Re: PDP-11/44 gas struts

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

take them off and take them to a specialized automotoive shop.

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 2:22 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> There was a Basic four system I had which was a small amount taller but
> you get into having to have a really big counterweight.  I could imagine
> a smaller amount and the rear placement of the 11/44 Power supply weight
> would allow RL02s and such pulled, but leave the system where it is and
> raise the lid.
>
> All w/o having gone to look it up, so I'm guessing.  Also the H960 has
> small feet that support the weight as well when you pull things for
> service.
>
> thanks
> Jim
>
> On 12/24/2021 12:16 PM, Zane Healy wrote:
> > Out of curiosity, is there a manual for this style PDP-11/44 online?
> This is the style I have, but I’m pretty sure my manual is for the pull-out
> enclosure.
> >
> > A manual on this enclosure might give some idea on the gas struts.
> >
> > Zane
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:58 AM, jim stephens via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have the same system cabinet, but have not looked at it in detail.  I
> think from some of the replies, they are thinking about the H960 tall
> cabinets and systems that are pulled out, then rotate on the slides.
> >>
> >> This I think is  like the hood of a car, then the system tilts up, as
> the cabinet isn't that tall that you can't work on it on top.
> >>
> >> As to sources, either automotive sources and match the fit, or a
> supplier like McMaster Carr.  I don't think any NOS on these would be any
> better than the ones  you have that rotted out.
> >>
> >> I only just got the 11/44 and didn't poke at it yet, just moved it from
> the original owner's storage to mine.
> >>
> >> I hope it to be one of my first 'big' projects after some PDP8s are
> tackled.
> >>
> >> thanks
> >> JIm
> >>
> >> On 12/23/2021 8:43 PM, Alan Frisbie via cctalk wrote:
> >>> I have a PDP-11/44 system in the DEC 41" high cabinet.
> >>> It is designed to be tilted up for service, aided and
> >>> supported by two gas struts, one on each side.
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately, after all these years, the struts have
> >>> failed and do not provide any assistance. That box is
> >>> heavy!
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone know where I can get replacement gas struts?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Alan Frisbie
> >>>
>
>

Re: 3-phase power

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

you can use a vfd drives to get 3phase power from single u just gotta size
them bigger then the load u would normally need

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:52 AM Jon Elson via cctalk 
wrote:

> On 1/4/22 10:03 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> >  > From: Scott Quinn
> >
> >  > I have seen some roads where the utility has 2 of the phases plus
> >  > neutral going down them, not true 2-phase power, but 2 phases
> 120/240
> >  > degrees apart with the third phase just not present.
> >
> >
> >
> > My house has something like that; the previous owner wanted '3-phase
> service'
> > for machine tools (I think - could have been a compressor, or something)
> in
> > his basement workshop, so they sold him a pseudo-3-phase service. I
> forget
> > the exact details of how it works, but the 3rd phase is at 170V to
> neutral,
> It should be 208V - see center grounded delta online.  240 *
> sin 60 degrees = 207.8 V.
> Jon
>

Pdp 8 panel parts for trade

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Anyone got any 8i switch or panel  parts they Wana trade for any of these?

Got 6 3 pin spring loaded rockers appear to test good might need some
deoxot not sure came off the 8e below

8 of the 8e m rocker paddles orange and redish orange
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Eprlv8d3TmSPFJ3rCHIJTFkQOyAZesCM/view?usp=drivesdk

Some are missing the plastic pivot dimples


8m with out it's switches
The rotory it's bit weird but possibly usable. Dunno enough about them.
It's center hole is ovaled a bit might gotten bashed. Might have some
usefull bits still

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EpAag1J5r6RAR8ln_fprrdCEiOnJx5kq


I've got some other bits that might be usefull as well from the 8i to
anyone

I'm looking for 5 more rockers with or with out the 8i paddles

Or some 8i paddles I've got 5 brown and 10 white ones that I wanted to find
when I rescued my poor 8i outs the mud





Or any other parts that might be usefull

Re: Pdp 8 panel parts for trade

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

yes the same basic switch from what ive observed

ive tride  3d printing but i don have access to anything decent print
quality wise

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 2:21 AM Chris Zach via cctalk 
wrote:

> > I'm looking for 5 more rockers with or with out the 8i paddles
>
> Well, I'm selling my 8/I panel but I do have a spare 8/L panel that has
> most of the switches. Are they the same basic switch?
>
> > Or some 8i paddles I've got 5 brown and 10 white ones that I wanted to
> find
> > when I rescued my poor 8i outs the mud
>
> Some of my 8/L switch paddles were broken so I 3D printed replacements.
> I found that PLA plastic is far too weak especially on the pivots but if
> you print them with PETG they WILL work and the pivots can take the
> load. Have not had one fail and these are the EX/DP/START switches so
> they are taking a lot of use.
>
> C
>

Re: Digitronics P135-20 Paper Tape Punch

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

did u try talking to that outfit to see if they got more documents with it?

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 9:08 AM Paul Birkel via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I have the mechanism for a Digitronics P135-20 Paper Tape Punch.
>
> It turns out that Surplus Sales currently has one of these for sale; see
> item "(EQP) P135-20/35".
>
> It is accompanied by a three-page snippet of a much longer manual for this
> punch.
>
>
>
> See:  https://www.surplussales.com/equipment/pdf/eqp-p135-20-35.pdf
>
>
>
> That's the only documentation that I've been able to find :-{.
>
>
>
> I'd very much like to find/acquire the remainder of this manual, or other
> relevant documentation.  Can anyone help me?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> paul
>
>

Re: DEC H500 Digital Computer Lab

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

check ur spam box and mark not as spam when you find stuff that shouldnt be
in the spam box


On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 7:03 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk 
wrote:

> As there is no real cctalk traffic other than test messages I thought I
> post something a bit more interesting. Here is a short video of my fully
> restored DEC H500 Computer Lab with an 8-bit counter implementation
> including reset:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57xU3Xqnqx4
>
> Enjoy
> Tom Hunter
>
> P.S. Is there some problem with the mailing list? The few "non-test"
> messages I get are often out of context.
>

Re: Found! Ge 115 computer brochure

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Upload a scan would help

On Sat., Mar. 12, 2022, 12:26 a.m. ED SHARPE via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Found! Ge 115 computer brochure where can I find the computer?
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
>

Re: Loss of Museum in Ukraine

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

sad news to hear

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 8:48 PM Murray McCullough via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Without getting political I was saddened to hear of the destruction of the
> Club 8-Bit museum in Mariupol, Ukraine. One can only hope that D.
> Cherepanov can rebuild his museum someday keeping classic computing in that
> part of the world alive.
>
> Murray--
>

Re: Loss of Museum in Ukraine

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

So much cool soviet stuff will of been lost. Hopefully the guy in keiv
doesn't loose his stuff that sells on eBay he's been living in a subway
station he was telling me a week ago.

On Tue., Mar. 29, 2022, 9:51 a.m. Brielle via cctalk, 
wrote:

> Yes, saw an article that said he was fine.  Not sure if there’s been any
> updates since that article though given how things have escalated…
>
> — Brie
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 29, 2022, at 8:38 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >>
> >> From: Murray McCullough
> >
> >> One can only hope that D. Cherepanov can rebuild his museum someday
> >
> > Is _he_ OK? (There are too many who aren't.)
> >
> >Noel
>
>

Re: Cctalk subscription disabled

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

gmail is causing it

On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:15 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk 
wrote:

> I didn't receive any cctalk messages for a few days, so I checked my Spam
> folder (empty) and then the archive which had several new messages I
> haven't seen. I then checked my cctalk membership configuration.
> Surprisingly "Mail delivery" was disabled.
>
> Some time ago I received a few emails from the list server about "excessive
> bounces" saying that I should simply reply to the email otherwise my
> subscription would be disabled. I replied and didn't think too much about
> it. This time I got no "excessive bounces" email but my subscription got
> disabled.
>
> I got an otherwise reliable @gmail.com email address. Does anyone else
> here
> have problems with this? Is there some way of preventing this from
> happening?
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>

Re: Unsubscribed from the list due to too many bounces

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

its an issue with gmail according to jaywest dont think u can do anything
about it
its in his ballpark
theres a thread discussing the issue so ur not  alone
thread "Cctalk subscription disabled"





On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 10:26 PM Curious Marc via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I have been auto-rejected from the list again, due to too many bounces,
> whatever this means. But I swear I have been a good boy and did not bounce
> too much! This is a plain vanilla gmail account by the way. Does anyone
> have any idea why this keeps happening? Anything I can do about it?
> Marc

Re: glad to see the list again

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

indeed

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 6:58 PM xcvb via cctalk 
wrote:

> its been dead for a week
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

When was that?

On Thu., Sep. 22, 2022, 9:04 p.m. Chris Zach via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> True. I wound up giving away an HP1000 with front panel, because no one
> wanted it. So they do exist out there...
>
> C
>
>
> On 9/22/2022 3:42 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
> > Look for less well-known mini computers.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 1:47 PM Joshua Rice via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It is sacrelege!
> >>
> >> In all honesty, real front panels are expensive. An 11/40 front panel
> sold
> >> recently on eBay for $2000! (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314122754771 <
> >> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314122754771>)
> >>
> >> They’re also hard to come by, and most that have them are going to be
> very
> >> reluctant to part with them.
> >>
> >> I suggest, if you want a display piece, the very good replicas done by
> >> Oscar Vermeulen. He offers both a PDP-11 and PDP-8 replica kit, powered
> by
> >> a Rasberry Pi and the SimH emulator. He is also working on a PDP-10
> replica
> >> as well.
> >>
> >> These are reasonably priced, and very good quality, working, scaled
> >> replicas of their respective systems. (
> >> https://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-11 <
> >> https://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-11>)
> >>
> >> It’s worth noting that other replica front panel systems are available
> as
> >> well, including, but not limited to the Altairduino 8080
> >>
> >>> On Sep 22, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Peter Van Peborgh via cctalk <
> >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I know this is sacrilege but I am looking for the front panel of a
> *Data
> >>> General Nova *and/or *a DEC PDP 8/11/12/15*.
> >>> Why? I collect artefacts from the days of the minicomputer and earlier
> >> and
> >>> I want them for my collection/display. They should be not too damaged
> and
> >>> of course do not need to be functional. I would be willing to pay
> >>> postage/freight.
> >>> Any offers? Any offers?
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> PS Please don't shout at me!
> >>
> >>
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Wish I had seen I would given à home

On Fri., Sep. 23, 2022, 2:19 p.m. Chris Zach via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Earlier this spring. I posted about it, and the general opinion was that
> a HP1000 wasn't really worth anything so I just gave it to someone.
>
> If things aren't worth anything I will chuck them. No point in keeping
> junk around.
>
> C
>
> On 9/23/2022 10:22 AM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > When was that?
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Wow someone mentioning à phillips p series
Has a p854 new old stock panel my self along with bunch of manuals and à
spare core memory pack in safe keeping

On Fri., Sep. 23, 2022, 4:20 a.m. Tony Duell via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 8:42 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk
>  wrote:
> >
> > Look for less well-known mini computers.
>
> No, please don't
>
> If the machine it less well known, it is very likely that many fewer
> have survived. As a result ruining one for its front panel is going to
> make said machine even harder to find.
>
> There are many more PDP8e machines around than , say, Philips P850's or
> P851's
>
>
> -tony
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

o?

On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 12:30 PM jos via cctalk 
wrote:

> On 24.09.22 04:57, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > Wow someone mentioning à phillips p series
> > Has a p854 new old stock panel my self along with bunch of manuals and à
> > spare core memory pack in safe keeping
>
>
> I have spare P854's.
>
> Jos
>
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

ive got a 8i i need to finish rebuilding
https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/34539786085/in/photolist-UsNVQc-UnZy3U-UnXoiN-UCar4c-Tj2Q4F-svoMkx-rRe2wa-sMGsvE-snF3C3-snMK88-snF3G1-sqYYGV-sr1sL2-shWVmZ-seqzS6-rhEMQD-rhtjmd-sdACea-Mfq4ar-KhqDsy



On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 8:36 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 9/24/22 14:59, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > o?
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 12:30 PM jos via cctalk 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 24.09.22 04:57, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> >>> Wow someone mentioning à phillips p series
> >>> Has a p854 new old stock panel my self along with bunch of manuals and
> à
> >>> spare core memory pack in safe keeping
> >>
> >> I have spare P854's.
> >>
> >> Jos
> >>
> >>
> There is Oscar's actual computers, a PDP 11 replica and PDP8 replica as
> well as great IMSAI and Altairs available which look great as well as
> being actual simulators or emulators of the computers, with the  lights,
> not just dead displays.
>
> For display, on could get front panels from Ron Smallwood and produce
> switches and the other few parts required by 3d printing and make a
> pretty good display panel.
>
> thanks
> Jim
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

yea was found in the mud the press board preic spent a few yrs outside
after i found the first bits yet it survived had put it under some weight
for few weeks to get rid of the curve it had

https://live.staticflickr.com/4159/34433937071_ddcbdb994a_b.jpg

On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 11:24 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Rebuild as in Steve Austin.  Holy crap.
>
> Sellam
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 8:29 PM Adrian Stoness via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > ive got a 8i i need to finish rebuilding
> >
> >
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/34539786085/in/photolist-UsNVQc-UnZy3U-UnXoiN-UCar4c-Tj2Q4F-svoMkx-rRe2wa-sMGsvE-snF3C3-snMK88-snF3G1-sqYYGV-sr1sL2-shWVmZ-seqzS6-rhEMQD-rhtjmd-sdACea-Mfq4ar-KhqDsy
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 8:36 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/24/22 14:59, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > > > o?
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 12:30 PM jos via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On 24.09.22 04:57, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > > >>> Wow someone mentioning à phillips p series
> > > >>> Has a p854 new old stock panel my self along with bunch of manuals
> > and
> > > à
> > > >>> spare core memory pack in safe keeping
> > > >>
> > > >> I have spare P854's.
> > > >>
> > > >> Jos
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > There is Oscar's actual computers, a PDP 11 replica and PDP8 replica as
> > > well as great IMSAI and Altairs available which look great as well as
> > > being actual simulators or emulators of the computers, with the
> lights,
> > > not just dead displays.
> > >
> > > For display, on could get front panels from Ron Smallwood and produce
> > > switches and the other few parts required by 3d printing and make a
> > > pretty good display panel.
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
>

[cctalk] Re: Fwd: Philips P2000C carrying strap

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

get ahold of the phillips radio museum in holland they might have photos?

they have some of the computers on display

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:26 AM Tony Duell via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Does anyone have a Philips P2000C CP/M luggable with the carrying strap?
>
> I will be restoring such a machine in the near-ish future and mine is
> lacking the strap. Clear photos of the end fittings that slot into the
> machine, the dimensions of them, etc would be a great help in making
> something up.
>
> -tony
>

[cctalk] Re: Fwd: Philips P2000C carrying strap

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

https://www.radiomuseum.org/museum/nl/philips-historical-products-eindhoven/

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:39 AM Adrian Stoness 
wrote:

> get ahold of the phillips radio museum in holland they might have photos?
>
> they have some of the computers on display
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:26 AM Tony Duell via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a Philips P2000C CP/M luggable with the carrying strap?
>>
>> I will be restoring such a machine in the near-ish future and mine is
>> lacking the strap. Clear photos of the end fittings that slot into the
>> machine, the dimensions of them, etc would be a great help in making
>> something up.
>>
>> -tony
>>
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

the site ur talking about belongs to Vincent Slyngstad who i got the
replacement boards off
https://so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/index.php

On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 2:18 AM Joshua Rice via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adrian Stoness via cctalk" 
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> 
> Cc: "Adrian Stoness" 
> Sent: Sunday, 25 Sep, 2022 At 14:42
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.
> yea was found in the mud the press board preic spent a few yrs outside
> after i found the first bits yet it survived had put it under some
> weight
> for few weeks to get rid of the curve it had
> https://live.staticflickr.com/4159/34433937071_ddcbdb994a_b.jpg
> <https://live.staticflickr.com/4159/34433937071_ddcbdb994a_b.jpg>
>
>
>
> Wow, that thing is pretty well wrecked.
>
> I have a bunch of PDP-8 flips chips i bought for display purposes, but i
> wouldn't mind them to go to a restoration. I'll have a look and see what
> i've got.
>
> There is (was?) a very good resource listing most flip chips, with good
> photos of each and even sometimes PCB layout files somewhere on the
> internet. https://www.pdp8online.com/r-boards/r-boards.shtml#pictures
> seems to have some, but isn't quite what i remember finding.
>
> All the best in that very challenging restoration.
>
> Josh
>

[cctalk] Re: Response from the list manager

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

 hes prolly on vacation

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:10 AM Peter Van Peborgh via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Is it just me? I have recently sent an email to this guy about two
> different topics. There was no response in either case. What is going on?
> Or am I missing something?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> peter vp
>

[cctalk] Re: Fwd: Philips P2000C carrying strap

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

its nice seeing phillips getting some love its some interesting history



On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 12:54 PM Peter Corlett via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:39:46AM -0500, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:26 AM Tony Duell via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >> Does anyone have a Philips P2000C CP/M luggable with the carrying strap?
> >> I will be restoring such a machine in the near-ish future and mine is
> >> lacking the strap. Clear photos of the end fittings that slot into the
> >> machine, the dimensions of them, etc would be a great help in making
> >> something up.
>
> > get ahold of the phillips radio museum in holland they might have photos?
> > they have some of the computers on display
>
> Note that there are (at least) _two_ Philips museums: the "Stichting tot
> Behoud van Historische Philips Producten" (Foundation for the Preservation
> of Historic Philips Products) and the Philips Museum. Their websites are
> https://www.sbhp.nl/ and https://www.philips-museum.com/. Both are in
> Eindhoven, as is much of the interesting bits of Philips itself.
>
> The former appears to be volunteer collectors of mainly analogue-era
> Philips
> gear and I can almost smell the chain-smoked roll-ups just from the photos,
> whereas the latter looks rather more corporate.
>
> (I am occasionally contacted by Philips' recruiters trying to lure me to
> work at some nasty industrial park near Eindhoven airport. There is usually
> tumbleweed after I point out the seven hour commute and ask if they've
> considered remote-working.)
>
> I only note this because I have Weekend Vrij and a Museumkaart, and my
> random spin for where to visit this weekend landed on Eindhoven and thence
> to the Philips Museum, which reminded me of this thread. Unfortunatly, SBHP
> is closed at weekends (and doesn't accept Museumkaart, but I could have
> probably scraped together the €4 entry fee) which is a shame as it looks by
> far the more interesting of the two. If I spot a P2000C and remember, I'll
> try and get a photo although I doubt they'll let me dig it out of the
> cabinet and go over it with my micrometer...
>
> It may also be worth reaching out to the HomeComputerMuseum (sic) in
> Helmond
> (https://www.homecomputermuseum.nl/) who are quite friendly and have a
> well-curated collection, including quite a lot of Philips gear. It's not
> directly relevant to this query, but they have a very impressive collection
> of CD-i machines, hardware prototypes, and media. They have a P2000C, which
> is on display for the public to use, and a suitable donation would probably
> get all the photos and measurements you want:
> https://www.homecomputermuseum.nl/en/collectie/philips/philips-p2000c/
>
> As a last resort, there's the Bonami Games and Computers Museum in Zwolle
> (https://computermuseum.nl/) although it's basically just a huge barn
> with a
> load of random stuff piled in it and poor labelling, so I'd try them last:
> I
> took some lovely atmospheric pictures of 60s and 70s Big Iron when I
> visited, but have no idea what half of it is. I suspect they don't know
> either.
>
>

[cctalk] Re: PDP 8a front panel hardware

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

theres 3d print models made of them theres the orig design with does not
prit very well and a modified design thats better list forget where
might be buried on this site?
https://so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/repair/repair.php

On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 7:53 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Is there a 3D print gcode for the hardware that connects a PDP8a front
> panel to the chassis?
>
> Is there anyone who has a spare clips/clamps hardware to attach a PDP 8a
> console to the chassis?
>
> I picked up the donated PDP 8a mentioned earlier on this list, I got it up
> and running.  I need to track down the hardware to attach the front panel
> to the chassis.  I do have spares of the hardware that attaches the ON/OFF
> panel to the chassis.
>
> AS with all "free" donations it's the final mile that costs the big $$
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
>

[cctalk] Re: PDP 8a front panel hardware

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

https://www.yeggi.com/q/pdp+8/

[cctalk] Re: Rejected messages

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

We hear u loud and clear

On Sun., Jan. 22, 2023, 4:50 p.m. Ali via cctalk, 
wrote:

> > Since the switchover I am getting more and more of my messages
> > rejected as suspected SPAM.  Anyone else seeing this?
> >
> > bill
>
> Same here bill. I contacted the new list owner and the response was pretty
> much tough cookies
>
> -Ali
>
> p.s. It would be interesting to see if this one makes it through! LOL.
>
>

[cctalk] Re: Aging of unused CD-R media

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

faster they were written too the faster the fade ive noticed

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 11:04 AM Zane Healy via cctalk 
wrote:

> I find myself wondering, how well does CD-R and DVD-R media that hasn’t
> been used age?  I have quite a bit of unused Verbatim DataLifePlus, as well
> as some other media that’s unused.
>
> For the most part, I don’t need it, but I can see a couple reasons I might
> want to burn some in the future, mainly to exchange data with older systems.
>
> Zane
>
>
>
>

[cctalk] Re: Vintage den

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

what site is that?

On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 6:17 PM Tarek Hoteit via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Oh yes it is so cool. We were talking about it with its owner IceBreaker
> on Mastodon https://mastodon.social/@particlesbbs/10730168329945
>
> Regards,
> Tarek Hoteit
>
> > On Mar 13, 2023, at 2:54 PM, Murray McCullough via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> >  Has anyone seen the latest on ArsTECHNICA journal on Brian Green’s
> > “deluxe home vintage computer den”? Does it bring back many fond memories
> > of the 70s and 80s. 🙂
> >
> >
> >
> > Happy computing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Murray  🙂
>

[cctalk] Re: Wireless phone

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Aww the mts phones still find a few places in the world that use em still

Had one at my cabin till that got shut down in 2006 here In manitoba.

Also got one of the ones sherritt exploration had with a range that would
reach to the operator in selkirk from lynn lake mb



On Mon, Apr 3, 2023, 8:23 a.m. Paul Koning via cctalk 
wrote:

> That would be cell phone, right?  Wireless phones have been around for
> much longer, but those earlier ones weren't cellular.  The key innovation
> is seamless handoff between cells, as opposed to the call being tied to a
> particular base station for the duration.
>
> paul
>
> > On Apr 3, 2023, at 9:15 AM, Murray McCullough via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > On April 3, 1973 the first wireless phone call was made and Moore’s Law
> has
> > now led to the smart-phone being ubiquitous to our lives: Computer
> > technology and cell phone technology marching hand-in-hand.
> >
> >
> > Happy computing and talking about it!
> >
> >
> > Murray 🙂
>
>

[cctalk] Re: do you have any western electric 498a diodes or know where I can get? Thanks ed sharpe

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

tube style?

On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 2:17 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk 
wrote:

> do you have any western electric 498a diodes or know where I can get?
> Thanks ed sharpe
>
> Sent from AOL on Android

Re: Does anyone here know Siemens STL?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Herd of it

Siemens has destroyed so many good products by buying them out blah

On Apr 11, 2017 9:03 PM, "Charles Dickman via cctalk" 
wrote:

> The Balkanized nature of programming is interesting.
>
> I make a comment about C and get a flurry of responses, but ask a
> question about a programming language that is also very common for
> machine control and get no response at all. Not even a recognition of
> its existence.
>
> Siemens STL ist a programming language for machine controllers. It is
> oriented towards Boolean operations and extended for integer and real
> data types. Symbolic addressing is almost completely absent.
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Charles Dickman 
> wrote:
> > Does anyone here even know what Siemens STL is?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 9:00 PM, Charles Dickman 
> wrote:
> >>
>

Re: Does anyone here know Siemens STL?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Modicon, ge faunic, Allen Bradly, Allen Heath, hewert Rand, Siemens, abb,
idec, square d, some I know I'm forgeting

On Apr 12, 2017 12:54 PM, "geneb via cctalk"  wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Apr 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>
> You might find more fertile ground plowing the plctalk.net forum when
>> your questions relate to the STL/SCL/FBD/LAD/CSF area.
>>
>> FWIW, "STL"  in Siemens-talk is an acronym for "Statement List".  Why it
>> isn't "SL" is anyone's guess.
>>
>> I kept trying to figure out how anyone was going to program a Stereo
> Lithography file. :)
>
> g.
>
> --
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
> http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
> Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.
>
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
>

Re: C, STL, primitive languages that live on and on ... Re: Does anyone here know Siemens STL?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

COSS4  cant event find it on google

On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Charles Dickman via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> There are a lot of smart people here with wide ranging experiences, so
> I like to ask questions from time to time that get more to philosophy.
> So "If C is so evil why is it so successful" was one of those
> questions.
>
> The answer I see is that it is the path of least resistance to the
> most successful outcome in the time horizon of the effort.
>
> Or, it gets the job done.
>
> Personally, I am stuck in the machine control world where things like
> symbolic names and type checking are sometimes non-existant. And I
> wonder why.
>
> SIL-3 and PLe with stone knives and bearskins.
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
>  wrote:
> > On 04/11/2017 07:03 PM, Charles Dickman via cctalk wrote:
> >> The Balkanized nature of programming is interesting.
>
> > You might find more fertile ground plowing the plctalk.net forum when
> > your questions relate to the STL/SCL/FBD/LAD/CSF area.
>
> I am familiar with STL (and some of the others). My question was not
> for help. I was trying to present a contrast between the nit-picking
> the list was doing about C and that fact that a huge amount of mission
> critical programming is done in languages that are essentially machine
> code.
>
> It was a ham fisted attempt. Don't post after too many high ABV IPA's.
>
> > FWIW, "STL"  in Siemens-talk is an acronym for "Statement List".  Why it
> > isn't "SL" is anyone's guess.
>
> Probably for the same reason that PZD is process data.
>
> > --Chuck
>
> -chuck
>

Re: Remex Tape Reader - Pre-power up advice?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

simlar to one of these?
http://imageshack.com/a/img922/6626/eQjeFK.jpg

Re: Did we miss the 20th anniversary of classiccmp?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

wow what?

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> > On Apr 20, 2017, at 2:09 PM, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > A FAQ in my old emails show the founding of the Classiccmp mailing list
> as being 20 years and 1 month ago. March 13 1997 was when Bill Whitson
> first set up the classiccmp list at the University of Washington.
> >
> > Tim N3QE
> >
> >
> > Sent from my VAX-11/780
>
>
> That means I’ve been on this list for just short of 20 years.  I think its
> safe to say that a list dedicated to computer history, forgot its own
> history.
>
>
> Zane
>
>
>
>

Re: Did we miss the 20th anniversary of classiccmp?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Oldest mailing lists prolly held by snail mail type groups. That evovled
into the digital age

On Apr 21, 2017 11:40 AM, "Tony Duell via cctalk" 
wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Thomas Kula via cctalk
>  wrote:
>
> > To be fair, while we may have missed the 020th and 20th anniversaries,
> > we're well ahead of the 0x20th anniversary.
> >
> > So --- what base are we using?
>
> Or what about celebrating 8192 days of the list, which I think
> is a little over 22 (base 10) years.
>
> -tony
>

RE: Bitsavers size

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Bit savers is only 267 gigs?

On Apr 21, 2017 12:25 PM, "Rob Jarratt via cctalk" 
wrote:

>
>
> > > My back of the envelope calculation comes to approximately
> > > 4 million miles of paper tape.
> >
> > I think you're out by a factor of 10 267*10^9 bytes, divide by 10 as
> there are
> > 10 bytes to the inch on paper tape, and convert to miles. I get just
> over 400,000
> > miles.
> >
>
> Agreed, I measured a piece of paper tape I have here and got a figure of
> 0.9 inches per 10 bytes, so clearly just a bit of finger trouble somewhere
> in my calculation. Still, almost enough for a round trip to the moon.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>
>
> > My rule of thumb is that a full reel of 1" paper tape is 100k bytes So
> 10 for a
> > megabyte
> > 1 for a gigabyte
> > 2,670,000 for all of bitsavers. Perhaps nearer 3 million as it's an
> > approximation
> >
>
>
>
>

8i front panel hmm

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

so anyone thats recalls i found a crushed pdp 8i last yr
on friday i was back at the Sean and found the panel in paces actualy found
parts of two of them. one was painted the other was layers of vynal.
thought that was interesting

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4193/34379004552_1bdf3f3431_b.jpg


doesnt include the tub of parts i have... i need to go back and hunt more
it seems
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4185/34539786085_8582a38730_b.jpg

Re: 8i front panel hmm

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

damit thought i caught all my typos stupid brain

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk  wrote:

> On Mon, 8 May 2017, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
>
>> so anyone thats recalls i found a crushed pdp 8i last yr
>>
> So, anyone that recalls that I found a crushed PDP 8i last year,
>
> on friday i was back at the Sean and found the panel in paces actualy found
>>
> On Friday, I was back at the scene and found the panel in ?, actually
> found
>
> parts of two of them. one was painted the other was layers of vynal.
>>
> parts of two of them.  One was painted, the other was layers of vinyl.
>

Re: 8i front panel hmm

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

figured be of interest to u.
im going to return and see if i can find any more parts this week

the vynal has a main layer with the grey white black base pastic more the
vynal like an overlayer witch they add a vynal layer that has the orange
and text on it

they both have a foggy paint covering part of the back as a defuser as well
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4176/34379427552_7c7e6ab8d1_b.jpg



On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 08/05/2017 21:37, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 8 May 2017, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> so anyone thats recalls i found a crushed pdp 8i last yr
>>>
>> So, anyone that recalls that I found a crushed PDP 8i last year,
>>
>> on friday i was back at the Sean and found the panel in paces actualy
>>> found
>>>
>> On Friday, I was back at the scene and found the panel in ?, actually
>> found
>>
>> parts of two of them. one was painted the other was layers of vynal.
>>>
>> parts of two of them.  One was painted, the other was layers of vinyl.
>>
> All my reproduction 8/i panels are based on an original silk screened
> panel.
> The vinyl one interests me!!
>
> Rod Smallwood
>
> --
> There is no wrong or right
> Nor black and white.
> Just darknessand light
>
>

Re: 8i front panel hmm

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

txs for corrections. and im not offended just embarrassed yet again :( like
said stupid brain i try and dont see things at all its kinda weird

also paces should be peaces

i guess i got a bad trace or two somewhere or somthing eh? time to get the
logic analyzer out

Re: 8i front panel hmm

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

went back to the sean found this and one more switch bunch more cards
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4159/34433937071_ddcbdb994a_b.jpg

pdp 8i wood front panel back

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

i rescued 2 today that were buried for a yr in mud cleaned it up the one
that was still one peic
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/882x662q90/923/M4e2cc.jpg



noticed it was starting to curve as it dried so i cleaned the mud off it
and put it between a towel and some concreat blocks? that should stop it
from curving right and help corect the bit that started?
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/496x662q90/922/RjHMCe.jpg


i got a second one of these thats snaped in half i found in the same
location still has all the studs atached so prolly use it for parts to fix
this one or ill fire up the shop bot at the hackerspac

any advice?

Re: Apollo 013034 mother board

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

this wound up in my spam folder

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:59 AM, Paul Anderson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Please contact me off list with questions. Domestic shipping $15.
>

Dec name plate?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

What's this name plate from quick Google doesn't find anything was found in
the pile of that smashed 8i in the mud

Re: BBS software for the PDP 11

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

So a 11/03 aka a lsi11 would be to slow for such things? Such as those
Heathkit h11 lsi11 macheans? Witch was a hobyist pdp11 for those that are
unfamiliar with the hearhkits



On May 18, 2017 11:45 AM, "Chuck Guzis via cctalk" 
wrote:

> On 05/18/2017 08:16 AM, allison via cctalk wrote:
>
> > The real question is why BBS?  What is it trying to fix or enable?
>
> You put the words into my mouth.  Thank you.
>
> --Chuck
>
>

RE: BBS software for the PDP 11

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Allot of then can be run on a single 15 amp circuit with a some.other stuff
on it as well

On May 18, 2017 2:58 PM, "Ali via cctalk"  wrote:

> > As for power, if you  have a wife and/or kids, a PDP-11's power
> > consumption is not even above the noise floor in your electric bill.
> > (Unless your trying to do it with RA disks!!)
> >
> > bill
>
> Out of curiosity how much power do these wee beasties consume?
>
> -Ali
>
>

Re: BBS software for the PDP 11

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

My dad had some bills of 5 grand he told me but he was dialing out from a
remote location in northern Manitoba that had only microwave said made huge
difference when he went from 500 baud to 5000

On May 19, 2017 2:40 PM, "jim stephens via cctalk" 
wrote:

>
>
> On 5/19/2017 3:23 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
>
>> On 18 May 2017 at 17:16, allison via cctalk 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All a DOS BBS was  was a user interface that provided security by
>>> requiring
>>> user/password
>>> and limiting the commands usable.  The easy was to do that was a version
>>> of
>>> the CMD module
>>> rewritten to not have things like RMDIR and DEL.
>>>
>>
>> I was never into the BBS scene, because outside North America, local
>> phone calls cost money. So you paid for every minute you were online
>> -- quite a lot.
>>
> I have news for you. (maybe) From 1976 until it petered out, the phone
> time cost a lot too.  $200 or more a month at times.
>
> Also a stupid charge for local calls where the PUC's didn't stand up to
> the Bell system or successors and call bullshit to the charges. Calling
> across a few blocks could cost a lot and you wouldn't know it unless you
> were a phone nut due to zone usage metering.
>
> Only with competition in the mid 80s did US long distance start to fall,
> and now with the internet and voice over IP have the need to pay for most
> such long distance gone away for small users.
>
> I put in a couple of T1 based systems for large offices though as recently
> as 7 years ago, and commercially the POTS or digital carrier phone numbers
> carry a huge toll.
> thanks
> Jim
>
>> I used (and still use) CIX (www.cix.co.uk) which was a sort of UK
>> version of BIX, and used offline readers -- you dial up, it sends your
>> comments, zips & grabs all your messages, and disconnects, as fast as
>> possible to keep the phone bill down.
>>
>> But AIUI later-era DOS BBSes often used DESQview to allow multiple
>> multitasking user sessions, and the BBS sysops were often early
>> adopters of OS/2 2.
>>
>> So DOS <> no multitasking...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: McLeyvier music synthesizer

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

There's a museum in otowa that might be some.of the stuff ur looking for

On Jun 14, 2017 1:02 PM, "Alan Frisbie via cctalk" 
wrote:

> Al Kossow  wrote:
> > Alan Frisbie via cctalk wrote:
>
> > > Our current project is to replace the ST-506 disks with
> > > the David Gesswein MFM disk emulators.   To do this, we
> > > need to determine the CRC algorithm used by DTC, which we
> > > cannot find any documentation for.
>
> > did you ask david to try decoding the data for you? he's been
> > very good at doing so.
>
> Yes, I've discussed it with David, but we're waiting until
> we have the test rig set up before attacking it in depth.
> That should be in another week or two.
>
> > DTC documentation should be on bitsavers
>
> Yes, for which I am extremely grateful!   The DTC-11-1 host
> adapter manual is particularly valuable.   While there is a
> manual for the DTC-520A and the 500DB Series, there isn't one
> for the 520-1.   It's possible that the 520A is the same as
> the 520-1, but we're not sure yet.
>
> In any event, the CRC information is not in the manuals.   We'll
> probably start by just experimenting with common polynomials.
> Why would DTC engineers NOT use proven algorithms?   :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Alan Frisbie
>

Re: McLeyvier music synthesizer

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

hi something poiped up on a facebook synth group that may have some
information burried in it to ur interest
i havent dug into it yet but heres a pdf
http://neutrinorecords.com/gear/Electronotes%20Newsletter%20-%20Free%20PDF%20Collection%202017.06.23.zip

and the website of the publiusher a 70 yr old guy that might have more
tresures burried to ur interest in his stuff or know of someone out there
still alive?
http://electronotes.netfirms.com/


On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Alan Frisbie via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> In the early 1980's, a company in Toronto, Hazelcom Industries,
> produced a music synthesizer based on an LSI-11/23 running
> RSX-11M v3.2.   The music part of it was written by David McLey,
> so the product was called the McLeyvier (pun intended).
>
> Several people in the industry have told me that this was the
> best analog music synthesizer ever made.   Sadly, it was
> introduced just as digital synthesizers were hitting their stride.
>
> Now, a small group of enthusiasts have banded together to restore
> the few remaining McLeyviers (only about eight were sold) to
> operating condition.
>
> If you have any knowledge about the McLeyvier, and are not
> already on our mailing list, PLEASE contact me.   We are
> particularly interested in the following subjects:
>
> 1. McLeyvier hardware or software documentation.
> 2. DTC 520-1 disk controller and its DTC-11 Q-Bus host adapter.
> 3. Peritek VRG-Q Q-Bus graphics controller.  Especially the
>RSX or RT-11 device drivers, or other software.
> 4. The location or owners of McLeyviers.
>
> Our current project is to replace the ST-506 disks with
> the David Gesswein MFM disk emulators.   To do this, we
> need to determine the CRC algorithm used by DTC, which we
> cannot find any documentation for.
>
> Thank you,
> Alan Frisbie
>

Re: Importing a PDP-8 from Canada

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

call a broker

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Ian McLaughlin via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> There may be no duties or tariffs, however you may have to pay sales taxes
> on the value of the machine, so make sure you have paperwork showing how
> much you paid for the machine, or paperwork showing it is a gift.
>
> (This is the case for me bringing in hardware from the USA into Canada)
>
> Ian
>
> > On Jul 31, 2017, at 7:22 PM, Marc Howard via cctech <
> cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I had a similar issue many years back (re)importing a pinball machine
> from
> > Canada.  It was held in customs for a few hours (they thought it was a
> > gambling machine) until I casually mentioned that it was built in
> > Bensonville, IL and say so on the playfield.  No problems after that.
> >
> > If you're re-importing something that was previously made in the USA then
> > there are no customs duties.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Michael Thompson via cctech <
> > cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> The RICM has an opportunity to get a PDP-8/M (built in Maynard, MA)
> that is
> >> in Canada. I remember that there was a discussion on the procedure here,
> >> but I can't find it with Google.
> >>
> >> Can you either point me to the discussion, or tell me what the procedure
> >> is?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Michael Thompson
> >>
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam
> here:   http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=
> 3FB1C53E766011E7AD1CEA3A93ED0201
>
>

Re: PDP-8I acrylic Front Panel

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

id be interested in a cast copy of a 8i my self


On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:15 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 08/08/2017 21:43, Ray Neal via cctalk wrote:
>
>> Rod;
>>
>> I'm looking for a PDP-8I acrylic Front Panel for my replica PDP-8I I'm
>> putting together.  I have a PCB board created by Vince and in between
>> Hospital stays I have been able to populate it.
>>
>> The next step is to either locate a frame or to find manufacturing drawing
>> on the aluminum frame so I can make a wax male mold form to allow me to
>> cast the frame. As a last resort, if I can't find drawing or a frame, then
>> I will attempt to locate a PDP-8 that the owner will allow me to
>> disassemble, photograph & take measurements, then reassemble.
>>
>> Using these I can then create the drawing to allow me to create the Wax
>> Mold Master.
>>
>> As for the acrylic if you don't have a panel in stock and don't plan to
>> create a new order, would you consider placing the artwork into opening
>> source.  This will allow people such as myself the ability to take the
>> artwork to a silkscreen printer and have them create the screen prints to
>> allow for the print of a couple of panels. (When in doubt, creat a spare).
>>
>> *Note*:  Not the cheapest way to obtain a Front Panel.
>>
>> Thank you for your time and the work you have done on this project.
>>
>> Respectfully;
>>
>> Ray Neal
>>
> Hi Ray
>PDP-8/i front panels lots of stock.
> I am also working on a replica of an 8/i.
> I have a working version of Vince's board.
> I also have a new X-Y addressed lamp (LED) PCB layout of my own.
> Its designed to be driven by a Raspberry Pi running SIM H and a bunch of
> low cost I/O boards. (which I already have)
> Just add switches and you have the basis of a working 8/i.
>
> I already managed to make a cast resin copy of an 8/e bezel and plan to do
> the same for the 8/i.
>
> Now here's the interesting bit.
> There's clearly an opportunity for us to cooperate rather than duplicate.
> I would be happy to send you a 8/i panel FOC  in exchange for some other
> component you may make.
>
> I might venture to suggest the switch panel is an area as yet unaddressed.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Rod Smallwood  - rodsmallwoo...@btintenet.com
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Wanted one pdp-8/i rocker switch leaver to copy.
>
>

Re: PDP 8e green / lab version rack Ebay

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

see its down to les then 24 hrs left now wonder what it will go for?

honeywell h316 manuals

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

just found some in a house im poked my head in to look at  buying. anthow
would anyone want these for the cost of shipping from northern manitoba?

Re: Old CAD Software KTI/Cascade anno 1997

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

if no one here can help u try contacting delft or any architecture firm
thats been around a while aka the admins-IT type peeps u never know w might
be lurking in a back room. or other schools with drafting departments

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Smitsman, Bart via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Dear classiccmp subscribers,
>
> Does some know the software Atlas Created by KTI Cascade (
> http://www.kticorp.com/ )
> We need to open 2 drawing but we don't have the software anymore.
>
> We've contacted the company and consultants but they don't have the
> software anymore.
>
> Original was the software created for the Macintosh SE computers later it
> was ported to MS Dos.
>
> Can someone help me?
>
> Met vriendelijke groet / With kind regards,
> Bart Smitsman
> System Administrator
> ...
> Smurfit Kappa Corrugated Benelux
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> ...
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> Fax:   +31 (0)162480 099
>
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>
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>
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Re:

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Huh?

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 11:40 AM, Jessica Meyerson via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Gj

Re: Reviving ancient MFM drives (was Re: formatting MFM drives on a IBM PC)

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

prolly a failing ic of some sort?


On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Geoffrey Oltmans via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 9/28/17 7:38 AM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
> >
> > > What is it that usually fails when the drive can't read the servo info?
> > The data on the platter, or?
> >
> > I've never dug that far into it beyond fiddling with Micropolis trying to
> > mechanically get it to
> > find the servo tracks and calibrate to track 0.
> >
> > One of the problems is schematics and documentation on the servo systems
> > are extremely difficult
> > to get. The little that is on bitsavers is all I've come up with in 25
> > years of searching and there
> > is practically nothing useful elsewhere on the web about fixing servos in
> > old 5" disks.
> >
> > It could be heads, media, positioners, component aging in the analog
> > section, etc etc..
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Speaking of I've got a couple of old MFM drives (10 and 20 MB of a
> variety whose name and model #'s escape me, I wanna say Tandon, but not
> sure). They seem to work fine when I initially format and partition, but as
> they run for a while, they get more and more unreliable. It seems to be a
> function of how long they've been running for rather than a predictable
> pattern of bad tracks sectors? Are there any good sources of
> troubleshooting info at the controller level for these old drives?
>

Re: Hallicrafters S-85

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

I've got a sx28 needs to be recapped has allot of humming going on was last 
serviced in the 70s by my dad he got it for free when he was 12 if he could 
carry it home a mile 

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 7, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Ed via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> SX-115 Is a nice looking  radio  Al!
> Not  sure there are a lot of  them around  though as  
> I  so not remember  even  being offered  any.
> 
> Be  patient... one will show up at a good  price...
> Also if  I see one  out there will let  you know of the  whereabouts.
> Ed#
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 10/7/2017 3:03:15 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
> a...@bitsavers.org writes:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/7/17 2:39 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> What  homed  you in  collecting Hallicrafters?
> 
> A friends  SX-43 got me interested in shortwave, and in getting my ticket
> when I was  in high school. I was given a basket-case SX-115 when I was 17
> that I never  got going. Apparently, those are worth a lot of money now 
> since
> the  production run was so short. Oh  well..
> 
> 

Re: Hallicrafters S-85

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

ive got the origonal manual actualy with notes on repairs he made in it,
also got the origonal bill of sale from 1944 sold for 500$

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk 
wrote:

>
>
> On 10/7/17 4:05 PM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > I've got a sx28 needs to be recapped has allot of humming going on was
> last serviced in the 70s by my dad he got it for free when he was 12 if he
> could carry it home a mile
>
> this is all pretty far off-topic, so I'll leave this with some of my
> latest scans
>
> http://bitsavers.org/communications/hallicrafters
>
>
>

Re: OT: the death of shortwave / Re: Hallicrafters S-85

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

:,(

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 7, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
>> On 2017-Oct-07, at 2:39 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote:
>> Good collection  start  Al!
>> What  homed  you in  collecting Hallicrafters?
>> 
>> We have various  SW radios at  SMECC  but  I was  really  touched to get  
>> hold of a S-40B  like  I had   in my youth.  Now to put new power supply 
>> capacitors in it  and make  it  Fly.
>> 
>> I imagine there are a number of  folks on list  that like  radios  too as  
>> before we were able to own computer to  do  electronics  with in  the times 
>> of  old  (50s &  60s)  we  ll played  with radios, got ham licenses, 
>> shortwave  listened, got CBs or had a pirate neighborhood radio station!
> 
> SW is dead. The internet killed it.
> 
> You can fix your S-40B but there won't be much to make it fly with.
> 
> There are a couple international broadcasters left, but nothing like it used 
> to be.
> I was an SWL'er as a kid in the 70s, learned a lot about the world.
> Voice of America, Armed Forces Network, Radio Japan, Radio Hilversum Holland, 
> Deutsche Welle, HCJB Voice of the Andes, Radio Prague, Radio Moscow, Radio 
> Peking, BBC, etc., etc., etc.
> Listening to the Cold War play out on the international airwaves.
> 
> Pretty much all gone.  Left between the static are a few religious 
> broadcasters.
> 

Re: A Mystery

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

i aparently would put pennys in the floppy drivers of my parents rainbow
100 when i was a kid for some reason

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Chris Elmquist via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Same kid that put oatmeal in the VCR?
>
> https://youtu.be/25abPjKr06U
>
>
> On October 10, 2017 8:07:47 AM CDT, Rod Smallwood via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >I have in my possession a back plane from a BA23.
> >
> >Somebody has put glue in the last three slots.
> >
> >Can anybody explain that?
> >
> >Rod
>
> --
> Chris Elmquist
>

Re: Types of corrosion on computers

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

water get sprayed on it?


On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 5:06 PM, dwight via cctalk 
wrote:

> Could be the zinc plating?
>
> Dwight
>
>
> 
> From: cctalk  on behalf of Sam O'nella via
> cctalk 
> Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 2:46:40 PM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Types of corrosion on computers
>
> I've seen rust and dust, but there's an old vaxstation II at Goodwill
> Computers in Austin right now (very cheap, anyone welcome to buy it and get
> it off my mind) but as most things, I checked out the back and see some
> circles of white corrosion on the back where the cards? are contacting the
> case.
>
> I don't really have room or time but I don't own anything that uses QBUS or
> is almost related to some of the neat iron some of you all collect (I've
> mostly collected way too many home computer history items).
>
> Anyway, what is that type of white corrosion on metal?  Would one probably
> assume this means any bus would be corroded and this wouldn't be a computer
> for the faint of heart hobbyist? I've only seen that maybe from batteries
> but it's in an unusual place and pattern (I think).
>

Re: RL02 to PC image

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

thers 3d printer files for that i forget where

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:01 PM, John Welch via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Is there a simple cluedge to convert the indicator light on RL02 from one
> number to another?  My RL02 has the "2" and I likely need to change that to
> a "0"
>
> Also, I want to examine the contents of the RL02 and hopefully transfer
> them to the PC to run on SIMH.  Is the windows version of VTServer [
> http://home.windstream.net/engdahl/vtserver.htm ] the right tool for this
> job?
>
>
> Sincerely,
> John Welch
>
>

Re: DEC indicator panel mounting details

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

theres a 3d model for printing those brakets over on this site
http://so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/cad/3d.php

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> > From: Josh Dersch
>
> > the plastic "ball on post" brackets
>
> PS: Apparently the 'official' DEC name for the 'ball on post' plastic
> brackets
> is "latch molding". Not very descriptive/apt, alas.
>
> Noel
>

Re: Miss categorized DEC box on ebay

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

anyone look through what els he has?
someone here might like this
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ROSS-VIDEO-LIMITED-RVS-424-CP-WITH-POWER-SUPPLY-LOADED/301522351826?hash=item463421f6d2:g:yZsAAOSwx-lU2FG5

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I've never seen a blue tinted front cover from DEC.  I've never seen one
> like
> that with screw holes exposed from the front.  And if you look real close
> it
> appears to have little rubber feet on the bottom.
>
> Which still leaves the question of what if anything is inside that box.
> $250
> is a lot to pay for a QBUS backplane and a PSU.  I've paid less for entire
> running systems.
>
> bill
>
> 
> From: cctalk  on behalf of Noel Chiappa
> via cctalk 
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:07 AM
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
> Subject: Re: Miss categorized DEC box on ebay
>
> > From: Bill Gunshannon
>
> > At best, it's a third part QBUS box.
>
> I assume that was 'third party'?
>
> No, that's a real DEC front panel. They could have put that on an off-brand
> chassis, but I would _guess_ not.
>
> (The outer housing I can see looks like the slide-in ones DEC used to hold
> the BA11-N/BA11-S, but I don't recall what the housing for the BA11-M's
> looked like.)
>
> For some reason the BA11-M's seem to have been going for more than the
> BA11-N's. Dunno why, maybe the original LSI-11's have some sort of appeal?
>
> Noel
>

[cctalk] Re: Station wagons (was: Re: Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.)

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

volvo 245 and mercedes w123 wagons were the best tanks for wgons

On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 6:51 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk 
wrote:

> On 6/1/23 16:43, Christian Kennedy via cctalk wrote:
> >
> > On 6/1/23 16:37, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
> >> I'm sorry but Audi does not make a lowly station wagon😲
> >
> > I don't know about that.  My wife's Q7 sure looks like a station wagon
> > to me.
> >
> Mike did say " lowly" station wagon.  For that matter, there's the
> Porsche Taycan Cross.
> The Volvo V90 Cross Country certainly does look like a wagon.
> As does the Mercedes E450 All-Terrain.
>
> Granted, none of them look like a Ford Country Squire, but progress...
>
> --Chuck
>
>

[cctalk] Re: Is the list broken again?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

i see u i hear u

On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 9:42 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
> I doubt this will go thru either but other attempts to send to the list are
>
> now getting rejected as SPAM.  Doesn't the list check addresses to see if
>
> the poster is a member?
>
>
> bill
>
>
>

[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

someone should build it in minecrsft

On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 7:01 PM ben via cctalk 
wrote:

> On 2023-11-20 5:36 p.m., Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
> > On Nov. 15, 1971 Intel commercially released the 4004 microprocessor
> which
> > some consider to be the first. Nonetheless, even if not in agreement, it
> > made possible the instrument which drives the classic-computing industry
> or
> > at the very least our hobby!
> >
> > Happy computing.
> >
> > Murray 🙂
>
>
> https://retrocomputingforum.com/t/swiss-physicist-builds-complete-intel-4004-computer-out-of-smd-transistors/3738
> THE DIY VERSION
>
>

[cctalk] Re: Pick system in Manitoba looking for a new home

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

what is this thing im up in lynn lake be down in wpg in a week witch is 2hr
drive from wpg

On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 3:13 PM Zane Healy via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Jul 24, 2024, at 12:21 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 7/24/24 10:47, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
> >> Would anyone like to rescue a vintage Pick minicomputer in Manitoba,
> Canada?
> >>
> >> https://discuss.systems/@ahelwer/112836345012817998
> >>
> >> «
> >> A wide ask here so please boost: my grandfather is trying to get rid of
> an old business computer, and I was wondering whether any vintage computer
> people might want it. It was purchased for $50k from The Ultimate
> Corporation in the early 80s. This ran the Pick operating system, and my
> best guess is the hardware was originally manufactured by GE or Honeywell.
> It's about the size of a half-rack and currently lives in Brandon,
> Manitoba, Canada. It has sat covered in plastic in a chemical warehouse for
> the past 35 years. Where do people usually post stuff like this other than
> here? Thanks!
> >> »
> >>
> > The card cage has a VERY strong DEC look to it - probably LSI-11.
> >
> > Jon
>
> One of the comments identified it as having a PDP-11/02 CPU.
>
> Zane
>
>
>

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

WaIt someone paid 23k for a asr33?

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 8:03 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Oops phone autocorrect..provenance is the correct term.
> B
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024, 9:01 PM Bill Degnan  wrote:
>
> > I wonder if anyone has done a study of high-profile auction sale prices
> vs
> > apples to apples contemporary sales prices (ebay, etc) of the same item.
> > Paul Allen's [item name] will always sell for more that Joe Schmo's [item
> > name].  Buyer can forever say this was Paul Allen's [item name].  The
> > providence
> >
> > Sorry Joe Schmo, you're items must be sold on Ebay at regular prices.
> > Provenance is everything on the high-end collectibles market.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 12, 2024, 8:30 PM Brent Hilpert via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> This lot-group is closed. Sale prices were insane.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/firsts-history-computing-paul-g-allen-collection/lots/3726
> >> <
> >>
> https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/firsts-history-computing-paul-g-allen-collection/lots/3726
> >> >
> >>
> >> (In my estimation) a few items went for high but maybe-semi-sensible
> >> prices, everything else was stratosphere.
> >>
> >> ASR-33:  24K$   !! ? !!
> >>
> >>
>

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

the

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 9:54 PM Brent Hilpert via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 2024Sep 12,, at 7:24 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 12, 2024, 6:13 PM Adrian Stoness via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> WaIt someone paid 23k for a asr33?
> >
> > Price Realised USD 23,940
> >
> > Does that include the 26% buyer's premium, or is that another $6,224 for
> a
> > total of $30,164 for the ASR33?
> >
> >
> https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/firsts-history-computing-paul-g-allen-collection/teletype-asr-33-110/230048
>
>
>
> My understanding from the friend who has been following things more
> closely, is that is the hammer+house price.
>
>

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

the what? meaning the rich people blowing money price?


On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 10:44 PM Adrian Stoness 
wrote:

> the
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 9:54 PM Brent Hilpert via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2024Sep 12,, at 7:24 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 12, 2024, 6:13 PM Adrian Stoness via cctalk <
>> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> WaIt someone paid 23k for a asr33?
>> >
>> > Price Realised USD 23,940
>> >
>> > Does that include the 26% buyer's premium, or is that another $6,224
>> for a
>> > total of $30,164 for the ASR33?
>> >
>> >
>> https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/firsts-history-computing-paul-g-allen-collection/teletype-asr-33-110/230048
>>
>>
>>
>> My understanding from the friend who has been following things more
>> closely, is that is the hammer+house price.
>>
>>

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

was reading 16million was raised and going to charity or something?? and
that the rest got bought by another museum
https://www.geekwire.com/2024/paul-allen-estate-sells-remaining-living-computers-artifacts-and-systems-to-museum-near-atlanta/?fbclid=IwY2xjawFQd4pleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHZ4m-gu6GjWv35Z7DYzXzTr6N2kKjposlvBibVA928kg1YEsU_JMSN6jNQ_aem_9GK4dxV5ur5VnqqcGMLm9g

On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 11:01 PM cz via cctalk 
wrote:

> > This lot-group is closed. Sale prices were insane.
>
> Well, to be honest 13k for a KS10 plus a TU78 (interesting, forgot they
> had 18 bit fiddlers) and an RM05 isn't too bad. $100k for a KA is a bit
> nuts, and 200k for a KI is like well ok But a KS is actually useful.
>
> As for the rest. All I can think is it was really nice of the
> collector community to essentially donate 3 million worth of
> irreplaceable stuff to Paul Allen's estate. I mean I know we should just
> give rich people more money, but this whole experience was.
>
> Sad.
>
> CZ
>

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

u had one of the nixie tube displays for the evm tape drives? did u get
that off that ukrainian fellow? ive got the m4030 panels he had

On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 8:29 AM cctalk--- via cctalk 
wrote:

> If anyone is curious as to what the CMoA got from me.
>
> http://www.myimagecollection.com/cmoa/
>

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

time flys  still cool stumbling into one as not allot of the soviet stuff
gets seen in NA or in general

On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 10:17 AM cctalk--- via cctalk 
wrote:

> Sorry, my old brain has not retained that information.
>

[cctalk] Re: auction starting in 50 minutes

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

could be 2 people having a pising contest that have money or did it belong
to paul allen or somthing silly

On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 12:39 PM Paul Koning via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> It's curious that the ASR33 went for $24k while the ASR35 "only" fetched
> $3k.  The 35 is less common as well as far more reliable (and heavier).
>
> paul
>
>

Re: SunOS 2.4 Exploit

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

blank email

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 12:30 PM Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
>

Re: Market improving for monitors?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

then theres those of us that take old tvs and make walls of tvs to display
games or animations at parties and such

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:01 PM John Foust via cctalk 
wrote:

>
> On a recent Reddit thread someone claimed that old PC monitors
> and tube TVs are rising in popularity and price due to retro gamers.
>
> Is this true?
>
> I wouldn't want to sell anything on eBay I couldn't hold in
> one hand at arm's length, especially when it comes to packing
> and shipping.
>
> - John
>
>

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

someone should get the source off him and put it out on  the web

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 4:34 PM Mattis Lind via cctalk 
wrote:

> Den fre 7 dec. 2018 kl 23:04 skrev Al Kossow via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>:
>
> >
> >
> > On 12/7/18 1:25 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote:
> > > Anyone has old DECUS distributions?
> >
> > For all intents and purposes, no
> >
> > DECUS threw them out.
> >
>
> Sad.
>
> >
> > About the only thing that survives are the titles that
> > were included on some of the SIG tapes.
> >
> > Working on gathering what parts still survive in individual
> > collections would be a good thing, but I'm not holding my
> > breath for it to happen.
> >
>
> I will check the labels of all the RL01, RL02, RK05 and RK07 packs I have
> to see if there happens to be any DECUS  material on them.
>
> However I found one Bill Seiler in Santa Cruz that is very likely to be the
> very Bill Seiler that wrote the original SPACE WAR for PDP-11. Since he at
> least had the source in 2006 it might be so that he still has it?
>

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

how big were the decus confrinces back in the day?

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

were the decus confrinces ever held in multi level parking garages? keep
hearing a story of one that was so big it took over one. door prize was a
rainbow 100 my dad won in 79 80?? tells me he got a membership when he was
a teen i the early 70's after hanging out with the nasa guys in the 60's in
town who used to run experiments up in northern manitoba

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 2:10 PM emanuel stiebler via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 2018-12-08 13:24, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>
> > name my original DECUS Membership # was
> >
> > 368513.  Don't remember what year  but it was likely mid 80's.
>
> WOW, we were close, mine is 364059
>
> ;-)
>

Re: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

neat you should scan those and put em up on bit savers or somthing

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 3:56 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > were the decus confrinces ever held in multi level parking garages? keep
> > hearing a story of one that was so big it took over one. door prize was a
> > rainbow 100 my dad won in 79 80?? tells me he got a membership when he
> was
> > a teen i the early 70's after hanging out with the nasa guys in the 60's
> in
> > town who used to run experiments up in northern manitoba
>
> Congratulations.  THAT is a great prize!
>
>
> I never attended any confrinces, but a lot of conferences and exhibitions.
>
>
> National Computer Conference was one of the first ones, started in 1951,
> under the name Joint Computer Conference.
> 1968 was Engelbart's "The Mother Of All Demos"
> In 1973, it became National Computer Conference.
> Anaheim in 1983 was a big one.  S'posedly a couple of people died from the
> heat in the "tents" (temporary buildings, because it overflowed the
> convention facilities)
>
>
> CeBIT (Hanover Germany) was the largest.  Started in 1970; ended? in 2018.
> Sorry, I have little or no information about it; I never got a chance to
> go.
>
>
> One of the next early ones was "The West Coast Computer Faire".
> Started by Jim Warren (also known for Silicon Gulch Gazette, and role
> in starting mumerous other publications)  Jim Warren used to roll around
> the show on roller skates.
>
> First one of WCCF was in 1977 in Brooks Hall and Civic Auditorium in San
> Francisco.  It included intro of AppleII and Commodore PET.
>
> (All discussion of "FIRST" between TRS80, Commodore PET, and APPLE2 is
> essentially meaningless, as they were for all practical purposes TIED, and
> "FIRST" is based on WHICH aspect you consider important.)
>
> Second was in San Jose, (1978)
> Third was in Los Angeles, (1978)
> Fourth was back in SF.  (1979) (first one that I exhibited in), and intro
> of VisiCalc
> Fifth (1980) included intro of Microsoft SoftCard
> Sixth (1981) included Osborne 1
> A spin-off was the West Coast PC Faire.
> But, Apple stopped exhibiting at WCCF, and "any show [other than Comdex]
> that also has PC-based exhibits".
> In 1983, Jim Warren sold out to Prentice Hall, who sold to Shelly Adelson
> (Comdex, and Las Vegas hotels).  WCCF declined.
> At "SOG" ("Semi-Official Gathering" put on by Micro-Cornucopia), we
> presented Jim Warren with a pair of skates and told him that it was time
> to put them back on.
> WCCF declined rapidly and ended with 16th in 1991?
>
>
> Comdex started in 1979 (Las Vegas), by Shelly Adelson, and by the mid
> 1980s, Comdex Las Vegas became the largest USA show.
> It filled ALL of the convention halls of all of the hotels that had
> convention halls, with shuttle buses between them (Hilton, Riviera, MGM,
> Sahara, Tropicana, Caesar's Palace, Sands, etc.)
> $39.95 hotel rooms bumped their rates to $140+ and sold out.
> Smallest booth size was 10x10.  But, because of an ERROR in drawing the
> floorplan, a couple of years, I was able to get a 7x7!
> Some, including Microsoft, set up micro-booths within their
> "pavilion" booths to rent out to many small affiliated companies.
> It spun-off Spring Comdex (Atlanta?) and some international shows.
> It declined, and Travel complications for international attendees were BAD
> in 2001 (post 9/11), and the show RAPIDLY declined and closed in 2003.
> I still have some miscellaneous copies of the show guide/directory from a
> number of years.
>
>

Re: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

cool

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 4:21 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk 
wrote:

> >> I still have some miscellaneous copies of the show guide/directory from
> a
> >> number of years.
>
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018, Adrian Stoness wrote:
> > neat you should scan those and put em up on bit savers or somthing
>
> I don't have a suitable scanner, and no longer have my paper shear.
> They are about 6?x8? x 1.5?, with "perfect binding" (like paperback book
> or phonebook)
>
> I no longer have a complete set, (and I never had any of the ones prior to
> 1983) and the ones that are left are scattered in a few locations.
>
>
>
>

Re: Hemp Oil Gummies That Improve Cardiovascular Health

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

simlar chain for me

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 8:29 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk 
wrote:

> Yes.
> I replied to the spam, as shown below, although I switched it from cctech
> to cctalk.
> You replied to me, saying subscribers weren't moderated.  I got that.
> I replied to you, questioning whether hempoil was subscribed.
> You replied to that.   I got that.
> AND, you replied to the one from Michael Mulhern:
> Other than your reply to Michael Mulhern's message, I never
> received the post from Michael Mulhern that you were replying to:
>
> So, my count is:
> 1) Hempoil spam
> 2) my reply
> 3) your reply to me
> 4) my reply to you
> 5) your reply to me
> I NEVER GOT Michael Mulhern's post.
> 7?) your reply to Micheal Mulhern  I got THAT, but not Michael Mulhern's
> post that you were replying to.
> 8) Bill Gunshannon's reply to you
>
> On 12/8/18 4:43 PM, Michael Mulhern wrote:
> > We are the spambot challenge?
> Something like that.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>
> > On 12/8/18 6:44 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> >> And, other than the mention of it by Grant, I never got Michael
> >> Mulhern's message.
> >
> > Um … Fred, I replied to your email, which was itself a reply to the
> > spam message.
> >
> > On 12/8/18 3:10 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> >> WOW!
> >>
> >> That is the first TRULY obviously and unarguably spam post that I've
> >> seen make it past the cctech moderation!
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Grant. . . .
> > unix || die
>

Re: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

ouch that musta cause some chaos.


On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 7:15 AM Stefan Skoglund via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> lör 2018-12-08 klockan 13:56 -0800 skrev Fred Cisin via cctalk:
> >
> >
> > CeBIT (Hanover Germany) was the largest.  Started in 1970; ended? in
> > 2018.
> > Sorry, I have little or no information about it; I never got a chance
> > to go.
>
> Heinz Nixdorf died (heart failure) on the showroom floor in 1986.
>
>

Re: CDC floppy disks on Ebay.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

>
> prolly worth rescueing

Re: CDC floppy disks on Ebay.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

theres a make an offer thing on it why not just use that

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 5:24 PM Al Kossow via cctalk 
wrote:

> I will be bidding on these
>
> On 12/9/18 1:40 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote:
> > Don't know if this worth saving. https://www.ebay.com/itm/283294561797
> >
> > 8 inch CDC disks from 1982. Maybe something interesting?
> >
>
>

anyone seen this 11/70 panel on epay?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

iust noticed this apear on ebay if anyones looking for a 11/70 front panel

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Vintage-DEC-PDP-11-70-DataSystem-570-Computer-Front-Panel-Console-Bezel/323586750740?hash=item4b5745f914:g:V-AAAOSwWXFb55rt:rk:1:pf:0

Re: remove bad yelpMATERIAL INGEST. adams associates COMPUTER CHARACTERISTICS QUARTERLY 1963

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

did ed get hacked?

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 2:05 PM Kyle Owen via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 14:00 ED SHARPE via cctalk  wrote:
>
> >
> > How to Remove Bad Yelp Reviews (and Report Fake Yelp Reviews)MATERIAL
> > INGEST   ADAMS ASSOCIATES   COMPUTER CHARACTERISTICS QUARTERLY 1963
> >
> > HAVE ONE  A  LITTLE  CUTE  LOOKS  AS   NEW POCKET  GUIDEI   SEE ONE
> IN
> > GOOGLE  SCANNED   FROM  67  SO DO NOT KNOW THIS  NEEDS TO BE  OR?
> >
> > ALSO  A  EAI  POCKET  CALENDAR  APPOINTMENT  REMINDER  BUTAS  NEW  NO
> > FASCINATING NOTES  ALAS..
> >
> > ALSO A  67 STOCK HOLDERS AGENDA  SHEET.  PURPLEDITTO   REPRODUCED.
> >
>
> What does this even mean!?
>
> >
>

Re: Public buy/sell/trade

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

how u looked at wordpress?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 9:33 AM Electronics Plus via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> For months I have been trying to implement a "multi-vendor marketplace".
> Without a budget, it is almost impossible. There is a free software,
> Sellacious, which runs off Joomla. Out of the box, it does not work. It has
> MAJOR security holes. However, it was the ONLY one I could find where more
> than one seller could sell the same product. Suppose 5 people have 1391401
> keyboards. In almost every other system, you would have 5 separate
> listings. I wanted something more like Amazon, where the item is listed
> ONCE, and then each seller can set his price and a description of the
> condition, etc.
>
> I am most familiar with Magento, which is what I use. There is a
> multi-vendor add-on available, but the base package is $399, and then you
> go up from there with features, like each seller being able to input his
> own shipping methods/rates and payment methods.
>
> Deskthority donated the space for such a market, and offered to host it,
> but no one has the time to update/maintain it. If it were Magento, I would
> do it, but I don't have $400+ to invest in the extra software (basic
> Magento CE is free).
>
> If someone wants to donate the funds, or write a good working module for
> Magento multi-vendor, I will be happy to set it up an maintain it.
>
> The advantages to Magento are many, but it has a few drawbacks too. You
> can do almost anything with it, but it can be a little slow. The community
> is very active.
>
> There are numerous tiny sites for buying and selling that are not very
> active anymore, and most use a PHP BB type system, which will not let you
> list and buy like a true ecommerce does. It also does not tell you when
> something is out of stock, or allow you to add it to a wishlist.
>
> Cindy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Grant
> Taylor via cctalk
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:07 PM
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Want/Available list
>
> On 12/20/2018 03:46 PM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote:
> > I too want a web forum venue for hunting, acquiring and dispersing
> > vintage computing gear, with a restoration/collector slant, ie not about
> > the money, ie I'm poor, ha ha.  A mailing list is NOT an appropriate
> > context. It has no categories, is ephemeral, chews local storage, has
> > no hot-linking, and demands more real-time attention than I can spare.
>
> Is there really a dearth of satisfactory locations for people to swap /
> trade / buy / sell computer equipment?
>
> I've not seriously looked.  But I feel like this should have been solved
> already.  Maybe it has an the typical places are running people off or
> otherwise unappealing.
>
> What would people want in such a swap-n-shop?
>
> In some ways it's a basic inventory management system, with the ability
> for people to add their own listings.
>
> I feel like the community could likely benefit from an associated forum
> to discuss things without bogging down the business transactions.
>
> I would want it easy to search and find things, or possibly even
> register as being interested in being notified when someone lists
> something for sale in the future.
>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
>
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
>

Re: Public buy/sell/trade

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

north amarican inforcement is most complaint based inforcement. were as
from what i know from friends in europe its proactive in many cases

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 7:23 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 12/21/18 4:49 PM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk wrote:
> > you mean as someone who received a legal threat for a project?  we got
> > one for the DTB website, and it was not nice ...
> >
> > it's one of the reasons why we dropped the experimental-bay since if it
> > involves a little business then things go even worse
>
> I wonder how many things are changing what they do or even not starting
> something new because of GDPR.
>
> > there is a dude in Virginia (US), telling me he can put emails
> > and confidential data (address, phone, etc) in public without any
> > authorization from the owner.
>
> Anybody can do anything they are capable of doing.  The fact that they
> can do it does NOT make it legal to do.  Murder is not legal, yet it
> still happens all over the world.
>
> > I don't know if he is legally allowed do it, but 5 months have already
> > passed without a fine for him ... whereas if you do it in Switzerland
> > or in Italy, you immediately get a legal threat, and/or a fine
>
> Sounds like he is getting lucky.  Or nobody is motivated to stop him yet.
>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
>

straight 8 tape on ebay

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

2 trays of straight 8 tapes have popped up on ebay i see if anyones looking
for this sorta stuff

lhttps://
www.ebay.ca/itm/DEC-PDP-8-assorted-Paper-Tape/332977526273?hash=item4d8701d601:g:LVEAAOSwsftcIrEZ:rk:1:pf:0

Re: straight 8 tape on ebay

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

txs for posting ur link had another tray with tapes for 34$ buy it now

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 1:47 PM Al Kossow via cctalk 
wrote:

> In particular, these are for a Teradyne IC tester
>
> "mjeffs" has been selling trays of tapes for a while, I bought this one
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/283247926027
>
> because it has the source for Brooklyn Poly BASIC, something Richie Lary
> worked on
>
>
> On 12/27/18 9:40 PM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > 2 trays of straight 8 tapes have popped up on ebay i see if anyones
> looking
> > for this sorta stuff
> >
> > lhttps://
> >
> www.ebay.ca/itm/DEC-PDP-8-assorted-Paper-Tape/332977526273?hash=item4d8701d601:g:LVEAAOSwsftcIrEZ:rk:1:pf:0
> >
>
>

Re: Apollo 8 Mission Control printers, or not?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

have u seen the agc being fired up videos

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 6:37 PM Steve Malikoff via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Being the 50th anniversary of the flight of Apollo 8, I was watching a
> newly-uploaded informational film of the mission on Youtube:
> https://youtu.be/83cGclY9OZk?t=1092
>
> At 18:02 and 18:13 there are what appeasr to be small blue/green tabletop
> printers on trolleys positioned next to the consoles.
> They don't have an I/O Selectric form factor but are more like a teletype,
> or something else entirely, in a sound-deadening box.
> There's no platen knob visible and it doesn't look to be fanfold paper (I
> think) so I'm just curious as to any idea what they are?
>
> Steve.
>
>

Re: Original AGC restoration / was Re: Apollo 8 Mission Control printers, or not?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

amazing how well they built that stuff though

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 11:00 PM Brent Hilpert via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 2018-Dec-28, at 4:43 PM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > have u seen the agc being fired up videos
>
>
> Yes, videos from list member curiousMarc :
> Episode 1:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KSahAoOLdU
>
> He's up to Episode 5, the others should show up in subsequent links from
> the 1st.
>
> Lucky bunch of guys to have the opportunity (although I can't say I'd want
> to be stuck in a congested hotel room like that for the task).
>
>

Re: Original AGC restoration / was Re: Apollo 8 Mission Control printers, or not?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

think that core pack will ever live again?

music dec tapes? (paper)

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

anyone seen these music tapes before i grabed  this trays for the oddnes of
the content of these tapes? also apears to have the software to play them?

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lot-of-15-digital-decus-Paper-Tapes-w-Case/273628629483?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lot-of-8-digital-decus-Paper-Tapes-w-Case/273628539210?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

would this be some weird synthy type thing?
control points for the sound boaerd used for automation on some fancy desk?
or somthing els?

Re: HP HP HP !! PING THE CURATOR AT HPMUSEUM IN OZ ED SHARPE TRYING TO REACH U MAKESURE AOL GOES THRU

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

but u didnt say hello world

tracometer model 6a

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

anyone ever herd of one? mines searial number 002
says national research councle of canada made by eda electronics

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5723/Bnz2VF.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/6783/nHesKB.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/5776/wimiv2.jpg

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

what end of canada its a big country


On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 2:07 AM ben via cctalk 
wrote:

> I am building a project that needs to use a Stand alone dumb terminal
> like a VT 52 or Similar. Alas I can't find any low cost Hardware
> Solutions here in Canada. Low cost with shipping under is $150 Canadian
> for me.Software terminal emulation is just a stop gap fix.
> Any ideas out there. Even a better search keyword than "dumb terminal"
> would help. Ben.
>
>