Re: Stus-List New Halyards for teh 38MKII

[Jake Brodersen]

Tim,

 

5/16" may be a bit small for the current rope clutches to hold onto.  I
generally run 3/8" hi-tech line and have been happy with it holding in the
clutches.  I know it's a bit of overkill, but it works.  My ancient Schaefer
clutches still work well.  If I went to a smaller halyard, I might have to
add a cover to it where it goes through the clutches.

 

Back from Screwpile and still catching up with the list. 

 

Jake

 

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

   

cid:image001.png@01CE3D06.5A990940

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Goodyear
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Halyards for teh 38MKII

 

I just got 5/16 Endura Braid (SK75 Dyneema) for my main halyard from
Defender @ $350 including splices and shackle - I have a smaller boat, but I
am happy with how its working.  Jib halyards are 5/16 Ultra Tech (Technora
core - similar to Kevlar) and I am pretty happy with their performance too.
We raced in 18-20 last weekend and no issues once adjusted to wind speed.
You may not want to step down to 5/16, but you probably don't need 7/16 and
3/8 is fine for handling.

 

Tim

Mojito

C&C 35-3

Branford, CT

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Ron Casciato 
wrote:

 

Group:

 

I am considering replacing my 7/16" "low stretch" (NER) halyards for both
main and Jib with something that is "no stretch"..

 

We raced last Wednesday in 22-25kts and both the Main and Jib stretched so
as to make the jib trim really edgy.  The Cunningham made up the difference
in the main, but we finally broke the jib shackle and had to route a spare
in a hurry..

 

We recovered OK, but I think better halyards are in order. 

 

The big problem is the "sticker shock" for Dyneema or similar material
two halyards using Dyneema SK90 estimated cost is near $1000.  

 

Has anyone faced this issue and how did you resolve it.  Anyone have any
suggestions on "reasonable priced" high tech line?

 

Thanks,  Ron C.

Impromptu

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Re: Stus-List Sailing Sunglasses Recommendations

[Jake Brodersen]

Rick,

 

I agree with you.  The transition lenses never get dark enough, especially when 
in a car or when wearing a hat.  Every time I go below and come back topside, 
the instant brightness kills me.  It takes a couple of minutes for  them to 
readjust.  I should consider leaving them topside when I go below….

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

   

cid:image001.png@01CE3D06.5A990940

 

 

 

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Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 5:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sailing Sunglasses Recommendations

 

Transition lenses don’t work well in the sunny south. The pair I had never got 
dark enough to  deal with the bright sunshine, or the glare – even though the 
grade of transition lens I bought was supposed to be made for that purpose..

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 3:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sailing Sunglasses Recommendations

 

If you wear prescription glasses, get transition lenses with an anti-reflective 
coating.  I've been using them for years, and they work great.

Alan Bergen
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

 

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Re: Stus-List 33tep rebuild

[Stevan Plavsa]

Search for the following in google, or variations of:

mast step rebuild site:cnc-list.com

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mark G  wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Maybe Stu or another lister can provide better help, but here's what I
> know about searching older posts:
>
> There doesn't seem to be a direct link to the archives for this list.  To
> get to the archives, go to the photo album home page www.cncphotoalbum.com
> .
>
> In the upper left corner click "home".
>
> Scroll down and click the link to "subscribe now" as if to subscribe to
> this list.
>
> Near the top is a link to the "CnC-List archives".
>
> I don't believe there is a way to search the entire archives.  You have to
> click each month and scan through the subjects.  However, I can tell you
> from experience that the contents of this list comes up occasionally in
> Google searches.
>
> Mark
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: andrew rothweiler **
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 12:34:32 - (UTC)
> Subject: Stus-List 33tep rebuild
>
> Thank you for the responses and info about the 33-2 potential mast step
> rebuild.  A previous contributer was mentioned, who described his first
> hand experience with this issue, and the related cost.
> Is there a way to search older posts to try to locate this post?
>
> Do you think that if a boat does not exihibit this mast step problem right
> now (if that what the survey shows when it's done in the next week or so),
> that the problem could still occur in the future? Or is it a case in which
> if the problem hasn't shown up by now, this particular boat will likely not
> have the problem later?
>
> Thank you again for your help and courtesy.
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Re: Stus-List Engine swap out.

[Jake Brodersen]

I agree with Joel, use the mounts from the new Yanmar.  They work well and
are easy to adjust.  

 

Jake

 

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

   

cid:image001.png@01CE3D06.5A990940

 

 

 

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Curtis  wrote:

I start the process today of swapping out the 33 year old 2gm 13 raw water
cooled with the 1984 2GM20F fresh water cooled.

I have 2 differnt engine mounts one set on the engine I'm pulling out and
one set that hangs on the new engine I purchased on e-bay? What is the
better set. Please follow the link to see the photos an let me know your
opinions.

Thanks Capt, Burt


http://www.sailnet.com/forums/diesel-engine-forum/101423-engine-swap-will-wo
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Re: Stus-List Congrats

[Jake Brodersen]

Joel,

 

We had enough of a lead in the series we didn't even need to sail the last
race, but I'd never do that.  The last course was set in the mouth of the
Patuxent River.  The current and wind were pretty squirrelly.  The current
charts were useless, as they would show the current flowing in both
directions at the same time near the same spot.  We had to rely on our own
observations of the current.  There weren't many crab pots to use either (go
figure, the one time I need them).

 

We had a great time at the regatta, although participation was way down from
last year.  I hope to see more entries next year.  For once, we had good
wind on all three days.  That's a rarity on the Chesapeake in July.

 

Jake

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Congrats

 

Jake and Pat Brodersen continued their winning ways, taking first place in
the Screwpile regatta with 5 firsts, a 2nd and a meaningless 4th in the last
race.

 

 

Way to go!!


 

-- 
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Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands

[Stevan Plavsa]

Hi All,

This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers from
other Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor along
the way and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of. We've
only done overnights at other clubs thus far. We do have the ports cruising
guide.

A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the entire
cruise for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but they are out
of date, not sure how much of a big deal that is, he didn't seem to think
it was a big deal at all.

We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain and
another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either so any
gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I have a few books that I've
studied so I understand these things in principle .. no better way to learn
than by doing so we're going for it. August 10 to 26 is the time we have
booked off which means that we're starting this thing during the Perseid
Meteor shower .. I really want to do on an overnight passage with my
girlfriend, say from Toronto to Cobourg or something like that so that we
can enjoy the meteor shower out on the lake. I'm a sucker for that annual
meteor shower and haven't gotten to enjoy it in years. I know enough to
avoid the shipping lanes other than that an overnight on the lake seems
pretty straightforward.

Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome.

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips

[Bill Bina]

I would suggest that if you have little or no experience anchoring, you 
go out and practice a little somewhere near home when you are not tired 
and the sun is shining. It isn't rocket science, but now is the time to 
get familiar with it, rather than at the end of a long day in a strange 
harbor. Someone who has anchored 5 or 10 times knows about 1000 times 
more than someone who has read instructions. You may discover small 
details that only apply to YOUR equipment. Do you need a bungee cord 
kept in the anchor locker to hold the lid open while you work? Are you 
ready with a full bucket of water when you retrieve a chain and anchor 
coated with sticky mud?  I have a plastic scrub bucket with about 10 
feet of line tied to the handle, so I can toss it over the side to fill 
it up, and quickly refill it as needed. I also carry a kellet, and I 
never go to sleep without deploying it. I also hit the MOB on my GPS 
precisely when the anchor gets dropped to the bottom, and never turn it 
off. As the boat swings at anchor, I can tell at a glance if I remain 
the same distance relative to where the anchor lies. It slowly draws a 
welcome smile on the screen.


Bill Bina

On 7/25/2013 9:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

Hi All,

This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers 
from other Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to 
anchor along the way and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to 
be aware of. We've only done overnights at other clubs thus far. We do 
have the ports cruising guide.


A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the 
entire cruise for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but 
they are out of date, not sure how much of a big deal that is, he 
didn't seem to think it was a big deal at all.


We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain 
and another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either 
so any gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I have a few 
books that I've studied so I understand these things in principle .. 
no better way to learn than by doing so we're going for it. August 10 
to 26 is the time we have booked off which means that we're starting 
this thing during the Perseid Meteor shower .. I really want to do on 
an overnight passage with my girlfriend, say from Toronto to Cobourg 
or something like that so that we can enjoy the meteor shower out on 
the lake. I'm a sucker for that annual meteor shower and haven't 
gotten to enjoy it in years. I know enough to avoid the shipping lanes 
other than that an overnight on the lake seems pretty straightforward.


Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome.

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips

[Joel Aronson]

There are a number of apps for smartphones that will alert you if you are
dragging anchor.  Drag Queen wins for its name alone!

I'm a relative novice when it comes to anchoring, but I learned quickly
that its not enough to drop the hook and pay out the line.  You need to set
the anchor by tying off the line and backing down fairly hard to be sure it
is set.

Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Bill Bina  wrote:

>  I would suggest that if you have little or no experience anchoring, you
> go out and practice a little somewhere near home when you are not tired and
> the sun is shining. It isn't rocket science, but now is the time to get
> familiar with it, rather than at the end of a long day in a strange harbor.
> Someone who has anchored 5 or 10 times knows about 1000 times more than
> someone who has read instructions. You may discover small details that only
> apply to YOUR equipment. Do you need a bungee cord kept in the anchor
> locker to hold the lid open while you work? Are you ready with a full
> bucket of water when you retrieve a chain and anchor coated with sticky
> mud?  I have a plastic scrub bucket with about 10 feet of line tied to the
> handle, so I can toss it over the side to fill it up, and quickly refill it
> as needed. I also carry a kellet, and I never go to sleep without deploying
> it. I also hit the MOB on my GPS precisely when the anchor gets dropped to
> the bottom, and never turn it off. As the boat swings at anchor, I can tell
> at a glance if I remain the same distance relative to where the anchor
> lies. It slowly draws a welcome smile on the screen.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 7/25/2013 9:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
>  This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers
> from other Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor
> along the way and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of.
> We've only done overnights at other clubs thus far. We do have the ports
> cruising guide.
>
>  A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the entire
> cruise for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but they are out
> of date, not sure how much of a big deal that is, he didn't seem to think
> it was a big deal at all.
>
>  We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain and
> another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either so any
> gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I have a few books that I've
> studied so I understand these things in principle .. no better way to learn
> than by doing so we're going for it. August 10 to 26 is the time we have
> booked off which means that we're starting this thing during the Perseid
> Meteor shower .. I really want to do on an overnight passage with my
> girlfriend, say from Toronto to Cobourg or something like that so that we
> can enjoy the meteor shower out on the lake. I'm a sucker for that annual
> meteor shower and haven't gotten to enjoy it in years. I know enough to
> avoid the shipping lanes other than that an overnight on the lake seems
> pretty straightforward.
>
>  Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome.
>
>  Thanks,
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips

[Stevan Plavsa]

Those are some great tips Bill, thanks!
Yes, I have been planning on anchoring off of Toronto Island all summer,
just for this reason but haven't yet. We've got some time still and are
committed to practicing before we leave for the trip. I've done it on
another boat, just not mine, and only for lunch breaks (CYA basic).


And another question I forgot to ask originally:

We did our ROCM this past fall and we were told that we need a station
license if we're going to be venturing into American waters. We like the
idea of coming home along the US side of the Lake but are concerned about
this and looking at the government website I think it's likely too late to
apply for a station license, we'd never get it in time. My question then
is, is this a big deal? Other sailors have told me that they had no idea
about that rule.

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Bill Bina  wrote:

>  I would suggest that if you have little or no experience anchoring, you
> go out and practice a little somewhere near home when you are not tired and
> the sun is shining. It isn't rocket science, but now is the time to get
> familiar with it, rather than at the end of a long day in a strange harbor.
> Someone who has anchored 5 or 10 times knows about 1000 times more than
> someone who has read instructions. You may discover small details that only
> apply to YOUR equipment. Do you need a bungee cord kept in the anchor
> locker to hold the lid open while you work? Are you ready with a full
> bucket of water when you retrieve a chain and anchor coated with sticky
> mud?  I have a plastic scrub bucket with about 10 feet of line tied to the
> handle, so I can toss it over the side to fill it up, and quickly refill it
> as needed. I also carry a kellet, and I never go to sleep without deploying
> it. I also hit the MOB on my GPS precisely when the anchor gets dropped to
> the bottom, and never turn it off. As the boat swings at anchor, I can tell
> at a glance if I remain the same distance relative to where the anchor
> lies. It slowly draws a welcome smile on the screen.
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 7/25/2013 9:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
>  This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers
> from other Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor
> along the way and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of.
> We've only done overnights at other clubs thus far. We do have the ports
> cruising guide.
>
>  A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the entire
> cruise for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but they are out
> of date, not sure how much of a big deal that is, he didn't seem to think
> it was a big deal at all.
>
>  We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain and
> another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either so any
> gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I have a few books that I've
> studied so I understand these things in principle .. no better way to learn
> than by doing so we're going for it. August 10 to 26 is the time we have
> booked off which means that we're starting this thing during the Perseid
> Meteor shower .. I really want to do on an overnight passage with my
> girlfriend, say from Toronto to Cobourg or something like that so that we
> can enjoy the meteor shower out on the lake. I'm a sucker for that annual
> meteor shower and haven't gotten to enjoy it in years. I know enough to
> avoid the shipping lanes other than that an overnight on the lake seems
> pretty straightforward.
>
>  Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome.
>
>  Thanks,
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands

[Dennis C.]

Stevan,

The most common mistake novice anchorers make is to not include the height of 
the bow in the calculation of scope. For instance if it is 3 feet from the 
water to your bow chock and you are anchoring in 20 feet of water, multiply 
your desired scope by 20 + 3.  So if you want 5:1 scope, it would be 5 x 23 or 
115 feet at the bow chock. 

Once you've set the hook, back down HARD and watch an object in the water to 
see if you are dragging. 

If your GPS has an anchor alarm (most do), set it and relax. 

Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers from 
> other Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor along 
> the way and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of. We've 
> only done overnights at other clubs thus far. We do have the ports cruising 
> guide.
> 
> A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the entire 
> cruise for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but they are out of 
> date, not sure how much of a big deal that is, he didn't seem to think it was 
> a big deal at all. 
> 
> We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain and 
> another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either so any 
> gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I have a few books that I've 
> studied so I understand these things in principle .. no better way to learn 
> than by doing so we're going for it. August 10 to 26 is the time we have 
> booked off which means that we're starting this thing during the Perseid 
> Meteor shower .. I really want to do on an overnight passage with my 
> girlfriend, say from Toronto to Cobourg or something like that so that we can 
> enjoy the meteor shower out on the lake. I'm a sucker for that annual meteor 
> shower and haven't gotten to enjoy it in years. I know enough to avoid the 
> shipping lanes other than that an overnight on the lake seems pretty 
> straightforward.
> 
> Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome.
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
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Re: Stus-List New Halyards for teh 38MKII

[Tim Goodyear]

I forgot to say that I changed out my rope clutches at the same time - the
previous ones were great at chewing up new halyards...  Congrats on the
races!

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Jake Brodersen wrote:

>  Tim,
>
> ** **
>
> 5/16” may be a bit small for the current rope clutches to hold onto.  I
> generally run 3/8” hi-tech line and have been happy with it holding in the
> clutches.  I know it’s a bit of overkill, but it works.  My ancient
> Schaefer clutches still work well.  If I went to a smaller halyard, I might
> have to add a cover to it where it goes through the clutches.
>
> ** **
>
> Back from Screwpile and still catching up with the list… 
>
> ** **
>
> Jake
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *C&C 35 Mk-III*
>
> *Midnight Mistress*
>
> *Hampton VA*
>
> *   *
>
> [image: cid:image001.png@01CE3D06.5A990940]**
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim
> Goodyear
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:06 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List New Halyards for teh 38MKII
>
> ** **
>
> I just got 5/16 Endura Braid (SK75 Dyneema) for my main halyard from
> Defender @ $350 including splices and shackle - I have a smaller boat, but
> I am happy with how its working.  Jib halyards are 5/16 Ultra Tech
> (Technora core - similar to Kevlar) and I am pretty happy with their
> performance too.  We raced in 18-20 last weekend and no issues once
> adjusted to wind speed.  You may not want to step down to 5/16, but you
> probably don't need 7/16 and 3/8 is fine for handling.
>
>  
>
> Tim
>
> Mojito
>
> C&C 35-3
>
> Branford, CT
>
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Ron Casciato 
> wrote:
>
>  
>
> Group:
>
>  
>
> I am considering replacing my 7/16” “low stretch” (NER) halyards for both
> main and Jib with something that is “no stretch”….
>
>  
>
> We raced last Wednesday in 22-25kts and both the Main and Jib stretched so
> as to make the jib trim really edgy.  The Cunningham made up the difference
> in the main, but we finally broke the jib shackle and had to route a spare
> in a hurry….
>
>  
>
> We recovered OK, but I think better halyards are in order. 
>
>  
>
> The big problem is the “sticker shock” for Dyneema or similar
> material……..  two halyards using Dyneema SK90 estimated cost is near
> $1000.  
>
>  
>
> Has anyone faced this issue and how did you resolve it.  Anyone have any
> suggestions on “reasonable priced” high tech line?
>
>  
>
> Thanks,  Ron C.
>
> Impromptu
>
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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands

[Andrew Burton]

The operative phrase being "after you've set the anchor." Don't back down
hard until it's dug in a bit. I often see people drop their hook then rev
the engine in reverse and back through the anchorage dragging the anchor
along the bottom.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Dennis C.  wrote:

> Stevan,
>
> The most common mistake novice anchorers make is to not include the height
> of the bow in the calculation of scope. For instance if it is 3 feet from
> the water to your bow chock and you are anchoring in 20 feet of water,
> multiply your desired scope by 20 + 3.  So if you want 5:1 scope, it would
> be 5 x 23 or 115 feet at the bow chock.
>
> Once you've set the hook, back down HARD and watch an object in the water
> to see if you are dragging.
>
> If your GPS has an anchor alarm (most do), set it and relax.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 25, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers
> from other Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor
> along the way and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of.
> We've only done overnights at other clubs thus far. We do have the ports
> cruising guide.
> >
> > A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the entire
> cruise for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but they are out
> of date, not sure how much of a big deal that is, he didn't seem to think
> it was a big deal at all.
> >
> > We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain and
> another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either so any
> gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I have a few books that I've
> studied so I understand these things in principle .. no better way to learn
> than by doing so we're going for it. August 10 to 26 is the time we have
> booked off which means that we're starting this thing during the Perseid
> Meteor shower .. I really want to do on an overnight passage with my
> girlfriend, say from Toronto to Cobourg or something like that so that we
> can enjoy the meteor shower out on the lake. I'm a sucker for that annual
> meteor shower and haven't gotten to enjoy it in years. I know enough to
> avoid the shipping lanes other than that an overnight on the lake seems
> pretty straightforward.
> >
> > Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
> > Suhana, C&C 32
> > Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips

[Bill Bina]

There is a major problem with relying on most anchor alarms. If you have 
100 feet of rode out and set the alarm for 100-150 feet, the alarm will 
give many false positives all night long as you swing around. If you 
have 100 feet out and set it to 200 feet to allow for a full circle, you 
may drag 100 feet without the alarm sounding. The only anchor alarms 
worth a damn are ones that allow you to draw a picture of a ring around 
your targeted area, and if you go outside of that ring, it goes off, but 
ignores any movements within that boundary.


There really is no substitute for waking up periodically, and making 
sure everything is okay. Being abruptly woken by an alarm, real or 
false, is not conducive to clear assesment of the actual situation.


A kellet adds a lot of security, and peace of mind for very minimal effort.

Bill Bina


There are a number of apps for smartphones that will alert you if you 
are dragging anchor.  Drag Queen wins for its name alone!


I'm a relative novice when it comes to anchoring, but I learned quickly 
that its not enough to drop the hook and pay out the line.  You need to 
set the anchor by tying off the line and backing down fairly hard to be 
sure it is set.


Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Bill Bina > wrote:


   I would suggest that if you have little or no experience anchoring,
   you go out and practice a little somewhere near home when you are
   not tired and the sun is shining. It isn't rocket science, but now
   is the time to get familiar with it, rather than at the end of a
   long day in a strange harbor. Someone who has anchored 5 or 10 times
   knows about 1000 times more than someone who has read instructions.
   You may discover small details that only apply to YOUR equipment. Do
   you need a bungee cord kept in the anchor locker to hold the lid
   open while you work? Are you ready with a full bucket of water when
   you retrieve a chain and anchor coated with sticky mud?  I have a
   plastic scrub bucket with about 10 feet of line tied to the handle,
   so I can toss it over the side to fill it up, and quickly refill it
   as needed. I also carry a kellet, and I never go to sleep without
   deploying it. I also hit the MOB on my GPS precisely when the anchor
   gets dropped to the bottom, and never turn it off. As the boat
   swings at anchor, I can tell at a glance if I remain the same
   distance relative to where the anchor lies. It slowly draws a
   welcome smile on the screen.

   Bill Bina

   On 7/25/2013 9:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

Hi All,

This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some
pointers from other Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on
places to anchor along the way and clubs to stay at, places to
avoid, things to be aware of. We've only done overnights at other
clubs thus far. We do have the ports cruising guide.

A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the
entire cruise for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$)
but they are out of date, not sure how much of a big deal that is,
he didn't seem to think it was a big deal at all.

We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of
chain and another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the
hook either so any gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I
have a few books that I've studied so I understand these things in
principle .. no better way to learn than by doing so we're going
for it. August 10 to 26 is the time we have booked off which means
that we're starting this thing during the Perseid Meteor shower ..
I really want to do on an overnight passage with my girlfriend,
say from Toronto to Cobourg or something like that so that we can
enjoy the meteor shower out on the lake. I'm a sucker for that
annual meteor shower and haven't gotten to enjoy it in years. I
know enough to avoid the shipping lanes other than that an
overnight on the lake seems pretty straightforward.

Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome.

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips

[Andrew Burton]

I like using a kellet, too.
One thing I do since I use iNav on my iPad is to make sure the tracking is
turned on, then zoom in all the way on the chart after we're in position.
An arc of lines will show my track as we swing at the hook. If there is a
single line leading to our position from the arc, then I know we've
dragged. I keep the iPad next to my bunk where I can look at it when I wake
up. I also echo the suggestion that you write down a number of bearings so
you can check your position visually, if necessary.

A useful technique when choosing a spot in a crowded anchorage is to drop
your hook right behind a boat already anchored. Then drop back on your
scope. You should find you're a comfortable distance off.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Bill Bina  wrote:

>  There is a major problem with relying on most anchor alarms. If you have
> 100 feet of rode out and set the alarm for 100-150 feet, the alarm will
> give many false positives all night long as you swing around. If you have
> 100 feet out and set it to 200 feet to allow for a full circle, you may
> drag 100 feet without the alarm sounding. The only anchor alarms worth a
> damn are ones that allow you to draw a picture of a ring around your
> targeted area, and if you go outside of that ring, it goes off, but ignores
> any movements within that boundary.
>
> There really is no substitute for waking up periodically, and making sure
> everything is okay. Being abruptly woken by an alarm, real or false, is not
> conducive to clear assesment of the actual situation.
>
> A kellet adds a lot of security, and peace of mind for very minimal
> effort.
>
> Bill Bina
>
>
> There are a number of apps for smartphones that will alert you if you are
> dragging anchor.  Drag Queen wins for its name alone!
>
>  I'm a relative novice when it comes to anchoring, but I learned quickly
> that its not enough to drop the hook and pay out the line.  You need to set
> the anchor by tying off the line and backing down fairly hard to be sure it
> is set.
>
>  Joel
> 35/3
> The Office
> Annapolis
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Bill Bina  wrote:
>
>>  I would suggest that if you have little or no experience anchoring, you
>> go out and practice a little somewhere near home when you are not tired and
>> the sun is shining. It isn't rocket science, but now is the time to get
>> familiar with it, rather than at the end of a long day in a strange harbor.
>> Someone who has anchored 5 or 10 times knows about 1000 times more than
>> someone who has read instructions. You may discover small details that only
>> apply to YOUR equipment. Do you need a bungee cord kept in the anchor
>> locker to hold the lid open while you work? Are you ready with a full
>> bucket of water when you retrieve a chain and anchor coated with sticky
>> mud?  I have a plastic scrub bucket with about 10 feet of line tied to the
>> handle, so I can toss it over the side to fill it up, and quickly refill it
>> as needed. I also carry a kellet, and I never go to sleep without deploying
>> it. I also hit the MOB on my GPS precisely when the anchor gets dropped to
>> the bottom, and never turn it off. As the boat swings at anchor, I can tell
>> at a glance if I remain the same distance relative to where the anchor
>> lies. It slowly draws a welcome smile on the screen.
>>
>> Bill Bina
>>
>> On 7/25/2013 9:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>  This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers
>> from other Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor
>> along the way and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of.
>> We've only done overnights at other clubs thus far. We do have the ports
>> cruising guide.
>>
>>  A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the
>> entire cruise for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but they
>> are out of date, not sure how much of a big deal that is, he didn't seem to
>> think it was a big deal at all.
>>
>>  We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain
>> and another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either so
>> any gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I have a few books that
>> I've studied so I understand these things in principle .. no better way to
>> learn than by doing so we're going for it. August 10 to 26 is the time we
>> have booked off which means that we're starting this thing during the
>> Perseid Meteor shower .. I really want to do on an overnight passage with
>> my girlfriend, say from Toronto to Cobourg or something like that so that
>> we can enjoy the meteor shower out on the lake. I'm a sucker for that
>> annual meteor shower and haven't gotten to enjoy it in years. I know enough
>> to avoid the shipping lanes other than that an overnight on the lake seems
>> pretty straightforward.
>>
>>  Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome.
>>
>>  Thanks,
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C&C 32

Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips

[David Risch]

Coupla more items;

-First in time, first in right.  If not sure is you are too close ask.   

-Conversely do not be afraid to speak up about a boat anchoring too close after 
you are set.  

-Feel the road under pressure (reverse).  You can feel an anchor dragging.   

-plot a course out of anchorage in case of midnight exitm

-as in all things sailing if the situation (weather, other boats, holding 
ground) does not feel right, change strategies during daylight instead of 
during a melee in the wee hours of the morning. 

  David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 cell

-Original Message-
From: Bill Bina 
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:28:51 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips


There is a major problem with relying on most anchor alarms. If you have 100 
feet of rode out and set the alarm for 100-150 feet, the alarm will give many 
false positives all night long as you swing around. If you have 100 feet out 
and set it to 200 feet to allow for a full circle, you may drag 100 feet 
without the alarm sounding. The only anchor alarms worth a damn are ones that 
allow you to draw a picture of a ring around your targeted area, and if you go 
outside of that ring, it goes off, but ignores any movements within that 
boundary. 
 
 There really is no substitute for waking up periodically, and making sure 
everything is okay. Being abruptly woken by an alarm, real or false, is not 
conducive to clear assesment of the actual situation. 
 
 A kellet adds a lot of security, and peace of mind for very minimal effort. 
 
 Bill Bina 
 
 
 There are a number of apps for smartphones that will alert you if you are 
dragging anchor.  Drag Queen wins for its name alone! 

 
I'm a relative novice when it comes to anchoring, but I learned quickly that 
its not enough to drop the hook and pay out the line.  You need to set the 
anchor by tying off the line and backing down fairly hard to be sure it is set. 

 
Joel 
35/3 
The Office 
Annapolis 

 
 
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Bill Bina mailto:billb...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
 
 
I would suggest that if you have little or no experience anchoring, you go out 
and practice a little somewhere near home when you are not tired and the sun is 
shining. It isn't rocket science, but now is the time to get familiar with it, 
rather than at the end of a long day in a strange harbor. Someone who has 
anchored 5 or 10 times knows about 1000 times more than someone who has read 
instructions. You may discover small details that only apply to YOUR equipment. 
Do you need a bungee cord kept in the anchor locker to hold the lid open while 
you work? Are you ready with a full bucket of water when you retrieve a chain 
and anchor coated with sticky mud?  I have a plastic scrub bucket with about 10 
feet of line tied to the handle, so I can toss it over the side to fill it up, 
and quickly refill it as needed. I also carry a kellet, and I never go to sleep 
without deploying it. I also hit the MOB on my GPS precisely when the anchor 
gets dropped to the bottom, and never turn it off. As the boat swings at 
anchor, I can tell at a glance if I remain the same distance relative to where 
the anchor lies. It slowly draws a welcome smile on the screen. 
 
 Bill Bina
 
 On 7/25/2013 9:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
 
Hi All, 

 
This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers from other 
Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor along the way 
and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of. We've only done 
overnights at other clubs thus far. We do have the ports cruising guide. 

 
A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the entire cruise 
for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but they are out of date, not 
sure how much of a big deal that is, he didn't seem to think it was a big deal 
at all.  

 
We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain and 
another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either so any 
gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I have a few books that I've 
studied so I understand these things in principle .. no better way to learn 
than by doing so we're going for it. August 10 to 26 is the time we have booked 
off which means that we're starting this thing during the Perseid Meteor shower 
.. I really want to do on an overnight passage with my girlfriend, say from 
Toronto to Cobourg or something like that so that we can enjoy the meteor 
shower out on the lake. I'm a sucker for that annual meteor shower and haven't 
gotten to enjoy it in years. I know enough to avoid the shipping lanes other 
than that an overnight on the lake seems pretty straightforward. 

 
Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome. 

 
Thanks, 
Steve 
Suhana, C&C 32 
Toronto 
 
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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands

[Stevan Plavsa]

You know, I always hesitate when asking really newbish/stupid questions
(anywhere, not just here) but I'm usually happy that I have. Some things
aren't obvious and even more experienced people don't know, because _they_
never asked. It's better to be underestimated than undereducated. The
former usually works out to one's advantage anyway.

Thanks for the continued replies and advice.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Andrew Burton
wrote:

> The operative phrase being "after you've set the anchor." Don't back down
> hard until it's dug in a bit. I often see people drop their hook then rev
> the engine in reverse and back through the anchorage dragging the anchor
> along the bottom.
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Dennis C.  wrote:
>
>> Stevan,
>>
>> The most common mistake novice anchorers make is to not include the
>> height of the bow in the calculation of scope. For instance if it is 3 feet
>> from the water to your bow chock and you are anchoring in 20 feet of water,
>> multiply your desired scope by 20 + 3.  So if you want 5:1 scope, it would
>> be 5 x 23 or 115 feet at the bow chock.
>>
>> Once you've set the hook, back down HARD and watch an object in the water
>> to see if you are dragging.
>>
>> If your GPS has an anchor alarm (most do), set it and relax.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers
>> from other Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor
>> along the way and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of.
>> We've only done overnights at other clubs thus far. We do have the ports
>> cruising guide.
>> >
>> > A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the
>> entire cruise for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but they
>> are out of date, not sure how much of a big deal that is, he didn't seem to
>> think it was a big deal at all.
>> >
>> > We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain
>> and another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either so
>> any gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I have a few books that
>> I've studied so I understand these things in principle .. no better way to
>> learn than by doing so we're going for it. August 10 to 26 is the time we
>> have booked off which means that we're starting this thing during the
>> Perseid Meteor shower .. I really want to do on an overnight passage with
>> my girlfriend, say from Toronto to Cobourg or something like that so that
>> we can enjoy the meteor shower out on the lake. I'm a sucker for that
>> annual meteor shower and haven't gotten to enjoy it in years. I know enough
>> to avoid the shipping lanes other than that an overnight on the lake seems
>> pretty straightforward.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Steve
>> > Suhana, C&C 32
>> > Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips

[Dennis C.]

In a new anchorage, I like to circle my spot to check for swing room. When 
anchoring off a beach, I go in close until I see minimum depth the make a hard 
U-turn. The hard turn leaves a swirl in the water. I move offshore using the 
swirl as a mark. Once I'm the desired distance from the swirl, I drop the hook. 

In a crowded anchorage, I mark my rode. I have a large orange round bumper with 
3-4 feet of line and a spring hook. Once anchored, I clip it to the rode and 
throw it out.  

Some boats mark the anchor.  I prefer to mark the rode. 

I had a party barge straddle the buoy once. There's no cure for stupid. 

Dennis C.



Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2013, at 9:44 AM, "David Risch "  wrote:

> Coupla more items;
> 
> -First in time, first in right.  If not sure is you are too close ask.   
> 
> -Conversely do not be afraid to speak up about a boat anchoring too close 
> after you are set.  
> 
> -Feel the road under pressure (reverse).  You can feel an anchor dragging.   
> 
> -plot a course out of anchorage in case of midnight exitm
> 
> -as in all things sailing if the situation (weather, other boats, holding 
> ground) does not feel right, change strategies during daylight instead of 
> during a melee in the wee hours of the morning. 
> 
>  David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 cell
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Bina 
> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:28:51 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips
> 
> 
> There is a major problem with relying on most anchor alarms. If you have 100 
> feet of rode out and set the alarm for 100-150 feet, the alarm will give many 
> false positives all night long as you swing around. If you have 100 feet out 
> and set it to 200 feet to allow for a full circle, you may drag 100 feet 
> without the alarm sounding. The only anchor alarms worth a damn are ones that 
> allow you to draw a picture of a ring around your targeted area, and if you 
> go outside of that ring, it goes off, but ignores any movements within that 
> boundary. 
> 
> There really is no substitute for waking up periodically, and making sure 
> everything is okay. Being abruptly woken by an alarm, real or false, is not 
> conducive to clear assesment of the actual situation. 
> 
> A kellet adds a lot of security, and peace of mind for very minimal effort. 
> 
> Bill Bina 
> 
> 
> There are a number of apps for smartphones that will alert you if you are 
> dragging anchor.  Drag Queen wins for its name alone! 
> 
> 
> I'm a relative novice when it comes to anchoring, but I learned quickly that 
> its not enough to drop the hook and pay out the line.  You need to set the 
> anchor by tying off the line and backing down fairly hard to be sure it is 
> set. 
> 
> 
> Joel 
> 35/3 
> The Office 
> Annapolis 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Bill Bina   > wrote:
> 
> 
> I would suggest that if you have little or no experience anchoring, you go 
> out and practice a little somewhere near home when you are not tired and the 
> sun is shining. It isn't rocket science, but now is the time to get familiar 
> with it, rather than at the end of a long day in a strange harbor. Someone 
> who has anchored 5 or 10 times knows about 1000 times more than someone who 
> has read instructions. You may discover small details that only apply to YOUR 
> equipment. Do you need a bungee cord kept in the anchor locker to hold the 
> lid open while you work? Are you ready with a full bucket of water when you 
> retrieve a chain and anchor coated with sticky mud?  I have a plastic scrub 
> bucket with about 10 feet of line tied to the handle, so I can toss it over 
> the side to fill it up, and quickly refill it as needed. I also carry a 
> kellet, and I never go to sleep without deploying it. I also hit the MOB on 
> my GPS precisely when the anchor gets dropped to the bottom, and never turn 
> it off. As 
 the boat swings at anchor, I can tell at a glance if I remain the same 
distance relative to where the anchor lies. It slowly draws a welcome smile on 
the screen. 
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
> On 7/25/2013 9:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
> 
> Hi All, 
> 
> 
> This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers from 
> other Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor along 
> the way and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of. We've 
> only done overnights at other clubs thus far. We do have the ports cruising 
> guide. 
> 
> 
> A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the entire 
> cruise for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but they are out of 
> date, not sure how much of a big deal that is, he didn't seem to think it was 
> a big deal at all.  
> 
> 
> We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain and 
> another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either so any 
> go

Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands

[Andrew Burton]

One thing about anchoring: it's a technique. It's not rocket surgery. Don't
be intimidated by it.
And don't be afraid to re-anchor if you're not happy with your holding or
position. Some skippers are concerned about looking foolish if they have to
make a second (or sixth) attempt. The experienced skipper isn't afraid to
go around again.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

> You know, I always hesitate when asking really newbish/stupid questions
> (anywhere, not just here) but I'm usually happy that I have. Some things
> aren't obvious and even more experienced people don't know, because _they_
> never asked. It's better to be underestimated than undereducated. The
> former usually works out to one's advantage anyway.
>
> Thanks for the continued replies and advice.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Andrew Burton  > wrote:
>
>> The operative phrase being "after you've set the anchor." Don't back down
>> hard until it's dug in a bit. I often see people drop their hook then rev
>> the engine in reverse and back through the anchorage dragging the anchor
>> along the bottom.
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Dennis C.  wrote:
>>
>>> Stevan,
>>>
>>> The most common mistake novice anchorers make is to not include the
>>> height of the bow in the calculation of scope. For instance if it is 3 feet
>>> from the water to your bow chock and you are anchoring in 20 feet of water,
>>> multiply your desired scope by 20 + 3.  So if you want 5:1 scope, it would
>>> be 5 x 23 or 115 feet at the bow chock.
>>>
>>> Once you've set the hook, back down HARD and watch an object in the
>>> water to see if you are dragging.
>>>
>>> If your GPS has an anchor alarm (most do), set it and relax.
>>>
>>> Dennis C.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi All,
>>> >
>>> > This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers
>>> from other Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor
>>> along the way and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of.
>>> We've only done overnights at other clubs thus far. We do have the ports
>>> cruising guide.
>>> >
>>> > A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the
>>> entire cruise for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but they
>>> are out of date, not sure how much of a big deal that is, he didn't seem to
>>> think it was a big deal at all.
>>> >
>>> > We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain
>>> and another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either so
>>> any gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I have a few books that
>>> I've studied so I understand these things in principle .. no better way to
>>> learn than by doing so we're going for it. August 10 to 26 is the time we
>>> have booked off which means that we're starting this thing during the
>>> Perseid Meteor shower .. I really want to do on an overnight passage with
>>> my girlfriend, say from Toronto to Cobourg or something like that so that
>>> we can enjoy the meteor shower out on the lake. I'm a sucker for that
>>> annual meteor shower and haven't gotten to enjoy it in years. I know enough
>>> to avoid the shipping lanes other than that an overnight on the lake seems
>>> pretty straightforward.
>>> >
>>> > Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Steve
>>> > Suhana, C&C 32
>>> > Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands

[Joel Aronson]

Steve,

Unlike Sailing Anarchy and other forums, here you are among friends!  Ask
away!

Joel


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Andrew Burton
wrote:

> One thing about anchoring: it's a technique. It's not rocket surgery.
> Don't be intimidated by it.
> And don't be afraid to re-anchor if you're not happy with your holding or
> position. Some skippers are concerned about looking foolish if they have to
> make a second (or sixth) attempt. The experienced skipper isn't afraid to
> go around again.
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
>
>> You know, I always hesitate when asking really newbish/stupid questions
>> (anywhere, not just here) but I'm usually happy that I have. Some things
>> aren't obvious and even more experienced people don't know, because _they_
>> never asked. It's better to be underestimated than undereducated. The
>> former usually works out to one's advantage anyway.
>>
>> Thanks for the continued replies and advice.
>>
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C&C 32
>> Toronto
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Andrew Burton <
>> a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The operative phrase being "after you've set the anchor." Don't back
>>> down hard until it's dug in a bit. I often see people drop their hook then
>>> rev the engine in reverse and back through the anchorage dragging the
>>> anchor along the bottom.
>>> Andy
>>> C&C 40
>>> Peregrine
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Dennis C.  wrote:
>>>
 Stevan,

 The most common mistake novice anchorers make is to not include the
 height of the bow in the calculation of scope. For instance if it is 3 feet
 from the water to your bow chock and you are anchoring in 20 feet of water,
 multiply your desired scope by 20 + 3.  So if you want 5:1 scope, it would
 be 5 x 23 or 115 feet at the bow chock.

 Once you've set the hook, back down HARD and watch an object in the
 water to see if you are dragging.

 If your GPS has an anchor alarm (most do), set it and relax.

 Dennis C.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 25, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa 
 wrote:

 > Hi All,
 >
 > This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers
 from other Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor
 along the way and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of.
 We've only done overnights at other clubs thus far. We do have the ports
 cruising guide.
 >
 > A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the
 entire cruise for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but they
 are out of date, not sure how much of a big deal that is, he didn't seem to
 think it was a big deal at all.
 >
 > We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain
 and another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either so
 any gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I have a few books that
 I've studied so I understand these things in principle .. no better way to
 learn than by doing so we're going for it. August 10 to 26 is the time we
 have booked off which means that we're starting this thing during the
 Perseid Meteor shower .. I really want to do on an overnight passage with
 my girlfriend, say from Toronto to Cobourg or something like that so that
 we can enjoy the meteor shower out on the lake. I'm a sucker for that
 annual meteor shower and haven't gotten to enjoy it in years. I know enough
 to avoid the shipping lanes other than that an overnight on the lake seems
 pretty straightforward.
 >
 > Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome.
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Steve
 > Suhana, C&C 32
 > Toronto
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>>>
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands

[Woody Hamel]

Hi Steven,
Your not alone, and I think it's fair to say there are no bad questions. 
Frenchman's bay marina where I am has transient docking, and 2 nice restaurants 
close to the docks. If your here I would be happy to come down and say hi.  
Whitby is a nice harbour as well. Port of newcastle was a nice overnight they 
have a restaurant as well. It was shallow entry 2 years ago, we were ok in our 
26 but I did watch a 30 plus get stuck, and manage to free herself. That said 
the water is higher this year.
As a field biologist working coastal wetlands Belleville area should have some 
safe anchorages.  Prince edward county is amazing, and there should be some 
safe anchorages in the area, picton is a really nice town with docking at its 
door step. Kingston is also a great city! Wolf island should also have some 
safe anchorages, but does not have a lot going on in the way of restaurants etc.
Your trip sounds great! Have a great day everyone!
Cheers,
Woody
C&C 26 - Goldfinch
Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network.
Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell.

-Original Message-
From: Stevan Plavsa 
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:10:36 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands


You know, I always hesitate when asking really newbish/stupid questions 
(anywhere, not just here) but I'm usually happy that I have. Some things aren't 
obvious and even more experienced people don't know, because _they_ never 
asked. It's better to be underestimated than undereducated. The former usually 
works out to one's advantage anyway.
 

Thanks for the continued replies and advice.


Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Andrew Burton mailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 



The operative phrase being "after you've set the anchor." Don't back down hard 
until it's dug in a bit. I often see people drop their hook then rev the engine 
in reverse and back through the anchorage dragging the anchor along the bottom.
 Andy
C&C 40 
Peregrine






On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Dennis C. mailto:capt...@yahoo.com> > wrote:
 Stevan,
 
 The most common mistake novice anchorers make is to not include the height of 
the bow in the calculation of scope. For instance if it is 3 feet from the 
water to your bow chock and you are anchoring in 20 feet of water, multiply 
your desired scope by 20 + 3.  So if you want 5:1 scope, it would be 5 x 23 or 
115 feet at the bow chock.
 
 Once you've set the hook, back down HARD and watch an object in the water to 
see if you are dragging.
 
 If your GPS has an anchor alarm (most do), set it and relax.
 
 Dennis C.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 


 On Jul 25, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
 > Hi All,
 >
 > This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers from 
 > other Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor along 
 > the way and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of. We've 
 > only done overnights at other clubs thus far. We do have the ports cruising 
 > guide.
 >
 > A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the entire 
 > cruise for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but they are out of 
 > date, not sure how much of a big deal that is, he didn't seem to think it 
 > was a big deal at all.
 >
 > We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain and 
 > another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either so any 
 > gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I have a few books that I've 
 > studied so I understand these things in principle .. no better way to learn 
 > than by doing so we're going for it. August 10 to 26 is the time we have 
 > booked off which means that we're starting this thing during the Perseid 
 > Meteor shower .. I really want to do on an overnight passage with my 
 > girlfriend, say from Toronto to Cobourg or something like that so that we 
 > can enjoy the meteor shower out on the lake. I'm a sucker for that annual 
 > meteor shower and haven't gotten to enjoy it in years. I know enough to 
 > avoid the shipping lanes other than that an overnight on the lake seems 
 > pretty straightforward.
 >
 > Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome.
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Steve
 > Suhana, C&C 32
 > Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips

[dwight veinot]

Using a kellet is a good idea but I think also important when using a rope
rode is to have a good length of chain between the anchor and the rode.  On
a C&C 32 I would say that about 35 feet of 5/16 inch anchor chain would be
fine for most situations.  

 

I have best success in my favorite anchorages using a 15kg Bruce style
anchor and 35 feet of chain between it and the ¾ inch braid rode.  I had
about a 40% slip rate using a similar sized CQR and less chain which is why
I changed and now I carry a big CQR and a Big Danforth and extra rode up
under the V berth as spares which thankfully I have not had to use
yet...bottom conditions (sand, mud, rock) have a lot to do with holding and
some anchors perform better in some conditions that others.  I also carry
rubberized fisherman’s gloves to protect my hands when deploying and hauling
anchor.

 

I find that when my anchor is set well most times I will need to take in
slack and cleat the rode and power forward to get it to release when we are
ready to leave…oh windlass where art thou 

 

 

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Burton
Sent: July 25, 2013 11:37 AM
To: billb...@sbcglobal.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips

 

I like using a kellet, too. 

One thing I do since I use iNav on my iPad is to make sure the tracking is
turned on, then zoom in all the way on the chart after we're in position. An
arc of lines will show my track as we swing at the hook. If there is a
single line leading to our position from the arc, then I know we've dragged.
I keep the iPad next to my bunk where I can look at it when I wake up. I
also echo the suggestion that you write down a number of bearings so you can
check your position visually, if necessary.

A useful technique when choosing a spot in a crowded anchorage is to drop
your hook right behind a boat already anchored. Then drop back on your
scope. You should find you're a comfortable distance off.

Andy

C&C 40

Peregrine

 

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Bill Bina  wrote:

There is a major problem with relying on most anchor alarms. If you have 100
feet of rode out and set the alarm for 100-150 feet, the alarm will give
many false positives all night long as you swing around. If you have 100
feet out and set it to 200 feet to allow for a full circle, you may drag 100
feet without the alarm sounding. The only anchor alarms worth a damn are
ones that allow you to draw a picture of a ring around your targeted area,
and if you go outside of that ring, it goes off, but ignores any movements
within that boundary. 

There really is no substitute for waking up periodically, and making sure
everything is okay. Being abruptly woken by an alarm, real or false, is not
conducive to clear assesment of the actual situation. 

A kellet adds a lot of security, and peace of mind for very minimal effort. 

Bill Bina 



There are a number of apps for smartphones that will alert you if you are
dragging anchor.  Drag Queen wins for its name alone! 

 

I'm a relative novice when it comes to anchoring, but I learned quickly that
its not enough to drop the hook and pay out the line.  You need to set the
anchor by tying off the line and backing down fairly hard to be sure it is
set.

 

Joel

35/3

The Office

Annapolis

 

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Bill Bina  wrote:

I would suggest that if you have little or no experience anchoring, you go
out and practice a little somewhere near home when you are not tired and the
sun is shining. It isn't rocket science, but now is the time to get familiar
with it, rather than at the end of a long day in a strange harbor. Someone
who has anchored 5 or 10 times knows about 1000 times more than someone who
has read instructions. You may discover small details that only apply to
YOUR equipment. Do you need a bungee cord kept in the anchor locker to hold
the lid open while you work? Are you ready with a full bucket of water when
you retrieve a chain and anchor coated with sticky mud?  I have a plastic
scrub bucket with about 10 feet of line tied to the handle, so I can toss it
over the side to fill it up, and quickly refill it as needed. I also carry a
kellet, and I never go to sleep without deploying it. I also hit the MOB on
my GPS precisely when the anchor gets dropped to the bottom, and never turn
it off. As the boat swings at anchor, I can tell at a glance if I remain the
same distance relative to where the anchor lies. It slowly draws a welcome
smile on the screen. 

Bill Bina

On 7/25/2013 9:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

Hi All, 

 

This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers from
other Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor along
the way and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of. We've
only done overnights at other clubs thus far. We do ha

Stus-List iPads for Navigation & Data Usage

[Stevan Plavsa]

Hi All,

Andrew mentioned he uses his iPad and charting software when anchoring. I
wanted to know if one needed a data connection to use an iPad for
navigation and what software is most recommended. Is it Navionics? I'm
working with the understanding that the iPhone/iPad require a data
connection for their GPS to work.

I have a wifi/3g iPad with a SIM card and plan but there isn't a lot of
data, it's for "emergencies". I wonder about keeping it on while cruising
for navigation, if it's needed. I do have paper charts but want to use both
electronic and paper.

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List iPads for Navigation & Data Usage

[Joel Aronson]

Steve,

It will work as a standalone unit without wifi.  It uses the 3g antenna but
works without a signal.  There are lots of choices for charts (at least in
the states).  Not sure what's available for you.  My old navionics app does
not have an anchor alarm.  Don't know if the newer/more expensive app does.

Joel


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Andrew mentioned he uses his iPad and charting software when anchoring. I
> wanted to know if one needed a data connection to use an iPad for
> navigation and what software is most recommended. Is it Navionics? I'm
> working with the understanding that the iPhone/iPad require a data
> connection for their GPS to work.
>
> I have a wifi/3g iPad with a SIM card and plan but there isn't a lot of
> data, it's for "emergencies". I wonder about keeping it on while cruising
> for navigation, if it's needed. I do have paper charts but want to use both
> electronic and paper.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
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Re: Stus-List iPads for Navigation & Data Usage

[Stevan Plavsa]

My handheld GPS (Garmin 76c..something) has an anchor alarm. So far I've
only had to use it as a glorified knot meter. I also have a Google Nexus
and an iPhone. The iPhone has plenty of data but a small screen. The nexus
doesn't have data (wifi only) but does have GPS that _seems_ to work
without a data connection, I haven't taken it out on the boat yet but
intend to next time I go out. I have a free app put out recently by the
NOAA with all the free charts for Lake Ontario, unfortunately it's the US
waters only and only available on the Android. If the Android device works
well out on the lake I may purchase Navionics for it and forget about the
iPad altogether .. though the iPad has a bigger/nicer screen.

I admit to having a lot of gadget but I'm not "one of those guys", it's
just part of my trade.

...I guess that makes me one of those guys :/

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Joel Aronson wrote:

> Steve,
>
> It will work as a standalone unit without wifi.  It uses the 3g antenna
> but works without a signal.  There are lots of choices for charts (at least
> in the states).  Not sure what's available for you.  My old navionics app
> does not have an anchor alarm.  Don't know if the newer/more expensive app
> does.
>
> Joel
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Andrew mentioned he uses his iPad and charting software when anchoring. I
>> wanted to know if one needed a data connection to use an iPad for
>> navigation and what software is most recommended. Is it Navionics? I'm
>> working with the understanding that the iPhone/iPad require a data
>> connection for their GPS to work.
>>
>> I have a wifi/3g iPad with a SIM card and plan but there isn't a lot of
>> data, it's for "emergencies". I wonder about keeping it on while cruising
>> for navigation, if it's needed. I do have paper charts but want to use both
>> electronic and paper.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C&C 32
>> Toronto
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List iPads for Navigation & Data Usage

[Andrew Burton]

The iPad needs to have a cellar chip. The cellular data plan does not need
to be activated and it works well offshore. I'm using iNavX. I don't know
if they have a Canadian equivalent. For areas outside the US I use
Navionics. Both work very well and it's been a couple of years since I
actually placed the paper charts on the nav desk.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Andrew mentioned he uses his iPad and charting software when anchoring. I
> wanted to know if one needed a data connection to use an iPad for
> navigation and what software is most recommended. Is it Navionics? I'm
> working with the understanding that the iPhone/iPad require a data
> connection for their GPS to work.
>
> I have a wifi/3g iPad with a SIM card and plan but there isn't a lot of
> data, it's for "emergencies". I wonder about keeping it on while cruising
> for navigation, if it's needed. I do have paper charts but want to use both
> electronic and paper.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
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Stus-List St. Mary's Gov Cup

[Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR]

Any listers out there planning on racing the Gov Cup?

And are there any listers in the MD area who want to race with the good
ship Beyond the Sea? We've had two crew drop for schedule and sprained
back issues. So, any takers?  We can get you home on early Sunday
morning via car instead of boat.

And you only need to take 1 day off of work (Friday).

-Keith Morgenstern
C&C 35-mk3
S/V Beyond the Sea

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Stus-List Visiting Toronto

[Joseph Sisson]

Hello Toronto C&C Owners,

My name is Joseph Sisson and in March I posted on Stu's List my story of 
running aground with my recently acquired C&C 35 MK II (bought her last August).
Silent Runner remains on the hard in Gore Bay ON while I undertake the 
necessary repairs to the rudder, keel and hull.
I am visiting in Toronto until Saturday and would like to meet other C&C owners 
and have a look at your boat and how you have rigged her.
My goal is to rig my boat so that I can sail her single handed and be able to 
have all lines running back to the cockpit including reefing lines.

Can anyone recommend a good rigger in Toronto?

A couple of days ago I met Alex G. and he was kind enough to show me his boat 
(a 1974 35-2) and his ongoing restoration including re-powering the boat with 
an electric motor.
I was particularly interested in seeing his rebuilt rudder.

If you have time to meet with me and to show me your C&C I would be greatly 
appreciative.

Cheers,
Joseph Sisson
s/v Silent Runner
1975 C&C 35 MK II
Hull # 350


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Re: Stus-List iPads for Navigation & Data Usage

[Gomez, Jorge K]

Navionics HD is excellent in Canada and the Caribeean and there is no need for 
any network connectivity as long as the IPad is equipped with gps. Highly 
recomended. You need to buy the nav upgrade and enhanced map upgrade to get 
full usability but those are only $4.99 ea.

From: Andrew Burton [mailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 05:21 PM GMT Standard Time
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List iPads for Navigation & Data Usage

The iPad needs to have a cellar chip. The cellular data plan does not need to 
be activated and it works well offshore. I'm using iNavX. I don't know if they 
have a Canadian equivalent. For areas outside the US I use Navionics. Both work 
very well and it's been a couple of years since I actually placed the paper 
charts on the nav desk.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Stevan Plavsa 
mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi All,

Andrew mentioned he uses his iPad and charting software when anchoring. I 
wanted to know if one needed a data connection to use an iPad for navigation 
and what software is most recommended. Is it Navionics? I'm working with the 
understanding that the iPhone/iPad require a data connection for their GPS to 
work.

I have a wifi/3g iPad with a SIM card and plan but there isn't a lot of data, 
it's for "emergencies". I wonder about keeping it on while cruising for 
navigation, if it's needed. I do have paper charts but want to use both 
electronic and paper.

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


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Re: Stus-List iPads for Navigation & Data Usage

[Tim Goodyear]

Like Andy, I used iNavX for navigation use - NOAA charts (free) are
available for the US, and I purchased the Navionics charts for Americas
(two subscriptions that were about $16 each (iirc) for North / South
America).  They work well out of range of cell signals (but you need to
ensure your charts are downloaded first - on a WiFi connection if you want
to conserve your data plan).

I use a couple of other apps for the iPad:
Drag Queen - anchor monitor, but did raise some concern from my wife when
she saw the app on my phone
Boat Monitor - anchor watch that can text alarms to your phone if you leave
the iPad on the boat
Marine Traffic - online AIS system (does need data connection)
iRegatta Pro - just playing with this, but it is a pretty good racing app
for starts, laylines, shifts, performance to polars etc
WindAlert / Windfinder - wind forecasts

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Andrew Burton
wrote:

>   The iPad needs to have a cellar chip. The cellular data plan does not
> need to be activated and it works well offshore. I'm using iNavX. I don't
> know if they have a Canadian equivalent. For areas outside the US I use
> Navionics. Both work very well and it's been a couple of years since I
> actually placed the paper charts on the nav desk.
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
>  On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Stevan Plavsa 
> wrote:
>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> Andrew mentioned he uses his iPad and charting software when anchoring. I
>> wanted to know if one needed a data connection to use an iPad for
>> navigation and what software is most recommended. Is it Navionics? I'm
>> working with the understanding that the iPhone/iPad require a data
>> connection for their GPS to work.
>>
>> I have a wifi/3g iPad with a SIM card and plan but there isn't a lot of
>> data, it's for "emergencies". I wonder about keeping it on while cruising
>> for navigation, if it's needed. I do have paper charts but want to use both
>> electronic and paper.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C&C 32
>> Toronto
>>
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Re: Stus-List Visiting Toronto

[Stevan Plavsa]

Hi Joseph,

Sorry to hear about your running aground troubles. I'll be undertaking some
work (always am) on my 32, you're welcome to come have a gander. Boat is at
TS&CC (1391 Lakeshore Blvd West). Not sure when I'll be there but if you
send me your number I can text/phone you when I'm heading down.

Not sure however if you stand to learn anything from looking at my boat,
it's all stock.

Steve
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Toronto
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Re: Stus-List St. Mary's Gov Cup

[Joel Aronson]

Keith,

I'm doing non-spin on a BendyToy 39.  Look for me many hours after you
finish!  I can ask around if you like.  How skilled a person do you need?

Joel


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR <
keith.morgenst...@navy.mil> wrote:

> Any listers out there planning on racing the Gov Cup?
>
> And are there any listers in the MD area who want to race with the good
> ship Beyond the Sea? We've had two crew drop for schedule and sprained
> back issues. So, any takers?  We can get you home on early Sunday
> morning via car instead of boat.
>
> And you only need to take 1 day off of work (Friday).
>
> -Keith Morgenstern
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Re: Stus-List Congrats

[Mike Brannon]

Jake,   What current charts are you using for the Chesapeake?   

thanks,  

Mike
Virginia Lee 93295
C&C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 25, 2013, at 8:25, "Jake Brodersen"  wrote:

> Joel,
>  
> We had enough of a lead in the series we didn’t even need to sail the last 
> race, but I’d never do that.  The last course was set in the mouth of the 
> Patuxent River.  The current and wind were pretty squirrelly.  The current 
> charts were useless, as they would show the current flowing in both 
> directions at the same time near the same spot.  We had to rely on our own 
> observations of the current.  There weren’t many crab pots to use either (go 
> figure, the one time I need them).
>  
> We had a great time at the regatta, although participation was way down from 
> last year.  I hope to see more entries next year.  For once, we had good wind 
> on all three days.  That’s a rarity on the Chesapeake in July…
>  
> Jake
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
> Aronson
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:38 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Congrats
>  
> Jake and Pat Brodersen continued their winning ways, taking first place in 
> the Screwpile regatta with 5 firsts, a 2nd and a meaningless 4th in the last 
> race.
>  
>  
> Way to go!!
>  
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Re: Stus-List Beagle 35 mk1? Sail no 350

[Rick Brass]

Chris;

 

Right now I’m anchored in Eagle Cove northeast of Dobbins Island. Thought I 
would spend a couple of days exploring the Magothy on my way to the C&C 
Rendezvous at Corsica River Yacht Club this weekend.

 

Tom Vincent, Rich Bushie, and I have talked about rafting up for sundowners  
and a “get to know you” behind Dobbins Island on Friday evening. On Saturday 
we’ll do the Baltimore Light race (AKA CRYC Race Over) to the Chester River and 
end up at the CRYC for dinner and music, and to meet up with Joe Della Barba. 
The Baltimore Light Race wouldn’t happen to be the race your referred to, would 
it?

 

If you’re in the Magothy on Friday and would like to join the raftup, give me a 
shout on VHF 16 and I can tell you where we will be.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi -1976 C&C 38 mk1

252-946-2244

 

 

 

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:08 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Beagle 35 mk1? Sail no 350

 

Beagle's a Mk II and has raced very successfully on the Magothy for many years. 
Where are you staying on the Magothy? I'll be down there on Friday for a 
cruise/ race? through Monday. My boat is in Black Hole Creek.

Chris Price
Pradel 
35 Mk I

  _  

From: "Rick Brass" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:01:30 PM
Subject: Stus-List Beagle 35 mk1? Sail no 350

As I was sailing into the Magethy River this evening, I happened upon a
gaggle of boats maneuvering before the start of a Wednesday evening race. 

One of the boats was easily recognizable as a C&C 35 (I presume it was a Mk1
because it had no stars and daggers on the end of the cove stripes) using
sail number 350. I maneuvered to try to stay out of his way, but each time I
changed direction, he tacked and I was in the way again. The boat looked
awfully good during the start of the race.

If the owner is on the list, I want to apologize for the dance we did before
your start.

Rick Brass
Imzadi
C&C 38 mk1
Washington, NC

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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips

[Rick Brass]

The rule of thumb taught me by a wizened old Coast Guard chief about 30
years ago was: At least one pound of anchor and one foor of chain for every
foot of boat length.

 

In these litigious days I don't think they publish a guideline any more for
fear of being sued. But the old rule of thumb has always worked for me.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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veinot
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:28 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips

 

Using a kellet is a good idea but I think also important when using a rope
rode is to have a good length of chain between the anchor and the rode.  On
a C&C 32 I would say that about 35 feet of 5/16 inch anchor chain would be
fine for most situations.  

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Visiting Toronto

[Woody Hamel]

Hi Joseph,
I will also extend an invitation to see our boat, but it is only a 26, I would 
guess all stock, and we are in Frenchman's Bay pickering. Not sure what your 
schedule is or your transportation situation but if it works for you let me 
know.
Cheers,
Woody
C&C 26 - Goldfinch 
Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network.
Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell.

-Original Message-
From: Stevan Plavsa 
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 17:46:37 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Visiting Toronto



Hi Joseph,


Sorry to hear about your running aground troubles. I'll be undertaking some 
work (always am) on my 32, you're welcome to come have a gander. Boat is at 
TS&CC (1391 Lakeshore Blvd West). Not sure when I'll be there but if you send 
me your number I can text/phone you when I'm heading down. 


Not sure however if you stand to learn anything from looking at my boat, it's 
all stock.


Steve 
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto

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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands

[Allan Rheaume]

Hi Steve,
  Hope to see you in my home waters during your vacation. I can 
suggest taking the Murray Canal near Brighton while your heading east, nice 
scenery and good anchorages in more protected waters if your into that kind of 
thing. I'm at Prinyer's Cove, great bay for anchoring or a cozy small marina 
with pump out and power if you need, we're only 20 or so boats in there. If you 
decide to come from the outside route, take upper gap just west of Amherst 
Island and head west about 2 miles to get to the Cove.

Allan Rheaume
Drumroll 30-2 #90





 From: Stevan Plavsa 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:10:00 AM
Subject: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands
 


Hi All,

This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers from other 
Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor along the way 
and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of. We've only done 
overnights at other clubs thus far. We do have the ports cruising guide.

A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the entire cruise 
for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but they are out of date, not 
sure how much of a big deal that is, he didn't seem to think it was a big deal 
at all. 

We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain and 
another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either so any 
gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I have a few books that I've 
studied so I understand these things in principle .. no better way to learn 
than by doing so we're going for it. August 10 to 26 is the time we have booked 
off which means that we're starting this thing during the Perseid Meteor shower 
.. I really want to do on an overnight passage with my girlfriend, say from 
Toronto to Cobourg or something like that so that we can enjoy the meteor 
shower out on the lake. I'm a sucker for that annual meteor shower and haven't 
gotten to enjoy it in years. I know enough to avoid the shipping lanes other 
than that an overnight on the lake seems pretty straightforward.

Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome.

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips

[Joel Aronson]

Rick

Sounds about right!  Need to buy a longer chain!

Joel


On Jul 25, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Rick Brass  wrote:

The rule of thumb taught me by a wizened old Coast Guard chief about 30
years ago was: At least one pound of anchor and one foor of chain for every
foot of boat length.



In these litigious days I don’t think they publish a guideline any more for
fear of being sued. But the old rule of thumb has always worked for me.





Rick Brass

Washington, NC







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*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips



Using a kellet is a good idea but I think also important when using a rope
rode is to have a good length of chain between the anchor and the rode.  On
a C&C 32 I would say that about 35 feet of 5/16 inch anchor chain would be
fine for most situations.



Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS





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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands

[Rick Brass]

I was about to make the same point when I read Andy's post. 

 

My practice is to drop the hook and let out rode to my target length as wind
& current take the boat back. Then spend 5 or 10 minutes admiring the
scenery and other boats while the wind and boat motion settle the anchor and
chain into the bottom. I usually take bearings on a couple of prominent
landmarks. Then I back down on the anchor, starting at about 1000 rpm to
stretch out the rode (I have 65 feet of chain on each of my primary anchors,
which takes some straightening out at times), then increase slowly to about
1600-2000 RPM to dug the anchor into the bottom.  With this practice there
have been very few times I've needed to haul and re-anchor, and those have
been in really soupy mud for the most part.

 

Dennis used 4:1 scope in his example of how much rode to let out. Most folks
seem to use 3:1 to 5:1 if you have an all chain rode, and 7:1 to 10:1 if
your rode is mostly rope. More is better in high winds and waves, but you
need to be in the same ball park as the boats around you to avoid swinging
into another boat if the wind changes.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Burton
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:23 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands

 

The operative phrase being "after you've set the anchor." Don't back down
hard until it's dug in a bit. I often see people drop their hook then rev
the engine in reverse and back through the anchorage dragging the anchor
along the bottom.

Andy

C&C 40 

Peregrine

 

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Dennis C.  wrote:

Stevan,

The most common mistake novice anchorers make is to not include the height
of the bow in the calculation of scope. For instance if it is 3 feet from
the water to your bow chock and you are anchoring in 20 feet of water,
multiply your desired scope by 20 + 3.  So if you want 5:1 scope, it would
be 5 x 23 or 115 feet at the bow chock.

Once you've set the hook, back down HARD and watch an object in the water to
see if you are dragging.

If your GPS has an anchor alarm (most do), set it and relax.

Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 25, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers from
other Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor along
the way and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of. We've
only done overnights at other clubs thus far. We do have the ports cruising
guide.
>
> A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the entire
cruise for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but they are out of
date, not sure how much of a big deal that is, he didn't seem to think it
was a big deal at all.
>
> We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain and
another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either so any
gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I have a few books that I've
studied so I understand these things in principle .. no better way to learn
than by doing so we're going for it. August 10 to 26 is the time we have
booked off which means that we're starting this thing during the Perseid
Meteor shower .. I really want to do on an overnight passage with my
girlfriend, say from Toronto to Cobourg or something like that so that we
can enjoy the meteor shower out on the lake. I'm a sucker for that annual
meteor shower and haven't gotten to enjoy it in years. I know enough to
avoid the shipping lanes other than that an overnight on the lake seems
pretty straightforward.
>
> Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto

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Re: Stus-List Beagle 35 mk1? Sail no 350

[Chris Price]

Rick, I just signed up for the race over but not the race back. Eagle Cove is a 
nice anchorage. Right in front of The Waltjens farm. Nice place, eh? Around the 
corner is the Gibson Island boatyard where I painted my boat last year. We 
might take a short sail out to Dobbins tomorrow night, if so, we'll hail. 
Chris Price 
Pradel 
35 Mk I 
Moored in Black Hole Creek 

- Original Message -
From: "Rick Brass"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 4:25:51 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Beagle 35 mk1? Sail no 350 




Chris; 



Right now I’m anchored in Eagle Cove northeast of Dobbins Island. Thought I 
would spend a couple of days exploring the Magothy on my way to the C&C 
Rendezvous at Corsica River Yacht Club this weekend. 



Tom Vincent, Rich Bushie, and I have talked about rafting up for sundowners and 
a “get to know you” behind Dobbins Island on Friday evening. On Saturday we’ll 
do the Baltimore Light race (AKA CRYC Race Over) to the Chester River and end 
up at the CRYC for dinner and music, and to meet up with Joe Della Barba. The 
Baltimore Light Race wouldn’t happen to be the race your referred to, would it? 



If you’re in the Magothy on Friday and would like to join the raftup, give me a 
shout on VHF 16 and I can tell you where we will be. 





Rick Brass 

Imzadi - 1976 C&C 38 mk1 

252-946-2244 













From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chris Price 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:08 PM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Beagle 35 mk1? Sail no 350 




Beagle's a Mk II and has raced very successfully on the Magothy for many years. 
Where are you staying on the Magothy? I'll be down there on Friday for a 
cruise/ race? through Monday. My boat is in Black Hole Creek. 

Chris Price 
Pradel 
35 Mk I 
- Original Message -


From: "Rick Brass" < rickbr...@earthlink.net > 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:01:30 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Beagle 35 mk1? Sail no 350 

As I was sailing into the Magethy River this evening, I happened upon a 
gaggle of boats maneuvering before the start of a Wednesday evening race. 

One of the boats was easily recognizable as a C&C 35 (I presume it was a Mk1 
because it had no stars and daggers on the end of the cove stripes) using 
sail number 350. I maneuvered to try to stay out of his way, but each time I 
changed direction, he tacked and I was in the way again. The boat looked 
awfully good during the start of the race. 

If the owner is on the list, I want to apologize for the dance we did before 
your start. 

Rick Brass 
Imzadi 
C&C 38 mk1 
Washington, NC 

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Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 1:13 PM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List RE-constructing an HIN 



ALEX GIANNELIA 

CC 35-II (1974) WILL BE RENAMED 
ON THE HARD SINCE NOV. 2006 
Toronto Ontario 


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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands

[Colin Kilgour]

I've done the trip from TO to the 1000 Islands a bunch of times and
anchored a lot there.

Get down to the islands as quickly as you can.  Why spend time in Whitby or
the Bluffs when you can easily go to those places for a weekend cruise?

Most folks stop at Cobourg along the way.   If you leave early in the
morning you can get there from TS&CC same day - in daylight.

Cobourg's a good place to try anchoring for the first time (inside the
breakwater).  Few boats anchor there (as most take a dock).  There's a lot
of space. And it's sheltered.  When you get to the islands, space will be
much tighter.

If you're a little more adventurous, skip Cobourg and go straight through
to Main Duck Island, but that will be an overnight sail.  Make sure the
weather's good though, because there are no good harbours on the south side
of Prince Edward County.  You also need to watch out for Scotch Bonnet
Island (which, btw, is the only fixed navigational hazard between Toronto
and the Bay of Quinte)

Instead, you'll probably go through the Murray Canal. Presqui'le Bay (on
the way into the canal) is shallow.  Make sure you honour the buoys and
don't cut the corner.  Have money ready for the bridge operator (I'm not
sure what the current toll is)

When you get into the Bay of Quinte - honour the buoys there too.

Once you're past Trenton - navigation is straightforward until Belleville -
honour those buoys as well.

Then it's Telegraph Narrows - I haven't been through there in a while, but
I drove over the bridge about a month ago and couldn't see the channel
markers from the road (maybe they're gone?).   Anyway, watch your depth
there and follow the chart and then you're good until Kingston.

Prinyer's Cove (in Aldophus Reach) is a really pretty anchorage, but it's
weedy.

Lots of people stop in Kingston.  I wouldn't.  Again, why stop in a big
stinkpot-infested marina beside a maximum security jail when you could be
at anchor in the islands?  Instead, stop at Cedar Island or Milton Island
which are part of the National Park and are just past town.  You can grab a
dock there or anchor if conditions are good.  (Check the forecast before
turning in)

When you get to the islands, there are lots of choices: Beaurivage is a
good first stop.  Then explore from there using your PORTS guide.

---
On anchoring technique... note that it's MUDDY in all these places.  Set
your anchor somewhat lightly (ie: back down, but not super hard) then have
a swim and a beer or two.  Give your anchor and chain some time to settle
into the mud.  Then back down hard to make sure it's good and set.   If you
back down hard right away, you're just going to drag your anchor through
the anchorage.

-- 
On the way back, the sail from the Murray Canal to Cobourg can REALLY
suck.  It's often an upwind sail and sea conditions can be uncomfortable.
When you get into the Bay of Quinte on the way back, look at the weather
forecast... If you see a decent window (ie: no west wind), go for it and
make a run all the way to Cobourg.  (Note the bridge operating hours
though, because you don't want to get trapped overnight in the canal.  Too
many mosquitos)  Alternately, you could go back along the outside, stopping
at Waupoos and/or Main Duck before making a run all the way to Cobourg (or
home!)

Here's why I say this 14 Years ago, when my eldest was just 1 and we
were in a CS27, we had to beat all the way to Cobourg in 20kn west winds
and 6 foot chop with my son in his Graco "pack and play" down below.  All
he could do was lie on his back and endure the pounding as as we made a VMG
of about 1.4 knots.   Every time we tacked, one of us (my wife) had to go
below and tack the baby!  (I still don't think he's forgiven us)

Have a great trip!

Cheers,
Colin


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Woody Hamel  wrote:

> Hi Steven,
> Your not alone, and I think it's fair to say there are no bad questions.
> Frenchman's bay marina where I am has transient docking, and 2 nice
> restaurants close to the docks. If your here I would be happy to come down
> and say hi.  Whitby is a nice harbour as well. Port of newcastle was a nice
> overnight they have a restaurant as well. It was shallow entry 2 years ago,
> we were ok in our 26 but I did watch a 30 plus get stuck, and manage to
> free herself. That said the water is higher this year.
> As a field biologist working coastal wetlands Belleville area should have
> some safe anchorages.  Prince edward county is amazing, and there should be
> some safe anchorages in the area, picton is a really nice town with docking
> at its door step. Kingston is also a great city! Wolf island should also
> have some safe anchorages, but does not have a lot going on in the way of
> restaurants etc.
> Your trip sounds great! Have a great day everyone!
> Cheers,
> Woody
> C&C 26 - Goldfinch
> Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network.
> Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell.
>
> -Original Mes

Stus-List Thousand Islands - now anchor tips

[Dennis C.]

Rick,

I used 5:1 in the example.  That's the absolute MINIMUM I put out.  I usually 
use 7:1 scope and increase it to 10:1 for any breeze over 15 knots.

The Admiral and I actually use a simpler system than I described below.  
Touche's rode is marked every 30 feet with the pull through markers and between 
every 10 feet with permanent marker.  If we anchor in 20 feet of water and want 
5:1 scope, we let out the rode so the 100 foot marker is at the water, 7:1 
would have 140 foot marker "on the water".  That way, we don't have to add the 
extra height from the water to the bow into the calculation.

As for chain length, look to the anchor manufacturer's recommendations.  As a 
racer, I have a Fortress FX16.  Fortress recommends 6 feet of chain for every 
25 feet of water depth one plans to anchor in.  I only have 10 feet of chain on 
my rode.

Extra chain can be a detriment with a Fortress anchor.  In soft mud the chain 
can drag the shank down resulting in the flukes pointing up.  For that reason, 
Fortress recommends setting the anchor at 2.5:1 scope.  This shortened scope 
will hold the chain and shank up so the flukes will point down and dig in.  We 
call this "first hook".  In the above example for 20 foot depth, we would 
attempt first hook with the 50 foot marker on the water.  Once set, we would 
let out to the 7:1 or desired scope, allow the boat to settle downwind or 
downcurrent of the anchor them back down.

The Fortress is a great anchor in sand and stiff mud.  I find it a bit 
troublesome to set in heavy grass beds or shell beds.  I've never been 
successful getting it to hold in soft mud, particularly since I never put on 
the mud palm attachments.

If I was a cruiser, I would have an appropriately sized Rocna backed up by a 
Danforth Hi-Tensile lunch hook.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA





>
> From: Rick Brass 
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 4:15 PM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands
> 
>
>
>I was about to make the same point when I read Andy’s post. 
> 
>My practice is to drop the hook and let out rode to my target length as wind & 
>current take the boat back. Then spend 5 or 10 minutes admiring the scenery 
>and other boats while the wind and boat motion settle the anchor and chain 
>into the bottom. I usually take bearings on a couple of prominent landmarks. 
>Then I back down on the anchor, starting at about 1000 rpm to stretch out the 
>rode (I have 65 feet of chain on each of my primary anchors, which takes some 
>straightening out at times), then increase slowly to about 1600-2000 RPM to 
>dug the anchor into the bottom.  With this practice there have been very few 
>times I’ve needed to haul and re-anchor, and those have been in really soupy 
>mud for the most part.
> 
>Dennis used 4:1 scope in his example of how much rode to let out. Most folks 
>seem to use 3:1 to 5:1 if you have an all chain rode, and 7:1 to 10:1 if your 
>rode is mostly rope. More is better in high winds and waves, but you need to 
>be in the same ball park as the boats around you to avoid swinging into 
>another boat if the wind changes.
> 
> 
>Rick Brass
>Washington, NC
> 
> 
> 
>From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton
>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:23 AM
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Subject: Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands
> 
>The operative phrase being "after you've set the anchor." Don't back down hard 
>until it's dug in a bit. I often see people drop their hook then rev the 
>engine in reverse and back through the anchorage dragging the anchor along the 
>bottom.
>Andy
>C&C 40 
>Peregrine
> 
>On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Dennis C.  wrote:
>Stevan,
>
>The most common mistake novice anchorers make is to not include the height of 
>the bow in the calculation of scope. For instance if it is 3 feet from the 
>water to your bow chock and you are anchoring in 20 feet of water, multiply 
>your desired scope by 20 + 3.  So if you want 5:1 scope, it would be 5 x 23 or 
>115 feet at the bow chock.
>
>Once you've set the hook, back down HARD and watch an object in the water to 
>see if you are dragging.
>
>If your GPS has an anchor alarm (most do), set it and relax.
>
>Dennis C.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List iPads for Navigation & Data Usage

[Steve Thomas]

Electronic charts are great and I use them, but some contain errors that are 
not on paper charts. Best always to use both, and do
some checking on what is considered best for the area. A couple on a catamaran 
experienced a nasty grounding when proceding south
out of Elizabeth harbour Exuma this past winter. The echart they were using 
(Maptech?) showed that they had lots of depth to get
through a certain cut. They didn't. The paper "Explorer" brand charts had it 
plotted correctly, and are considered by most to be
best for southern Bahamas.
 
We had an echart experience on a boat I was on one night south of Comox, 
Vancouver Island. I forget exactly where we were, but it
was at night and we were skirting the coast of some small island on our way to 
an anchorage when it suddenly started to shallow
real quick. A hard 90 to port and we got away from whatever it was, but it was 
not on the (cmap) chart. It was a long time ago now
and I can't remember if we ever found out what it was or not. Possibly the 
contour line was a bit smoother than it should have
been. Those islands are underwater mountain tops and the depth can change 
really fast. 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Gomez, Jorge K
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:38 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Subject: Re: Stus-List iPads for Navigation & Data Usage


Navionics HD is excellent in Canada and the Caribeean and there is no need for 
any network connectivity as long as the IPad is
equipped with gps. Highly recomended. You need to buy the nav upgrade and 
enhanced map upgrade to get full usability but those are
only $4.99 ea. 
 

From: Andrew Burton [mailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 05:21 PM GMT Standard Time
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Re: Stus-List iPads for Navigation & Data Usage 
 

The iPad needs to have a cellar chip. The cellular data plan does not need to 
be activated and it works well offshore. I'm using
iNavX. I don't know if they have a Canadian equivalent. For areas outside the 
US I use Navionics. Both work very well and it's
been a couple of years since I actually placed the paper charts on the nav desk.

Andy

C&C 40

Peregrine



On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Stevan Plavsa < stevanpla...@gmail.com 
 > wrote:


Hi All, 

Andrew mentioned he uses his iPad and charting software when anchoring. I 
wanted to know if one needed a data connection to use an
iPad for navigation and what software is most recommended. Is it Navionics? I'm 
working with the understanding that the
iPhone/iPad require a data connection for their GPS to work.

I have a wifi/3g iPad with a SIM card and plan but there isn't a lot of data, 
it's for "emergencies". I wonder about keeping it on
while cruising for navigation, if it's needed. I do have paper charts but want 
to use both electronic and paper.

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 90, Issue 81

[Tortuga]

I have a Bad Elf GPS that attaches to my IPad or IPod (both Wi-Fi only). It
works well with a variety of mapping apps, including Navionics and Sail
Timer.

 (http://bad-elf.com/pages/be-gps-1000-detail)

There are a number of add-on GPS units available.

Derek Kennedy
C&C 30 Mk1 Tortuga
Cape George, NS



> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 12:21:35 -0400
> From: Andrew Burton 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List iPads for Navigation & Data Usage
> Message-ID:
>  23wp+msk4v+...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> The iPad needs to have a cellar chip. The cellular data plan does not need
> to be activated and it works well offshore. I'm using iNavX. I don't know
> if they have a Canadian equivalent. For areas outside the US I use
> Navionics. Both work very well and it's been a couple of years since I
> actually placed the paper charts on the nav desk.
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Stevan Plavsa  >wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Andrew mentioned he uses his iPad and charting software when anchoring. I
> > wanted to know if one needed a data connection to use an iPad for
> > navigation and what software is most recommended. Is it Navionics? I'm
> > working with the understanding that the iPhone/iPad require a data
> > connection for their GPS to work.
> >
> > I have a wifi/3g iPad with a SIM card and plan but there isn't a lot of
> > data, it's for "emergencies". I wonder about keeping it on while cruising
> > for navigation, if it's needed. I do have paper charts but want to use
> both
> > electronic and paper.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
> > Suhana, C&C 32
> > Toronto
>
>
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Re: Stus-List [SPAM]Re: Congrats

[Jake Brodersen]

Mike,

 

I have currents built into my Garmin GPS, but there were current charts 
supplied daily (on paper).   The currents in and around the Patuxent swirl in 
several directions at once.  Finding the tide lines was difficult, as there 
weren’t many surface irregularities.  Local knowledge was a key factor, the 
rest was luck.



Jake

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mike Brannon
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: [SPAM]Re: Stus-List Congrats

 

Jake,   What current charts are you using for the Chesapeake?   

 

thanks,  

 

Mike

Virginia Lee 93295

C&C 36 CB

Virginia Beach, VA

Sent from my iPad


On Jul 25, 2013, at 8:25, "Jake Brodersen"  wrote:

Joel,

 

We had enough of a lead in the series we didn’t even need to sail the last 
race, but I’d never do that.  The last course was set in the mouth of the 
Patuxent River.  The current and wind were pretty squirrelly.  The current 
charts were useless, as they would show the current flowing in both directions 
at the same time near the same spot.  We had to rely on our own observations of 
the current.  There weren’t many crab pots to use either (go figure, the one 
time I need them).

 

We had a great time at the regatta, although participation was way down from 
last year.  I hope to see more entries next year.  For once, we had good wind 
on all three days.  That’s a rarity on the Chesapeake in July…

 

Jake

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Congrats

 

Jake and Pat Brodersen continued their winning ways, taking first place in the 
Screwpile regatta with 5 firsts, a 2nd and a meaningless 4th in the last race.

 

 

Way to go!!


 

-- 
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Stus-List C&C26 Wheel to Tiller Conversion

[JPD]

 last one was terrible.  We
got caught on the wrong side of a 20 degree shift and watched our fleet sail
over the top of us.  First overall though.  We had a great time.  I hope the
regatta picks up more entries for next year.  I'd like to see the
competition a bit deeper.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

   

cid:image001.png@01CE3D06.5A990940

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
Muckley
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 8:05 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Midnight Mistress at Screwpile 2013

 

Congrats to Jake and Pat Brodersen for making a fantastic showing on board
Midnight Mistress (C&C 35-3) at the Screwpile Lighthouse Challenge in
Solomons, MD.  So far it looks like a 5 out of 5 win for the series over the
last two days.  There is one more day and as many as 3 more races.
Hopefully they can continue to represent the C&C line with grace and speed.
Well done Jake.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 01:31:48 + (UTC)
From: Mark G 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 33tep rebuild
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Andrew,

Maybe Stu or another lister can provide better help, but here's what I know
about searching older posts:

There doesn't seem to be a direct link to the archives for this list.  To
get to the archives, go to the photo album home page www.cncphotoalbum.com.

In the upper left corner click "home".

Scroll down and click the link to "subscribe now" as if to subscribe to this
list.

Near the top is a link to the "CnC-List archives".

I don't believe there is a way to search the entire archives.  You have to
click each month and scan through the subjects.  However, I can tell you
from experience that the contents of this list comes up occasionally in
Google searches.

Mark

- Original Message -
From: andrew rothweiler 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 12:34:32 - (UTC)
Subject: Stus-List 33tep rebuild

Thank you for the responses and info about the 33-2 potential mast step
rebuild.  A previous contributer was mentioned, who described his first hand
experience with this issue, and the related cost.Is there a way to search
older posts to try to locate this post? Do you think that if a boat does not
exihibit this mast step problem right now (if that what the survey shows
when it's done in the next week or so),  that the problem could still occur
in the future? Or is it a case in which if the problem hasn't shown up by
now, this particular boat will likely not have the problem later?  Thank you
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 22:01:30 -0400
From: "Rick Brass" 
To: 
Subject: Stus-List Beagle 35 mk1? Sail no 350
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As I was sailing into the Magethy River this evening, I happened upon a
gaggle of boats maneuvering before the start of a Wednesday evening race. 

One of the boats was easily recognizable as a C&C 35 (I presume it was a Mk1
because it had no stars and daggers on the end of the cove stripes) using
sail number 350. I maneuvered to try to stay out of his way, but each time I
changed direction, he tacked and I was in the way again. The boat looked
awfully good during the start of the race.

If the owner is on the list, I want to apologize for the dance we did before
your start.

Rick Brass
Imzadi
C&C 38 mk1
Washington, NC

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Giannelia
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 1:13 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List RE-constructing an HIN



ALEX GIANNELIA

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ON THE HARD SINCE NOV. 2006
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Re: Stus-List Thousand Islands - now anchor tips

[Colin Kilgour]

10:1?  They'll love you in crowded anchorages.  ;-)

I prefer to upsize the tackle and use less scope.  (All chain and 66# Bruce)

But then I'm a cruiser and am not concerned with weight.

When you me and Bill had drinks in Annapolis back when, I probably had
less than 3:1 out in Back Creek (or Spa, can't remember) and (very
nervously) survived a 30 knot squall that came through.  The anchorage
was so tight for the boat show you either went with no scope, or you
went home.

Cheers
Colin



On 7/25/13, Dennis C.  wrote:
> Rick,
>
> I used 5:1 in the example.  That's the absolute MINIMUM I put out.  I
> usually use 7:1 scope and increase it to 10:1 for any breeze over 15 knots.
>
> The Admiral and I actually use a simpler system than I described below.
> Touche's rode is marked every 30 feet with the pull through markers and
> between every 10 feet with permanent marker.  If we anchor in 20 feet of
> water and want 5:1 scope, we let out the rode so the 100 foot marker is at
> the water, 7:1 would have 140 foot marker "on the water".  That way, we
> don't have to add the extra height from the water to the bow into the
> calculation.
>
> As for chain length, look to the anchor manufacturer's recommendations.  As
> a racer, I have a Fortress FX16.  Fortress recommends 6 feet of chain for
> every 25 feet of water depth one plans to anchor in.  I only have 10 feet of
> chain on my rode.
>
> Extra chain can be a detriment with a Fortress anchor.  In soft mud the
> chain can drag the shank down resulting in the flukes pointing up.  For that
> reason, Fortress recommends setting the anchor at 2.5:1 scope.  This
> shortened scope will hold the chain and shank up so the flukes will point
> down and dig in.  We call this "first hook".  In the above example for 20
> foot depth, we would attempt first hook with the 50 foot marker on the
> water.  Once set, we would let out to the 7:1 or desired scope, allow the
> boat to settle downwind or downcurrent of the anchor them back down.
>
> The Fortress is a great anchor in sand and stiff mud.  I find it a bit
> troublesome to set in heavy grass beds or shell beds.  I've never been
> successful getting it to hold in soft mud, particularly since I never put on
> the mud palm attachments.
>
> If I was a cruiser, I would have an appropriately sized Rocna backed up by a
> Danforth Hi-Tensile lunch hook.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> From: Rick Brass 
>>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 4:15 PM
>>Subject: Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands
>>
>>
>>
>>I was about to make the same point when I read Andy’s post.
>>
>>My practice is to drop the hook and let out rode to my target length as
>> wind & current take the boat back. Then spend 5 or 10 minutes admiring the
>> scenery and other boats while the wind and boat motion settle the anchor
>> and chain into the bottom. I usually take bearings on a couple of
>> prominent landmarks. Then I back down on the anchor, starting at about
>> 1000 rpm to stretch out the rode (I have 65 feet of chain on each of my
>> primary anchors, which takes some straightening out at times), then
>> increase slowly to about 1600-2000 RPM to dug the anchor into the bottom.
>>  With this practice there have been very few times I’ve needed to haul and
>> re-anchor, and those have been in really soupy mud for the most part.
>>
>>Dennis used 4:1 scope in his example of how much rode to let out. Most
>> folks seem to use 3:1 to 5:1 if you have an all chain rode, and 7:1 to
>> 10:1 if your rode is mostly rope. More is better in high winds and waves,
>> but you need to be in the same ball park as the boats around you to avoid
>> swinging into another boat if the wind changes.
>>
>>
>>Rick Brass
>>Washington, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
>> Burton
>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:23 AM
>>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>Subject: Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands
>>
>>The operative phrase being "after you've set the anchor." Don't back down
>> hard until it's dug in a bit. I often see people drop their hook then rev
>> the engine in reverse and back through the anchorage dragging the anchor
>> along the bottom.
>>Andy
>>C&C 40
>>Peregrine
>>
>>On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Dennis C.  wrote:
>>Stevan,
>>
>>The most common mistake novice anchorers make is to not include the height
>> of the bow in the calculation of scope. For instance if it is 3 feet from
>> the water to your bow chock and you are anchoring in 20 feet of water,
>> multiply your desired scope by 20 + 3.  So if you want 5:1 scope, it would
>> be 5 x 23 or 115 feet at the bow chock.
>>
>>Once you've set the hook, back down HARD and watch an object in the water
>> to see if you are dragging.
>>
>>If your GPS has an anchor alarm (most do), set it and relax.
>>
>>Dennis C.
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>

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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 90, Issue 81

[Patrick Wesley]

As back-up to the Garmin chartplotter I have a Dual XGPS150A that picks up a 
GPS signal and it works well with Navionics in my wifi-only iPad but I always 
carry the paper charts! 

Patrick Wesley, The Boat, Sidney BC

Sent from my iPad

On 2013-07-25, at 3:14 PM, Tortuga  wrote:

> I have a Bad Elf GPS that attaches to my IPad or IPod (both Wi-Fi only). It 
> works well with a variety of mapping apps, including Navionics and Sail Timer.
> 
>  (http://bad-elf.com/pages/be-gps-1000-detail)
> 
> There are a number of add-on GPS units available.
> 
> Derek Kennedy
> C&C 30 Mk1 Tortuga
> Cape George, NS
> 
> 
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 12:21:35 -0400
>> From: Andrew Burton 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List iPads for Navigation & Data Usage
>> Message-ID:
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> 
>> The iPad needs to have a cellar chip. The cellular data plan does not need
>> to be activated and it works well offshore. I'm using iNavX. I don't know
>> if they have a Canadian equivalent. For areas outside the US I use
>> Navionics. Both work very well and it's been a couple of years since I
>> actually placed the paper charts on the nav desk.
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Stevan Plavsa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > Andrew mentioned he uses his iPad and charting software when anchoring. I
>> > wanted to know if one needed a data connection to use an iPad for
>> > navigation and what software is most recommended. Is it Navionics? I'm
>> > working with the understanding that the iPhone/iPad require a data
>> > connection for their GPS to work.
>> >
>> > I have a wifi/3g iPad with a SIM card and plan but there isn't a lot of
>> > data, it's for "emergencies". I wonder about keeping it on while cruising
>> > for navigation, if it's needed. I do have paper charts but want to use both
>> > electronic and paper.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Steve
>> > Suhana, C&C 32
>> > Toronto
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Stus-List Fw: Toronto to the Thousand Islands

[Persuasion]

Steve

I’ve being going to the Island since 2000. For a while from Montreal and for a 
while from Whitby and now from Long Sault.  Back in the day (before echarts) we 
used Richardson’s and Ports.  From Whitby it’s4 a short hop to Cobourg after 
that there is no stopping until Presqu’ile Bay.  If you go outside it’s an over 
nighter.  The only concern is when you get close to Prince Edward county and 
Main Duck.  After Main Duck your choices are endless.  As far as anchorages 
just look around.  If other boats are anchored it probably means it safe to 
anchor.  Some of my favourites Navy Islands in the channel, Lindsay, Camelot, 
Endemion (sp.) Huckleberry and Thwartway (NE corner small bay back in and tie 
to island NO trees though).  If you are really concerned anchor around the 
island around Gan.  If you get nervous in the night you can always run to the 
day docks.  Also Gan marina has free wifi.

I’ll be around there from this Sat to the 16th Aug.  Give me a shout on ch 16 
and maybe we can meet up.

Mike
S/V Persuasion
C&C 37 Keel/CB
Long Sault

From: Stevan Plavsa 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:10 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands

Hi All, 

This will be my first real cruise and I was hoping for some pointers from other 
Lake Ontario sailors. I'm looking for tips on places to anchor along the way 
and clubs to stay at, places to avoid, things to be aware of. We've only done 
overnights at other clubs thus far. We do have the ports cruising guide.

A friend just loaned me a set of paper charts that will cover the entire cruise 
for which I'm very grateful (lots of charts! $$$) but they are out of date, not 
sure how much of a big deal that is, he didn't seem to think it was a big deal 
at all. 

We have two anchors, a big CQR and a smaller delta, 50 feet of chain and 
another 150 of rode. Haven't ever spent a night on the hook either so any 
gotchas on that topic would be handy as well. I have a few books that I've 
studied so I understand these things in principle .. no better way to learn 
than by doing so we're going for it. August 10 to 26 is the time we have booked 
off which means that we're starting this thing during the Perseid Meteor shower 
.. I really want to do on an overnight passage with my girlfriend, say from 
Toronto to Cobourg or something like that so that we can enjoy the meteor 
shower out on the lake. I'm a sucker for that annual meteor shower and haven't 
gotten to enjoy it in years. I know enough to avoid the shipping lanes other 
than that an overnight on the lake seems pretty straightforward.

Any thoughts and recommendations are much welcome.

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



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Stus-List HELP aluminum bolt

[Persuasion]

Help

I was working on my pedestal this past weekend and one of the aluminum bolts 
only loosened about 1 1/2 turns then seized.  All I could do was drill it out.  
Now I’m having difficulty finding a replacement.  I called Edson and they 
advised me that they no longer carry the 6” bolt.  Thanks C&C for making an 
extra heavy cockpit sole.  

So does anyone know where I can source a flat head 1/2” X 6” (5” would work) 
aluminum bolt.  If a pinch I would use a stainless.

Thanks

Mike
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Re: Stus-List HELP aluminum bolt

[Neil Gallagher]

MIke:  stainless at Bolt Depot:

http://www.boltdepot.com/Machine_screws_Slotted_flat_head_Stainless_steel_18-8_1_2-13.aspx

Neil Gallagher
35-1 Weatherly
Glen Cove, NY

On 7/25/2013 9:09 PM, Persuasion wrote:

Help
I was working on my pedestal this past weekend and one of the aluminum 
bolts only loosened about 1 1/2 turns then seized.  All I could do was 
drill it out.  Now I'm having difficulty finding a replacement.  I 
called Edson and they advised me that they no longer carry the 6" 
bolt.  Thanks C&C for making an extra heavy cockpit sole.
So does anyone know where I can source a flat head 1/2" X 6" (5" would 
work) aluminum bolt.  If a pinch I would use a stainless.

Thanks
Mike
S/V Persuasion
C&C 37 Keel/CB
Long Sault


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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands

[Stevan Plavsa]

"Tack the baby", nice. Boy am I glad I asked, that was some really helpful
feedback thank you!

Thanks all so much for all the helpful advise, this is really the greatest
mailing list of all time.

Allan, if we make a stop out your way I'll be sure to call on you. I'm sure
it won't be difficult to spot the C&C :)

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Colin Kilgour wrote:

> I've done the trip from TO to the 1000 Islands a bunch of times and
> anchored a lot there.
>
> Get down to the islands as quickly as you can.  Why spend time in Whitby
> or the Bluffs when you can easily go to those places for a weekend cruise?
>
> Most folks stop at Cobourg along the way.   If you leave early in the
> morning you can get there from TS&CC same day - in daylight.
>
> Cobourg's a good place to try anchoring for the first time (inside the
> breakwater).  Few boats anchor there (as most take a dock).  There's a lot
> of space. And it's sheltered.  When you get to the islands, space will be
> much tighter.
>
> If you're a little more adventurous, skip Cobourg and go straight through
> to Main Duck Island, but that will be an overnight sail.  Make sure the
> weather's good though, because there are no good harbours on the south side
> of Prince Edward County.  You also need to watch out for Scotch Bonnet
> Island (which, btw, is the only fixed navigational hazard between Toronto
> and the Bay of Quinte)
>
> Instead, you'll probably go through the Murray Canal. Presqui'le Bay (on
> the way into the canal) is shallow.  Make sure you honour the buoys and
> don't cut the corner.  Have money ready for the bridge operator (I'm not
> sure what the current toll is)
>
> When you get into the Bay of Quinte - honour the buoys there too.
>
> Once you're past Trenton - navigation is straightforward until Belleville
> - honour those buoys as well.
>
> Then it's Telegraph Narrows - I haven't been through there in a while, but
> I drove over the bridge about a month ago and couldn't see the channel
> markers from the road (maybe they're gone?).   Anyway, watch your depth
> there and follow the chart and then you're good until Kingston.
>
> Prinyer's Cove (in Aldophus Reach) is a really pretty anchorage, but it's
> weedy.
>
> Lots of people stop in Kingston.  I wouldn't.  Again, why stop in a big
> stinkpot-infested marina beside a maximum security jail when you could be
> at anchor in the islands?  Instead, stop at Cedar Island or Milton Island
> which are part of the National Park and are just past town.  You can grab a
> dock there or anchor if conditions are good.  (Check the forecast before
> turning in)
>
> When you get to the islands, there are lots of choices: Beaurivage is a
> good first stop.  Then explore from there using your PORTS guide.
>
> ---
> On anchoring technique... note that it's MUDDY in all these places.  Set
> your anchor somewhat lightly (ie: back down, but not super hard) then have
> a swim and a beer or two.  Give your anchor and chain some time to settle
> into the mud.  Then back down hard to make sure it's good and set.   If you
> back down hard right away, you're just going to drag your anchor through
> the anchorage.
>
> --
> On the way back, the sail from the Murray Canal to Cobourg can REALLY
> suck.  It's often an upwind sail and sea conditions can be uncomfortable.
> When you get into the Bay of Quinte on the way back, look at the weather
> forecast... If you see a decent window (ie: no west wind), go for it and
> make a run all the way to Cobourg.  (Note the bridge operating hours
> though, because you don't want to get trapped overnight in the canal.  Too
> many mosquitos)  Alternately, you could go back along the outside, stopping
> at Waupoos and/or Main Duck before making a run all the way to Cobourg (or
> home!)
>
> Here's why I say this 14 Years ago, when my eldest was just 1 and we
> were in a CS27, we had to beat all the way to Cobourg in 20kn west winds
> and 6 foot chop with my son in his Graco "pack and play" down below.  All
> he could do was lie on his back and endure the pounding as as we made a VMG
> of about 1.4 knots.   Every time we tacked, one of us (my wife) had to go
> below and tack the baby!  (I still don't think he's forgiven us)
>
> Have a great trip!
>
> Cheers,
> Colin
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Woody Hamel  wrote:
>
>> Hi Steven,
>> Your not alone, and I think it's fair to say there are no bad questions.
>> Frenchman's bay marina where I am has transient docking, and 2 nice
>> restaurants close to the docks. If your here I would be happy to come down
>> and say hi.  Whitby is a nice harbour as well. Port of newcastle was a nice
>> overnight they have a restaurant as well. It was shallow entry 2 years ago,
>> we were ok in our 26 but I did watch a 30 plus get stuck, and manage to
>> free herself. That said the water is higher this year.
>> As a field biologist working coastal wetlands Belleville area should have
>> some safe anchorages

Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips

[Stevan Plavsa]

I'm rockin 50 feet of chain and a bunch of rode with the 35 lb CQR. Based
on what I've been reading I think this is pretty good. Chain has some
surface rust but nothing I would think is a problem. I'm guessing anyone's
galvanized steel chain looks like this soon enough, especially in salt
water?

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Joel Aronson wrote:

> Rick
>
> Sounds about right!  Need to buy a longer chain!
>
> Joel
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Rick Brass  wrote:
>
> The rule of thumb taught me by a wizened old Coast Guard chief about 30
> years ago was: At least one pound of anchor and one foor of chain for every
> foot of boat length.
>
>
>
> In these litigious days I don’t think they publish a guideline any more
> for fear of being sued. But the old rule of thumb has always worked for me.
>
>
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> *On Behalf Of *dwight veinot
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:28 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands - Anchoring tips
>
>
>
> Using a kellet is a good idea but I think also important when using a rope
> rode is to have a good length of chain between the anchor and the rode.  On
> a C&C 32 I would say that about 35 feet of 5/16 inch anchor chain would be
> fine for most situations.
>
>
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List HELP aluminum bolt

[John and Maryann Read]

Mike

 

Stainless and aluminum = lots of corrosion.  

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil
Gallagher
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List HELP aluminum bolt

 

MIke:  stainless at Bolt Depot:

http://www.boltdepot.com/Machine_screws_Slotted_flat_head_Stainless_steel_18
-8_1_2-13.aspx

Neil Gallagher
35-1 Weatherly
Glen Cove, NY

On 7/25/2013 9:09 PM, Persuasion wrote:

Help

 

I was working on my pedestal this past weekend and one of the aluminum bolts
only loosened about 1 1/2 turns then seized.  All I could do was drill it
out.  Now I'm having difficulty finding a replacement.  I called Edson and
they advised me that they no longer carry the 6" bolt.  Thanks C&C for
making an extra heavy cockpit sole.  

 

So does anyone know where I can source a flat head 1/2" X 6" (5" would work)
aluminum bolt.  If a pinch I would use a stainless.

 

Thanks

 

Mike
S/V Persuasion
C&C 37 Keel/CB
Long Sault






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Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands

[Colin Kilgour]

Btw - my comment on the Murray Canal to Cobourg trip is just one of
many anecdotes about that route.  Anyone who's done much Lake Ontario
sailing will have a similar story about that leg.

On 7/25/13, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:
> "Tack the baby", nice. Boy am I glad I asked, that was some really helpful
> feedback thank you!
>
> Thanks all so much for all the helpful advise, this is really the greatest
> mailing list of all time.
>
> Allan, if we make a stop out your way I'll be sure to call on you. I'm sure
> it won't be difficult to spot the C&C :)
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Colin Kilgour
> wrote:
>
>> I've done the trip from TO to the 1000 Islands a bunch of times and
>> anchored a lot there.
>>
>> Get down to the islands as quickly as you can.  Why spend time in Whitby
>> or the Bluffs when you can easily go to those places for a weekend
>> cruise?
>>
>> Most folks stop at Cobourg along the way.   If you leave early in the
>> morning you can get there from TS&CC same day - in daylight.
>>
>> Cobourg's a good place to try anchoring for the first time (inside the
>> breakwater).  Few boats anchor there (as most take a dock).  There's a
>> lot
>> of space. And it's sheltered.  When you get to the islands, space will be
>> much tighter.
>>
>> If you're a little more adventurous, skip Cobourg and go straight through
>> to Main Duck Island, but that will be an overnight sail.  Make sure the
>> weather's good though, because there are no good harbours on the south
>> side
>> of Prince Edward County.  You also need to watch out for Scotch Bonnet
>> Island (which, btw, is the only fixed navigational hazard between Toronto
>> and the Bay of Quinte)
>>
>> Instead, you'll probably go through the Murray Canal. Presqui'le Bay (on
>> the way into the canal) is shallow.  Make sure you honour the buoys and
>> don't cut the corner.  Have money ready for the bridge operator (I'm not
>> sure what the current toll is)
>>
>> When you get into the Bay of Quinte - honour the buoys there too.
>>
>> Once you're past Trenton - navigation is straightforward until Belleville
>> - honour those buoys as well.
>>
>> Then it's Telegraph Narrows - I haven't been through there in a while,
>> but
>> I drove over the bridge about a month ago and couldn't see the channel
>> markers from the road (maybe they're gone?).   Anyway, watch your depth
>> there and follow the chart and then you're good until Kingston.
>>
>> Prinyer's Cove (in Aldophus Reach) is a really pretty anchorage, but it's
>> weedy.
>>
>> Lots of people stop in Kingston.  I wouldn't.  Again, why stop in a big
>> stinkpot-infested marina beside a maximum security jail when you could be
>> at anchor in the islands?  Instead, stop at Cedar Island or Milton Island
>> which are part of the National Park and are just past town.  You can grab
>> a
>> dock there or anchor if conditions are good.  (Check the forecast before
>> turning in)
>>
>> When you get to the islands, there are lots of choices: Beaurivage is a
>> good first stop.  Then explore from there using your PORTS guide.
>>
>> ---
>> On anchoring technique... note that it's MUDDY in all these places.  Set
>> your anchor somewhat lightly (ie: back down, but not super hard) then
>> have
>> a swim and a beer or two.  Give your anchor and chain some time to settle
>> into the mud.  Then back down hard to make sure it's good and set.   If
>> you
>> back down hard right away, you're just going to drag your anchor through
>> the anchorage.
>>
>> --
>> On the way back, the sail from the Murray Canal to Cobourg can REALLY
>> suck.  It's often an upwind sail and sea conditions can be uncomfortable.
>> When you get into the Bay of Quinte on the way back, look at the weather
>> forecast... If you see a decent window (ie: no west wind), go for it and
>> make a run all the way to Cobourg.  (Note the bridge operating hours
>> though, because you don't want to get trapped overnight in the canal.
>> Too
>> many mosquitos)  Alternately, you could go back along the outside,
>> stopping
>> at Waupoos and/or Main Duck before making a run all the way to Cobourg
>> (or
>> home!)
>>
>> Here's why I say this 14 Years ago, when my eldest was just 1 and we
>> were in a CS27, we had to beat all the way to Cobourg in 20kn west winds
>> and 6 foot chop with my son in his Graco "pack and play" down below.  All
>> he could do was lie on his back and endure the pounding as as we made a
>> VMG
>> of about 1.4 knots.   Every time we tacked, one of us (my wife) had to go
>> below and tack the baby!  (I still don't think he's forgiven us)
>>
>> Have a great trip!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Colin
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Woody Hamel  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Steven,
>>> Your not alone, and I think it's fair to say there are no bad questions.
>>> Frenchman's bay marina where I am has transient docking, and 2 nice
>>> restaurants close to the docks. If your here I would be happy to come
>>> down
>>> and say hi.  

Re: Stus-List Thousand Islands - now anchor tips

[Rick Brass]

Sorry for the typo, I meant 5:1… Honestly.

 

I’d not read the information about Fortress recommending setting the anchor at 
2.5:1. Next time I use mine I will try that. A fortress can be a bitch to set. 
I have also read comments about Fortress anchors “floating” along a soft bottom 
as a result of having too much chain, so the chains on the two I have aboard 
are relatively short.

 

As a cruiser, I’m a great believer in big anchors and lots of chain. The two 
anchors on the bow are a 20kg Bruce and a 35 lb CQR, each with 65 ft of chain. 
Stored below as a backup is an FX37 with 30 ft of ¼”G4 chain, and an FX23 with 
20 ft of ¼” G4 chain as a lunch hook.

 

My chain is marked with a flag every 10 ft, and the nylon is marked as yours.  
In water up to 20 ft I will let the rode out to the point where the rope to 
chain splice is at the surface, and let the nylon up to the bow roller act as a 
snubber. That gets me between 3:1 and a bit over 5:1 depending on depth. In 
more than 20 ft, I let the appropriate rode marker touch the water as you do, 
using 4:1 as an initial scope, and increasing the scope up to about 7:1 in high 
winds and in deeper water where there is more nylon out..

 

I told my local PHRF handicapper about an article from Yacht Racing magazine 
(Nov, 1975) that talked about how a race winning C&C 38 had been set up for 
racing. Seems adding 100 pounds forward would change the trim enough to 
increase the IOR handicap. Then I asked him, in jest,  for  a PHRF rating 
adjustment for my anchors and chain. He actually thought I was serious about 
the request.

 

Rick Brass

 

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Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 5:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Thousand Islands - now anchor tips

 

Rick,

I used 5:1 in the example.  That's the absolute MINIMUM I put out.  I usually 
use 7:1 scope and increase it to 10:1 for any breeze over 15 knots.

The Admiral and I actually use a simpler system than I described below.  
Touche's rode is marked every 30 feet with the pull through markers and between 
every 10 feet with permanent marker.  If we anchor in 20 feet of water and want 
5:1 scope, we let out the rode so the 100 foot marker is at the water, 7:1 
would have 140 foot marker "on the water".  That way, we don't have to add the 
extra height from the water to the bow into the calculation.

As for chain length, look to the anchor manufacturer's recommendations.  As a 
racer, I have a Fortress FX16.  Fortress recommends 6 feet of chain for every 
25 feet of water depth one plans to anchor in.  I only have 10 feet of chain on 
my rode.

Extra chain can be a detriment with a Fortress anchor.  In soft mud the chain 
can drag the shank down resulting in the flukes pointing up.  For that reason, 
Fortress recommends setting the anchor at 2.5:1 scope.  This shortened scope 
will hold the chain and shank up so the flukes will point down and dig in.  We 
call this "first hook".  In the above example for 20 foot depth, we would 
attempt first hook with the 50 foot marker on the water.  Once set, we would 
let out to the 7:1 or desired scope, allow the boat to settle downwind or 
downcurrent of the anchor them back down.

The Fortress is a great anchor in sand and stiff mud.  I find it a bit 
troublesome to set in heavy grass beds or shell beds.  I've never been 
successful getting it to hold in soft mud, particularly since I never put on 
the mud palm attachments.

If I was a cruiser, I would have an appropriately sized Rocna backed up by a 
Danforth Hi-Tensile lunch hook.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

 

 


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From: Rick Brass 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Toronto to the Thousand Islands

 

I was about to make the same point when I read Andy’s post. 

 

My practice is to drop the hook and let out rode to my target length as wind & 
current take the boat back. Then spend 5 or 10 minutes admiring the scenery and 
other boats while the wind and boat motion settle the anchor and chain into the 
bottom. I usually take bearings on a couple of prominent landmarks. Then I back 
down on the anchor, starting at about 1000 rpm to stretch out the rode (I have 
65 feet of chain on each of my primary anchors, which takes some straightening 
out at times), then increase slowly to about 1600-2000 RPM to dug the anchor 
into the bottom.  With this practice there have been very few times I’ve needed 
to haul and re-anchor, and those have been in really soupy mud for the most 
part.

 

Dennis used 4:1 scope in his example of how much rode to let out. Most folks 
seem to use 3:1 to 5:1 if you have an all chain rode, and 7:1 to 10:1 if your 
rode is mostly rope. More is better in high winds and waves, but you need to be 
in the same ball park as the boats around you to avoid swinging into another 
boat if the wind changes.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, N