Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-26 Thread Ken Hohhof 
OK, but that was not our experience with the 450d antenna. I think even Matt 
admitted it was a couple dB less gain after touting its alleged improved 
performance.The other factor was speed license keys. We bought all our 450 SMs 
as 20 Mbps sustained but have spent $80 to upgrade around 25% of them to 
uncapped. 450b SMs are uncapped. I think 450d base license was 40 Mbps?I also 
don't remember if SMs before 450b could do 40 MHz channels. Original 
Message From: "castarritt" Sent: 11/26/2024 2:57:33 PMTo: "AnimalFarm 
Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipmentThe 
wideband 4.9-5.9Ghz antenna on the 450b was tuned for peak gain around 5.4ghz, 
and it had about 3dB less gain in 5725-5850 Mhz than a 450d?despite?the similar 
antenna dimensions.? We liked the 450d a lot because it had good gain in the 
primary band we were running our APs in, and it could be easily pole mounted on 
a rohn h20-50 unlike a KP reflector.On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 1:19?PM Ken Hohhof 
 wrote:450d was just a 450 SM with an integral dish, it had 
the same lower rcv gain as a 450b. It should have never existed.450b has higher 
xmt power than 450 SM, higher PPS thanks to faster CPU, and does 4.9 GHz thru 
5.9 GHz in one SKU. Original Message From: "castarritt" Sent: 
11/26/2024 11:34:04 AMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] removal of WISP equipmentYeah, the 450b "high" gain ended up a few dBi 
under a 450d or 450+reflector in 5.7ghz.? 450b peak gain was in DFS land where 
the gain on the AP antenna was the limiting factor, not the SM.On Tue, Nov 26, 
2024 at 9:52?AM Sam Lambie  wrote:Not really. 450b sucks 
with Fresnel issue and other limitations. 450 and 450 retro SM's with reflector 
dishes still do a solid job for us here in NM.On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 3:44?PM 
Ken Hohhof  wrote:Do you have 450 and 450b reversed??From: AF 
 On Behalf Of Sam LambieSent: Monday, November 25, 
2024 4:39 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment?Because a new 450 SM is $280. A perfectly 
good used radio is free for redeployment. We have a recovery list that the 
installers reference when they are in the area and swing by and pick up the 
radio and dish. We leave the mast and cable as it's now considered part of the 
house. It makes good business sense. Now 450b's can rot in hell as far as I 
care.?On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 11:25?AM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:Nope.? It's just business.? Why spend a 
greater amount to pick up the equipment??On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:44?PM David 
Hannum  wrote:Josh - I bet your nickname in school was 
Eeyore . . .??On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:00?PM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:$25 for a radio for $10 in gas to pick it 
up, $10 dealing with the customer, $10 in caulk/silicon, $10 hearing them 
complain about nothing, $10 in labor costs, $1000 in lost revenue because you 
wasted time picking up a $25 radio instead of hooking up a new customer?On Tue, 
Nov 19, 2024 at 10:01?AM David Hannum  wrote:Like Adam, 
we keep tabs of where the gear is and when?we are in the area, we swing by and 
pick it up.? But not sure why you'd not want to rescue good radios.? Folks like 
Wireless Units and Surplus?Wireless will purchase it off you, so don't just 
arbitrarily?abandon it.? $25 (or whatever they give you) for a used SM is at 
least something for it.?Dave?On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:26?AM Adam Moffett 
 wrote:About the same.? We kept a running list of 
"pickups" and it would be filler work for the field people. They'd remove the 
antenna and maybe the cable, but never worried about the POE.We usually got to 
them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the schedule for service 
calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do pickups.???On Mon, Nov 18, 
2024 at 12:30?PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]  wrote:We say: 
"we will grab it the next time we are in the area".?No special trip.?Jim???Sent 
via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone??? Original 
message From: Ken Hohhof  Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM 
(GMT-06:00) To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  Subject: 
[AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment ?We are starting to run into cases where 
customers cancel (most commonly to get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the 
CPE is still perfectly functional we would not redeploy it.? Like a Cambium 450 
SM with a reflector dish (as opposed to a 450b).? So we don?t want it back, and 
don?t want to send a tech out to remove it.?Sometimes customers insist they 
want us to take it off their house.? Is there some legal obligation for us to 
do this?? I think if you discontinue DISH or DirecTV and want the sat dish 
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Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

2024-11-26 Thread Bill Prince 
Watermarked or not, I would expect companies like Netflix/Hulu/Amazon to 
let into the wild "poisoned content" that might just brick a SuperBox. 
That's probably what I might do.



bp


On 11/25/2024 1:33 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

I wonder if the content is watermarked.
*From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
*Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from 
Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere.


Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers.

Jim Bouse

Brazos WiFi

979-999-7000

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow 
pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, 
Max, etc.?


bp


On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for
the added price they get all the content for free. I suppose they
sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero chance it will
become unavailable within months of the purchase.

On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince  wrote:
> OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference
between it and say a Roku Ultra.
>
> Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which
works great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~
$300-ish?
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Question for the collective.  Are these things pirate TV boxes? 
Combination of legit and bootleg? Totally legit?  I don’t want to
tie up support resources on video quality complaints about pirate
TV streams.
>
>
>
> https://buysuperbox.com/
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

2024-11-26 Thread chuck 
I would guess a US citizen is breaking the law by using illegal content 
irrespective of where it is hosted.
Just like it is illegal to bribe someone anywhere on the planet.  

That’s why I just tip them.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2024 2:26 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

Watermarked or not, I would expect companies like Netflix/Hulu/Amazon to let 
into the wild "poisoned content" that might just brick a SuperBox. That's 
probably what I might do.



bp
On 11/25/2024 1:33 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

  I wonder if the content is watermarked.



  From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
  Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

  From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from 
Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere.

  Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers.

   

  Jim Bouse

  Brazos WiFi

  979-999-7000

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

   

  So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate 
regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.?

   

bpOn 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added 
price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but there 
is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within months of the 
purchase. 

On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince  wrote:
> OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between 
it and say a Roku Ultra. 
>
> Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) 
for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish?
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Question for the collective.  Are these things pirate TV boxes?  
Combination of legit and bootleg?  Totally legit?  I don’t want to tie up 
support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams.
>
>  
>
> https://buysuperbox.com/
>
>  
> 




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Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

2024-11-26 Thread Ken Hohhof 
The customer who had one (actually a friend trying to convince them to buy one) 
said something about a “Blue TV” app.

 

You can buy an ONN brand Android TV box at Walmart for $20.  But someone puts a 
digital clock on the front and loads a pirate TV app on it, now it’s worth $250 
or $350.  And the hardware isn’t illegal, just like burglar tools and lock 
cutters aren’t illegal.

 

And I notice these magic free TV box companies don’t say anything about being 
able to watch network affiliates and cable channels and NFL and Netflix for 
free on their website, they put that on their social media site and Youtube 
videos.  Plausible deniability anyone?  Yet I get carded if I buy a can of 
spray paint at Home Depot.  You never know, I might be that criminal Banksy.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2024 4:04 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

 

Except in US politics now, where SCOTUS has allowed "donations" directly to 
officials now...

On 11/26/24 1:32 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com   wrote:

I would guess a US citizen is breaking the law by using illegal content 
irrespective of where it is hosted.

Just like it is illegal to bribe someone anywhere on the planet.  

 

That’s why I just tip them.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2024 2:26 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

 

Watermarked or not, I would expect companies like Netflix/Hulu/Amazon to let 
into the wild "poisoned content" that might just brick a SuperBox. That's 
probably what I might do.

 

bp


On 11/25/2024 1:33 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com   wrote:

I wonder if the content is watermarked.

 

 

 

From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

 

>From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from 
>Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere.

Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers.

 

Jim Bouse

Brazos WiFi

979-999-7000

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

 

So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate regular 
streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.?

 

bp


On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added price 
they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but there is 
certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within months of the 
purchase. 

On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between it 
> and say a Roku Ultra. 
>
> Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great) for 
> less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish?
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Question for the collective.  Are these things pirate TV boxes?  Combination 
> of legit and bootleg?  Totally legit?  I don’t want to tie up support 
> resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams.
>
>  
>
> https://buysuperbox.com/
>
>  
> 





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Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-26 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Well, technically, it's a 450b Retro. Original Message From: "Sam 
Lambie" Sent: 11/26/2024 9:52:14 AMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipmentNot really. 450b sucks with 
Fresnel issue and other limitations. 450 and 450 retro SM's with reflector 
dishes still do a solid job for us here in NM.On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 3:44?PM 
Ken Hohhof  wrote:Do you have 450 and 450b reversed??From: AF 
 On Behalf Of Sam LambieSent: Monday, November 25, 
2024 4:39 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment?Because a new 450 SM is $280. A perfectly 
good used radio is free for redeployment. We have a recovery list that the 
installers reference when they are in the area and swing by and pick up the 
radio and dish. We leave the mast and cable as it's now considered part of the 
house. It makes good business sense. Now 450b's can rot in hell as far as I 
care.?On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 11:25?AM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:Nope.? It's just business.? Why spend a 
greater amount to pick up the equipment??On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:44?PM David 
Hannum  wrote:Josh - I bet your nickname in school was 
Eeyore . . .??On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:00?PM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:$25 for a radio for $10 in gas to pick it 
up, $10 dealing with the customer, $10 in caulk/silicon, $10 hearing them 
complain about nothing, $10 in labor costs, $1000 in lost revenue because you 
wasted time picking up a $25 radio instead of hooking up a new customer?On Tue, 
Nov 19, 2024 at 10:01?AM David Hannum  wrote:Like Adam, 
we keep tabs of where the gear is and when?we are in the area, we swing by and 
pick it up.? But not sure why you'd not want to rescue good radios.? Folks like 
Wireless Units and Surplus?Wireless will purchase it off you, so don't just 
arbitrarily?abandon it.? $25 (or whatever they give you) for a used SM is at 
least something for it.?Dave?On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:26?AM Adam Moffett 
 wrote:About the same.? We kept a running list of 
"pickups" and it would be filler work for the field people. They'd remove the 
antenna and maybe the cable, but never worried about the POE.We usually got to 
them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the schedule for service 
calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do pickups.???On Mon, Nov 18, 
2024 at 12:30?PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]  wrote:We say: 
"we will grab it the next time we are in the area".?No special trip.?Jim???Sent 
via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone??? Original 
message From: Ken Hohhof  Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM 
(GMT-06:00) To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  Subject: 
[AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment ?We are starting to run into cases where 
customers cancel (most commonly to get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the 
CPE is still perfectly functional we would not redeploy it.? Like a Cambium 450 
SM with a reflector dish (as opposed to a 450b).? So we don?t want it back, and 
don?t want to send a tech out to remove it.?Sometimes customers insist they 
want us to take it off their house.? Is there some legal obligation for us to 
do this?? I think if you discontinue DISH or DirecTV and want the sat dish 
taken down, they don?t come do it (unless maybe you pay to have it done).-- AF 
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Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

2024-11-26 Thread Steve Jones 
was a joke, but probably not, they know theyre gonna get pirated left and
right, why not monetize it

as i understand it the box is allowed because it doesnt directly pirate
anything. Its the users pirating it.

>From a political standpoint theyre golden, the left wont come after them in
legislation because they want everything free and the right wont come after
them because holding a manufacturer responsible for a users action opens up
the gun manufacturer door.

The content streams are hosted in places where copyright isnt enforced and
mandatory ISP filtering isnt a thing that will ever work. Im guessing it
operates botnet style where a C&C keeps the content servers updated as they
get shut down and have to move. What I dont understand is how the
maintenance is paid on that infrastructure with the one time fee model. I
wonder if its security through obscurity where they infrastructure houses a
lot of the actual bad internet stuff, but since its hammered by housewives
using the box to watch the view and charmed, authorities have a harder time
filtering the bad content actors. May have to collect packets to see how
much content the bosses is serving outward onion

On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 12:22 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I wouldn't see how Netflix would invest if they're one of the ones being
> pirated.
>
> It was not clear to me that the box circumvented regular streaming
> content, as they did not really call out the fact that you could get
> Netflix *(etc.) without subscribing to same.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/26/2024 9:35 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> theyre selling them again. Its blatant piracy. but however theyre doing it
> circumvents laws and is greylegal. boss has had his for a long time,
> content has stayed available. netflix is probably an investor
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 4:11 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.streamtvinsider.com/video/exclusive-amazon-walmart-pull-streaming-boxes-linked-piracy
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> From: ch...@go-mtc.com
>> Sent: 11/25/2024 3:34:04 PM
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
>>
>> I wonder if the content is watermarked.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
>>
>>
>> From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from
>> Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere.
>>
>> Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>>
>> Brazos WiFi
>>
>> 979-999-7000
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
>>
>>
>>
>> So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate
>> regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.?
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added
>> price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but
>> there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within
>> months of the purchase.
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between
>> it and say a Roku Ultra.
>> >
>> > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works
>> great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish?
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> >
>> > Question for the collective.  Are these things pirate TV boxes?
>> Combination of legit and bootleg?  Totally legit?  I don’t want to tie up
>> support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > https://buysuperbox.com/
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

2024-11-26 Thread Robert 
Except in US politics now, where SCOTUS has allowed "donations" directly 
to officials now...


On 11/26/24 1:32 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
I would guess a US citizen is breaking the law by using illegal 
content irrespective of where it is hosted.

Just like it is illegal to bribe someone anywhere on the planet.
That’s why I just tip them.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2024 2:26 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

Watermarked or not, I would expect companies like Netflix/Hulu/Amazon 
to let into the wild "poisoned content" that might just brick a 
SuperBox. That's probably what I might do.


bp

On 11/25/2024 1:33 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

I wonder if the content is watermarked.
*From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
*Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from 
Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere.


Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers.

Jim Bouse

Brazos WiFi

979-999-7000

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow 
pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, 
Max, etc.?


bp


On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for
the added price they get all the content for free. I suppose they
sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero chance it will
become unavailable within months of the purchase.

On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince 
wrote:
> OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference
between it and say a Roku Ultra.
>
> Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which
works great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~
$300-ish?
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Question for the collective.  Are these things pirate TV
boxes?  Combination of legit and bootleg?  Totally legit?  I
don’t want to tie up support resources on video quality
complaints about pirate TV streams.
>
>
>
> https://buysuperbox.com/
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-26 Thread castarritt 
The wideband 4.9-5.9Ghz antenna on the 450b was tuned for peak gain around
5.4ghz, and it had about 3dB less gain in 5725-5850 Mhz than a
450d despite the similar antenna dimensions.  We liked the 450d a lot
because it had good gain in the primary band we were running our APs in,
and it could be easily pole mounted on a rohn h20-50 unlike a KP reflector.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> 450d was just a 450 SM with an integral dish, it had the same lower rcv
> gain as a 450b. It should have never existed.
>
> 450b has higher xmt power than 450 SM, higher PPS thanks to faster CPU,
> and does 4.9 GHz thru 5.9 GHz in one SKU.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "castarritt"
> Sent: 11/26/2024 11:34:04 AM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment
>
> Yeah, the 450b "high" gain ended up a few dBi under a 450d or
> 450+reflector in 5.7ghz.  450b peak gain was in DFS land where the gain on
> the AP antenna was the limiting factor, not the SM.
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:52?AM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Not really. 450b sucks with Fresnel issue and other limitations. 450 and
>> 450 retro SM's with reflector dishes still do a solid job for us here in NM.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 3:44?PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have 450 and 450b reversed?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 4:39 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Because a new 450 SM is $280. A perfectly good used radio is free for
>>> redeployment. We have a recovery list that the installers reference when
>>> they are in the area and swing by and pick up the radio and dish. We leave
>>> the mast and cable as it's now considered part of the house. It makes good
>>> business sense. Now 450b's can rot in hell as far as I care.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 11:25?AM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nope.  It's just business.  Why spend a greater amount to pick up the
>>> equipment?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:44?PM David Hannum 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Josh - I bet your nickname in school was Eeyore . . .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:00?PM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> $25 for a radio for $10 in gas to pick it up, $10 dealing with the
>>> customer, $10 in caulk/silicon, $10 hearing them complain about nothing,
>>> $10 in labor costs, $1000 in lost revenue because you wasted time picking
>>> up a $25 radio instead of hooking up a new customer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 10:01?AM David Hannum 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Like Adam, we keep tabs of where the gear is and when we are in the
>>> area, we swing by and pick it up.  But not sure why you'd not want to
>>> rescue good radios.  Folks like Wireless Units and Surplus Wireless will
>>> purchase it off you, so don't just arbitrarily abandon it.  $25 (or
>>> whatever they give you) for a used SM is at least something for it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:26?AM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> About the same.  We kept a running list of "pickups" and it would be
>>> filler work for the field people. They'd remove the antenna and maybe the
>>> cable, but never worried about the POE.
>>>
>>> We usually got to them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the
>>> schedule for service calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do
>>> pickups.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 12:30?PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
>>> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> We say: "we will grab it the next time we are in the area".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No special trip.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>>
>>> From: Ken Hohhof 
>>>
>>> Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>>
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>>
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are starting to run into cases where customers cancel (most commonly
>>> to get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the CPE is still perfectly
>>> functional we would not redeploy it.  Like a Cambium 450 SM with a
>>> reflector dish (as opposed to a 450b).  So we don’t want it back, and don’t
>>> want to send a tech out to remove it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sometimes customers insist they want us to take it off their house.  Is
>>> there some legal obligation for us to do this?  I think if you discontinue
>>> DISH or DirecTV and want the sat dish taken down, they don’t come do it
>>> (unless maybe you pay to have it done).
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Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

2024-11-26 Thread Bill Prince 
I wouldn't see how Netflix would invest if they're one of the ones being 
pirated.


It was not clear to me that the box circumvented regular streaming 
content, as they did not really call out the fact that you could get 
Netflix *(etc.) without subscribing to same.



bp


On 11/26/2024 9:35 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
theyre selling them again. Its blatant piracy. but however 
theyre doing it circumvents laws and is greylegal. boss has had his 
for a long time, content has stayed available. netflix is probably an 
investor


On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 4:11 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:


https://www.streamtvinsider.com/video/exclusive-amazon-walmart-pull-streaming-boxes-linked-piracy

 Original Message 
From: ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: 11/25/2024 3:34:04 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

I wonder if the content is watermarked.
*From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
*Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from
Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere.

Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers.

Jim Bouse

Brazos WiFi

979-999-7000

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow
pirate regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu,
Max, etc.?

bp



On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that
for the added price they get all the content for free. I
suppose they sort of do, but there is certainly a non-zero
chance it will become unavailable within months of the purchase.

On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince
 wrote:
> OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a
difference between it and say a Roku Ultra.
>
> Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which
works great) for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~
$300-ish?
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Question for the collective.  Are these things pirate TV
boxes?  Combination of legit and bootleg?  Totally legit?  I
don’t want to tie up support resources on video quality
complaints about pirate TV streams.
>
>
>
> https://buysuperbox.com/
>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-26 Thread Sam Lambie 
Not really. 450b sucks with Fresnel issue and other limitations. 450 and
450 retro SM's with reflector dishes still do a solid job for us here in NM.

On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 3:44 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Do you have 450 and 450b reversed?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 4:39 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment
>
>
>
> Because a new 450 SM is $280. A perfectly good used radio is free for
> redeployment. We have a recovery list that the installers reference when
> they are in the area and swing by and pick up the radio and dish. We leave
> the mast and cable as it's now considered part of the house. It makes good
> business sense. Now 450b's can rot in hell as far as I care.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 11:25 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Nope.  It's just business.  Why spend a greater amount to pick up the
> equipment?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:44 PM David Hannum  wrote:
>
> Josh - I bet your nickname in school was Eeyore . . .
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:00 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> $25 for a radio for $10 in gas to pick it up, $10 dealing with the
> customer, $10 in caulk/silicon, $10 hearing them complain about nothing,
> $10 in labor costs, $1000 in lost revenue because you wasted time picking
> up a $25 radio instead of hooking up a new customer
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 10:01 AM David Hannum 
> wrote:
>
> Like Adam, we keep tabs of where the gear is and when we are in the area,
> we swing by and pick it up.  But not sure why you'd not want to rescue good
> radios.  Folks like Wireless Units and Surplus Wireless will purchase it
> off you, so don't just arbitrarily abandon it.  $25 (or whatever they give
> you) for a used SM is at least something for it.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:26 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> About the same.  We kept a running list of "pickups" and it would be
> filler work for the field people. They'd remove the antenna and maybe the
> cable, but never worried about the POE.
>
> We usually got to them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the
> schedule for service calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do
> pickups.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 12:30 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>
> We say: "we will grab it the next time we are in the area".
>
>
>
> No special trip.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: Ken Hohhof 
>
> Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM (GMT-06:00)
>
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment
>
>
>
> We are starting to run into cases where customers cancel (most commonly to
> get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the CPE is still perfectly functional
> we would not redeploy it.  Like a Cambium 450 SM with a reflector dish (as
> opposed to a 450b).  So we don’t want it back, and don’t want to send a
> tech out to remove it.
>
>
>
> Sometimes customers insist they want us to take it off their house.  Is
> there some legal obligation for us to do this?  I think if you discontinue
> DISH or DirecTV and want the sat dish taken down, they don’t come do it
> (unless maybe you pay to have it done).
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Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-26 Thread castarritt 
Yeah, the 450b "high" gain ended up a few dBi under a 450d or 450+reflector
in 5.7ghz.  450b peak gain was in DFS land where the gain on the AP antenna
was the limiting factor, not the SM.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:52 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Not really. 450b sucks with Fresnel issue and other limitations. 450 and
> 450 retro SM's with reflector dishes still do a solid job for us here in NM.
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 3:44 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Do you have 450 and 450b reversed?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 4:39 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment
>>
>>
>>
>> Because a new 450 SM is $280. A perfectly good used radio is free for
>> redeployment. We have a recovery list that the installers reference when
>> they are in the area and swing by and pick up the radio and dish. We leave
>> the mast and cable as it's now considered part of the house. It makes good
>> business sense. Now 450b's can rot in hell as far as I care.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 11:25 AM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>> Nope.  It's just business.  Why spend a greater amount to pick up the
>> equipment?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:44 PM David Hannum 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Josh - I bet your nickname in school was Eeyore . . .
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:00 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> $25 for a radio for $10 in gas to pick it up, $10 dealing with the
>> customer, $10 in caulk/silicon, $10 hearing them complain about nothing,
>> $10 in labor costs, $1000 in lost revenue because you wasted time picking
>> up a $25 radio instead of hooking up a new customer
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 10:01 AM David Hannum 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Like Adam, we keep tabs of where the gear is and when we are in the area,
>> we swing by and pick it up.  But not sure why you'd not want to rescue good
>> radios.  Folks like Wireless Units and Surplus Wireless will purchase it
>> off you, so don't just arbitrarily abandon it.  $25 (or whatever they give
>> you) for a used SM is at least something for it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:26 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> About the same.  We kept a running list of "pickups" and it would be
>> filler work for the field people. They'd remove the antenna and maybe the
>> cable, but never worried about the POE.
>>
>> We usually got to them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the
>> schedule for service calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do
>> pickups.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 12:30 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
>> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>>
>> We say: "we will grab it the next time we are in the area".
>>
>>
>>
>> No special trip.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>>
>> From: Ken Hohhof 
>>
>> Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment
>>
>>
>>
>> We are starting to run into cases where customers cancel (most commonly
>> to get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the CPE is still perfectly
>> functional we would not redeploy it.  Like a Cambium 450 SM with a
>> reflector dish (as opposed to a 450b).  So we don’t want it back, and don’t
>> want to send a tech out to remove it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sometimes customers insist they want us to take it off their house.  Is
>> there some legal obligation for us to do this?  I think if you discontinue
>> DISH or DirecTV and want the sat dish taken down, they don’t come do it
>> (unless maybe you pay to have it done).
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Superbox

2024-11-26 Thread Steve Jones 
theyre selling them again. Its blatant piracy. but however theyre doing it
circumvents laws and is greylegal. boss has had his for a long time,
content has stayed available. netflix is probably an investor

On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 4:11 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>
> https://www.streamtvinsider.com/video/exclusive-amazon-walmart-pull-streaming-boxes-linked-piracy
>
>  Original Message 
> From: ch...@go-mtc.com
> Sent: 11/25/2024 3:34:04 PM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
>
> I wonder if the content is watermarked.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:25 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
>
>
> From what I can see, the “actual pirates” rip the content from
> Netflix/amazon/etc and host it elsewhere.
>
> Then the SuperBox streams from the pirate servers.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
>
> Brazos WiFi
>
> 979-999-7000
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2024 2:33 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Superbox
>
>
>
> So this gives access to some pirate channels, or does it somehow pirate
> regular streaming channels like Netflix, Prime Video, Hulu, Max, etc.?
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 11/25/2024 12:24 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Easy access to pirated content. They make people think that for the added
> price they get all the content for free. I suppose they sort of do, but
> there is certainly a non-zero chance it will become unavailable within
> months of the purchase.
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2024, Bill Prince  wrote:
> > OK. I looked that thing over, and I failed to find a difference between
> it and say a Roku Ultra.
> >
> > Please splain what I'm missing if I get a Roku Ultra (which works great)
> for less than $100, instead of this thing for ~~ $300-ish?
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 11/25/2024 9:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >
> > Question for the collective.  Are these things pirate TV boxes?
> Combination of legit and bootleg?  Totally legit?  I don’t want to tie up
> support resources on video quality complaints about pirate TV streams.
> >
> >
> >
> > https://buysuperbox.com/
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-26 Thread Ken Hohhof 
450d was just a 450 SM with an integral dish, it had the same lower rcv gain as 
a 450b. It should have never existed.450b has higher xmt power than 450 SM, 
higher PPS thanks to faster CPU, and does 4.9 GHz thru 5.9 GHz in one SKU. 
Original Message From: "castarritt" Sent: 11/26/2024 11:34:04 AMTo: 
"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP 
equipmentYeah, the 450b "high" gain ended up a few dBi under a 450d or 
450+reflector in 5.7ghz.? 450b peak gain was in DFS land where the gain on the 
AP antenna was the limiting factor, not the SM.On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:52?AM 
Sam Lambie  wrote:Not really. 450b sucks with Fresnel 
issue and other limitations. 450 and 450 retro SM's with reflector dishes still 
do a solid job for us here in NM.On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 3:44?PM Ken Hohhof 
 wrote:Do you have 450 and 450b reversed??From: AF 
 On Behalf Of Sam LambieSent: Monday, November 25, 
2024 4:39 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment?Because a new 450 SM is $280. A perfectly 
good used radio is free for redeployment. We have a recovery list that the 
installers reference when they are in the area and swing by and pick up the 
radio and dish. We leave the mast and cable as it's now considered part of the 
house. It makes good business sense. Now 450b's can rot in hell as far as I 
care.?On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 11:25?AM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:Nope.? It's just business.? Why spend a 
greater amount to pick up the equipment??On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:44?PM David 
Hannum  wrote:Josh - I bet your nickname in school was 
Eeyore . . .??On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:00?PM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:$25 for a radio for $10 in gas to pick it 
up, $10 dealing with the customer, $10 in caulk/silicon, $10 hearing them 
complain about nothing, $10 in labor costs, $1000 in lost revenue because you 
wasted time picking up a $25 radio instead of hooking up a new customer?On Tue, 
Nov 19, 2024 at 10:01?AM David Hannum  wrote:Like Adam, 
we keep tabs of where the gear is and when?we are in the area, we swing by and 
pick it up.? But not sure why you'd not want to rescue good radios.? Folks like 
Wireless Units and Surplus?Wireless will purchase it off you, so don't just 
arbitrarily?abandon it.? $25 (or whatever they give you) for a used SM is at 
least something for it.?Dave?On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:26?AM Adam Moffett 
 wrote:About the same.? We kept a running list of 
"pickups" and it would be filler work for the field people. They'd remove the 
antenna and maybe the cable, but never worried about the POE.We usually got to 
them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the schedule for service 
calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do pickups.???On Mon, Nov 18, 
2024 at 12:30?PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]  wrote:We say: 
"we will grab it the next time we are in the area".?No special trip.?Jim???Sent 
via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone??? Original 
message From: Ken Hohhof  Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM 
(GMT-06:00) To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  Subject: 
[AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment ?We are starting to run into cases where 
customers cancel (most commonly to get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the 
CPE is still perfectly functional we would not redeploy it.? Like a Cambium 450 
SM with a reflector dish (as opposed to a 450b).? So we don?t want it back, and 
don?t want to send a tech out to remove it.?Sometimes customers insist they 
want us to take it off their house.? Is there some legal obligation for us to 
do this?? I think if you discontinue DISH or DirecTV and want the sat dish 
taken down, they don?t come do it (unless maybe you pay to have it done).-- AF 
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