dhclient losing it's ip after time...

[D. Clarke]

Hi,

I have a problem with dhclient losing it's ip after a while.

I have ipmasq setup and i think it's the culpret but I'm not sure of what
rule (and where) to add to allow dhcp to work properly on the external
(cable) interface.

The only way I can get dhclient to fix itself is to stop ipmasq, ifdownup
eth0, then start ipmasq again.  As you can assume this gets quite annoying
even though it's only once a week or so.

Does anybody have any ideas?

Thanks,
~ Darryl
~ http://pileofcrap.org/

Re: Broken /proc?

[Karsten M. Self]

on Mon, Feb 25, 2002, Richard A. Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Last week I did an 'apt-get update' of a debain unstable and now I've
> noticed that my /proc fs  is broke.  
> 
> It appears to be mounted correctly and all the entries show up if you
> do a 'ls' but if you actually try to look at an entry its just blank.
> 
> Fex:
> 
> # cat /proc/interrupts
> #
> 
> That's it no output no error.

Hmmm...

...you've run fsck.procfs ;-)

Try remounting proc and making sure your /etc/fstab has a line
resembling:

proc  /proc   proc  defaults  0 0

...if all are the case, check your dmesg output and kernel log, and post
back to the list.

Peace.

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Re: dhclient losing it's ip after time...

[Osamu Aoki]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 01:16:58AM -0500, D. Clarke wrote:
Hi,
> Hi,
> 
> I have a problem with dhclient losing it's ip after a while.
> 
> I have ipmasq setup and i think it's the culpret but I'm not sure of what
> rule (and where) to add to allow dhcp to work properly on the external
> (cable) interface.

I am not quite sure about your issues and your network topology.

But I suspect you have problem with ipchain rules.

Are you using 2.2 kernel on gateway machine?

If so, you need to change "time parameters" in 
/etc/ipmasq/rules/??...  (I foregot it but one of the last five rules.)

ipchain rules has expire time thing.  read man page for it.


> The only way I can get dhclient to fix itself is to stop ipmasq, ifdownup
> eth0, then start ipmasq again.  As you can assume this gets quite annoying
> even though it's only once a week or so.
> 
> Does anybody have any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> ~ Darryl
> ~ http://pileofcrap.org/
> 
> 
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Re: Passwordless connection to ssh-nonfree 1.2.27

[Danie Roux]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 11:23:00AM -0500, Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 10:45:56AM +0200, Danie Roux wrote:
> > This is what I've done:
> > 
> > I've enabled ssh1 support by "dpkg-reconfigure ssh"
> > On my Debian machine I generated a ssh1 key without a passphrase.
> > I then copied the identity.pub to the RedHat machine and renamed it to
> > ~/.ssh/authorized_keys.
 
> IBM DeveloperWorks has a couple of good tutorials on the use of
> ssh-agent and key-based authentication.  See
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-keyc.html
> and 
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-keyc2/
> 
> The second article focuses entirely on using ssh-agent for passwordless
> logins.

Thank you for the info, I was bothered about the passwordless sshkey.

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Re: 233 MHz CPU system - Debian and SO 5.2 question

[Ron Johnson]

On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:51:57 -0500 dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 06:04:19PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> | On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:53:16 -0500 dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 02:26:58AM -0800, ben wrote:
> | > | On Saturday 23 February 2002 06:53 pm, Bob Underwood wrote:
[really big snip]
> | Remember, The Average User doesn't care about The Unix Way, but
> | just wants a system that doesn't crash, get infected with virii,
> | and make him/her learn a lot of "hard" stuff.  In this case, all
> | the man wants is a pre-written system that lets him combine his 
> | form letter with his (probably flat-file) mailing list. 
> 
> So go ahead and build a system for Average Users to use.  You can make
> millions ... ;-).  Then again, maybe not since no one has found it
> necessary so far (or has found it so trivial that they didn't feel the
> need to publish it).  As I said, I wasn't trying to convince anyone
> that such a tool is useless, but rather that it can fairly easily be
> built now using existing tools.

I agree totally that mail merge can easily be written in modern
scripting languages.  But... you have to know the scripting
language 1st.

Since AbiWord documents are text xml (as opposed to SO/OO60's 
binary-inside-of-xml), I bet that writing a mail merge add-on
to AbiWord would be pretty simple...

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Re: Sendmail logs rotated twice

[nate]

> Surely this isn't supposed to be the case. I couldn't find any
bugs
> logged against sysklogd or sendmail for this, so I'm guessing that
> there's something else wrong. If it is a bug, though, which
package
> should it be filed against?

ive posted on this issue a few times. i believe it to
be a bug, most of my systems are potato and potato is
affected as well. last time i installed potato, logrotate
was part of the default install (i.e. when prompted to
select software, don't tell it anything and it installs
logrotate).  because of this, logrotate(IMO) should
be used for all logrotations. so (IMO) it is a bug
in the sysklogd package as well as a bug in the
radius server(forget which one im using) package
as well, as it does it's own rotations. it took
me forever to track that issue down.  i have
since moved to syslog servers which are actually
freebsd systems so i don't worry about the log
rotation on the debian boxes anymore.

there are probably more packages that do their
own log rotation as well ..radius and syslog
are the only 2 i have noticed sofar.

nate

Re: Ethernet Card question

[nate]

> I just installed debian potato with kernel 2.2.18pre21
>
> I'm trying to get a pair of SMC 1244TX (rtl8139) Ethernet adapters
> working, but not having much luck.
>
> I ran insmod rtl8139 which installed but says (unused), so I
> figured I need to set parameters for the cards.

i'm not sure if i can help ..but is your card
PCI or ISA ? I have used several(5-6) different RT8139
based cards in linux 2.2 and all have worked perfectly
by just 'modprobe rt8139' (or compile the module directly
into kernel). I have never had to specify I/O address
or IRQ for any PCI devices.

I have also not heard of any ISA-based RT8139 cards..
course that doesn't mean they don't exist.

i do remember a long time ago, SMC had a RT8139-based
PCI card which required an updated driver, but
this was a LONG time ago (at least 2 and a half years)
so i believe the driver is already integrated into
the recent kernels.  just incase though, if your
sure thats a RT8139 card you may want to try to
grab the updated RT8139 driver from www.scyld.com

http://www.scyld.com/network/rtl8139.html

I had that particular SMC RT8139 card and with
the updated driver(at the time) worked fine.
since it was 2 and a half years ago i don't
remember what model it was.


so m

Re: mpeg encoder

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya rob

On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Rob VanFleet wrote:

> I am looking for a simple, no-frills mpeg encoder that will allow me to
> make mpegs of a sequence of images.  Most of what I've found so far
> seems like a bit of overkill.  Can anoyone suggest a simple, but
> reliable encoder for such a purpose?

donno if any of these fits your bill..

http://www.Linux-Video.net/Video.Encoders.txt

have fun
alvin

Re: Diagnosing poor performance

[Patrick Kirk]

On Wed, 2002-02-27 at 04:12, John Hasler wrote:
> Patrick Kirk wrote:
>  
Having settled on xfce, evolution and galeon, performance is fine.

Many thanks to all that made suggestions.

Patrick

Re: why boot using floppy is very slow?

[Cameron Kerr]

On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, debianlist wrote:

>I boot my DEbian 2.2R4 using floppy,but the process is very slow..at
>least much slower than other linux distr...how can i improve the speed
>based on boot by floopy...(there is no hardware problem)
>i have a 2.2r4 boot floppy,,can i boot 2.2r5?

I don't think this is anything Debian related. I use Slackware bootdisks
to image lab machines for Debian and Slackware. I find that on some
machines (these are all Pentium class Digital machines), the time to load
the ramdisk takes too long (I'm guessing about >2min, I generally go away
and do something else). On other machines (usually earlier machines) the
time taken to load a ramdisk is good.

Perhaps is has more to with the interaction between the floppy drive
controller and the kernel.

Oh yeah, I also do this on more modern machines too (OEM). IIRC, the time
taken on those is reasonable too, mostly.

Notice that syslinux has an option (-s, IIRC), to create a ``stupid, but
portable'' version, which is slower, which makes me think it _might_ be a
kernel/controller issue.

Perhaps playing with some of the floppy boot-time parameters might help.
See bootparam(7) for more info.

Cameron Kerr
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Re: trouble with scp: partly a re-post

[Alan James]

On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:19:10 -0600 (CST)
Cheryl Homiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am using the form
> ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:filename user2ipaddress:filename and have also tried

I dont think you can do that. I never made it work anyway. One side of the scp
expression has to be local it seems.

Re: trouble with scp: partly a re-post

[Alan James]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:38:11 +
Alan James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:19:10 -0600 (CST)
> Cheryl Homiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I am using the form
> > ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:filename user2ipaddress:filename and have also tried
> 
> I dont think you can do that. I never made it work anyway. One side of the scp
> expression has to be local it seems.

I take it back. According to the manpage it is supposed to work.
 
However this bug suggests that the two remote machines actually talk directly to
each other, so maybe your firewall/gateway is in the way ?

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=54940&repeatmerged=yes

This is certainly the problem I encountered. I had logged into a remove router
and tried to copy from an internet host onto the remote lan. 

hope that helps.

debian-user@lists.debian.org

[Eric . He]

Some one tell me if the memery > 128M,must use the option MEM in the file 
lilo.conf.
Now,I have 256M memery,how to chang the file lilo.conf about the option MEM=?





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Re: backup solution suggestions

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 09:12:02AM -0800, justin cunningham wrote:
> Hi all, I need to implement a backup solution for web, mail, dns, etc
> and wanted to hear any +/-  thoughts for writing a rsync scripts for
> cron for each server to do a weekly dump followed by daily incrementals
> OR use Amanda for this.  The server (woody), et al are already in place
> and I'm a few days away from getting started with rsync but wondered if
> someone here thought Amanda would be a better bet?-if so; why.  thanks,
> justin 

If you're backing up to tape, amanda is great. As long as a single tape
will be enough per filesystem (otherwise you'll have to tweak things).

But.. If you want to backup to something else than tape (e.g. CDs), then 
I don't think amanda can help you.
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Re: Ah, this is a known bug: #54214

[Colin Watson]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 12:55:36PM -0800, Xeno Campanoli wrote:
> Therefore an appropriate admonition at this point is to make sure
> wenglish, or other users of "wordlist" are installed before installing
> cracklib-runtime, otherwise you'll get a broken cracklib-runtime, at
> least on Potato.

Woody too. cracklib2 is effectively unmaintained; I and others did some
work last year to fix it up for release, but since the maintainer seemed
to disagree with the submitter over that bug I left it alone.

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debian-user@lists.debian.org

[Fernando Taboada]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
> Some one tell me if the memery > 128M,must use the option MEM in the file 
> lilo.conf.
> Now,I have 256M memery,how to chang the file lilo.conf about the option MEM=?

With early versions of kernel 2.2 you needn't that option.
Otherwise, look at the "append" option in your lilo.conf file.
I can't not remember the syntax, but something like this should work:

append="mem=256M"

Check the man page before proceed.

Cheers

Re: Can't access www

[Martin Price]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Alan James wrote:
> 
> does it make any difference if you use an ip address instead of a hostname ?
> ie http://216.239.37.101/ instead of http://www.google.com/
> 
> If it was a transparent proxy problem I'd expect telnet to have trouble too.
> I'm having trouble with mine at the moment so I've put a manual proxy in.
> 
> try adding inktomi1-bir.server.ntl.com port 8080 to your browsers proxy 
> settings just to make sure. That might only work for suffering NTL subscribers
> like myself though. I'd offer a link to other proxies but that wouldn't help
> much :)
> 
> try dcpdumping the telnet session too, to see what that does differently.
> 
> does wget work ? thats a bit more fancy than telnet but not as fancy as lynx.
> I cant imagine at what level this is going wrong.
> 
> If you solve it, make sure you let us know how, I dont want this problem 
> keeping me up at night :)
> 
> Alan.
> 
TCPDump looks exactly the same for the telnet sessions, except that an
acknowledgement arrives from the server immediately after issuing the GET
command (unless there's some difference in all that stuff in brackets that
I don't understand).

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll try them tonight when I get home (I too
am an NTL sufferer - I feel your pain).

Some further weirdness to add to the story.  Last night, in sheer
desparation, I sat putting loads of urls into netscape to see if anything
different happened.  Repeated 'Network connection reset by peer' messages,
and no joy, until I tried 'www.uk.debian.org'.  Then, instead of the usual
error, it just sat waiting for a response, which never came.  I tried
pinging www.uk.debian.org, and got no response - seems it was temporarily
not responding.

OK, but what's really surprising is that after that it worked normally - I
could access all the urls I had tried and failed before.  Unfortunately,
the fix only lasted until I closed and restarted my dialup connection.
The same trick didn't seem to work again.   

Thanks,
Martin Price

Re: ATI RADEON 7500 and X problem

[Stephan Hachinger]

Hi!

Thanks very much for your answers.

Cheers,

Stephan

On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:39:50 -0800
Aaron Brashears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 03:16:52PM -0800, Tim Moss wrote:
> > You need XFree 4.2.0 for Radeon 7500 support but I don't think
4.2.0 is> > available as Debian packages yet.
> 
> All very true. Before you bug the maintainer (like I did...) Check
his> webpage for updates:
> 
> http://people.debian.org/~branden/
> 

Re: Can't access www

[Alan James]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 09:59:02AM +, Martin Price wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions, I'll try them tonight when I get home (I too
> am an NTL sufferer - I feel your pain).

Then its ntls fault. must be.

look here for the alternate proxies
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.d.h.walker/cmtips.html#sidestep

and on one of their own servers too, so it'll maybe work :-)

Alan.

Re: strange "sensors" readings

[Simon Hepburn]

On Tuesday 26 Feb 2002 2:44 pm, Markus Grunwald wrote:

> Is this known for my chipset or do I have some strange mainboard ?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news..

>From /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/doc/FAQ.gz

4.17A Bad readings from the AS99127F!

The Asus AS99127F is a modified version of the Winbond W83781D.
Asus will not release a datasheet. The driver was developed by tedious
experimentation. We've done the best we can. If you want to make adjustments
to the readings please edit /etc/sensors.conf. Please don't ask us to
fix the driver. Ask Asus to release a datasheet.

See also

4.22 Sensors output is not correct!

What specifically is the trouble?
Labels: See 3.4A above.
Min/max readings: See 3.4B&C above.
AS99127F: See 4.17 above
Via 686A: See 4.18 above
No output for a particular sensors chip: See 5.2 below
No output at all: See 4.21, 4.22 above; 5.2 below
Completely bad output for a particular sensor chip: See 5.3 below
One particular sensor readings:
Maybe it isn't hooked up;
tell 'sensors' to ignore it. See 3.4D above.
Maybe it is hooked up differently on your motherboard;
adjust sensors.conf calculation.

Sounds like you have got some work to do on your sensors.conf. I would start 
by configuring it to ignore any values that your bios can't display.

Simon.

exim and printer answers

[paul]

I hope this answers the questions.
Printer is hplaserjet4plus

Old and new printcap as one file
#PRINTCAP
# Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of
California.
# All rights reserved.
#
# Redistribution and use in source and binary forms
are permitted
# provided that this notice is preserved and that due
credit is given
# to the University of California at Berkeley. The
name of the 
University
# may not be used to endorse or promote products
derived from this
# software without specific prior written permission.
This software
# is provided ``as is'' without express or implied
warranty.
#
#   @(#)etc.printcap5.2 (Berkeley) 5/5/88
#
# This file was generated by
/usr/sbin/magicfilterconfig.
#
#lp|hplj4l|hplaserjet4plus:
lp|hp4:\
:lp=/dev/lp0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\
:if=/etc/magicfilter/hp4000t-filter:\
:af=/var/log/lp-acct:\
:lf=/var/log/lp-errs:\
:sh:\
:mx#0:

#lp:\
#   :lp=/dev/lp0:\
#   :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hplj4l:\
#   :if=/etc/magicfilter/hjet4-filter:\
#   :af=/var/log/lp-acct:\
#   :lf=/var/log/lp-errs:\
#   :sh:\
#   :mx#0:
Commands:
cat filename > /dev/lp0 
works but no cr or lf
lp filename 
command not found
lpr filename lpr not found
lp -Plp (found in netscape only)
sh  lp not found
files commented:
/etc/exim.conf
/etc/mailname
when taken out mail no longer is sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
log file now says can't open exim.
I don't know how to use vi to get the last 10 lines 
exim is in /usr/sbin/exim (machine language)
I can't find a reference to exim in /var/spool/lpd
I don't think dselect is working at full blast but
here is what I got
dselect lp   unknown action string
dselect lpr  unknown action string
dselect lprng unknown action string

I am willing to hire a paid expert but no one wants to
touch the printer problem.






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Re: Problem with ATI Rage 128 Pro TF

[Bill Triplett]

On Tue, 2002-02-26 at 11:33, Rainer Sigl wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a problem working with my ATI Rage 128 PRO TF card on my
> new DELL machine with a new Installation of Debian Linux and Xfree86-4
> 
> Output of lspc :
> 
> [ snip ]
>
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro TF
>
> [ snip ]
>
> Logfile:
>
> [ snip ]
>
> (II) ATI: ATI driver (version 6.3.6) for chipsets: ati, ativga
> (II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets: ATI Rage 128 RE (PCI),
>   ATI Rage 128 RF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RG (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RK (PCI),
>   ATI Rage 128 RL (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro PD (PCI),
>   ATI Rage 128 Pro PF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro PP (PCI),
>   ATI Rage 128 Pro PR (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Mobility LE (PCI),
>   ATI Rage 128 Mobility LF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (AGP),
>   ATI Rage 128 Mobility ML (AGP)
>
> [ snip ]
>
> (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0
> (II) ATI:  Candidate "Device" section "Generic Video Card".
> (EE) No devices detected.

Ranier,

I am not an expert, but barring the lack of any other useful advice to
your question, it looks to me like the Rage 128 Pro TF chipset (from
lspci) is not listed in the supported chipsets in the logfile. Check the
XFree86 website and see if the TF chipset is supported in 4.1.0 or
4.2.0.

I know that the Rage 128 Pro PP (PCI) was not originally supported in
4.1.0, but either support was added via 4.1.0.1 (that preprelease) or
the debian package maintainer applied a patch to add support for the PP.
Maybe something like that is already in the works for the TF, hopefully
in time for Woody's release. Then again, like I said, I'm not an expert
and could be completely wrong... :(

Good Luck,
Bill

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> 
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> the full server output, not just the last messages.
> This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log".
> Please report problems to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

security vs. potato?

[will trillich]

according to packages.debian.org/ssh2 there is no ssh2 package
available for potato/stable.

i suppose this is a conundrum for the developers -- normally
security fixes are beamed back to potato in a hurry, but ssh
(version 1) has security troubles, and to fix them would
introduce a new package (ssh2) which is against 'stable'
policy...

what's the fix for a potato production server? can ssh2 be had
from nonstandard apt sources for potato?

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Re: security vs. potato?

[Jeronimo Pellegrini]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 07:03:56AM -0600, will trillich wrote:
> according to packages.debian.org/ssh2 there is no ssh2 package
> available for potato/stable.
> 
> i suppose this is a conundrum for the developers -- normally
> security fixes are beamed back to potato in a hurry, but ssh
> (version 1) has security troubles, and to fix them would
> introduce a new package (ssh2) which is against 'stable'
> policy...
> 
> what's the fix for a potato production server? can ssh2 be had
> from nonstandard apt sources for potato?

Get ssh2 from elsewhere (not the ideal solution, but it works).

There's alcove labs (www.alcove.com), and I think there may be other
sources for ssh2... (The australian mirror seemed to have new ssl
packages under ftp.au.debian.org/debian-kde, IIRC -- not sure about 
ssh)

J.

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Re: How to Upgrade from Potato to Woody?

[will trillich]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 03:09:55PM +1100, Matthew Dalton wrote:
> I also dist-upgraded my machine from Potato to Woody about two weeks
> ago. However, my machine is a desktop system with heaps of apps
> installed. My experiences were pretty awesome considering what I was up
> against!

[snip]

> The only packages that gave me any grief were the KDE ones, as expected.
> The newer packages had the files rearranged between the different
> packages, so apt-get was unable to install packages because they were
> attempting to overwrite files from other installed packages. I think I
> ended up using 'dpkg --force-overwrite' a few times to get them
> installed. Everything else went without a hitch. I had to manually merge
> a few config files to get the intended changes from Woody into them, but
> that didn't seem unusual.
> 
> I actually had to run dist-upgrade several times before it installed
> everything. It kept getting stuck on the KDE stuff, after which I would
> run 'apt-get -f upgrade' and 'dpkg --configure --pending' before
> starting another dist-upgrade. Eventually all that was left was to
> upgrade the broken KDE packages in the manner that I described above. I
> don't expect that this would happen on all upgrades though.

do you think it'd pay to "apt-get --purge remove " first?
i'm considering the upgrade you just did... and my kde2 is from
nonofficial sources.list urls [kde.rap.ucar.edu] as well. :)

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:
Ever wondered about confirming WHAT CPU, KERNEL OR DEBIAN
VERSION YOU HAVE?  It's easy:
cat /proc/cpuinfo
There's lots of other neat stuff under /proc, too.
(You guessed it -- "man proc" will tell you more.)
For kernel and Debian data, try
uname -a
cat /etc/debian_version

Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ...

Which mail suite

[Stefan Bellon]

Hi!

I'd like to set up my Debian box to fetch mail from my ISP with POP3S.
Then, the fetched mails should be made available to a local IMAP server
so that I can read them from all machines in my local network.

I'm using unstable and I'd like to know which packages are best suited
for this task.

And one further question: If I want to be able to see log copies of
outgoing mail sent from computer A when working with computer B, does
this work with IMAP as well? I.e. can I put log copies into the IMAP
server as well? Or what route should I take there?

TIA.

Greetings,

Stefan.

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Re: Which mail suite

[Alex Malinovich]

On Wed, 2002-02-27 at 07:39, Stefan Bellon wrote:

> I'd like to set up my Debian box to fetch mail from my ISP with POP3S.
> Then, the fetched mails should be made available to a local IMAP server
> so that I can read them from all machines in my local network.
> 
> I'm using unstable and I'd like to know which packages are best suited
> for this task.
> 
> And one further question: If I want to be able to see log copies of
> outgoing mail sent from computer A when working with computer B, does
> this work with IMAP as well? I.e. can I put log copies into the IMAP
> server as well? Or what route should I take there?

Sounds like you want my system. :)

Use fetchmail to get POP3 mail and dump it into your IMAP inbox. I use
imapd for the actual IMAP server. Any IMAP server should work though.

After you're done with this, make an IMAP folder (I call mine "Sent")
and set up your mail client(s) to put copies of sent messages into that
folder rather than a local one. With the exception of an address book,
no matter where you access your mail from, it'll be exactly the same as
using it from your home machine. Quite handy.

Now if only I could figure out a way to make my address book accessible
from anywhere...

-Alex


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from xfs to ext2/ext3

[Michael C. Alonzo]

my /usr is currently in xfs.. now, i want to turn it 
back to ext2/ext3... how should i do this?

is cp -a enough? or is there a debian/xfs way to do 
this? tnx 
-- 
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, 
however improbable, must be the truth."

--Sherlock Holmes _The Sign of Four_

Advice on HTML book

[David Gardi]

Hi,
Please excuse this non-Linux related post.
I am planning to purchase an HTML book that provides good, indepth
explanations of how to use HTML.
I am undecided on these two books

1) "HTML 4 for the World Wide Web" by Elizabeth Castro
2) "HTML: the Complete Reference" Third Edition by Thomas A. Powell

After having skimmed through the table of contents,
the second option seems too gory in the details,
whilst the first contains interesting topics that second
doesn't seem to have. What I don't want to end up with
is a book that has too little information, or a book
that has large amounts of unpleasing to the eye information
scattered all over the place and uses tags rather than
English to get the point accross.

Does anyone own these books?
comments and/or suggestions would be great.
David.

which module i should select

[debianlist]

HI:
    In the installation, which module should i 
select for my Linksys Fast Ethernet 10/100 networkcard(NC100 V2.1)
 
\Thanks!

Jerky, jumpy mouse problem...

[Taylor James]

Hello all,

I've just installed Debian (woody?) and all is well except the following.
Having installed and configured X, the mouse is behaving rather strangely.
It works fine for around ten seconds or so and then just stops dead for
another ten seconds or so, sometimes jumping to the bottom left corner of
the screen. Then, after much mouse moving, it springs back to life and works
fine again. This goes on ad infinitum.

After looking on the 'net for a possible solution I found only to
suggestions. 1) there's an IRQ confict and 2) my mouse is dirty! I checked
/proc/interrupts and all seems well and my mouse works fine under Windows,
ruling out the other possibility. Any help with this would be greatly
appreciated, it's driving me bonkers!

Incidentally it's a PS/2 Intellimouse and I'm using the ImPS/2 driver, the
only one that seemed to work at all.

Thanks in advance,

James



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Installing kernel-image-2.4.17-k7

[Bill Moseley]

I had started the process of building a kernel yesterday before being so
rudely interrupted by sleep.

I'm currently running 2.2.20 but upgrading to 2.4.17.  I had tried once
before to use a kernel-image, but ended up with a kernel-panic that I never
followed up on.  This system was installed Woody and upgraded to Sid.

I'd like to try using kernel-image-2.4.17-k7 for the experience of using a
packaged kernel, and then also I'd have a very close .config to start with
when I want to build my own kernel from source.

So, I'd like to avoid the kernel panic this time with the
kernel-image-2.4.17-k7 package.  What steps do I need to take to make sure
I will end up with a bootable image?  Someone mentioned that moving to the
more modular 2.4 kernel might have been the problem - something about not
setting up initrd?

I'd also like to also use lilo.conf to be able to select which kernel (I
can figure this out, but I mention it as I'm not sure if just apt-get'ing
the kernel-image will do this by default).

Anyway, last time I just apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.17-k7, but
perhaps that was not enough.  I poked around looking for docs, but mostly
found info about compiling my own.  Any pointers?

Thanks,


Bill Moseley
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about network config

[debianlist]

HI:    
    In win2k, I am using DHCP to connect 
internet. In Debian,can I use the information(ip,DNS Server..) get from in win2k 
to manual config network in Debian?
 
Thanks

Debian pronounciation~

[debianlist]

HI:
    My first language is not english.Can anyone 
tell me the standard pronounciation of "Debian"?
 
Thanks

Re: from xfs to ext2/ext3

[Paolo Falcone]

"---" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>my /usr is currently in xfs.. now, i want to turn it 
>back to ext2/ext3... how should i do this?
>
>is cp -a enough? or is there a debian/xfs way to do 
>this? tnx 

Any method wherein you can shuttle back your data from the XFS partition and 
back without following
the symlinks would do fine (do cp -a, or tar the data, use mc, whatever...)

Currently there is no non-destructive method (XFS is laid out way different 
from the scheme implemented
by ext2/ext3 though they both implement inode-structures in the filesystem) of 
filesystem conversion
for most filesystems except (maybe) ext2 and ext3.

If you'll be using ext3, just don't get the filesystem get near the almost-full 
capacity. Since ext3 journal
store file metadata and possibly file data too, it grows variably (as opposed 
to other filesystems which
have a set journal size before it starts growing after some certain point).

XFS is good if you'll use it on 24/7 machines that don't poweroff. Ext3 
performs extremely well on
intermittently-powered machines without the filesystem creating a file-hole 
freak of nature...


Paolo Falcone

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Fwd: middle mouse button = double click ?

[James D. Freels, P.E._i, Ph.D.]

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 Subject: middle mouse button = double click ?
 From: James D. Freels, P.E._i, Ph.D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:31:27 -0500

 Is it possible to do this in KDE ?
 
-- 
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combination to be a trade secret.

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Re: Jerky, jumpy mouse problem...

[Fernando Taboada]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
> I've just installed Debian (woody?) and all is well except the following.
> Having installed and configured X, the mouse is behaving rather strangely.
> It works fine for around ten seconds or so and then just stops dead for
> another ten seconds or so, sometimes jumping to the bottom left corner of
> the screen. Then, after much mouse moving, it springs back to life and works
> fine again. This goes on ad infinitum.

I had the same problem long time ago, among other...
I remember two possibilities:
1) A conflict between text-based mouse configuration and X one, or
2) A X mouse protocol miscofiguration. Check you are using the right one.

May be you can tell me more information: conf files, devices, etc.

Bye.

>
>
> After looking on the 'net for a possible solution I found only to
> suggestions. 1) there's an IRQ confict and 2) my mouse is dirty! I checked
> /proc/interrupts and all seems well and my mouse works fine under Windows,
> ruling out the other possibility. Any help with this would be greatly
> appreciated, it's driving me bonkers!
>
> Incidentally it's a PS/2 Intellimouse and I'm using the ImPS/2 driver, the
> only one that seemed to work at all.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> James
>
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Re: Broken /proc?

[Noah Meyerhans]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 01:57:38PM -0600, Richard A. Smith wrote:
> Last week I did an 'apt-get update' of a debain unstable and now I've
> noticed that my /proc fs  is broke.  
> 
> It appears to be mounted correctly and all the entries show up if you
> do a 'ls' but if you actually try to look at an entry its just blank.

Well, you're not the only one to see this problem...  I always though I
was!  I never figured out what caused it, and I haven't seen it in
recent kernels (> ~2.4.9).  The problem only appeared on one machine (a
650 MHz PIII Sony VAIO laptop), and was intermittent in a completely
unpredictable way.

I never pursued the problem on the kernel mailing list, because I never
figured out a reliable way of triggering the bug, and found no symptoms
except for the empty /proc/.

I doubt any of this information will be of any use to you.  There's
definitely a problem somewhere, but I can't begin to imagine what it
might be...

noah

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RE: Jerky, jumpy mouse problem...

[Sam Stern]

> -Original Message-
> From: Taylor James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 09:30 AM
> To: 'debian-user@lists.debian.org'
> Subject: Jerky, jumpy mouse problem...
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I've just installed Debian (woody?) and all is well except 
> the following.
> Having installed and configured X, the mouse is behaving 
> rather strangely.
> It works fine for around ten seconds or so and then just 
> stops dead for
> another ten seconds or so, sometimes jumping to the bottom 
> left corner of
> the screen. Then, after much mouse moving, it springs back to 
> life and works
> fine again. This goes on ad infinitum.
> 
> 

Hi James,

Try disabling GPM. Disabling this service (and stopping it's running
instance) fixed the problem both on my workstation and my laptop.

HTH,


Sam Stern
Bethesda, MD, USA

Re: from xfs to ext2/ext3

[Noah Meyerhans]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 09:24:09PM +0800, Michael C. Alonzo wrote:
> my /usr is currently in xfs.. now, i want to turn it 
> back to ext2/ext3... how should i do this?
> 
> is cp -a enough? or is there a debian/xfs way to do 
> this? tnx 

Yes, cp -a will work.  There are plenty of ways to do it.  Basically,
anything that gets all the files to the right place and keeps the
metadata intact is fine.  I often do something like this:
# cd /usr
# tar cf - . | (cd /new-usr && tar xvf -)

noah

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Re: [OT] Advice on HTML book

[SJ]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, David Gardi wrote:

> Hi,
> Please excuse this non-Linux related post.

I added the [OT] that is the common way to indicate that you
post is off topic.  This let's people who don't want to read
off topic posts filter them out.

> I am planning to purchase an HTML book that provides
> good, indepth explanations of how to use HTML.

I have a number of them, so maybe I can help. 

> I am undecided on these two books
> 
> 1) "HTML 4 for the World Wide Web" by Elizabeth Castro
> 2) "HTML: the Complete Reference" Third Edition by Thomas A. Powell

Both excellant books.

> After having skimmed through the table of contents,
> the second option seems too gory in the details,

#2, like "The HTML Bible" (another good one, by the way), is
intended primarily as a reference book.

> whilst the first contains interesting topics that second
> doesn't seem to have.

Liz's book is intended for the beginner, and contains a
little more than just HTML.  It is an actual teaching book.
In fact, when I taught an HTML class a while back, that was
the book I used as textbook.

> What I don't want to end up with is a book that has too
> little information, or a book that has large amounts of
> unpleasing to the eye information scattered all over the
> place and uses tags rather than English to get the point
> accross.

> Does anyone own these books?
> comments and/or suggestions would be great.

My suggestion would be for you to get both of them, if you
can afford it, and use #1 to *LEARN* HTML and #2 as a
secondary reference.  If you can't do that, then definitely
go with book# 1.

HTH

SJS

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side, and may your hand always be a winner.

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Re: Debian pronounciation~

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 09:40:45AM -0500, debianlist wrote:
> HI:
> My first language is not english.Can anyone tell me the standard 
> pronounciation of "Debian"?

$ dict debian

From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (13 Mar 01) [foldoc]:

  Debian
  
  /deb'ee`n/, *not* /deeb'ee`n/ 

[ and a lot more text, snipped ]

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RE: Jerky, jumpy mouse problem...

[Taylor James]

Thanks to everyone for their help on this. I think the disable gpm solution
is the correct one, although I can't try it 'til later. I'll let you know
how I get on!

Thanks again,

James



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>From: Sam Stern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: 27 February 2002 15:11
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: RE: Jerky, jumpy mouse problem...
>
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Taylor James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 09:30 AM
>> To: 'debian-user@lists.debian.org'
>> Subject: Jerky, jumpy mouse problem...
>> 
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I've just installed Debian (woody?) and all is well except 
>> the following.
>> Having installed and configured X, the mouse is behaving 
>> rather strangely.
>> It works fine for around ten seconds or so and then just 
>> stops dead for
>> another ten seconds or so, sometimes jumping to the bottom 
>> left corner of
>> the screen. Then, after much mouse moving, it springs back to 
>> life and works
>> fine again. This goes on ad infinitum.
>> 
>> 
>
>Hi James,
>
>Try disabling GPM. Disabling this service (and stopping it's running
>instance) fixed the problem both on my workstation and my laptop.
>
>HTH,
>
>
>Sam Stern
>Bethesda, MD, USA
>
>
>
>
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Beginner trying to get X working

[Bannerman, Israel]

To all:

I just installed Woody and I am trying to get X started.  I  am using the
Mach32 driver for the ATI Rage Fury Pro video card I have.  But when I try
to startx I get this:

XF86Config: /etc/X11/XF86Config
(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
(--) no ModulePath specified using default: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules
dbe: Unknown error loading module

Config Error: /etc/X11/XF86Config:48


SubSection  "extmod"
^^^

Module section keyword expected 
giving up.
xinit:  Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server
xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error


Help!!

-New Beginner
-Israel

RE: Debian pronounciation~

[Taylor James]

>From the Debian web site...

http://www.debian.org/intro/about#history

Debian is pronounced 'deb ee n'. It comes from the names of the creator of
Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra.

So there you have it.

James



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Subject: Debian pronounciation~


HI:
My first language is not english.Can anyone tell me the standard
pronounciation of "Debian"?

Thanks 


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problems w/ colors, PLEASE HELP!!

[Sheldon Lee-Wen]

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Hi,

  I've had a REALLY hard time with a problem w/ colors being available. Every
time I run an application I get the error message (or something like it):

unknown color name "Black"
(default value for "highlightColor" in widget ".")

This causes many applications , esp tcl/tk apps, like make xconfig, to fail
like this:

wish -f scripts/kconfig.tk
Application initialization failed: unknown color name "Black"
Error in startup script: can't invoke "button" command:  application has been
destroyed
while executing
"button .ref"
(file "scripts/kconfig.tk" line 51)
make: *** [xconfig] Error 1

I do have the rgb.txt file, and doing a `showrgb` outputs a list of the
colors on the system. This really frustrating b/c I just tried the new
codeweavers and while it installed the pluginsetup proggy fails w/ the error
message at the top of this email. Can anyone help me please!

I have debian sid,
XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System
and  XF86_SVGA XFree86 Version 3.3.6a / X Window System
installed (I need it b/c vmware segfaults at my monitor resolution under X4)

Here are the X related pachages I have installed:

cr595811-a:/usr/src/linux# dpkg -l | grep X
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=bad)
ii  libxaw-dev 4.0.2-11progen X Athena widget set library development file
ii  libxaw64.1.0-14   X Athena widget set library (version 6)
ii  libxaw74.1.0-14   X Athena widget set library
ii  proxymngr  4.1.0-14   X proxy services manager
ii  scalable-cyrfo 3.0scalable Cyrillic fonts for X
ii  xaw3dg 1.5-11 Xaw3d widget set
ii  xbase-clients  4.1.0-14   miscellaneous X clients
ii  xdialog2.0.5-1X11 replacement for the text util dialog
ii  xext   3.3.6-44   extensions to XFree86 3.x servers
ii  xfonts-100dpi  4.1.0-14   100 dpi fonts for X
ii  xfonts-75dpi   4.1.0-14   75 dpi fonts for X
ii  xfonts-base4.1.0-14   standard fonts for X
ii  xfonts-cyrilli 4.1.0-14   Cyrillic fonts for X
ii  xfonts-pex 4.1.0-14   fonts for minimal PEX support in X
ii  xfonts-scalabl 4.1.0-14   scalable fonts for X
ii  xfree86-common 4.1.0-14   X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure
ii  xfs4.1.0-14   X font server
ii  xfwp   4.1.0-14   X firewall proxy server
ii  xlib6g 4.1.0-14   pseudopackage providing X libraries
ii  xlib6g-dev 4.1.0-14   pseudopackage providing X library developmen
ii  xlibmesa-dev   4.1.0-14   XFree86 version of Mesa 3D graphics library
ii  xlibmesa3  4.1.0-14   XFree86 version of Mesa 3D graphics library
ii  xlibs  4.1.0-14   X Window System client libraries
ii  xlibs-dev  4.1.0-14   X Window System client library development f
ii  xnest  4.1.0-14   nested X server
rc  xserver-8514   3.3.6-38   X server for ATI 8514/A-based graphics cards
rc  xserver-agx3.3.6-38   X server for IBM XGA and IIT AGX-based graph
ii  xserver-common 4.1.0-14   files and utilities common to all X servers
ii  xserver-common 3.3.6-44   files and utilities common to XFree86 3.x X
rc  xserver-mach32 3.3.6-38   X server for ATI Mach32-based graphics cards
rc  xserver-mach8  3.3.6-38   X server for ATI Mach8-based graphics cards
rc  xserver-p9000  3.3.6-38   X server for Weitek P9000-based graphics car
rc  xserver-s3 3.3.6-38   X server for S3 chipset-based graphics cards
ii  xserver-svga   3.3.6-44   X server for SVGA graphics cards
ii  xserver-xfree8 4.1.0-14   the XFree86 X server
ii  xspecs 4.1.0-14   X protocol, extension, and library technical
ii  xutils 4.1.0-14   X Window System utility programs
ii  xvfb   4.1.0-14   virtual framebuffer X server

Thanks.
Sheldon.
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Re: from xfs to ext2/ext3

[Michael C. Alonzo]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 09:24:09PM +0800, Michael C. Alonzo wrote:
> my /usr is currently in xfs.. now, i want to turn it 
> back to ext2/ext3... how should i do this?
> 
> is cp -a enough? or is there a debian/xfs way to do 
> this? tnx 
> -- 
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, 
> however improbable, must be the truth."
> 
>   --Sherlock Holmes _The Sign of Four_
> 
> 
> 
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ok. thanks for all those responded...

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Re: Debian pronounciation~

[David Z Maze]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 1.  (*) text/plain  ( ) text/html   

(Plain-text only, please.)

> My first language is not english.Can anyone tell me the standard
> pronounciation of "Debian"?

I say "DEB ee un" or "DEB ee an".

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Re: Broken /proc? [SOLVED}

[Richard A. Smith]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:51:16 -0500, Noah Meyerhans wrote:

>On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 01:57:38PM -0600, Richard A. Smith wrote:
>> Last week I did an 'apt-get update' of a debain unstable and now I've
>> noticed that my /proc fs  is broke.  
>> 
>> It appears to be mounted correctly and all the entries show up if you
>> do a 'ls' but if you actually try to look at an entry its just blank.
>
>Well, you're not the only one to see this problem...  I always though I
>was!  I never figured out what caused it, and I haven't seen it in

I actually solved it that night but I didn't post because I didn't
see any response.  But since a few others had the issue I'll outline
what fixed it for me.

For me turns out the the /proc *was not* mounted.  Even though mount
said it was.  Somehow I managed to copy a snapshot of the procfs onto
the actuall /proc directory.  In otherwords /proc was not an empty
directory.  It had a snapshot of a previously running system.  

Somehow this caused /proc to not get mounted from fstab.  But oddly
enough only /proc, all the other filesystems in fstab mounted
correctly.  And typing a 'mount' indicated that /proc was mounted.

I discovered it by looking at /etc/mtab which said that /proc was
_not_ mounted.  

Once I did a rm -r on the fake /proc all was well.  So I guess the
moral is don't trust the output of 'mount' if things are flaky or at
least cross check it with /etc/mtab.

I doub't that this was something to do with my upgrade.  Probally
something else I flubbed and just a fluke.  I was messing with moving
stuff around so I must have flubbed a 'cp -a' somewhere.  

I haven't tried to duplicate it yet either.  I'll leave that as an
exercise to the reader or for another time.

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Help with X

[Bannerman, Israel]

Hi,

I just installed Woody and I am trying to get X started.  I  am using the
Mach32 driver for the ATI Rage Fury Pro video card I have.  But when I try
to startx I get this:

XF86Config: /etc/X11/XF86Config
(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
(--) no ModulePath specified using default: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules
dbe: Unknown error loading module

Config Error: /etc/X11/XF86Config:48


SubSection  "extmod"
^^^

Module section keyword expected 
giving up.
xinit:  Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server
xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error


Help!!


Thanks alot!!
-Israel

Re: about network config

[Stephan Hachinger]

Hi!

Try to change /etc/network/interfaces like this:

# /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
# The loopback interface
iface lo inet loopback
# The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian
installation
# (network, broadcast and gateway are optional)
iface eth0 inet dhcp

Also, dhcpcd or pump must be installed. Maybe you will have to configure
dhcpcd or pump further, but I'm quite sure I just attached my machine to a
friend's network, changed the above file and it worked fine. If anyone has
to add something or if it doesn't work, let me know.

Cheers,

Stephan

- Original Message -
From: debianlist
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:38 PM
Subject: about network config


>HI:
>  In win2k, I am using DHCP to connect internet. In Debian,can I use the
information
>(ip,DNS Server..) get from in win2k to manual config network in Debian?
>
>Thanks

Re: problems w/ colors, PLEASE HELP!!

[Alan James]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 10:43:26AM -0500, Sheldon Lee-Wen wrote:

> I do have the rgb.txt file

and the symlink in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 ?

Multisession CD

[rasa]

Hi

I backup my data on a CD. Therefore i create a multisession CD with cdrecord
( -multi option).
I write some sessions. every session has exactly one file with a unique name
over all sessions.
If i now try to read the CD i see only the file writed in the first session.

How do i access a multisession CD?

cheers,
Raffaele

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Re: Which mail suite

[Michael Jinks]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 07:52:50AM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> 
> Now if only I could figure out a way to make my address book accessible
> from anywhere...

LDAP/SSL?

Haven't done it myself but we have it in testing here at the U. (many
thousands of entries) and it seems to work pretty well.

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Sound after restarting from win$$

[Axel Minck]

Hi,

After restarting from windoze (I know, it's bad but I am forced to use 
it for my work) to linux I have no sound.
Has someone a solution to avoid turning off the computer before starting 
linux?

Thanks

Axel

Re: dhclient losing it's ip after time...

[dman]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 01:16:58AM -0500, D. Clarke wrote:
| Hi,
| 
| I have a problem with dhclient losing it's ip after a while.

Look in your syslog to see what dh-client is trying to do.  You should
see entries similar to :

Feb 27 06:45:53 dman dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to 64.213.112.1 port 67
Feb 27 06:45:53 dman dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPACK from 64.213.112.1
Feb 27 06:45:53 dman dhclient-2.2.x: bound to 64.213.114.152 -- renewal in 
32400 seconds.

If you see some DHCPREQUEST lines with no DHCPACK, then the problem is
that you aren't getting an ACK from the server.

-D

-- 

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turning a man from the snares of death.
Proverbs 13:14

Re: dh-client setup problems

[Bjorn Erik Gravingen]

On Tuesday 26 February 2002 20:16, dman wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 05:32:53PM -0600, hanasaki wrote:
>
> | What are the pro/con of dhcp-client vs pump?
>
> pump is made by RH (IIRC), dh-client is made by ISC (same group who
> makes dhcpd and bind).  I've heard complaints in the past of pump not
> working.  Anyways, I figure that the folks who make dhcpd must know
> something about DHCP, and why not use their client if I'm using their
> server?
>

I've tried both, and have had problems with both. I have a dual boot
set-up and booting linux after a windows session I sometimes fail
to get an IP-address. My ISP is running a MS server of some kind
and using the "--win-client-ident" option in pump solved all my troubles.
(well, for DHCP that is ;-))

Unfortunately, I didn't find a way to set this option using the if-up
package, so I replaced it with a script.

Regards,

Bjørn Erik Gravingen

Mounting an NTFS drive/directory

[Bodnyk, Bruce W]

What syntax of the mount command would allow be to
mount a shared NTFS directory on Linux. I'm assuming
this is possible!

Thanks!
Bruce

Bruce W. Bodnyk
Staff Engineer, CAE Development
FCI Electronics
825 Old Trail Road
Etters, PA 17319-9351

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Bastille on Debian?

[Lance Heller]

What magic, if any, must be worked to have Bastille run on Debian?  

TIA

Lance

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Module compilation error

[Narasimhamurthy Giridhar]

Hi all
I was trying to write a module. I tried compiling it by doing

gcc -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -Wall -c file.c -o file.o

but i get the following error:

from /linux/module.h
included from file.c: /linux/autoconf.h does not exist

In the code I have :
 #include
 #include
#include

What might the problem be ?

Reagards
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Re: Sound after restarting from win$$

[debianlist]

HI:
You can use VMware http://www.wmware.com to use linux in windows, but the 
speed is slower than normal.

hope this can help you

debianlist
- Original Message - 
From: "Axel Minck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Debian-User Mailing List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:06 PM
Subject: Sound after restarting from win$$


> Hi,
> 
> After restarting from windoze (I know, it's bad but I am forced to use
> it for my work) to linux I have no sound.
> Has someone a solution to avoid turning off the computer before starting
> linux?
> Thanks
> 
> Axel
> 
> 
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Re: dhclient losing it's ip after time...

[D. Clarke]

That's right, I don't get a DHCPACK when ipmasq is started.

I just get

DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to 24.226.1.41 port 67
over and over again, until i drop the masq, then i get an ACK no problem.



- Original Message -
From: "dman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: dhclient losing it's ip after time...


> On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 01:16:58AM -0500, D. Clarke wrote:
> | Hi,
> |
> | I have a problem with dhclient losing it's ip after a while.
>
> Look in your syslog to see what dh-client is trying to do.  You should
> see entries similar to :
>
> Feb 27 06:45:53 dman dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to 64.213.112.1
port 67
> Feb 27 06:45:53 dman dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPACK from 64.213.112.1
> Feb 27 06:45:53 dman dhclient-2.2.x: bound to 64.213.114.152 -- renewal in
32400 seconds.
>
> If you see some DHCPREQUEST lines with no DHCPACK, then the problem is
> that you aren't getting an ACK from the server.
>
> -D
>
> --
>
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> turning a man from the snares of death.
> Proverbs 13:14
>
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apt logs

[Scott Henson]

Is there anyway to keep a log of what exactly has been upgraded and
installed, and when it was upgraded or installed.  I am just wondering
this because it might be useful if I ever do an upgrade and it screws
everything up.  I am asking now as kind of preventive medicine in case I
do ever screw anything up.  I would like to maybe record the exact
command issued and what was installed because of that command.  Is there
any program or script already able to do this, or am I going to have to
write it myself.  Thankyou for anyhelp.
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Re: Broken /proc? [SOLVED}

[Karsten M. Self]

on Wed, Feb 27, 2002, Richard A. Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:51:16 -0500, Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> 
> >On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 01:57:38PM -0600, Richard A. Smith wrote:
> >> Last week I did an 'apt-get update' of a debain unstable and now I've
> >> noticed that my /proc fs  is broke.  
> >> 
> >> It appears to be mounted correctly and all the entries show up if you
> >> do a 'ls' but if you actually try to look at an entry its just blank.
> >
> >Well, you're not the only one to see this problem...  I always though I
> >was!  I never figured out what caused it, and I haven't seen it in
> 
> I actually solved it that night but I didn't post because I didn't
> see any response.  But since a few others had the issue I'll outline
> what fixed it for me.
> 
> For me turns out the the /proc *was not* mounted.  Even though mount
> said it was.  Somehow I managed to copy a snapshot of the procfs onto
> the actuall /proc directory.  In otherwords /proc was not an empty
> directory.  It had a snapshot of a previously running system.  
> 
> Somehow this caused /proc to not get mounted from fstab.  But oddly
> enough only /proc, all the other filesystems in fstab mounted
> correctly.  And typing a 'mount' indicated that /proc was mounted.
> 
> I discovered it by looking at /etc/mtab which said that /proc was
> _not_ mounted.  

Careful there.

/etc/mtab gets its information from mount commands and/or /proc, which,
if it's not mounted (or your / partition is mounted ro) means that
/etc/mtab doesn't have definitative data.

Neat little secret:  /proc can be mounted multiple times, or rather, you
can mount a proc filesystem at multiple places on your FS tree.  I do
this routinely when, say, booting a rescue floppy to examine an
installed GNU/Linux system (or one that I'm building), after chrooting
into the install tree, so that utilities in the chrooted partition work
properly.  At this point, /proc/mounts (from either a booted or
chrooted shell) shows multiple proc mounts.  

Other useful information: if you're in the habit of mounting partitions
from a chrooted shell, _umount_ the partitions before exiting the shell,
you can't properly umount them from the non-chroot shell.  If you forget
to do this, chroot back in and clean up after yourself.

So:  mount an additional proc filesystem and compare contents,
particularly your secondary proc's 'mounts' file:

$ mkdir /proc2
$ mount -t proc proc /proc2
$ cat /proc2/mounts

$ umount /proc2; rmdir /proc2

> Once I did a rm -r on the fake /proc all was well.  So I guess the
> moral is don't trust the output of 'mount' if things are flaky or at
> least cross check it with /etc/mtab.

In general, if you're not sure of /proc's status or your root
partition's writeability, neither the 'mount' command, /etc/mtab, nor
/proc/mounts are going to be trustworthy.

Peace.

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Debconf X config doesnt offer mouse protocol choices

[Alan James]

I think I should be using "Intellimouse" or "Auto" for my usb mouse however
debconf doesnt offer me the option.

The relevant section in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is :

Name: xserver-xfree86/config/inputdevice/mouse/protocol
Template: xserver-xfree86/config/inputdevice/mouse/protocol
Value: ImPS/2
Owners: xserver-xfree86
Flags: seen
Variables:
 choices = ImPS/2

On another machine I have a full range of choices listed, and ImPS/2 isnt one 
of 
them. Is it ok to just edit this file and put the proper list in or is there
some way of fixing it properly?

I tried:
apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xfree86 --purge
but it didnt help

Alan

Re: Sound after restarting from win$$

[Richard A. Smith]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:06:09 +0100, Axel Minck wrote:

>Hi,
>
>After restarting from windoze (I know, it's bad but I am forced to use 
>it for my work) to linux I have no sound.
>Has someone a solution to avoid turning off the computer before starting 
>linux?

I've had issues with windows shutdown de-configuring the hardware
such that linux wasn't able to set it back up properly.

After running windows 98 my 3C590 card gets incorectly set to IRQ 0. 
Removing the module and re-inserting it usually fixes it but
sometimes I have to reboot again directly into Linux.

Have you tried removing the module and re-inserting it? And which
kernel are you using?

My probs are with a 2.2.17 kernel.  Newer 2.4.x (x>12 or so) kernels
are _much_ better at PCI enumeration and resource allocation.  But I
haven't upgraded this particular machine yet so I can't say if it has
fixed my issues.


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using Woody vs testing

[Ken Irving]

I'm wondering about the difference between using "woody" vs "testing"
in apt-sources.  I currently have "testing" in my systems, but perhaps
"woody" might be preferable.  Assuming woody (as current testing) does
what I need, it ought to continue being sufficient once it becomes 
stable.  What happens to testing when woody becomes stable? Does sid
(suddenly?) become testing?   I'm sure the answers to these questions
are in the documentation, so any pointers (RTFM) will be appreciated.

Ken

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Re: Which mail suite

[Alex Malinovich]

On Wed, 2002-02-27 at 08:09, Bill Moseley wrote:

> - How many email folders do you have, and total messages?  I think I've got
> about 100 folders and about 50,000+ messages currently, and some have
> indicated that startup would be slow.
(Note: Don't forget to send your reply to the list as well for the
benefit of folks searching the archive in the future.)

As I've only got 3 users I've only got about 15 folders with ~10,000
messages. So far, I haven't had any problems with it. As long as you
don't have all of the 50,000+ messages in ONE folder, I don't think
speed will be much of an issue.
 
> - If you neeed to ssh into your machine from a remote location what
> text-based client do you use?

Pine

Hope that helps. :)

-Alex


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Re: Which mail suite

[Alex Malinovich]

On Wed, 2002-02-27 at 10:59, Michael Jinks wrote:

> > Now if only I could figure out a way to make my address book accessible
> > from anywhere...
> 
> LDAP/SSL?
> 
> Haven't done it myself but we have it in testing here at the U. (many
> thousands of entries) and it seems to work pretty well.

I started on it just the other day as a matter of fact, but I gave up
after a few hours. My clients couldn't connect and I couldn't figure out
how to add new accounts without being root. I'll probably try it again
some day.

-Alex


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Re: about network config

[Alex Malinovich]

On Wed, 2002-02-27 at 08:38, debianlist wrote:

> In win2k, I am using DHCP to connect internet. In Debian,can I use the 
> information(ip,DNS Server..) get from in win2k to manual config network in 
> Debian?

Assuming you have your DHCP server configured properly, Debian can get
the same info from it that your W2K machine can. Thankfully, DHCP isn't
(yet... :) a proprietary M$ protocol. (Though I'm sure they're working
on it...) Just make sure you've got pump installed and you should be all
set.

-Alex 



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NTFS Mount

[Bodnyk, Bruce W]

What syntax of the mount command would allow be to
mount a shared NTFS directory on an NT system on Linux. I'm assuming
this is possible!

Thanks!
Bruce


Bruce W. Bodnyk
Staff Engineer, CAE Development
FCI Electronics
825 Old Trail Road
Etters, PA 17319-9351

Phone: (717) 938-7543
Fax: (717) 938-7224
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Broken /proc? [SOLVED}

[Richard A. Smith]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:08:12 -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:

>So:  mount an additional proc filesystem and compare contents,
>particularly your secondary proc's 'mounts' file:
>
>$ mkdir /proc2
>$ mount -t proc proc /proc2
>$ cat /proc2/mounts
>
>$ umount /proc2; rmdir /proc2


Ahhh... Excellent tip.. I had not even considered this.  

>> Once I did a rm -r on the fake /proc all was well.  So I guess the
>> moral is don't trust the output of 'mount' if things are flaky or at
>> least cross check it with /etc/mtab.
>
>In general, if you're not sure of /proc's status or your root
>partition's writeability, neither the 'mount' command, /etc/mtab, nor
>/proc/mounts are going to be trustworthy.

However, the fact that they were different tipped me off that
_something_ was bogus and that I could not trust what mount was
telling me.  So the fact they are different is a clue to investigate
further.  But I'll note the above.  The only true way to cross check
it to mount a new procfs and take a look.  Excellent advice.

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RE: NTFS Mount

[Kurc, Marcin A.]

Did you try this one?
mount -t smbfs //nt_server/remote_dir /local_dir -o
username=username,password=""

Marcin Kurc
CAD Systems Administrator
Cooper-Standard Automotive 

-Original Message-
From: Bodnyk, Bruce W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Debian-User Mailing List
Subject: NTFS Mount


What syntax of the mount command would allow be to
mount a shared NTFS directory on an NT system on Linux. I'm assuming
this is possible!

Thanks!
Bruce


Bruce W. Bodnyk
Staff Engineer, CAE Development
FCI Electronics
825 Old Trail Road
Etters, PA 17319-9351

Phone: (717) 938-7543
Fax: (717) 938-7224
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Re: Multisession CD

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed Feb 27, 2002 um 05:56:52PM:

> I backup my data on a CD. Therefore i create a multisession CD with cdrecord
> ( -multi option).

The -multi option is only the half job. You have to create the new
filesystem with references to the old content. See README.multi in
cdrecord docs.

> If i now try to read the CD i see only the file writed in the first session.
> 
> How do i access a multisession CD?

cdfs (cdfs-src package) allows you to "see" different volumes of a such
CD. Then you can mount them with -oloop.

Gruss/Regards,
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RE: apt logs

[Richard Wurdack]

Me too.

Having recently started using Linux, I'd like to see a log of what files
were put where, deleted, or changed.  It's sort of frustrating to run
apt-get, have it put 4MB of new stuff on the disk, and not know where any of
it went (or how to even start the thing you installed!).  Seems that
something like this should already exist; if not, maybe I'll make it a pet
project.

Richard Wurdack

 -Original Message-
From:   Scott Henson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:04 AM
To: debian-user
Subject:apt logs

Is there anyway to keep a log of what exactly has been upgraded and
installed, and when it was upgraded or installed.  I am just wondering
this because it might be useful if I ever do an upgrade and it screws
everything up.  I am asking now as kind of preventive medicine in case I
do ever screw anything up.  I would like to maybe record the exact
command issued and what was installed because of that command.  Is there
any program or script already able to do this, or am I going to have to
write it myself.  Thankyou for anyhelp.
-- 
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Re: Multisession CD

[Gary Hennigan]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I backup my data on a CD. Therefore i create a multisession CD with cdrecord
> ( -multi option).
> I write some sessions. every session has exactly one file with a unique name
> over all sessions.
> If i now try to read the CD i see only the file writed in the first session.
> 
> How do i access a multisession CD?

RTFM. 

man mount


Mount options for iso9660
[snip]
   session=x
  Select number of session on multisession CD. (Since
  2.3.4.)

Gary

backup with tar

[Raffaele Sandrini]

Hi

I use tar to do my backups.

For now i allways do full backups. Is tar able to treat only changed files? 
That would make my bakups smaller... :-)

cheers,
Raffaele
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gconv-modules??

[Elias]

Estoy intentando instalar GNOME y cada vez me da más problemas. Según 
apt-get check no puedo instalar "libgtk1.2" porque el paquete 
"gconv-modules" no está instalado. ¿De donde me bajo ese paquete? No lo 
encuentro.


Actualmente tengo instaldas las librerias inestables libc/libc-dev 2.2.5-3 
porque las necesitaba para instalar el XFree86 4.2 para que mi GeForce2 
fuera soportada.

RE: backup with tar

[Kurc, Marcin A.]

Sure does
check -g option, incremental ...

Marcin Kurc
CAD Systems Administrator
Cooper-Standard Automotive 

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From: Raffaele Sandrini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:02 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: backup with tar


Hi

I use tar to do my backups.

For now i allways do full backups. Is tar able to treat only changed files? 
That would make my bakups smaller... :-)

cheers,
Raffaele
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RE: Jerky, jumpy mouse problem...

[Scott Henson]

On Wed, 2002-02-27 at 09:51, Sam Stern wrote:
> Hi James,
> 
> Try disabling GPM. Disabling this service (and stopping it's running
> instance) fixed the problem both on my workstation and my laptop.
> 
I think you can also set GPM to repeat.  Or atleast that is what all the
man pages say.  I have tried this several times and I cant get it to
work.  Anyone ever gotten this to work?  Can you give me some pointers
on how to get it to work? Thanks.

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Re: using Woody vs testing

[Jeff]

Ken Irving, 2002-Feb-27 09:18 -0900:
> 
> I'm wondering about the difference between using "woody" vs "testing"
> in apt-sources.  I currently have "testing" in my systems, but perhaps
> "woody" might be preferable.  Assuming woody (as current testing) does
> what I need, it ought to continue being sufficient once it becomes 
> stable.  What happens to testing when woody becomes stable? Does sid
> (suddenly?) become testing?   I'm sure the answers to these questions
> are in the documentation, so any pointers (RTFM) will be appreciated.
> 
> Ken

Start here:

http://www.debian.org/releases/

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Diggin' Debian  Admin and User

can't detect network card

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hI:
    In installation, Debian can not detected my 
pci network card. how can i get it to work?
 
Thanks

Re: Installing kernel-image-2.4.17-k7

[Faheem Mitha]

On 27 Feb 2002, Bill Moseley wrote:

> I had started the process of building a kernel yesterday before being so
> rudely interrupted by sleep.
>
> I'm currently running 2.2.20 but upgrading to 2.4.17.  I had tried once
> before to use a kernel-image, but ended up with a kernel-panic that I never
> followed up on.  This system was installed Woody and upgraded to Sid.
>
> I'd like to try using kernel-image-2.4.17-k7 for the experience of using a
> packaged kernel, and then also I'd have a very close .config to start with
> when I want to build my own kernel from source.

> So, I'd like to avoid the kernel panic this time with the
> kernel-image-2.4.17-k7 package.  What steps do I need to take to make sure
> I will end up with a bootable image?  Someone mentioned that moving to the
> more modular 2.4 kernel might have been the problem - something about not
> setting up initrd?

> I'd also like to also use lilo.conf to be able to select which kernel (I
> can figure this out, but I mention it as I'm not sure if just apt-get'ing
> the kernel-image will do this by default).

> Anyway, last time I just apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.17-k7, but
> perhaps that was not enough.  I poked around looking for docs, but mostly
> found info about compiling my own.  Any pointers?

Hi Bill,

i would personally not bother at all with the precompiled images. It is a
very straightforward matter to compile your own kernel. You also don't
need a .config file to start with. When you start up make menuconfig or
make xconfig it will present you with its list of default settings. If you
were to make no changes at all but simply exit and save you would get a
default .config. In most cases choosing options using xconfig is very
straightforward, unless you have exotic hardware. You can (and should)
generally turn off entire subsystems which are enabled by default like usb
or sound if you don't have the appropriate hardware. If you need to enable
them, you probably should look at te appropriate howtos (if they exist).

Examples of the kinds of issues that come up are

a) Do I compile it into the kernel or as a module? As a rule of thumb,
devices external to the base system (device drivers etc) are a good choice
to compile as modules. Sometimes they need to be loaded in a particular
order.

b) If you are dualbooting with a Windows installation, you might want to
enable fat32/ntfs filesystem read support.

c) You'll want to disable pcmia if you are not using it. This seems to be
something that doesn't have a proper default. At least it I don't explicly
disable it, the kernel compile process always stops and asks me questions
during compilation.

d) You should enable ext3 support. It is simple to configure and works
fine with 2.4.17.

e) In some cases you can't enable some option till you have enabled
another. It is sometimes not obvious (and not well documented) what that
other option should be.

f) You'll need to need to know in advance which drivers are needed by your
sound card, ethernet card, etc. For this, it can be helpful to have
another networked machine handy so you can use Google.

If you want to send me a copy of your .config (as an email attachment) if
you are not sure about something, and a description of your hardware I can
make specific suggestions. I don't know what initrd is, but that has never
affected me, and I've built kernels on several different systems AMD/Intel
with 100% success (no issues whatsoever). The first time I did it I had
just finished reading the docs and didn't know anything more than you do
now. It is quite easy as long as you are careful. Don't let anyone
convince you otherwise.

Sincerely, Faheem Mitha.

Re: using Woody vs testing

[Eric Richardson]

Ken Irving wrote:

> I'm wondering about the difference between using "woody" vs "testing" 
in apt-sources.  I currently have "testing" in my systems, but perhaps

> "woody" might be preferable.  Assuming woody (as current testing) does
> what I need, it ought to continue being sufficient once it becomes
> stable.  What happens to testing when woody becomes stable? Does sid
> (suddenly?) become testing?   I'm sure the answers to these questions
> are in the documentation, so any pointers (RTFM) will be appreciated.
I'm not sure what others do but putting woody is safer as when woody 
becomes stable then sid becomes testing.




> > in apt-sources.  I currently have "testing" in my systems, but
> perhaps "woody" might be preferable.  Assuming woody (as current
> testing) does what I need, it ought to continue being sufficient
> once it becomes  stable.  What happens to testing when woody
> becomes stable? Does sid (suddenly?) become testing?   I'm sure the
>  answers to these questions are in the documentation, so any
> pointers (RTFM) will be appreciated.

I'm not sure what others do but putting woody is safer as when woody 
becomes stable then sid becomes testing.


Eric

Re: Bastille on Debian?

[Vineet Kumar]

* Lance Heller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020227 10:02]:
> 
> What magic, if any, must be worked to have Bastille run on Debian?  

apt-get install bastille

=)

(not on potato, though.)

good times,
Vineet

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mouse problems after switching to Woody

[sam]

Rather than go into a lot of detail on my problems, I would prefer to get
a reliable reference to a comprehensive discussion about the installation
and trouble shooting of mice.  I am currently using Woody (Debian 3.0), a
ps/2 modem, AMD 500 Mhz cpu -- in other words, nothing very unusual or
fancy. 


If no good reference exists, can some computer science or engineering
instructor suggest this topic to one of their more adventurous students as
a term project, or even as a Masters thesis.  By the way, I don't
understand why many exchanges on the Debian lists refer to unpredictable
mouse problems from unknown sources:  Are mice and their software really
stochastic machines, or are those people merely as ignorant as I am
(which is very)?

Thanks for any help.

sam

Re: Jerky, jumpy mouse problem...

[Zane Dodson]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 02:15:50PM -0500, Scott Henson wrote:
| On Wed, 2002-02-27 at 09:51, Sam Stern wrote:
| > Hi James,
| > 
| > Try disabling GPM. Disabling this service (and stopping it's running
| > instance) fixed the problem both on my workstation and my laptop.
| > 
| I think you can also set GPM to repeat.  Or atleast that is what all the
| man pages say.  I have tried this several times and I cant get it to
| work.  Anyone ever gotten this to work?  Can you give me some pointers
| on how to get it to work? Thanks.

I have used this successfully.  IIRC, the repeat_type wasn't
set properly to work OOTB for an IntelliMouse-compatible mouse.
GPM and X config file snippets included below.

== /etc/gpm.conf BEGIN 
device=/dev/psaux
responsiveness=
repeat_type=raw
type=imps2
append=""
sample_rate=
== /etc/gpm.conf END ==


== /etc/X11/XFree86Config-4 BEGIN =
...
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "CorePointer"
Option  "Device""/dev/gpmdata"
Option  "Protocol"  "ImPS/2"
Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
EndSection
...
== /etc/X11/XFree86Config-4 END ===

The above works for me.  HTH.

Best regards,

--
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Re: can't detect network card

[Vineet Kumar]

* debianlist ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020227 11:40]:
> In installation, Debian can not detected my pci network card. how can
> i get it to work?

Did you complete the installation (as from CDROM or such) or were you
trying to do a network install that never got off the ground?

If you have a system installed, you can try to see what the OS sees on
your PCI bus with the lspci command. It's available as part of the
pciutils package. If it is listed there, then the next place to go would
be to find out what type of card it is and what driver it uses, and
arrange to have that module loaded into the kernel at boot time. If it's
not listed in the lspci output, make sure it's plugged in right and/or
test it in another machine to find out if it actually works.

Vineet

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Re: Jerky, jumpy mouse problem...

[The Doctor What]

Is there a place to put this in the FAQ or in the XFree86 Config
program?

You need to up the Resolution.  If it's an optical mouse, try
something like 1600

If it's XF86Config-4, try:

   Option "Resolution" "1600"

in the input mouse section.

Ciao!

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메일의 제목에 [수신거부]라는 글귀가 말머리에 있어야 만이 수신거부 등록이 처리 됩니다.  ì •ìƒì ì¸
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무관하므로 걱정하지 않으셔도 됩니다.본 메일은 정보통신부 권고 사항에 의거 제목에 [광고]라고 표기한 광고
메일이며,수신을 원치 않으시면 하단의
수신거부를 눌러주시면 더 이상 발송되지 않습니다. 



 

Re: Installing kernel-image-2.4.17-k7

[Stan Kaufman]

Faheem Mitha wrote:

> On 27 Feb 2002, Bill Moseley wrote:
>
> > So, I'd like to avoid the kernel panic this time with the
> > kernel-image-2.4.17-k7 package.  What steps do I need to take to make sure
> > I will end up with a bootable image?  Someone mentioned that moving to the
> > more modular 2.4 kernel might have been the problem - something about not
> > setting up initrd?

I just installed 2.4.17 on a new woody box, which involved an upgrade from the
2.2.14 potato system my floppy install disks created. The kernel-image package
provided clear notice during installation that the bootloader needs to be 
altered
in order to find the new image, since it's handled differently from the 2.2.x
kernels. Since I use lilo, it was a simple matter of adding a couple of lines to
the right entry in /etc/lilo.conf:

image=/vmlinuz
label=Linux
initrd=/initrd.img
root=/dev/hda2   # wherever your boot partition is
read-only

etc etc...

You'd have to handle this differently with different bootloaders no doubt;
perhaps sid now does things differently too (?). Anyway, once you've altered
lilo.conf and run lilo, the kernel install runs flawlessly.

> > Anyway, last time I just apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.17-k7, but
> > perhaps that was not enough.  I poked around looking for docs, but mostly
> > found info about compiling my own.  Any pointers?

Should be enough; the package maintainer's scripts clearly said "Don't go any
further until you've fixed your bootloader". It would have been more helpful if
there had been more explicit info about how to do so, but that's what the
archives of this list are for!

That said, all of Faheem's suggestions about rolling your own kernel are great
ones.

Stan

Re: Bastille on Debian?

[Andrew Pritchard]

> What magic, if any, must be worked to have Bastille run on Debian?  
> 
> TIA
> 
> Lance

There is a bastille package available for testing and unstable machines:

# apt-get install bastille
# InteractiveBastille

If you want to run bastille from an console then you also need to install 
libcurses-perl.

Don't know about stable machines.

Andrew

"I do not agree with what you say,
but I will defend to the death your right to say it." 
Francois Marie Arouet Voltaire (1694-1778)

Re: security vs. potato?

[Joey Hess]

will trillich wrote:
> i suppose this is a conundrum for the developers -- normally
> security fixes are beamed back to potato in a hurry, but ssh
> (version 1) has security troubles, and to fix them would
> introduce a new package (ssh2) which is against 'stable'
> policy...

As far as I know fixed for all known ssh 1 security holes have been
backported to the ssh in potato.

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Re: Which mail suite

[Petro]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 05:52:50AM -0800, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-02-27 at 07:39, Stefan Bellon wrote:
> > I'd like to set up my Debian box to fetch mail from my ISP with POP3S.
> > Then, the fetched mails should be made available to a local IMAP server
> > so that I can read them from all machines in my local network.
> > I'm using unstable and I'd like to know which packages are best suited
> > for this task.
> > And one further question: If I want to be able to see log copies of
> > outgoing mail sent from computer A when working with computer B, does
> > this work with IMAP as well? I.e. can I put log copies into the IMAP
> > server as well? Or what route should I take there?
> Sounds like you want my system. :)
> Use fetchmail to get POP3 mail and dump it into your IMAP inbox. I use
> imapd for the actual IMAP server. Any IMAP server should work though.
> After you're done with this, make an IMAP folder (I call mine "Sent")
> and set up your mail client(s) to put copies of sent messages into that
> folder rather than a local one. With the exception of an address book,
> no matter where you access your mail from, it'll be exactly the same as
> using it from your home machine. Quite handy.
> Now if only I could figure out a way to make my address book accessible
> from anywhere...

httpd. 

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Share and Enjoy. 

Re: mouse problems after switching to Woody

[Stephen Ryan]

On Wed, 2002-02-27 at 14:52, sam wrote:
> 
> Rather than go into a lot of detail on my problems, I would prefer to get
> a reliable reference to a comprehensive discussion about the installation
> and trouble shooting of mice.  I am currently using Woody (Debian 3.0), a
> ps/2 modem, AMD 500 Mhz cpu -- in other words, nothing very unusual or
> fancy. 
> 
> 
> If no good reference exists, can some computer science or engineering
> instructor suggest this topic to one of their more adventurous students as
> a term project, or even as a Masters thesis.  By the way, I don't
> understand why many exchanges on the Debian lists refer to unpredictable
> mouse problems from unknown sources:  Are mice and their software really
> stochastic machines, or are those people merely as ignorant as I am
> (which is very)?
> 
> Thanks for any help.

Well, without knowing exactly what your problem is, most of the fixes
have been the same - remove gpm because it gets in the way (having both
X and gpm trying to access the mouse simultaneously is bad karma) and
make sure you have the correct device and driver specified in
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4.  

I suspect that anything more serious ends up being a "replace the mouse,
they're cheap" solution, just because it would take more time and money
to troubleshoot and repair than to just buy another one - but that's
just my take on it.

Anyone using distributed-net?

[pellegrini]

Hello.

Is there anyone out ther using distributed.net?

I just installed it, and README.Debian says:

>Remember: be sure to visit http://rc5stats.distributed.net/, look up your
>email address, and add your efforts to the LinuxNet team or the Linux Internet
>Support Cooperative team  (same people who host irc.debian.org), or another
>worthy team!

>Also, on the same web pages, you will find links to the Non-Profit voting
>system. There, you can vote on a non-profit corperation that will get a cut
>of the prize money. There are lots of worthy organizations there, but let me
>take the opportunity to plug Software in the Public Interest, Debian's
>parent company.

Bu I found neither a way to look up my e-mail, nor the links to the non-profit 
voting system...

Is the README file outdated?

Thanks,
J.

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Re: using Woody vs testing

[Dave Sherohman]

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 09:18:23AM -0900, Ken Irving wrote:
> What happens to testing when woody becomes stable?

Some time before woody becomes stable, it will be frozen and a new
name will be assigned to testing.  testing will go on receiving
packages from unstable just like it does today.  So we'll go from:

unstable -> sid
testing  -> woody
stable   -> potato

to

unstable -> sid
???  -> testing
frozen   -> woody
stable   -> potato

to, finally,

unstable -> sid
???  -> testing
stable   -> woody

> Does sid
> (suddenly?) become testing?

No.  sid will always be unstable.

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Re: mouse problems after switching to Woody

[Dimitri Maziuk]

* sam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> 
> Rather than go into a lot of detail on my problems, I would prefer to get
> a reliable reference to a comprehensive discussion about the installation
> and trouble shooting of mice.  I am currently using Woody (Debian 3.0), a
> ps/2 modem, AMD 500 Mhz cpu -- in other words, nothing very unusual or
> fancy. 
> 
> 
> If no good reference exists, can some computer science or engineering
> instructor suggest this topic to one of their more adventurous students as
> a term project, or even as a Masters thesis.  By the way, I don't
> understand why many exchanges on the Debian lists refer to unpredictable
> mouse problems from unknown sources:  Are mice and their software really
> stochastic machines, or are those people merely as ignorant as I am
> (which is very)?

Yes.

You have serial, bus, PS2 and USB mice, that's different hardware.
( => different drivers, of different quality. E.g. USB support in 
linux is not as mature as, say, serial port support, so here's one 
potential source of problems.)

On top of that, you have a bunch of different communication protocols 
for (at least) serial mice, and mouse driver has to understand them all.

If that's not complicated enough, X and console use different mouse 
drivers, and if you want to use the mouse on both, you have to make 
them play nice with each other.

Last, but not least, you have mouse manufacturers who can't get the
protocol right half the time (the other half wants to use a super-
secret proprietary extensions to the protocol).

On a positive note, PS2 mice, 2.4 kernel with devfs,
CONFIG_MOUSE=y
CONFIG_PSMOUSE=y
and /dev/misc/psaux as mouse device works fine with gpm or X
(but not both: maybe it does, but I haven't tried.)

Dima (did that help?)
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Re: Installing kernel-image-2.4.17-k7

[Faheem Mitha]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Stan Kaufman wrote:

> Faheem Mitha wrote:
>
> > On 27 Feb 2002, Bill Moseley wrote:
> >
> > > So, I'd like to avoid the kernel panic this time with the
> > > kernel-image-2.4.17-k7 package.  What steps do I need to take to make sure
> > > I will end up with a bootable image?  Someone mentioned that moving to the
> > > more modular 2.4 kernel might have been the problem - something about not
> > > setting up initrd?
>
> I just installed 2.4.17 on a new woody box, which involved an upgrade from the
> 2.2.14 potato system my floppy install disks created. The kernel-image package
> provided clear notice during installation that the bootloader needs to be 
> altered
> in order to find the new image, since it's handled differently from the 2.2.x
> kernels. Since I use lilo, it was a simple matter of adding a couple of lines 
> to
> the right entry in /etc/lilo.conf:

Hmm. I use grub and I didn't have to do anything different to setup the
2.4 kernels. I believe that kernel-package has now some support for grub,
but I don't know the details. I just did update-grub and modify the
entries as necessary. Grub seems to be an easier method than lilo in this
situation, as it is in others.

Here is what the entry on one of my machines looks (created by
update-grub; I just modified the root from (hd0,0) and the root from
/dev/hda1.)

title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.4.17
root(hd0,5)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.17 root=/dev/hda6 ro
savedefault

title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.4.17 (recovery mode)
root(hd0,5)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.17 root=/dev/hda6 ro single
savedefault
   Faheem.

Re: Installing kernel-image-2.4.17-k7

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
Bill Moseley wrote on Wed Feb 27, 2002 um 06:41:05AM:

> So, I'd like to avoid the kernel panic this time with the
> kernel-image-2.4.17-k7 package.  What steps do I need to take to make sure
> I will end up with a bootable image?  Someone mentioned that moving to the
> more modular 2.4 kernel might have been the problem - something about not
> setting up initrd?

Edit /etc/lilo.conf. Locate the line containing = /vmlinuz. Insert a
line after that with initrd = /initrd.img.

> I'd also like to also use lilo.conf to be able to select which kernel (I
> can figure this out, but I mention it as I'm not sure if just apt-get'ing
> the kernel-image will do this by default).

It will set the /vmlinuz symlink to point to the recently installed
image. /vmlinuz is normally used in lilo.conf as the default kernel. And
/vmlinuz.old as the previous kernel.

> Anyway, last time I just apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.17-k7, but
> perhaps that was not enough.  I poked around looking for docs, but mostly
> found info about compiling my own.  Any pointers?

If you are not sure, use the kernel-image-2.4.17-bf2.4 package. It is
compiled without initrd and should have the same boot behaviour as 2.2.x
kernels.

Gruss/Regards,
Eduard.
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