RE: Welcome to the builds list!
> -Original Message- > From: Nigel Daley [mailto:nda...@yahoo-inc.com] > Sent: Thursday, 23 April 2009 3:23 PM > To: Gavin > Cc: builds@apache.org; infrastruct...@apache.org > Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! > > > On Apr 16, 2009, at 2:25 AM, Gavin wrote: > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: bdelacre...@gmail.com [mailto:bdelacre...@gmail.com] On > >> Behalf Of > >> Bertrand Delacretaz > >> Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2009 6:28 PM > >> To: builds@apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Gavin > >> wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Nigel Daley [mailto:nda...@yahoo-inc.com] > Also, Gavin can we have ci.apache.org go to a page that > points to > >> the > 3 CI choices that Apache projects have: Buildbot, Continuum, and > >> Hudson? > >>> > >>> Absolutely, ci.apache.org was created a couple of months back whilst > >> testing > >>> buildbot and before this amalgamation of CIs list was thought > >>> about. It > >>> makes sense so I will do that soon, thanks for the suggestion > >> > >> It might be good to mention this list there as well. > >> -Bertrand > > > > Yep good plan. > > > > A slight change to name to use as the main builds area to go to, > > ci.apache.org has been advertised/blogged/tweeted/whatever as > > belonging to > > the buildbot setup. I think it is too late now to move that to another > > domain. Either way, a new name was needed for either buildbot usage > > or the > > main builds area (landing page?). > > > > So, to keep inline with this list name etc, and Wendy proposed on > > IRC that > > builds.apache.org would be a better fit for the new area. > > > > If there are no objections I'd like to ask infra if they could set > > that up > > for us? (cc:d) > > > > Gav... > > Hmm, not crazy about this, but ok. You're a little behind, please see the mail entitled 'New landing page' - we didn't go with builds.apache.org either. > Not sure why you didn't go with > buildbot.apache.org. Taking ci.apache.org seems a little over reaching. What planet are you on? This isn't a competition. Everything I do around here you question with disdain, you continually angle at getting me to advertise Hudson wherever possible. ci.apache.org was chosen as buildbot.apache.org was rejected by other infra members as being to specific. ci.apache.org was someone else's idea. So it was enabled and I happily started setting up buildbot to use it. Then I though it would be a good idea to create a mailing list where folks could talk about buildbot and its services etc basically so I didn't have to join 200+ dev lists. Someone then said why not make it a list for all build services, so we did that. You then wanted a landing page area that people could go to to 'choose' between which build service they want, and you wanted to use ci.apache.org for it that buildbot was already using and was advertised as such, I offered builds.apache.org as an alternative, others in infra thought that creating new subdomain for one page was too much (you could call it 'a little over reaching') so I created a page called http://apache.org/dev/builds.html (after ci.html was also rejected) - and I asked you to edit your section to suit which you have yet to do. Note that I am here for Buildbot, but I have bent over backwards to accommodate your moaning about Hudson. You haven't asked Continuum or Gump to advertise 'your' Hudson on their pages so why are you picking on me. I've helped everyone by creating a landing page, by getting this mail list set up, with the aim that every project can make use of for whichever build service they want to use, and you're still not happy. Where are your commits, what have you done? No doubt I'll regret hitting send here but heck, doing all this volunteer work only to get shot at every turn is getting to me. Gav... > > Nige > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.2/2074 - Release Date: 4/22/2009 > 8:49 AM
Re: Welcome to the builds list!
Hi, On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Gavin wrote: > Where are your commits, what have you done? Could we tone down the discussion a bit? I'm not sure if you've followed, but Nigel has for a long while been at the cutting edge of developing and maintaining build services for Apache projects. Implying that he's not contributing is pretty absurd. Nigel's tool of choice is Hudson, yours is Buildbot. That's OK, the more choice the better. The problem that Nigel and others were bringing up is that by using a domain name like "ci.apache.org" and text like "chosen by the infrastructure team" (Buildbot entry on [1]) it seems like Buildbot is somehow being preferred over the other CI tools we have. What's the background to that? You mention "other infrastructure members" preferring ci.a.o over buildbot.a.o. Where did that discussion take place? [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/builds.html BR, Jukka Zitting
RE: Welcome to the builds list!
> -Original Message- > From: Jukka Zitting [mailto:jukka.zitt...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, 23 April 2009 6:45 PM > To: builds@apache.org > Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! > > Hi, > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Gavin wrote: > > Where are your commits, what have you done? > > Could we tone down the discussion a bit? Sure, my paddy fit is over now. > > I'm not sure if you've followed, but Nigel has for a long while been > at the cutting edge of developing and maintaining build services for > Apache projects. Implying that he's not contributing is pretty absurd. I meant not contributing to the things he's been asking to get done so that Hudson is once again on a level playing field. Not that it ever wasn't on a level playing field, but I just got the impression he felt/feels threatened somehow by the arrival of another build service. > > Nigel's tool of choice is Hudson, yours is Buildbot. That's OK, the > more choice the better. Actually no, Buildbot was not my choice (but it is now). I agree more choice is better, I also use Hudson and host it on my own server which another open source project currently benefits from. Each has different features that make them suitable for different jobs in different scenarios, there is some overlap however. > > The problem that Nigel and others were bringing up is that by using a > domain name like "ci.apache.org" and text like "chosen by the > infrastructure team" (Buildbot entry on [1]) it seems like Buildbot is > somehow being preferred over the other CI tools we have. What's the > background to that? It is not being preferred at all, hence my creating a neutral list and a neutral landing page that lists all services, this is what people wanted I thought. The phrase "chosen by the infrastructure team" is valid however, I did not choose Buildbot, this was done on the infrastructure list, I just happened to be the one to pick the ball up and run with it and get it done. So it was the choice of infrastructure as a whole that this become the build service to use for their build farm. If Hudson needs more machines as more projects come in and demand requires it, then Nigel is welcome to ask for more when the time comes. In fact it is due to Yahoo! that we have the 4 machines we do for build services currently for which we are obviously grateful. If folks are not happy with that phrasing then I will of course remove it. > > You mention "other infrastructure members" preferring ci.a.o over > buildbot.a.o. Where did that discussion take place? Mainly on #asfinfra IRC channel. It is open to everyone and lots of things happen on there. Small decisions like this are chatted about and get done, and to defend straight away, don't ask that every little decision made on IRC get posted to the list as that's a slippery slope to nothing getting done. If folks are still not happy then I will request infra remove ci.apache.org altogether and we'll use the machine name ceres.apache.org instead. Now that we have made a mountain out of a molehill, let me know what else I can do to alleviate any concerns. And one more time, this is not a competition. Gav... > > [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/builds.html > > BR, > > Jukka Zitting > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.2/2074 - Release Date: 4/22/2009 > 8:49 AM
Buildbot background (Was: Welcome to the builds list!)
Hi, On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Gavin wrote: > The phrase "chosen by the infrastructure team" is valid however, I did not > choose Buildbot, this was done on the infrastructure list, I just happened > to be the one to pick the ball up and run with it and get it done. I must have missed this discussion, as the first time I noticed Buildbot was in January when you started committing related stuff to svn and then shortly after when Joe made a few references to Buildbot in the board reports. I had assumed that the Buildbot setup was something you were doing to scratch a personal itch, but it seems that there's more to the story. Any pointers? BR, Jukka Zitting
RE: Buildbot background (Was: Welcome to the builds list!)
> -Original Message- > From: Jukka Zitting [mailto:jukka.zitt...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, 23 April 2009 7:53 PM > To: builds@apache.org > Subject: Buildbot background (Was: Welcome to the builds list!) > > Hi, > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Gavin wrote: > > The phrase "chosen by the infrastructure team" is valid however, I did > not > > choose Buildbot, this was done on the infrastructure list, I just > happened > > to be the one to pick the ball up and run with it and get it done. > > I must have missed this discussion, as the first time I noticed > Buildbot was in January when you started committing related stuff to > svn and then shortly after when Joe made a few references to Buildbot > in the board reports. > > I had assumed that the Buildbot setup was something you were doing to > scratch a personal itch, but it seems that there's more to the story. > Any pointers? Sure, first mentioned back in 2007 when assessing requirements for build machines. Was also discussed on infra list as to what to do about it when SpamAssassin were using their own instance, at that time it was decided they would switch to Hudson. More recently - November 2008 there was a proposal and a good discussion went on on the infra-private list. That ended up with my getting access to 2 machines to get on with it. I can not quote from a private list so you'll have to dig through the archives. Thanks Gav... > > BR, > > Jukka Zitting > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.2/2074 - Release Date: 4/22/2009 > 8:49 AM
Re: Buildbot background (Was: Welcome to the builds list!)
Hi, On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Gavin wrote: > More recently - November 2008 there was a proposal and a good discussion > went on on the infra-private list. That ended up with my getting access to 2 > machines to get on with it. I can not quote from a private list so you'll > have to dig through the archives. Cool, thanks! BR, Jukka Zitting
Re: Welcome to the builds list!
Is there any particular reason that the index page at ci.apache.org be updated to add sections for Hudson and Continuum? Would that solve everyones issues? Or maybe push buildbot stuff into ci.apache.org/buildbot, have ci.apache.org/hudson and continuum. There "index" at ci.apache.org would still mention and point to buildbot stuff, so existing blogs and stuff would still be "accurate". I'm failing to see what all the hub-bub is about. Dan On Thu April 23 2009 1:22:49 am Nigel Daley wrote: > On Apr 16, 2009, at 2:25 AM, Gavin wrote: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: bdelacre...@gmail.com [mailto:bdelacre...@gmail.com] On > >> Behalf Of > >> Bertrand Delacretaz > >> Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2009 6:28 PM > >> To: builds@apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Gavin > >> > >> wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Nigel Daley [mailto:nda...@yahoo-inc.com] > Also, Gavin can we have ci.apache.org go to a page that > points to > >> > >> the > >> > 3 CI choices that Apache projects have: Buildbot, Continuum, and > >> > >> Hudson? > >> > >>> Absolutely, ci.apache.org was created a couple of months back whilst > >> > >> testing > >> > >>> buildbot and before this amalgamation of CIs list was thought > >>> about. It > >>> makes sense so I will do that soon, thanks for the suggestion > >> > >> It might be good to mention this list there as well. > >> -Bertrand > > > > Yep good plan. > > > > A slight change to name to use as the main builds area to go to, > > ci.apache.org has been advertised/blogged/tweeted/whatever as > > belonging to > > the buildbot setup. I think it is too late now to move that to another > > domain. Either way, a new name was needed for either buildbot usage > > or the > > main builds area (landing page?). > > > > So, to keep inline with this list name etc, and Wendy proposed on > > IRC that > > builds.apache.org would be a better fit for the new area. > > > > If there are no objections I'd like to ask infra if they could set > > that up > > for us? (cc:d) > > > > Gav... > > Hmm, not crazy about this, but ok. Not sure why you didn't go with > buildbot.apache.org. Taking ci.apache.org seems a little over reaching. > > Nige -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org http://www.dankulp.com/blog
RE: Welcome to the builds list!
> -Original Message- > From: Daniel Kulp [mailto:dk...@apache.org] > Sent: Thursday, 23 April 2009 11:25 PM > To: infrastruct...@apache.org > Cc: Nigel Daley; Gavin; builds@apache.org > Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! > > > Is there any particular reason that the index page at ci.apache.org be > updated > to add sections for Hudson and Continuum? Would that solve everyones > issues? I reckon I can do that yes. It is generated with twisted and buried in buildbot somewhere but I'll look at doing that. To be clear, I'll move the current index page that shows the default 'Welcome to Buildbot' to ci.apache.org/buildbot and replace it with a new page that lists the other two CIs. As much as it seems strange hacking Buildbot code to advertise other CI servers on it, it's what people want so hey ho. Gav... > > Or maybe push buildbot stuff into ci.apache.org/buildbot, have > ci.apache.org/hudson and continuum. There "index" at ci.apache.org would > still mention and point to buildbot stuff, so existing blogs and stuff > would > still be "accurate". > > I'm failing to see what all the hub-bub is about. > > Dan > > > On Thu April 23 2009 1:22:49 am Nigel Daley wrote: > > On Apr 16, 2009, at 2:25 AM, Gavin wrote: > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: bdelacre...@gmail.com [mailto:bdelacre...@gmail.com] On > > >> Behalf Of > > >> Bertrand Delacretaz > > >> Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2009 6:28 PM > > >> To: builds@apache.org > > >> Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! > > >> > > >> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Gavin > > >> > > >> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Nigel Daley [mailto:nda...@yahoo-inc.com] > > Also, Gavin can we have ci.apache.org go to a page that > > points to > > >> > > >> the > > >> > > 3 CI choices that Apache projects have: Buildbot, Continuum, and > > >> > > >> Hudson? > > >> > > >>> Absolutely, ci.apache.org was created a couple of months back whilst > > >> > > >> testing > > >> > > >>> buildbot and before this amalgamation of CIs list was thought > > >>> about. It > > >>> makes sense so I will do that soon, thanks for the suggestion > > >> > > >> It might be good to mention this list there as well. > > >> -Bertrand > > > > > > Yep good plan. > > > > > > A slight change to name to use as the main builds area to go to, > > > ci.apache.org has been advertised/blogged/tweeted/whatever as > > > belonging to > > > the buildbot setup. I think it is too late now to move that to another > > > domain. Either way, a new name was needed for either buildbot usage > > > or the > > > main builds area (landing page?). > > > > > > So, to keep inline with this list name etc, and Wendy proposed on > > > IRC that > > > builds.apache.org would be a better fit for the new area. > > > > > > If there are no objections I'd like to ask infra if they could set > > > that up > > > for us? (cc:d) > > > > > > Gav... > > > > Hmm, not crazy about this, but ok. Not sure why you didn't go with > > buildbot.apache.org. Taking ci.apache.org seems a little over reaching. > > > > Nige > > -- > Daniel Kulp > dk...@apache.org > http://www.dankulp.com/blog > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.2/2074 - Release Date: 4/22/2009 > 8:49 AM
Re: Welcome to the builds list!
Gav, Why should that page be generated by buildbot? Couldn't that one index.html just be a static page checked into SVN someplace and served directly? Dan On Thu April 23 2009 9:52:09 am Gavin wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Daniel Kulp [mailto:dk...@apache.org] > > Sent: Thursday, 23 April 2009 11:25 PM > > To: infrastruct...@apache.org > > Cc: Nigel Daley; Gavin; builds@apache.org > > Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! > > > > > > Is there any particular reason that the index page at ci.apache.org be > > updated > > to add sections for Hudson and Continuum? Would that solve everyones > > issues? > > I reckon I can do that yes. It is generated with twisted and buried in > buildbot somewhere but I'll look at doing that. > > To be clear, I'll move the current index page that shows the default > 'Welcome to Buildbot' to ci.apache.org/buildbot and replace it with a new > page that lists the other two CIs. > > As much as it seems strange hacking Buildbot code to advertise other CI > servers on it, it's what people want so hey ho. > > Gav... > > > Or maybe push buildbot stuff into ci.apache.org/buildbot, have > > ci.apache.org/hudson and continuum. There "index" at ci.apache.org > > would still mention and point to buildbot stuff, so existing blogs and > > stuff would > > still be "accurate". > > > > I'm failing to see what all the hub-bub is about. > > > > Dan > > > > On Thu April 23 2009 1:22:49 am Nigel Daley wrote: > > > On Apr 16, 2009, at 2:25 AM, Gavin wrote: > > > >> -Original Message- > > > >> From: bdelacre...@gmail.com [mailto:bdelacre...@gmail.com] On > > > >> Behalf Of > > > >> Bertrand Delacretaz > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2009 6:28 PM > > > >> To: builds@apache.org > > > >> Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! > > > >> > > > >> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Gavin > > > >> > > > >> wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Nigel Daley [mailto:nda...@yahoo-inc.com] > > > Also, Gavin can we have ci.apache.org go to a page that > > > points to > > > >> > > > >> the > > > >> > > > 3 CI choices that Apache projects have: Buildbot, Continuum, and > > > >> > > > >> Hudson? > > > >> > > > >>> Absolutely, ci.apache.org was created a couple of months back > > > >>> whilst > > > >> > > > >> testing > > > >> > > > >>> buildbot and before this amalgamation of CIs list was thought > > > >>> about. It > > > >>> makes sense so I will do that soon, thanks for the suggestion > > > >> > > > >> It might be good to mention this list there as well. > > > >> -Bertrand > > > > > > > > Yep good plan. > > > > > > > > A slight change to name to use as the main builds area to go to, > > > > ci.apache.org has been advertised/blogged/tweeted/whatever as > > > > belonging to > > > > the buildbot setup. I think it is too late now to move that to > > > > another domain. Either way, a new name was needed for either buildbot > > > > usage or the > > > > main builds area (landing page?). > > > > > > > > So, to keep inline with this list name etc, and Wendy proposed on > > > > IRC that > > > > builds.apache.org would be a better fit for the new area. > > > > > > > > If there are no objections I'd like to ask infra if they could set > > > > that up > > > > for us? (cc:d) > > > > > > > > Gav... > > > > > > Hmm, not crazy about this, but ok. Not sure why you didn't go with > > > buildbot.apache.org. Taking ci.apache.org seems a little over > > > reaching. > > > > > > Nige > > > > -- > > Daniel Kulp > > dk...@apache.org > > http://www.dankulp.com/blog > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.2/2074 - Release Date: > > 4/22/2009 8:49 AM -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org http://www.dankulp.com/blog
RE: Welcome to the builds list!
> -Original Message- > From: Daniel Kulp [mailto:dk...@apache.org] > Sent: Friday, 24 April 2009 12:03 AM > To: Gavin > Cc: infrastruct...@apache.org; builds@apache.org > Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! > > > Gav, > > Why should that page be generated by buildbot? Couldn't that one > index.html > just be a static page checked into SVN someplace and served directly? > > Dan > Actually I'm mistaken; all pages in buildbot are generated - except that one index.html that we are talking about. It is already in svn at infrastructure/buildbot/ceres/buildmaster/master1/public_html/index.html I'll change it in the morning. Gav... > > On Thu April 23 2009 9:52:09 am Gavin wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Daniel Kulp [mailto:dk...@apache.org] > > > Sent: Thursday, 23 April 2009 11:25 PM > > > To: infrastruct...@apache.org > > > Cc: Nigel Daley; Gavin; builds@apache.org > > > Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! > > > > > > > > > Is there any particular reason that the index page at ci.apache.org be > > > updated > > > to add sections for Hudson and Continuum? Would that solve everyones > > > issues? > > > > I reckon I can do that yes. It is generated with twisted and buried in > > buildbot somewhere but I'll look at doing that. > > > > To be clear, I'll move the current index page that shows the default > > 'Welcome to Buildbot' to ci.apache.org/buildbot and replace it with a > new > > page that lists the other two CIs. > > > > As much as it seems strange hacking Buildbot code to advertise other CI > > servers on it, it's what people want so hey ho. > > > > Gav... > > > > > Or maybe push buildbot stuff into ci.apache.org/buildbot, have > > > ci.apache.org/hudson and continuum. There "index" at ci.apache.org > > > would still mention and point to buildbot stuff, so existing blogs and > > > stuff would > > > still be "accurate". > > > > > > I'm failing to see what all the hub-bub is about. > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > On Thu April 23 2009 1:22:49 am Nigel Daley wrote: > > > > On Apr 16, 2009, at 2:25 AM, Gavin wrote: > > > > >> -Original Message- > > > > >> From: bdelacre...@gmail.com [mailto:bdelacre...@gmail.com] On > > > > >> Behalf Of > > > > >> Bertrand Delacretaz > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2009 6:28 PM > > > > >> To: builds@apache.org > > > > >> Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! > > > > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Gavin > > > > >> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Nigel Daley [mailto:nda...@yahoo-inc.com] > > > > Also, Gavin can we have ci.apache.org go to a page that > > > > points to > > > > >> > > > > >> the > > > > >> > > > > 3 CI choices that Apache projects have: Buildbot, Continuum, > and > > > > >> > > > > >> Hudson? > > > > >> > > > > >>> Absolutely, ci.apache.org was created a couple of months back > > > > >>> whilst > > > > >> > > > > >> testing > > > > >> > > > > >>> buildbot and before this amalgamation of CIs list was thought > > > > >>> about. It > > > > >>> makes sense so I will do that soon, thanks for the > suggestion > > > > >> > > > > >> It might be good to mention this list there as well. > > > > >> -Bertrand > > > > > > > > > > Yep good plan. > > > > > > > > > > A slight change to name to use as the main builds area to go to, > > > > > ci.apache.org has been advertised/blogged/tweeted/whatever as > > > > > belonging to > > > > > the buildbot setup. I think it is too late now to move that to > > > > > another domain. Either way, a new name was needed for either > buildbot > > > > > usage or the > > > > > main builds area (landing page?). > > > > > > > > > > So, to keep inline with this list name etc, and Wendy proposed on > > > > > IRC that > > > > > builds.apache.org would be a better fit for the new area. > > > > > > > > > > If there are no objections I'd like to ask infra if they could set > > > > > that up > > > > > for us? (cc:d) > > > > > > > > > > Gav... > > > > > > > > Hmm, not crazy about this, but ok. Not sure why you didn't go with > > > > buildbot.apache.org. Taking ci.apache.org seems a little over > > > > reaching. > > > > > > > > Nige > > > > > > -- > > > Daniel Kulp > > > dk...@apache.org > > > http://www.dankulp.com/blog > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG. > > > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.2/2074 - Release Date: > > > 4/22/2009 8:49 AM > > -- > Daniel Kulp > dk...@apache.org > http://www.dankulp.com/blog > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.2/2074 - Release Date: 4/22/2009 > 8:49 AM
Re: Welcome to the builds list!
fwiw, when we used Buildbot in SpamAssassin I had an apache instance running mod_proxy acting as a reverse proxy, using some mod_rewrite rules to serve a small set of static files and proxying for the rest: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/spamassassin/trunk/build/automc/etc-apache-local-conf-httpd.conf?r1=562468&r2=629767 however there was a problem with that, in that mod_proxy couldn't deal with the streaming results produced by buildbot. may have been fixed since then though. --j. On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 15:02, Daniel Kulp wrote: > > Gav, > > Why should that page be generated by buildbot? Couldn't that one index.html > just be a static page checked into SVN someplace and served directly? > > Dan > > > On Thu April 23 2009 9:52:09 am Gavin wrote: >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Daniel Kulp [mailto:dk...@apache.org] >> > Sent: Thursday, 23 April 2009 11:25 PM >> > To: infrastruct...@apache.org >> > Cc: Nigel Daley; Gavin; builds@apache.org >> > Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! >> > >> > >> > Is there any particular reason that the index page at ci.apache.org be >> > updated >> > to add sections for Hudson and Continuum? Would that solve everyones >> > issues? >> >> I reckon I can do that yes. It is generated with twisted and buried in >> buildbot somewhere but I'll look at doing that. >> >> To be clear, I'll move the current index page that shows the default >> 'Welcome to Buildbot' to ci.apache.org/buildbot and replace it with a new >> page that lists the other two CIs. >> >> As much as it seems strange hacking Buildbot code to advertise other CI >> servers on it, it's what people want so hey ho. >> >> Gav... >> >> > Or maybe push buildbot stuff into ci.apache.org/buildbot, have >> > ci.apache.org/hudson and continuum. There "index" at ci.apache.org >> > would still mention and point to buildbot stuff, so existing blogs and >> > stuff would >> > still be "accurate". >> > >> > I'm failing to see what all the hub-bub is about. >> > >> > Dan >> > >> > On Thu April 23 2009 1:22:49 am Nigel Daley wrote: >> > > On Apr 16, 2009, at 2:25 AM, Gavin wrote: >> > > >> -Original Message- >> > > >> From: bdelacre...@gmail.com [mailto:bdelacre...@gmail.com] On >> > > >> Behalf Of >> > > >> Bertrand Delacretaz >> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2009 6:28 PM >> > > >> To: builds@apache.org >> > > >> Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! >> > > >> >> > > >> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Gavin >> > > >> >> > > >> wrote: >> > > -Original Message- >> > > From: Nigel Daley [mailto:nda...@yahoo-inc.com] >> > > Also, Gavin can we have ci.apache.org go to a page that >> > > points to >> > > >> >> > > >> the >> > > >> >> > > 3 CI choices that Apache projects have: Buildbot, Continuum, and >> > > >> >> > > >> Hudson? >> > > >> >> > > >>> Absolutely, ci.apache.org was created a couple of months back >> > > >>> whilst >> > > >> >> > > >> testing >> > > >> >> > > >>> buildbot and before this amalgamation of CIs list was thought >> > > >>> about. It >> > > >>> makes sense so I will do that soon, thanks for the suggestion >> > > >> >> > > >> It might be good to mention this list there as well. >> > > >> -Bertrand >> > > > >> > > > Yep good plan. >> > > > >> > > > A slight change to name to use as the main builds area to go to, >> > > > ci.apache.org has been advertised/blogged/tweeted/whatever as >> > > > belonging to >> > > > the buildbot setup. I think it is too late now to move that to >> > > > another domain. Either way, a new name was needed for either buildbot >> > > > usage or the >> > > > main builds area (landing page?). >> > > > >> > > > So, to keep inline with this list name etc, and Wendy proposed on >> > > > IRC that >> > > > builds.apache.org would be a better fit for the new area. >> > > > >> > > > If there are no objections I'd like to ask infra if they could set >> > > > that up >> > > > for us? (cc:d) >> > > > >> > > > Gav... >> > > >> > > Hmm, not crazy about this, but ok. Not sure why you didn't go with >> > > buildbot.apache.org. Taking ci.apache.org seems a little over >> > > reaching. >> > > >> > > Nige >> > >> > -- >> > Daniel Kulp >> > dk...@apache.org >> > http://www.dankulp.com/blog >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG. >> > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.2/2074 - Release Date: >> > 4/22/2009 8:49 AM > > -- > Daniel Kulp > dk...@apache.org > http://www.dankulp.com/blog > >
Re: Welcome to the builds list!
Gavin, I really appreciate what you've done to setup builds@ and build.html. I think these are 2 steps that are very helpful to the Apache community. It has been very confusing for projects on where/ how to get automated builds up and running and I think these steps greatly improve that situation. Your activity here has propelled us to file INFRA-2015 to simplify Hudson's URL. Over the past 2.5 years of running Hudson (first on lucene.zones and then centralizing on hudson.zones), there have been a number of frustrating issues I've had to work through to get the resources we needed for Hudson. Now, I simply want projects to understand the options they have available. I apologize that I haven't been reading infra@ very closely over the past couple months and could have weighed in sooner with the suggestion that buildbot follow the hudson and continuum naming convention. Given you've now got ci.apache.org, I thought we agreed a couple weeks ago that the top level index.html would simply provide a pointer to the 3 build solutions. It wasn't clear why there was a change in that plan. Perhaps that's less important now that you've created build.html. Thanks, Nige On Apr 23, 2009, at 12:28 AM, Gavin wrote: -Original Message- From: Nigel Daley [mailto:nda...@yahoo-inc.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 April 2009 3:23 PM To: Gavin Cc: builds@apache.org; infrastruct...@apache.org Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! On Apr 16, 2009, at 2:25 AM, Gavin wrote: -Original Message- From: bdelacre...@gmail.com [mailto:bdelacre...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Bertrand Delacretaz Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2009 6:28 PM To: builds@apache.org Subject: Re: Welcome to the builds list! On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Gavin wrote: -Original Message- From: Nigel Daley [mailto:nda...@yahoo-inc.com] Also, Gavin can we have ci.apache.org go to a page that points to the 3 CI choices that Apache projects have: Buildbot, Continuum, and Hudson? Absolutely, ci.apache.org was created a couple of months back whilst testing buildbot and before this amalgamation of CIs list was thought about. It makes sense so I will do that soon, thanks for the suggestion It might be good to mention this list there as well. -Bertrand Yep good plan. A slight change to name to use as the main builds area to go to, ci.apache.org has been advertised/blogged/tweeted/whatever as belonging to the buildbot setup. I think it is too late now to move that to another domain. Either way, a new name was needed for either buildbot usage or the main builds area (landing page?). So, to keep inline with this list name etc, and Wendy proposed on IRC that builds.apache.org would be a better fit for the new area. If there are no objections I'd like to ask infra if they could set that up for us? (cc:d) Gav... Hmm, not crazy about this, but ok. You're a little behind, please see the mail entitled 'New landing page' - we didn't go with builds.apache.org either. Not sure why you didn't go with buildbot.apache.org. Taking ci.apache.org seems a little over reaching. What planet are you on? This isn't a competition. Everything I do around here you question with disdain, you continually angle at getting me to advertise Hudson wherever possible. ci.apache.org was chosen as buildbot.apache.org was rejected by other infra members as being to specific. ci.apache.org was someone else's idea. So it was enabled and I happily started setting up buildbot to use it. Then I though it would be a good idea to create a mailing list where folks could talk about buildbot and its services etc basically so I didn't have to join 200+ dev lists. Someone then said why not make it a list for all build services, so we did that. You then wanted a landing page area that people could go to to 'choose' between which build service they want, and you wanted to use ci.apache.org for it that buildbot was already using and was advertised as such, I offered builds.apache.org as an alternative, others in infra thought that creating new subdomain for one page was too much (you could call it 'a little over reaching') so I created a page called http://apache.org/dev/ builds.html (after ci.html was also rejected) - and I asked you to edit your section to suit which you have yet to do. Note that I am here for Buildbot, but I have bent over backwards to accommodate your moaning about Hudson. You haven't asked Continuum or Gump to advertise 'your' Hudson on their pages so why are you picking on me. I've helped everyone by creating a landing page, by getting this mail list set up, with the aim that every project can make use of for whichever build service they want to use, and you're still not happy. Where are your commits, what have you done? No doubt I'll regret hitting send here but heck, doing all this volunteer work only to get shot at every turn is getting to me. Ga
Ooops, I "Gracefully Shutdown" a slave.
Hi, Which poking around on ci.apache.org, I happened across http://ci.apache.org/buildslaves/ceres_ubuntu where I cheerfully hit the shutdown button. Now it says "NOT CONNECTED", which leads me to think I've royally screwed up. Anyway, sorry about that. I think there should at least be some security in place to prevent blunders of this nature ? -- Grant Smith
RE: Ooops, I "Gracefully Shutdown" a slave.
> -Original Message- > From: Grant Smith [mailto:work.gr...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, 24 April 2009 3:23 AM > To: builds@apache.org > Subject: Ooops, I "Gracefully Shutdown" a slave. > > Hi, > > Which poking around on ci.apache.org, I happened across > http://ci.apache.org/buildslaves/ceres_ubuntu where I cheerfully hit the > shutdown button. Now it says "NOT CONNECTED", which leads me to think I've > royally screwed up. hehe, nice one. I've restarted it now. > > Anyway, sorry about that. I think there should at least be some security > in > place to prevent blunders of this nature ? Yep, absolutely, I'll look at it today. Gav... > > -- > Grant Smith
Re: Welcome to the builds list!
On 04/23/2009 04:10 PM, Justin Mason wrote: > fwiw, when we used Buildbot in SpamAssassin I had an apache instance > running mod_proxy acting as a reverse proxy, using some mod_rewrite > rules to serve a small set of static files and proxying for the rest: > > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/spamassassin/trunk/build/automc/etc-apache-local-conf-httpd.conf?r1=562468&r2=629767 > > however there was a problem with that, in that mod_proxy couldn't deal > with the streaming results produced by buildbot. may have been fixed > since then though. Can you please try again? I guess we are now running on httpd 2.2.11 (actually what server used the above configuration?). If it still shows the old problem can you please open a Bugzilla report against httpd with more details such that we can check and fix it? Regards Rüdiger
