Maybe good to talk about our typical long distance trip that, with the long range 3, requires a visit to supercharger.   Reno->Yuba City->Reno.   This is over the summit of the sierras so is NOT a drive easy on the Tesla.   It's about 75 miles past the range that would be comfortable doing without recharge with reserves.  That's the pilot in me.   So it's easier to hit a supercharger in Yuba City for 1/2 hour and get up to 60-80% for the trip back.   We don't drive slow, speeds usually are speed limit plus 5 to 10 mph like the majority of the traffic, maxing out about 90mph in a few spots.  The bill is usually in the $16 range.   We set the car up to 100% charge the night before which is now coming out to be 300 miles from the original 320 1.5 years ago.   This way less than we would spend on fuel for this trip.  I have a 2015 diesel Grand Cherokee that does the whole trip on 1/2 a tank (27 gallon tank).   At current rates filling that 13 gallons would be $5.50 per gallon = $70!  Now the car is going to get filled back up in the garage after the trip, which is also going to be about $15 at home energy prices.   So the trip costs us about 1/2 in the Tesla what it does in the GC.   Both cars were similar $$ when purchased.   The GC has automatic cruise control so it backs off and accelerates automagically, similar to the Tesla, but the Tesla also does lane keeping.   I feel less "driven out" after the trip in the Tesla.   The diesel in the GC gives 32 MPG hwy which is pretty good.   We are trying to convince ourselves to solar the house, but that doesn't pencil out unless you look at resale value instead of cost/earnings and I think house prices are about to plunge with everything else.

On 5/27/22 8:02 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
I forgot to reply about the Supercharger costs. So as long as you have your credit card linked to your tesla account, charging is super easy. Back up to the pedestal and plug it in. That's it. It's then billed to your account at the end of the session.

Costs have increased a lot this year so it's becoming closer to the cost of gas but not quite there. It will always be cheaper to charge at home for your daily use. Only use superchargers for road trips. In MN, the supercharger costs $0.33/kwh but my home is roughly $0.125/kwh so almost 3x cheaper at home. I think in 2018 when I had my first tesla, it was around $0.21/kwh at chargers.




On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:58 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:

    Tesla definitely has precondition schedule to warm the battery and
    interior with Hvac. I don't use it in my garage because I don't
    care to have the car warm or cold before my drive. It heats and
    cools so fast I don't see the point. I sometime manually turn on
    Hvac to defrost my windshield in the winter when it's sitting
    outside. Turn it on 5 to 10 mins before you're ready to go and
    your car is heated, seats are hot, and steering wheel too. All
    from within the app of course.

    On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF
    <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

        Perfect, I asked the sales rep after the test drive about that
        and he said it does not have that feature.
        *From:* Josh Luthman
        *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2022 8:04 AM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
        *Cc:* Chuck McCown
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT
        Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on
        Preconditioning in settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily
        time when you want to be ready to drive.
        There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as
        long as it has connectivity).
        On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF
        <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

            Can you schedule the climate control to turn on?  I like
            that my Leaf will start the AC or heat a half hour before
            my normal drive times.

            Sent from my iPhone

            On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert
            <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

             Tesla recommends plugging in.   You can set how full it
            will charge to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries
            you are getting will let you leave that at 100% without
            impacting performance of the batteries.   You will like
            the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out
            that you can create an email alias and have both your and
            your wifes phone use that to log in with full features
            instead of having a superior and inferior account.

            On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
            With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to
            work, or in one case where I had a long commute, both at
            work and at home.  Never had a battery problem.  Except
            during really cold weather but all Leafs have that problem.
            Looking forward to the heated battery.  Not
            understanding if I should not charge the Tesla every day
            as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT.  I like having
            it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want.
            But if that is hard on the battery I will have to change
            the way I charge.
            *From:* Darin Steffl
            *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM
            *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
            *Cc:* Chuck McCown
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT
            If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope,
            you'll be VERY happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's
            faster, more range, bigger, and more fun. The
            infotainment is awesome too.
            Let us know your review of the car once you get it.
            Their charger network is the largest in the world too so
            road trips are quite easy even with lower range. You
            have the smaller battery in that model so charge time
            will be under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total
            capacity on each charge. You should not charge to 100%
            unless you absolutely need that range to get to the next
            charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips
            to keep the charge times down. Like any battery, the
            charge rate decreases the closer you get to 100%. It
            drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be made faster
            if you charge from 10% to 80% than if you charge from
            40% to 100% for example.
            For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more
            than 90% full to maintain the range of your battery. If
            you charge more than that, plan on driving the car
            within a couple hours so your car doesn't sit charged
            above 90% for an extended period of time.
            But if you ordered the RWD small battery version, I
            think you get the LFP battery which means you can charge
            to 100% with no concerns about hurting the battery. The
            link below will help you determine if you have the LFP
            battery. If you do, you can charge to 100% at home but
            you do not need to do so on road trips using
            superchargers because it takes too long to hit 100%.
            Just charge until you have enough range to reach your
            next stop or destination. Also download Plugshare and
            you can find Level 2 chargers all around the country
            that aren't listed in the Tesla map. Many are free so
            you can find spots like restaurants or hotels that offer
            free charging.
            
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_jo/GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html
            On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 2:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF
            <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

                I am not terribly anal for fit and finish issues.  A
                car is a tool, not a trophy.  It is an expense, not
                an investment.  A tesla is an extravagance, not a
                need.  But I sure hate buying gasoline, so since my
                Leaf lease is expiring I needed to get something.  I
                am buying this and I bought an airplane once.  Only
                two times I have bought something I didn’t really need.
                *From:* Bill Prince
                *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:42 AM
                *To:* af@af.afmug.com
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT

                Tesla's in general do not have a stellar reputation
                for "reliability" or build quality. That said, the
                M3 scores high, followed relatively closely by the
                MY. The two share 80% of their components.

                If you drill down on the reliability complaints, it
                is often to do with niggling little things like door
                handles and retracting rear view mirrors and the
                like. The MX is horrible for the X-wing doors. There
                are also on-and-off issues with build quality
                (except for the ones made in China). They have been
                getting steadily better, and the really new ones
                I've seen look almost perfect WRT fit and finish.

                bp
                <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                On 5/26/2022 10:11 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
                Is this coming from a Tesla owner?
                Tesla owners I know don’t say anything bad about
                the car or company.
                *From:* Ryan Ray
                *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:45 AM
                *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT
                Are you not concerned at all regarding build
                quality or longevity with a company that hasn't
                been forthright about existing issues, poor
                warranty experiences, and don't seem to generally
                care about their customer service or customer in
                general?
                On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 5:47 PM Chuck McCown via AF
                <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

                    I am starting to have second thoughts, maybe
                    try to buy a used one... I have some time to
                    cancel this order...  I am a cheap bugger. 
                    This might be the last car I ever buy, so maybe
                    I do want the new one?
                    *From:* Robert
                    *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 6:28 PM
                    *To:* af@af.afmug.com
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT
                    We will be coming on the end of our Model 3
                    lease in September, which, after so many
                    delivery date changes ( one of which would have
                    been three months ago! ) corresponds to the
                    delivery date of the Model Y. Getting into and
                    out of the 3 was just too much for these knees,
                    which are now being replaced.   We have really
                    enjoyed all of the Model 3 features and I think
                    the full autopilot is just another Musk Troll
                    that fanboys are willing to throw money at.   I
                    am seriously tempted to flip it, if the prices
                    for used stay this high.  $20K over our price
                    would be hard to refuse, with the likely
                    reduction in lead times in the next year or so
                    as the factories ramp up.

                    On 5/25/22 5:04 PM, Tim Hardy wrote:
                    Glad that shit is over. You’ll be happy with
                    your Tesla, our Model Y is is 2 years old
                    today and its been a great experience. The
                    wife’s car and I still have the gas guzzling 911!
                    Peace out.
                    On May 25, 2022, at 6:35 PM, Chuck McCown via
                    AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
                    Model 3 They predict Sept to December
                    delivery. $46K  375 mile range I think.  I
                    really like the cruise control.  It does lane
                    keeping so I really don’t see a use for an
                    autopilot.
                    *From:* Cassidy B. Larson
                    *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 4:31 PM
                    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                    *Cc:* Chuck McCown
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT
                    Which Tesla did you go for? What are they
                    saying for lead time?

                    On May 25, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Chuck McCown
                    via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
                    Sorry, I started it.
                    Sometimes it is amusing to watch the Jaime
                    and Steve show. Ken and Lewis used to join
                    in too but they couldn’t take it anymore. 
                    But we do have the OT in the subject line so
                    you can filter this kind of crap out.
                    But yeah, I think we have all vented now,
                    and trolled the guys that need trolling.
                    Steve and Jaime got to make their hyperbolic
                    comments.
                    So it is now dead until Lent is over. Next
                    year’s lent.
                    BTW everyone, I ordered a Tesla.  My 4th
                    Leaf lease is coming due in July so I took
                    the leap.  Did a test drive today and really
                    loved it.  I loved the last 10 years of
                    Leafs too but man this is a quantum leap of
                    enjoyment.
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