Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Marine Batteries

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Short answer is Yes we do.

Have your email client organize incoming mail into folders using rules. I use 
outlook and anything with Stubs List, Frees List, etch ... goes into folder 
called mail lists rather than to inbox

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Rod Stright via 
CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: April 5, 2018 4:28 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rod Stright
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL]   Re:  Marine Batteries

Do we always need to copy everyone on the list about everything.  Gets pretty 
ridiculous with the number of emails.  No wonder people unsubscribe

Rod

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe 
via CnC-List
Sent: April-05-18 3:01 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Marine Batteries

Sams Club had their private label golf carts for $89 each. Like their AGMs, I 
think they are Dekas.
I will one day switch to golf carts when I figure out how to mount them. They 
will not fit where I have my batteries now. One nice thing about them is abuse 
is not instant death. Mild overcharging can be fixed with water and mild 
undercharging will resolve with equalization. Gels never get better once abused.

Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 1:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

By contrast, my Trojan T105 golf cart batteries run around $150.00 each; a pair 
of them has twice the amp-hour capacity at 12 volts as a single Group 31.  I’m 
on my seventh year with them, and they’re still performing well.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

A few years ago I replaced my batteries with Northstar? 31. They were rated 
very high, we’re the heaviest #31s (lots of lead) and they claim to use only 
‘virgin’ lead, not recycled lead, which they claim lasts longer. Came with a 2 
or 3 year full replacement warranty with the remaining 3 or 2 years out to 5 
years prorated. Expensive (~$300 each) but still going after almost 3 years.
I mostly club race so I can’t speak to cruising use. They are only on a charger 
for a few hours before a race and have never purposely been drawn down 
significantly.
YMMV
Charlie Nelson
1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
Water Phantom


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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Marine Batteries

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

I think there is a lot that does not need to go to everybody but I guess that 
is a personal choice .  

I’ll manage the accounts so I don’t get 50 emails a day on my laptop, phone and 
desktop.

Rod

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2018, at 6:56 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Short answer is Yes we do.
> 
> Have your email client organize incoming mail into folders using rules. I use 
> outlook and anything with Stubs List, Frees List, etch ... goes into folder 
> called mail lists rather than to inbox
> 
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax
> 
> From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Rod Stright via 
> CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> Sent: April 5, 2018 4:28 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Rod Stright
> Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL]   Re:  Marine Batteries
> 
> Do we always need to copy everyone on the list about everything.  Gets pretty 
> ridiculous with the number of emails.  No wonder people unsubscribe
> 
> Rod
> 
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: April-05-18 3:01 PM
> To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Marine Batteries
> 
> Sams Club had their private label golf carts for $89 each. Like their AGMs, I 
> think they are Dekas.
> I will one day switch to golf carts when I figure out how to mount them. They 
> will not fit where I have my batteries now. One nice thing about them is 
> abuse is not instant death. Mild overcharging can be fixed with water and 
> mild undercharging will resolve with equalization. Gels never get better once 
> abused.
> 
> Joe
> Coquina
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
> G Street via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 1:50 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Frederick G Street
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
> 
> By contrast, my Trojan T105 golf cart batteries run around $150.00 each; a 
> pair of them has twice the amp-hour capacity at 12 volts as a single Group 
> 31.  I’m on my seventh year with them, and they’re still performing well.
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
> On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
> A few years ago I replaced my batteries with Northstar? 31. They were rated 
> very high, we’re the heaviest #31s (lots of lead) and they claim to use only 
> ‘virgin’ lead, not recycled lead, which they claim lasts longer. Came with a 
> 2 or 3 year full replacement warranty with the remaining 3 or 2 years out to 
> 5 years prorated. Expensive (~$300 each) but still going after almost 3 years.
> I mostly club race so I can’t speak to cruising use. They are only on a 
> charger for a few hours before a race and have never purposely been drawn 
> down significantly.
> YMMV
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
> Water Phantom
> 
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Re: Stus-List Mast Sensor

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Hi Alan

 

Had similar issue on my Horizon WS150.  Hopefully my fix can help you.  My 
biggest issue is these parts are no longer available and was reluctant to get a 
whole new system.

Easily disassembled – remove vane, then top is just friction fit with o-ring 
seals to main body to access circuit board.  While the board is not 
serviceable, my issue was the wires are extremely thin and the solder 
connections failed / in process of failing.  Most likely cause is corrosion 
over many years.  Used electronics pencil solder iron to carefully resolder.  
Reassemble.  Works perfectly.

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of ALAN BERGEN 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 12:54 PM
To: C&C
Cc: ALAN BERGEN
Subject: Stus-List Mast Sensor

 

I have ST60+ instruments.  The wind direction indicator reads erratically.  
Sometimes it reads correctly, and sometimes it's off by a lot.  Is the sensor 
serviceable?



Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland. OR

 

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

There is a bunch of write-ups on marine batteries at Maine Sail’s website. 
Including some recommendations regarding the manufacturers and also how many 
cycles (discharge/charge) you can expect from some of them.

If I recall correctly, the golf cart batteries have heavier plates (more lead) 
are deeper (hence they may not fit in all battery lockers, but have more 
electrolyte over the plates so even some serious heeling does not affect them) 
and can sustain substantially more cycles than just about anything else. But 
they require some modifications to your set-up and usually they are more 
expensive.

Marek

From: Ryan Doyle via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 18:07
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)

I was in the exact position as you two years ago and I have 4 of the Sams Club 
Duracell GC batteries.  No complaints here whatsoever.  They perform as they 
should.

Ryan
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Marine Batteries

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Personally I appreciate that this mail list is so active, with so many 
different threads and postings.  It shows the vibrancy of the community of C&C 
owners.  For me it’s no trouble to spend a few seconds just up-arrowing through 
all the messages that don’t particularly interest me, marking them as read.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO
(splashing on Sunday)

> On Apr 6, 2018, at 4:35 AM, Rod Stright via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I think there is a lot that does not need to go to everybody but I guess that 
> is a personal choice .  
> 
> I’ll manage the accounts so I don’t get 50 emails a day on my laptop, phone 
> and desktop.
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 6:56 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Short answer is Yes we do.
>> 
>> Have your email client organize incoming mail into folders using rules. I 
>> use outlook and anything with Stubs List, Frees List, etch ... goes into 
>> folder called mail lists rather than to inbox
>> 
>> Mike
>> Persistence
>> Halifax
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Rod Stright via 
>> CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
>> Sent: April 5, 2018 4:28 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Rod Stright
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL]   Re:  Marine Batteries
>> 
>> Do we always need to copy everyone on the list about everything.  Gets 
>> pretty ridiculous with the number of emails.  No wonder people unsubscribe
>> 
>> Rod
>> 
>> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe 
>> via CnC-List
>> Sent: April-05-18 3:01 PM
>> To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
>> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Marine Batteries
>> 
>> Sams Club had their private label golf carts for $89 each. Like their AGMs, 
>> I think they are Dekas.
>> I will one day switch to golf carts when I figure out how to mount them. 
>> They will not fit where I have my batteries now. One nice thing about them 
>> is abuse is not instant death. Mild overcharging can be fixed with water and 
>> mild undercharging will resolve with equalization. Gels never get better 
>> once abused.
>> 
>> Joe
>> Coquina
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
>> G Street via CnC-List
>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 1:50 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Frederick G Street
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
>> 
>> By contrast, my Trojan T105 golf cart batteries run around $150.00 each; a 
>> pair of them has twice the amp-hour capacity at 12 volts as a single Group 
>> 31.  I’m on my seventh year with them, and they’re still performing well.
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>> 
>> On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> A few years ago I replaced my batteries with Northstar? 31. They were rated 
>> very high, we’re the heaviest #31s (lots of lead) and they claim to use only 
>> ‘virgin’ lead, not recycled lead, which they claim lasts longer. Came with a 
>> 2 or 3 year full replacement warranty with the remaining 3 or 2 years out to 
>> 5 years prorated. Expensive (~$300 each) but still going after almost 3 
>> years.
>> I mostly club race so I can’t speak to cruising use. They are only on a 
>> charger for a few hours before a race and have never purposely been drawn 
>> down significantly.
>> YMMV
>> Charlie Nelson
>> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
>> Water Phantom
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Mast Sensor

[Chad Osmond via CnC-List]

Yes, send it to Ray Marine and they'll fix it, flat rate of $125 or $150 I
think.

We did ours last summer and it came back in a few days with new internals.
(And some tool marks on the housing)

You start the repair process on their website and they'll issue a repair
number, ship it in and you're done.

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018, 12:55 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List, <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have ST60+ instruments.  The wind direction indicator reads
> erratically.  Sometimes it reads correctly, and sometimes it's off by a
> lot.  Is the sensor serviceable?
>
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I have been following this thread with interest because I suspect my AGM’s have 
been mistreated and may need replacement.  What modifications to the setup are 
needed if the 6V fit in the battery compartment?  I presumed you would just 
wire the double 6V in series and everything else would be the same? Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Apr 6, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is a bunch of write-ups on marine batteries at Maine Sail’s website. 
> Including some recommendations regarding the manufacturers and also how many 
> cycles (discharge/charge) you can expect from some of them.
>  
> If I recall correctly, the golf cart batteries have heavier plates (more 
> lead) are deeper (hence they may not fit in all battery lockers, but have 
> more electrolyte over the plates so even some serious heeling does not affect 
> them) and can sustain substantially more cycles than just about anything 
> else. But they require some modifications to your set-up and usually they are 
> more expensive.
>  
> Marek
>  
> From: Ryan Doyle via CnC-List <>
> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 18:07
> To:  <>cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Ryan Doyle <>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)
>  
> I was in the exact position as you two years ago and I have 4 of the Sams 
> Club Duracell GC batteries.  No complaints here whatsoever.  They perform as 
> they should.
> 
> Ryan
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Re: Stus-List change subject reminder

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hey guys,

It is little wonder people get frustrated and 
leave when this list looks more like a chat line 
then a problem solving, albeit somewhat humourous 
at times (damn, I miss those days). As an old 
codger I can say the quality of discussion 
degraded when people started getting their email 
message (and replying) on the G*d damn phones. 


Anyhow, to the point. The subject line needs to 
be change when you drift away from the main thread content.


And if your email client puts [EXTERNAL] or 
something like that in the subject line then 
please strip that as it screws up a "sort by 
subject" action... but bless you for checking the list during work hours :)


Below is an example of a badly presented reply 
that needs to be cleaned before being sent. It is 
not meant to single out Rod.  (note phone source, like, who cares?).


Best regards, Russ

===

At 03:35 AM 4/6/2018, you wrote:
I think there is a lot that does not need to go 
to everybody but I guess that is a personal 
choice .  I’ll manage the accounts so I 
don’t get 50 emails a day on my laptop, phone 
and desktop. Rod Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 
2018, at 6:56 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
 wrote: > > Short answer 
is Yes we do. > > Have your email client 
organize incoming mail into folders using rules. 
I use outlook and anything with Stubs List, 
Frees List, etch ... goes into folder called 
mail lists rather than to inbox > > Mike > 
Persistence > Halifax > 
 > From: 
CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on 
behalf of Rod Stright via CnC-List 
[cnc-list@cnc-list.com] > Sent: April 5, 2018 
4:28 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Rod 
Stright > Subject: Re: Stus-List 
[EXTERNAL]   Re:  Marine Batteries > > Do we 
always need to copy everyone on the list about 
everything.  Gets pretty ridiculous with the 
number of emails.  No wonder people 
unsubscribe > > Rod > > From: CnC-List 
 On Behalf Of 
Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List > Sent: 
April-05-18 3:01 PM > To: 
'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
 > Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
 > Subject: Re: 
Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Marine Batteries > > 
Sams Club had their private label golf carts for 
$89 each. Like their AGMs, I think they are 
Dekas. > I will one day switch to golf carts 
when I figure out how to mount them. They will 
not fit where I have my batteries now. One nice 
thing about them is abuse is not instant death. 
Mild overcharging can be fixed with water and 
mild undercharging will resolve with 
equalization. Gels never get better once 
abused. > > Joe > Coquina > > From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf 
Of Frederick G Street via CnC-List > Sent: 
Thursday, April 05, 2018 1:50 PM > To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
> Cc: Frederick G Street > Subject: [EXTERNAL] 
Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries > > By contrast, 
my Trojan T105 golf cart batteries run around 
$150.00 each; a pair of them has twice the 
amp-hour capacity at 12 volts as a single Group 
31.  I’m on my seventh year with them, and 
they’re still performing well. > > Fred Street 
-- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 
38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^( > > On 
Apr 5, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Charles Nelson via 
CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> 
wrote: > > A few years ago I replaced my 
batteries with Northstar? 31. They were rated 
very high, we’re the heaviest #31s (lots of 
lead) and they claim to use only ‘virgin’ 
lead, not recycled lead, which they claim lasts 
longer. Came with a 2 or 3 year full replacement 
warranty with the remaining 3 or 2 years out to 
5 years prorated. Expensive (~$300 each) but 
still going after almost 3 years. > I mostly 
club race so I can’t speak to cruising use. 
They are only on a charger for a few hours 
before a race and have never purposely been 
drawn down significantly. > YMMV > Charlie 
Nelson > 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb > Water 
Phantom > > > 
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Stus-List Sidney boat yard

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I was planning on bringing my own paint.  Think that might be a problem?.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Apr 5, 2018, at 9:05 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 04:04:42 +
> From: Paul Baker 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard
> Message-ID:
>
> 
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> 
> Just remember you'll get Canadian spec paint, which doesn't have anything at 
> all that actually stops fouling, nor any anti-slime additives.
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Re: Stus-List Partnership creation

[DON JONSSON via CnC-List]

Last year I took on a partner on my boat.  We had known each other for several 
years but were not what I would consider really close friends at that point.  

We spent some time writing up an agreement in which we tried to cover all the 
issues that we thought could arise in a partnership.  This helped us understand 
each other's expectations a valuable process where we were able to establish 
that we were compatible in that regard.  We also defined how the partnership 
could be terminated if one partner wanted out.

Since taking on the partner we put in a new motor, added an electric windlass 
and installed a fridge.  And of course all the other things the need doing on 
an older boat.  All of this with no hard words.

I now consider my partner a close friend and feel the partnership has been a 
great success.

For me an important consideration in wanting a partner was that my wife and I 
did not want to feel guilty if we didn't use the boat for a summer, but did 
something else.  A boat needs to be used.   It also cuts the workload in half 
plus makes the chores more enjoyable.  And of course it cuts the costs in half. 
 But it was mostly about not feeling obligated to going sailing all the time.

Don
Andante, C&C 34


Sent from my iPad

On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic  wrote:

If you still want to go ahead, consider all the _worst_ scenarios, when you are 
still on good terms. Things like who pays for a damage (not as trivial question 
as you might think) - if you decide that the person who did the damage, you 
might encourage hiding it. Similarly, how much you should expect annually for 
maintenance and improvements. What if one person wants to hire the yard to 
replace the bulb and the other is willing to swap the engine himself  over the 
weekend. 

Some of these questions may sound ridiculous, but the time to deal with them is 
before you sign.

Marek 



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 Original message 
From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
Date: 2018-04-05 13:48 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Partnership creation

Yes — speaking from personal experience, DON’T DO IT!!!  If you try to do it 
with a friend, there’s a good chance it’ll wreck the friendship.  If you do it 
with people you don’t consider friends or don’t know much about, anything could 
happen to the boat.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> For a variety of reasons I’m considering starting a partnership with my Boat. 
> In light of other conversations about buyout, etc. does anyone have 
> suggestions, or sample contracts, I can use to make the relationship 
> manageable ?
> 
> Thx
> Pete

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

You have 3 issues. One is physical space. They are wet cells, so they need to 
fit into battery containers and those containers need to fit into the boat. The 
second is electrical. They take different charging voltages than the AGMs or 
gels they might be replacing and they need equalizing every so often, so your 
charging setup must be able to accommodate that. Trojan has some pretty good 
docs here (http://www.trojanbattery.com/tech-support/battery-maintenance/) Bulk 
voltage for them and I would assume most other golf cart types is 14.8 volts. 
This is a lot higher than gel or AGM require. They float at 13.5, which is 
lower than usual. Equalize is 16.2 volts. The third issue is self-discharge. 
Unlike gel/agm that have very low self discharge, wet cells can lose up to 10% 
per month. If you are on a mooring or otherwise have no shorepower, you will 
really need a solar panel to keep them topped up.

Joe
Coquina

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via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 10:44 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)

I have been following this thread with interest because I suspect my AGM’s have 
been mistreated and may need replacement.  What modifications to the setup are 
needed if the 6V fit in the battery compartment?  I presumed you would just 
wire the double 6V in series and everything else would be the same? Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

There is a 4th issue too for wet cell batteries.  

While AGMs and Gels have more options for orienting the batteries in your box, 
wet cell battery orientation matters in sailboats.  One should orient the 
batteries artwartship (i.e. the long end of the battery turned beam to beam) as 
apposed to parallel to the boats centerline.  You will kill your batteries much 
sooner while healing if your wet cell batteries are along the centerline.  This 
is because the wet cells that make up the battery are longer along the battery 
width and short along the battery length, so a heeled battery has more exposed 
lead plates if its along the centerline. It's like running your batteries low 
on water.


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Apr 6, 2018, at 11:58 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 15:57:46 +
> From: "Della Barba, Joe"  >
> To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com '" 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART
> Message-ID:
>   <843aa5b0a3624974bf3298813a4b0...@nsc-dag3-06.ba.ad.ssa.gov 
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> You have 3 issues. One is physical space. They are wet cells, so they need to 
> fit into battery containers and those containers need to fit into the boat. 
> The second is electrical. They take different charging voltages than the AGMs 
> or gels they might be replacing and they need equalizing every so often, so 
> your charging setup must be able to accommodate that. Trojan has some pretty 
> good docs here 
> (http://www.trojanbattery.com/tech-support/battery-maintenance/ 
> ) Bulk 
> voltage for them and I would assume most other golf cart types is 14.8 volts. 
> This is a lot higher than gel or AGM require. They float at 13.5, which is 
> lower than usual. Equalize is 16.2 volts. The third issue is self-discharge. 
> Unlike gel/agm that have very low self discharge, wet cells can lose up to 
> 10% per month. If you are on a mooring or otherwise have no shorepower, you 
> will really need a solar panel to keep them topped up.
> 
> Joe
> Coquina
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 10:44 AM
> To: CnC CnC discussion list
> Cc: David Knecht
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)
> 
> I have been following this thread with interest because I suspect my AGM?s 
> have been mistreated and may need replacement.  What modifications to the 
> setup are needed if the 6V fit in the battery compartment?  I presumed you 
> would just wire the double 6V in series and everything else would be the 
> same? Dave
> 
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Hi Fred,

From the info I found they differ in weight by 1.5 lbs or about 2%(62 vs 60.5). 
 This is actually smaller than the 4% difference in A*hr capacity. 


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 7:01 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 17:33:32 -0500
> From: Frederick G Street mailto:f...@postaudio.net>>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
> Message-ID: <8bc66ec9-5d36-4f89-888a-196241d44...@postaudio.net 
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Paul ? one spec you didn?t list was weight.  I think you?ll find the Trojans 
> to be heavier than the Sam?s Club batteries; this means heavier plates and 
> longer life, as well as better resistance to abuse from under-charging or 
> over-discharging.
> 
> ? Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis

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Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

If you are wanting a yard to apply it for you then you might run into problems. 
 Westport are pretty proud of their eco credentials so may not have any leeway 
on this.  Strictly speaking, even if you apply it yourself it still needs to be 
legal in Canada but it's very easy to accidentally tear the label or cover it 
in paint if you get my drift...

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Tom Buscaglia via 
CnC-List 
Sent: April 6, 2018 8:25:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Buscaglia
Subject: Stus-List Sidney boat yard

I was planning on bringing my own paint.  Think that might be a problem?.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


On Apr 5, 2018, at 9:05 PM, 
cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

Message: 6
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 04:04:42 +
From: Paul Baker mailto:pjbake...@hotmail.com>>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard
Message-ID:
   
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

Just remember you'll get Canadian spec paint, which doesn't have anything at 
all that actually stops fouling, nor any anti-slime additives.

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

The 4th issue might not be applicable for most of us.

From the Trojan FAC section:
3. How far can I tilt my batteries?
For flooded batteries, 22 degrees from vertical is the maximum 
recommended tilt. AGM and Gel batteries can be operated vertically or 
horizontally.


I rarely sail at over 22 degrees heel.
A C&C is losing ground at 25 degrees heel, according to "Pointing & 
Weatherhelm" in the Tuning Tips section of the cncphotoalbum website.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 09:37 AM 4/6/2018, you wrote:

There is a 4th issue too for wet cell batteries.

While AGMs and Gels have more options for orienting the batteries in 
your box, wet cell battery orientation matters in sailboats.  One 
should orient the batteries artwartship (i.e. the long end of the 
battery turned beam to beam) as apposed to parallel to the boats 
centerline.  You will kill your batteries much sooner while healing 
if your wet cell batteries are along the centerline.  This is 
because the wet cells that make up the battery are longer along the 
battery width and short along the battery length, so a heeled 
battery has more exposed lead plates if its along the centerline. 
It's like running your batteries low on water.



-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/



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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

5th issue - your sore back.

Individual 70 pound or so GC2s are WAY easier to move around than a 4D or 8D
battery that weighs as much as both of them combined or pretty close. I used
to pick up 130 pound batteries and carry them around. Now.I would rather
not!

Along those lines, 3 group 24s fit sideways in an 8D battery box and have
about same AH overall.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ &
Melody via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 2:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Russ & Melody 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

 


The 4th issue might not be applicable for most of us.

>From the Trojan FAC section:
3. How far can I tilt my batteries?
For flooded batteries, 22 degrees from vertical is the maximum recommended
tilt. AGM and Gel batteries can be operated vertically or horizontally. 

I rarely sail at over 22 degrees heel. 
A C&C is losing ground at 25 degrees heel, according to "Pointing &
Weatherhelm" in the Tuning Tips section of the cncphotoalbum website.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 09:37 AM 4/6/2018, you wrote:



There is a 4th issue too for wet cell batteries.  

While AGMs and Gels have more options for orienting the batteries in your
box, wet cell battery orientation matters in sailboats.  One should orient
the batteries artwartship (i.e. the long end of the battery turned beam to
beam) as apposed to parallel to the boats centerline.  You will kill your
batteries much sooner while healing if your wet cell batteries are along the
centerline.  This is because the wet cells that make up the battery are
longer along the battery width and short along the battery length, so a
heeled battery has more exposed lead plates if its along the centerline.
It's like running your batteries low on water.


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

 


 
 

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

The golf cart batteries have more space above the plates, so the effect of 
healing is less critical than in most “normal” wet cell batteries. It is still 
there, but you have a bit more room for error.

Marek

From: Dreuge via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 13:56
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dreuge
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

There is a 4th issue too for wet cell batteries.

While AGMs and Gels have more options for orienting the batteries in your box, 
wet cell battery orientation matters in sailboats.  One should orient the 
batteries artwartship (i.e. the long end of the battery turned beam to beam) as 
apposed to parallel to the boats centerline.  You will kill your batteries much 
sooner while healing if your wet cell batteries are along the centerline.  This 
is because the wet cells that make up the battery are longer along the battery 
width and short along the battery length, so a heeled battery has more exposed 
lead plates if its along the centerline. It's like running your batteries low 
on water.


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/



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Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard

[David Blair via CnC-List]

I haven't seen any Canadian authorities checking US boats in Canadian waters
for the type of bottom paint they are using.  Common sense says it should be
a non-issue (but common sense doesn't always apply, does it?).  My $0.02

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Baker via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 11:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Paul Baker
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard

 

If you are wanting a yard to apply it for you then you might run into
problems.  Westport are pretty proud of their eco credentials so may not
have any leeway on this.  Strictly speaking, even if you apply it yourself
it still needs to be legal in Canada but it's very easy to accidentally tear
the label or cover it in paint if you get my drift...

  _  

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Tom Buscaglia
via CnC-List 
Sent: April 6, 2018 8:25:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Buscaglia
Subject: Stus-List Sidney boat yard 

 

I was planning on bringing my own paint.  Think that might be a problem?.

Tom Buscaglia 

S/V Alera 

1990 C&C 37+/40

Vashon WA

P 206.463.9200

C 305.409.3660

 


On Apr 5, 2018, at 9:05 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

Message: 6
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 04:04:42 +
From: Paul Baker 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard
Message-ID:
 

   
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

Just remember you'll get Canadian spec paint, which doesn't have anything at
all that actually stops fouling, nor any anti-slime additives.

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

 On my C&C34-1 I have height restrictions under the quarter berth.  I was
able to go with a group 24 for the start plus 2 X 6V group 27 electric
vehicle batteries for the house bank.

Haze makes a 6V 200Ah AGM group 27 sized battery.  So far, two years after
installing, I'm happy with these.

Think they are the HZB-EV6-200-2 listed here:
http://www.hazebattery.com/EVAGM/default.htm

Cheers,
Jeremy

I have been following this thread with interest because I suspect my AGM?s
have been mistreated and may need replacement.  What modifications to the
setup are needed if the 6V fit in the battery compartment?  I presumed you
would just wire the double 6V in series and everything else would be the
same? Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT
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Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

It's where the paint is applied that counts, or at least that's my 
understanding.  Non Canada approved paint cannot be applied to a boat in Canada 
regardless of where the boat is from. Suggest the OP calls the boat yard to 
check before making the effort to get to Sidney.

From: CnC-List  on behalf of David Blair via 
CnC-List 
Sent: April 6, 2018 1:21:58 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Blair
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard


I haven’t seen any Canadian authorities checking US boats in Canadian waters 
for the type of bottom paint they are using.  Common sense says it should be a 
non-issue (but common sense doesn’t always apply, does it?).  My $0.02



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 11:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Paul Baker
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard



If you are wanting a yard to apply it for you then you might run into problems. 
 Westport are pretty proud of their eco credentials so may not have any leeway 
on this.  Strictly speaking, even if you apply it yourself it still needs to be 
legal in Canada but it's very easy to accidentally tear the label or cover it 
in paint if you get my drift...



From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf 
of Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: April 6, 2018 8:25:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Buscaglia
Subject: Stus-List Sidney boat yard



I was planning on bringing my own paint.  Think that might be a problem?.

Tom Buscaglia

S/V Alera

1990 C&C 37+/40

Vashon WA

P 206.463.9200

C 305.409.3660



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 04:04:42 +
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To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

Just remember you'll get Canadian spec paint, which doesn't have anything at 
all that actually stops fouling, nor any anti-slime additives.
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Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Paul, Canadian paints are very similar to US paints except for the
anti-slime additives. Most use copper in the formulations. What do you
think is missing?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 5 April 2018 at 21:04, Paul Baker via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Just remember you'll get Canadian spec paint, which doesn't have anything
> at all that actually stops fouling, nor any anti-slime additives.
>
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Tom
> Buscaglia via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* April 5, 2018 3:48 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Tom Buscaglia
> *Subject:* Stus-List Sidney boat yard
>
> Alan
>
> The CSR yard in Des Moines is even closer.  But, I can save 25-30% due to
> exchange rate and no sales tax.  Also, there’s a super Yanmar mechanic that
> I want to do some work.
>
> Fun adventure too...
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2018, at 2:45 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 14:44:07 -0700
> From: ALAN BERGEN 
> To: "C&C" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Why Sidney when Port Townsend and Port Angeles are a lot closer.\?
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:19 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I am thinking about taking Alera up to Sidney for her bi annual haul out.
>
> Nothing major, just the usual zinc and bottom paint, etc.
>
>
> Any recommendations?
>
>
> Tom Buscaglia
>
> S/V Alera
>
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
>
> Vashon WA
>
> P 206.463.9200
>
> C 305.409.3660
>
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Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

The anti slime bit. I find that if you can stop the slime then you 
significantly reduce the amount of other growth that occurs, hard or otherwise. 
I agree that there's likely very little difference in the paint other than 
that, but if you're expecting to get SR60 or similar, you're going to be 
disappointed and to bear that in mind when deciding to get the work done up 
here in the frozen north.

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Jim Watts via 
CnC-List 
Sent: April 6, 2018 3:16:35 PM
To: 1 CnC List
Cc: Jim Watts
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard

Paul, Canadian paints are very similar to US paints except for the anti-slime 
additives. Most use copper in the formulations. What do you think is missing?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 5 April 2018 at 21:04, Paul Baker via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Just remember you'll get Canadian spec paint, which doesn't have anything at 
all that actually stops fouling, nor any anti-slime additives.



From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf 
of Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: April 5, 2018 3:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Buscaglia
Subject: Stus-List Sidney boat yard

Alan

The CSR yard in Des Moines is even closer.  But, I can save 25-30% due to 
exchange rate and no sales tax.  Also, there’s a super Yanmar mechanic that I 
want to do some work.

Fun adventure too...

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660




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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 14:44:07 -0700
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Why Sidney when Port Townsend and Port Angeles are a lot closer.\?

Alan


On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:19 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

I am thinking about taking Alera up to Sidney for her bi annual haul out.
Nothing major, just the usual zinc and bottom paint, etc.

Any recommendations?

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660

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Stus-List Hatches and Vent fans.

[Brien Sadler via CnC-List]

I have a 35-3 and my solar vent fan is though my forward hatch. Have any 35-3 
owners put their solar vent fan through the deck, possibly into the head and do 
you have pictures? I’m considering moving mine since I’d like more natural 
light coming in the v-berth. In addition all my hatches have the spider cracks 
in them has anyone replaced their acrylic with Plexi, sent their hatches to 
Select Plastics in Norwalk, CT to be refurbed or replaced them all together 
with Bomar or Lewmar hatches? I’m interested in everyone’s opinions and 
experience.

Thanks,

Brien Sadler
S/V TAZ
C&C 35-3
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Re: Stus-List Hatches and Vent fans.

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Acrylic and plexiglass are the same thing.  If you are handy, you can make
new lenses by using the old ones and a pattern bit on a router to make new
ones.  Thats's what I did.  My solar fan is in the hatch in the main
cabin.  Works well there.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR


On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Brien Sadler via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> I have a 35-3 and my solar vent fan is though my forward hatch. Have any
> 35-3 owners put their solar vent fan through the deck, possibly into the
> head and do you have pictures? I’m considering moving mine since I’d like
> more natural light coming in the v-berth. In addition all my hatches have
> the spider cracks in them has anyone replaced their acrylic with Plexi,
> sent their hatches to Select Plastics in Norwalk, CT to be refurbed or
> replaced them all together with Bomar or Lewmar hatches? I’m interested in
> everyone’s opinions and experience.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brien Sadler
> S/V TAZ
> C&C 35-3
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List Hatches and Vent fans.

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

I would like to add a vent to my main cabin Hatch is this a big deal ? Remove 
hatch trace cut? Or remove lens,  cut, router, sand, seal …
I love my new 37 (1982) and shes dry as a bone  problem is  o circualtion when 
I am gone for weeks on end
diesel smell?   but the coach widows are fixed (and hazed over  so those are on 
the hit list also !  and I cant leave the 2 opening ports open or boat will 
fill with water  So the solar vent in hatch would help right ?
Thanks !

John Conklin


From: CnC-List  on behalf of ALAN BERGEN via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 10:05:10 PM
To: C&C
Cc: ALAN BERGEN
Subject: Re: Stus-List Hatches and Vent fans.

Acrylic and plexiglass are the same thing.  If you are handy, you can make new 
lenses by using the old ones and a pattern bit on a router to make new ones.  
Thats's what I did.  My solar fan is in the hatch in the main cabin.  Works 
well there.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR


On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Brien Sadler via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have a 35-3 and my solar vent fan is though my forward hatch. Have any 35-3 
owners put their solar vent fan through the deck, possibly into the head and do 
you have pictures? I’m considering moving mine since I’d like more natural 
light coming in the v-berth. In addition all my hatches have the spider cracks 
in them has anyone replaced their acrylic with Plexi, sent their hatches to 
Select Plastics in Norwalk, CT to be refurbed or replaced them all together 
with Bomar or Lewmar hatches? I’m interested in everyone’s opinions and 
experience.

Thanks,

Brien Sadler
S/V TAZ
C&C 35-3
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Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Absolutely, I would use Trinidad SR if I could get it, but I can't. The
haulout contract (if I remember correctly) stipulates that you will use
only legal coatings, among other things.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 6 April 2018 at 16:19, Paul Baker via CnC-List 
wrote:

> The anti slime bit. I find that if you can stop the slime then you
> significantly reduce the amount of other growth that occurs, hard or
> otherwise. I agree that there's likely very little difference in the paint
> other than that, but if you're expecting to get SR60 or similar, you're
> going to be disappointed and to bear that in mind when deciding to get the
> work done up here in the frozen north.
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Jim Watts
> via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* April 6, 2018 3:16:35 PM
> *To:* 1 CnC List
> *Cc:* Jim Watts
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard
>
> Paul, Canadian paints are very similar to US paints except for the
> anti-slime additives. Most use copper in the formulations. What do you
> think is missing?
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
> On 5 April 2018 at 21:04, Paul Baker via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Just remember you'll get Canadian spec paint, which doesn't have anything
> at all that actually stops fouling, nor any anti-slime additives.
>
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Tom
> Buscaglia via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* April 5, 2018 3:48 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Tom Buscaglia
> *Subject:* Stus-List Sidney boat yard
>
> Alan
>
> The CSR yard in Des Moines is even closer.  But, I can save 25-30% due to
> exchange rate and no sales tax.  Also, there’s a super Yanmar mechanic that
> I want to do some work.
>
> Fun adventure too...
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2018, at 2:45 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 14:44:07 -0700
> From: ALAN BERGEN 
> To: "C&C" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sidney boat yard
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Why Sidney when Port Townsend and Port Angeles are a lot closer.\?
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:19 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I am thinking about taking Alera up to Sidney for her bi annual haul out.
>
> Nothing major, just the usual zinc and bottom paint, etc.
>
>
> Any recommendations?
>
>
> Tom Buscaglia
>
> S/V Alera
>
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
>
> Vashon WA
>
> P 206.463.9200
>
> C 305.409.3660
>
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Re: Stus-List Hatches and Vent fans.

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

IMO, solar fans in the hatch are preferred to any in the deck.  The deck is
potentially structural and at least creates an additional path for water
ingress, wet core, rot...

You can install a solar vent fan in the hatch pretty simply by making off a
hole and cutting out with a scroll saw.  Keep just slightly inside of the
line and then use a sanding drum and drill to do the final friction fit and
edge dressing.  No need to remove the hatch or the lens.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Fri, Apr 6, 2018, 10:23 PM John Conklin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I would like to add a vent to my main cabin Hatch is this a big deal ?
> Remove hatch trace cut? Or remove lens,  cut, router, sand, seal …
>
> I love my new 37 (1982) and shes dry as a bone  problem is  o circualtion
> when I am gone for weeks on end
>
> diesel smell?   but the coach widows are fixed (and hazed over  so those
> are on the hit list also !  and I cant leave the 2 opening ports open or
> boat will fill with water  So the solar vent in hatch would help right ?
>
> Thanks !
>
>
>
> John Conklin
>
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of ALAN BERGEN
> via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, April 6, 2018 10:05:10 PM
> *To:* C&C
> *Cc:* ALAN BERGEN
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Hatches and Vent fans.
>
> Acrylic and plexiglass are the same thing.  If you are handy, you can make
> new lenses by using the old ones and a pattern bit on a router to make new
> ones.  Thats's what I did.  My solar fan is in the hatch in the main
> cabin.  Works well there.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Brien Sadler via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a 35-3 and my solar vent fan is though my forward hatch. Have any
>> 35-3 owners put their solar vent fan through the deck, possibly into the
>> head and do you have pictures? I’m considering moving mine since I’d like
>> more natural light coming in the v-berth. In addition all my hatches have
>> the spider cracks in them has anyone replaced their acrylic with Plexi,
>> sent their hatches to Select Plastics in Norwalk, CT to be refurbed or
>> replaced them all together with Bomar or Lewmar hatches? I’m interested in
>> everyone’s opinions and experience.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brien Sadler
>> S/V TAZ
>> C&C 35-3
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List Hatches and Vent fans.

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I replaced the passive mushroom over the head with a Nicro solar, keeps the
boat nice and fresh. I gave up on fixing hatch problems and replaced
everything with new Lewmars.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 6 April 2018 at 19:22, John Conklin via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I would like to add a vent to my main cabin Hatch is this a big deal ?
> Remove hatch trace cut? Or remove lens,  cut, router, sand, seal …
>
> I love my new 37 (1982) and shes dry as a bone  problem is  o circualtion
> when I am gone for weeks on end
>
> diesel smell?   but the coach widows are fixed (and hazed over  so those
> are on the hit list also !  and I cant leave the 2 opening ports open or
> boat will fill with water  So the solar vent in hatch would help right ?
>
> Thanks !
>
>
>
> John Conklin
>
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of ALAN BERGEN
> via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, April 6, 2018 10:05:10 PM
> *To:* C&C
> *Cc:* ALAN BERGEN
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Hatches and Vent fans.
>
> Acrylic and plexiglass are the same thing.  If you are handy, you can make
> new lenses by using the old ones and a pattern bit on a router to make new
> ones.  Thats's what I did.  My solar fan is in the hatch in the main
> cabin.  Works well there.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Brien Sadler via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a 35-3 and my solar vent fan is though my forward hatch. Have any
>> 35-3 owners put their solar vent fan through the deck, possibly into the
>> head and do you have pictures? I’m considering moving mine since I’d like
>> more natural light coming in the v-berth. In addition all my hatches have
>> the spider cracks in them has anyone replaced their acrylic with Plexi,
>> sent their hatches to Select Plastics in Norwalk, CT to be refurbed or
>> replaced them all together with Bomar or Lewmar hatches? I’m interested in
>> everyone’s opinions and experience.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brien Sadler
>> S/V TAZ
>> C&C 35-3
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 147, Issue 32

[Marilyn Eaton via CnC-List]

The plexiglass will crack like that if you use anything with ammonia in it, 
like Windex, etc. 
Mystic Moon 

M.E.

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>   3. Re:  Hatches and Vent fans. (John Conklin)
>   4. Re:  Sidney boat yard (Jim Watts)
>   5. Re:  Hatches and Vent fans. (Josh Muckley)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 21:56:03 -0400
> From: Brien Sadler 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Hatches and Vent fans.
> Message-ID: <003ea1e0-49b0-4a77-88d0-c3eb95b43...@gmail.com>
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> 
> 
> I have a 35-3 and my solar vent fan is though my forward hatch. Have any 35-3 
> owners put their solar vent fan through the deck, possibly into the head and 
> do you have pictures? I?m considering moving mine since I?d like more natural 
> light coming in the v-berth. In addition all my hatches have the spider 
> cracks in them has anyone replaced their acrylic with Plexi, sent their 
> hatches to Select Plastics in Norwalk, CT to be refurbed or replaced them all 
> together with Bomar or Lewmar hatches? I?m interested in everyone?s opinions 
> and experience.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brien Sadler
> S/V TAZ
> C&C 35-3
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 19:05:10 -0700
> From: ALAN BERGEN 
> To: "C&C" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Hatches and Vent fans.
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Acrylic and plexiglass are the same thing.  If you are handy, you can make
> new lenses by using the old ones and a pattern bit on a router to make new
> ones.  Thats's what I did.  My solar fan is in the hatch in the main
> cabin.  Works well there.
> 
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Brien Sadler via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I have a 35-3 and my solar vent fan is though my forward hatch. Have any
>> 35-3 owners put their solar vent fan through the deck, possibly into the
>> head and do you have pictures? I?m considering moving mine since I?d like
>> more natural light coming in the v-berth. In addition all my hatches have
>> the spider cracks in them has anyone replaced their acrylic with Plexi,
>> sent their hatches to Select Plastics in Norwalk, CT to be refurbed or
>> replaced them all together with Bomar or Lewmar hatches? I?m interested in
>> everyone?s opinions and experience.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brien Sadler
>> S/V TAZ
>> C&C 35-3
>> Sent from my iPad
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> I would like to add a vent to my main cabin Hatch is this a big deal ? Remove 
> hatch trace cut? Or remove lens,  cut,