Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-19 Thread David Hannum 
Like Adam, we keep tabs of where the gear is and when we are in the area,
we swing by and pick it up.  But not sure why you'd not want to rescue good
radios.  Folks like Wireless Units and Surplus Wireless will purchase it
off you, so don't just arbitrarily abandon it.  $25 (or whatever they give
you) for a used SM is at least something for it.

Dave

On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:26 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> About the same.  We kept a running list of "pickups" and it would be
> filler work for the field people. They'd remove the antenna and maybe the
> cable, but never worried about the POE.
> We usually got to them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the
> schedule for service calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do
> pickups.
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 12:30 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>
>> We say: "we will grab it the next time we are in the area".
>>
>> No special trip.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Ken Hohhof 
>> Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment
>>
>> We are starting to run into cases where customers cancel (most commonly
>> to get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the CPE is still perfectly
>> functional we would not redeploy it.  Like a Cambium 450 SM with a
>> reflector dish (as opposed to a 450b).  So we don’t want it back, and don’t
>> want to send a tech out to remove it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sometimes customers insist they want us to take it off their house.  Is
>> there some legal obligation for us to do this?  I think if you discontinue
>> DISH or DirecTV and want the sat dish taken down, they don’t come do it
>> (unless maybe you pay to have it done).
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Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-19 Thread Josh Luthman 
$25 for a radio for $10 in gas to pick it up, $10 dealing with the
customer, $10 in caulk/silicon, $10 hearing them complain about nothing,
$10 in labor costs, $1000 in lost revenue because you wasted time picking
up a $25 radio instead of hooking up a new customer

On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 10:01 AM David Hannum  wrote:

> Like Adam, we keep tabs of where the gear is and when we are in the area,
> we swing by and pick it up.  But not sure why you'd not want to rescue good
> radios.  Folks like Wireless Units and Surplus Wireless will purchase it
> off you, so don't just arbitrarily abandon it.  $25 (or whatever they give
> you) for a used SM is at least something for it.
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:26 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> About the same.  We kept a running list of "pickups" and it would be
>> filler work for the field people. They'd remove the antenna and maybe the
>> cable, but never worried about the POE.
>> We usually got to them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the
>> schedule for service calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do
>> pickups.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 12:30 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
>> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We say: "we will grab it the next time we are in the area".
>>>
>>> No special trip.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Ken Hohhof 
>>> Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment
>>>
>>> We are starting to run into cases where customers cancel (most commonly
>>> to get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the CPE is still perfectly
>>> functional we would not redeploy it.  Like a Cambium 450 SM with a
>>> reflector dish (as opposed to a 450b).  So we don’t want it back, and don’t
>>> want to send a tech out to remove it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sometimes customers insist they want us to take it off their house.  Is
>>> there some legal obligation for us to do this?  I think if you discontinue
>>> DISH or DirecTV and want the sat dish taken down, they don’t come do it
>>> (unless maybe you pay to have it done).
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Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-19 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Customer would be happy with 200 Mbps for $35. Not gonna happen.Actually still 
no, because these days they have already switched providers when they call.We 
are in a rural area. Everybody knows everybody, seems like everybody's related 
going back generations. My policy is everybody pays the same price. If not, 
people find out, and no good comes of that.We know if there's a chance the 
customer will come back. Or it's a rental house and the next tenant might be a 
customer. Original Message From: chuck@go-mtc.comSent: 11/19/2024 
1:13:57 PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] removal 
of WISP equipment



If you have spare time, go make the former customer happy.? You might 
get them back if you give them a bit of personal customer service 
attention.? 


?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment
?

$25 for a radio for $10 in gas to pick it up, $10 dealing with the 
customer, $10 in caulk/silicon, $10 hearing them complain about nothing, $10 in 
labor costs, $1000 in lost revenue because you wasted time picking up a $25 
radio instead of hooking up a new customer
?

On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 10:01?AM David Hannum 
 wrote:

  Like Adam, we keep tabs of where the gear is and when we are in 
  the area, we swing by and pick it up.? But not sure why you'd not want to 
  rescue good radios.? Folks like Wireless Units and Surplus Wireless will 
  purchase it off you, so don't just arbitrarily abandon it.? $25 (or 
  whatever they give you) for a used SM is at least something for it. 
  ?
  Dave
  ?
  
  On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:26?AM Adam Moffett 
   wrote:
  
About the same.? We kept a running list of "pickups" and 
it would be filler work for the field people. They'd remove the antenna and 
maybe the cable, but never worried about the POE. 
We usually got to them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the 
schedule for service calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do 
pickups.? 
?

On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 12:30?PM Jim Bouse 
[Brazos WiFi]  
wrote:

  
  
  We say: "we will grab it the next time we are in the area".
  ?
  No special trip.
  ?
  Jim
  ?
  ?
  ?
  
  Sent via the Samsung 
  Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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  ?
   Original message 
  From: Ken Hohhof  
  Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM (GMT-06:00) 
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  
  Subject: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment 
  ?
  
  
  We are starting to run into cases where customers 
  cancel (most commonly to get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the CPE is 
  still perfectly functional we would not redeploy it.? Like a Cambium 
  450 SM with a reflector dish (as opposed to a 450b).? So we don?t 
  want it back, and don?t want to send a tech out to remove it.
  ?
  Sometimes customers insist they want us to take it off 
  their house.? Is there some legal obligation for us to do this?? 
  I think if you discontinue DISH or DirecTV and want the sat dish taken 
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Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-19 Thread chuck 
If you have spare time, go make the former customer happy.  You might get them 
back if you give them a bit of personal customer service attention.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

$25 for a radio for $10 in gas to pick it up, $10 dealing with the customer, 
$10 in caulk/silicon, $10 hearing them complain about nothing, $10 in labor 
costs, $1000 in lost revenue because you wasted time picking up a $25 radio 
instead of hooking up a new customer

On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 10:01 AM David Hannum  wrote:

  Like Adam, we keep tabs of where the gear is and when we are in the area, we 
swing by and pick it up.  But not sure why you'd not want to rescue good 
radios.  Folks like Wireless Units and Surplus Wireless will purchase it off 
you, so don't just arbitrarily abandon it.  $25 (or whatever they give you) for 
a used SM is at least something for it. 

  Dave

  On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:26 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

About the same.  We kept a running list of "pickups" and it would be filler 
work for the field people. They'd remove the antenna and maybe the cable, but 
never worried about the POE. 
We usually got to them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the 
schedule for service calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do 
pickups.  

On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 12:30 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
 wrote:

  We say: "we will grab it the next time we are in the area".

  No special trip.

  Jim



  Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone



   Original message 
  From: Ken Hohhof  
  Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM (GMT-06:00) 
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  
  Subject: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment 

  We are starting to run into cases where customers cancel (most commonly 
to get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the CPE is still perfectly functional 
we would not redeploy it.  Like a Cambium 450 SM with a reflector dish (as 
opposed to a 450b).  So we don’t want it back, and don’t want to send a tech 
out to remove it.



  Sometimes customers insist they want us to take it off their house.  Is 
there some legal obligation for us to do this?  I think if you discontinue DISH 
or DirecTV and want the sat dish taken down, they don’t come do it (unless 
maybe you pay to have it done).

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Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting

2024-11-19 Thread Ken Hohhof 
I have seen articles claiming they are running out of stuff to train LLMs on, 
and are trying to recursively train them on AI generated content, resulting in 
a plateau effect.

 

This article references a 1941 short story by Jorge Luis Borges.  My dad has a 
job in Argentina around 1965 and I lived there for 2 years before heading back 
for college.  I vaguely remember reading that short story.  (probably an 
English translation, my Spanish was mediocre at best)  Borges was a renowned 
author and national hero, not sure this was his best work.  Seems pretty 
similar to monkeys with typewriters writing the works of Shakespeare.  But 
maybe that also describes the current state of generative AI.  It can quickly 
generate tons of crap, and you have to scan through it looking for gems.

 

https://www.zmescience.com/future/how-an-83-year-old-short-story-may-predict-the-chaotic-collapse-of-the-open-internet/

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 10:30 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting

 

My question is what happens when there is no one actually doing the work that 
the AI bases its information on.  For example I most commonly use it for 
programming mainly because I am a mediocre coder at best. What I once would 
post questions on stack overflow or other message boards I now just as ChatGPT. 
If the traffic to these forums an such decrease then where will the AI pull its 
knowledge base from?

 

On 11/18/24 9:50 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com   wrote:

Never found it to be worth the effort to use and edit.  But I used to write 
magazines columns on deadline so spewing verbiage comes easy for me.  

 

 

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 8:05 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting

 

I've been using ChatGPT for all kinds of "write this letter" or write a "multi 
page document describing something".  It's a good ToC with a few good 
sentences/paragraphs.  It does so much heavy lifting. 

 

The article suggests someone is doing the same, but for their job application.  
Why write a story describing yourself when a bot will do it for you?

 

On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 6:28 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

You guys sometimes talk about the challenges of the recruiting game.  If this 
article is correct, I’m glad I’m not in that game, either as a candidate, or a 
hiring manager.

 

This really makes me feel like a dinosaur, and I don’t know how this even 
works.  Like with a bot sending out a thousand tailored application letters per 
day, to be screened by other bots.  I’m hoping this is either just a garbage 
article, or only applies to certain job categories.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-19 Thread Adam Moffett 
About the same.  We kept a running list of "pickups" and it would be filler
work for the field people. They'd remove the antenna and maybe the cable,
but never worried about the POE.
We usually got to them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the
schedule for service calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do
pickups.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 12:30 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> We say: "we will grab it the next time we are in the area".
>
> No special trip.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Ken Hohhof 
> Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment
>
> We are starting to run into cases where customers cancel (most commonly to
> get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the CPE is still perfectly functional
> we would not redeploy it.  Like a Cambium 450 SM with a reflector dish (as
> opposed to a 450b).  So we don’t want it back, and don’t want to send a
> tech out to remove it.
>
>
>
> Sometimes customers insist they want us to take it off their house.  Is
> there some legal obligation for us to do this?  I think if you discontinue
> DISH or DirecTV and want the sat dish taken down, they don’t come do it
> (unless maybe you pay to have it done).
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Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting

2024-11-19 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Trust but verify? Original Message From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: 
11/19/2024 1:00:20 PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] AI and recruitingExcept when it makes glaring mistakes like telling it 
to add 30 to a variable and it divides by 7 instead :/On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 
11:58?AM  wrote:




I think coding is a perfect application for AI.? Writing prose, not so 
much.? 
?
?


?

From: Trey 
Scarborough 
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 9:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting
?

My question is what happens when there is no one actually doing the work that 
the AI bases its information on.? For example I most commonly use it for 
programming mainly because I am a mediocre coder at best. What I once would 
post 
questions on stack overflow or other message boards I now just as ChatGPT. If 
the traffic to these forums an such decrease then where will the AI pull its 
knowledge base from?
?
On 11/18/24 9:50 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

  
  
  Never found it to be worth the effort to use and edit.? But I used 
  to write magazines columns on deadline so spewing verbiage comes easy for 
  me.? 
  ?
  ?
  
  
  ?
  
  From: Josh Luthman 
  
  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 8:05 PM
  To: AnimalFarm 
  Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting
  ?
  
  I've been using ChatGPT for all kinds of "write this letter" or 
  write a "multi page document describing something".? It's a good ToC with 
  a few good sentences/paragraphs.? It does so much heavy lifting. 
  ?
  The article suggests someone is doing the same, but for their job 
  application.? Why write a story describing yourself when a bot will do it 
  for you?
  ?
  
  On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 6:28?PM Ken Hohhof 
   wrote:
  



You guys sometimes talk about the challenges of the 
recruiting game.? If this article is correct, I?m glad I?m not in that 
game, either as a candidate, or a hiring manager.
?
This really makes me feel like a dinosaur, and I don?t 
know how this even works.? Like with a bot sending out a thousand 
tailored application letters per day, to be screened by other bots.? 
I?m hoping this is either just a garbage article, or only applies to 
certain 
job categories.
?

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Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-19 Thread David Hannum 
And we have Chuck - multiple times . . .

On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:14 PM  wrote:

> If you have spare time, go make the former customer happy.  You might get
> them back if you give them a bit of personal customer service attention.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2024 11:53 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment
>
> $25 for a radio for $10 in gas to pick it up, $10 dealing with the
> customer, $10 in caulk/silicon, $10 hearing them complain about nothing,
> $10 in labor costs, $1000 in lost revenue because you wasted time picking
> up a $25 radio instead of hooking up a new customer
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 10:01 AM David Hannum 
> wrote:
>
>> Like Adam, we keep tabs of where the gear is and when we are in the area,
>> we swing by and pick it up.  But not sure why you'd not want to rescue good
>> radios.  Folks like Wireless Units and Surplus Wireless will purchase it
>> off you, so don't just arbitrarily abandon it.  $25 (or whatever they give
>> you) for a used SM is at least something for it.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:26 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> About the same.  We kept a running list of "pickups" and it would be
>>> filler work for the field people. They'd remove the antenna and maybe the
>>> cable, but never worried about the POE.
>>> We usually got to them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the
>>> schedule for service calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do
>>> pickups.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 12:30 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
>>> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>>>
 We say: "we will grab it the next time we are in the area".

 No special trip.

 Jim



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  Original message 
 From: Ken Hohhof 
 Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM (GMT-06:00)
 To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
 Subject: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment


 We are starting to run into cases where customers cancel (most commonly
 to get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the CPE is still perfectly
 functional we would not redeploy it.  Like a Cambium 450 SM with a
 reflector dish (as opposed to a 450b).  So we don’t want it back, and don’t
 want to send a tech out to remove it.



 Sometimes customers insist they want us to take it off their house.  Is
 there some legal obligation for us to do this?  I think if you discontinue
 DISH or DirecTV and want the sat dish taken down, they don’t come do it
 (unless maybe you pay to have it done).
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Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-19 Thread David Hannum 
Josh - I bet your nickname in school was Eeyore . . .

On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:00 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> $25 for a radio for $10 in gas to pick it up, $10 dealing with the
> customer, $10 in caulk/silicon, $10 hearing them complain about nothing,
> $10 in labor costs, $1000 in lost revenue because you wasted time picking
> up a $25 radio instead of hooking up a new customer
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 10:01 AM David Hannum 
> wrote:
>
>> Like Adam, we keep tabs of where the gear is and when we are in the area,
>> we swing by and pick it up.  But not sure why you'd not want to rescue good
>> radios.  Folks like Wireless Units and Surplus Wireless will purchase it
>> off you, so don't just arbitrarily abandon it.  $25 (or whatever they give
>> you) for a used SM is at least something for it.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:26 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> About the same.  We kept a running list of "pickups" and it would be
>>> filler work for the field people. They'd remove the antenna and maybe the
>>> cable, but never worried about the POE.
>>> We usually got to them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the
>>> schedule for service calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do
>>> pickups.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 12:30 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
>>> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>>>
 We say: "we will grab it the next time we are in the area".

 No special trip.

 Jim



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  Original message 
 From: Ken Hohhof 
 Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM (GMT-06:00)
 To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
 Subject: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

 We are starting to run into cases where customers cancel (most commonly
 to get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the CPE is still perfectly
 functional we would not redeploy it.  Like a Cambium 450 SM with a
 reflector dish (as opposed to a 450b).  So we don’t want it back, and don’t
 want to send a tech out to remove it.



 Sometimes customers insist they want us to take it off their house.  Is
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 DISH or DirecTV and want the sat dish taken down, they don’t come do it
 (unless maybe you pay to have it done).
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Re: [AFMUG] new FCC boss

2024-11-19 Thread Bill Prince 
Well, Carr is the actual author of the FCC portion of Project 25, so 
he's pretty much written what he would intend to do. According to the 
commentary printed in Newsweek 
(https://www.newsweek.com/brendan-carr-trump-fcc-pick-project-2025-chapter-1987413), 
he would have 4 main priorities:


1. Rein in big tech
2. Promote National Security
3. Unleash economic prosperity
4. Ensure FCC accountability and good governence

So there is little to nothing in the bullet points that mention the 
little guy. I would expect he would ignore the little guy.


The national security part is a non-specific reference to killing Tiktok.

The economic prosperity is a direct boost to Starlink (and is mentioned 
by name in Project 25).


The accountability part indicates that he wants more transparency, and I 
think that is a good thing.



bp


On 11/18/2024 10:55 AM, Dev wrote:

So what will Carr do for/against the little guys?
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Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting

2024-11-19 Thread Trey Scarborough 
My question is what happens when there is no one actually doing the work 
that the AI bases its information on.  For example I most commonly use 
it for programming mainly because I am a mediocre coder at best. What I 
once would post questions on stack overflow or other message boards I 
now just as ChatGPT. If the traffic to these forums an such decrease 
then where will the AI pull its knowledge base from?



On 11/18/24 9:50 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
Never found it to be worth the effort to use and edit. But I used to 
write magazines columns on deadline so spewing verbiage comes easy for 
me.

*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, November 18, 2024 8:05 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting
I've been using ChatGPT for all kinds of "write this letter" or write 
a "multi page document describing something".  It's a good ToC with a 
few good sentences/paragraphs.  It does so much heavy lifting.
The article suggests someone is doing the same, but for their job 
application.  Why write a story describing yourself when a bot will do 
it for you?

On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 6:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

You guys sometimes talk about the challenges of the recruiting
game.  If this article is correct, I’m glad I’m not in that game,
either as a candidate, or a hiring manager.

This really makes me feel like a dinosaur, and I don’t know how
this even works.  Like with a bot sending out a thousand tailored
application letters per day, to be screened by other bots.  I’m
hoping this is either just a garbage article, or only applies to
certain job categories.


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Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting

2024-11-19 Thread Josh Luthman 
Don't trust, definitely verify.

It does a beautiful job at creating the structure.  Spaces instead of
tabs.  It does a decent job of forming but you still need to pound the
stakes.

On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:16 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Trust but verify?
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Josh Luthman"
> Sent: 11/19/2024 1:00:20 PM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting
>
> Except when it makes glaring mistakes like telling it to add 30 to a
> variable and it divides by 7 instead :/
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 11:58?AM  wrote:
>
>> I think coding is a perfect application for AI.  Writing prose, not so
>> much.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Trey Scarborough
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2024 9:29 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting
>>
>>
>> My question is what happens when there is no one actually doing the work
>> that the AI bases its information on.  For example I most commonly use it
>> for programming mainly because I am a mediocre coder at best. What I once
>> would post questions on stack overflow or other message boards I now just
>> as ChatGPT. If the traffic to these forums an such decrease then where will
>> the AI pull its knowledge base from?
>>
>>
>> On 11/18/24 9:50 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
>>
>> Never found it to be worth the effort to use and edit.  But I used to
>> write magazines columns on deadline so spewing verbiage comes easy for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 18, 2024 8:05 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting
>>
>> I've been using ChatGPT for all kinds of "write this letter" or write a
>> "multi page document describing something".  It's a good ToC with a few
>> good sentences/paragraphs.  It does so much heavy lifting.
>>
>> The article suggests someone is doing the same, but for their job
>> application.  Why write a story describing yourself when a bot will do it
>> for you?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 6:28?PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> You guys sometimes talk about the challenges of the recruiting game.  If
>>> this article is correct, I’m glad I’m not in that game, either as a
>>> candidate, or a hiring manager.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This really makes me feel like a dinosaur, and I don’t know how this
>>> even works.  Like with a bot sending out a thousand tailored application
>>> letters per day, to be screened by other bots.  I’m hoping this is either
>>> just a garbage article, or only applies to certain job categories.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/ai-making-job-applications-easier-creating-another-problem-rcna179683
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Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-19 Thread Ken Hohhof 
In my area a few of them would have been bit by dogs, or shot at. Original 
Message From: chuck@go-mtc.comSent: 11/19/2024 1:14:19 PMTo: "AnimalFarm 
Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment



One year I had all my installers take a full day on Feb 14 to deliver a 
rose to every former customer.? We got a few back that day.? 


?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment
?

$25 for a radio for $10 in gas to pick it up, $10 dealing with the 
customer, $10 in caulk/silicon, $10 hearing them complain about nothing, $10 in 
labor costs, $1000 in lost revenue because you wasted time picking up a $25 
radio instead of hooking up a new customer
?

On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 10:01?AM David Hannum 
 wrote:

  Like Adam, we keep tabs of where the gear is and when we are in 
  the area, we swing by and pick it up.? But not sure why you'd not want to 
  rescue good radios.? Folks like Wireless Units and Surplus Wireless will 
  purchase it off you, so don't just arbitrarily abandon it.? $25 (or 
  whatever they give you) for a used SM is at least something for it. 
  ?
  Dave
  ?
  
  On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:26?AM Adam Moffett 
   wrote:
  
About the same.? We kept a running list of "pickups" and 
it would be filler work for the field people. They'd remove the antenna and 
maybe the cable, but never worried about the POE. 
We usually got to them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the 
schedule for service calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do 
pickups.? 
?

On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 12:30?PM Jim Bouse 
[Brazos WiFi]  
wrote:

  
  
  We say: "we will grab it the next time we are in the area".
  ?
  No special trip.
  ?
  Jim
  ?
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  Sent via the Samsung 
  Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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  Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM (GMT-06:00) 
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  
  Subject: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment 
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  We are starting to run into cases where customers 
  cancel (most commonly to get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the CPE is 
  still perfectly functional we would not redeploy it.? Like a Cambium 
  450 SM with a reflector dish (as opposed to a 450b).? So we don?t 
  want it back, and don?t want to send a tech out to remove it.
  ?
  Sometimes customers insist they want us to take it off 
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Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting

2024-11-19 Thread chuck 
What I took from that article is that I am totally safe.  I am not on X or tic 
toc.  



From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 4:09 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting

I have seen articles claiming they are running out of stuff to train LLMs on, 
and are trying to recursively train them on AI generated content, resulting in 
a plateau effect.

 

This article references a 1941 short story by Jorge Luis Borges.  My dad has a 
job in Argentina around 1965 and I lived there for 2 years before heading back 
for college.  I vaguely remember reading that short story.  (probably an 
English translation, my Spanish was mediocre at best)  Borges was a renowned 
author and national hero, not sure this was his best work.  Seems pretty 
similar to monkeys with typewriters writing the works of Shakespeare.  But 
maybe that also describes the current state of generative AI.  It can quickly 
generate tons of crap, and you have to scan through it looking for gems.

 

https://www.zmescience.com/future/how-an-83-year-old-short-story-may-predict-the-chaotic-collapse-of-the-open-internet/

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 10:30 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting

 

My question is what happens when there is no one actually doing the work that 
the AI bases its information on.  For example I most commonly use it for 
programming mainly because I am a mediocre coder at best. What I once would 
post questions on stack overflow or other message boards I now just as ChatGPT. 
If the traffic to these forums an such decrease then where will the AI pull its 
knowledge base from?

 

On 11/18/24 9:50 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

  Never found it to be worth the effort to use and edit.  But I used to write 
magazines columns on deadline so spewing verbiage comes easy for me.  

   

   

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 8:05 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting

   

  I've been using ChatGPT for all kinds of "write this letter" or write a 
"multi page document describing something".  It's a good ToC with a few good 
sentences/paragraphs.  It does so much heavy lifting. 

   

  The article suggests someone is doing the same, but for their job 
application.  Why write a story describing yourself when a bot will do it for 
you?

   

  On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 6:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

You guys sometimes talk about the challenges of the recruiting game.  If 
this article is correct, I’m glad I’m not in that game, either as a candidate, 
or a hiring manager.

 

This really makes me feel like a dinosaur, and I don’t know how this even 
works.  Like with a bot sending out a thousand tailored application letters per 
day, to be screened by other bots.  I’m hoping this is either just a garbage 
article, or only applies to certain job categories.

 


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Re: [AFMUG] new FCC boss

2024-11-19 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Maybe we should worry about RFK at 
HHS.https://www.lightreading.com/regulatory-politics/trump-s-health-secretary-pick-has-said-wireless-tech-might-make-you-sick
 Original Message From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" Sent: 11/19/2024 
1:46:03 AMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new FCC 
bossElon seems to be very anti-subsidy.? He has made multiple statements to 
that effect over the years when asked.? Even ones that would add funds to his 
own companies.?Obviously if the government is giving out money you'd rather 
them give it to you instead of your competition.? But as has been already 
said,? the money is rarely free.? I've gotten the impression that Musk is just 
tired of the government picking winners and losers and just want them to get 
out of the subsidy business.? I'm not a great fan of Musk in many ways,? but in 
this case I'd generally agree.If we're actually being honest, there really 
aren't many square miles in the US that can't get a usable broadband 
connection, assuming you believe like I do that Starlink is more than usable.? 
?I have a starlink dish which I use on the rare occasions when my primary home 
link is down.? I don't remember the last time I saw a link test under 100mb/s 
when I've swapped over to it.? ?Latency is low enough I that I can't tell for 
sure which link I'm on.???Mon, Nov 18, 2024, 4:26 PM Dev 
 wrote:It seems likely that he?ll receive pressure to 
include Starlink in BEAD, since, you know, Elon. It seems opaque whether he?ll 
see the value of open/shared/lightly licensed spectrum, especially something 
sub 5GHz, but that?s what I want for Christmas, in case he calls and asks.Maybe 
I should upgrade my phone so I don?t miss the call.On Nov 18, 2024, at 3:01?PM, 
  wrote:When in college I was a fiscal 
conservative, small government, don?t waste money.? All except for pell 
grants...?From:?Ken HohhofSent:?Monday, November 18, 2024 3:38 
PMTo:?'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'Subject:?Re: [AFMUG] new FCC boss?It?s 
hard to keep track, like I can?t remember are they going to ban Tiktok, or save 
it??And are EVs good, or bad??And what if all the fiber techs are illegal 
immigrants??As far as BEAD, even without a DOGE department, a lot of people 
might agree that BEAD is way too big and a waste of taxpayer money.? But is it 
too late to get the genie back in the bottle?? Normally I would think so.? But 
the next administration is promising a lot of things that I would normally 
think are too outside the box, so maybe BEAD could get cancelled or at least 
get a severe haircut.?From:?AF ?On Behalf 
Of?chuck@go-mtc.comSent:?Monday, November 18, 2024 1:54 PMTo:?AnimalFarm 
Microwave Users Group Subject:?Re: [AFMUG] new FCC boss?We 
will see.? We can hope.??From:?Mike Hammett?Sent:?Monday, November 18, 2024 
12:50 PMTo:?AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group?Subject:?Re: [AFMUG] new FCC 
boss?Historically, Republicans were about reduced spending. That's 
gone.-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet 
ExchangeThe Brothers WISPFrom:?chuck@go-mtc.comTo:?"AnimalFarm Microwave Users 
Group" Sent:?Monday, November 18, 2024 1:42:39 PMSubject:?Re: 
[AFMUG] new FCC bossHistorically, republican administrations were always 
against the USDA RUS programs.? I presume they will be against the Bead if they 
can be.? As far as the FCC goes, one would think Elon would be no friend to the 
WISPS.? Who knows???From:?Dev?Sent:?Monday, November 18, 2024 12:08 
PMTo:?AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group?Subject:?Re: [AFMUG] new FCC boss?I see 
this in Politico "Carr has repeatedly pushed for a more aggressive plan to free 
up wireless spectrum for the private sector? and wonder what that means, aside 
from auctioning it all off to VZ/ATT/etc., will we get any without billions to 
spend???On Nov 18, 2024, at 11:01?AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:?I 
said this to someone on FB:??What is the source of your appreciation for Carr? 
Is it something solid like a variety of specific policy proposals he has talked 
about or is it simply because he said things favorably of your preferred 
political candidate??Neither party is really all that great for small 
operators. There's a Venn Diagram of sorts of things that are for and against 
small ISPs with both parties, with neither party really taking home the prize 
for best.-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet 
ExchangeThe Brothers WISPFrom:?"Dev" 
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Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-19 Thread Peter Kranz via AF 
I think abandoned equipment is a liability, we remove anything not active
(or at least try to).. it's low priority work that fills any time in the
schedule.

 

-Peter

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 9:15 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

 

We are starting to run into cases where customers cancel (most commonly to
get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the CPE is still perfectly functional
we would not redeploy it.  Like a Cambium 450 SM with a reflector dish (as
opposed to a 450b).  So we don't want it back, and don't want to send a tech
out to remove it.

 

Sometimes customers insist they want us to take it off their house.  Is
there some legal obligation for us to do this?  I think if you discontinue
DISH or DirecTV and want the sat dish taken down, they don't come do it
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Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting

2024-11-19 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Reddit? Original Message From: chuck@go-mtc.comSent: 11/19/2024 5:59:37 
PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting


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What I took from that article is that I am totally safe.? I am not on 
X or tic toc.? 
?
?


?

From: Ken 
Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 4:09 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting
?


I have seen articles claiming 
they are running out of stuff to train LLMs on, and are trying to recursively 
train them on AI generated content, resulting in a plateau 
effect.
?
This article references a 1941 
short story by Jorge Luis Borges.? My dad has a job in Argentina around 
1965 and I lived there for 2 years before heading back for college.? I 
vaguely remember reading that short story.? (probably an English 
translation, my Spanish was mediocre at best)? Borges was a renowned author 
and national hero, not sure this was his best work.? Seems pretty similar 
to monkeys with typewriters writing the works of Shakespeare.? But maybe 
that also describes the current state of generative AI.? It can quickly 
generate tons of crap, and you have to scan through it looking for 
gems.
?
https://www.zmescience.com/future/how-an-83-year-old-short-story-may-predict-the-chaotic-collapse-of-the-open-internet/
?
?


From: AF 
 On Behalf Of Trey 
ScarboroughSent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 10:30 AMTo: 
af@af.afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] AI and 
recruiting
?
My question is what happens when there is no one actually doing the work that 
the AI bases its information on.? For example I most commonly use it for 
programming mainly because I am a mediocre coder at best. What I once would 
post 
questions on stack overflow or other message boards I now just as ChatGPT. If 
the traffic to these forums an such decrease then where will the AI pull its 
knowledge base from?
?

On 11/18/24 9:50 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com 
wrote:

  
  
  
  Never found it to be 
  worth the effort to use and edit.? But I used to write magazines columns 
  on deadline so spewing verbiage comes easy for me.? 
  
  
  ?
  
  ?
  
  
  
  ?
  
  
  From: Josh 
  Luthman 
  
  Sent: 
  Monday, November 18, 2024 8:05 PM
  
  To: 
  AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  
  Subject: Re: 
  [AFMUG] AI and recruiting
  
  ?
  
  
  I've been using 
  ChatGPT for all kinds of "write this letter" or write a "multi page document 
  describing something".? It's a good ToC with a few good 
  sentences/paragraphs.? It does so much heavy lifting. 
  
  
  ?
  
  The article suggests 
  someone is doing the same, but for their job application.? Why write a 
  story describing yourself when a bot will do it for 
  you?
  
  ?
  
  
  On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 
  at 6:28?PM Ken Hohhof  
  wrote:
  



You guys sometimes 
talk about the challenges of the recruiting game.? If this article is 
correct, I?m glad I?m not in that game, either as a candidate, or a hiring 
manager.
?
This really makes me 
feel like a dinosaur, and I don?t know how this even works.? Like with 
a bot sending out a thousand tailored application letters per day, to be 
screened by other bots.? I?m hoping this is either just a garbage 
article, or only applies to certain job categories.
?

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Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-19 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Liability in what sense?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 7:11 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Peter Kranz 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

 

I think abandoned equipment is a liability, we remove anything not active
(or at least try to).. it's low priority work that fills any time in the
schedule.

 

-Peter

 

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Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 9:15 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

 

We are starting to run into cases where customers cancel (most commonly to
get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the CPE is still perfectly functional
we would not redeploy it.  Like a Cambium 450 SM with a reflector dish (as
opposed to a 450b).  So we don't want it back, and don't want to send a tech
out to remove it.

 

Sometimes customers insist they want us to take it off their house.  Is
there some legal obligation for us to do this?  I think if you discontinue
DISH or DirecTV and want the sat dish taken down, they don't come do it
(unless maybe you pay to have it done).

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Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting

2024-11-19 Thread chuck 
I think coding is a perfect application for AI.  Writing prose, not so much.  



From: Trey Scarborough 
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 9:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting

My question is what happens when there is no one actually doing the work that 
the AI bases its information on.  For example I most commonly use it for 
programming mainly because I am a mediocre coder at best. What I once would 
post questions on stack overflow or other message boards I now just as ChatGPT. 
If the traffic to these forums an such decrease then where will the AI pull its 
knowledge base from?



On 11/18/24 9:50 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

  Never found it to be worth the effort to use and edit.  But I used to write 
magazines columns on deadline so spewing verbiage comes easy for me.  



  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 8:05 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting

  I've been using ChatGPT for all kinds of "write this letter" or write a 
"multi page document describing something".  It's a good ToC with a few good 
sentences/paragraphs.  It does so much heavy lifting. 

  The article suggests someone is doing the same, but for their job 
application.  Why write a story describing yourself when a bot will do it for 
you?

  On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 6:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

You guys sometimes talk about the challenges of the recruiting game.  If 
this article is correct, I’m glad I’m not in that game, either as a candidate, 
or a hiring manager.



This really makes me feel like a dinosaur, and I don’t know how this even 
works.  Like with a bot sending out a thousand tailored application letters per 
day, to be screened by other bots.  I’m hoping this is either just a garbage 
article, or only applies to certain job categories.




https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/ai-making-job-applications-easier-creating-another-problem-rcna179683

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Re: [AFMUG] new FCC boss

2024-11-19 Thread Mike Hammett 
Not the one you were referring to, but this seems quite appropriate for today's 
climate. 




https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/ 




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Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 5:31:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new FCC boss 



I was a Reagan conservative. I think Ronnie would be confused if he were 
reincarnated in today’s political landscape, like one of those movies where 
someone comes out of suspended animation 50 years in the future. Maybe like the 
Woody Allen movie Sleeper where in the future chocolate and fat are health 
foods. 



From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com 
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 5:01 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new FCC boss 






When in college I was a fiscal conservative, small government, don’t waste 
money. All except for pell grants... 




From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 3:38 PM 

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new FCC boss 



It’s hard to keep track, like I can’t remember are they going to ban Tiktok, or 
save it? 

And are EVs good, or bad? 

And what if all the fiber techs are illegal immigrants? 

As far as BEAD, even without a DOGE department, a lot of people might agree 
that BEAD is way too big and a waste of taxpayer money. But is it too late to 
get the genie back in the bottle? Normally I would think so. But the next 
administration is promising a lot of things that I would normally think are too 
outside the box, so maybe BEAD could get cancelled or at least get a severe 
haircut. 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com 
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 1:54 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
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We will see. We can hope. 




From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 12:50 PM 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new FCC boss 




Historically, Republicans were about reduced spending. That's gone. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: ch...@go-mtc.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 1:42:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new FCC boss 



Historically, republican administrations were always against the USDA RUS 
programs. I presume they will be against the Bead if they can be. As far as the 
FCC goes, one would think Elon would be no friend to the WISPS. Who knows 










From: Dev 

Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 12:08 PM 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new FCC boss 



I see this in Politico "Carr has repeatedly pushed for a more aggressive plan 
to free up wireless spectrum for the private sector” and wonder what that 
means, aside from auctioning it all off to VZ/ATT/etc., will we get any without 
billions to spend? 






On Nov 18, 2024, at 11:01 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I said this to someone on FB: 



What is the source of your appreciation for Carr? Is it something solid like a 
variety of specific policy proposals he has talked about or is it simply 
because he said things favorably of your preferred political candidate? 



Neither party is really all that great for small operators. There's a Venn 
Diagram of sorts of things that are for and against small ISPs with both 
parties, with neither party really taking home the prize for best. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Dev" < d...@logicalwebhost.com > 
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Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 12:55:59 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] new FCC boss 

So what will Carr do for/against the little guys? 

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Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting

2024-11-19 Thread Josh Luthman 
Except when it makes glaring mistakes like telling it to add 30 to a
variable and it divides by 7 instead :/

On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 11:58 AM  wrote:

> I think coding is a perfect application for AI.  Writing prose, not so
> much.
>
>
>
> *From:* Trey Scarborough
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2024 9:29 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting
>
>
> My question is what happens when there is no one actually doing the work
> that the AI bases its information on.  For example I most commonly use it
> for programming mainly because I am a mediocre coder at best. What I once
> would post questions on stack overflow or other message boards I now just
> as ChatGPT. If the traffic to these forums an such decrease then where will
> the AI pull its knowledge base from?
>
>
> On 11/18/24 9:50 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
>
> Never found it to be worth the effort to use and edit.  But I used to
> write magazines columns on deadline so spewing verbiage comes easy for me.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, November 18, 2024 8:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AI and recruiting
>
> I've been using ChatGPT for all kinds of "write this letter" or write a
> "multi page document describing something".  It's a good ToC with a few
> good sentences/paragraphs.  It does so much heavy lifting.
>
> The article suggests someone is doing the same, but for their job
> application.  Why write a story describing yourself when a bot will do it
> for you?
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 6:28 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> You guys sometimes talk about the challenges of the recruiting game.  If
>> this article is correct, I’m glad I’m not in that game, either as a
>> candidate, or a hiring manager.
>>
>>
>>
>> This really makes me feel like a dinosaur, and I don’t know how this even
>> works.  Like with a bot sending out a thousand tailored application letters
>> per day, to be screened by other bots.  I’m hoping this is either just a
>> garbage article, or only applies to certain job categories.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/ai-making-job-applications-easier-creating-another-problem-rcna179683
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Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

2024-11-19 Thread chuck 
One year I had all my installers take a full day on Feb 14 to deliver a rose to 
every former customer.  We got a few back that day.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment

$25 for a radio for $10 in gas to pick it up, $10 dealing with the customer, 
$10 in caulk/silicon, $10 hearing them complain about nothing, $10 in labor 
costs, $1000 in lost revenue because you wasted time picking up a $25 radio 
instead of hooking up a new customer

On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 10:01 AM David Hannum  wrote:

  Like Adam, we keep tabs of where the gear is and when we are in the area, we 
swing by and pick it up.  But not sure why you'd not want to rescue good 
radios.  Folks like Wireless Units and Surplus Wireless will purchase it off 
you, so don't just arbitrarily abandon it.  $25 (or whatever they give you) for 
a used SM is at least something for it. 

  Dave

  On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:26 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

About the same.  We kept a running list of "pickups" and it would be filler 
work for the field people. They'd remove the antenna and maybe the cable, but 
never worried about the POE. 
We usually got to them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the 
schedule for service calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do 
pickups.  

On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 12:30 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
 wrote:

  We say: "we will grab it the next time we are in the area".

  No special trip.

  Jim



  Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone



   Original message 
  From: Ken Hohhof  
  Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM (GMT-06:00) 
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  
  Subject: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment 

  We are starting to run into cases where customers cancel (most commonly 
to get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the CPE is still perfectly functional 
we would not redeploy it.  Like a Cambium 450 SM with a reflector dish (as 
opposed to a 450b).  So we don’t want it back, and don’t want to send a tech 
out to remove it.



  Sometimes customers insist they want us to take it off their house.  Is 
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or DirecTV and want the sat dish taken down, they don’t come do it (unless 
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