Re: "Breaking Cliques at Events"
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: "Breaking Cliques at Events""):
> I really enjoy Debconf when I make it there, and loved Montreal, but I
> still had to spend a lot of the conference hiding, and I was totally
> exhausted when I got back. Wouldn't have missed it, but for me there's a
> high energy cost for interacting with people I don't know well and trying
> to juggle social signals.
I am like this too. (I have found that I have got better at it with
practice, but it's still very hard work.)
But I think a big point of going to a conference is precisely to
promote "fellow feeling" etc. - all that soft squishy stuff which is
such hard work. That includes both catching up with old friends but
also welcoming new contributors. So I try to put in the effort.
And when it gets too much, I also go and hide.
Or I might go and hang out with people I know better. But I think an
interesting point is that if a group want to go and do that, it would
be nicer to do it in a less public space. That way the public space
may feel a bit emptier, but much less cliquey.
And yes, I am generally exhausted afterwards. I think it's worth it
though.
Ian.
Re: Being nice to introverts/the highly sensitive (was Re: "Breaking Cliques at Events")
Marc Haber writes ("Re: Being nice to introverts/the highly sensitive (was Re:
"Breaking Cliques at Events")"):
> the following is happily based on my personal feelings and my personal
> experience. Please be sure not to generalize.
...
> Feeling even a remote suggestion of authorities to "please try to meet
> at least n new people each day and get acquainted with each other" will
> greatly reduce these opportunities, because even if I continue doing
> things "my way" it will increase my feeling of inadequateness, just
> because a loud small group of easy-going extroverts want to force their
> way of life upon me and suggest that my way is inferior in some way
> without actually saying so.
I'm sorry that you feel so attacked. As a non-easy-going
non-extrovert I feel differently about Chris's suggestion. Even
though Chris is, as you suggest, indeed asking me to do work I find
difficult.
If it helps please read it as "please try as much as you can" or "here
is a way you can help a conference be more welcoming". I'm sure none
of us want to ask more from anyone in Debian than we can give.
Ian.
Re: Being nice to introverts/the highly sensitive (was Re: "Breaking Cliques at Events")
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: Being nice to introverts/the highly sensitive (was
Re: "Breaking Cliques at Events")"):
> I'm not sure I have any great or insightful advice, but I think being a
> bit cautious about the line between invitation and pushing is the most
> helpful thing other people can do. I'm pretty good about putting my foot
> down, and even still I feel a bit of pressure to go along with something
> people keep trying to get me to do. With more power differentials or
> someone who's less comfortable just saying no than I am, it's possible to
> push people into doing things they don't actually want to do when you only
> meant to be inviting and encouraging.
Thanks for writing this. Indeed.
> This is tricky, since there *are* some people who prefer some
> encouragement to make them feel welcomed, while other people find
> encouragement an unwelcome push that they have to use social spoons to
> navigate. I can't say there's any formula which is going to work for
> everyone, and I'm sure I err on the side of adjusting for people like me.
I think it is right to err on the side of believing what people say,
when they say they don't want to do something...
Ian.
[1]
http://rockstardinosaurpirateprincess.com/2015/03/02/consent-not-actually-that-complicated/
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Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu, Taiwan
SZ Lin (林上智) writes ("Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu,
Taiwan"):
> We are delighted and proud to announce that you can now register for
> DebConf18!
Thanks.
> To register for DebConf18, visit our website at
> https://debconf18.debconf.org/register/.
Can you please publish somewhere the registration fees ? I am trying
to get my company's travel approval and need to have a cost estimate.
Also, can you tell me if you have enough accomodation to be able to
give individual rooms to people who pay extra ? I find it difficult
to sleep with other people in the room, so if individual rooms are not
going to be available at the venue, I would have to book a hotel.
Thanks,
Ian.
Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu, Taiwan
Paul Wise writes ("Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu,
Taiwan"):
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 12:03 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Can you please publish somewhere the registration fees ? I am trying
> > to get my company's travel approval and need to have a cost estimate.
>
> The registration form gives that information, some quotes:
>
> Professional - 200 USD / 6000 TWD
> Corporate - 500 USD / 15000 TWD
Thanks. I had assumed that this information would be made available
somewhere that didn't require logging in...
> I guess the local team will confirm if your request is feasible but I
> would guess that it is.
I'll look forward to their reply.
Thanks,
Ian.
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Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu, Taiwan
Hi. Thanks for your work on Debconf 18.
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu,
Taiwan"):
> Also, can you tell me if you have enough accomodation to be able to
> give individual rooms to people who pay extra ? I find it difficult
> to sleep with other people in the room, so if individual rooms are not
> going to be available at the venue, I would have to book a hotel.
I have registered and put this in as a special request in my
registration.
Can you confirm whether this will be possible ? If it is not
possible, I would have to book a hotel.
Ralf Treinen has posted to the debconf-discuss thread that would like
the same information.
Thanks,
Ian.
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Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu, Taiwan
SZ Lin (林上智) writes ("Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu,
Taiwan"):
> It's possible; however, we cannot make sure the status of
> accommodation now since the registration is still open. We will update
> the status after the close of registration on 21 June.
Hi. Are you able to confirm now whether this is possible ? (See
below.)
Thanks,
Ian.
> 2018-04-21 1:22 GMT+08:00 Ian Jackson :
> > Hi. Thanks for your work on Debconf 18.
> >
> > Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in
> > Hsinchu, Taiwan"):
> >> Also, can you tell me if you have enough accomodation to be able to
> >> give individual rooms to people who pay extra ? I find it difficult
> >> to sleep with other people in the room, so if individual rooms are not
> >> going to be available at the venue, I would have to book a hotel.
> >
> > I have registered and put this in as a special request in my
> > registration.
> >
> > Can you confirm whether this will be possible ? If it is not
> > possible, I would have to book a hotel.
> >
> > Ralf Treinen has posted to the debconf-discuss thread that would like
> > the same information.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ian.
> >
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Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu, Taiwan
Ping ?
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu,
Taiwan"):
> SZ Lin (林上智) writes ("Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu,
> Taiwan"):
> > It's possible; however, we cannot make sure the status of
> > accommodation now since the registration is still open. We will update
> > the status after the close of registration on 21 June.
>
> Hi. Are you able to confirm now whether this is possible ? (See
> below.)
>
> Thanks,
> Ian.
>
> > 2018-04-21 1:22 GMT+08:00 Ian Jackson :
> > > Hi. Thanks for your work on Debconf 18.
> > >
> > > Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in
> > > Hsinchu, Taiwan"):
> > >> Also, can you tell me if you have enough accomodation to be able to
> > >> give individual rooms to people who pay extra ? I find it difficult
> > >> to sleep with other people in the room, so if individual rooms are not
> > >> going to be available at the venue, I would have to book a hotel.
> > >
> > > I have registered and put this in as a special request in my
> > > registration.
> > >
> > > Can you confirm whether this will be possible ? If it is not
> > > possible, I would have to book a hotel.
> > >
> > > Ralf Treinen has posted to the debconf-discuss thread that would like
> > > the same information.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ian.
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> > > If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is
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>
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Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu, Taiwan
SZ Lin (林上智) writes ("Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu,
Taiwan"):
> Sorry to be replying so late.
>
> This request is still in discussion, we will update you soon.
Thanks.
Ian.
Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu, Taiwan
SZ Lin (林上智) writes ("Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu,
Taiwan"):
> Sorry to be replying so late.
>
> This request is still in discussion, we will update you soon.
Hi. Any progress ?
For the avoidance of any doubt: I think the published accomodation
rates for the DC accomodation include an element of
subsidy/sponsorship.
As I am asking for an individual room, I do not expect Debconf or our
sponsors to subsidise my room in this way. I am quite happy to pay
the appropriate share of the actual underlying venue room cost.
I would still like to avoid having to book a hotel off-site. But time
is pressing on. If I want to make alternative arrangements I need to
do so soon.
Thanks,
Ian.
> SZ Lin (林上智) , http://people.debian.org/~szlin
>
> 4096R/ 178F 8338 B314 01E3 04FC 44BA A959 B38A 9561 F3F9
>
>
> 2018-07-04 22:10 GMT+08:00 Ian Jackson :
> > Ping ?
> >
> > Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in
> > Hsinchu, Taiwan"):
> >> SZ Lin (林上智) writes ("Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in
> >> Hsinchu, Taiwan"):
> >> > It's possible; however, we cannot make sure the status of
> >> > accommodation now since the registration is still open. We will update
> >> > the status after the close of registration on 21 June.
> >>
> >> Hi. Are you able to confirm now whether this is possible ? (See
> >> below.)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Ian.
> >>
> >> > 2018-04-21 1:22 GMT+08:00 Ian Jackson :
> >> > > Hi. Thanks for your work on Debconf 18.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in
> >> > > Hsinchu, Taiwan"):
> >> > >> Also, can you tell me if you have enough accomodation to be able to
> >> > >> give individual rooms to people who pay extra ? I find it difficult
> >> > >> to sleep with other people in the room, so if individual rooms are not
> >> > >> going to be available at the venue, I would have to book a hotel.
> >> > >
> >> > > I have registered and put this in as a special request in my
> >> > > registration.
> >> > >
> >> > > Can you confirm whether this will be possible ? If it is not
> >> > > possible, I would have to book a hotel.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ralf Treinen has posted to the debconf-discuss thread that would like
> >> > > the same information.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > > Ian.
> >> > >
> >> > > --
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> >> > > own.
> >> > >
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> >> > > a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.
> >>
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> >>
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> >
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> >
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Re: "Debian CI/autopkgtest BoF" at Debconf18
Antonio Terceiro writes (""Debian CI/autopkgtest BoF" at Debconf18"):
> For personal reasons I needed to cancel my Debconf18 attendance.
I'm sorry to hear that.
> I had proposed a BoF session titled "Debian CI/autopkgtest BoF". Is
> there anyone who is attending and could lead this session so that it
> happens anyway? I will make an effort to follow it remotely despite the
> 11h timezone difference.
I can try to help, although IDK really what your plans were.
> I think that now that CI is influencing testing migration this is as
> relevant of a topic as ever. Also, I led similar BoFs at the last 2
> Debconfs, and I feel both were very interesting and useful. They were a
> mix of status update, Q&A, and open discussion.
Right. So, I guess, count me as volunteering.
Ian.
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Need a Taiwanese "emergency contact and emergency coordinator"
I am intending to go for a (solo) hike in the Taroko gorge, on Tuesday the 7th of August. The park permit application process requires me to have Taiwanese emergency contact and emergency coordinator. I don't expect to get into any difficulties. I am fit and well. I'm intending the Zhuilu Old Road. Is anyone who is reading this willing to do this for me ? If so, please email me the following information which I need for the application form: Name Mobile phone number Email ID/Passport number Date of birth I expect I will send you a text message when I set off, and another when I am safely returned. I need this quick confirmation because I need to apply for the park permit before they all sell out. So if I don't get a reply very soon I will try to ask my hotel in Hualien to do this. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.
Re: Need a Taiwanese "emergency contact and emergency coordinator"
Ian Jackson writes ("Need a Taiwanese "emergency contact and emergency
coordinator""):
> I am intending to go for a (solo) hike in the Taroko gorge, on Tuesday
> the 7th of August. The park permit application process requires me to
> have Taiwanese emergency contact and emergency coordinator. I don't
> expect to get into any difficulties. I am fit and well. I'm
> intending the Zhuilu Old Road.
Thanks, I have a volunteer already!
Ian.
Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu, Taiwan
Hector Oron writes ("Re: Registration is now open for DebConf18, in Hsinchu,
Taiwan"):
> According to yesterday meeting notes, I understand that single rooms
> are not planned to be allocated:
> "We currently have no intention of giving single rooms to people
> (nattie, 14:44:54)"
Thanks for the information. I organised a hotel which is fine. Sorry
for not replying sooner, I was in a hurry
Regards,
Ian.
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Re: English-speaking taxi number?
Andrej Shadura writes ("Re: English-speaking taxi number?"):
> Uber has many (and in the past had even more) different issues (e.g.
> company culture and their attitude towards certain issues), but fake
> contractorship is not one of them.
This is simply false, at leaast as far as English law is concerned.
Why do you say things like this that are so easily contradicted from
completely authoritative sources ?
The original Employmennt Tribunal juudgement (upheld by the courts
above) can be found here:
http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/Misc/2016/B68.html
(click on "REASONS FOR THE RESERVED JUDGMENT")
If that is too dense for you,
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/10/uber-loses-appeal-employment-rights-workers
Read paragraph 67 of the ET judgement if you want to see what the
Tribunal thought of some of Uber's claims. I particularly like;
| To our considerable surprise, Ms Bertram attempted before us to
| dismiss this as a typographical error
(para 69) and
| ... our scepticism is not diminished when we are reminded of the
| many things said and written in the name of Uber in unguarded
| moments ... We are not at all persuaded ...b
(para 88) etc.
Uber have also had their licence revoked by Transport for London, for
entirely unrelated misdeeds including deliberate subversion of
regulatory oversight. These licence revocations do not take effect
immediately; they are subject to appeal. Uber's legal tactic in the
appeal is to say that Tfl were *right* to revoke the licence but that
that was in the past and Uber is much better now. Really.
Also, frankly, if you agree that Uber e vile, defending them on some
technical point like this is very dubious, even if you were right,
which you are plainly not.
Ian.
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Re: PSA: Do not walk on the scooter path to the parking lot
Yao Wei writes ("PSA: Do not walk on the scooter path to the parking lot"):
> https://www.facebook.com/CowBeiNCTU/photos/
> a.621907637930187.1073741828.557872311000387/1725133907607549/?type=3&theater
I visited this url and got a facebook login page. Needless to say I
don't have a facebook account.
If you provide a different link, please be sure that it is a link to
an image file, rather than a link to a collection of programs for me
to download and run on my computer.
Ian.
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Re: English-speaking taxi number?
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: English-speaking taxi number?"):
> Read paragraph 67 of the ET judgement if you want to see what the
> Tribunal thought of some of Uber's claims. I particularly like;
Oh, and para 87:
87 In the first place, we have been struck by the remarkable lengths
to which Uber has gone in order to compel agreement with its
(perhaps we should say its laywers') description of itself and its
analysis of the legal relationships between the two companies, the
drivers, and the passengers.
Any organisation (a) running an enterprise at the heart of which is
the function of carring people in motor cars from where they are to
where they want to be and (b) operating in part through a company
discharging the regulated responsibilities of a PHV [Private Hire
Vehicle] operator, but (c) requiring drivers and passengers to
agree, _as a matter of contract, that it does not provide
transportation services (through UBV or ULL [two Uber companies]),
and (d) resorting in its documentation to fictions^36, twisted
language^37, and even brand new terminology,^38 merits, we think, a
degree of scepticism.
Reflecting on the Respondents' [Uber's] general case, and on the
grimly loyal evidence of Ms Bertram [Uber's Regional General
Manager] in particular, we cannot help being reminded of Queen
Gertrude's most celebrated line:
The lady doth protest too much, methings.^39
Copy typed; extra paragraph breaks and [] notes mine; _emphasis_ in
the original, ^footnotes can be found in the original.
If you like reading a good rant, paras 87 to 97, starting successively
"in the first place", "second", "third", and so on to "eleventh"
are good reading.
Ian.
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Re: PSA: Do not walk on the scooter path to the parking lot
David Prévot writes ("Re: PSA: Do not walk on the scooter path to the parking
lot"):
> The initial message (the one you replied to) has the relevant picture as
> an attachment. Did you miss that?
Yes, thanks. Sorry for missing that.
Hrm.
It's unfortunate that the environment is dominated by motor vehicles
and that unassisted humans are expected to make detours.
Ian.
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Re: "Debian CI/autopkgtest BoF" at Debconf18
gobby notes from the bof: Ian. Debian CI/autopkgtest BoF = ## unsatisfiable test-dependencies should not be a test failure DON'T use apt in your script Use flaky restriction + it needs a fix in autopkgtest to properly support that (as mentioned by Ralf Treinen, it doesn't work yet). bug to be filed ## trivial tests trivial tests: no faster migration, but with delays (or block in the future) on failure. One can implement now with skippable restriction and exit 77 on success See https://bugs.debian.org/904979 ## Best practices https://wiki.debian.org/ContinuousIntegration/AutopkgtestBestPractices please add yours ## autodep8 and smarter To *add* tests to autodep8 tests, set "Testsuite: autopkgtest-pkg-" in d/control and put the tests in d/tests/control.autodep8. But please be aware, _maybe_ control.autodep8 will be deprecated, please check bug https://bugs.debian.org/904776 ## Running autopkgtest on every commit/push to Salsa https://salsa.debian.org/salsa-ci-team/pipeline/blob/master/salsa-ci.yml#L28-32 Otto testing out at https://salsa.debian.org/mariadb-team/mariadb-10.1/-/jobs - will write about experience/findings later. Note: In the Debian context, remember to put your .gitlab-ci.yml files in debian/.gitlab-ci.yml and configure the new location at https://salsa.debian.org///settings/ci_cd ## figuring out what changed when tests fail autopkgtest does list which packages (w/ versions) were installed for the tests. On ci.debian.net this is always in the artifacts tarball, on unstable there is also the log link, but beware https://bugs.debian.org/812856 (the artifacts is always right AFAIK) ## Adding indirect reverse depends to your tests: Use a dummy test, add Restriction: hint-testsuite-triggers and add your triggers to the Depends Ian should still create his Merge Request ;) discussion in the thread starting https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/23335.38346.638278.79...@chiark.greenend.org.uk ## test doesn't always blame the right package Maybe britney should test recursive dependencies as well? -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.
Re: The Guardian about Debian
Peter van Summeren writes ("The Guardian about Debian"):
> I read today in the Guardian
> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2018/aug/16/
> i-want-to-boycott-us-pc-hardware-software-services#img-1
>
> "While GNU/Linux is mostly American, at least the kernel was started by Linus
> Torvalds in Finland, though he moved to the US decades ago and is now a US
> citizen. Happily, there are some non-American Linux distributions such as
> Canonical s Ubuntu. Canonical was founded and bankrolled by a South African,
> Mark Shuttleworth, and is based in London. However, Ubuntu is based on Debian
> Linux, which is American."
What a pile of tosh.
Ian.
Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)
Chris Lamb writes ("Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)"):
> I noticed yesterday [0] that the PyCascades conference [1] explicitly
> does not permit any questions and answers after a presentation.
This is interesting.
As an audience member I have sometimes found myself intensely
irritated when (it seems to me that) a questioner is wasting
everyone's time with some incomprehensible polemic, or whatever.
Often when this happens I feel the speaker does not shut them down
quickly enough. I think the speaker is perhaps not always sure enough
of their ground to do so.
I think this could be addressed by having a moderator who was prepared
to make a value judgement about the question, and who had a low
threshold for intervening.
In general I often find that stronger moderation (of audience
participation in talks and panels, and of airtime in BOFs) is a good
thing.
However, I would be very sad to see questions banned entirely.
Some of my best experiences at DC18 were related to questions. Talks
with small audiences or in small rooms often turn in a kind of BOF
session which can be both very useful, and very affirming for
everyone.
And speaking entirely personally: When giving a talk, especially about
new software or anything complicated, i find it can be very helpful to
be interrupted if I have skipped over something. I'm aware of the
questioner self-selection problem. I don't feel unsure, so I don't
need help from a moderator in managing the questions I might get :-).
Overall, perhaps we could ensure that we have a moderators available,
certainly for the larger rooms, and also whenever the speaker requests
it.
The moderator could have a quick chat with the speaker about how much
support they want, whether the speaker wants to take questions during
the talk, at the end, or not at all, etc. Ideally moderators would
have been exposed to some kind of training or at least briefing.
The "go up to the stage afterwards" format for questions is a good one
too, though. Certainly it should be offered to speakers, and
sometimes even recommended. Speakers should certainly not feel that
they are expected to take questions in the standard "talk to the whole
room" format, if they feel intimidated by that idea.
I think, the bigger the room, the more appropriate it is to use the
"chat up at the stage" format.
Another possibility would be for the moderator to use the per-room irc
channel to collect people who want to ask questions. That is, people
would state their question in irc, and the moderator would tell, again
in irc, who the next person is to ask a question. So the moderator
could choose the best questions.
Ian.
Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)
Samuel Thibault writes ("Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)"):
> Matthew Vernon, le sam. 08 sept. 2018 15:41:14 +0100, a ecrit:
> > Moderators happy/able to cut people off who aren't really
> > asking a question seems a better solution than banning all questions.
>
> But the speaker can not be sure that it will happen.
Indeed.
I can definitely see that this is very plausibly a problem (although I
haven't read research or even spoken personally to speakers who are
worried about this).
I am very keen that we should fully support speakers who are not so
sure of themselves. Those people often have the most interesting
things to say and we need to give them the space, encouragement, and
structure things to minimise this kind of worry.
What this certainly means is that we must provide different support
and perhaps a different approach for different speakers in different
contexts.
I don't know how best to ask the question of a speaker, what kind of
support they need, but certainly the conference management system is
an opportunity to do that. Also we could publicly state, in our CFP
for example, what our plans will be - so that people can be confident
that they will be welcomed and supported.
Ian.
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Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)
Vincent Bernat writes ("Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)"):
> I don't speak in front of large audiences because of the Q&A part.
That is a shame. Thank you very much for sharing.
> I don't suggest to change anything for Debconf, I am just bad at
> conferencing.
I think you would probably have interesting things to say. I would
like it if you felt able to give a talk, so I am keen that we remove
the barriers that are stopping you.
Please contribute vigorously to this discussion; or, if you prefer,
email Chris privately (sorry for volunteering you, Chris).
Regards,
Ian.
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Re: The tone of discussion on this list
Alexander Wirt writes ("Re: The tone of discussion on this list"):
> I did not wanted to say its antisemetic, I wanted to say that we
> don't want to see either antisemetic _or_ antiisrelism. In my
> experience most discussions starting with antiisrealiasm will end
> with being antisemetic.
I strongly disagree with the decision to ban "anti-israelism", ie,
criticism of Israel. The choice of Israel as a venue for Debconf
means that the question of the ethics or otherwise of visiting Israel
has been made on topic for this list.
On the other hand, I strongly approve of firm and swift action against
antisemitism.
Ian.
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Re: The tone of discussion on this list
Sam Hartman writes ("Re: The tone of discussion on this list"):
> I'd like to draw what I think is an important distinction:
Thanks for your intervention. I agree with your perspective.
Ian.
Bus Sao Paulo <-> Curitiba
Partly because I want to reduce my number of flights for ethical reasons, and partly because I want to see Sao Paulo anyway, I have arranged to fly to/from Sao Paulo and will take a bus from there. On the way to Debconf I will stay in Sao Paulo for a few days, and then take the bus to Curitiba; on the way back I plan to go straight from the Debconf accomodation to the bus and then from the bus to the airport (GRU) in Sao Paulo. AFAICT there are plenty of buses between Sao Paulo and Curitiba and the bus trip is about 7h. Are there any particular tips that locals could share with me ? Particular questions I have: * Is there a particular bus company that you would recommend ? Can (should) I make an online booking ? My alternative would probably be to go to an appropriate booking office in Sao Paulo I guess. * How much additional time should I allow on the way back, given that I definitely don't want to miss my flight from Sao Paulo ? * I will travel with a large rucksack. In Europe I would expect to put my rucksack in the luggage compartment under the coach and not to need to worry that it would be stolen. (My valuables will be with me in a shoulder bag and bum bag.) Should I expect the same in Brasil ? How are these things typically done ? * I plan to make one of my trips overnight and sleep on the bus. (I will sleep OK on a bus.) Is this a reasonable idea or bad for some reason ? * I presume the bus will go from somewhere in central Sao Paulo. On the way to Curitiba I will have been in Sao Paulo for a few days so won't be totally disoriented. On the way back I will need to go straight from the long distance bus to the airport (ORD) in Sao Paulo. Are there any particular tips ? * Which side of the bus should I try to sit for the best views ? :-) Thanks for any help. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.
Re: Bus Sao Paulo <-> Curitiba [and 4 more messages]
I just wanted to say thank you to everyone for the comprehensive information and advice, which will be very useful to me. (I haven't booked yet...) I hope to bump into you in Curitiba :-). Regards, Ian.
Re: more diverse shirt stuff :)
Rhonda D'Vine writes ("more diverse shirt stuff :)"):
> we'd like to organize a printing of Debian Diversity shirts. Those
> will be on a self pay basis, I only can guess that they might be around
> 15 US$, will keep the wiki page updated once I get information about
> that. We'll have to know within the next 48 hours, sorry for the short
> notice, and don't push it off too far. :)
>
> You can add your names and shirt sizes (and potential, amount) to this
> wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/19/DiversityShirts
Thanks. Can you clarify (ideally on the page itself) whether these
are European or North American sizes ? IME a European L is roughly a
USAian M.
(I had a quick look on Wikipedia but the information there does not
seem to relate to my experience at all.)
Ian.
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Re: more diverse shirt stuff :)
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: more diverse shirt stuff :)"):
> Thanks. Can you clarify (ideally on the page itself) whether these
> are European or North American sizes ? IME a European L is roughly a
> USAian M.
>
> (I had a quick look on Wikipedia but the information there does not
> seem to relate to my experience at all.)
A bit more searching found me this:
https://www.allriot.com/cool-political-tshirts-men-women-size-chart/
but maybe information from the actual supplier would be better.
Ian.
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Re: more diverse shirt stuff :)
Rhonda D'Vine writes ("Re: more diverse shirt stuff :)"):
> The size chart is linked from the page, but here again:
> https://debconf19.debconf.org/about/t-shirts/
Apparently I am an idiot who cannot read. Sorry for the noise.
Will add myself ASAP.
Regards,
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Re: DebConf19: trip by train to Morretes - hurry up!
Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana writes ("DebConf19: trip by train to Morretes -
hurry up!"):
> If you are in the waiting list, you can pay too because I believe we can
> add more 14 people. We are getting 1 bus with 44 seats and another with
> 30 seats. Maybe we can change the second for 44 searts, but we need to
> know today if we will really have more than 74 travelers.
I shouldn't really say this because I want people to come on the
day trip I will do (not decided yet...) but:
This train ride is really nice. I did it yesterday by myself before
"arriving" at the conference. The train is very slow but the views
are really good. Especially if it's not foggy...
FYI yesterday I took the train back and got back to the train station
at 1830.
Ian.
Re: Bus Sao Paulo <-> Curitiba [and 4 more messages]
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bus Sao Paulo <-> Curitiba [and 4 more messages]"):
> I just wanted to say thank you to everyone for the comprehensive
> information and advice, which will be very useful to me. (I haven't
> booked yet...)
Thanks again to everyone who gave information. I had a great time in
Sao Paulo and the bus was really very civilised. ++
Ian.
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Re: Climbing evening(s) during DebConf19
Guilhem Moulin writes ("Climbing evening(s) during DebConf19"):
> Last year some of us went indoor climbing in Hsinchu, it was a lot of
> fun! Looks like this year there is a climbing gym <1km away from the
> venue:
>
> https://campobase.esp.br/ — AFAICT price is R$20/day for bouldering,
> R$10 extra for renting gears.
>
> Is anyone else interested in going there during DebCamp / DebConf? I'll
> pack my shoes at least ;-)
I am interested. I didn't bring my shoes because I left home 2 weeks
ago but I guess they can hire me some...
Ian.
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Re: Climbing evening(s) during DebConf19
Guilhem Moulin writes ("Re: Climbing evening(s) during DebConf19"):
> Let's try on Tuesday (Jul 23) instead? And maybe another time later
> this week?
SGTM [1].
> > They're closing at 22:00 according to the page. We could walk there
> > together after dinner.
I will want to go back to my room in between to get changed.
Ian.
[1] Sounds Good To Me.
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Re: Climbing evening(s) during DebConf19
Guilhem Moulin writes ("Climbing evening(s) during DebConf19"):
> Is anyone else interested in going there during DebCamp / DebConf? I'll
> pack my shoes at least ;-)
The climbing group will meet at 1930 today in the space between the
Job Fair ad Front Desk. Bring your shoes/gear/whatever.
See you later !
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Re: Train to Morretes Day trip
Daniel Lenharo writes ("Train to Morretes Day trip"):
> This is to the participants of the Park Hiking day trip.
I think you meant to say it was to the "Train to Morretes" group,
like in your subject. (CC Antonio Terceiro who is leading the hiking.)
Ian.
Re: Climbing evening(s) during DebConf19
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Climbing evening(s) during DebConf19"):
> Guilhem Moulin writes ("Climbing evening(s) during DebConf19"):
> > Is anyone else interested in going there during DebCamp / DebConf? I'll
> > pack my shoes at least ;-)
>
> The climbing group will meet at 1930 today in the space between the
> Job Fair ad Front Desk. Bring your shoes/gear/whatever.
Let us meet by the cafeteria entrance instead. The spot I mention
above is right in front of the speakers and seems to be going to be
the dancefloor for the bop.
Ian.
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Xen BoF - reference to qemu deprivileging Xen Summit talk
Hi. During the Xen BoF at Debconf we talked a bit about upstream Xen efforts to deprivilege the qemu device model (used for HVM guests, ie guests which get a full PC emulation). I mentioned that I gave a talk on this at the Xen Project Developer Summit in Chicago this year and promised to link to the talk materials. So: https://xensummit19.sched.com/event/PFVx/deprivileging-qemu-device-models-ian-jackson-citrix https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/xensummit19/7b/slides.pdf https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/xensummit19/03/talk.txt IDK if there is a video stream available but you can find, roughly, what I said, there in "talk.txt". Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.
