Re: TK50/TK70 Info

[Holm Tiffe]

Jochen Kunz wrote:

> Am 28.08.15 um 06:39 schrieb Mark J. Blair:
> > I have very limited experience with this family of drives so far, but what 
> > little I have is not good. Pictures:
> > 
> > https://twitter.com/nf6x/status/617511461452013568
> > 
> > https://twitter.com/nf6x/status/617519989721923584
> I had the exact same problem a few years ago. Tape sticks to head...
> I wanted to use 9 track instead of TK50, but those tapes where
> unreliable too. I finally gave up on tapes, any tape technology, as the
> media has deteriorated into uselessness.
> -- 
> 
> tschüß,
>Jochen


Hmm... TK50 and 9 Track reels are pretty old, but I have good results
with "newer" Quarter Inch drives (with 525MB and above) and the DLT IVs
are working pretty good to.

There is no 100% reliable technology..

Regards,

Holm

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Re: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

[Todd Goodman]

* Ali  [150901 01:24]:
> I know this is a topic that comes up quite often and I have archived a
> number of threads. However, I am still not finding what I need. The back
> story is that I need to have a desk shipped across the country to me. The
> desk measures 28" long, 27" wide, 35" tall and is ~125 pounds unpacked.
> While it is possible to disassemble the desk I rather not.
> 
> I've gotten quotes form a number of outfits as follows:
> 
> 1. UPS: $1200 to pack/crate the desk and ship it.
> 2. Craters and Freighters: $895 to wrap in PE Foam, Styrofoam, bubble wrap,
> and box shipped door to door (i.e. not real freight).
> 3. Freightquote: $475 if I palletize it/pack it myself (have to clarify if
> this is door to door or do I have to drop off and pickup). 
> 
> Anybody else have other suggestions/recommendations? From what I understand
> this desk is not that heavy (in the freighting scheme of things) and would
> easily fit on one pallet and maybe even a half pallet. But I've never
> shipped something via freight so maybe these are all accurate prices. Any
> help/guidance is very much appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -Ali

I'm not surprised by those quotes (and Freightquote is in the ballpark
for pallet loads that can't be top-loaded.)

You could try uship.com but be very careful you fully specify everything
you want and don't expect anything you don't agree with (like must be
shipped inside or tarped, if you can't load/unload then they need to do
so, etc.)

Freight companies will pick up and drop off from your location but if
it's residential then usually on the street (it's up to you to get it
on and off the truck usually.)  This is because they usually send an
18-wheeler.

If it's residential then you need to tell them that and you'll pay more
(generally about $75 more in my experience.)  This is so they'll send a
liftgate truck and will call to make a delivery appt.

Otherwise they expect you to have a loading dock or forklift for
loading/unloading and sometimes will just show up at the address for
delivery and then charge more to redeliver.

Even with a liftgate you'll still be responsible for getting it from the
street to wherever it's going.  You can count on the truck having a
pallet jack so they can usually stick it on the end of your driveway if
you've paid for the liftgate.

It sounds worse than it is as long as you're prepared to do that.

Sometimes it's better to pick up/drop off at a depot since they can
generally load it into or off a pickup truck or trailer there and then
you only have to worry about getting it on/off the truck or trailer.

Todd

Re: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

[Peter Cetinski]

Have you looked at https://www.uship.com?   It’s kind 
of like crowdsourced shipping.  The quality of service can vary but shippers 
are encouraged to offer good service due to a ratings system.  If you’re lucky 
you’ll find a shipper already taking your route for another shipment and you 
can get a good deal.

> On Sep 1, 2015, at 1:23 AM, Ali  wrote:
> 
> I know this is a topic that comes up quite often and I have archived a
> number of threads. However, I am still not finding what I need. The back
> story is that I need to have a desk shipped across the country to me. The
> desk measures 28" long, 27" wide, 35" tall and is ~125 pounds unpacked.
> While it is possible to disassemble the desk I rather not.
> 
> I've gotten quotes form a number of outfits as follows:
> 
> 1. UPS: $1200 to pack/crate the desk and ship it.
> 2. Craters and Freighters: $895 to wrap in PE Foam, Styrofoam, bubble wrap,
> and box shipped door to door (i.e. not real freight).
> 3. Freightquote: $475 if I palletize it/pack it myself (have to clarify if
> this is door to door or do I have to drop off and pickup). 
> 
> Anybody else have other suggestions/recommendations? From what I understand
> this desk is not that heavy (in the freighting scheme of things) and would
> easily fit on one pallet and maybe even a half pallet. But I've never
> shipped something via freight so maybe these are all accurate prices. Any
> help/guidance is very much appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -Ali
> 

Re: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

[Cory Heisterkamp]

What Todd is suggesting sounds a lot like youcrate.com. They were an
economical alternative for a while (friends have used them several times)
but in the last 24 months their prices escalated beyond reason. They pick
up the pallet and they drop off the pallet but it's up to you to handle the
rest.

I've had two experiences with uship, both positive. One as a seller of a
roundie color TV, and one as a buyer of a 1961 washer/dryer combination
machine. In both cases the transport was by pickup truck cross-country.
With collector car shipping reaching ridiculous prices, guys with duallies
and car trailers are finding an untapped market and their truck beds are
usually empty  -C

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Peter Cetinski  wrote:

> Have you looked at https://www.uship.com?   It’s
> kind of like crowdsourced shipping.  The quality of service can vary but
> shippers are encouraged to offer good service due to a ratings system.  If
> you’re lucky you’ll find a shipper already taking your route for another
> shipment and you can get a good deal.
>
> > On Sep 1, 2015, at 1:23 AM, Ali  wrote:
> >
> > I know this is a topic that comes up quite often and I have archived a
> > number of threads. However, I am still not finding what I need. The back
> > story is that I need to have a desk shipped across the country to me. The
> > desk measures 28" long, 27" wide, 35" tall and is ~125 pounds unpacked.
> > While it is possible to disassemble the desk I rather not.
> >
> > I've gotten quotes form a number of outfits as follows:
> >
> > 1. UPS: $1200 to pack/crate the desk and ship it.
> > 2. Craters and Freighters: $895 to wrap in PE Foam, Styrofoam, bubble
> wrap,
> > and box shipped door to door (i.e. not real freight).
> > 3. Freightquote: $475 if I palletize it/pack it myself (have to clarify
> if
> > this is door to door or do I have to drop off and pickup).
> >
> > Anybody else have other suggestions/recommendations? From what I
> understand
> > this desk is not that heavy (in the freighting scheme of things) and
> would
> > easily fit on one pallet and maybe even a half pallet. But I've never
> > shipped something via freight so maybe these are all accurate prices. Any
> > help/guidance is very much appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > -Ali
> >
>
>

Re: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

[Rod Smallwood]

If its a desk then its furniture. So go to the experts.
Look for home contents movers with an empty backhaul.

 Rod


On 01/09/2015 14:23, Cory Heisterkamp wrote:

What Todd is suggesting sounds a lot like youcrate.com. They were an
economical alternative for a while (friends have used them several times)
but in the last 24 months their prices escalated beyond reason. They pick
up the pallet and they drop off the pallet but it's up to you to handle the
rest.

I've had two experiences with uship, both positive. One as a seller of a
roundie color TV, and one as a buyer of a 1961 washer/dryer combination
machine. In both cases the transport was by pickup truck cross-country.
With collector car shipping reaching ridiculous prices, guys with duallies
and car trailers are finding an untapped market and their truck beds are
usually empty  -C

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Peter Cetinski  wrote:


Have you looked at https://www.uship.com?   It’s
kind of like crowdsourced shipping.  The quality of service can vary but
shippers are encouraged to offer good service due to a ratings system.  If
you’re lucky you’ll find a shipper already taking your route for another
shipment and you can get a good deal.


On Sep 1, 2015, at 1:23 AM, Ali  wrote:

I know this is a topic that comes up quite often and I have archived a
number of threads. However, I am still not finding what I need. The back
story is that I need to have a desk shipped across the country to me. The
desk measures 28" long, 27" wide, 35" tall and is ~125 pounds unpacked.
While it is possible to disassemble the desk I rather not.

I've gotten quotes form a number of outfits as follows:

1. UPS: $1200 to pack/crate the desk and ship it.
2. Craters and Freighters: $895 to wrap in PE Foam, Styrofoam, bubble

wrap,

and box shipped door to door (i.e. not real freight).
3. Freightquote: $475 if I palletize it/pack it myself (have to clarify

if

this is door to door or do I have to drop off and pickup).

Anybody else have other suggestions/recommendations? From what I

understand

this desk is not that heavy (in the freighting scheme of things) and

would

easily fit on one pallet and maybe even a half pallet. But I've never
shipped something via freight so maybe these are all accurate prices. Any
help/guidance is very much appreciated.

Thanks.

-Ali

Re: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

[Todd Goodman]

Hi Cory,

Actually what I'm describing is every freight company I've dealt with
(probably ten different companies in all.)

I've also used uship and was mostly happy (which is about as good as my
freight shipping experiences get.)  I didn't specify that the load
needed to be inside or tarped and I ended up with a forklift and battery
charger covered in road salt (shipped from the midwest to northeast in
the winter time.)

Todd

* Cory Heisterkamp  [150901 09:23]:
> What Todd is suggesting sounds a lot like youcrate.com. They were an
> economical alternative for a while (friends have used them several times)
> but in the last 24 months their prices escalated beyond reason. They pick
> up the pallet and they drop off the pallet but it's up to you to handle the
> rest.
> 
> I've had two experiences with uship, both positive. One as a seller of a
> roundie color TV, and one as a buyer of a 1961 washer/dryer combination
> machine. In both cases the transport was by pickup truck cross-country.
> With collector car shipping reaching ridiculous prices, guys with duallies
> and car trailers are finding an untapped market and their truck beds are
> usually empty  -C
> 
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Peter Cetinski  wrote:
> 
> > Have you looked at https://www.uship.com?   It’s
> > kind of like crowdsourced shipping.  The quality of service can vary but
> > shippers are encouraged to offer good service due to a ratings system.  If
> > you’re lucky you’ll find a shipper already taking your route for another
> > shipment and you can get a good deal.
> >
> > > On Sep 1, 2015, at 1:23 AM, Ali  wrote:
> > >
> > > I know this is a topic that comes up quite often and I have archived a
> > > number of threads. However, I am still not finding what I need. The back
> > > story is that I need to have a desk shipped across the country to me. The
> > > desk measures 28" long, 27" wide, 35" tall and is ~125 pounds unpacked.
> > > While it is possible to disassemble the desk I rather not.
> > >
> > > I've gotten quotes form a number of outfits as follows:
> > >
> > > 1. UPS: $1200 to pack/crate the desk and ship it.
> > > 2. Craters and Freighters: $895 to wrap in PE Foam, Styrofoam, bubble
> > wrap,
> > > and box shipped door to door (i.e. not real freight).
> > > 3. Freightquote: $475 if I palletize it/pack it myself (have to clarify
> > if
> > > this is door to door or do I have to drop off and pickup).
> > >
> > > Anybody else have other suggestions/recommendations? From what I
> > understand
> > > this desk is not that heavy (in the freighting scheme of things) and
> > would
> > > easily fit on one pallet and maybe even a half pallet. But I've never
> > > shipped something via freight so maybe these are all accurate prices. Any
> > > help/guidance is very much appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > -Ali
> > >
> >
> >

Re: MEM11 Status Update

[Ethan Dicks]

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 1:08 AM, Guy Sotomayor  wrote:
> The MEM11 is a multi-function memory board for Unibus based PDP-11
> computers.  It contains:
>
>  * 128KW memory
>  * Emulates console ROM & boot ROMs
>  * 2 SLUs (DL11s)
>  * KW11K
>  * KW11P
>  * KW11L
>  * KW11W
>  * RF11 (emulating up to 8 RS11 disks)
>  * KE11

Nice collection of features!

> The main objective is to provide the memory and I/O necessary
> to be able to run Unix V1

I am very interested in the MEM11 for this exact reason.  I have a
PDP-11/20 that I'd love to do this with.

According to http://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/various/ancient/index.html
Unix v1 requires/supports:

"32K, RF-11 + RK03 disks, KE11A module [extended arithmetic element
for multiply/divide], DC-11 8 TTYs, TC-11 DECTape"

I haven't dug through the device driver code, but I expect that the RK
driver would support either the RK11-C (Flip Chips) or the RK11-D
(M7254, M7255, M7256 and M7257) since AFAIK they are
register-compatible.  I have both, but the RK11-D has been tested/used
(the RK11-C has a lot of parts and a lot of connections to corrode).

At least an RK11-D and one or more RK05s is a lot easier to find than,
say, an RF11.

-ethan

RE: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

[Ali]

> If its a desk then its furniture. So go to the experts.
> Look for home contents movers with an empty backhaul.

Rod,

Any suggestions or aggregate web sites I can look at? Or do I need to just look 
for house movers and go from there?

-Ali

RE: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

[Ali]

> Have you looked at https://www.uship.com? 
> It’s kind of like crowdsourced shipping.  The quality of service can
> vary 

Peter,

They are my last resort for that exact reason.

-Ali

RE: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

[Ali]

> I'm not surprised by those quotes (and Freightquote is in the ballpark
> for pallet loads that can't be top-loaded.)

Okay, good to know I am not getting fleeced. I am actually okay with
FreightQuote but the problem is the seller is very hesitant to palletize the
item. If I can get him to get it on a pallet that might be the best. 

> You could try uship.com but be very careful you fully specify
> everything you want and don't expect anything you don't agree with
> (like must be shipped inside or tarped, if you can't load/unload then
> they need to do so, etc.)

I've been a bit hesitant going to uship because of the damn AMC show. I
understand they probably have some of the bigger idiots on the show but the
things they do is just amazingly idiotic... With them do I need to worry
about having a dock or delivery to door or is that expected? I would specify
"no top load, in cab or covered for the total duration of transport,
strapped so it does not roll/move, and no loading/unloading." Anything else
that I should worry about?

> Freight companies will pick up and drop off from your location but if
> it's residential then usually on the street (it's up to you to get it
> on and off the truck usually.)  This is because they usually send an
> 18-wheeler.

It is not so heavy that we cannot bring it off the truck with myself and the
driver (assuming they do that). I can then just use a dolly from the street
or roll it on its built in wheels.


> If it's residential then you need to tell them that and you'll pay more
> (generally about $75 more in my experience.)  This is so they'll send a
> liftgate truck and will call to make a delivery appt.

I can do either (i.e. residential vs. business) but as I said we do not have
a dock at the business either. Of course there are three or four works
available at any time to just manually unload it if they will let us.


Thanks for all the advice Todd.

-Ali

Re: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

[Mark J. Blair]

I've quoted through FreightQuote a few times, and generally paid about 
$300-$450 for a single pallet, cross country, with will-call pickup at a local 
freight terminal. If you choose to pick up at the terminal, show up with a 
vehicle that they will be able to load with a forklift. Results may vary 
depending on the freight company that you choose to handle the load.

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X 
http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

[Todd Killingsworth]

You could always try North American Van Lines (NAVL).  They normally do
household moves, but they also do a lot of "one-of" moves for the pinball
hobby.  They're already experienced with furniture, and no question of it
being hauled outside of a closed tractor trailer.

Todd Killingsworth

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Ali  wrote:

> > I'm not surprised by those quotes (and Freightquote is in the ballpark
> > for pallet loads that can't be top-loaded.)
>
> Okay, good to know I am not getting fleeced. I am actually okay with
> FreightQuote but the problem is the seller is very hesitant to palletize
> the
> item. If I can get him to get it on a pallet that might be the best.
>
> > You could try uship.com but be very careful you fully specify
> > everything you want and don't expect anything you don't agree with
> > (like must be shipped inside or tarped, if you can't load/unload then
> > they need to do so, etc.)
>
> I've been a bit hesitant going to uship because of the damn AMC show. I
> understand they probably have some of the bigger idiots on the show but the
> things they do is just amazingly idiotic... With them do I need to worry
> about having a dock or delivery to door or is that expected? I would
> specify
> "no top load, in cab or covered for the total duration of transport,
> strapped so it does not roll/move, and no loading/unloading." Anything else
> that I should worry about?
>
> > Freight companies will pick up and drop off from your location but if
> > it's residential then usually on the street (it's up to you to get it
> > on and off the truck usually.)  This is because they usually send an
> > 18-wheeler.
>
> It is not so heavy that we cannot bring it off the truck with myself and
> the
> driver (assuming they do that). I can then just use a dolly from the street
> or roll it on its built in wheels.
>
>
> > If it's residential then you need to tell them that and you'll pay more
> > (generally about $75 more in my experience.)  This is so they'll send a
> > liftgate truck and will call to make a delivery appt.
>
> I can do either (i.e. residential vs. business) but as I said we do not
> have
> a dock at the business either. Of course there are three or four works
> available at any time to just manually unload it if they will let us.
>
>
> Thanks for all the advice Todd.
>
> -Ali
>
>

Re: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

[Todd Goodman]

* Ali  [150901 11:22]:
> > I'm not surprised by those quotes (and Freightquote is in the ballpark
> > for pallet loads that can't be top-loaded.)
> 
> Okay, good to know I am not getting fleeced. I am actually okay with
> FreightQuote but the problem is the seller is very hesitant to palletize the
> item. If I can get him to get it on a pallet that might be the best. 

Yeah, that's the tough part.  Also if someone has never done it before I
get concerned about how well they do it (will they strap it to the
pallet or just set it on top maybe with some shrink wrap to hold it
down?  Will they put cardboard around it all?  Will they cover the top?
etc.)

> 
> > You could try uship.com but be very careful you fully specify
> > everything you want and don't expect anything you don't agree with
> > (like must be shipped inside or tarped, if you can't load/unload then
> > they need to do so, etc.)
> 
> I've been a bit hesitant going to uship because of the damn AMC show. I
> understand they probably have some of the bigger idiots on the show but the
> things they do is just amazingly idiotic... With them do I need to worry
> about having a dock or delivery to door or is that expected? I would specify
> "no top load, in cab or covered for the total duration of transport,
> strapped so it does not roll/move, and no loading/unloading." Anything else
> that I should worry about?

I've seen the show.  It's a show and what they show is for the show.  I
mean really, would you go with someone with a half star feedback rating
versus five stars to save $5???

I've only gone the uship route a couple times and both times the
companies were professional shipping companies.

In both cases they expected the same kind of deal as the freight
companies I've dealt with.  Tractor-trailer on the street and you get it
on/off yourself of have made arrangements with them beforehand.

I believe it's "top load only" (i.e., only put this on top of other
things or the ground, don't put anything on top of it.)

Inside or tarped.

I can't imagine a shipper not strapping it down adequately as it's a
huge safety issue if not.

When I shipped a forklift the person I selected from uship was willing
to arrange for a rolltop wrecker (to get the forklift off the trailer
and winched to the ground on delivery.)  At the pickup the person I
bought it from had a forklift that they managed to use to get it up on
the trailer.

So just make sure you're clear on everything you need.

When a shipper bids you can ask them questions too and it's in their
best interest to be responsive at that point (since you haven't selected
the shipper yet.)  Although the two companies I've used were very
responsive and communicative after I selected them too.

I can't think of anything else to worry about offhand.  Maybe others
have more things to worry about?  :-)

> 
> > Freight companies will pick up and drop off from your location but if
> > it's residential then usually on the street (it's up to you to get it
> > on and off the truck usually.)  This is because they usually send an
> > 18-wheeler.
> 
> It is not so heavy that we cannot bring it off the truck with myself and the
> driver (assuming they do that). I can then just use a dolly from the street
> or roll it on its built in wheels.

Most drivers I've dealt with have been pretty nice and helpful.  Though
I'm not sure they'd all help lift it off the truck.

> 
> 
> > If it's residential then you need to tell them that and you'll pay more
> > (generally about $75 more in my experience.)  This is so they'll send a
> > liftgate truck and will call to make a delivery appt.
> 
> I can do either (i.e. residential vs. business) but as I said we do not have
> a dock at the business either. Of course there are three or four works
> available at any time to just manually unload it if they will let us.

Residential seems to trigger both the call to schedule the delivery appt
as well as the liftgate but I'm sure if you talk to the shipper about it
they'll tell you which way you have to go for what you need.

They'll likely let you lift it off the back of the truck yourself (at
least when I've received things at a business with no loading dock or
forklift freight company that time let us.)

> 
> 
> Thanks for all the advice Todd.

I hope it all works out OK and let us know how it goes!

Todd

> 
> -Ali

Re: Advice about repairing an IBM 5151

[Vlad Stamate]

On 1 September 2015 at 00:54, tony duell  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I traced the 18Khz signal all the way from the moment it enters the
>> logic board until the video board (attached to the neck of the CRT).
>> The signal is there (it has different shapes but it is 18KHz). The
>
> No, that is a different 18kHz signal. That is the video, which will
> have a significant component at the horizontal frequency. It
> starts from pins 6 (intensity) and 7 (video) of the DE9 connector
>

Oh, I think I understand now Video is different than horizontal board.

> You need to trace on from pin 8 to transistors on the main board,
> right up to the flyback transformer.
>
I did. The 18KHz signal is present when it enters the board from the
wire, it is also present on the collector of the following 2
transistors (the TR21 and TR22 which are part of the brightness
limiter and horizontal driver respectively), also at the output of the
T501 transformer and at the collector of the TR23 transistor (which is
labeled as Horizontal out). I then traced at every pin until the
flyback transformer input (pin 4). According to the schematic and the
board it seems that is the signal path from the moment it enters the
logic board until it reaches the flyback transformer.

However the flyback transformer is definitely not outputting the
voltages it is supposed to, as the manual tells me to measure 56.8V at
the cathode of diode D504 which is basically connected to the output
pin 6 of the flyback transformer and I only measure few mV.

Could a winding of the FBT be burned somehow?

Regards,
Vlad.
> -tony

RE: Advice about repairing an IBM 5151

[tony duell]

> > You need to trace on from pin 8 to transistors on the main board,
> > right up to the flyback transformer.
> >
> I did. The 18KHz signal is present when it enters the board from the
> wire, it is also present on the collector of the following 2
> transistors (the TR21 and TR22 which are part of the brightness
> limiter and horizontal driver respectively), also at the output of the
> T501 transformer and at the collector of the TR23 transistor (which is
> labeled as Horizontal out). I then traced at every pin until the
> flyback transformer input (pin 4). According to the schematic and the
> board it seems that is the signal path from the moment it enters the
> logic board until it reaches the flyback transformer.

What do you see on the collector of TR23, which should be a small power
transitor (TO220 package I think). If it's working properly there would be some
very high voltage spikes (kV) there, but under these conditions probably not. 
What
is the average DC voltage there?


> However the flyback transformer is definitely not outputting the
> voltages it is supposed to, as the manual tells me to measure 56.8V at
> the cathode of diode D504 which is basically connected to the output
> pin 6 of the flyback transformer and I only measure few mV.
> 
> Could a winding of the FBT be burned somehow?

Could be, You have a schematic, the flyback windings should be very
low resistances. Check them with the ohmmeter.

-tony

Re: MEM11 Status Update

[Jay Jaeger]

On 9/1/2015 10:01 AM, Ethan Dicks wrote:

> 
>> The main objective is to provide the memory and I/O necessary
>> to be able to run Unix V1
> 
> I am very interested in the MEM11 for this exact reason.  I have a
> PDP-11/20 that I'd love to do this with.
> 

You could also try Mini-Unix on your 11/20, which might support a wider
range of devices.

http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/usdl/Mini-Unix/

Re: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

[jwsmobile]

On 9/1/2015 8:22 AM, Ali wrote:

I'm not surprised by those quotes (and Freightquote is in the ballpark
for pallet loads that can't be top-loaded.)

Okay, good to know I am not getting fleeced. I am actually okay with
FreightQuote but the problem is the seller is very hesitant to palletize the
item. If I can get him to get it on a pallet that might be the best.


You could try uship.com but be very careful you fully specify
everything you want and don't expect anything you don't agree with
(like must be shipped inside or tarped, if you can't load/unload then
they need to do so, etc.)

I've been a bit hesitant going to uship because of the damn AMC show. I
understand they probably have some of the bigger idiots on the show but the
things they do is just amazingly idiotic... With them do I need to worry
about having a dock or delivery to door or is that expected? I would specify
"no top load, in cab or covered for the total duration of transport,
strapped so it does not roll/move, and no loading/unloading." Anything else
that I should worry about?


Freight companies will pick up and drop off from your location but if
it's residential then usually on the street (it's up to you to get it
on and off the truck usually.)  This is because they usually send an
18-wheeler.

It is not so heavy that we cannot bring it off the truck with myself and the
driver (assuming they do that). I can then just use a dolly from the street
or roll it on its built in wheels.

The driver won't do it.  And they won't be happy if you are not there 
ready to move when they come by.


The freight companies have entirely different divisions or companies 
that deliver from freight terminals to terminus locations and the 
drivers who run the trucks are just charged with moving the trailers 
from terminals to terminals or as he says here, sometimes other 
locations.  But they usually want dock high places to unload, and seldom 
will leave trailers for you to unload (if you have a full trailer).


If you can get it palletized and delivered to a freight terminal at the 
far end, and want to save a buck on the shipping and control that 
youself, look for a "Less than load" quote from the larger lines, like 
YRC and ABF and the like.  At your end you will get the unit at the 
nearest freight terminal for the line you choose.  I have a google maps 
link to one in Orange California I've used.  They won't hold your 
delivery there long, but there are usually ways to get a pallet either 
onto another dock high vehicle, they frequently have a pickup truck high 
dock, or the will have ramps down to ground level you can go to and load 
onto a lift gate truck, or whatever.


look at the google search for "abf freight less than load" page and it 
will make quotes for you to examine the rates.  You'll have to guess or 
know the weight, but you should already know the locations.  The extra 
you need at the shipping end is the outfit to pick up the desk, and band 
it on a pallet.  Make sure they will shield it properly as if they band 
it as they should have to, it will make big spots in the finish if not 
done correctly.


And when you get the freight quote make sure you make it clear it can't 
be stacked.  They can't always make provisions to put in a LTL item on 
the top of the truck.


Remember you are dealing with multiple entities here the local delivery 
place at the far end, the freight line, then your delivery service, 
which you will do yourself possibly.


thanks
Jim

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7982243,-117.8756655,18z/data=!3m1!1e3

Here is the ABF LTL site.

http://www.abfs.com/services/ltlfreight/


If it's residential then you need to tell them that and you'll pay more
(generally about $75 more in my experience.)  This is so they'll send a
liftgate truck and will call to make a delivery appt.

I can do either (i.e. residential vs. business) but as I said we do not have
a dock at the business either. Of course there are three or four works
available at any time to just manually unload it if they will let us.


Thanks for all the advice Todd.

-Ali

Re: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi Ali
  It was just an idea - I am located in the UK - distances are 
shorter and rates different.
We have a lot of "white (ie unmarked) van men" who are keen to do 
anything that can be done in a day.



Rod Smallwood


On 01/09/2015 16:22, Ali wrote:

If its a desk then its furniture. So go to the experts.
Look for home contents movers with an empty backhaul.

Rod,

Any suggestions or aggregate web sites I can look at? Or do I need to just look 
for house movers and go from there?

-Ali

Re: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

[Craig Solomonson]

My other hobby is antique "hit and miss gas engines." Most collectors in
this hobby use "Fastenal Third Party Logistics (3PL)". I recently had an
engine that fit on a 4' x 4' pallet and weighed 1200 pounds shipped from
Kentucky to Minnesota for $200. Fastenal has stores all over the U.S. and
daily freight deliveries. They take on other freight when room is
available. You are responsible for crating the item and placing on a
pallet. I think my last delivery took about a week to complete. Their
stores are equipped with loading docks and forklifts so it is rather
convenient. You can go their website and see if they have service for your
area and get a quote:
https://www.fastenal.com/en/22/third-party-logistics-(3pl)

Craig

On Tue, September 1, 2015 12:23 am, Ali wrote:
> I know this is a topic that comes up quite often and I have archived a
> number of threads. However, I am still not finding what I need. The back
> story is that I need to have a desk shipped across the country to me. The
>  desk measures 28" long, 27" wide, 35" tall and is ~125 pounds unpacked.
> While it is possible to disassemble the desk I rather not.
>
>
> I've gotten quotes form a number of outfits as follows:
>
>
> 1. UPS: $1200 to pack/crate the desk and ship it.
> 2. Craters and Freighters: $895 to wrap in PE Foam, Styrofoam, bubble
> wrap, and box shipped door to door (i.e. not real freight). 3.
> Freightquote: $475 if I palletize it/pack it myself (have to clarify if
> this is door to door or do I have to drop off and pickup).
>
> Anybody else have other suggestions/recommendations? From what I
> understand this desk is not that heavy (in the freighting scheme of
> things) and would easily fit on one pallet and maybe even a half pallet.
> But I've never
> shipped something via freight so maybe these are all accurate prices. Any
> help/guidance is very much appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> -Ali
>
>
>

Re: Somewhat OT: Freighting Items

[Sean Caron]

I don't know how uptight your place of employment is (or if you're retired)
but if you're friendly with the dockmaster or mail room staff at your
office building, it can be worth having a little chat with them to see if
you can just arrange to have palletized freight shipped to your office;
take advantage of the infrastructure there to get it off the truck, then
you can break down the pallet over lunch, or after hours into chunks that
will fit into your personal vehicle. I've done this and it's worked out
great ... I wouldn't make a habit of it, but for a one-off thing and a
comparatively small pallet, they were happy to hold it for me and give me a
call. I don't know what the companies charge for liftgate service but if
you want to run a palletized LTL and you can receive at a dock on your end,
it should end up costing you roughly a dollar a pound or so for the transit.

Best,

Sean


On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Rod Smallwood <
rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Hi Ali
>   It was just an idea - I am located in the UK - distances are
> shorter and rates different.
> We have a lot of "white (ie unmarked) van men" who are keen to do anything
> that can be done in a day.
>
>
> Rod Smallwood
>
>
>
> On 01/09/2015 16:22, Ali wrote:
>
>> If its a desk then its furniture. So go to the experts.
>>> Look for home contents movers with an empty backhaul.
>>>
>> Rod,
>>
>> Any suggestions or aggregate web sites I can look at? Or do I need to
>> just look for house movers and go from there?
>>
>> -Ali
>>
>>
>

Re: Advice about repairing an IBM 5151

[Vlad Stamate]

On 1 September 2015 at 10:59, tony duell  wrote:
>
>
> What do you see on the collector of TR23, which should be a small power
> transitor (TO220 package I think). If it's working properly there would be 
> some
> very high voltage spikes (kV) there, but under these conditions probably not. 
> What
> is the average DC voltage there?

Hmm, you are right, I am not seeing any spikes in voltage there. On
the collector of the TR23 all I am getting as DC voltage is around
110mV. The oscilloscope tells me I am getting Vpp of about 4.4V with
Vmax at 2.6V and Vmin at -1.8V and an average of 105mV (which matches
what my multimeter tells me too).

That sounds too low doesn't it?

>
> Could be, You have a schematic, the flyback windings should be very
> low resistances. Check them with the ohmmeter.
>

I did measure the resistances across pins of the flyback transformer
on the same windings and I am getting (what I think are) good results:
1 or 2.2 Ohms (for the 2 windings left and right, not the upper one,
as I do not want to touch the high voltage stuff for now).

> -tony

RE: Advice about repairing an IBM 5151

[tony duell]

>
> Hmm, you are right, I am not seeing any spikes in voltage there. On
> the collector of the TR23 all I am getting as DC voltage is around
> 110mV. The oscilloscope tells me I am getting Vpp of about 4.4V with
> Vmax at 2.6V and Vmin at -1.8V and an average of 105mV (which matches
> what my multimeter tells me too).
> 
> That sounds too low doesn't it?

That is far too low. 

Firstly, there should be a 12V or so feed to one pin on the flyback primary
winding (the winding that links to the collector of TR23). Is that present and 
correct? What about other components connected to that winding.

Are you sure TR23 is good. The horizontal output transistor in many monitors
often fails.

-tony

MicroVAX 3800 DSSI Issues

[Kyle Owen]

I can boot to VAX/VMS 5.4-2, but on startup, I see this message:

%DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening DUB0:[RS1R4]RS1LOG.COM; as input
-RMS-E-DNR, device not ready, not mounted, or unavailable
%DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening DUB0:[ORACLES]ORAUSER.COM; as input
-RMS-E-DNR, device not ready, not mounted, or unavailable
%DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening DUB0:[ECMS4]LOGIN.COM; as input
-RMS-E-DNR, device not ready, not mounted, or unavailable

Okay, so DUB0: isn't mounted, I guess.

ROHIT1$ show dev

Device  Device   ErrorVolume Free
 Trans Mnt
 Name   Status   Count LabelBlocks
Count Cnt
R7CY2A$DIA0:Mounted  0  VMS54_2DISK 173289
134   1
ROHIT1$DUB0:Online   0
ROHIT1$DUB1:Online   0
ROHIT1$DUC10:   Online   0

Device  Device   ErrorVolume Free
 Trans Mnt
 Name   Status   Count LabelBlocks
Count Cnt
ROHIT1$MUA0:Online   0

Device  Device   Error
 Name   Status   Count
FTA0:   Offline  0
OPA0:   Online   0
TWA0:   Offline  0

Device  Device   Error
 Name   Status   Count
IKA0:   Offline  0
IMA0:   Offline  0
INA0:   Offline  0
PTA0:   Online   1
PUA0:   Online   1
PUB0:   Online   2
PUC0:   Online   2
PYA0:   Offline  0
SJA0:   Online   0
SJA1:   Online   0
WSA0:   Offline  0
XQA0:   Online   0

Looks like they're online but not mounted. If I'm reading the help pages
correctly, I should just be able to mount it at this point:

ROHIT1$ mount dub0: disk0
%MOUNT-F-INCVOLLABEL, incorrect volume label
-MOUNT-I-VOLIDENT, label = 'USER01  ', owner = '', format =
'DEC
FILE11B  '

I tried giving it the correct label, but it still didn't seem to mount. Now
I wanted to see if the MSCP server is running:

ROHIT1$ show device/served
   MSCP-Served Devices on ROHIT1  1-SEP-2015 10:55:19.39

 Queue Requests
Device:   Status  Total Size CurrentMax Hosts
%SHOW-E-MSCPNOTLD, MSCP-Server code not loaded

No, it doesn't look like it...so getting back to the >>> prompt, I do a bit
more investigation:

>>>show dev
UQSSP Disk Controller 0 (772150)
-DUA0 (RF71)

UQSSP Disk Controller 1 (760334)
-DUB0 (RA81)
-DUB1 (RA81)

UQSSP Disk Controller 2 (760340)
-DUC10 (RA81)

UQSSP Tape Controller 0 (774500)
-MUA0 (TK70)

Ethernet Adapter 0 (774440)
-XQA0 (08-00-2B-17-3F-37)

I should be able to get to the PARAMS> prompt now:

>>>set host /dup/uqssp/disk 1 params
Starting DUP server...

UQSSP Disk Controller 1 (760334)

Stopping DUP server...
>>>

Or not? Why can't I seem to get to the prompt? I can with disk 0:

>>>set host /dup/uqssp/disk 0 params
Starting DUP server...

UQSSP Disk Controller 0 (772150)
Copyright 1988  Digital Equipment Corporation

PARAMS> show allclass

Parameter Current   DefaultType Radix
-       -
ALLCLASS 0 0  ByteDec   B

PARAMS>

Can't seem to get to PARAMS> with disk 2 or tape 0 either. Only disk 0
seems to work.

Can anyone provide any suggestions? I'd like to see what else is on the
system. Pictures here: http://imgur.com/a/WYGra

Thanks,

Kyle

Re: MicroVAX 3800 DSSI Issues

[william degnan]

>>> B/1 DIA0:

SYSBOOT> CONTINUE

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Kyle Owen  wrote:

> I can boot to VAX/VMS 5.4-2, but on startup, I see this message:
>
> %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening DUB0:[RS1R4]RS1LOG.COM; as input
> -RMS-E-DNR, device not ready, not mounted, or unavailable
> %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening DUB0:[ORACLES]ORAUSER.COM; as input
> -RMS-E-DNR, device not ready, not mounted, or unavailable
> %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening DUB0:[ECMS4]LOGIN.COM; as input
> -RMS-E-DNR, device not ready, not mounted, or unavailable
>
> Okay, so DUB0: isn't mounted, I guess.
>
> ROHIT1$ show dev
>
> Device  Device   ErrorVolume Free
>  Trans Mnt
>  Name   Status   Count LabelBlocks
> Count Cnt
> R7CY2A$DIA0:Mounted  0  VMS54_2DISK 173289
> 134   1
> ROHIT1$DUB0:Online   0
> ROHIT1$DUB1:Online   0
> ROHIT1$DUC10:   Online   0
>
> Device  Device   ErrorVolume Free
>  Trans Mnt
>  Name   Status   Count LabelBlocks
> Count Cnt
> ROHIT1$MUA0:Online   0
>
> Device  Device   Error
>  Name   Status   Count
> FTA0:   Offline  0
> OPA0:   Online   0
> TWA0:   Offline  0
>
> Device  Device   Error
>  Name   Status   Count
> IKA0:   Offline  0
> IMA0:   Offline  0
> INA0:   Offline  0
> PTA0:   Online   1
> PUA0:   Online   1
> PUB0:   Online   2
> PUC0:   Online   2
> PYA0:   Offline  0
> SJA0:   Online   0
> SJA1:   Online   0
> WSA0:   Offline  0
> XQA0:   Online   0
>
> Looks like they're online but not mounted. If I'm reading the help pages
> correctly, I should just be able to mount it at this point:
>
> ROHIT1$ mount dub0: disk0
> %MOUNT-F-INCVOLLABEL, incorrect volume label
> -MOUNT-I-VOLIDENT, label = 'USER01  ', owner = '', format =
> 'DEC
> FILE11B  '
>
> I tried giving it the correct label, but it still didn't seem to mount. Now
> I wanted to see if the MSCP server is running:
>
> ROHIT1$ show device/served
>MSCP-Served Devices on ROHIT1  1-SEP-2015 10:55:19.39
>
>  Queue Requests
> Device:   Status  Total Size CurrentMax Hosts
> %SHOW-E-MSCPNOTLD, MSCP-Server code not loaded
>
> No, it doesn't look like it...so getting back to the >>> prompt, I do a bit
> more investigation:
>
> >>>show dev
> UQSSP Disk Controller 0 (772150)
> -DUA0 (RF71)
>
> UQSSP Disk Controller 1 (760334)
> -DUB0 (RA81)
> -DUB1 (RA81)
>
> UQSSP Disk Controller 2 (760340)
> -DUC10 (RA81)
>
> UQSSP Tape Controller 0 (774500)
> -MUA0 (TK70)
>
> Ethernet Adapter 0 (774440)
> -XQA0 (08-00-2B-17-3F-37)
>
> I should be able to get to the PARAMS> prompt now:
>
> >>>set host /dup/uqssp/disk 1 params
> Starting DUP server...
>
> UQSSP Disk Controller 1 (760334)
>
> Stopping DUP server...
> >>>
>
> Or not? Why can't I seem to get to the prompt? I can with disk 0:
>
> >>>set host /dup/uqssp/disk 0 params
> Starting DUP server...
>
> UQSSP Disk Controller 0 (772150)
> Copyright 1988  Digital Equipment Corporation
>
> PARAMS> show allclass
>
> Parameter Current   DefaultType Radix
> -       -
> ALLCLASS 0 0  ByteDec   B
>
> PARAMS>
>
> Can't seem to get to PARAMS> with disk 2 or tape 0 either. Only disk 0
> seems to work.
>
> Can anyone provide any suggestions? I'd like to see what else is on the
> system. Pictures here: http://imgur.com/a/WYGra
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kyle
>



-- 
Bill
vintagecomputer.net

Re: MicroVAX 3800 DSSI Issues

[Peter Coghlan]

>
> Looks like they're online but not mounted. If I'm reading the help pages
> correctly, I should just be able to mount it at this point:
>
> ROHIT1$ mount dub0: disk0
> %MOUNT-F-INCVOLLABEL, incorrect volume label
> -MOUNT-I-VOLIDENT, label = 'USER01  ', owner = '', format =
> 'DECFILE11B  '
>
> I tried giving it the correct label, but it still didn't seem to mount. Now
> I wanted to see if the MSCP server is running:
>

What happens if you try:

$ MOUNT /NOASSIST /SYSTEM DUB0: USER01

>
> ROHIT1$ show device/served
>   MSCP-Served Devices on ROHIT1  1-SEP-2015 10:55:19.39
>
> Queue Requests
> Device:   Status  Total Size CurrentMax Hosts
> %SHOW-E-MSCPNOTLD, MSCP-Server code not loaded
>

This will only affect the ability to mount locally attached disks from other
nodes in the cluster.  It should not have any bearing on mounting them on the
same cluster node they are attached to.

>
> No, it doesn't look like it...so getting back to the >>> prompt, I do a bit
> more investigation:
>
> >>>show dev
> UQSSP Disk Controller 0 (772150)
> -DUA0 (RF71)
>
> UQSSP Disk Controller 1 (760334)
> -DUB0 (RA81)
> -DUB1 (RA81)
>
> UQSSP Disk Controller 2 (760340)
> -DUC10 (RA81)
>
> UQSSP Tape Controller 0 (774500)
> -MUA0 (TK70)
>
> Ethernet Adapter 0 (774440)
> -XQA0 (08-00-2B-17-3F-37)
>
> I should be able to get to the PARAMS> prompt now:
>
> >>>set host /dup/uqssp/disk 1 params
> Starting DUP server...
>
> UQSSP Disk Controller 1 (760334)
>
> Stopping DUP server...
> >>>
>
> Or not? Why can't I seem to get to the prompt? I can with disk 0:
>

SET HOST /DUP only works for DSSI disks - DUB0 is not a DSSI disk.

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.

Re: MicroVAX 3800 DSSI Issues

[william degnan]

If you want I can turn on my 4000 and you can telnet into it to compare and
contrast.  Contact me privately for credentials.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:23 PM, william degnan  wrote:

> >>> B/1 DIA0:
>
> SYSBOOT> CONTINUE
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Kyle Owen  wrote:
>
>> I can boot to VAX/VMS 5.4-2, but on startup, I see this message:
>>
>> %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening DUB0:[RS1R4]RS1LOG.COM; as input
>> -RMS-E-DNR, device not ready, not mounted, or unavailable
>> %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening DUB0:[ORACLES]ORAUSER.COM; as input
>> -RMS-E-DNR, device not ready, not mounted, or unavailable
>> %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening DUB0:[ECMS4]LOGIN.COM; as input
>> -RMS-E-DNR, device not ready, not mounted, or unavailable
>>
>> Okay, so DUB0: isn't mounted, I guess.
>>
>> ROHIT1$ show dev
>>
>> Device  Device   ErrorVolume Free
>>  Trans Mnt
>>  Name   Status   Count LabelBlocks
>> Count Cnt
>> R7CY2A$DIA0:Mounted  0  VMS54_2DISK 173289
>> 134   1
>> ROHIT1$DUB0:Online   0
>> ROHIT1$DUB1:Online   0
>> ROHIT1$DUC10:   Online   0
>>
>> Device  Device   ErrorVolume Free
>>  Trans Mnt
>>  Name   Status   Count LabelBlocks
>> Count Cnt
>> ROHIT1$MUA0:Online   0
>>
>> Device  Device   Error
>>  Name   Status   Count
>> FTA0:   Offline  0
>> OPA0:   Online   0
>> TWA0:   Offline  0
>>
>> Device  Device   Error
>>  Name   Status   Count
>> IKA0:   Offline  0
>> IMA0:   Offline  0
>> INA0:   Offline  0
>> PTA0:   Online   1
>> PUA0:   Online   1
>> PUB0:   Online   2
>> PUC0:   Online   2
>> PYA0:   Offline  0
>> SJA0:   Online   0
>> SJA1:   Online   0
>> WSA0:   Offline  0
>> XQA0:   Online   0
>>
>> Looks like they're online but not mounted. If I'm reading the help pages
>> correctly, I should just be able to mount it at this point:
>>
>> ROHIT1$ mount dub0: disk0
>> %MOUNT-F-INCVOLLABEL, incorrect volume label
>> -MOUNT-I-VOLIDENT, label = 'USER01  ', owner = '', format
>> =
>> 'DEC
>> FILE11B  '
>>
>> I tried giving it the correct label, but it still didn't seem to mount.
>> Now
>> I wanted to see if the MSCP server is running:
>>
>> ROHIT1$ show device/served
>>MSCP-Served Devices on ROHIT1  1-SEP-2015 10:55:19.39
>>
>>  Queue Requests
>> Device:   Status  Total Size CurrentMax Hosts
>> %SHOW-E-MSCPNOTLD, MSCP-Server code not loaded
>>
>> No, it doesn't look like it...so getting back to the >>> prompt, I do a
>> bit
>> more investigation:
>>
>> >>>show dev
>> UQSSP Disk Controller 0 (772150)
>> -DUA0 (RF71)
>>
>> UQSSP Disk Controller 1 (760334)
>> -DUB0 (RA81)
>> -DUB1 (RA81)
>>
>> UQSSP Disk Controller 2 (760340)
>> -DUC10 (RA81)
>>
>> UQSSP Tape Controller 0 (774500)
>> -MUA0 (TK70)
>>
>> Ethernet Adapter 0 (774440)
>> -XQA0 (08-00-2B-17-3F-37)
>>
>> I should be able to get to the PARAMS> prompt now:
>>
>> >>>set host /dup/uqssp/disk 1 params
>> Starting DUP server...
>>
>> UQSSP Disk Controller 1 (760334)
>>
>> Stopping DUP server...
>> >>>
>>
>> Or not? Why can't I seem to get to the prompt? I can with disk 0:
>>
>> >>>set host /dup/uqssp/disk 0 params
>> Starting DUP server...
>>
>> UQSSP Disk Controller 0 (772150)
>> Copyright 1988  Digital Equipment Corporation
>>
>> PARAMS> show allclass
>>
>> Parameter Current   DefaultType Radix
>> -       -
>> ALLCLASS 0 0  ByteDec   B
>>
>> PARAMS>
>>
>> Can't seem to get to PARAMS> with disk 2 or tape 0 either. Only disk 0
>> seems to work.
>>
>> Can anyone provide any suggestions? I'd like to see what else is on the
>> system. Pictures here: http://imgur.com/a/WYGra
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kyle
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Bill
> vintagecomputer.net
>



-- 
Bill
vintagecomputer.net

Re: MicroVAX 3800 DSSI Issues

[Glen Slick]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Peter Coghlan  wrote:
>>
>> ROHIT1$ mount dub0: disk0
>> %MOUNT-F-INCVOLLABEL, incorrect volume label
>> -MOUNT-I-VOLIDENT, label = 'USER01  ', owner = '', format =
>> 'DECFILE11B  '
>>
>> I tried giving it the correct label, but it still didn't seem to mount. Now
>> I wanted to see if the MSCP server is running:
>>
>
> What happens if you try:
>
> $ MOUNT /NOASSIST /SYSTEM DUB0: USER01
>

You could also try this so you don't have to specify the label
$ MOUNT /OVER=ID DUB0:

Re: MicroVAX 3800 DSSI Issues

[Kyle Owen]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Glen Slick  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Peter Coghlan 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ROHIT1$ mount dub0: disk0
> >> %MOUNT-F-INCVOLLABEL, incorrect volume label
> >> -MOUNT-I-VOLIDENT, label = 'USER01  ', owner = '',
> format =
> >> 'DECFILE11B  '
> >>
> >> I tried giving it the correct label, but it still didn't seem to mount.
> Now
> >> I wanted to see if the MSCP server is running:
> >>
> >
> > What happens if you try:
> >
> > $ MOUNT /NOASSIST /SYSTEM DUB0: USER01
> >
>
> You could also try this so you don't have to specify the label
> $ MOUNT /OVER=ID DUB0:
>

No dice...

ROHIT1$ mount /over=id dub0:
%MOUNT-F-BITMAPERR, I/O error on storage bitmap; volume locked
-SYSTEM-F-FORCEDERROR, forced error flagged in last sector read
ROHIT1$ mount /noassist /system dub0: user01
%MOUNT-F-BITMAPERR, I/O error on storage bitmap; volume locked
-SYSTEM-F-FORCEDERROR, forced error flagged in last sector read

But it did work for DUB1:!

ROHIT1$ mount /over=id dub1:
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, BACKUP_DISK  mounted on _ROHIT1$DUB1:

ROHIT1$ show dev

Device  Device   ErrorVolume Free
 Trans Mnt
 Name   Status   Count LabelBlocks
Count Cnt
R7CY2A$DIA0:Mounted  0  VMS54_2DISK 173103
134   1
ROHIT1$DUB0:Online   0
ROHIT1$DUB1:Mounted alloc0  BACKUP_DISK1404072
1   1
ROHIT1$DUC10:   Online   0

I'm not sure exactly which disk is DUC10:, but mount tells me the medium is
offline.

Still attempting to learn enough VMS to get a directory listing on DUB1:,
but I'm getting there! Thanks for the tips.

Kyle

TK70 sticky unload button?

[Kyle Owen]

Has anyone else come across this? My TK70 wouldn't eject, and having not
had one before, I didn't know just how tactile the unload button should be.
After further examination and prodding, I determined that the button was
pretty much stuck and refused to come out.

Taking the front off and exposing the board indicated that the button seems
to originally have been rubber, which is now a nice black tarry goo. I
think I can replace the button with a standard tactile push button, this
time without any rubbery material.

Hopefully that's my only issue.

http://i.imgur.com/9Fqb0SB.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/AxstKpq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PCFCfwH.jpg

Kyle

VCFMW

[Jay West]

VCFMW is over, and I wanted to give a huge CONGRATS to Jason for the
resulting show that he put on. Most of you will recall it was originally at
Purdue, then was moved to Heron Point (IL). That venue was no longer
available, so Jason scouted out a new venue (Holiday Inn) in Elk Grove
Village, IL. Simply put, the show could not have gone better. The facilities
were top-notch, a fairly good restaurant attached, and it worked out very
well. I - as well as a few others - were extremely grateful for the big
double doors that enter the venue directly from the parking lot (with no
'bumps') for bringing in "big iron", and there was pretty AMPle electrical
service for my HP2000 as well as Ian's 11/23 (and a handful of pdp-8's as
well). Not to mention all the other exhibits. power wasn't a problem. I've
always enjoyed the show at Heron Point, but this year the "bar was raised".
Kudos to Jason!

 

There was of course a substantial commodore and some apple presence, and I
really enjoyed seeing how many of those folks are taking those machines
"into the modern age". My own personal favorite exhibit was DJ's ASR 33
Teletype (a fully working mint condition restoration - GREAT JOB DJ), and
the altair 680 and accessories that were driving it. While that was my
favorite exhibit, every exhibit had something to offer. I like the altoids
can 1802 :)

 

I've been to VCF west, as well as VCF east, and they are both great events.
I personally make a point of getting to VCFMW every year, and look forward
to the event next year. I highly encourage folks that have not been to a
VCFMW yet to give it a shot. Bring something to exhibit, or just take in the
show; enjoy the comradery and meet new folks as well. 

 

Jason - fantastic job, it was a great event!

 

Best,

 

J

 

 

Re: MicroVAX 3800 DSSI Issues

[Peter Coghlan]

>
> No dice...
>
> ROHIT1$ mount /over=id dub0:
> %MOUNT-F-BITMAPERR, I/O error on storage bitmap; volume locked
> -SYSTEM-F-FORCEDERROR, forced error flagged in last sector read
> ROHIT1$ mount /noassist /system dub0: user01
> %MOUNT-F-BITMAPERR, I/O error on storage bitmap; volume locked
> -SYSTEM-F-FORCEDERROR, forced error flagged in last sector read
>

The disk (or less likely the controller) could be faulty but it's more likely
it has media errors in one of the not-good places to have errors :-(

You may be able to MOUNT it /FOREIGN but this will not allow file level access
but it might (with luck) allow it to be backed up with a view to restoring it
onto a working disk.  It may also allow you to $ DUMP DUB0: /BLOCK=START=n
where n is some block number past where the errors are.  Unfortunately, if it's
anything like RD type disks, exercising it may also make it worse.

$ MOUNT /NOWRITE might also be worth trying.

>
> But it did work for DUB1:!
>
> ROHIT1$ mount /over=id dub1:
> %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, BACKUP_DISK  mounted on _ROHIT1$DUB1:
>

This has mounted it privately to your process.  If you dismount it and instead:

$ MOUNT /NOASSIST /SYSTEM DUB1 BACKUP_DISK

it will be available to all users.


>
> ROHIT1$ show dev
>
> Device  Device   ErrorVolume Free Trans 
> Mnt
>  Name   Status   Count LabelBlocks Count 
> Cnt
> R7CY2A$DIA0:Mounted  0  VMS54_2DISK 173103 134   1
> ROHIT1$DUB0:Online   0
> ROHIT1$DUB1:Mounted alloc0  BACKUP_DISK1404072 1   1
> ROHIT1$DUC10:   Online   0
>
> I'm not sure exactly which disk is DUC10:, but mount tells me the medium is
> offline.
>

It likely has problems like DUB0 :-(

>
> Still attempting to learn enough VMS to get a directory listing on DUB1:,
> but I'm getting there! Thanks for the tips.
>

Try this:

$ DIR DUB1:[*...] /SIZE /DATE

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.

Re: MicroVAX 3800 DSSI Issues

[John H. Reinhardt]

On 9/1/2015 5:25 PM, Kyle Owen wrote:

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Glen Slick  wrote:


On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Peter Coghlan 
wrote:


ROHIT1$ mount dub0: disk0
%MOUNT-F-INCVOLLABEL, incorrect volume label
-MOUNT-I-VOLIDENT, label = 'USER01  ', owner = '',

format =

'DECFILE11B'

I tried giving it the correct label, but it still didn't seem to mount.

Now

I wanted to see if the MSCP server is running:



What happens if you try:

$ MOUNT /NOASSIST /SYSTEM DUB0: USER01



You could also try this so you don't have to specify the label
$ MOUNT /OVER=ID DUB0:



No dice...

ROHIT1$ mount /over=id dub0:
%MOUNT-F-BITMAPERR, I/O error on storage bitmap; volume locked
-SYSTEM-F-FORCEDERROR, forced error flagged in last sector read
ROHIT1$ mount /noassist /system dub0: user01
%MOUNT-F-BITMAPERR, I/O error on storage bitmap; volume locked
-SYSTEM-F-FORCEDERROR, forced error flagged in last sector read



Yeah, your disk has got problems. Either an actual hardware problem or a 
corrupted file system.

The FORCEDERROR flag usually means a hardware problem - bad disk block.  It 
means reading the disk, the checksum failed and retries did not successfully 
read the data so the disk controller has flagged the block as bad.  It looks 
like this has happened in one of the blocks for the storage bitmap that VMS 
uses in the interal file structure to maork used blocks.  Doing an ANALYZE 
/DISK /REPAIR dub0:  may fix it.  You also may have to initialize the disk and 
run a bad block checker on it.  Doing this will lose whatever data is on the 
drive though so try the ANALYZE first.

Look in your VMS documentation in either the System Management Guide or the 
System Utilities guide. There should be more information in one of those.


But it did work for DUB1:!

ROHIT1$ mount /over=id dub1:
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, BACKUP_DISK  mounted on _ROHIT1$DUB1:

ROHIT1$ show dev

Device  Device   ErrorVolume Free
  Trans Mnt
  Name   Status   Count LabelBlocks
Count Cnt
R7CY2A$DIA0:Mounted  0  VMS54_2DISK 173103
134   1
ROHIT1$DUB0:Online   0
ROHIT1$DUB1:Mounted alloc0  BACKUP_DISK1404072
1   1
ROHIT1$DUC10:   Online   0

I'm not sure exactly which disk is DUC10:, but mount tells me the medium is
offline.



If the list of hardware in this  is correct, 
then I'd guess DUC10 is the Maxtor Erasable Optical Disk that's in the top of the 
cabinet next to the tape drive.

DIA is your internal DSSI bus devices
DUBx are the drives on the Emulex QD34 SMD controller - PUB is the disk 
controller device.
DUCx are drives on the CMD CQD-223TM controller (tape and disk) - PUC is the 
disk controller device, PTB is the tape device

The Exabyte tape doesn't seem to be showing, unless that's MUA1, but it says 
TK70. I can't tell if there is an actual TK70 drive behind that black smoked 
panel.


Still attempting to learn enough VMS to get a directory listing on DUB1:,
but I'm getting there! Thanks for the tips.



Directory dub1:[*...] Will show you the whole drive, directory, by directory.
Do a "help directory" at the "$" prompt to get the command qualifiers to show 
you specific information like owner, protection, file size, file dates



Kyle

Re: MicroVAX 3800 DSSI Issues

[Peter Coghlan]

Yeah, your disk has got problems. Either an actual hardware problem or a
corrupted file system.

The FORCEDERROR flag usually means a hardware problem - bad disk block.  It
means reading the disk, the checksum failed and retries did not successfully
read the data so the disk controller has flagged the block as bad.  It looks
like this has happened in one of the blocks for the storage bitmap that VMS
uses in the interal file structure to maork used blocks.  Doing an
ANALYZE /DISK /REPAIR dub0:  may fix it.  You also may have to initialize
the disk and run a bad block checker on it.  Doing this will lose whatever
data is on the drive though so try the ANALYZE first.



ANALYZE /DISK /REPAIR dub0: requires the disk to be mounted first and the
forced errors on the bitmap likely won't allow that.  It has a better chance of
working if the disk is backed up and restored onto a working disk, possibly an
emulated disk on simh or similar.  ANALYZE /DISK /REPAIR is also a very blunt
weapon and when combined with media errors, it could mangle the disk much worse
so it's always a good idea to try it on a copy of the original.

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.

Re: VCFMW

[Jason T]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Jay West  wrote:
> VCFMW is over, and I wanted to give a huge CONGRATS to Jason for the
> resulting show that he put on. Most of you will recall it was originally at

Thank you Jay for the kind words.  The check is in the mail, etc.

It was indeed a banner event for our 10th year.  We'll have pics and
video links posted here as they come in:

http://vcfmw.org/past.html

If you have a gallery or video to share and it's not up there, let me know.

There are a few leftover shirts in the S/M/L sizes.  I'll get some
numbers up once they emerge from the car.  There's a pic of the design
on the Shirts page.  We're considering a reprint of the larger sizes
that sold out quickly but we'll need to do quite a few to make it
cost-effective.

Tired and inspired,

-j

Re: VCFMW

[Noel Chiappa]

> From: Jay West

> Ian's 11/23 

11/34. I know, I know, those blasted PDP-11's; under-foot everywhere! :-)

Noel

RE: VCFMW

[Jay West]

Sorry for the typo. I do know the difference, I have several of each ;)

J

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Noel
Chiappa
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 7:33 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Re: VCFMW

> From: Jay West

> Ian's 11/23 

11/34. I know, I know, those blasted PDP-11's; under-foot everywhere! :-)

Noel

Data General Projects

[Jay West]

It's time to start on the Data General stuff I've had forever but not yet
restored :) This time much of it has finally made its way into the workshop
so perhaps there will be some progress.

 

Pictures of the initial set of racks to work on are at
https://www.flickr.com/photos/131070638@N02 , but there's more DG racks with
devices that can be used at both houses.

 

Trying to decide where to start really, and what pieces to use and what to
trade off (I'm not really familiar with DG stuff, yet).

 

At the least, I know I don't want/need the large FPS (Floating Point Systems
model 100R) box. Anyone have interest in that part?

 

If folks have docs that might help but are private, I'd appreciate a little
access or pointers. My initial questions revolve around what boards from the
Nova 4, S/130, and S/200 can be interchanged if desired, I'm still trying to
decide which cpu to keep and which peripherals. Time to read what docs I
have and scrounge up ones that I don't!

 

I know I got keys with these systems, but don't see them anywhere. The
6021/6023 tape drive uses vacuum columns, that will be fun. The TP1 is an
awfully cool retro printing terminal. The 5821NT terminal has (by a large
margin) the worst screen rot I've ever seen. The 6125 tape drive is in an
odd "desktop" stand like I haven't seen before.

 

Let the fun commence.

 

J

 

 

 

 

Re: MEM11 Status Update

[Ethan Dicks]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Jay Jaeger  wrote:
> On 9/1/2015 10:01 AM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>>
>>>  run Unix V1
>>
>> I am very interested in the MEM11 for this exact reason.  I have a
>> PDP-11/20 that I'd love to do this with.
>>
> You could also try Mini-Unix on your 11/20, which might support a wider
> range of devices.

I could, but the point is to run 1972 Unix on machine that was around
in 1972, even if I have emulate things like the RF disks.

-ethan

Re: Data General Projects

[Al Kossow]

On 9/1/15 5:50 PM, Jay West wrote:



At the least, I know I don't want/need the large FPS (Floating Point Systems
model 100R) box. Anyone have interest in that part?



It is the transform processor from a GE CAT scanner. I was just getting around 
to scanning the drawings
for it.

RE: Data General Projects

[Jay West]

Al wrote...
-
It is the transform processor from a GE CAT scanner. I was just getting
around to scanning the drawings for it.
-
I have never in any device seen a higher density of chips and boards per
square inch. I suspect that if any of the fans fail, it would burst into
flames within 30 seconds. Not to mention that power cable plug is bigger
than two fists held together.

J

Re: VCFMW

[ben]

On 9/1/2015 6:40 PM, Jay West wrote:

Sorry for the typo. I do know the difference, I have several of each ;)

J

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Noel
Chiappa
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 7:33 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Re: VCFMW

 > From: Jay West

 > Ian's 11/23

11/34. I know, I know, those blasted PDP-11's; under-foot everywhere! :-)

Noel


Send them here, I have none!
Ben, with clean feet.

Re: MEM11 Status Update

[Jay Jaeger]

On 9/1/2015 7:56 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Jay Jaeger  wrote:
>> On 9/1/2015 10:01 AM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>>>
  run Unix V1
>>>
>>> I am very interested in the MEM11 for this exact reason.  I have a
>>> PDP-11/20 that I'd love to do this with.
>>>
>> You could also try Mini-Unix on your 11/20, which might support a wider
>> range of devices.
> 
> I could, but the point is to run 1972 Unix on machine that was around
> in 1972, even if I have emulate things like the RF disks.
> 
> -ethan
> 

I suppose. Mini Unix dates from around 1977, though I remember LSX
showing up around 1975 or 1976.

Jay

Wanted: ROM images from HP 9895, 82901/82902, and other HP-IB disk drives

[Eric Smith]

If anyone has dumped the ROMs from the HP 9895 (8-inch) or 82901/82902
(5 1/4-inch) HP-IB disk drives, which use the Amigo command set, I'd
appreciate copies of the images, ideally along with the HP part
numbers of the EPROMs (probably 09895-x and 82901-x).

For that matter, I'd be interested in ROM images from any of HP's
other HP-IB disk drives, floppy, hard disk, or combined.

Also ROM images from the 9114A and 9114B HP-IL disk drives. I already
have one ROM image each from the 9114A and 9114B, but there were
multiple firmware versions.

Thanks!
Eric

Re: Data General Projects

[Christian Kennedy]

On 9/1/15 17:50, Jay West wrote:

> 
> Pictures of the initial set of racks to work on are at
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/131070638@N02 , but there's more DG racks with
> devices that can be used at both houses.

Nice.

[snip]

> If folks have docs that might help but are private, I'd appreciate a little
> access or pointers. My initial questions revolve around what boards from the
> Nova 4, S/130, and S/200 can be interchanged if desired, I'm still trying to
> decide which cpu to keep and which peripherals. Time to read what docs I
> have and scrounge up ones that I don't!

Nova I/O bus boards only.  Memory, MMU/MAP, CPU and, if present, FPU
cards are unique to the processor.

The S/130 is one of my favorite 16 bit Eclipses.  The S/200 holds a
special place in my heart at the other end of the spectrum, although
*eventually* DG did get the eight-way interleaved core planes to work in
the thing.  Mostly.

> I know I got keys with these systems, but don't see them anywhere. 

As one might expect, they're all the same.  If you get stuck send up a
flare and I'll find one for you.

> The
> 6021/6023 tape drive uses vacuum columns, that will be fun. The TP1 is an
> awfully cool retro printing terminal. The 5821NT terminal has (by a large
> margin) the worst screen rot I've ever seen. The 6125 tape drive is in an
> odd "desktop" stand like I haven't seen before.

The 6125 is certainly wedged into something odd -- I've never seen one
done that way before.  Unlike the 602X it's a streamer, so it performs
horribly if you can't keep the tape in motion.  The printing Dashers are
actually quite nice terminals, the CRTs are all quite awful -- I think I
have a notch in my hearing from the HV supplies in them.

When you figure out what's surplus to your needs I'd be happy to take
the excess off your hands for appropriate consideration :)

Cheers,
Chris

-- 
Christian Kennedy, Ph.D.
ch...@mainecoon.com AF6AP | DB0692 | PG00029419
http://www.mainecoon.comPGP KeyID 108DAB97
PGP fingerprint: 4E99 10B6 7253 B048 6685 6CBC 55E1 20A3 108D AB97
"Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration…"

RE: MEM11 Status Update

[tony duell]

> 
> I could, but the point is to run 1972 Unix on machine that was around
> in 1972, even if I have emulate things like the RF disks.

Except that the MEM11 wasn't around in 1972.

-tony

Re: MEM11 Status Update

[Guy Sotomayor]

On 9/1/15 9:45 PM, tony duell wrote:

I could, but the point is to run 1972 Unix on machine that was around
in 1972, even if I have emulate things like the RF disks.

Except that the MEM11 wasn't around in 1972.
I think the point here, is that much of the hardware that is necessary 
to run Unix V1 on an
11/20 is unobtainium.  Therefor, if one wants to run Unix V1 on 11/20 
hardware, there is
going to be, by necessity, some compromises made.  Witness the previous 
discussion on
the IBM 1620 where the core memory has been replaced with a modern 
equivalent  in order

to allow it to work.  I view this in a similar vein.

I also think that given the historical significance of both Unix V1 and 
the 11/20, this is a

worthwhile endeavor.

TTFN - Guy

RE: MEM11 Status Update

[tony duell]

> >> I could, but the point is to run 1972 Unix on machine that was around
> >> in 1972, even if I have emulate things like the RF disks.
> > Except that the MEM11 wasn't around in 1972.
> I think the point here, is that much of the hardware that is necessary
> to run Unix V1 on an
> 11/20 is unobtainium.  Therefor, if one wants to run Unix V1 on 11/20
> hardware, there is

I don't think you are running Unix V1 on 11/20 hardware here. An 11/20 CPU,
sure, but a computer system is not just the CPU.

> going to be, by necessity, some compromises made.  Witness the previous

Remaking the missing hardware following the original designs and using 
technology
close to the original is one thing. A functional emulator is something quite 
different. 
The 11/20 in 1972 did not (AFAIK) use any programmable logic chips, for example.

> discussion on
> the IBM 1620 where the core memory has been replaced with a modern
> equivalent  in order
> to allow it to work.  I view this in a similar vein.

So do I. 

-tony

Re: Advice about repairing an IBM 5151

[Vlad Stamate]

On Sep 1, 2015, at 1:57 PM, tony duell  wrote:

>> 
>> Hmm, you are right, I am not seeing any spikes in voltage there. On
>> the collector of the TR23 all I am getting as DC voltage is around
>> 110mV. The oscilloscope tells me I am getting Vpp of about 4.4V with
>> Vmax at 2.6V and Vmin at -1.8V and an average of 105mV (which matches
>> what my multimeter tells me too).
>> 
>> That sounds too low doesn't it?
> 
> That is far too low. 
> 
> Firstly, there should be a 12V or so feed to one pin on the flyback primary
> winding (the winding that links to the collector of TR23). Is that present 
> and 
> correct?

Yes it is. I am getting 15V on pin 4 that connects to the collector of TR23.
> What about other components connected to that winding.
There is a diode and a capacitor. They both measure 300mV or so. The diode 
seems to be working. I will desolder one leg of the capacitor and check it too. 
I do not have an ESR meter so I will do normal checking.

> 
> Are you sure TR23 is good. The horizontal output transistor in many monitors
> often fails.
I am not sure. I assume I have to desolder it to check it right?

Regards,
Vlad
> 
> -tony

RE: Advice about repairing an IBM 5151

[tony duell]

> > Are you sure TR23 is good. The horizontal output transistor in many monitors
> > often fails.
> I am not sure. I assume I have to desolder it to check it right?

Yes, but it's only 3 connections to desolder.

Obviously if the 2 junctions don't test properly as diodes, or if the Hfe is 
much lower
than it should be then the transistor is dead. But due to the high voltages 
that should
be around, most transistor testers don't do adequate testing of such 
transistors. 

-tony

Re: MEM11 Status Update

[Josh Dersch]

On 9/1/15 10:10 PM, tony duell wrote:

I could, but the point is to run 1972 Unix on machine that was around
in 1972, even if I have emulate things like the RF disks.

Except that the MEM11 wasn't around in 1972.

I think the point here, is that much of the hardware that is necessary
to run Unix V1 on an
11/20 is unobtainium.  Therefor, if one wants to run Unix V1 on 11/20
hardware, there is

I don't think you are running Unix V1 on 11/20 hardware here. An 11/20 CPU,
sure, but a computer system is not just the CPU.


going to be, by necessity, some compromises made.  Witness the previous

Remaking the missing hardware following the original designs and using 
technology
close to the original is one thing. A functional emulator is something quite 
different.
The 11/20 in 1972 did not (AFAIK) use any programmable logic chips, for example.


Do let me know when you've got a production line going for a new RS11.  
Until then, I suppose the MEM11 will have to do...


- Josh