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Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. Sent from my iPhone > On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: > > Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to with > the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you leave that > at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You will like the > phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you can create an > email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that to log in with > full features instead of having a superior and inferior account. > > On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one >> case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a >> battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that >> problem. >> >> Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should not >> charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I like >> having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But if that >> is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. >> >> >> >> From: Darin Steffl >> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> Cc: Chuck McCown >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT >> >> If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY >> happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more >> fun. The infotainment is awesome too. >> >> Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger network is >> the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even with lower >> range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time will be >> under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each charge. You >> should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range to get to >> the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips to keep the >> charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases the closer >> you get to 100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be made faster >> if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to 100% for >> example. >> >> For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more than 90% full to >> maintain the range of your battery. If you charge more than that, plan on >> driving the car within a couple hours so your car doesn't sit charged above >> 90% for an extended period of time. >> >> But if you ordered the RWD small battery version, I think you get the LFP >> battery which means you can charge to 100% with no concerns about hurting >> the battery. The link below will help you determine if you have the LFP >> battery. If you do, you can charge to 100% at home but you do not need to do >> so on road trips using superchargers because it takes too long to hit 100%. >> Just charge until you have enough range to reach your next stop or >> destination. Also download Plugshare and you can find Level 2 chargers all >> around the country that aren't listed in the Tesla map. Many are free so you >> can find spots like restaurants or hotels that offer free charging. >> >> https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_jo/GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html >> >> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 2:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >>> I am not terribly anal for fit and finish issues. A car is a tool, not a >>> trophy. It is an expense, not an investment. A tesla is an extravagance, >>> not a need. But I sure hate buying gasoline, so since my Leaf lease is >>> expiring I needed to get something. I am buying this and I bought an >>> airplane once. Only two times I have bought something I didn’t really >>> need. >>> >>> From: Bill Prince >>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:42 AM >>> To: af@af.afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT >>> >>> Tesla's in general do not have a stellar reputation for "reliability" or >>> build quality. That said, the M3 scores high, followed relatively closely >>> by the MY. The two share 80% of their components. >>> >>> If you drill down on the reliability complaints, it is often to do with >>> niggling little things like door handles and retracting rear view mirrors >>> and the like. The MX is horrible for the X-wing doors. There are also >>> on-and-off issues with build quality (except for the ones made in China). >>> They have been getting steadily better, and the really new ones I've seen >>> look almost perfect WRT fit and finish. >>> >>> >>> >>> bp >>> >>> On 5/26/2022 10:11 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Is this coming from a Tesla owner? Tesla owners I know don’t say anything bad about the car or company. From: Ryan Ray Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:45 AM To: AnimalFarm M
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Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready to drive. There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as it has connectivity). On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf will > start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: > > Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to > with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you > leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You > will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you > can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that > to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior > account. > > On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one > case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a > battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that > problem. > > Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should not > charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I > like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But > if that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. > > > > *From:* Darin Steffl > *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT > > If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY > happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more > fun. The infotainment is awesome too. > > Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger network > is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even with > lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time will > be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each charge. You > should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range to get to > the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips to keep > the charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases the > closer you get to 100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be > made faster if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to > 100% for example. > > For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more than 90% full to > maintain the range of your battery. If you charge more than that, plan on > driving the car within a couple hours so your car doesn't sit charged above > 90% for an extended period of time. > > But if you ordered the RWD small battery version, I think you get the LFP > battery which means you can charge to 100% with no concerns about hurting > the battery. The link below will help you determine if you have the LFP > battery. If you do, you can charge to 100% at home but you do not need to > do so on road trips using superchargers because it takes too long to hit > 100%. Just charge until you have enough range to reach your next stop or > destination. Also download Plugshare and you can find Level 2 chargers all > around the country that aren't listed in the Tesla map. Many are free so > you can find spots like restaurants or hotels that offer free charging. > > > https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_jo/GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html > > On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 2:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> I am not terribly anal for fit and finish issues. A car is a tool, not a >> trophy. It is an expense, not an investment. A tesla is an extravagance, >> not a need. But I sure hate buying gasoline, so since my Leaf lease is >> expiring I needed to get something. I am buying this and I bought an >> airplane once. Only two times I have bought something I didn’t really >> need. >> >> *From:* Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:42 AM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT >> >> >> Tesla's in general do not have a stellar reputation for "reliability" or >> build quality. That said, the M3 scores high, followed relatively closely >> by the MY. The two share 80% of their components. >> >> If you drill down on the reliability complaints, it is often to do with >> niggling little things like door handles and retracting rear view mirrors >> and the like. The MX is horrible for the X-wing doors. There are also >> on-and-off issues with build quality (except for the ones made in China). >> They have been getting steadily better, and the really new ones I've seen >> look almost perfect WRT fit and finish. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> >> On 5/26/2022 10:11 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> >> Is this coming f
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Loving this thread '*L*earning *E*verthing *N*eeded about *T*eslas' Seems lots of people here have Teslas. How does billing at the Supercharger actually work? I read through the website, and the back-of-the-napkin math I ran seemed that charging at a supercharger was about the equivalent of a tank of gas. ~$40-$50 (I have a small car). Is that accurate? On 5/27/2022 9:04 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready to drive. There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as it has connectivity). On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior account. On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that problem. Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should not charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But if that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. *From:* Darin Steffl *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Cc:* Chuck McCown *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more fun. The infotainment is awesome too. Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger network is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even with lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time will be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each charge. You should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range to get to the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips to keep the charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases the closer you get to 100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be made faster if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to 100% for example. For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more than 90% full to maintain the range of your battery. If you charge more than that, plan on driving the car within a couple hours so your car doesn't sit charged above 90% for an extended period of time. But if you ordered the RWD small battery version, I think you get the LFP battery which means you can charge to 100% with no concerns about hurting the battery. The link below will help you determine if you have the LFP battery. If you do, you can charge to 100% at home but you do not need to do so on road trips using superchargers because it takes too long to hit 100%. Just charge until you have enough range to reach your next stop or destination. Also download Plugshare and you can find Level 2 chargers all around the country that aren't listed in the Tesla map. Many are free so you can find spots like restaurants or hotels that offer free charging. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_jo/GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 2:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I am not terribly anal for fit and finish issues. A car is a tool, not a trophy. It is an expense, not an investment. A tesla is an extravagance, not a need. But I sure hate buying gasoline, so since my Leaf lease is expiring I needed to get something. I am buying this and I bought an airplane once. Only two times I have bought something I didn’t really need. *From:* Bill Prince *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:42 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT Tesla's in general do not have a stellar reputation for "reliability" or build quality. That said, the M3 scores high, followed rel
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Perfect, I asked the sales rep after the test drive about that and he said it does not have that feature. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 8:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready to drive. There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as it has connectivity). On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior account. On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that problem. Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should not charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But if that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. From: Darin Steffl Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more fun. The infotainment is awesome too. Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger network is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even with lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time will be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each charge. You should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range to get to the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips to keep the charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases the closer you get to 100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be made faster if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to 100% for example. For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more than 90% full to maintain the range of your battery. If you charge more than that, plan on driving the car within a couple hours so your car doesn't sit charged above 90% for an extended period of time. But if you ordered the RWD small battery version, I think you get the LFP battery which means you can charge to 100% with no concerns about hurting the battery. The link below will help you determine if you have the LFP battery. If you do, you can charge to 100% at home but you do not need to do so on road trips using superchargers because it takes too long to hit 100%. Just charge until you have enough range to reach your next stop or destination. Also download Plugshare and you can find Level 2 chargers all around the country that aren't listed in the Tesla map. Many are free so you can find spots like restaurants or hotels that offer free charging. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_jo/GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 2:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I am not terribly anal for fit and finish issues. A car is a tool, not a trophy. It is an expense, not an investment. A tesla is an extravagance, not a need. But I sure hate buying gasoline, so since my Leaf lease is expiring I needed to get something. I am buying this and I bought an airplane once. Only two times I have bought something I didn’t really need. From: Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:42 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT Tesla's in general do not have a stellar reputation for "reliability" or build quality. That said, the M3 scores high, followed relatively closely by the MY. The two share 80% of their components. If you drill down on the reliability complaints, it is often to do with niggling little things like door handles and retracting rear view mirrors and the like. The MX is horrible for the X-wing doors. There are also on-and-off issues with build qual
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~300 miles for $13 https://evadept.com/calc/tesla-supercharger-charging-cost-calculator On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:43 AM Nate Burke wrote: > Loving this thread '*L*earning *E*verthing *N*eeded about *T*eslas' > > Seems lots of people here have Teslas. How does billing at the > Supercharger actually work? I read through the website, and the > back-of-the-napkin math I ran seemed that charging at a supercharger was > about the equivalent of a tank of gas. ~$40-$50 (I have a small car). Is > that accurate? > On 5/27/2022 9:04 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in > settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready > to drive. > > There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as it > has connectivity). > > On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf >> will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: >> >> Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to >> with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you >> leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You >> will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you >> can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that >> to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior >> account. >> >> On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> >> With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one >> case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a >> battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that >> problem. >> >> Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should not >> charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I >> like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But >> if that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. >> >> >> >> *From:* Darin Steffl >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT >> >> If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY >> happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more >> fun. The infotainment is awesome too. >> >> Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger network >> is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even with >> lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time will >> be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each charge. You >> should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range to get to >> the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips to keep >> the charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases the >> closer you get to 100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be >> made faster if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to >> 100% for example. >> >> For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more than 90% full to >> maintain the range of your battery. If you charge more than that, plan on >> driving the car within a couple hours so your car doesn't sit charged above >> 90% for an extended period of time. >> >> But if you ordered the RWD small battery version, I think you get the LFP >> battery which means you can charge to 100% with no concerns about hurting >> the battery. The link below will help you determine if you have the LFP >> battery. If you do, you can charge to 100% at home but you do not need to >> do so on road trips using superchargers because it takes too long to hit >> 100%. Just charge until you have enough range to reach your next stop or >> destination. Also download Plugshare and you can find Level 2 chargers all >> around the country that aren't listed in the Tesla map. Many are free so >> you can find spots like restaurants or hotels that offer free charging. >> >> >> https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_jo/GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html >> >> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 2:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> I am not terribly anal for fit and finish issues. A car is a tool, not >>> a trophy. It is an expense, not an investment. A tesla is an >>> extravagance, not a need. But I sure hate buying gasoline, so since my >>> Leaf lease is expiring I needed to get something. I am buying this and I >>> bought an airplane once. Only two times I have bought something I didn’t >>> really need. >>> >>> *From:* Bill Prince >>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:42 AM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT >>> >>> >>> Tesla's in general do not have a stellar reputation for "reli
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Tesla definitely has precondition schedule to warm the battery and interior with Hvac. I don't use it in my garage because I don't care to have the car warm or cold before my drive. It heats and cools so fast I don't see the point. I sometime manually turn on Hvac to defrost my windshield in the winter when it's sitting outside. Turn it on 5 to 10 mins before you're ready to go and your car is heated, seats are hot, and steering wheel too. All from within the app of course. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Perfect, I asked the sales rep after the test drive about that and he said > it does not have that feature. > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2022 8:04 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT > > Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in > settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready > to drive. > > There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as it > has connectivity). > > On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf >> will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: >> >> Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to >> with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you >> leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You >> will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you >> can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that >> to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior >> account. >> >> On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> >> With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one >> case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a >> battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that >> problem. >> >> Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should not >> charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I >> like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But >> if that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. >> >> >> >> *From:* Darin Steffl >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT >> >> If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY >> happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more >> fun. The infotainment is awesome too. >> >> Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger network >> is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even with >> lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time will >> be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each charge. You >> should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range to get to >> the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips to keep >> the charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases the >> closer you get to 100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be >> made faster if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to >> 100% for example. >> >> For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more than 90% full to >> maintain the range of your battery. If you charge more than that, plan on >> driving the car within a couple hours so your car doesn't sit charged above >> 90% for an extended period of time. >> >> But if you ordered the RWD small battery version, I think you get the LFP >> battery which means you can charge to 100% with no concerns about hurting >> the battery. The link below will help you determine if you have the LFP >> battery. If you do, you can charge to 100% at home but you do not need to >> do so on road trips using superchargers because it takes too long to hit >> 100%. Just charge until you have enough range to reach your next stop or >> destination. Also download Plugshare and you can find Level 2 chargers all >> around the country that aren't listed in the Tesla map. Many are free so >> you can find spots like restaurants or hotels that offer free charging. >> >> >> https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_jo/GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html >> >> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 2:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> I am not terribly anal for fit and finish issues. A car is a tool, not >>> a trophy. It is an expense, not an investment. A tesla is an >>> extravagance, not a need. But I sure hate buying gasoline, so since my >>> Leaf lease is expiring I needed to get something. I am buying this and I >>> bought an airplane once. Only two times I have b
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I forgot to reply about the Supercharger costs. So as long as you have your credit card linked to your tesla account, charging is super easy. Back up to the pedestal and plug it in. That's it. It's then billed to your account at the end of the session. Costs have increased a lot this year so it's becoming closer to the cost of gas but not quite there. It will always be cheaper to charge at home for your daily use. Only use superchargers for road trips. In MN, the supercharger costs $0.33/kwh but my home is roughly $0.125/kwh so almost 3x cheaper at home. I think in 2018 when I had my first tesla, it was around $0.21/kwh at chargers. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:58 AM Darin Steffl wrote: > Tesla definitely has precondition schedule to warm the battery and > interior with Hvac. I don't use it in my garage because I don't care to > have the car warm or cold before my drive. It heats and cools so fast I > don't see the point. I sometime manually turn on Hvac to defrost my > windshield in the winter when it's sitting outside. Turn it on 5 to 10 mins > before you're ready to go and your car is heated, seats are hot, and > steering wheel too. All from within the app of course. > > On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> Perfect, I asked the sales rep after the test drive about that and he >> said it does not have that feature. >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2022 8:04 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT >> >> Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in >> settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready >> to drive. >> >> There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as it >> has connectivity). >> >> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf >>> will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: >>> >>> Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge >>> to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you >>> leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You >>> will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you >>> can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that >>> to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior >>> account. >>> >>> On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >>> >>> With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one >>> case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a >>> battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that >>> problem. >>> >>> Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should >>> not charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I >>> like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But >>> if that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Darin Steffl >>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT >>> >>> If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY >>> happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more >>> fun. The infotainment is awesome too. >>> >>> Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger >>> network is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even >>> with lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time >>> will be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each >>> charge. You should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range >>> to get to the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips >>> to keep the charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases >>> the closer you get to 100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be >>> made faster if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to >>> 100% for example. >>> >>> For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more than 90% full to >>> maintain the range of your battery. If you charge more than that, plan on >>> driving the car within a couple hours so your car doesn't sit charged above >>> 90% for an extended period of time. >>> >>> But if you ordered the RWD small battery version, I think you get the >>> LFP battery which means you can charge to 100% with no concerns about >>> hurting the battery. The link below will help you determine if you have the >>> LFP battery. If you do, you can charge to 100% at home but you do not need >>> to do so on road trips using superchargers because it takes too long to hit >>> 100%. Just charge until you have
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My rate is typically $0.12 per kWh or less but I have grid tied solar at home and at the shop, so in theory I get free charging. But also free from stopping at a gas station all the time and never any oil changes. From: Darin Steffl Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 9:02 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Josh Luthman ; Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT I forgot to reply about the Supercharger costs. So as long as you have your credit card linked to your tesla account, charging is super easy. Back up to the pedestal and plug it in. That's it. It's then billed to your account at the end of the session. Costs have increased a lot this year so it's becoming closer to the cost of gas but not quite there. It will always be cheaper to charge at home for your daily use. Only use superchargers for road trips. In MN, the supercharger costs $0.33/kwh but my home is roughly $0.125/kwh so almost 3x cheaper at home. I think in 2018 when I had my first tesla, it was around $0.21/kwh at chargers. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:58 AM Darin Steffl wrote: Tesla definitely has precondition schedule to warm the battery and interior with Hvac. I don't use it in my garage because I don't care to have the car warm or cold before my drive. It heats and cools so fast I don't see the point. I sometime manually turn on Hvac to defrost my windshield in the winter when it's sitting outside. Turn it on 5 to 10 mins before you're ready to go and your car is heated, seats are hot, and steering wheel too. All from within the app of course. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Perfect, I asked the sales rep after the test drive about that and he said it does not have that feature. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 8:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready to drive. There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as it has connectivity). On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior account. On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that problem. Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should not charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But if that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. From: Darin Steffl Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more fun. The infotainment is awesome too. Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger network is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even with lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time will be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each charge. You should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range to get to the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips to keep the charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases the closer you get to 100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be made faster if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to 100% for example. For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more than 90% full to maintain the range of your battery. If you charge more than that, plan on driving the car within a couple hours so your car doesn't sit charged above 90% for an extended period of time. But if you ordered the RWD small battery version, I think you get the LFP battery which means you
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That calculation is wrong based on current data in MN at least. I ran the numbers and 300 miles out of 358 mile range on M3 long range is roughly 68kwh out of an 82kwh battery. In MN at 0.33/kwh, the cost to add 300 miles of range is about $22.67 Compare to a camry that maybe averages 32 MPG at $4.30 a gallon and the cost to go the same 300 miles is $40.31 so I guess even with higher charger costs than normal, it's still cheaper than gas. Comparing to an suv or truck and it's even more savings. The best part is that tesla is more efficient than most/all gas vehicles but also faster than many of them too. The cost at home for me to add 300 miles of range is about $8.25 On Fri, May 27, 2022, 10:04 AM Josh Luthman wrote: > ~300 miles for $13 > https://evadept.com/calc/tesla-supercharger-charging-cost-calculator > > On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:43 AM Nate Burke wrote: > >> Loving this thread '*L*earning *E*verthing *N*eeded about *T*eslas' >> >> Seems lots of people here have Teslas. How does billing at the >> Supercharger actually work? I read through the website, and the >> back-of-the-napkin math I ran seemed that charging at a supercharger was >> about the equivalent of a tank of gas. ~$40-$50 (I have a small car). Is >> that accurate? >> On 5/27/2022 9:04 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in >> settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready >> to drive. >> >> There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as it >> has connectivity). >> >> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf >>> will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: >>> >>> Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge >>> to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you >>> leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You >>> will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you >>> can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that >>> to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior >>> account. >>> >>> On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >>> >>> With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one >>> case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a >>> battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that >>> problem. >>> >>> Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should >>> not charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I >>> like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But >>> if that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Darin Steffl >>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT >>> >>> If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY >>> happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more >>> fun. The infotainment is awesome too. >>> >>> Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger >>> network is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even >>> with lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time >>> will be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each >>> charge. You should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range >>> to get to the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips >>> to keep the charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases >>> the closer you get to 100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be >>> made faster if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to >>> 100% for example. >>> >>> For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more than 90% full to >>> maintain the range of your battery. If you charge more than that, plan on >>> driving the car within a couple hours so your car doesn't sit charged above >>> 90% for an extended period of time. >>> >>> But if you ordered the RWD small battery version, I think you get the >>> LFP battery which means you can charge to 100% with no concerns about >>> hurting the battery. The link below will help you determine if you have the >>> LFP battery. If you do, you can charge to 100% at home but you do not need >>> to do so on road trips using superchargers because it takes too long to hit >>> 100%. Just charge until you have enough range to reach your next stop or >>> destination. Also download Plugshare and you can find Level 2 chargers all >>> around the country that aren't listed in the Tesla map. Many are free so >>> you can find spot
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Solar panels and batteries are free at the McCown shop? On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 11:20 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > My rate is typically $0.12 per kWh or less but I have grid tied solar at > home and at the shop, so in theory I get free charging. But also free from > stopping at a gas station all the time and never any oil changes. > > *From:* Darin Steffl > *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2022 9:02 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Josh Luthman ; Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT > > I forgot to reply about the Supercharger costs. So as long as you have > your credit card linked to your tesla account, charging is super easy. Back > up to the pedestal and plug it in. That's it. It's then billed to your > account at the end of the session. > > Costs have increased a lot this year so it's becoming closer to the cost > of gas but not quite there. It will always be cheaper to charge at home for > your daily use. Only use superchargers for road trips. In MN, the > supercharger costs $0.33/kwh but my home is roughly $0.125/kwh so almost 3x > cheaper at home. I think in 2018 when I had my first tesla, it was around > $0.21/kwh at chargers. > > > > > On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:58 AM Darin Steffl > wrote: > >> Tesla definitely has precondition schedule to warm the battery and >> interior with Hvac. I don't use it in my garage because I don't care to >> have the car warm or cold before my drive. It heats and cools so fast I >> don't see the point. I sometime manually turn on Hvac to defrost my >> windshield in the winter when it's sitting outside. Turn it on 5 to 10 mins >> before you're ready to go and your car is heated, seats are hot, and >> steering wheel too. All from within the app of course. >> >> On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Perfect, I asked the sales rep after the test drive about that and he >>> said it does not have that feature. >>> >>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>> *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2022 8:04 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT >>> >>> Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in >>> settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready >>> to drive. >>> >>> There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as >>> it has connectivity). >>> >>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior account. On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that problem. Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should not charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But if that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. *From:* Darin Steffl *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Cc:* Chuck McCown *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more fun. The infotainment is awesome too. Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger network is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even with lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time will be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each charge. You should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range to get to the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips to keep the charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases the closer you get to 100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be made faster if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to 100% for example. For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more than 90% full to m
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Maybe good to talk about our typical long distance trip that, with the long range 3, requires a visit to supercharger. Reno->Yuba City->Reno. This is over the summit of the sierras so is NOT a drive easy on the Tesla. It's about 75 miles past the range that would be comfortable doing without recharge with reserves. That's the pilot in me. So it's easier to hit a supercharger in Yuba City for 1/2 hour and get up to 60-80% for the trip back. We don't drive slow, speeds usually are speed limit plus 5 to 10 mph like the majority of the traffic, maxing out about 90mph in a few spots. The bill is usually in the $16 range. We set the car up to 100% charge the night before which is now coming out to be 300 miles from the original 320 1.5 years ago. This way less than we would spend on fuel for this trip. I have a 2015 diesel Grand Cherokee that does the whole trip on 1/2 a tank (27 gallon tank). At current rates filling that 13 gallons would be $5.50 per gallon = $70! Now the car is going to get filled back up in the garage after the trip, which is also going to be about $15 at home energy prices. So the trip costs us about 1/2 in the Tesla what it does in the GC. Both cars were similar $$ when purchased. The GC has automatic cruise control so it backs off and accelerates automagically, similar to the Tesla, but the Tesla also does lane keeping. I feel less "driven out" after the trip in the Tesla. The diesel in the GC gives 32 MPG hwy which is pretty good. We are trying to convince ourselves to solar the house, but that doesn't pencil out unless you look at resale value instead of cost/earnings and I think house prices are about to plunge with everything else. On 5/27/22 8:02 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: I forgot to reply about the Supercharger costs. So as long as you have your credit card linked to your tesla account, charging is super easy. Back up to the pedestal and plug it in. That's it. It's then billed to your account at the end of the session. Costs have increased a lot this year so it's becoming closer to the cost of gas but not quite there. It will always be cheaper to charge at home for your daily use. Only use superchargers for road trips. In MN, the supercharger costs $0.33/kwh but my home is roughly $0.125/kwh so almost 3x cheaper at home. I think in 2018 when I had my first tesla, it was around $0.21/kwh at chargers. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:58 AM Darin Steffl wrote: Tesla definitely has precondition schedule to warm the battery and interior with Hvac. I don't use it in my garage because I don't care to have the car warm or cold before my drive. It heats and cools so fast I don't see the point. I sometime manually turn on Hvac to defrost my windshield in the winter when it's sitting outside. Turn it on 5 to 10 mins before you're ready to go and your car is heated, seats are hot, and steering wheel too. All from within the app of course. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Perfect, I asked the sales rep after the test drive about that and he said it does not have that feature. *From:* Josh Luthman *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2022 8:04 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Cc:* Chuck McCown *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready to drive. There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as it has connectivity). On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior account. On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that problem. Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should not cha
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No shop visits is what sold my wife. On 5/27/22 8:19 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: My rate is typically $0.12 per kWh or less but I have grid tied solar at home and at the shop, so in theory I get free charging. But also free from stopping at a gas station all the time and never any oil changes. *From:* Darin Steffl *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2022 9:02 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Cc:* Josh Luthman ; Chuck McCown *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT I forgot to reply about the Supercharger costs. So as long as you have your credit card linked to your tesla account, charging is super easy. Back up to the pedestal and plug it in. That's it. It's then billed to your account at the end of the session. Costs have increased a lot this year so it's becoming closer to the cost of gas but not quite there. It will always be cheaper to charge at home for your daily use. Only use superchargers for road trips. In MN, the supercharger costs $0.33/kwh but my home is roughly $0.125/kwh so almost 3x cheaper at home. I think in 2018 when I had my first tesla, it was around $0.21/kwh at chargers. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:58 AM Darin Steffl wrote: Tesla definitely has precondition schedule to warm the battery and interior with Hvac. I don't use it in my garage because I don't care to have the car warm or cold before my drive. It heats and cools so fast I don't see the point. I sometime manually turn on Hvac to defrost my windshield in the winter when it's sitting outside. Turn it on 5 to 10 mins before you're ready to go and your car is heated, seats are hot, and steering wheel too. All from within the app of course. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Perfect, I asked the sales rep after the test drive about that and he said it does not have that feature. *From:* Josh Luthman *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2022 8:04 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Cc:* Chuck McCown *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready to drive. There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as it has connectivity). On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior account. On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that problem. Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should not charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But if that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. *From:* Darin Steffl *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Cc:* Chuck McCown *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more fun. The infotainment is awesome too. Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger network is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even with lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time will be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each charge. You should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range to get to the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips to keep the charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate
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It's a calculator...so I don't know how I'm wrong... The number is the default for the SuperCharger cost (which is 26c/kwh) which was the question - not home charging. On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 11:49 AM Darin Steffl wrote: > That calculation is wrong based on current data in MN at least. I ran the > numbers and 300 miles out of 358 mile range on M3 long range is roughly > 68kwh out of an 82kwh battery. In MN at 0.33/kwh, the cost to add 300 miles > of range is about $22.67 > > Compare to a camry that maybe averages 32 MPG at $4.30 a gallon and the > cost to go the same 300 miles is $40.31 so I guess even with higher charger > costs than normal, it's still cheaper than gas. Comparing to an suv or > truck and it's even more savings. > > The best part is that tesla is more efficient than most/all gas vehicles > but also faster than many of them too. > > The cost at home for me to add 300 miles of range is about $8.25 > > > On Fri, May 27, 2022, 10:04 AM Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> ~300 miles for $13 >> https://evadept.com/calc/tesla-supercharger-charging-cost-calculator >> >> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:43 AM Nate Burke wrote: >> >>> Loving this thread '*L*earning *E*verthing *N*eeded about *T*eslas' >>> >>> Seems lots of people here have Teslas. How does billing at the >>> Supercharger actually work? I read through the website, and the >>> back-of-the-napkin math I ran seemed that charging at a supercharger was >>> about the equivalent of a tank of gas. ~$40-$50 (I have a small car). Is >>> that accurate? >>> On 5/27/2022 9:04 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>> Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in >>> settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready >>> to drive. >>> >>> There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as >>> it has connectivity). >>> >>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior account. On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that problem. Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should not charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But if that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. *From:* Darin Steffl *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Cc:* Chuck McCown *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more fun. The infotainment is awesome too. Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger network is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even with lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time will be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each charge. You should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range to get to the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips to keep the charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases the closer you get to 100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be made faster if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to 100% for example. For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more than 90% full to maintain the range of your battery. If you charge more than that, plan on driving the car within a couple hours so your car doesn't sit charged above 90% for an extended period of time. But if you ordered the RWD small battery version, I think you get the LFP battery which means you can charge to 100% with no concerns about hurting the battery. The link below will help you determine if you have the LFP battery. If you do, you can charge to 100% at home but you do not
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Darin, Not sure where in MN you are, but in Mankato Excel Energy has a program where if you install their charger in you garage it is .028 per KWh from midnight to 6AM. On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:22 AM Darin Steffl wrote: > I forgot to reply about the Supercharger costs. So as long as you have > your credit card linked to your tesla account, charging is super easy. Back > up to the pedestal and plug it in. That's it. It's then billed to your > account at the end of the session. > > Costs have increased a lot this year so it's becoming closer to the cost > of gas but not quite there. It will always be cheaper to charge at home for > your daily use. Only use superchargers for road trips. In MN, the > supercharger costs $0.33/kwh but my home is roughly $0.125/kwh so almost 3x > cheaper at home. I think in 2018 when I had my first tesla, it was around > $0.21/kwh at chargers. > > > > > On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:58 AM Darin Steffl > wrote: > >> Tesla definitely has precondition schedule to warm the battery and >> interior with Hvac. I don't use it in my garage because I don't care to >> have the car warm or cold before my drive. It heats and cools so fast I >> don't see the point. I sometime manually turn on Hvac to defrost my >> windshield in the winter when it's sitting outside. Turn it on 5 to 10 mins >> before you're ready to go and your car is heated, seats are hot, and >> steering wheel too. All from within the app of course. >> >> On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Perfect, I asked the sales rep after the test drive about that and he >>> said it does not have that feature. >>> >>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>> *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2022 8:04 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT >>> >>> Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in >>> settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready >>> to drive. >>> >>> There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as >>> it has connectivity). >>> >>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior account. On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that problem. Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should not charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But if that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. *From:* Darin Steffl *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Cc:* Chuck McCown *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more fun. The infotainment is awesome too. Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger network is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even with lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time will be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each charge. You should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range to get to the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips to keep the charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases the closer you get to 100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be made faster if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to 100% for example. For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more than 90% full to maintain the range of your battery. If you charge more than that, plan on driving the car within a couple hours so your car doesn't sit charged above 90% for an extended period of time. But if you ordered the RWD small battery version, I think you get the
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Not batts, grid tie. And yes, they were free. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 9:32 AM To: Chuck McCown Cc: Darin Steffl ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT Solar panels and batteries are free at the McCown shop? On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 11:20 AM Chuck McCown wrote: My rate is typically $0.12 per kWh or less but I have grid tied solar at home and at the shop, so in theory I get free charging. But also free from stopping at a gas station all the time and never any oil changes. From: Darin Steffl Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 9:02 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Josh Luthman ; Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT I forgot to reply about the Supercharger costs. So as long as you have your credit card linked to your tesla account, charging is super easy. Back up to the pedestal and plug it in. That's it. It's then billed to your account at the end of the session. Costs have increased a lot this year so it's becoming closer to the cost of gas but not quite there. It will always be cheaper to charge at home for your daily use. Only use superchargers for road trips. In MN, the supercharger costs $0.33/kwh but my home is roughly $0.125/kwh so almost 3x cheaper at home. I think in 2018 when I had my first tesla, it was around $0.21/kwh at chargers. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:58 AM Darin Steffl wrote: Tesla definitely has precondition schedule to warm the battery and interior with Hvac. I don't use it in my garage because I don't care to have the car warm or cold before my drive. It heats and cools so fast I don't see the point. I sometime manually turn on Hvac to defrost my windshield in the winter when it's sitting outside. Turn it on 5 to 10 mins before you're ready to go and your car is heated, seats are hot, and steering wheel too. All from within the app of course. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Perfect, I asked the sales rep after the test drive about that and he said it does not have that feature. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 8:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready to drive. There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as it has connectivity). On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior account. On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that problem. Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should not charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But if that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. From: Darin Steffl Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more fun. The infotainment is awesome too. Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger network is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even with lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time will be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each charge. You should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range to get to the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips to keep the charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases the closer you get to 100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be made faster if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to 100% for example.
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10 kW of solar would cost about $5K or less. Say you spend $200 per month on gas the panels pay for themselves in a couple of years. From: Darin Steffl Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 9:23 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT That calculation is wrong based on current data in MN at least. I ran the numbers and 300 miles out of 358 mile range on M3 long range is roughly 68kwh out of an 82kwh battery. In MN at 0.33/kwh, the cost to add 300 miles of range is about $22.67 Compare to a camry that maybe averages 32 MPG at $4.30 a gallon and the cost to go the same 300 miles is $40.31 so I guess even with higher charger costs than normal, it's still cheaper than gas. Comparing to an suv or truck and it's even more savings. The best part is that tesla is more efficient than most/all gas vehicles but also faster than many of them too. The cost at home for me to add 300 miles of range is about $8.25 On Fri, May 27, 2022, 10:04 AM Josh Luthman wrote: ~300 miles for $13 https://evadept.com/calc/tesla-supercharger-charging-cost-calculator On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:43 AM Nate Burke wrote: Loving this thread 'Learning Everthing Needed about Teslas' Seems lots of people here have Teslas. How does billing at the Supercharger actually work? I read through the website, and the back-of-the-napkin math I ran seemed that charging at a supercharger was about the equivalent of a tank of gas. ~$40-$50 (I have a small car). Is that accurate? On 5/27/2022 9:04 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready to drive. There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as it has connectivity). On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior account. On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that problem. Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should not charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But if that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. From: Darin Steffl Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more fun. The infotainment is awesome too. Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger network is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even with lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time will be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each charge. You should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range to get to the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips to keep the charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases the closer you get to 100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be made faster if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to 100% for example. For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more than 90% full to maintain the range of your battery. If you charge more than that, plan on driving the car within a couple hours so your car doesn't sit charged above 90% for an extended period of time. But if you ordered the RWD small battery version, I think you get the LFP battery which means you can charge to 100% with no concerns about hurting the battery. The link below will help you determine if you have the LFP battery. If you do, you can charge to 100% at home but you do not need to do so on road trips using superchargers because it takes too long to hit 100%. Just charge
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I have solar on my house and my shop. Did it all myself. Payback on the house was less than 5 years for 10 kW. On the shop I save $1000 each month on my 20 kW array. Mostly due to reducing the demand charge. From: Robert Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 9:51 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT Maybe good to talk about our typical long distance trip that, with the long range 3, requires a visit to supercharger. Reno->Yuba City->Reno. This is over the summit of the sierras so is NOT a drive easy on the Tesla. It's about 75 miles past the range that would be comfortable doing without recharge with reserves. That's the pilot in me. So it's easier to hit a supercharger in Yuba City for 1/2 hour and get up to 60-80% for the trip back. We don't drive slow, speeds usually are speed limit plus 5 to 10 mph like the majority of the traffic, maxing out about 90mph in a few spots. The bill is usually in the $16 range. We set the car up to 100% charge the night before which is now coming out to be 300 miles from the original 320 1.5 years ago. This way less than we would spend on fuel for this trip. I have a 2015 diesel Grand Cherokee that does the whole trip on 1/2 a tank (27 gallon tank). At current rates filling that 13 gallons would be $5.50 per gallon = $70! Now the car is going to get filled back up in the garage after the trip, which is also going to be about $15 at home energy prices. So the trip costs us about 1/2 in the Tesla what it does in the GC. Both cars were similar $$ when purchased. The GC has automatic cruise control so it backs off and accelerates automagically, similar to the Tesla, but the Tesla also does lane keeping. I feel less "driven out" after the trip in the Tesla. The diesel in the GC gives 32 MPG hwy which is pretty good. We are trying to convince ourselves to solar the house, but that doesn't pencil out unless you look at resale value instead of cost/earnings and I think house prices are about to plunge with everything else. On 5/27/22 8:02 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: I forgot to reply about the Supercharger costs. So as long as you have your credit card linked to your tesla account, charging is super easy. Back up to the pedestal and plug it in. That's it. It's then billed to your account at the end of the session. Costs have increased a lot this year so it's becoming closer to the cost of gas but not quite there. It will always be cheaper to charge at home for your daily use. Only use superchargers for road trips. In MN, the supercharger costs $0.33/kwh but my home is roughly $0.125/kwh so almost 3x cheaper at home. I think in 2018 when I had my first tesla, it was around $0.21/kwh at chargers. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:58 AM Darin Steffl wrote: Tesla definitely has precondition schedule to warm the battery and interior with Hvac. I don't use it in my garage because I don't care to have the car warm or cold before my drive. It heats and cools so fast I don't see the point. I sometime manually turn on Hvac to defrost my windshield in the winter when it's sitting outside. Turn it on 5 to 10 mins before you're ready to go and your car is heated, seats are hot, and steering wheel too. All from within the app of course. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Perfect, I asked the sales rep after the test drive about that and he said it does not have that feature. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 8:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready to drive. There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as it has connectivity). On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior account. On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that problem. Lookin
Re: [AFMUG] LENT
Sweet deal. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 10:06 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT Darin, Not sure where in MN you are, but in Mankato Excel Energy has a program where if you install their charger in you garage it is .028 per KWh from midnight to 6AM. On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:22 AM Darin Steffl wrote: I forgot to reply about the Supercharger costs. So as long as you have your credit card linked to your tesla account, charging is super easy. Back up to the pedestal and plug it in. That's it. It's then billed to your account at the end of the session. Costs have increased a lot this year so it's becoming closer to the cost of gas but not quite there. It will always be cheaper to charge at home for your daily use. Only use superchargers for road trips. In MN, the supercharger costs $0.33/kwh but my home is roughly $0.125/kwh so almost 3x cheaper at home. I think in 2018 when I had my first tesla, it was around $0.21/kwh at chargers. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:58 AM Darin Steffl wrote: Tesla definitely has precondition schedule to warm the battery and interior with Hvac. I don't use it in my garage because I don't care to have the car warm or cold before my drive. It heats and cools so fast I don't see the point. I sometime manually turn on Hvac to defrost my windshield in the winter when it's sitting outside. Turn it on 5 to 10 mins before you're ready to go and your car is heated, seats are hot, and steering wheel too. All from within the app of course. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Perfect, I asked the sales rep after the test drive about that and he said it does not have that feature. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 8:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready to drive. There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as it has connectivity). On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert wrote: Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you leave that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You will like the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you can create an email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that to log in with full features instead of having a superior and inferior account. On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or in one case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that problem. Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I should not charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT. I like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But if that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge. From: Darin Steffl Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be VERY happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and more fun. The infotainment is awesome too. Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger network is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even with lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time will be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each charge. You should not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range to get to the next charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips to keep the charge times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases the closer you get to 100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be made faster if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to 100% for example. For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more than 90% full to maintain the range of your battery. If you charge more than that, plan on driving the car within a couple hours so your car doesn't sit charged above 90% for an extended period of time. But if you ordered the RWD small battery v
[AFMUG] Conduit Fill
I gotta run 4 x 4/0 copper THHN and one #6 to a machine. The online raceway calculators say I can do this with 2” conduit. I will have two sweeps and at least 2 LBs. As much as I hate to, I really think I should use larger conduit. I really hate it when I have trouble pulling larger cables in too small of a conduit. Any raceway fill experts on here?-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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What kind of sweeps? On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 4:14 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I gotta run 4 x 4/0 copper THHN and one #6 to a machine. > > The online raceway calculators say I can do this with 2” conduit. > > I will have two sweeps and at least 2 LBs. As much as I hate to, I really > think I should use larger conduit. I really hate it when I have trouble > pulling larger cables in too small of a conduit. > > Any raceway fill experts on here? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Conduit Fill
EMT or Rigid, not sure what size. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:17 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Conduit Fill What kind of sweeps? On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 4:14 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I gotta run 4 x 4/0 copper THHN and one #6 to a machine. The online raceway calculators say I can do this with 2” conduit. I will have two sweeps and at least 2 LBs. As much as I hate to, I really think I should use larger conduit. I really hate it when I have trouble pulling larger cables in too small of a conduit. Any raceway fill experts on here? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Conduit Fill
How far do you have to go? Bigger is always better, and if you're really concerned, you can use those large-radius sweeps instead of the standard sweeps. bp On 5/27/2022 1:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I gotta run 4 x 4/0 copper THHN and one #6 to a machine. The online raceway calculators say I can do this with 2” conduit. I will have two sweeps and at least 2 LBs. As much as I hate to, I really think I should use larger conduit. I really hate it when I have trouble pulling larger cables in too small of a conduit. Any raceway fill experts on here? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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About 60 feet in a U shape. From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:23 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Conduit Fill How far do you have to go? Bigger is always better, and if you're really concerned, you can use those large-radius sweeps instead of the standard sweeps. bp On 5/27/2022 1:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I gotta run 4 x 4/0 copper THHN and one #6 to a machine. The online raceway calculators say I can do this with 2” conduit. I will have two sweeps and at least 2 LBs. As much as I hate to, I really think I should use larger conduit. I really hate it when I have trouble pulling larger cables in too small of a conduit. Any raceway fill experts on here? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Conduit Fill
I hate running copper that big so I haven't pulled that much. I try to contract that out if possible. I do find that the jam probably on the southwire wire fill calculator is helpful as it gives a likihood of wires getting stuck. Just curious what are you powering that needs 4/0 copper? That's a lot of power.If this is this 120/208 is moving to 277/480 a possibility? (And if this is 480V, I'm really curious about what you're hooking up) And do you really need a neutral? One note is that aluminum is a fair bit easier to pull and has similar ampacity at the larger sizes. Plus it's a lot cheaper. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 2:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I gotta run 4 x 4/0 copper THHN and one #6 to a machine. > > The online raceway calculators say I can do this with 2” conduit. > > I will have two sweeps and at least 2 LBs. As much as I hate to, I really > think I should use larger conduit. I really hate it when I have trouble > pulling larger cables in too small of a conduit. > > Any raceway fill experts on here? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Conduit Fill
Southwire says low probability of jam. I just don’t believe it. This is 480 volts. 250 amps. Probably don’t need the neutral. For my conduit extruder line. Last time I priced aluminum, since it had to be larger, the cost was similar. That was at Home Depot though. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:57 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Conduit Fill I hate running copper that big so I haven't pulled that much. I try to contract that out if possible. I do find that the jam probably on the southwire wire fill calculator is helpful as it gives a likihood of wires getting stuck. Just curious what are you powering that needs 4/0 copper? That's a lot of power.If this is this 120/208 is moving to 277/480 a possibility? (And if this is 480V, I'm really curious about what you're hooking up) And do you really need a neutral? One note is that aluminum is a fair bit easier to pull and has similar ampacity at the larger sizes. Plus it's a lot cheaper. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 2:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I gotta run 4 x 4/0 copper THHN and one #6 to a machine. The online raceway calculators say I can do this with 2” conduit. I will have two sweeps and at least 2 LBs. As much as I hate to, I really think I should use larger conduit. I really hate it when I have trouble pulling larger cables in too small of a conduit. Any raceway fill experts on here? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Are you saying the sweeps are two 90s? I'm with Forrest, someone else can deal with that nightmare. Either open it up with LB or something, that sounds like a hell of a pull. Be sure you're using a gallon of lube. On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 4:22 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > EMT or Rigid, not sure what size. > > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2022 2:17 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Conduit Fill > > What kind of sweeps? > > On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 4:14 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> I gotta run 4 x 4/0 copper THHN and one #6 to a machine. >> >> The online raceway calculators say I can do this with 2” conduit. >> >> I will have two sweeps and at least 2 LBs. As much as I hate to, I >> really think I should use larger conduit. I really hate it when I have >> trouble pulling larger cables in too small of a conduit. >> >> Any raceway fill experts on here? >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Maverick
Loved it! First time in a movie theater since Covid. The P51 was icing on the cake! Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Maverick
I saw it a month ago at CinemaCon and I loved it! The whole crowd did. My theater's customers gave great feedback tonight too. It should do well. I liked it better than the original. On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:46 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > Loved it! First time in a movie theater since Covid. The P51 was icing > on the cake! > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 Office > 574-220-7826 Cell > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Maybe tomorrow. Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2022, at 8:36 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > > Loved it! First time in a movie theater since Covid. The P51 was icing on > the cake! > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 Office > 574-220-7826 Cell > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Maverick
Watching the original right now. Reminded me if the time I landed a C-150 on a runway at Wendover that the military had been using that day. To my surprise there were 5 arrestor cables across the runway. Temp military tower had closed. No warnings. I discovered that you can indeed land a light aircraft and catch an arresting cable. Very abrupt halt. No damage. The cables were held off the runway by disks. I had to get out, manually turn the plane sideways and taxi off into the dirt. Could not taxi over them. Same runway, same military practice the tower cleared me to land right after an F16 had either just landed or departed, don’t remember. I hit their wingtip vortices on final. Turned me almost inverted but then flipped me upright just as fast. Happened so fast my sphincter didn’t have time to react, Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2022, at 9:42 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Maverick
I remembered a bit more. They landed me on a runway that was at or near to a right angle that the F16 just landed on. So I flew through his wash. Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2022, at 10:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
