[Debconf-team] BoF "Gitify ALL the things" still possible?
Dear all, it has been suggested that I apply for a slot for a general BoF about Git-based tools, their use cases, possible paths from there and just a general Git-together (scnr). Please note that this BoF is not Debian-specific in nature; I don't know if or how that affects your decision. If accepted, I would try to broaden the scope beyond Debian as much as possible, most likely via #vcs-home on OFTC. Rough agenda: * what are your use cases for Git outside of source code management * what are your tools, especially if not on this list: (I would prepare that list) * for authors of those tools, what are things you want to tell people about them? * for users of those tools, what are use cases which are not covered completely or enough? * for authors: ideas? concepts? will-have-to-code? WONTFIX? Optionally * how can the video team use git-annex to ease their work As I said, the last point is optional in the context of this BoF and will be talked about with or without any BoF during DebConf. People who I strongly suspect, or know, will have an interest in attending are CC'ed. I would just as gladly coordinate, take minutes, or simply discuss. All those options are fine to me. -- Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] A/V opt-out for speakers (Re: Thinking of organising a special mini-debconf
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > a.) tell the talks+video team before the talk that you dont want to be videoed > (or only audioed), thats totally fine. (But we really should have this in the > conference management system.) Open Source Days in Copenhagen made me sign a waiver on which I could also select a license for my talk. Requiring such a waiver is a low-tech way to ensure there's actual consensus. Another option would be a required field in penta where you _have_ to select if you want to be taped/audio recorded/whatever else. Formalizing either, or a different, process for appearance and license would make it easy to avoid any "pushing of boundaries" and do so in a non-discriminatory manner. Doing this in penta would allow attendees to attend non-taped talks and watch taped talks later. > b.) I'd be happy to "accidently loose files" if the presenter(s) wish so... I > know this is frustrating to the videoteam who recorded it, so I absolutly > prefer notice in advance, but hey, the rights of the persons filmed are more > important than a bit work wasted. Personally, I don't see a reason to lose the files; simply stating that any request such request will be honored would be enough, imo. > On a related note: we should probably also provide an area in the audience > which shall not be filmed, not all attendees are comfortable with that. The > problem with this is that this can only happen on a best effort basis... That may be hard in practice, especially considering that there's a second camera facing the audience to take shots of people asking questions and, sometimes, full view of attendees and their reactions. If we start down this road, color-coded name tags to designate people who do not wish to be photographed are another logical step. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] A/V opt-out for speakers (Re: Thinking of organising a special mini-debconf
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > I don't think we want anything so elaborate as a signed waiver; and I also > think we can and should assume that by default people giving talks are ok > being videotaped and need to opt out, otherwise people will overlook the box > and we'll wind up chasing all speakers down to find out what they really > want. But having preferences captured in the registration interface is > definitely something we should do. Defaulting to yes is fine, but the field should still be required or simply not a allow an empty option. > The main reason to attend a talk in person, rather than just watching it on > the video stream, is to be able to participate. If the talk is being video > taped, and you don't want to be on video, you obviously aren't going to be > reaching for the microphone, so there's no reason you need to be in the > room. What I meant is "if you know one talk is taped and the other is not and want to see both, you would most likely attend the non-taped one". Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] A/V opt-out for speakers (Re: Thinking of organising a special mini-debconf
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Michael Shuler wrote: > While I think the ideas expressed so far are good for completeness, I > don't recall a recent DebConf that did not have a 3rd, 4th, or more > additional talk or BOF rooms that are not streamed/recorded. These > rooms can certainly be utilized for those talks that wish not to be > videoed. As a remote attendee for the last few years, having a talk > scheduled for one of the main rooms to find it "cancelled for > streaming/recording" would be disappointing. Very valid point. Asking this via penta would allow the talks team to schedule such talks in untaped rooms. There's still the option of "audio and slides only", but unless that's an actual option it's hard to gauge interest in this. That would will allow remote participation, arguably making it even easier. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] A/V opt-out for speakers (Re: Thinking of organising a special mini-debconf
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > as someone who has been on the talks team in the past (i was basically > AWOL this year) it would help us in talk scheduling to have a tristate > option in penta for talk submitters: This is starting to feel like bikeshedding, but here's my 2 cents: * I/we don't care (default) * I/we would prefer a video recording, if possible * I/we would like an audio recording along with video of my slides, if possible * I/we do NOT want to be recorded As someone has to implement and follow this, minimizing workload on both talks and video team seems prudent and the above still allows for personal choices. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Thank you Ad
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > It is arguably not overly original, but fits quite well the minimalistic > design guidelines we have followed during DebConf13. Suggestions and > improvements welcome. I agree that there should be a reference to the other sponsors, as well. Additionally, I would like to see a link to slides and talks etc so that people who may not even know what DebConf is have a chance to look at the actual content. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Proposal for sponsorship levels (and registration fees) for DC14
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Patty Langasek wrote: > I feel that the bags are a benefit to the conference, and bags are widely > given at "professional" conferences across many different industries. Correct. And for good reason also; it's useful for attendees and it allows a decoupling of the time it takes to sort and arrange the swag from actually handing it out. That should make front desk's life easier. As an aside, LinuxCon EU had separate front desk and swag desk. That way, it was decoupled even more. > Bearing in mind, "bags" can be anything from plastic bags (well, probably > not in Portland. Yuck.) to the light-weight totes that we had at DC10 > (which are pretty popular in this area atm) to small little over the > shoulder affairs like what we had at DC4 to actual messenger bags like > DC13's. So, there's a wide variety, and deciding *if* we want a bag is > probably more necessitated by deciding *what kind of bag* we want. >From a practical POV, tote bags will probably have the highest chance of actually being used after the conference. I don't know anyone who actually uses conference-provided messenger bags. Does anyone else? Richard PS: As DebConf13 had other t-shirts around as well: LinuxCon folded the two shirts that were given away into each other in matching sizes. That allowed them to hand out two shirts in one go. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debconf15 timeline
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > Not cc:ing the bid teams intentionally as I expect them to read this list and > reply... *raises hand for German team* I have to admit that I am not familiar with the decision process of DebConf; I have been trying (admittedly with low-ish priority) to find out what the status of the bids was for the last week or two. Very good timing on your side, then :) Is there anything we should be doing? Other than the, obvious in hindsight, "turn up for the next meeting in #debconf-team"? Thanks, Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Please make a DC15 decision before March — poll included
Dear all, Interest in the dudle has not been very high but the dates in it are approaching. Are any more votes forthcoming? Either way, how do we break the tie between the various options? Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Please make a DC15 decision before March — poll included
What about Norway? Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Please make a DC15 decision before March — poll included
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:50 PM, martin f krafft wrote: > Martin is involved in a bid so he'd prefer if a neutral person did… Holger, will you decide, then? Richard -- Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Please make a DC15 decision before March — poll included
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > I can. when should I? As I am involved with the bid, I am not sure I can say that. Objectively, I note that one option has six yes, but one no from Moray, so that may not be ideal... -- Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Migrating infrastructure from svn to Git
Dear all, there seems to be very strong consensus to move from svn to Git. If you object, voice your concerns _now_. I hear gaudenz has been investigating this in the past; hearing from him would be appreciated. Assuming there are no major blockers, expect a migration within a few weeks at max. A more detailed timeline and instructions will be published well before that. During migration, the svn repository will receive a final push that blanks the working copy and puts in a single README, detailing the process of how to switch over. History will obviously be retained indefinitely. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Questions to the bid teams
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:22 AM, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Wouter Verhelst [2014-02-20 10:02 +0100]: >> None that I am aware of (other than "don't run around naked", but hey >> ;-) > > Gosh, with such ridiculous standards, how should we ever attain the > quality of DC5 and DC6? Legally speaking, you can run around naked in public places in Germany as long as there's clearly no sexual intention and you are not actively trying to be disturbing. Belgium tends to be as liberal as Germany so maybe we _can_ attain that quality. Sweden is probably too cold :( RIchard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] German two-bid strategy
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > I understand that the reason for the two German bids is that this would > allow the team to negotiate better conditions from the two options if > they win the bid. While that is true, there is no reason why these > negotiations could not have happened before today; in fact, one could > argue that the whole point of the bidding process is to have this kind > of negotiations take place with the stick of a little competition behind > the door; we have, in fact, been talking to some options with that as an > added note of information. We obviously put venues into competing positions already, but please keep in mind that due to the sheer size of our sample set[1] there's an upper limit on effort. It's also hard to get anyone to commit if we cannot commit ourselves, and for that we need to know whether our team will host DC15 before entering negotiations. In our experience, initial quotes based on what-if and finalized pricing tend to vary wildly. We agreed from the start that only venue options which we considered better than all other bids would make our short list and we pruned our list aggressively. E.g. Nuremberg is as least as developed as either Mechelen or Karlskrona, but we didn't include it on purpose to focus on the very best of the best. > As such, this strategy feels a bit like trying to game the system to me; > by keeping their options open when winning the bid, the German team gets > something of an unfair advantage -- I would be quite upset if debconf15 > goes to Germany on the idea that one of the two bids is better than > Mechelen, only to then find out that this one bid can't work out and we > have to go to the other location. We are sorry if you feel this way and this is not our intention. We are not trying to win a game; we want to make the best possible DebConf15 happen and chose our strategy accordingly. We communicated our approach and status clearly, publically, and in English on the DebConf wiki. It would have been possible for all other teams to chose a multi-pronged approach as well, given time and resources. That we did so, and that we managed to come up with more than one option, is proof that our team is willing to invest a _lot_ of time and effort into doing things early and thoroughly, and that we do not take chances. Turning this around and making it a disadvantage does feel arbitrary at best. > By postponing the decision in this way, the German team is in effect > bypassing the decision meeting's deadline; this feels especially acerbic > in light of <20140121032028.ga23...@fishbowl.rw.madduck.net>, where > Martin asked for a quick decision. >From what we know, the only real deadline was to submit bids by the end of 2013, and we submitted our bid in time. That we developed several alternatives all along and submitted two of them does not bend any rules we are aware of. By the deadline, there was only one valid bid. We deliberately avoided calling attention to this to ensure that all bids could become the best possible bids by the time a decision is made. > I'm not asking to disqualify the German team, or anything of the sorts. > However, I am asking the German team to reconsider their strategy; I > understand their desire to keep their options open, but I think it's not > the best strategy on the whole. We debated this extensively and we strongly feel that this is a valid and, for us, the optimal approach. Matter of fact, we believe that our approach is better than focusing on a single venue too early which results in limited options, and we would wish that more teams should use the same strategy. > If the German team decides not to change their strategy, then I would > like to reiterate Patty's question of last night, and ask the committee > to please consider both options when deciding; that is, the German bids > should only win if the committee considers that _both_ German options > are superior to all other options. To be precise, one option should be better and the other one at least as good as all other bids. You could even argue that if all four venue options are considered equal, having two options in one bid would be an advantage. If this is a concern that's shared by the committee, it is well within their right to consider our bid as two separate bids which happen to share the local team. We believe that this would not be a good choice, but bow to it if that would make the difference between winning and losing the bid. We would also like to point out that the venue is only part of the bid. The ability to raise sponsor money and the size, redundancy, dedication, timeliness, and commitment of the local team should be taken into account as well. All our answers to this list have been vetted, improved and co-authoren by several people before being sent out. At all meetings, several of us could make it somehow. Contrary to that, the other bid teams seem to be spearheaded by one or only a few pe
Re: [Debconf-team] close debconf15-team@l.d.o ?
Agreed. Mixing dc14 and dc15 is bound to lead to confusion. Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Can anyone design a "Sponsor DebConf" banner and/or print ad to be run on our media partners website(s) and/or magazines?
In what magazine(s) and language(s)? Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Michael Banck wrote: > My point kinda was that I thought the BBQ was the better Conference > Dinner. I wouldn't mind if we just had another one with some additional > social events one evening and scrap the traditional conference dinner. I agree with Ana that these are all impression by self-selected people, not hard data, but I would like to join the general consensus that day trip is more worthwhile than the conference dinner. Personally, I found the boat trip nice, but rather formal and static. There was almost no intermingling once you sat down. Contrary to that, both the day trip and the BBQ allowed people to talk to a _lot_ of different people in an open and relaxed atmosphere. I agree with Patty that a day outside which allows people to sit and relax or to hike to one or tow locations of different difficulty would be best. I agree with Martin that this can nicely be folded into a large BBQ at the end of the day. One thing to keep in mind: This is dependent on the weather, so if the weather turns out to be bad, museum hopping or some such could be a cheap backup. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] daytrip + budget (Re: Updated budget for DC14)
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:23 AM, martin f krafft wrote: > To add to that: I've heard in the past that "DebConf is not the > place where everyone is keen to go into nature or engage in physical > activity". Let's not think like that. Obviously, not everyone will > join, and we do have people with limited ability. But if we give off > the impression that the day trip is only for sports freaks and > nature geeks, then we're ourselves cutting into attendance. Rather, > I think we must ensure an inclusive programme, and a default > expectation that everyone joins — and assume/communicate that in > everything we do. The daytrip should neither cater to the extreme of "remain in front of laptop all day" nor to "run a marathon", but cover middle ground. Having a nice middle ground outside should be acceptable to all, if accessible, though. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] daytrip + budget (Re: Updated budget for DC14)
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:14 AM, Patty Langasek wrote: That's actually kind of what I'm planning. Only, the picnic is accompanied > by waterfalls. > I assume you are referring to Multnomah Falls[1]. Out of interest: How near is this to other hiking destinations/activities and a large-ish open space where a horde of Debian people can establish base for half a day or so? Is BBQing outside allowed? Richard [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multnomah_Falls ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] daytrip + budget (Re: Updated budget for DC14)
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: > Not immediately adjacent, no. The rough plan is to take buses between > various stops in the gorge, with lunch outdoors as a group at a nearby > state > park. I'll let Patty speak to the details. > That sounds like a cheap way to fill a day with changing activities. Forcing people to switch buses every time would increase intermingling even more. -- Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf 15 Legal Entity
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Moray Allan wrote: > Again, I can believe this is the best version for Germany, but in many > places you could just create a limited-liability company rather than seek > insurance. > For completeness' sake, registering a Limited in Germany (non-profit or for-profit) requires you to pony up at least 25.000 € in advance. This is why insurance is cheaper. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] About the DC15 entity and authority (was: DebConf 15 Legal Entity)
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Andreas Barth wrote: > I even think using your by-law is a good starting point, and only > adjust what is necessary to adjust. > >From what I understand, madduck is working closely with German lawyers familiar with the matter. Without having had the time to do an in-depth review, I am unsure if throwing away that work would be a good use of our time & resources. I agree that safe-guarding the eV against a rogue board, however unlikely, seems to be a cheap and easy fix, though. IANAL etc., Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 fiscal year (was: DebConf 15 Legal Entity)
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 7:32 AM, martin f krafft wrote: > However, starting the fiscal year not on 1 January is exceptional, > and starting it not on the first of a month even more so. While it's > not impossible, Andi's right in saying that it'll mean additional > steps and additional dealing with the financial authorities. > If we don't really save effort by juggling around the start date, why not start on 01.01 or 01.02., then? End-of-year crunch periods suck and public offices etc will be closed, anyway. OTOH, many people are home during the quiet days before New Year's... Giving ourselves an extra month would mean that offices are open and most infrastructure is operating normally. Personally speaking, I won't have much time during that phase due to FOSDEM preparations, though. RIchard -- Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] GSoC students / DebConf14
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Pablo M. Drake wrote: > One cuestion Works for peoples who lives in Cuba?? > It's best to ask your local embassy, I'd say: http://havana.usint.gov/visa_appointment_information.html http://spanish.havana.usint.gov/visa_appointment_information.html Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf 15 Legal Entity
I added all my feedback via Git so jftr: I am quite happy with the state we reached by now. On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 9:21 AM, martin f krafft wrote: > If this is what we want… sounds fine to me, even though it means > that a meeting of 4 people can cause change of bylaws, if 3 people > agree. However, we cannot guard against all malice anyway. > We could add a safeguard that there's a grace period of two weeks after such a decision. If more than 50% of active/honorary members object, in writing, within that time, the decision is reversed. This is a corner case, though. The only other thing I see as of right now is that extraordinary votes go through the board or a board-designated proxy. I would prefer to have that run through someone external, like the Debian secretary, to avoid potential abuse by the board. Also a corner case, but slightly more realistic, imo. And I say that as someone who intends to run for board (unless there's already a strong candidate pool for the board, I guess). Also see da569cf00705df82ade627d1bcb793d49f75a8d6 in Git. Text like "einer den Mitgliedern des Vereins vertrauenswuerdigen Person" might fit the bill, here. Again, I am very happy with our current state, mainly thanks to madduck for driving this, Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf 15 Legal Entity
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:44 PM, martin f krafft wrote: > Realistically speaking, we're hardly ever going to meet in person, > but online, because we are not all based in the same city. It might > make sense to make in-person meetings require a quorum and let IRC > meetings always be quorate. > Not a bad point. Because otherwise, the people in Munich (where the Verein is based) > could pretty much do whatever they want, knowing that the rest of > the Verein will not be able to just travel to Munich. > At least the dissolving of the Verein needs prior notice, but you are right. The Munich Cabal of Cabals of Cabals could, in theory, no pre-annouce stuff and then force it through. > I won't be opposed to it, but I really can't work any more on this > and we should no longer delay sending it in to the authorities… > If we can agree that this is worthwhile, I can put something in a branch which can (or can not) be merged. > > > Text like "einer den Mitgliedern des Vereins vertrauenswuerdigen > > Person" might fit the bill, here. > > I do not think it is possible for all members to all trust one and > the same other person. > That would be the legal blah with an internal understanding that this refers to Secretary, a TO, or a public mailing list. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf 15 Legal Entity
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:05 PM, martin f krafft wrote: > > That would be the legal blah with an internal understanding that > > this refers to Secretary, a TO, or a public mailing list. > > You would have to define a procedure by which such a person is > elected. > How about we designate a proxy in the first general assembly? That's an easy way out. In case that proxy fails for whatever reason, we have a public Condorcet vote. Everything else is probably too much hassle. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf 15 Legal Entity
Valid points; agreed. Do you need any final review or are we good to send the doc off? Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf 15 Legal Entity
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 9:38 AM, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Richard Hartmann [2014-04-24 > 09:06 +0200]: > > Do you need any final review or are we good to send the doc off? > > I think it's ready to go. I am just trying to remember what we > decided on the Debian Deutschland e.V. vs. DebConf Deutschland e.V. > cs. DebConf15 e.V. naming front. > I don't think it matters a lot. Debian Deutschland e.V. makes potential re-use easier, else it's just a name of no importance. Toss a coin? I think we will need to apply for the use of the "Debian" trademark, but with my trademark team hat on: That should be OK ;) I am CC'ing trademark@ once (feel free to remove) to create a paper trail. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf 15 Legal Entity
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Richard Hartmann < richih.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote: > Debian Deutschland e.V. makes potential re-use easier, else it's just a > name of no importance. Toss a coin? > After the question simmered some more at the back of my head, I think I am leaning more strongly towards Debian Deutschland e.V. as it's the stronger brand name. IMO, this will help with sponsorship hunting. If you've never heard of us before and need to decide if it's worthwhile to give us money, you will find more impressive stuff with Debian than with DebConf. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf 15 Legal Entity
I don't see any of this as an issue, but I have no problem with any of those names. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf 15 Legal Entity
On Apr 25, 2014 12:56 AM, "Michael Banck" wrote: > However, if there are serious reservation about "Debian Deutschland" and > using the Debian trademark from the rest of the team (as Brian brought > up), it might make sense to go with "Debconf Deutschland", but I don't > mind either way. Just for clarity, I brought up potential trademark issues. Both Brian and me are on the trademark team, plus Joe Healy. The more I think about it, the more I think the Debian name helps find sponsors. And a self-sustained budget with a decent travel budget is one of the main prerequisites of a successful DebConf. Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] TO status for DebCOnf15's legal entity
Dear Lucas, there have been discussions about the status of the DebConf 15 legal entity and its status towards Debian. The two points of contention are a) handling Debian's money b) potentially carrying "Debian" in the name of said legal entity, as in "Debian Deutschland e.V." instead of "DebConf Deutschland e.V." For a) there are precedents of trusting the local organisation. For b), with my trademark team hat on, I don't see any issues even if the organisation does not become a TO. As Brian disagrees and Joe has not chimed in, we are tied within the trademark team as of right now. We do not have the time for long deliberations as an option with the venue will lapse if we wait too long with signing contracts and as we need the legal entity as contractual partner. Yet, I have become convinced that using "Debian" in the name will ease sponsorship efforts. This means a higher chance of a balanced budget and a larger travel budget. This directly benefits Debian. As discussed in #debian-dpl, due to those time constraints, and in the spirit of collaboration, I am hereby submitting an intial response to the requirements for becoming a TO[1]. If you think it unlikely that we will gain TO status please say no sooner rather than later; we would rather do without Debian in the name than lose too much time. All that being said: 1. The organization should share Debian's general visions We are (almost?) entirely made up of DDs, most of us have had Debian in our lifes for more than a decade. We agree with the Social Contract, the DFSG, and the Debian Constitution. 2. The organization should remain loyal to Debian See 1. Going against Debian's best interest now or in the future would not only be stupid beyond description, it would also wipe out our collective reputations. 3. The organization should provide accountability on assets held in trust At a minimum, we will create yearly accounts and share this data with Debian Auditors and anyone else the DPL deems useful. 4. The organization should be reliable, sustainable, and reactive We think we proved how quickly we operate. Many of us hold other positions of trust. As to sustainability, we do not know if this organisation will die after DebConf15 or if we will use it in the future as well. This decision will be made after DebConf15 and we will get the input of the community and the DPL. 5. The organization should provide a reasonable financial framework We are aiming for tax-exempt status and are working with pro-bono lawyers to make sure this happens. 6. Additional opportunities This is happening to make DebConf15 the best possible DebConf we can deliver. On behalf of the DC15 team, Richard [1] https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DPL/TrustedOrganizationCriteria ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] TO status for DebCOnf15's legal entity
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Adding auditors to Cc, and quoting in full. Thanks. > Sure. But now that we have a process for establishing TOs, I'd rather > use it. In this case, I am glad we raised the point and have clarification. This obviously increases priority for TO status and also clarifies procedure for DC15+. > What would be a suitable deadline for making a final decision and TO > status and name? TO status: I _think_ before we start accepting donations Name: We meet in person on 03.05.2014 and would like to found the eV at that point > Thanks for that. I'm commenting inline, but could you please reply with > a full new version suitable for sending to -project@? Yes. > I think that gaining TO status is a realistic outcome, and that we > mostly need to flesh out some details. That's good to hear! Let's see how quickly we can maneuver through -project ;) Thanks, Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity
Dear all, the German local team for DebConf15 is in the process of incorporating itself. We need a legal shell for signing contracts, taking in donations, and for insurance reasons. Plus, we are expecting to gain non-profit status which means tax exemption and thus more money for making DebConf15 better. Before anyone raises this point: Yes, we tried contacting[1] FFIS, but they have not even answered in more than four weeks; we are not confident that they would be more reactive going forward and do not consider them an option any more. At Lucas' request, we are aiming to become a Debian Trusted Organisation[2]. As Lucas asked for our timeframe: We will be meeting in person[3] on 2014-05-03 and would like to officially found the organisation at that time. We do not have the time for long deliberations as our option with the venue will lapse if we wait too long with signing contracts and as we need the legal entity as contractual partner. This could result in increased cost for DebConf, and thus less travel sponsorship. Of course, we will need to have decided upon a name by then. The three options are: * Debian Deutschland e.V. * DebConf Deutschland e.V. * DebConf15 Deutschland e.V. >From our understanding, German tax authorities don't like throw-away/single-use non-profit organisations, but we have no proof of that, so please speak up if you have experience. Also, at least Ganneff and me would be willing to carry on the e.V. after DebConf15 if this is deemed useful to Debian. Given FFIS' performance (the above isn't a one-time event only, it's been this way for a long time), this seems likely. Also, having "Debian" in the name can help with finding sponsors. Within the trademark team, Brian Gupta, Joe Healy, Lucas Nussbaum, and myself are working on an actual policy for granting the Debian trademark as part of a legal name; as of right now the policy draft could be summarized as "needs to be a TO, trademark team does verification, and DPL needs to agree explictly". Also, as TO, we would be handling Debian's money in the context of DebConf15 and potentially afterwards. All that being said, our answers to the requirements[4], including feedback to questions from Lucas are: 1. The organization should share Debian's general visions We are almost entirely made up of DDs, most of us have had Debian in our lifes for more than a decade. We agree with the Social Contract, the DFSG, and the Debian Constitution. Confirmed attendance[3] of potential[5] founding members: Andi Mundt Arne Wichmann Christian T. Steigies Franziska Lichtblau Hannes von Haugwitz Joerg Jaspert Margarita Manterola Martin Krafft Maximiliano Curia Michael Banck Penny Krafft Rene Engelhard Richard Hartmann Sandro Knaus Unconfirmed attendance: Constanze Stohn Philipp Hug Sebastian Harl 2. The organization should remain loyal to Debian See 1. Going against Debian's best interest now or in the future would not only be stupid beyond description, it would also wipe out our collective reputations and remove the common cause that unites us as DebConf15 team members. At Lucas' request, we are working with our German lawyer to add something like "board members must be DDs" or similar into our constitution, but this will be a non-trivial legal construct, especially given that the Verein (association) is legally required to be an independent legal entity whose highest decision-making body is the members' assembly. Therefore, it'll be really hard to codify external influence as requested. For the German tax office, it'll be a stretch to bestow authority to an international formation such as Debian, and we certainly want to avoid having to explain what Debian is and how we make decisions. Whether we can make this happen or not: the board needs to approve new members before they can join and thus vote anyway. As a consequence, hostile take-over is very unlikely. We would _highly_ appreciate knowledgeable and legally-sound input on this. If you are a German lawyer or can get one to make a statement in their capacity as a lawyer, do speak up! We are also in the process of finding out what, if any, other TOs have similar constructs in place. As those are mostly in other jurisdictions, we are not sure if any constructs can be cloned over to Germany. Input from Lucas if he considers this an optional extra or a requirement would also be useful. 3. The organization should provide accountability on assets held in trust At a minimum, we will create yearly accounts and share this data with Debian Auditors and anyone else the DPL deems useful. Upon request of the Debian Auditors, we will provide current balance and other information. We do ask Auditors not to request too much information during the high phase of DebConf15, though. 4. The organization should be reliable, sustainable, and reactive We think we proved how quickly we operate. Many of us
Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > I'm running some throw-away non-profit organisations, and have not > experienced problems. Have the tax authorities been made aware of this in advance? For how long are those organisations running? > Debconf has a different tax situation than a normal TO setup > (especially given the amount of money might bring us into VAT if we > like it or not), so keeping those apart has some advantages to reduce > long-term overhead. I fail to see how, please expand. > Also, having that seperated, reduces the risks > from debconf on "normal" debian assets. For this reason, I would > recommend to have a throw-away legal entity for debconf, and > independendly form a debian-owned legal umbrella in Germany. As this organisation will not hold non-DebConf Debian money or other assets at first anyway, I do not see any risk. And even if it does, I am still not sure what the actual risks would be unless you assume we will run DebConf15 deep into red figures. > You can use that name independend of how the legal umbrella is named. > One of my legal umbrellas is named "Trägerverein HST", but runs the > brand "Horber Schienen-Tage". This naming has not caused any issues. > The relation between Debconf, the Debconf15 e.V. and Debian would be > similar - related but not the same letters. We are aware of that and would still use the name "Debian" in our correspondence. Yet, some of us (me included) think this sends a stronger message, increasing the potential for donations. Thanks for your input, Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 legal entity
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 8:50 AM, martin f krafft wrote: > http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=debconf-data/dc15.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd4fe0c0de7d39ad5ed25518b1e57200c75d4e4c > is an attempt to achieve this, which I'll need to run by the lawyer. > Comments welcome ASAP, please. The invitation part sounds cumbersome, but I can't come up with a better alternative. Can your lawyer suggest wording? This may be preferable. If not, I would say it's OK. Maybe change "lädt der Verein" to "kann der Verein [...] einladen". Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] TO status for DebCOnf15's legal entity
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > Right, this is my point. Not having the organization named "Debian" does > not prevent the sponsorship team from saying "Debian" during the sponsorship > process; and no one has ever reported that there was a problem where a > sponsor has committed and then been unwilling to pay because of the name on > the invoice. This is less about it being a problem and more about it potentially helping. Either way, I take it you don't object to TO status nor "Debian" in the name, you merely wanted to state your opinion on sponsorship? Thanks, Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] TO status for DebCOnf15's legal entity
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > I've previously given my opinion on the name, that there should be a very > high bar for naming any organization "Debian". Even if the board was > composed entirely of Debian developers, there's a risk that using such a > name could weaken Debian's trademark, or lead to future conflict around the > use of the trademark. Thanks for pointing this out; I missed that. As stated earlier, we are in the process of coming up with actual guidelines within the trademark team. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf governance & 'Debian Deutschland' name and TO status
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Philipp Hug wrote: > If we had DebConf15 chairs, they could be involved from the beginning > without having to bother about DC14 at the same time This would make sense, imo. This is something the chairs could decide by themselves. I also note that for whatever reasons, chairs are absent from these discussions. As an aside: Tighter feedback loops would generally make some things easier. As it is, it feels a bit as if DC15 team is working on something, reaches consensus, presents consensus and only _then_ do we get broad feedback (and most of it dissent (though silence from the rest can often mean agreement)). This may be a bit in the nature of teams working somewhat independently and then reporting back, but it still feels less efficient than possible. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > So I'm not against considering the idea of keep the DC15 TO after DC15, > but this will clearly have to be weighted against the disadvantages of > this option. We decided to go with a single-use eV for DebConf15, because: * of the valid points aba raised wrt taxes * of the discussion about the name and concerns from various parties * we value moving quickly and without (too much) resistance over a mere name Please note that the by-laws may not reflect this directly for legal reasons. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:56 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I personally think that this could be enough, but would welcome more > opinions on that. Same and same. We would appreciate more feedback on this (and on when silence will be interpreted as implicit consensus). Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] FFIS and the situation when the DebConf Verein should ever be closed
Confirmation beforehand would be nice if they deem to answer... Can we change the recipient later? If a Debian eV comes to life the money should go there Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] FFIS and the situation when the DebConf Verein should ever be closed
If you really worry we can found two eVs, but that will mean name discussions, bikeshedding, force us to keep up one eV, and we have a similar problem for the later eV. Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Code of Conduct
On May 2, 2014 2:49 PM, "Enrico Zini" wrote: > [Good stuff] I agree. To me, the CoC is a safety net and reference which exists, but should not be invoked just so. It's there if you really need it but DebConf as a social entity should be able to self-regulate in most if not all cases. Richard, Who just thought of delightfully evil Mao rules PS: Maybe we need a talk named "Seven words you can't say at DebConf" ;) Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity
Dear all, as announced some time ago, we will incorporate DebConfDeutschland e.V. tomorrow. All founding members will be DDs with the full list being sent as a reply to this email after the fact. Given that: * We will not be using the name "Debian" * We are not planning to run for more than necessary for DC15 We would like to know: * If we need TO status * Assuming yes, what the next steps are Thanks, Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > As you already described how you met the TO criteria in > , > I think that we can safely say that the minimum two weeks discussion > period started on 2014-04-26 (and thus ends on 2014-05-11). Works for me. Just to make sure: This means that unless someone raises objections, we can expect you to rubberstamp our status (and tell us what, if anything, else we need to do at that time?) >From the docs, the last step is not entirely clear to me, but it really seems to be as simple as you saying "they are TO, please add to your list" and sending to auditor@ Thanks, Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > The last step was never used so far AFAIK. > But it could probably be implemented as a d-d-a email providing the updated > list of TOs, and a page on the Debian website listing TOs and referencing > the d-d-a email. > (Similar to delegations and https://www.debian.org/intro/organization) Re-reading everything, I think the "proper" way is for you to ask auditor@ to update the list of TOs. It would make sense for auditor@ (or you) to follow delegation templates. Richard PS: FWIW, they are maintaining TOs in the wiki, but a real page may be even better. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] t-shirt artwork
Hi Valessio, I can't answer for DC14, but DC15 already has some designers working on a logo and we would love to have more help if you have the time. Thanks, Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [DRAFT] Call for Help: DebConf14 travel sponsorship team
+1 Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity
Dear all, just for the record, we incorporated ourselves on May 3rd as planned; the official name is "DebConf Deutschland e.V.". Work to be granted the status of non-profit is well under way. All seven founding members (the legally required minimum) are DDs and we all agree that we will keep the member count to the functional minimum; changes in intent away from Debian's best interest are thus virtually impossible. The founding members are: * Michael Banck * Rene Engelhard * Richard Hartmann (chairman of the board) * Philipp Hug * Jörg Jaspert (vice chairman) * Martin Krafft (treasurer) * Margarita Manterola Of note in TO context is that: * Philipp Hug is a member of the Debian Auditor team (pending official delegation) and has agreed help keep an eye on the monetary side of the e.V. * Jörg Jaspert is a vice president of SPI, a Trusted Organi[s,z]ation As far as I can see, all concerns have been addressed, many of them above and beyond what was required. The two week discussion period has also passed Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] A proposal about scheduling for DC14
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Jonathan McDowell wrote: > Fri, August 22: Arrival day. Dorm check in available after noon. > Minimal hacklabs. No talks. > Sat, August 23: First day of conference. Opening immediately after > brunch. Slots for 4 talks afterwards (inc DPL). > Sun, August 24: Full day of talks; start post brunch, 15 slots. > Mon, August 25: Full day of talks. 18 slots. > Tue, August 26: Full day of talks. 18 slots. > Wed, August 27: Day trip > Thu, August 28: Hack day. BOFs either side of lunch (6 slots). > Fri, August 29: Hack day. BOFs either side of lunch (6 slots). > Sat, August 30: Hack day. BOFs post brunch (3 slots). > Sun, August 31: Last day of conference. Post brunch lightning > talks (1hr30?), closing plenary, done by 4pm. > Hacklabs open. > Mon, September 1: Leaving day. No hacklabs, leave rooms by noon. Unless there's a hard need for three hack days in a row, why not intermix the two a bit? Having two distinct blocks feels weird, to me. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] A proposal about scheduling for DC14
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Jonathan McDowell wrote: > AJ's point, which I think is valid, is that if you get into deep hack > mode you don't really want to be interrupted by talks. There's some > leeway for the talks team to decide what exactly would count as a BOF > but I think that having a run of days set aside for getting practical > stuff talked about and done is a worthwhile experiment. Same as Steve, I feel this is a bit block-ish. How about talks hack/bof talks day trip talks hack/bofs hack/bofs Then you still have two solid days of hacking, but a bit of intermixing. Another advantage is that talks which spark spontaneous BoFs become easier to organize (though I don't know how flexible the overall schedule will be when it comes to last-minute BoFs). Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity
Dear all, is there anything more I can (or need to) do? Thanks, RIchard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debconf15 logo contest: voting begins
Dear all, Can we do concordet instead of single-vote? There are online tools like [1] so there's no need for devotee or similarly complex workflows. Also, I know that this is too late, but I threw another hat in the round. It's a mix of 4 and 5; I filed it under 10 but only added it to the overview, not the voting page. Richard [1] http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~legrand/rbvote/calc.html ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debconf15 logo contest: voting begins
Dear all, Can we do concordet instead of single-vote? There are online tools like [1] so there's no need for devotee or similarly complex workflows. Also, I know that this is too late, but I threw another hat in the round. It's a mix of 4 and 5; I filed it under 10 but only added it to the overview, not the voting page. Richard [1] http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~legrand/rbvote/calc.html ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debconf15 logo contest: voting begins
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Penny Leach wrote: > As to your logo, not sure what we should do about that. What did you > intend by adding it to the overview? I consider 4 & 5 the best, but wasn't truly happy with either of them. I realized _why_ and mixed the good parts. As I was after the deadline, I didn't just want to change the voting page, though. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debconf15 logo contest: voting begins
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Penny Leach wrote: > Since 10 (& now 11) are both remixes rather than new logos I'm happy to > add them to the voting table if people think it's reasonable. I took the opportunity to open a new vote with Concordet and the new options. Penny: Feel free to delete that section People who voted already: Please vote again in the new vote People who didn't vote yet: Please vote in both old and new in case the new one falls through Sorry for rushing ahead but I feel this is best, Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] A proposal about scheduling for DC14
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Jonathan McDowell wrote: > On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 09:58:29PM +0200, Martín Ferrari wrote: >> So, I think these numbers are very misleading, and should not be used at >> this point for planning. At least until the reconfirmation period. > > So we shouldn't plan what's on what day until people have confirmed what > days they're coming? How will you decide when to turn up if you don't > know what day things are actually on? If I know I can come I will start looking for flights. Depending on how I can juggle cost, travel time, and arrival date, I will then find out when I can arrive. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [rmayo...@debian.org: Summit - Propose a event form fields]
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:16 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > Do we need to ask the presenter permission to email them things like "please > review your title slide: http://...png"; and later "your video is here: > http://"; I know what you are getting at and with half a video hat on I _strongly_ support that the video team is allowed to spam speakers with "this is your talk, please review X" as else, a lot of work will stick to Carl. -- Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debconf15 logo contest: voting begins
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Richard Hartmann wrote: > I took the opportunity to open a new vote with Concordet and the new options. If you (re)vote, please make a full list as my online tool can't use partial ones. Thanks, Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debconf15 logo contest: voting begins
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Richard Hartmann wrote: Peope who still need to re-vote as of right now are: algernon Debcool h01ger hvhaugwitz Miriam sim6 Sledge vorlon Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debconf15 logo contest: voting begins
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Richard Hartmann wrote: > Peope who still need to re-vote as of right now are: I poked the remaining ones via mail. As of right now, we have a tie, so we need more votes :) Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-discuss] debconf15 logo contest: voting begins
Break the tie by voting? Most people re-voted instantly anyway, so... Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debconf15 logo contest: voting begins
Dear all, voting has closed and K has won. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debconf15 logo contest: voting begins
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Richard Hartmann wrote: > voting has closed and K has won. After some more thought, this is a valid point and it should have been raised earlier. We can do a logo with rounded-off borders&edges or something, but that will still stand out in print, etc. On the other hand, there was overwhelming support of the underlying design with most differing votes within that group being about colour scheme, etc. For a short time, L was tied... I would argue that there's a certain artistic freedom when it comes to hard realities like adapting to print. Valessio, can you whip up a few optimized versions soon? From what I hear the sponsorship brochure and website are moving as well so we should have final, optimized versions by then. Thanks, Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Getting the network running
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > If I make it to Portland I can certainly come a few days earlier and > help with network setup if needed. I'm not sure yet if I can make it at > all though. Same. For reference, I did most of the actual AP deployment for DC13. I have ten left thumbs when it comes to crimping, but my dayjob is taking care of large networks, so.. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Getting the network running
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Kees Cook wrote: >> All devices were flashed with OpenWRT. This is quite practical for two >> reasons (beside the fact that its Free Software ;-)): >> - It's easier to deploy identical configuraitons as you can copy around >> configuration files and don't have to click through a web interface. >> - You can configure different VLANs and trunk ports on the built in >> Switch of the APs. Most consumer grade APs are not VLAN capable. > > Yeah, my plan was for OpenWRT too. However, we'll defer to what's possible > with our equipment. :) While it's not strictly needed, renting equipment that supports an Access Controller can reduce management effort a _lot_, especially in case of unexpected breakage in an area, etc. If the bugdet allows for this, it should probably be considered. DC13 rented equipment from a company that's near to CCC so we got a discount. Richard -- Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Getting the network running
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > Even if a venue has gig in the walls, I have given up on it being reliable. > It is too easy for it to have problems during a talk, and that drops the > quality of the video and causes the video team to freak out. solution to > make sure that never happens: run a few 100' of cable. Depending on who you argue with, the cut-off for that is 50m, 100m, or 200m. Ifyou need anything longer, single mode fiber would be best if available. If the network hardware supports it, I have a few cheap sources in China... Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] PSU Network Requirements
Can they route prefixes? Getting temporary PI would be an option, but I don't know how to get those with ARIN. Can they drop an essid on a distinct vlan from their Wi-Fi infra? Could we/they add APs to their controller if we need more coverage? Same vlan could be used for wired. Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] PSU Network Requirements
As an aside, can you let freenode and oftc know what addresses will be used so we can i-line? Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] debconf15 logo contest: voting begins
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Re: [Debconf-team] PSU Network Requirements
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Kees Cook wrote: > Yeah, I want specifics on their VLAN -- I doubt they use a massive DHCP > network for a /16. :) With my FOSDEM hat on: doing this for a /18 is doable ;) Richard PS: I will find out how temp PI works in the US, just in case ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [rmayo...@debian.org: Summit - Propose a event form fields]
> BTW, do we want people to be able to upload their slides to summit? Yes. And other supporting material. Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] PSU Network Requirements
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > RIPE offers IP space for EU events like CCC. Ask them if they know about US? RIPE NCC would surely have an answer by 2018, yes ;) Sadly, ARIN is acting[1] in the way I have heard stories of great affection and well-meaning about from operators in the U.S If this is a way we need to pursue, CCC has a few PI prefixes we could borrow (unless otherwise taken for that time). I would rather not go in that direction unless we _know_ we need to. Richard [1] https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#eleven ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Planning the announcement of DC15's sponsorship drive
Dear all, we already talked about this within the DC15 team, but just to make sure that we are all on the same page: I think we should spam DPN, the -announces, reddit, friendly press publications, etc once we have: * non-profit status * basic sponsorship info * website with reasonably appealing design and sponsorship section The reason being that larger companies will most likely finish their budgets for 2015 in Q3 of 2014. Given that the first point will hopefully be done within the next two weeks (see my mail to dc15 list), is there a somewhat reliable ETA for the other two? Does anyone need help? Does anyone have free time and is able to offer help? I know both sponsorship and website are being worked on and have/will send status reports to the dc15 list today, but we should try to add deadlines for "good enough" for all vital parts, as well. Based on that, we should plan for maximum exposure of the sponsorship drive. Thanks for the hard work of all involved, Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf14 Cheese and Wine party venue
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Brian Gupta wrote: > I'm asking because if the two are largely in alignment, perhaps having > the attendees in compliance with the DebConf CoC, will be fine for PL? Turning this around, can the Debian & DebConf CoC be submitted to them and, if they are OK with it, simply be in effect during C&W as well? If not, where is their CoC so it can be looked over? I feel that sometimes people shoot over the top with their wording when a more nuanced, balanced, and inclusive approach would be better. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Final draft of HD contract
My only real comment would be that I can not yet put in all information before signing, but they are probably aware of that, so.. ;) Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf14 Cheese and Wine party venue
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: > I would say that there are lots of policies and rules that Debconf > attendees need to comply with to travel to the U.S. that they may not > agree with. I'm certain their policy is just along the lines of > covering them for any possible liability and about appropriate > conduct. WIthout wanting to bikeshed, wouldn't the pragmatic approach be to request a copy and go through it instead of making largely baseless assumptions? Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf14 Cheese and Wine party venue
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:35 AM, martin f krafft wrote: > On the upside of things, we'll be allowed to bring personal firearms > to DebConf14! \o/ Pity the default init system debate is over already... Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf14 Cheese and Wine party venue
Thanks! Do attendees need to confirm to theirs or is ours enough for them? Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Budget woes
(I am picking up some points from elsewhere in this thread, as well) On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: > In the process, I've taken a pass over the rest of the budget, and have bad > news: we have way more money in the DebConf14 accounts than we're actually > going to use. Oh the horrors ;) > - Water bottles Good idea, imo. If they are generic with only the Debian logo, overstock could be sold at other conferences etc along with the other Debian swag. > - Beverage service If the tap water is chlorinated or otherwise processed in a way that tastes strongly, water bottles may be a nice service indeed. In-room water bottles are not needed when you have reusable bottles, imo. While I personally don't want to over-coffee by perma-sipping, if others think this is worthwhile and the price is OK... why not. The rest of the options the catering monopoly is offering seem... monopolistic... > Should we pursue either of these options? Are there any other nice-to-haves > that we should consider adding? I know there is/was a Debian conference box in Europe which contains assorted gear of value at conferences. Think power strips, switches, etc. If gear needs to be bought anyway, maybe try and think of how it can be re-used in the future and shop with that in mind. Maybe getting that slightly larger and more sturdy switch is worth it if it can be used a few dozen times in the future. In particular, the video team may be able to benefit from this idea. This kind of future investment is in the back of my head if DC15 ends up being overfunded and we have similar "problems". Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf orga/governance sessions at DC14
As someone who is relatively new to DebConf, not Debian, but who jumped into the deep end: * There is obviously frustration in a lot of places, this is not good. * As someone who helped spearhead the successful DC15 bid, I found the process opaque, inefficient, ill-designed, and... frustrating * Timelines were ignored or redefined on the fly. Again, not good. I will not be present so I can't participate, but I have known of tension for a full year now and next to nothing, that I can see, has happened. I can not see how referring this discussion to mailing lists instead of a once-yearly possibility of meeting in person is helping; especially since there has been a year of de facto inactivity. If this discussion is not needed/wanted at all it should be communicated clearly. If it's useful, please let it start at some point. Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf governance discussion
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: > If you're against the chairs talking with people grouping them by debconf > year or global team, suggest something else. I understond that the goal > here is taking the time to hear what everybody has to say about the > problems and possible solutions. Re-reading Martin's email three times, I can see how it can be interpreted as "we will meet with all interested and concerned parties", but the first two times I read it, I understood it as "we will talk to each group individually, sequentially". Maybe this is a misunderstanding due to language barriers and imperfect wording. For the record, I think splitting up into smaller groups would be more divide and conquer and less include and solve. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Taking stuff for DC15 (was: (was: Budget woes))
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 7:19 AM, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Steve Langasek [2014-08-19 04:33 +0200]: >> I think we should make a point of sending this off with the DC15 >> crew at the end of the conference. :) > > This is a good idea, saves us logistic hassle and cost later, and > I have a huge allowance, so can take back a bag with 30k. Before > I bring an extra bag, however, I would like to be assured that there > will be a concerted effort to fill it sensibly. ;) The approximate volume would be 341.4 cm³ and the weight around 300g. If you roll and fold the bills tightly, they might fit into a coke can. In case you need help, ask Britney Gallivan [1]. Richard [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britney_Gallivan ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] RFC on the DC15 sponsorship brochure
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:35 PM, martin f krafft wrote: > and in time to hand out at FrOSCon Just so everyone knows: FrOSCon will take place next weekend, August 23rd and 24th. Richard -- Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] New proposal: DebConf governance in three moments
This sounds very good; thank you for sharing your views and driving this. For people not on site: is there a way to follow what discussions with whom are taking place when? Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf orga/governance sessions at DC14
Hi Gunnar, On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 7:28 AM, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > I do not believe the year was a stalemate. Things were done quite > differently than last year, and next year they will be done > differently, because the teams have very different compositions and > personalities. Many of us also have DebConf as a very recurring and > important part of our participation in the project - and we have > talked it over repeatedly. I can only interpret things from when I jumped into the pool, which is pretty much exactly one year ago so my view is naturally somewhat limited to the aftermath of DC13, the sidelines of DC14 and the DC15 process so far. As such, I didn't see much progress to perceived issues. Please do _not_ take this as backhanded chair bashing or anything of the sort. Being part of FOSDEM staff, I hold the highest respect for anyone who is willing to go through the stress and work it takes to make a conference a good conference. It's merely a statement of fact that I didn't see much progress in the limited time I looked. > We *have* had DebConf governance sessions in the past. They have been > half-successful... But half-failure. They tend to draw too many > uninvolved people, and to leave out many fundamental people (for very > understandable reasons). The plan as currently proposed by Tassia et al seems to address those concerns. Thank you, Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf orga/governance sessions at DC14
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > As Didier wrote, I think that > clearer statements of the problems, with the POV of various parties, > would help a lot. I'm thinking of statements such as: > "As a chair during the DCn organization, I felt that ..." > "As a member of the local team during the DCn organization, I felt that > ..." > "As a member of the sponsorship team during the DCn organization, I felt > that ..." > etc. Very good point. I started a wiki page to collect data. Feel free to reformat at will. https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/GovernanceProblemStatements Richard -- Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf orga/governance sessions at DC14
I like the idea of persistent(-ish?) sub-teams. Even though there seems to be unrest atm, I consider the video team a success story. Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 team photo today 15:30 in 329
How many people will you have? Faking more, or having stand-ins, may make sense. Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf organization working group
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 7:34 PM, martin f krafft wrote: > Second, we are going to discuss an idea by marga coming out of her > experience with DC8, wherein one team member's job is to poke the > others regularly. This person's contribution to DebConf is to keep > on top of things that need to get done and see them through. A ceremonial buttock-prodder is a good thing indeed. Also, if a few people work closely, asking each other for a status regularly forces everyone to keep on working. > Another idea is to have regular, short meetings. These are "soft > deadlines", but if decisions are being made that way, it becomes > a motivation for people to follow what's happening. This works well for us (DC15). Even if we agree to not meet on IRC as there's not much to say, we make that dependent on people with open tasks writing a summary in time for the meeting. Again, this forces everyone to keep on working. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf orga/governance sessions at DC14
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > PS: and I'm not so proud of DC15 team, I see only few people active. No > local people taking experiences in visa, registration, etc, which really > help planing communication to attendees. Would you be willing to create bullet points with specific items? Disregarding the current governance debate, if we can improve the preparations for DC15, we obviously want to look at that. Thanks, Richard -- Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] How do people feel about dispensing with the historical 1+ month break from organizing activities that takes place after DebConf?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 3:33 AM, Brian Gupta wrote: > I've observed it over the years, and feel that if we can summon the > strength to stay engaged, we can use the extra time, lessons are still > fresh from DebConf. > > We're always scrambling for time later in the cycle, so regaining this > time would likely prove incredibly helpful. This is what part of the current governance discussion is trying to address: If DC+1 is already well under way before DC, we all have more time to get things done. Also, I know DC15 people on site at DC14 want to help with the post-mortem of DC14; in part to ease the transfer of knowledge. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Day Trip Preparation Help
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Judit Foglszinger wrote: > Taking a penalty card for redundancy and wrongly suspecting the spam filter. Failure to take mental sanity of people not on site into account by mindlessly referring to the playing of the game of our dear leader. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Day Trip Preparation Help
Also, helicopter. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Assassins game
Of you hand over stuff, let the winner know beforehand; else they may be gone, already. Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] RFC: diversity and DebConf, calling for input
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 12:28 AM, martin f krafft wrote: > while DC14 is still hot, I would like to gather ideas on how we can > improve, specifically wrt diversity. To avoid cross-posting, I think "diversity" is both a very worthwhile concept and an overused buzzword. As a result, I would argue that we need to specify what we intend by using that word. Also see https://lists.debian.org/debconf15-team/2014/09/msg00013.html Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Separating Speakers and hiding Participants/Attendees in Summit
Why not just allow them to set themselves to be visible to Everyone, attendees, speaker, no one (just a number for statistics) Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
