Re: Stus-List single handing

[dwight]

Curt

 

Thanks for sharing the photos.  Something that I noticed is that your
docking lines appear to be fastened to your winches.I recommend that you
consider using an aft cleat for the stern lines (similar to how you have the
bow line) and midship attachment (to the toe rail for example) for separate
fore and aft spring lines.  It might make a difference if conditions get
unexpectedly rough at the marina. Also I believe your topping lift might
work better and be more out of the way if it were connected to the very aft
end of the boom. I notice you have a 4:1 purchase on the main sheet; if you
find the sail hard to trim close hauled in heavier air you could easily
increase that to 5:1 if the fiddle block on your boom had a becket like this
one:

 

http://ca.binnacle.com/p4288/HARKEN-FIDDLE-BLOCK-W/BECKET/product_info.html

 

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis
Sent: January 4, 2014 1:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List single handing

 

My finger has the wind predominantly out of the south or off the stern. but
sometime it blows me into the dock. I also have the pleasure of the South
Carolina ripping tides of from 7 to 9 feet per cycle. So first of all I have
learned to pick my battles. If it is to harsh I tie up at the face dock til
the lull tide. If I have an outgoing tide I can do it up to mid tide if
there is no wind to deal with. I can manage to crab it in the birth with the
current off the nose. I keep a 8 foot ling over the rear winch and a bow
line and a amidship spring line. I get the nose in and I got it. I do ask
for help if its a harsh day. Otherwize I have no trouble. It is worth just
picking a day for a short in and out of the slip practice. Maybe I plan an
afternoon day sail but get there way early prep the boat and ease her out
and swing in" calibrate the wind vane or the electronic compass. then birth
her and wate for the guest to show and take her out again. Practice,
Practice,Practice. I'm new to all of this but learning fast.

Thanks to all you guys and your help I may not bounce off any of the guys
boats in the marina.

 

Cheers. Curt

 

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s31/LTGoshen/New%20Bimini%20Nov%202013/20
131031_180302_zpsb64aa2f6.jpg

 

 

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Chuck S  wrote:

Agree about dockside help.  Many times a powerboater not used to pointy
boats, will pull my sailboat's bowline too tight to the finger.  Last year,
A 20 year veteran boatyard worker helped me to tie up.  I had all my lines
coiled at the gate and was motoring in neutral into a slip with a slight
headwind, keeping steerageway and planning to give her a slight burst of
reverse after I got inside the outer pilings.  I asked the guy to take the
bowline as it came in reach and before I knew it he tied it tight to a cleat
midway on the float, and before I could do anything the bow was pulled to
the side and the hull pulled into the finger.  I jumped onto the float and
stopped the boat but not before the hull ahead of my fenders was gouged  by
a sharp edge of a plank.  I asked why he didn't allow the boat to fully
enter the slip and why tie to the wrong cleat?  He said wasn't aware of my
ability and he didn't think I could stop the boat and he was used to 70 foot
Viking Yachts that have so much power they can destroy the dock.  He meant
well.  We're still friends, but now I only hand out a midship line when
people want to help.  If they pull on that too hard, the fenders will
protect the hull.  

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ

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From: "Bill Bina" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2014 8:10:13 PM


Subject: Re: Stus-List single handing

I actually don't like strangers assisting me in docking. We haven't 
rehearsed together, and that makes for surprises that I can do without. 
The other tip, is that although you don't want to come in too fast, most 
botched dockings I see are caused by going so slow that steerage and 
lift on the keel becomes weak or lacking. When entering my slip, I'm 
traveling downstream, usually with a crosswind. I have to move faster 
than the river to maintain control. Knowing what stage of tide is 
critical, as just before low tide, is the fastest current of all. That 
also means my boat goes sideways faster as I make the turn across the 
current to enter the fairway. So I need to compensate for that as well. 
If the tide is rising, current is slower and docking is considerably 
easier for me. Practice is more than just repetition. You have to 
observe details and remember them.

Bill Bina

On 1/3/2014 11:42 AM, Curtis wrote:
> Being a good single handler doesn't mean you can't ask for help. It's
> not that you have to do it all yourself at the dock. Plenty of people
> at my dock, and always willing to grab a line. Asking for help in a
> tight means you are being smart. The more I do it the better I get at
> doing it. I also think of all sorts of thing that

Re: Stus-List Move to J/42 versus new C&C's of similar size and function

[Wally Bryant]

Right. Some idiot bought a Sabre 40 a couple of years ago, and actually 
T-Boned a fishing trawler 80 miles off shore. The story is that they 
were all sitting down below trying to figure out who was supposed to be 
on watch, while the boat motored on. I only know this because they named 
the boat 'Stella Blue' and I was also off shore at the time, and when I 
hit land I had 30 emails asking me if I was okay and what happened. I 
didn't have a clue, and could only say 'Huh... I dunno what you're 
talking about.'



you wrote:

Agreed on the Sabres. I’ve spent time on one of them as well. Reasonably nice 
boats but not my cup of tea either. They are not on my list.



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Stus-List booms on 37

[Pete Shelquist]

Steve, Dave, Mac and other 37 owners:

 

FYI - There is another 37 in my area in which the boom broke last summer.  I’m 
told it happened right at the mainsheet attachment and in very moderate 
conditions.  Feedback from the shop that made the repair and who spoke with a 
number of mfctrs re: replacement, the booms of this generation/configuration 
have a tendency to weaken and break due to any combination of wall thickness, 
fatigue, point loading, etc.   If this is truly a chronic issue or a one-time 
thing is TBD.

 

For our boat, in the 10 yrs we owned her, I’ve raced two Trans-Superior (300+ 
miles) and numerous 60-100 milers, both solo and crewed.  I haven’t seen the 
serious bending that Mac described, and don’t have a problem getting decent 
shape on the leach of the main (and assume it’s not an issue with Mac’s sail).  
However, I’m going to keep monitoring and am considering proactive 
strengthening of the boom.  

 

Pete

1984 37

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sharkey
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:13 AM
To: Martin "Mac" McKenzie; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Relatively new C&C owner

 

Mac,

 

I also have a 1983 C&C 37 and do a lot of single-handed sailing including 
distances races.  I’d be interested to see pictures or learn more about 
modifications that you’ve made.  What type of autohelm do you have?

 

Steve Sharkey

Impromptu

 

From: Martin   "Mac" McKenzie 

Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 9:13 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Subject: Stus-List Relatively new C&C owner

 

Hello All,

 

I have a 1983 C&C 37 that I purchased 2 years ago from RCR yachts in Buffalo. 
It was named IMPACT and prior to that it was named FREEDOM SONG. I have named 
it WORTHY PEARL. I sail it on Lake Ontario out of Etobicoke Yacht Club. Prior 
to this boat I had a Niagara 26 WAVE WALKER that I sailed for 31 years. My son 
has taken ownership of it now.

 

I am still getting used to her but I think the boat sails extremely well. I 
have made a number of changes to the running rigging, having everything coming 
back to the cockpit. I sail mainly short handed and do a lot of single handed 
racing. My goal this year is to do the Lake Ontario 300 single handed with 
spinnaker.

 

The biggest change I am making over the winter is moving the traveler from the 
cabin top to the cockpit. I found that the mid boom sheeting could not trim the 
main properly. With a loose footed main, the boom would bend and not tighten 
the leach. I will let you all know if it works. I will keep the original 
traveler on the cabin top just in case.

 

Mac McKenzie

1983 C&C 37 Worthy Pearl

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Stus-List Latest Mexico Info

[Peter]

Good write-up in Lat. 38 on the current situation in Mexico: 
http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/lectronicday.lasso?date=2014-01-03#Story2

 

 

Kind Regards,

Peter, Kai and Liam White

S/V Outrider

C&C 39, 1974, Hull #60

www.cruisingnet.com

 

Currently lying Guaymas, Mexico

 

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Re: Stus-List Line - Yale ULS vs staset

[Jim Watts]

Evans Starzinger is doing some bench testing of lines/knots/splices and the
results are very interesting.
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=154025
Best of all, I'm learning new knots.
If you don't want to plough through the whole discussion, the bottom line
is that the XLS is equal in strength to Sta-Set but stretches very slightly
more. Evans has an interesting comment in that his strength numbers agree
with Samson's, but NER's numbers seem inflated. (my paraphrase).


On 3 January 2014 18:55, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> Happy to help save a few bucks!  Never bought any Yale product, but it is
> cheaper than StaSet.  I'd call APS and ask them for their opinion.
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 3, 2014, j...@svpaws.net wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the tip on the sale at APS.  Does anyone have experience with
>> Yale's ULS?  I was working up my order for tried and true staset but there
>> is a significant difference in price from the Yale product.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Jan 1, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Joel Aronson 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Happy New Year all!
>> >
>> > APS has 25% of all line and rigging in January.
>> >
>> > Joel
>> >
>> >
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Re: Stus-List Line - Yale ULS vs staset

[Jim Watts]

And I see I wandered off track a bit. No discussion of the Yale
product...but Samson seems to be much less expensive than NER if you're
going that way.


On 4 January 2014 08:53, Jim Watts  wrote:

> Evans Starzinger is doing some bench testing of lines/knots/splices and
> the results are very interesting.
> http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=154025
> Best of all, I'm learning new knots.
> If you don't want to plough through the whole discussion, the bottom line
> is that the XLS is equal in strength to Sta-Set but stretches very slightly
> more. Evans has an interesting comment in that his strength numbers agree
> with Samson's, but NER's numbers seem inflated. (my paraphrase).
>
>
> On 3 January 2014 18:55, Joel Aronson  wrote:
>
>> Happy to help save a few bucks!  Never bought any Yale product, but it is
>> cheaper than StaSet.  I'd call APS and ask them for their opinion.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 3, 2014, j...@svpaws.net wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the tip on the sale at APS.  Does anyone have experience with
>>> Yale's ULS?  I was working up my order for tried and true staset but there
>>> is a significant difference in price from the Yale product.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> > On Jan 1, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Joel Aronson 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Happy New Year all!
>>> >
>>> > APS has 25% of all line and rigging in January.
>>> >
>>> > Joel
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: Stus-List booms on 37

[Dave Godwin]

Pete,

I replaced my boom with a custom built one years ago. I wish I had saved my old 
boom as a replacement for someone who needed it. That said, it did not need 
replacement due to breakage or bending so that should be good news for most 
owners.

Best,
Dave
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay

On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Pete Shelquist  wrote:

> Steve, Dave, Mac and other 37 owners:
>  
> FYI - There is another 37 in my area in which the boom broke last summer.  
> I’m told it happened right at the mainsheet attachment and in very moderate 
> conditions.  Feedback from the shop that made the repair and who spoke with a 
> number of mfctrs re: replacement, the booms of this generation/configuration 
> have a tendency to weaken and break due to any combination of wall thickness, 
> fatigue, point loading, etc.   If this is truly a chronic issue or a one-time 
> thing is TBD.
>  
> For our boat, in the 10 yrs we owned her, I’ve raced two Trans-Superior (300+ 
> miles) and numerous 60-100 milers, both solo and crewed.  I haven’t seen the 
> serious bending that Mac described, and don’t have a problem getting decent 
> shape on the leach of the main (and assume it’s not an issue with Mac’s 
> sail).  However, I’m going to keep monitoring and am considering proactive 
> strengthening of the boom.  
>  
> Pete
> 1984 37
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Sharkey
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:13 AM
> To: Martin "Mac" McKenzie; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Relatively new C&C owner
>  
> Mac,
>  
> I also have a 1983 C&C 37 and do a lot of single-handed sailing including 
> distances races.  I’d be interested to see pictures or learn more about 
> modifications that you’ve made.  What type of autohelm do you have?
>  
> Steve Sharkey
> Impromptu
>  
> From: Martin "Mac" McKenzie
> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 9:13 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Relatively new C&C owner
>  
> Hello All,
>  
> I have a 1983 C&C 37 that I purchased 2 years ago from RCR yachts in Buffalo. 
> It was named IMPACT and prior to that it was named FREEDOM SONG. I have named 
> it WORTHY PEARL. I sail it on Lake Ontario out of Etobicoke Yacht Club. Prior 
> to this boat I had a Niagara 26 WAVE WALKER that I sailed for 31 years. My 
> son has taken ownership of it now.
>  
> I am still getting used to her but I think the boat sails extremely well. I 
> have made a number of changes to the running rigging, having everything 
> coming back to the cockpit. I sail mainly short handed and do a lot of single 
> handed racing. My goal this year is to do the Lake Ontario 300 single handed 
> with spinnaker.
>  
> The biggest change I am making over the winter is moving the traveler from 
> the cabin top to the cockpit. I found that the mid boom sheeting could not 
> trim the main properly. With a loose footed main, the boom would bend and not 
> tighten the leach. I will let you all know if it works. I will keep the 
> original traveler on the cabin top just in case.
>  
> Mac McKenzie
> 1983 C&C 37 Worthy Pearl
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Re: Stus-List single handing

[Gary Nylander]

Dwight, I agree with your docking observations. I went further than you on the 
main, though. I moved my traveler to the bridgedeck and made it the width of 
the flat area (getting a bunch more control) and put another 4:1 smaller setup 
into the middle of the original 4:1, giving me 16:1. No problem with pulling it 
in, even with it attached at about 2/3 back on the boom.

And, I got rid of the topping lift with a Garhauer solid vang. I see Curtis 
appears to have some sort of solid vang, so I don't understand the need for the 
topping lift (or is that the backstay).

Another trick I use with the 30-1, (which is really crappy when backing - - - 
what with the offset prop). My old slip was on a narrow channel and I backed 
the boat in - start down the channel going backwards - get a little speed up 
and drive it like a car, facing backwards. Seems to work pretty well, and can 
be stopped with a little blast of forward. When I docked before, I would go up 
the channel, stop and then try to back in - didn't have enough way on to get 
effective rudder control. If I back in from a distance, the rudder is already 
doing its job.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: dwight 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 8:31 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List single handing


  Curt

   

  Thanks for sharing the photos.  Something that I noticed is that your docking 
lines appear to be fastened to your winches.I recommend that you consider using 
an aft cleat for the stern lines (similar to how you have the bow line) and 
midship attachment (to the toe rail for example) for separate fore and aft 
spring lines.  It might make a difference if conditions get unexpectedly rough 
at the marina. Also I believe your topping lift might work better and be more 
out of the way if it were connected to the very aft end of the boom. I notice 
you have a 4:1 purchase on the main sheet; if you find the sail hard to trim 
close hauled in heavier air you could easily increase that to 5:1 if the fiddle 
block on your boom had a becket like this one:

   

  http://ca.binnacle.com/p4288/HARKEN-FIDDLE-BLOCK-W/BECKET/product_info.html

   

   


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  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis
  Sent: January 4, 2014 1:15 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List single handing

   

  My finger has the wind predominantly out of the south or off the stern. but 
sometime it blows me into the dock. I also have the pleasure of the South 
Carolina ripping tides of from 7 to 9 feet per cycle. So first of all I have 
learned to pick my battles. If it is to harsh I tie up at the face dock til the 
lull tide. If I have an outgoing tide I can do it up to mid tide if there is no 
wind to deal with. I can manage to crab it in the birth with the current off 
the nose. I keep a 8 foot ling over the rear winch and a bow line and a 
amidship spring line. I get the nose in and I got it. I do ask for help if its 
a harsh day. Otherwize I have no trouble. It is worth just picking a day for a 
short in and out of the slip practice. Maybe I plan an afternoon day sail but 
get there way early prep the boat and ease her out and swing in" calibrate the 
wind vane or the electronic compass. then birth her and wate for the guest to 
show and take her out again. Practice, Practice,Practice. I'm new to all of 
this but learning fast.

  Thanks to all you guys and your help I may not bounce off any of the guys 
boats in the marina.

   

  Cheers. Curt

   

  
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s31/LTGoshen/New%20Bimini%20Nov%202013/20131031_180302_zpsb64aa2f6.jpg

   

   

  On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Chuck S  wrote:

  Agree about dockside help.  Many times a powerboater not used to pointy 
boats, will pull my sailboat's bowline too tight to the finger.  Last year, A 
20 year veteran boatyard worker helped me to tie up.  I had all my lines coiled 
at the gate and was motoring in neutral into a slip with a slight headwind, 
keeping steerageway and planning to give her a slight burst of reverse after I 
got inside the outer pilings.  I asked the guy to take the bowline as it came 
in reach and before I knew it he tied it tight to a cleat midway on the float, 
and before I could do anything the bow was pulled to the side and the hull 
pulled into the finger.  I jumped onto the float and stopped the boat but not 
before the hull ahead of my fenders was gouged  by a sharp edge of a plank.  I 
asked why he didn't allow the boat to fully enter the slip and why tie to the 
wrong cleat?  He said wasn't aware of my ability and he didn't think I could 
stop the boat and he was used to 70 foot Viking Yachts that have so much power 
they can destroy the dock.  He meant well.  We're still friends, but now I only 
hand out a midship line when people want to help.  If they pull on that too 
hard, the fenders will protect th

Re: Stus-List single handing

[Curtis]

Gary, you are right on the Spin-lock Rigid vang. My 30MK1 has a split
backstay..
The topping lift in the photo is just kept out of the way. Perhaps I will
remove it next time I go up the mast/
My reverse sux so bad I have never tried to back into my birth. Maybe one
day when I'm well experienced and have some hands to help incase I get into
trouble.
Thanks for the help


On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Gary Nylander wrote:

>   Dwight, I agree with your docking observations. I went further than you
> on the main, though. I moved my traveler to the bridgedeck and made it the
> width of the flat area (getting a bunch more control) and put another 4:1
> smaller setup into the middle of the original 4:1, giving me 16:1. No
> problem with pulling it in, even with it attached at about 2/3 back on the
> boom.
>
> And, I got rid of the topping lift with a Garhauer solid vang. I see
> Curtis appears to have some sort of solid vang, so I don't understand the
> need for the topping lift (or is that the backstay).
>
> Another trick I use with the 30-1, (which is really crappy when backing -
> - - what with the offset prop). My old slip was on a narrow channel and I
> backed the boat in - start down the channel going backwards - get a little
> speed up and drive it like a car, facing backwards. Seems to work pretty
> well, and can be stopped with a little blast of forward. When I docked
> before, I would go up the channel, stop and then try to back in - didn't
> have enough way on to get effective rudder control. If I back in from a
> distance, the rudder is already doing its job.
>
> Gary
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* dwight 
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2014 8:31 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List single handing
>
>  Curt
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing the photos.  Something that I noticed is that your
> docking lines appear to be fastened to your winches…I recommend that you
> consider using an aft cleat for the stern lines (similar to how you have
> the bow line) and midship attachment (to the toe rail for example) for
> *separate* fore and aft spring lines.  It might make a difference if
> conditions get unexpectedly rough at the marina. Also I believe your
> topping lift might work better and be more out of the way if it were
> connected to the very aft end of the boom. I notice you have a 4:1 purchase
> on the main sheet; if you find the sail hard to trim close hauled in
> heavier air you could easily increase that to 5:1 if the fiddle block on
> your boom had a becket like this one:
>
>
>
> http://ca.binnacle.com/p4288/HARKEN-FIDDLE-BLOCK-W/BECKET/product_info.html
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *
> Curtis
> *Sent:* January 4, 2014 1:15 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List single handing
>
>
>
> My finger has the wind predominantly out of the south or off the stern.
> but sometime it blows me into the dock. I also have the pleasure of the South
> Carolina ripping tides of from 7 to 9 feet per cycle. So first of all I
> have learned to pick my battles. If it is to harsh I tie up at the face
> dock til the lull tide. If I have an outgoing tide I can do it up to mid
> tide if there is no wind to deal with. I can manage to crab it in the birth
> with the current off the nose. I keep a 8 foot ling over the rear winch and
> a bow line and a amidship spring line. I get the nose in and I got it. I do
> ask for help if its a harsh day. Otherwize I have no trouble. It is worth
> just picking a day for a short in and out of the slip practice. Maybe I
> plan an afternoon day sail but get there way early prep the boat and ease
> her out and swing in" calibrate the wind vane or the electronic compass.
> then birth her and wate for the guest to show and take her out again.
> Practice, Practice,Practice. I'm new to all of this but learning fast.
>
> Thanks to all you guys and your help I may not bounce off any of the guys
> boats in the marina.
>
>
>
> Cheers. Curt
>
>
>
>
> http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s31/LTGoshen/New%20Bimini%20Nov%202013/20131031_180302_zpsb64aa2f6.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Chuck S  wrote:
>
> Agree about dockside help.  Many times a powerboater not used to pointy
> boats, will pull my sailboat's bowline too tight to the finger.  Last year,
> A 20 year veteran boatyard worker helped me to tie up.  I had all my lines
> coiled at the gate and was motoring in neutral into a slip with a slight
> headwind, keeping steerageway and planning to give her a slight burst of
> reverse after I got inside the outer pilings.  I asked the guy to take the
> bowline as it came in reach and before I knew it he tied it tight to a
> cleat midway on the float, and before I could do anything the bow was
> pulled to the side and the hull pulled into the finger.  I jumped onto the
> float and stopped the boat but not before the hull ahead of my fenders was

Re: Stus-List single handing

[Gary Nylander]

I went out into the harbor and just backed around for a while - start and stop 
- left and right, etc. I find that I can stand next to the wheel and drive it 
like a car at about 2 knots

Now I have a slip that I can drive into - forward - but have to get something 
to get over the lifelines as my gate is too far back - going to look into 
something to fix that one this year.

I have the split backstay with an adjuster - actually a Garhauer conventional 
4:1 vang rigged to a pair of blocks (the old wire ones) which are attached 
together and to the vang. I think all the later 30's came with the split.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Curtis 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:48 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List single handing


  Gary, you are right on the Spin-lock Rigid vang. My 30MK1 has a split 
backstay.. 
  The topping lift in the photo is just kept out of the way. Perhaps I will 
remove it next time I go up the mast/
  My reverse sux so bad I have never tried to back into my birth. Maybe one day 
when I'm well experienced and have some hands to help incase I get into trouble.
  Thanks for the help



  On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Gary Nylander  
wrote:

Dwight, I agree with your docking observations. I went further than you on 
the main, though. I moved my traveler to the bridgedeck and made it the width 
of the flat area (getting a bunch more control) and put another 4:1 smaller 
setup into the middle of the original 4:1, giving me 16:1. No problem with 
pulling it in, even with it attached at about 2/3 back on the boom.

And, I got rid of the topping lift with a Garhauer solid vang. I see Curtis 
appears to have some sort of solid vang, so I don't understand the need for the 
topping lift (or is that the backstay).

Another trick I use with the 30-1, (which is really crappy when backing - - 
- what with the offset prop). My old slip was on a narrow channel and I backed 
the boat in - start down the channel going backwards - get a little speed up 
and drive it like a car, facing backwards. Seems to work pretty well, and can 
be stopped with a little blast of forward. When I docked before, I would go up 
the channel, stop and then try to back in - didn't have enough way on to get 
effective rudder control. If I back in from a distance, the rudder is already 
doing its job.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: dwight 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 8:31 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List single handing


  Curt



  Thanks for sharing the photos.  Something that I noticed is that your 
docking lines appear to be fastened to your winches…I recommend that you 
consider using an aft cleat for the stern lines (similar to how you have the 
bow line) and midship attachment (to the toe rail for example) for separate 
fore and aft spring lines.  It might make a difference if conditions get 
unexpectedly rough at the marina. Also I believe your topping lift might work 
better and be more out of the way if it were connected to the very aft end of 
the boom. I notice you have a 4:1 purchase on the main sheet; if you find the 
sail hard to trim close hauled in heavier air you could easily increase that to 
5:1 if the fiddle block on your boom had a becket like this one:



  
http://ca.binnacle.com/p4288/HARKEN-FIDDLE-BLOCK-W/BECKET/product_info.html






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  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis
  Sent: January 4, 2014 1:15 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List single handing



  My finger has the wind predominantly out of the south or off the stern. 
but sometime it blows me into the dock. I also have the pleasure of the South 
Carolina ripping tides of from 7 to 9 feet per cycle. So first of all I have 
learned to pick my battles. If it is to harsh I tie up at the face dock til the 
lull tide. If I have an outgoing tide I can do it up to mid tide if there is no 
wind to deal with. I can manage to crab it in the birth with the current off 
the nose. I keep a 8 foot ling over the rear winch and a bow line and a 
amidship spring line. I get the nose in and I got it. I do ask for help if its 
a harsh day. Otherwize I have no trouble. It is worth just picking a day for a 
short in and out of the slip practice. Maybe I plan an afternoon day sail but 
get there way early prep the boat and ease her out and swing in" calibrate the 
wind vane or the electronic compass. then birth her and wate for the guest to 
show and take her out again. Practice, Practice,Practice. I'm new to all of 
this but learning fast.

  Thanks to all you guys and your help I may not bounce off any of the guys 
boats in the marina.



  Cheers. Curt



  
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Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

[Edd Schillay]

Listers,

I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here have 
bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it’s mounted? I took mine 
off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put it on again. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List booms on 37

[Steve Sharkey]

My boom is original and I haven’t had issues with it, although I do think that 
it bends when you really crank down on to get a good shape in heavy air.

Steve
C&C 37
Impromptu

From: Dave Godwin 
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List booms on 37

Pete, 

I replaced my boom with a custom built one years ago. I wish I had saved my old 
boom as a replacement for someone who needed it. That said, it did not need 
replacement due to breakage or bending so that should be good news for most 
owners.

Best,
Dave
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay

On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Pete Shelquist  wrote:


  Steve, Dave, Mac and other 37 owners:

  FYI - There is another 37 in my area in which the boom broke last summer.  
I’m told it happened right at the mainsheet attachment and in very moderate 
conditions.  Feedback from the shop that made the repair and who spoke with a 
number of mfctrs re: replacement, the booms of this generation/configuration 
have a tendency to weaken and break due to any combination of wall thickness, 
fatigue, point loading, etc.   If this is truly a chronic issue or a one-time 
thing is TBD.

  For our boat, in the 10 yrs we owned her, I’ve raced two Trans-Superior (300+ 
miles) and numerous 60-100 milers, both solo and crewed.  I haven’t seen the 
serious bending that Mac described, and don’t have a problem getting decent 
shape on the leach of the main (and assume it’s not an issue with Mac’s sail).  
However, I’m going to keep monitoring and am considering proactive 
strengthening of the boom.  

  Pete
  1984 37


  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
Sharkey
  Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:13 AM
  To: Martin "Mac" McKenzie; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Relatively new C&C owner
   
  Mac,
   
  I also have a 1983 C&C 37 and do a lot of single-handed sailing including 
distances races.  I’d be interested to see pictures or learn more about 
modifications that you’ve made.  What type of autohelm do you have?
   
  Steve Sharkey
  Impromptu
   
  From: Martin "Mac" McKenzie
  Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 9:13 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Stus-List Relatively new C&C owner
   
  Hello All,

  I have a 1983 C&C 37 that I purchased 2 years ago from RCR yachts in Buffalo. 
It was named IMPACT and prior to that it was named FREEDOM SONG. I have named 
it WORTHY PEARL. I sail it on Lake Ontario out of Etobicoke Yacht Club. Prior 
to this boat I had a Niagara 26 WAVE WALKER that I sailed for 31 years. My son 
has taken ownership of it now.

  I am still getting used to her but I think the boat sails extremely well. I 
have made a number of changes to the running rigging, having everything coming 
back to the cockpit. I sail mainly short handed and do a lot of single handed 
racing. My goal this year is to do the Lake Ontario 300 single handed with 
spinnaker.

  The biggest change I am making over the winter is moving the traveler from 
the cabin top to the cockpit. I found that the mid boom sheeting could not trim 
the main properly. With a loose footed main, the boom would bend and not 
tighten the leach. I will let you all know if it works. I will keep the 
original traveler on the cabin top just in case.
   
  Mac McKenzie
  1983 C&C 37 Worthy Pearl

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Stus-List Edd's bikini request

[Tom B]

Dude...You do NOT want to see me in a bikini!

Tom Buscaglia
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> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:09 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 13:01:51 -0500
> From: Edd Schillay 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> 
> Listers,
> 
>I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here have 
> bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it?s mounted? I took 
> mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put it on 
> again. 
> 
>
>All the best,
> 
>Edd
> 
> 
>Edd M. Schillay
>Starship Enterprise
>C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>City Island, NY 
>Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> 

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Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

[Rich Knowles]

Mounting a bikini is beyond the scope of this chat group. Please see sailing 
anarchy. 

Rich

> On Jan 4, 2014, at 14:01, Edd Schillay  wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
>   I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here have 
> bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it’s mounted? I took 
> mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put it on 
> again. 
> 
>   
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd
> 
> 
>   Edd M. Schillay
>   Starship Enterprise
>   C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>   City Island, NY 
>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List booms on 37

[Chuck S]

Avoiding Boom failure: 
IMHO, you could check the area where the mainsheet block attaches to the Boom 
and look for cracks or ovaling of the holes. You can add a second bail through 
the boom, or change the attachment, so you divide up the point loading. Our 
boom has two bails so each carry half the load stress that a single bail would 
carry. 

Mid boom sheeting, because it requires more sheet load than end boom sheeting, 
to shape the mainsail, often spreads the load over three attachment points . 

Just saying, I've never seen our boom bend from mainsheet (near end of boom), 
but I have seen it bend from too much vang tension which is close to where mid 
boom sheeting would attach. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: "Pete Shelquist"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, "Martin \"Mac\" McKenzie"  
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2014 10:39:48 AM 
Subject: Stus-List booms on 37 




Steve, Dave, Mac and other 37 owners: 



FYI - There is another 37 in my area in which the boom broke last summer. I’m 
told it happened right at the mainsheet attachment and in very moderate 
conditions. Feedback from the shop that made the repair and who spoke with a 
number of mfctrs re: replacement, the booms of this generation/configuration 
have a tendency to weaken and break due to any combination of wall thickness, 
fatigue, point loading, etc. If this is truly a chronic issue or a one-time 
thing is TBD. 



For our boat, in the 10 yrs we owned her, I’ve raced two Trans-Superior (300+ 
miles) and numerous 60-100 milers, both solo and crewed. I haven’t seen the 
serious bending that Mac described, and don’t have a problem getting decent 
shape on the leach of the main (and assume it’s not an issue with Mac’s sail). 
However, I’m going to keep monitoring and am considering proactive 
strengthening of the boom. 



Pete 

1984 37 







From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
Sharkey 
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:13 AM 
To: Martin "Mac" McKenzie; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Relatively new C&C owner 






Mac, 





I also have a 1983 C&C 37 and do a lot of single-handed sailing including 
distances races. I’d be interested to see pictures or learn more about 
modifications that you’ve made. What type of autohelm do you have? 





Steve Sharkey 


Impromptu 








From: Martin "Mac" McKenzie 


Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 9:13 PM 


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 


Subject: Stus-List Relatively new C&C owner 







Hello All, 





I have a 1983 C&C 37 that I purchased 2 years ago from RCR yachts in Buffalo. 
It was named IMPACT and prior to that it was named FREEDOM SONG. I have named 
it WORTHY PEARL. I sail it on Lake Ontario out of Etobicoke Yacht Club. Prior 
to this boat I had a Niagara 26 WAVE WALKER that I sailed for 31 years. My son 
has taken ownership of it now. 





I am still getting used to her but I think the boat sails extremely well. I 
have made a number of changes to the running rigging, having everything coming 
back to the cockpit. I sail mainly short handed and do a lot of single handed 
racing. My goal this year is to do the Lake Ontario 300 single handed with 
spinnaker. 





The biggest change I am making over the winter is moving the traveler from the 
cabin top to the cockpit. I found that the mid boom sheeting could not trim the 
main properly. With a loose footed main, the boom would bend and not tighten 
the leach. I will let you all know if it works. I will keep the original 
traveler on the cabin top just in case. 





Mac McKenzie 


1983 C&C 37 Worthy Pearl 



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Stus-List great weather for canada

[Jimmy Kelly]

sailing yesterday in sidney bay wind never reached over 16kts &temp dropped
about 330 in afternoon..we kept on move running with the wind..little
cooler upwind, but all in all great day for sidney bc...sailing in
january
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Re: Stus-List Edd's bikini request

[Jim Watts]

Edd, we're a little concerned about you.


On 4 January 2014 10:41, Tom B  wrote:

> Dude...You do NOT want to see me in a bikini!
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> The Game Attorney PC
> 888-848-GLAW
> Skype - thombusc
>
> > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:09 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 13:01:51 -0500
> > From: Edd Schillay 
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting
> > Message-ID: 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >
> > Listers,
> >
> >I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here have
> bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it?s mounted? I took
> mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put it
> on again.
> >
> >
> >All the best,
> >
> >Edd
> >
> >
> >Edd M. Schillay
> >Starship Enterprise
> >C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> >City Island, NY
> >Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> >
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Re: Stus-List Edd's bikini request

[j...@svpaws.net]

It's going to be tough and I doubt you'll get a ton of shade.  If memory serves 
the 37+ Is much like the 34+ with its long low boom.  Similar story on our 121. 
 All we could fit was a single panel (2 bow).  Still, a little shade is better 
than no shade.  Of course, if you're talking bikinis you probably don't want 
more than 2 bows anyway.

John


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> On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Tom B  wrote:
> 
> Dude...You do NOT want to see me in a bikini!
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> The Game Attorney PC
> 888-848-GLAW
> Skype - thombusc
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:09 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 13:01:51 -0500
>> From: Edd Schillay 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>>   I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here have 
>> bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it?s mounted? I took 
>> mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put it 
>> on again. 
>> 
>> 
>>   All the best,
>> 
>>   Edd
>> 
>> 
>>   Edd M. Schillay
>>   Starship Enterprise
>>   C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>>   City Island, NY 
>>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

[Pete Shelquist]

This is the best entry to this list. ever.  

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd
Schillay
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

 

Listers,

 

I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here
have bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it's mounted? I
took mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put
it on again. 




All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
 

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

[Frederick G Street]

Edd — if you have to ask how a bikini is mounted…   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

p.s. — stop boasting about great winter sailing, you guys; forecast HIGH temp 
for Minneapolis on Monday is -13F / -25C, not counting significant windchill… 
this winter has been a bitch...



On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Pete Shelquist  wrote:

> This is the best entry to this list… ever. 
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd 
> Schillay
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting
>  
> Listers,
>  
> I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here 
> have bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it’s mounted? I 
> took mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put 
> it on again. 
> 
>
> All the best,
>  
> Edd
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 reverse performance

[Michael Brown]

The reverse performance on Windburn was fairly bad for the first 30 - 60 
seconds. The PO had the gearbox
adjusted and was told everything was good, that it was an known issue on Atomic 
4s.

The fix was switching the engine oil to Castrol 4 stroke motorcycle oil 
compatible with a wet clutch. After a
couple of oil changes forward and reverse work well after about 2 seconds in 
gear, and after a motor in
in forward reverse works well. I dock bow in, and previously giving a quick 
blast in reverse did little to
stop us.

The transmission and clutches on the Paragon gearbox are bathed in engine oil. 
Some of the newer motor
oils have friction modifiers added that seem to work very well preventing the 
clutches from grabbing. I guess
after a short period of time the pressure forces the thin film out and the 
clutch works. The original spec
for engine oil did not require the friction modifiers, doubt they even existed, 
so the Castrol is a good choice.

No idea if you have the same issue but I can get up to speed in reverse in 
about 1 boat length enough to
have good steerage. If you are taking a bit of a run at it does it feel like 
you are not getting solid power for
a few seconds?

Michael Brown
Windburn C&C 30-1


 
> Another trick I use with the 30-1, (which is really crappy when backing - - - 
> what with the offset prop). My old slip was on a narrow channel and I backed 
> the boat in - start down the channel going backwards - get a little speed up 
> and > drive it like a car, facing backwards. Seems to work pretty well, and 
> can be stopped with a little blast of forward. When I docked before, I would 
> go up the channel, stop and then try to back in - didn't have enough way on 
> to get > effective rudder control. If I back in from a distance, the rudder 
> is already doing its job. 
 

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Stus-List Tethers

[Robert Abbott]

Haven't used a jackline and tether recently but when we did we would run 
a flat, nylon jackline fore and aft outside the shrouds..no 
unhooking at the mast, or anywhere along the way.moving up and down 
the deck, all conditions, high or windward side, involved crouching 
while moving and holding the tether pulled taunt in one hand, the other 
hand moving on the top life line.simple, effective and safe.


Don't get into the habit of unhooking and hooking at the mastno need 
tomight do it if I was wearing two(2) tethers to stay hooked on at 
all times but why bother.  Unhooked at the mast, in big wind, at night, 
with a wet deck.nope, I will crawl up and down the deck holding on 
as best I can.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2014/01/03 4:43 PM, David Knecht wrote:
This reminds me of a comment in Practical Sailor recently about 
tethers and jacklines.  The writer was a climber as well as sailor and 
was making the point that deck level jacklines were a bad idea for a 
variety of reasons.  He argued the jackline/tether should be at chest 
height.  I have not used jacklines yet (just got a set), but I also 
presume that if fixed at bow and cockpit, they will tend to bow 
outward significantly if stressed near the mast.  So putting this 
thought together with dwight's idea for padeyes on the mast for the 
Cunningham, I am wondering if it would make more sense to run the 
jackline through that padeye and knot it then continue with the free 
end to the cockpit.  That creates two shorter jacklines at waist to 
chest height, which should bow much less, not get underfoot and tend 
to keep you upright rather than pulling down on you.  You would have 
to unhook and rehook to go to the bow, but most times I would be going 
forward it would be to the mast, not the bow.  Thoughts?  Dave


On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Ken Rodmell > wrote:



Tethers
*Don't go overboard
*
The latest advice on the list re tethers may save my life in the 
future. I've unwisely seldom worn a harness with tether while single 
handing and I'll bet many other listers have not either, especially 
in benign conditions.


This year, I won't go out without!  I'm also going to try to convince 
some of my pals to do all they can to stay on the boat.


Thanks for the great advice, Atoine's in particular was especially 
graphic and convincing.


Ken Rodmell
Lotus C&C 35 Mk II
Toronto

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Re: Stus-List Edd's bikini request

[Edd Schillay]

Sheesh… A Mac auto-correct and everyone has a field day….. I remember back in 
the 90’s whenever I typed “Clinton” it auto-corrected to “Klingon.”

And yes, Tom, we’d ALL like to see a pic of you in a bikini. Might even go 
viral.

Yes — I dug the frame out of my father’s garage after its 8.5-year hibernation 
and it was two bars. I just can’t remember how it was mounted, especially since 
the backstay is between them. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log




On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:01 PM, j...@svpaws.net wrote:

It's going to be tough and I doubt you'll get a ton of shade.  If memory serves 
the 37+ Is much like the 34+ with its long low boom.  Similar story on our 121. 
 All we could fit was a single panel (2 bow).  Still, a little shade is better 
than no shade.  Of course, if you're talking bikinis you probably don't want 
more than 2 bows anyway.

John


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Tom B  wrote:
> 
> Dude...You do NOT want to see me in a bikini!
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> The Game Attorney PC
> 888-848-GLAW
> Skype - thombusc
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:09 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 13:01:51 -0500
>> From: Edd Schillay 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>>  I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here have 
>> bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it?s mounted? I took 
>> mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put it 
>> on again. 
>> 
>> 
>>  All the best,
>> 
>>  Edd
>> 
>> 
>>  Edd M. Schillay
>>  Starship Enterprise
>>  C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>>  City Island, NY 
>>  Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
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Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

[Robert Abbott]

Edd,

We know what you meant (bikini) but stay tuned for some 
'abuse'.remember it is all in good fun!


Check out any sites that might have a boat like yours for sale to see if 
they have a bimini.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


On 2014/01/04 3:11 PM, Frederick G Street wrote:

Edd --- if you have to ask how a bikini is mounted...   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

p.s. --- stop boasting about great winter sailing, you guys; forecast 
HIGH temp for Minneapolis on Monday is -13F / -25C, not counting 
significant windchill... this winter has been a bitch...




On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Pete Shelquist > wrote:



This is the best entry to this list... ever.
*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]*On Behalf 
Of*Edd Schillay

*Sent:*Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 PM
*To:*cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Subject:*Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting
Listers,
I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here have 
bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it's mounted? I 
took mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking 
to put it on again.


All the best,
Edd



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Re: Stus-List 30-1 reverse performance

[Gary Nylander]

No, it's not a matter of the thrust, I am OK with that. It is just at low 
speeds the boat doesn't respond to small inputs of throttle. You have to have 
some water flowing past the rudder and keel. I've got the Yanmar and a 
Flex-o-fold prop, there is no problem with thrust.

I sympathize with your slippery clutch problem. Years ago, I was racing a 
Porsche 911 and got a little sponsorship from RedLine Oil. Good stuff, it 
really helped the engine. But, they gave me some gear oil and it was a 
disaster. Porsche gearboxes use a friction ring for the synchros. The RedLine 
was so good that the friction rings would not get the next gear up to speed 
when shifting. Had to go back to regular gear oil.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Michael Brown 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 2:20 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 reverse performance


  The reverse performance on Windburn was fairly bad for the first 30 - 60 
seconds. The PO had the gearbox
  adjusted and was told everything was good, that it was an known issue on 
Atomic 4s.

  The fix was switching the engine oil to Castrol 4 stroke motorcycle oil 
compatible with a wet clutch. After a
  couple of oil changes forward and reverse work well after about 2 seconds in 
gear, and after a motor in
  in forward reverse works well. I dock bow in, and previously giving a quick 
blast in reverse did little to
  stop us.

  The transmission and clutches on the Paragon gearbox are bathed in engine 
oil. Some of the newer motor
  oils have friction modifiers added that seem to work very well preventing the 
clutches from grabbing. I guess
  after a short period of time the pressure forces the thin film out and the 
clutch works. The original spec
  for engine oil did not require the friction modifiers, doubt they even 
existed, so the Castrol is a good choice.

  No idea if you have the same issue but I can get up to speed in reverse in 
about 1 boat length enough to
  have good steerage. If you are taking a bit of a run at it does it feel like 
you are not getting solid power for
  a few seconds?

  Michael Brown
  Windburn C&C 30-1




> Another trick I use with the 30-1, (which is really crappy when backing - 
- - what with the offset prop). My old slip was on a narrow channel and I 
backed the boat in - start down the channel going backwards - get a little 
speed up and > drive it like a car, facing backwards. Seems to work pretty 
well, and can be stopped with a little blast of forward. When I docked before, 
I would go up the channel, stop and then try to back in - didn't have enough 
way on to get 
> effective rudder control. If I back in from a distance, the rudder is 
already doing its job. 





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Re: Stus-List Edd's bikini request

[j...@svpaws.net]

Do you still have the canvas for it?  If so, just take it down to the boat and 
it will quickly become apparent.  Most likely mounted off the stern pulpit with 
straps somewhere forward.  If you're going down this road you may as well do it 
right.  Add a few bars aft to the transom for support (double as handholds 
boarding) and some solar panel mounts (eliminate straps leading forward).

Yep, a response with no bikini reference.

John

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:
> 
> Sheesh… A Mac auto-correct and everyone has a field day….. I remember back in 
> the 90’s whenever I typed “Clinton” it auto-corrected to “Klingon.”
> 
> And yes, Tom, we’d ALL like to see a pic of you in a bikini. Might even go 
> viral.
> 
> Yes — I dug the frame out of my father’s garage after its 8.5-year 
> hibernation and it was two bars. I just can’t remember how it was mounted, 
> especially since the backstay is between them. 
> 
>   
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd
> 
> 
>   Edd M. Schillay
>   Starship Enterprise
>   C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>   City Island, NY 
>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:01 PM, j...@svpaws.net wrote:
> 
> It's going to be tough and I doubt you'll get a ton of shade.  If memory 
> serves the 37+ Is much like the 34+ with its long low boom.  Similar story on 
> our 121.  All we could fit was a single panel (2 bow).  Still, a little shade 
> is better than no shade.  Of course, if you're talking bikinis you probably 
> don't want more than 2 bows anyway.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Tom B  wrote:
>> 
>> Dude...You do NOT want to see me in a bikini!
>> 
>> Tom Buscaglia
>> The Game Attorney PC
>> 888-848-GLAW
>> Skype - thombusc
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:09 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 13:01:51 -0500
>>> From: Edd Schillay 
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting
>>> Message-ID: 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> 
>>>  I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here have 
>>> bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it?s mounted? I took 
>>> mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put it 
>>> on again. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  All the best,
>>> 
>>>  Edd
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Edd M. Schillay
>>>  Starship Enterprise
>>>  C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>>>  City Island, NY 
>>>  Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
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Re: Stus-List single handing

[Curtis]

Thanks Dwight,
The topping lift I don't use. I have that mechanical vang. So the topping
lift is usually just loosely tied. Unfortunately where I sail "Beaufort SC"
we don't have  much wind.Only if a front is passing through.  I use the
rear winch for dock line just because it was what I've always done? My rear
cleat is close to the winch I could use the cleat while at the dock and the
winch when visiting other peers and docks.
I'm still learning this business. March will be my second full year as a
owner.

Thanks a gain for all the great advice.
Curtis.




On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:31 AM, dwight  wrote:

>  Curt
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing the photos.  Something that I noticed is that your
> docking lines appear to be fastened to your winches…I recommend that you
> consider using an aft cleat for the stern lines (similar to how you have
> the bow line) and midship attachment (to the toe rail for example) for
> *separate* fore and aft spring lines.  It might make a difference if
> conditions get unexpectedly rough at the marina. Also I believe your
> topping lift might work better and be more out of the way if it were
> connected to the very aft end of the boom. I notice you have a 4:1 purchase
> on the main sheet; if you find the sail hard to trim close hauled in
> heavier air you could easily increase that to 5:1 if the fiddle block on
> your boom had a becket like this one:
>
>
>
> http://ca.binnacle.com/p4288/HARKEN-FIDDLE-BLOCK-W/BECKET/product_info.html
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *
> Curtis
> *Sent:* January 4, 2014 1:15 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List single handing
>
>
>
> My finger has the wind predominantly out of the south or off the stern.
> but sometime it blows me into the dock. I also have the pleasure of the South
> Carolina ripping tides of from 7 to 9 feet per cycle. So first of all I
> have learned to pick my battles. If it is to harsh I tie up at the face
> dock til the lull tide. If I have an outgoing tide I can do it up to mid
> tide if there is no wind to deal with. I can manage to crab it in the birth
> with the current off the nose. I keep a 8 foot ling over the rear winch and
> a bow line and a amidship spring line. I get the nose in and I got it. I do
> ask for help if its a harsh day. Otherwize I have no trouble. It is worth
> just picking a day for a short in and out of the slip practice. Maybe I
> plan an afternoon day sail but get there way early prep the boat and ease
> her out and swing in" calibrate the wind vane or the electronic compass.
> then birth her and wate for the guest to show and take her out again.
> Practice, Practice,Practice. I'm new to all of this but learning fast.
>
> Thanks to all you guys and your help I may not bounce off any of the guys
> boats in the marina.
>
>
>
> Cheers. Curt
>
>
>
>
> http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s31/LTGoshen/New%20Bimini%20Nov%202013/20131031_180302_zpsb64aa2f6.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Chuck S  wrote:
>
> Agree about dockside help.  Many times a powerboater not used to pointy
> boats, will pull my sailboat's bowline too tight to the finger.  Last year,
> A 20 year veteran boatyard worker helped me to tie up.  I had all my lines
> coiled at the gate and was motoring in neutral into a slip with a slight
> headwind, keeping steerageway and planning to give her a slight burst of
> reverse after I got inside the outer pilings.  I asked the guy to take the
> bowline as it came in reach and before I knew it he tied it tight to a
> cleat midway on the float, and before I could do anything the bow was
> pulled to the side and the hull pulled into the finger.  I jumped onto the
> float and stopped the boat but not before the hull ahead of my fenders was
> gouged  by a sharp edge of a plank.  I asked why he didn't allow the boat
> to fully enter the slip and why tie to the wrong cleat?  He said wasn't
> aware of my ability and he didn't think I could stop the boat and he was
> used to 70 foot Viking Yachts that have so much power they can destroy the
> dock.  He meant well.  We're still friends, but now I only hand out a
> midship line when people want to help.  If they pull on that too hard, the
> fenders will protect the hull.
>
>
>
> Chuck
> *Resolute*
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Atlantic City, NJ
>  --
>
> *From: *"Bill Bina" 
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent: *Friday, January 3, 2014 8:10:13 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List single handing
>
> I actually don't like strangers assisting me in docking. We haven't
> rehearsed together, and that makes for surprises that I can do without.
> The other tip, is that although you don't want to come in too fast, most
> botched dockings I see are caused by going so slow that steerage and
> lift on the keel becomes weak or lacking. When entering my slip, I'm
> traveling downstream, usually with a crosswind. I have to move faster

Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

[Joel Aronson]

I thought he was dressing as Uehuru (sp?).

Joel

On Saturday, January 4, 2014, Robert Abbott wrote:

>  Edd,
>
> We know what you meant (bikini) but stay tuned for some
> 'abuse'.remember it is all in good fun!
>
> Check out any sites that might have a boat like yours for sale to see if
> they have a bimini.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
> On 2014/01/04 3:11 PM, Frederick G Street wrote:
>
> Edd — if you have to ask how a bikini is mounted…   :^)
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
>  p.s. — stop boasting about great winter sailing, you guys; forecast HIGH
> temp for Minneapolis on Monday is -13F / -25C, not counting significant
> windchill… this winter has been a bitch...
>
>
>
>  On Jan 4, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Pete Shelquist 
> wrote:
>
>   This is the best entry to this list… ever.
>
>
>  *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Edd
> Schillay
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting
>
> Listers,
>
>  I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on
> here have bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it’s
> mounted? I took mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am
> looking to put it on again.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

[dwight]

I agree Rich, mounting a bikini is a private sort of thing; otherwise I have
a wealth of experience, the question is, should I share it with this bunch

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Knowles
Sent: January 4, 2014 2:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

 

Mounting a bikini is beyond the scope of this chat group. Please see sailing
anarchy. 

Rich


On Jan 4, 2014, at 14:01, Edd Schillay  > wrote:

Listers,

 

I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here
have bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it's mounted? I
took mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put
it on again. 






All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship   Enterprise's
Captain's Log

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

[Andrew Burton]

Dwight, in a word, no. How you mount your bikini is a private matter. Not that 
there's anything wrong with that.

By the way, don't we all have too much time on our hands this cold, northern 
Saturday!

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

On Jan 4, 2014, at 16:33, "dwight"  wrote:

> I agree Rich, mounting a bikini is a private sort of thing; otherwise I have 
> a wealth of experience, the question is, should I share it with this bunch
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich 
> Knowles
> Sent: January 4, 2014 2:44 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting
>  
> Mounting a bikini is beyond the scope of this chat group. Please see sailing 
> anarchy. 
> 
> Rich
> 
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 14:01, Edd Schillay  > wrote:
> 
>> Listers,
>>  
>> I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here 
>> have bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it’s mounted? I 
>> took mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put 
>> it on again. 
>> 
>>
>> All the best,
>>  
>> Edd
>>  
>>  
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY 
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
>>  
>>  
>> 
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Re: Stus-List great weather for canada

[dwight]

Take it easy on that for a while please, no rubbing it in.we got snow,
frozen coves and a beautiful winter in progress.I love enjoying all the
seasons, that's why I am here where we have them all despite what others may
argue.I call it a good way of living that I would not trade for year round
sailing on the wet west coast, ever!!!

 

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Sent: January 4, 2014 2:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List great weather for canada

 

sailing yesterday in sidney bay wind never reached over 16kts &temp dropped
about 330 in afternoon..we kept on move running with the wind..little cooler
upwind, but all in all great day for sidney bc...sailing in january

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Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

[Rich Knowles]

Ya might as well. Every bit of shared experience is worth the price of admission

Rich

> On Jan 4, 2014, at 17:33, "dwight"  wrote:
> 
> I agree Rich, mounting a bikini is a private sort of thing; otherwise I have 
> a wealth of experience, the question is, should I share it with this bunch
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich 
> Knowles
> Sent: January 4, 2014 2:44 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting
>  
> Mounting a bikini is beyond the scope of this chat group. Please see sailing 
> anarchy. 
> 
> Rich
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 14:01, Edd Schillay  > wrote:
>> Listers,
>>  
>> I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here 
>> have bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it’s mounted? I 
>> took mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put 
>> it on again. 
>> 
>>
>> All the best,
>>  
>> Edd
>>  
>>  
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

[Graham Collins]

I'm going to need some Romulan Ale to get these images out of my 
mind...  Curse you Edd!!!


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2014-01-04 5:41 PM, Andrew Burton wrote:
Dwight, in a word, no. How you mount your bikini is a private matter. 
Not that there's anything wrong with that.


By the way, don't we all have too much time on our hands this cold, 
northern Saturday!


Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
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On Jan 4, 2014, at 16:33, "dwight" > wrote:


I agree Rich, mounting a bikini is a private sort of thing; otherwise 
I have a wealth of experience, the question is, should I share it 
with this bunch




*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Rich Knowles

*Sent:* January 4, 2014 2:44 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

Mounting a bikini is beyond the scope of this chat group. Please see 
sailing anarchy.


Rich


On Jan 4, 2014, at 14:01, Edd Schillay  > wrote:


Listers,

I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here 
have bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it's 
mounted? I took mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 
and am looking to put it on again.



All the best,

Edd

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 

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Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

[dwight]

Graham

 

That blue Romulan stuff doesn't look that good but maybe it does the trick
well, sort of like "blue eyed blondes", now you got a better image for your
dreams

 

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Collins
Sent: January 4, 2014 5:54 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

 

I'm going to need some Romulan Ale to get these images out of my mind...
Curse you Edd!!!



Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2014-01-04 5:41 PM, Andrew Burton wrote:

Dwight, in a word, no. How you mount your bikini is a private matter. Not
that there's anything wrong with that.

 

By the way, don't we all have too much time on our hands this cold, northern
Saturday!

 

Andy

C&C 40

Peregrine

Andrew Burton 

61 W Narragansett

Newport, RI 

USA02840

 

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 

+401 965-5260


On Jan 4, 2014, at 16:33, "dwight"  wrote:

I agree Rich, mounting a bikini is a private sort of thing; otherwise I have
a wealth of experience, the question is, should I share it with this bunch

 


  _  


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Knowles
Sent: January 4, 2014 2:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

 

Mounting a bikini is beyond the scope of this chat group. Please see sailing
anarchy. 

Rich


On Jan 4, 2014, at 14:01, Edd Schillay  > wrote:

Listers,

 

I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here
have bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it's mounted? I
took mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put
it on again. 






All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship   Enterprise's
Captain's Log

 

 

 

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Stus-List Fwd: Fwd: a good read

[Patrick H. Wesley]

I meant to say " if I was in trouble but not in immediate danger."

On Friday, January 3, 2014, Patrick H. Wesley wrote:

> Quite a story. However, I'm puzzled, if I had a man overboard I'd call
> Mayday, if the engine failed and I was in danger I'd call Pan Pan? Patrick
>
> On Friday, January 3, 2014, Harry Hallgring wrote:
>
>> This story was sent to me today...somewhat related to the tether thread...
>>
>> A Speck in the Sea - 
>> NYTimes.com
>>
>>
>> Harry
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

[coltrek]

Lotta ammo there. This is what we live for. 
Thanks Edd.

Wild Bill

 Original message From: Pete Shelquist 
 Date:01/04/2014  2:02 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ 
Bimini Mounting 
This is the best entry to this list… ever. 
 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting
 
Listers,
 
    I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here 
have bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it’s mounted? I took 
mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put it on 
again. 

   
    All the best,
 
    Edd
 
 
    Edd M. Schillay
    Starship Enterprise
    C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
    City Island, NY 
    Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
 
 

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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Fwd: a good read

[Rick Brass]

Mayday is how you call for help in a life threatening situation. (M'aidez =
French for "Help me") I do suppose the pilot of a Coast Guard Jayhawk that
was going down would use it, too.

 

Pahn. Pahn. Pahn. Is how you ask for help if it is not life threatening. Say
you run aground. Having an engine failure on a sailboat is not an emergency,
it's an inconvenience.  

 

I did hear some Duffus call a Mayday last summer, and then say he was out of
fuel. When the Coasties asked for a description of the boat, his response
was "a 32 foot sailboat". After a long silent pause, the Coastie asked"
Captain, uh, what exactly was your distress again?"

 

The USCG uses Pahn. Pahn. To announce potentially life threatening
situations to other boaters in the area, usually with a "be on the lookout"
or "any vessel having further information about" message following the
announcement.

 

Securite. Is what both you and the Coast Guard use to advise anyone of
safety related information like a missing navigation mark or a bridge closed
during a spell of high wind.

 

I recall thinking the writer of the article must be a boater because he used
the Pahn, Pahn correctly, since it was sent out by the USCG SAR controller
on the radio.

 

Rick Brass

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
H. Wesley
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 5:47 PM
To: cnc-list
Subject: Stus-List Fwd: Fwd: a good read

 

I meant to say " if I was in trouble but not in immediate danger."

On Friday, January 3, 2014, Patrick H. Wesley wrote:

Quite a story. However, I'm puzzled, if I had a man overboard I'd call
Mayday, if the engine failed and I was in danger I'd call Pan Pan? Patrick 

On Friday, January 3, 2014, Harry Hallgring wrote:

This story was sent to me today...somewhat related to the tether thread...

 

A Speck in the Sea - NYTimes.com
 

 

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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Fwd: a good read

[Rich Knowles]

A few years back a competitor crossed the finish line of the 360 nm Marblehead 
to Halifax Ocean Race, dropped his sails and radioed the club for a tow for the 
last few miles to the club. He said he was out of fuel and only had his racing 
sails on board. We apologized and said the club tender was busy standing by. 

Rich


> On Jan 4, 2014, at 20:44, "Rick Brass"  wrote:
> 
> I did hear some Duffus call a Mayday last summer, and then say he was out of 
> fuel. When the Coasties asked for a description of the boat, his response was 
> “a 32 foot sailboat”. After a long silent pause, the Coastie asked” Captain, 
> uh, what exactly was your distress again?”
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Re: Stus-List Tethers

[jmckay533]

I do a 42 kt mile solo race on lake huron and run the lines over the jib sheets 
and inside the shrouds so I can get by the head sail easily




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 Original message 
From: Robert Abbott  
Date: 01-04-2014  2:23 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Tethers 
 
Haven't used a jackline and tether recently but when we did we would run a 
flat, nylon jackline fore and aft outside the shrouds..no unhooking at the 
mast, or anywhere along the way.moving up and down the deck, all 
conditions, high or windward side, involved crouching while moving and holding 
the tether pulled taunt in one hand, the other hand moving on the top life 
line.simple, effective and safe.

Don't get into the habit of unhooking and hooking at the mastno need 
tomight do it if I was wearing two(2) tethers to stay hooked on at all 
times but why bother.  Unhooked at the mast, in big wind, at night, with a wet 
deck.nope, I will crawl up and down the deck holding on as best I can.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2014/01/03 4:43 PM, David Knecht wrote:
This reminds me of a comment in Practical Sailor recently about tethers and 
jacklines.  The writer was a climber as well as sailor and was making the point 
that deck level jacklines were a bad idea for a variety of reasons.  He argued 
the jackline/tether should be at chest height.  I have not used jacklines yet 
(just got a set), but I also presume that if fixed at bow and cockpit, they 
will tend to bow outward significantly if stressed near the mast.  So putting 
this thought together with dwight’s idea for padeyes on the mast for the 
Cunningham, I am wondering if it would make more sense to run the jackline 
through that padeye and knot it then continue with the free end to the cockpit. 
 That creates two shorter jacklines at waist to chest height, which should bow 
much less, not get underfoot and tend to keep you upright rather than pulling 
down on you.  You would have to unhook and rehook to go to the bow, but most 
times I would be going forward it would be to the mast, not the bow.  Thoughts? 
 Dave

On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Ken Rodmell  wrote:

Don’t go overboard

The latest advice on the list re tethers may save my life in the future. I’ve 
unwisely seldom worn a harness with tether while single handing and I’ll bet 
many other listers have not either, especially in benign conditions.

This year, I won’t go out without!  I’m also going to try to convince some of 
my pals to do all they can to stay on the boat. 

Thanks for the great advice, Atoine’s in particular was especially graphic and 
convincing.

Ken Rodmell
Lotus C&C 35 Mk II 
Toronto

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Re: Stus-List 8 degree on Long Island - Victory!

[Marek Dziedzic]

 8 degrees (I assume F) would be considered quite balmy here. It was -25 C
(~-15F) this morning. This winter might even kill off the emerald ash borer
larvae that are killing our trees.

Marek (in Ottawa)
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 21:41:28 -0500
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Subject: Stus-List 8 degree on Long Island - Victory!
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So when we bought Paws earlier this year she was infested with ants.  By the
end of the season we had them on the run but not completely eradicated.  Now
it's 8 degrees outside and the boat is on the hard.  Normal people are
complaining about the weather.  I'm just smiling and thinking - got the
little bastards.

John


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Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting

[Joe Della Barba]

Do you REALLY want to see how I mount a bikini?

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On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:56 PM, coltrek  wrote:

> Lotta ammo there. This is what we live for. 
> Thanks Edd.
> 
> Wild Bill
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Pete Shelquist
> Date:01/04/2014 2:02 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting
> 
> This is the best entry to this list… ever. 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd 
> Schillay
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List C&C 37+ Bimini Mounting
> 
>  
> 
> Listers,
> 
>  
> 
> I know this is a long shot, but do any of the 37+ owners on here 
> have bikinis and, if so, do you have any photos as to how it’s mounted? I 
> took mine off the Enterprise when I bought her in 2005 and am looking to put 
> it on again. 
> 
> 
>
> 
> All the best,
> 
>  
> 
> Edd
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> 
> Starship Enterprise
> 
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> 
> City Island, NY 
> 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> 
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Stus-List Mooring or Slip for 2014 season

[Chuck S]

Hi listers, 
I'm looking to find a different mooring or slip for 2014 and hope East Coast 
listers can make recommendations. 
Looking to stay between 3 to 5 hours from home, Mays Landing, NJ so somewhere 
between Washington DC and Mystic Conn. 
Hoping to race singlehanded or doublehanded a few times. 
Boat draws 6' 3". 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
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