked thoroughly.
> 
> Install Apache-ssl, Squirrelmail and imap-ssl.
> 

 It seems easier to replace fetchmail with getmail.

> No, really.  POP, being the Post Office Protocol, is not designed to
> do what you want it to do.  (You don't go to your PO box every hour
> hours to *read* your mail, putting the open mail back in the PO box,
> do you?)
> 

 I realize that this is not the usual way to use a POP server.
However, in my limited understanding of the protocol, the server doesn't
delete the message until requested to do so by the client, so it should
be an easy addition to the code to delete after some delay. I'd even
thought of doing this myself in my (sorely lacking) spare time.
Apparently getmail has already done it.

-Chris 


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Re: sendmail hostname configured as an empty string

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 09:53:57AM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote:
> >  
> Not my choice.  I'm setting this up for someone else who has hard-coded 
> sendmail into his apps and is afraid that using exim4 instead of 
> sendmail will break them.  I tried to get him to use exim4 but he wasn't 
> about to change his mind.
> 
Are you aware that because of this (people hard coding to sendmail) that
both Exim and Postfix provide a /usr/sbin/sendmail (or was is
/usr/lib/sendmail) binary that is perfectly compatible (at the
command-line option level) with sendmail?

I have used apps that were hard coded to use sendmail with postfix over
the past few years and never once encountered a problem.

Regards,

-Roberto

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