date:20200724

It must be getting it via tv channel meta data.  There is no other connection.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 10:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> I don't know who the current guide provider is, but Channel Master has had 
> issues in the past. It used to say down at the bottom of the program guide 
> who the provider was.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 7/23/2020 8:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> That Channel Master OTA receiver works fantastic!  I wonder where it gets 
>> the data for the on screen guide?
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Thanks Lewis!

2020-07-24 Thread Lewis Bergman

That's what I figured. I have 3 more if you want them.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 7:37 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> It must be getting it via tv channel meta data.  There is no other
> connection.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2020, at 10:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I don't know who the current guide provider is, but Channel Master has had
> issues in the past. It used to say down at the bottom of the program guide
> who the provider was.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/23/2020 8:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> That Channel Master OTA receiver works fantastic!  I wonder where it gets
> the data for the on screen guide?
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[AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

2020-07-24 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

After someone takes the CPI test and gets the CPI certificate from
Federated Wireless, do you then have to create an account on the Federated
Wireless system controller website or can you just start a CBRS account
with CN Maestro and upload the certificate on CN Maestro to then be able to
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Thanks Lewis!

I would say yes, but I am sure there are others here that my want to avail 
themselves of your generosity.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 7:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Thanks Lewis!

That's what I figured. I have 3 more if you want them. 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 7:37 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  It must be getting it via tv channel meta data.  There is no other connection.

  Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2020, at 10:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

I don't know who the current guide provider is, but Channel Master has had 
issues in the past. It used to say down at the bottom of the program guide who 
the provider was.

bp

On 7/23/2020 8:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  That Channel Master OTA receiver works fantastic!  I wonder where it gets 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Thanks Lewis!

2020-07-24 Thread Jaime Solorza

Oh neighborkind of.(Texas is kind of big state) ...I would enjoy having
one of those...
gracias
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:59 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> That's what I figured. I have 3 more if you want them.
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 7:37 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> It must be getting it via tv channel meta data.  There is no other
>> connection.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 10:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I don't know who the current guide provider is, but Channel Master has
>> had issues in the past. It used to say down at the bottom of the program
>> guide who the provider was.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 7/23/2020 8:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> That Channel Master OTA receiver works fantastic!  I wonder where it gets
>> the data for the on screen guide?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Thanks Lewis!

2020-07-24 Thread Larry Smith

Wouldn't mind one myself - even though Tennessee
is not that close...

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On Fri July 24 2020 09:34, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Oh neighborkind of.(Texas is kind of big state) ...I would enjoy having
> one of those...
> gracias
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:59 AM Lewis Bergman 
>
> wrote:
> > That's what I figured. I have 3 more if you want them.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 7:37 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >> It must be getting it via tv channel meta data.  There is no other
> >> connection.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 10:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> I don't know who the current guide provider is, but Channel Master has
> >> had issues in the past. It used to say down at the bottom of the program
> >> guide who the provider was.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/23/2020 8:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >>
> >> That Channel Master OTA receiver works fantastic!  I wonder where it
> >> gets the data for the on screen guide?
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[AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change




We have a Unifi AP in our home, which has been working very well. I went 
to change the passphrase on it today, and it seemed to take it. However, 
all of our devices are still connected using the old passphrase. We've 
rebooted both the WAP, and several of the devices, but nothing seems to 
have changed?


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Re: [AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change

I don't use Unifi.  But sometimes router manufacturers use the term
"passphrase" to mean the actual WPA security key, but sometimes it's just a
human friendly passphrase that you then click on a generate button to create
an actual, complex WPA key which you then save in the config.  Could this be
what's happening?

I wish the industry would settle on a single term instead of a long list
including password, passphrase, network key, security key, etc.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:20 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change


We have a Unifi AP in our home, which has been working very well. I went to
change the passphrase on it today, and it seemed to take it. However, all of
our devices are still connected using the old passphrase. We've rebooted
both the WAP, and several of the devices, but nothing seems to have changed?

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

2020-07-24 Thread Josh Luthman

You do all your work on CNM.  It pushes to the SAS.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:29 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> After someone takes the CPI test and gets the CPI certificate from
> Federated Wireless, do you then have to create an account on the Federated
> Wireless system controller website or can you just start a CBRS account
> with CN Maestro and upload the certificate on CN Maestro to then be able to
> start on-boarding devices?
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Re: [AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change

2020-07-24 Thread Josh Luthman

password = login credentials like GUI/CLI
passphrase = used to translate into WEP keys
network key/security key/pin = the code required for WPS
PSK = what customers call the "wireless password"

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I don't use Unifi.  But sometimes router manufacturers use the term
> "passphrase" to mean the actual WPA security key, but sometimes it's just a
> human friendly passphrase that you then click on a generate button to
> create
> an actual, complex WPA key which you then save in the config.  Could this
> be
> what's happening?
>
> I wish the industry would settle on a single term instead of a long list
> including password, passphrase, network key, security key, etc.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:20 AM
> To: AFMUG 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change
>
>
> We have a Unifi AP in our home, which has been working very well. I went to
> change the passphrase on it today, and it seemed to take it. However, all
> of
> our devices are still connected using the old passphrase. We've rebooted
> both the WAP, and several of the devices, but nothing seems to have
> changed?
>
> Am I missing something here (well, duh)?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

You only need the account with Cambium.  But the CPI enters the credentials 
each time he/she enters data, you can’t store them on cnMaestro.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

After someone takes the CPI test and gets the CPI certificate from Federated 
Wireless, do you then have to create an account on the Federated Wireless 
system controller website or can you just start a CBRS account with CN Maestro 
and upload the certificate on CN Maestro to then be able to start on-boarding 
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Re: [AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change


  
  
I'm old school from the days we used to call it passphrase. It is
  called "Security Key" in the UI.
Thus:

bp



On 7/24/2020 8:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  I don't use Unifi.  But sometimes router manufacturers use the term
"passphrase" to mean the actual WPA security key, but sometimes it's just a
human friendly passphrase that you then click on a generate button to create
an actual, complex WPA key which you then save in the config.  Could this be
what's happening?

I wish the industry would settle on a single term instead of a long list
including password, passphrase, network key, security key, etc.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:20 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change


We have a Unifi AP in our home, which has been working very well. I went to
change the passphrase on it today, and it seemed to take it. However, all of
our devices are still connected using the old passphrase. We've rebooted
both the WAP, and several of the devices, but nothing seems to have changed?

Am I missing something here (well, duh)?




  

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

2020-07-24 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

ok thats what i thought, i did all that have two AP's that are showing up
in Maestro but CBRS status is "UNREGISTERED", has been that way for 4 days,
have a ticket in with cambium for the last 3 days and nothing so far.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:48 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> You only need the account with Cambium.  But the CPI enters the
> credentials each time he/she enters data, you can’t store them on cnMaestro.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 9:28 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding
>
>
>
> After someone takes the CPI test and gets the CPI certificate from
> Federated Wireless, do you then have to create an account on the Federated
> Wireless system controller website or can you just start a CBRS account
> with CN Maestro and upload the certificate on CN Maestro to then be able to
> start on-boarding devices?
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Re: [AFMUG] customer to English dictionary


"It's Like a USB thingy" = a cable which the speaker can't identify

On 7/22/2020 6:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I think we need one.  For example,

Satellite = antenna (e.g. you put a satellite on my roof)

Cable = TV (e.g. where do I plug in the cable)

WiFi = Internet

Booster = range extender

Linsky = router (also Link System)

Slow as dialup = meaningless, nobody remembers dialup


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[AFMUG] ONT UPS

I like these.  Compact, wall mounted, has alarm contacts, available in 
12V and 48V.


https://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9siv1ds7b47218

Anyone have a suggestion for something exactly like that, but with a 110 
AC output?




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Re: [AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change

Oh, right, “passphrase” was a WEP thing.  So people didn’t have to think up a 
10 digit hexadecimal password.

 

I used to tell people to use their 10 digit phone number.  Most people can’t 
handle the concept of choosing from 0123456789ABCDEF.

 

Did you ever play the game of who could come up with the longest word that 
could be spelled in hex?  Like C0C0A or EE1EE10 or CAFEBABE?  I wonder if 
that’s what Trump was trying to do with COVFEFE.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change

 

password = login credentials like GUI/CLI

passphrase = used to translate into WEP keys

network key/security key/pin = the code required for WPS

PSK = what customers call the "wireless password"


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:41 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I don't use Unifi.  But sometimes router manufacturers use the term
"passphrase" to mean the actual WPA security key, but sometimes it's just a
human friendly passphrase that you then click on a generate button to create
an actual, complex WPA key which you then save in the config.  Could this be
what's happening?

I wish the industry would settle on a single term instead of a long list
including password, passphrase, network key, security key, etc.

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:20 AM
To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change


We have a Unifi AP in our home, which has been working very well. I went to
change the passphrase on it today, and it seemed to take it. However, all of
our devices are still connected using the old passphrase. We've rebooted
both the WAP, and several of the devices, but nothing seems to have changed?

Am I missing something here (well, duh)?


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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

Did you click the START button in Services>CBRS>Management Tool?  It shouldn’t 
take more than a minute or two.  Actually it should go through REGISTERED to 
GRANT to APPROVED pretty quick.

 

The cnMaestro CBRS support folks are actually very helpful.  I’ve even had them 
remote control my screen, fix things, and teach me how to do stuff.  The trick 
may be getting the ticket past Level 1 support and assigned to the right people.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

 

ok thats what i thought, i did all that have two AP's that are showing up in 
Maestro but CBRS status is "UNREGISTERED", has been that way for 4 days, have a 
ticket in with cambium for the last 3 days and nothing so far.

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:48 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

You only need the account with Cambium.  But the CPI enters the credentials 
each time he/she enters data, you can’t store them on cnMaestro.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

 

After someone takes the CPI test and gets the CPI certificate from Federated 
Wireless, do you then have to create an account on the Federated Wireless 
system controller website or can you just start a CBRS account with CN Maestro 
and upload the certificate on CN Maestro to then be able to start on-boarding 
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Re: [AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change


  
  
WEP predates the "passphrase" concept. Back then, there was a
  hexadecimal key, which was impossible to remember unless you made
  up something clever.
Passphrase did not come in until WPA days. Now there is WPA1,
  WPA2.


bp



On 7/24/2020 9:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
Oh, right, “passphrase” was a WEP thing. 
  So people didn’t have to think up a 10 digit hexadecimal
  password.
 
I used to tell people to use their 10 digit
  phone number.  Most people can’t handle the concept of
  choosing from 0123456789ABCDEF.
 
Did you ever play the game of who could
  come up with the longest word that could be spelled in hex? 
  Like C0C0A or EE1EE10 or CAFEBABE?  I wonder if that’s what
  Trump was trying to do with COVFEFE.
 
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Josh
Luthman
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change

 

  password = login credentials like GUI/CLI
  
passphrase = used to translate into WEP
  keys
  
  
network key/security key/pin = the code
  required for WPS
  
  
PSK = what customers call the "wireless
  password"
  

  

  
 
  
  Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  

 
  

 

  
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:41 AM Ken
  Hohhof  wrote:
  
  
I don't use Unifi.  But sometimes
  router manufacturers use the term
  "passphrase" to mean the actual WPA security key, but
  sometimes it's just a
  human friendly passphrase that you then click on a
  generate button to create
  an actual, complex WPA key which you then save in the
  config.  Could this be
  what's happening?
  
  I wish the industry would settle on a single term instead
  of a long list
  including password, passphrase, network key, security key,
  etc.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:20 AM
  To: AFMUG 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change
  
  
  We have a Unifi AP in our home, which has been working
  very well. I went to
  change the passphrase on it today, and it seemed to take
  it. However, all of
  our devices are still connected using the old passphrase.
  We've rebooted
  both the WAP, and several of the devices, but nothing
  seems to have changed?
  
  Am I missing something here (well, duh)?
  
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change


Many people found that all 1's was easy to remember.

On 7/24/2020 12:56 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


WEP predates the "passphrase" concept. Back then, there was a 
hexadecimal key, which was impossible to remember unless you made up 
something clever.


Passphrase did not come in until WPA days. Now there is WPA1, WPA2.


bp


On 7/24/2020 9:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Oh, right, “passphrase” was a WEP thing. So people didn’t have to 
think up a 10 digit hexadecimal password.


I used to tell people to use their 10 digit phone number.  Most 
people can’t handle the concept of choosing from 0123456789ABCDEF.


Did you ever play the game of who could come up with the longest word 
that could be spelled in hex? Like C0C0A or EE1EE10 or CAFEBABE?  I 
wonder if that’s what Trump was trying to do with COVFEFE.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 10:46 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change

password = login credentials like GUI/CLI

passphrase = used to translate into WEP keys

network key/security key/pin = the code required for WPS

PSK = what customers call the "wireless password"

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:41 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


I don't use Unifi.  But sometimes router manufacturers use the term
"passphrase" to mean the actual WPA security key, but sometimes
it's just a
human friendly passphrase that you then click on a generate
button to create
an actual, complex WPA key which you then save in the config. 
Could this be
what's happening?

I wish the industry would settle on a single term instead of a
long list
including password, passphrase, network key, security key, etc.

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:20 AM
To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Unifi AP passphrase change


We have a Unifi AP in our home, which has been working very well.
I went to
change the passphrase on it today, and it seemed to take it.
However, all of
our devices are still connected using the old passphrase. We've
rebooted
both the WAP, and several of the devices, but nothing seems to
have changed?

Am I missing something here (well, duh)?


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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

2020-07-24 Thread Josh Luthman

Unregistered means you didn't start the process.  Once is registered you
have 3 days for the AP/SM to grab the grant.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Did you click the START button in Services>CBRS>Management Tool?  It
> shouldn’t take more than a minute or two.  Actually it should go through
> REGISTERED to GRANT to APPROVED pretty quick.
>
>
>
> The cnMaestro CBRS support folks are actually very helpful.  I’ve even had
> them remote control my screen, fix things, and teach me how to do stuff.
> The trick may be getting the ticket past Level 1 support and assigned to
> the right people.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 10:53 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding
>
>
>
> ok thats what i thought, i did all that have two AP's that are showing up
> in Maestro but CBRS status is "UNREGISTERED", has been that way for 4 days,
> have a ticket in with cambium for the last 3 days and nothing so far.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:48 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> You only need the account with Cambium.  But the CPI enters the
> credentials each time he/she enters data, you can’t store them on cnMaestro.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 9:28 AM
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> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding
>
>
>
> After someone takes the CPI test and gets the CPI certificate from
> Federated Wireless, do you then have to create an account on the Federated
> Wireless system controller website or can you just start a CBRS account
> with CN Maestro and upload the certificate on CN Maestro to then be able to
> start on-boarding devices?
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[AFMUG] SC-APC patch Cables

2020-07-24 Thread Nate Burke

Anyone have a good US Source for SC-APC Patch cables, 30M indoor. Most 
of what I'm finding is shipped from china with a 20-30 day lead time.  I 
could pull a drop cable, and splice the ends on, but for this short 
distance on an easy pull, preterminated would be simpler.


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[AFMUG] bored

I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am really 
missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the time.  That 
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Re: [AFMUG] bored

Isn't there baseball?  I thought Fauci threw a first pitch.  And golf?  And
NASCAR?  The Confederate flag and Bubba Wallace noose thing?  And esports?
There's always marble racing.

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYJdpnjuSWVOLgGT9fIzL0g

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] bored

 

I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am
really missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the
time.  That option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to
watch...  Need a good book I guess.

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Re: [AFMUG] bored

Yeah, I thought that after I posted the email.  
Not big on NASCAR,  I do like a good baseball or football game.  Golf for a few 
minutes.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 1:40 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

Isn’t there baseball?  I thought Fauci threw a first pitch.  And golf?  And 
NASCAR?  The Confederate flag and Bubba Wallace noose thing?  And esports?  
There’s always marble racing.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYJdpnjuSWVOLgGT9fIzL0g

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] bored

I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am really 
missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the time.  That 
option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to watch...  Need a 
good book I guess.

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Re: [AFMUG] bored

We have a nice minor league team in SLC that is not having a season this year.  
Nice to go and sit and eat peanuts and just kill an afternoon.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 1:40 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

Isn’t there baseball?  I thought Fauci threw a first pitch.  And golf?  And 
NASCAR?  The Confederate flag and Bubba Wallace noose thing?  And esports?  
There’s always marble racing.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYJdpnjuSWVOLgGT9fIzL0g

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] bored

I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am really 
missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the time.  That 
option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to watch...  Need a 
good book I guess.

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Re: [AFMUG] bored


Books are better.

I found the 1911 edition of the /Boy Scouts Handbook /enlightening. The 
views expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  
It also discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you 
tried to build a bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book 
you'd have to do a lot of your own figuring to fill in the blanks, but 
maybe that's the whole point, and maybe that's the piece we're missing 
from society today.  Like maybe the journey of figuring out the precise 
techniques to carve the notches into the logs is a better experience 
than emulating a you-tuber who shows you every single step.


My other recent recreational book was the /National Audubon Society 
Field Guide to North American Trees/. I lived 40 years on this earth 
only ever learning a handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm 
embarrassed to say I was calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" for 
most of those years.  I finally decided to educate myself on the topic.



On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I 
am really missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass 
the time.  That option is gone for the moment and there nothing but 
crap on to watch...  Need a good book I guess.


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Re: [AFMUG] bored

Baseball seems like you can watch every interesting part of every game in 1 
minute on the evening news.  It seems like an excuse to eat an expensive hot 
dog and drink an expensive beer on a nice day at the ball park while calling in 
sick to work.

 

I was never a baseball fan, but I got tickets to take my son to a game 
something like 25 years ago and the game was cancelled because of the baseball 
strike.  Pissed me off enough that baseball has been dead to me ever since.

 

My dad would watch golf on TV.  Boring!  My father-in-law would listen to 
baseball on the radio.  Double boring!

 

My dad did take the family to a hockey game once.  And he took me to some 
Can-Am races at Road America in Wisconsin.  I remember seeing Jim Hall drive 
one of the early Chapparals.  Road racing is more interesting than NASCAR where 
they just go around an oval at ridiculous speeds until somebody crashes.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:44 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

 

Yeah, I thought that after I posted the email.  

Not big on NASCAR,  I do like a good baseball or football game.  Golf for a few 
minutes.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 1:40 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

 

Isn’t there baseball?  I thought Fauci threw a first pitch.  And golf?  And 
NASCAR?  The Confederate flag and Bubba Wallace noose thing?  And esports?  
There’s always marble racing.

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYJdpnjuSWVOLgGT9fIzL0g

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] bored

 

I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am really 
missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the time.  That 
option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to watch...  Need a 
good book I guess.

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Re: [AFMUG] bored

I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and was
recommending "It Can't Happen Here" by Sinclair Lewis.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

Books are better.

I found the 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook enlightening.  The views
expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  It also
discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried to build
a bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book you'd have to do a
lot of your own figuring to fill in the blanks, but maybe that's the whole
point, and maybe that's the piece we're missing from society today.  Like
maybe the journey of figuring out the precise techniques to carve the
notches into the logs is a better experience than emulating a you-tuber who
shows you every single step.

My other recent recreational book was the National Audubon Society Field
Guide to North American Trees. I lived 40 years on this earth only ever
learning a handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm embarrassed
to say I was calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" for most of those
years.  I finally decided to educate myself on the topic.

On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am
really missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the
time.  That option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to
watch...  Need a good book I guess.

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Re: [AFMUG] bored

2020-07-24 Thread Cameron Crum

If you want a great nap on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, turn on golf.
The hushed voices of the announcers puts me to sleep within 5 minutes.


On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:58 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Baseball seems like you can watch every interesting part of every game in
> 1 minute on the evening news.  It seems like an excuse to eat an expensive
> hot dog and drink an expensive beer on a nice day at the ball park while
> calling in sick to work.
>
>
>
> I was never a baseball fan, but I got tickets to take my son to a game
> something like 25 years ago and the game was cancelled because of the
> baseball strike.  Pissed me off enough that baseball has been dead to me
> ever since.
>
>
>
> My dad would watch golf on TV.  Boring!  My father-in-law would listen to
> baseball on the radio.  Double boring!
>
>
>
> My dad did take the family to a hockey game once.  And he took me to some
> Can-Am races at Road America in Wisconsin.  I remember seeing Jim Hall
> drive one of the early Chapparals.  Road racing is more interesting than
> NASCAR where they just go around an oval at ridiculous speeds until
> somebody crashes.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 2:44 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bored
>
>
>
> Yeah, I thought that after I posted the email.
>
> Not big on NASCAR,  I do like a good baseball or football game.  Golf for
> a few minutes.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 1:40 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bored
>
>
>
> Isn’t there baseball?  I thought Fauci threw a first pitch.  And golf?
> And NASCAR?  The Confederate flag and Bubba Wallace noose thing?  And
> esports?  There’s always marble racing.
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYJdpnjuSWVOLgGT9fIzL0g
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 2:29 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] bored
>
>
>
> I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am
> really missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the
> time.  That option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to
> watch...  Need a good book I guess.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch

2020-07-24 Thread Cameron Crum

I don't think that guy has ever thrown a ball in his life and it shows.


On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 10:45 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> My money is on Redtails.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/20/2020 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Dr. Fauci to throw ceremonial first pitch on opening day for Washington
> Nationals.
>
>
>
> And in other sports news, what will be the new name for the Washington
> football team?  Apparently the smart money is on Washington Warriors,
> although personally I liked the Internet’s suggestion of Washington Red
> Pandas.
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Re: [AFMUG] bored

Trees are a bit of hobby of mine.  Growing up in rural Oregon, the schools 
assumed you would work for the USFS, a logging company or a farm when you were 
done.  So we got lots of field trips into the forest and learned a bunch about 
trees.  

I have an old boy scout book somewhere.  Probably a 1950s edition.  Had a 
picture of the ghost of an indian chief on the front.  I did actually try to 
build many of the things inside.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 1:53 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

Books are better.


I found the 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook enlightening.  The views 
expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  It also 
discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried to build a 
bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book you'd have to do a lot of 
your own figuring to fill in the blanks, but maybe that's the whole point, and 
maybe that's the piece we're missing from society today.  Like maybe the 
journey of figuring out the precise techniques to carve the notches into the 
logs is a better experience than emulating a you-tuber who shows you every 
single step.

My other recent recreational book was the National Audubon Society Field Guide 
to North American Trees. I lived 40 years on this earth only ever learning a 
handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm embarrassed to say I was 
calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" for most of those years.  I finally 
decided to educate myself on the topic.



On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am 
really missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the time.  
That option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to watch...  
Need a good book I guess.

   



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Re: [AFMUG] bored

Oh man, Harry Caray on the radio.  I loved listening to baseball on the radio 
when he was announcing the game.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

Baseball seems like you can watch every interesting part of every game in 1 
minute on the evening news.  It seems like an excuse to eat an expensive hot 
dog and drink an expensive beer on a nice day at the ball park while calling in 
sick to work.

I was never a baseball fan, but I got tickets to take my son to a game 
something like 25 years ago and the game was cancelled because of the baseball 
strike.  Pissed me off enough that baseball has been dead to me ever since.

My dad would watch golf on TV.  Boring!  My father-in-law would listen to 
baseball on the radio.  Double boring!

My dad did take the family to a hockey game once.  And he took me to some 
Can-Am races at Road America in Wisconsin.  I remember seeing Jim Hall drive 
one of the early Chapparals.  Road racing is more interesting than NASCAR where 
they just go around an oval at ridiculous speeds until somebody crashes.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:44 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

Yeah, I thought that after I posted the email.  

Not big on NASCAR,  I do like a good baseball or football game.  Golf for a few 
minutes.  

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 1:40 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

Isn’t there baseball?  I thought Fauci threw a first pitch.  And golf?  And 
NASCAR?  The Confederate flag and Bubba Wallace noose thing?  And esports?  
There’s always marble racing.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYJdpnjuSWVOLgGT9fIzL0g

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] bored

I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am really 
missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the time.  That 
option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to watch...  Need a 
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Re: [AFMUG] bored

I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like either of 
them.  Been a while since I read any Bradbury or Heinlein.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and was 
recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

Books are better.

I found the 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook enlightening.  The views 
expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  It also 
discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried to build a 
bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book you'd have to do a lot of 
your own figuring to fill in the blanks, but maybe that's the whole point, and 
maybe that's the piece we're missing from society today.  Like maybe the 
journey of figuring out the precise techniques to carve the notches into the 
logs is a better experience than emulating a you-tuber who shows you every 
single step.

My other recent recreational book was the National Audubon Society Field Guide 
to North American Trees. I lived 40 years on this earth only ever learning a 
handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm embarrassed to say I was 
calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" for most of those years.  I finally 
decided to educate myself on the topic.

On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am 
really missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the time.  
That option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to watch...  
Need a good book I guess.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch

Isn’t our fearless orange guy going to throw out a pitch today or tomorrow?  
Like to see that.  Half the distance to the plate and underhanded perhaps.

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch

I don't think that guy has ever thrown a ball in his life and it shows.  

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 10:45 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  My money is on Redtails.

bp

On 7/20/2020 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Dr. Fauci to throw ceremonial first pitch on opening day for Washington 
Nationals.

And in other sports news, what will be the new name for the Washington 
football team?  Apparently the smart money is on Washington Warriors, although 
personally I liked the Internet’s suggestion of Washington Red Pandas.

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Re: [AFMUG] bored

2020-07-24 Thread Robert Andrews


Try some of John Ringos' original SciFi..

On 07/24/2020 01:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like 
either of them.  Been a while since I read any Bradbury or Heinlein.

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bored

I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and 
was recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bored

Books are better.

I found the 1911 edition of the /Boy Scouts Handbook /enlightening.  The 
views expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  
It also discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you 
tried to build a bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book 
you'd have to do a lot of your own figuring to fill in the blanks, but 
maybe that's the whole point, and maybe that's the piece we're missing 
from society today.  Like maybe the journey of figuring out the precise 
techniques to carve the notches into the logs is a better experience 
than emulating a you-tuber who shows you every single step.


My other recent recreational book was the /National Audubon Society 
Field Guide to North American Trees/. I lived 40 years on this earth 
only ever learning a handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm 
embarrassed to say I was calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" for 
most of those years.  I finally decided to educate myself on the topic.


On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I
am really missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to
pass the time.  That option is gone for the moment and there nothing
but crap on to watch... Need a good book I guess.




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[AFMUG] OT bored

One book I wanted to read recently was only available on Kindle.
I don't like reading books on devices other than wood pulp.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

Try some of John Ringos' original SciFi..

On 07/24/2020 01:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like 
either of them.  Been a while since I read any Bradbury or Heinlein.

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bored

I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and was 
recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bored

Books are better.

I found the 1911 edition of the /Boy Scouts Handbook /enlightening.  The 
views expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  It 
also discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried 
to build a bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book you'd 
have to do a lot of your own figuring to fill in the blanks, but maybe 
that's the whole point, and maybe that's the piece we're missing from 
society today.  Like maybe the journey of figuring out the precise 
techniques to carve the notches into the logs is a better experience than 
emulating a you-tuber who shows you every single step.

My other recent recreational book was the /National Audubon Society Field 
Guide to North American Trees/. I lived 40 years on this earth only ever 
learning a handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm embarrassed 
to say I was calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" for most of those 
years.  I finally decided to educate myself on the topic.

On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I
am really missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to
pass the time.  That option is gone for the moment and there nothing
but crap on to watch... Need a good book I guess.

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Re: [AFMUG] bored


I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.

The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but something you earn 
through service to society was interesting food for thought. It's not 
something we could do realistically, but it was interesting to think 
about.  On the other hand, the idea that every soldier takes care of his 
own logistics is pretty dumb though.  Heinlein must have found it 
objectionable to have more people in the rear echelon than you have 
actual fighters, but frankly modern wars are won by logistics.  Having 
more soldiers is irrelevant if they don't have food, ammo, clothing, and 
fully working equipment; and expecting every Gomer Pile to take part in 
every aspect of that would be dumb.


Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.  It spawned the whole body snatching 
subgenre in sci fi.



On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like 
either of them.  Been a while since I read any Bradbury or Heinlein.

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bored

I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and 
was recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bored

Books are better.

I found the 1911 edition of the /Boy Scouts Handbook /enlightening.  
The views expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different 
time.  It also discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  
If you tried to build a bow or a log cabin from the instructions in 
that book you'd have to do a lot of your own figuring to fill in the 
blanks, but maybe that's the whole point, and maybe that's the piece 
we're missing from society today.  Like maybe the journey of figuring 
out the precise techniques to carve the notches into the logs is a 
better experience than emulating a you-tuber who shows you every 
single step.


My other recent recreational book was the /National Audubon Society 
Field Guide to North American Trees/. I lived 40 years on this earth 
only ever learning a handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  
I'm embarrassed to say I was calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" 
for most of those years.  I finally decided to educate myself on the 
topic.


On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on
I am really missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game
to pass the time.  That option is gone for the moment and there
nothing but crap on to watch...  Need a good book I guess.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch

Aug 15.  Maybe.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/trump-players-stand-national-anthem-first-pitch-yankees

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 3:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch

 

Isn’t our fearless orange guy going to throw out a pitch today or tomorrow?  
Like to see that.  Half the distance to the plate and underhanded perhaps.

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:08 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch

 

I don't think that guy has ever thrown a ball in his life and it shows.  

 

 

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 10:45 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

My money is on Redtails.

bp

 

On 7/20/2020 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Dr. Fauci to throw ceremonial first pitch on opening day for Washington 
Nationals.

 

And in other sports news, what will be the new name for the Washington football 
team?  Apparently the smart money is on Washington Warriors, although 
personally I liked the Internet’s suggestion of Washington Red Pandas.





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Re: [AFMUG] bored

2020-07-24 Thread Mark Radabaugh

Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected.   Some great ideas but 
the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage male than they do some 40 years 
later.

Asimov has held up very well - as good today as it was when it was written.

For newer SciFi:

I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”.   A bit slow to start but a 
fantastic work.Don’t start it if you have other things you need to do.

The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is also one of my very favorites.  A 
bit hard to wrap your head around at first but once you figure it out it’s 
excellent.

If you want something that’s just a plain fun easy read - “Old Man’s War” by 
John Scalzi is a concept straight out of Heinlein’s style, with a slightly 
different twist on the sexuality.   

Mark

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.  
> 
> The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but something you earn through 
> service to society was interesting food for thought.  It's not something we 
> could do realistically, but it was interesting to think about.  On the other 
> hand, the idea that every soldier takes care of his own logistics is pretty 
> dumb though.  Heinlein must have found it objectionable to have more people 
> in the rear echelon than you have actual fighters, but frankly modern wars 
> are won by logistics.  Having more soldiers is irrelevant if they don't have 
> food, ammo, clothing, and fully working equipment; and expecting every Gomer 
> Pile to take part in every aspect of that would be dumb.
> 
> Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.  It spawned the whole body snatching 
> subgenre in sci fi.
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>> I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like either 
>> of them.  Been a while since I read any Bradbury or Heinlein.
>>  
>> From: Ken Hohhof <>
>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>>  
>> I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and was 
>> recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.
>>  
>> From: AF   On 
>> Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>>  
>> Books are better.
>> 
>> I found the 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook enlightening.  The views 
>> expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  It also 
>> discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried to build 
>> a bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book you'd have to do a 
>> lot of your own figuring to fill in the blanks, but maybe that's the whole 
>> point, and maybe that's the piece we're missing from society today.  Like 
>> maybe the journey of figuring out the precise techniques to carve the 
>> notches into the logs is a better experience than emulating a you-tuber who 
>> shows you every single step.
>> 
>> My other recent recreational book was the National Audubon Society Field 
>> Guide to North American Trees. I lived 40 years on this earth only ever 
>> learning a handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm embarrassed 
>> to say I was calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" for most of those 
>> years.  I finally decided to educate myself on the topic.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM,  <>ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>> I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am 
>> really missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the 
>> time.  That option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to 
>> watch...  Need a good book I guess.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

If Cambium support is ignoring your ticket, grab the email address of the guy 
sending out emails about the cnMaestro Cloud software update progress and send 
him a nice email asking for help.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 3:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

here is what i am seeing in CNMaestro as soon as i hit the start button it 
gives me an error says "already synced"

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:29 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Unregistered means you didn't start the process.  Once is registered you have 3 
days for the AP/SM to grab the grant.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Did you click the START button in Services>CBRS>Management Tool?  It shouldn’t 
take more than a minute or two.  Actually it should go through REGISTERED to 
GRANT to APPROVED pretty quick.

The cnMaestro CBRS support folks are actually very helpful.  I’ve even had them 
remote control my screen, fix things, and teach me how to do stuff.  The trick 
may be getting the ticket past Level 1 support and assigned to the right people.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

ok thats what i thought, i did all that have two AP's that are showing up in 
Maestro but CBRS status is "UNREGISTERED", has been that way for 4 days, have a 
ticket in with cambium for the last 3 days and nothing so far.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:48 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

You only need the account with Cambium.  But the CPI enters the credentials 
each time he/she enters data, you can’t store them on cnMaestro.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

After someone takes the CPI test and gets the CPI certificate from Federated 
Wireless, do you then have to create an account on the Federated Wireless 
system controller website or can you just start a CBRS account with CN Maestro 
and upload the certificate on CN Maestro to then be able to start on-boarding 
devices?

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Re: [AFMUG] bored

Why are people talking about Starship Troopers lately?  I’d never heard of it.  
I asked my son what it was about and he said bugs.  Bad bugs?  Yes.  Good 
movie?  Stupid movie.

 

Was it satire?  There’s a fine line between satire and stupid.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

 

Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected.   Some great ideas but 
the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage male than they do some 40 years 
later.

 

Asimov has held up very well - as good today as it was when it was written.

 

For newer SciFi:

 

I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”.   A bit slow to start but a 
fantastic work.Don’t start it if you have other things you need to do.

 

The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is also one of my very favorites.  A 
bit hard to wrap your head around at first but once you figure it out it’s 
excellent.

 

If you want something that’s just a plain fun easy read - “Old Man’s War” by 
John Scalzi is a concept straight out of Heinlein’s style, with a slightly 
different twist on the sexuality.   

 

Mark





On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.  

The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but something you earn through 
service to society was interesting food for thought.  It's not something we 
could do realistically, but it was interesting to think about.  On the other 
hand, the idea that every soldier takes care of his own logistics is pretty 
dumb though.  Heinlein must have found it objectionable to have more people in 
the rear echelon than you have actual fighters, but frankly modern wars are won 
by logistics.  Having more soldiers is irrelevant if they don't have food, 
ammo, clothing, and fully working equipment; and expecting every Gomer Pile to 
take part in every aspect of that would be dumb.

Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.  It spawned the whole body snatching subgenre 
in sci fi.

 

On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like either of 
them.  Been a while since I read any Bradbury or Heinlein.

 

From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

 

I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and was 
recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

 

Books are better.

I found the 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook enlightening.  The views 
expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  It also 
discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried to build a 
bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book you'd have to do a lot of 
your own figuring to fill in the blanks, but maybe that's the whole point, and 
maybe that's the piece we're missing from society today.  Like maybe the 
journey of figuring out the precise techniques to carve the notches into the 
logs is a better experience than emulating a you-tuber who shows you every 
single step.

My other recent recreational book was the National Audubon Society Field Guide 
to North American Trees. I lived 40 years on this earth only ever learning a 
handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm embarrassed to say I was 
calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" for most of those years.  I finally 
decided to educate myself on the topic.

 

On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am really 
missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the time.  That 
option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to watch...  Need a 
good book I guess.






 


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Re: [AFMUG] bored

Heinlein frequently had a Mormon character that was cast in a positive fashion. 
 I really appreciated that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected.   Some great ideas 
> but the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage male than they do some 40 
> years later.
> 
> Asimov has held up very well - as good today as it was when it was written.
> 
> For newer SciFi:
> 
> I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”.   A bit slow to start but a 
> fantastic work.Don’t start it if you have other things you need to do.
> 
> The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is also one of my very favorites.  
> A bit hard to wrap your head around at first but once you figure it out it’s 
> excellent.
> 
> If you want something that’s just a plain fun easy read - “Old Man’s War” by 
> John Scalzi is a concept straight out of Heinlein’s style, with a slightly 
> different twist on the sexuality.   
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> 
>> I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.  
>> 
>> The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but something you earn through 
>> service to society was interesting food for thought.  It's not something we 
>> could do realistically, but it was interesting to think about.  On the other 
>> hand, the idea that every soldier takes care of his own logistics is pretty 
>> dumb though.  Heinlein must have found it objectionable to have more people 
>> in the rear echelon than you have actual fighters, but frankly modern wars 
>> are won by logistics.  Having more soldiers is irrelevant if they don't have 
>> food, ammo, clothing, and fully working equipment; and expecting every Gomer 
>> Pile to take part in every aspect of that would be dumb.
>> 
>> Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.  It spawned the whole body snatching 
>> subgenre in sci fi.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like 
>>> either of them.  Been a while since I read any Bradbury or Heinlein.
>>>  
>>> From: Ken Hohhof
>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>>>  
>>> I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and was 
>>> recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.
>>>  
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>>>  
>>> Books are better.
>>> 
>>> I found the 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook enlightening.  The 
>>> views expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  It 
>>> also discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried to 
>>> build a bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book you'd have to 
>>> do a lot of your own figuring to fill in the blanks, but maybe that's the 
>>> whole point, and maybe that's the piece we're missing from society today.  
>>> Like maybe the journey of figuring out the precise techniques to carve the 
>>> notches into the logs is a better experience than emulating a you-tuber who 
>>> shows you every single step.
>>> 
>>> My other recent recreational book was the National Audubon Society Field 
>>> Guide to North American Trees. I lived 40 years on this earth only ever 
>>> learning a handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm embarrassed 
>>> to say I was calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" for most of those 
>>> years.  I finally decided to educate myself on the topic.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am 
>>> really missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the 
>>> time.  That option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to 
>>> watch...  Need a good book I guess.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch


  
  
If he does toss one out, I'm betting the second baseman or
  shortstop will be catching it.


bp



On 7/24/2020 1:15 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  Isn’t our fearless orange guy going to throw out a pitch
today or tomorrow?  Like to see that.  Half the distance to
the plate and underhanded perhaps.
  

   
  
From: Cameron
Crum 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political)
  first pitch
  

 
  
  
I don't think that guy has ever thrown a ball
  in his life and it shows. 
   

 

  On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at
10:45 PM Bill Prince 
wrote:
  
  

  My money is on Redtails.
  
  bp



  On 7/20/2020 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  
  

  Dr. Fauci to throw ceremonial
first pitch on opening day for Washington
Nationals.
   
  And in other sports news,
what will be the new name for the Washington
football team?  Apparently the smart money is on
Washington Warriors, although personally I liked
the Internet’s suggestion of Washington Red
Pandas.



  

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Re: [AFMUG] bored

2020-07-24 Thread Mark Radabaugh

I think the movie is featured on Amazon or Netflix currently.  Still a shitty 
movie.

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
419-261-5996

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 6:00 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Why are people talking about Starship Troopers lately?  I’d never heard of 
> it.  I asked my son what it was about and he said bugs.  Bad bugs?  Yes.  
> Good movie?  Stupid movie.
>  
> Was it satire?  There’s a fine line between satire and stupid.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:15 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>  
> Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected.   Some great ideas but 
> the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage male than they do some 40 years 
> later.
>  
> Asimov has held up very well - as good today as it was when it was written.
>  
> For newer SciFi:
>  
> I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”.   A bit slow to start but a 
> fantastic work.Don’t start it if you have other things you need to do.
>  
> The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is also one of my very favorites.  
> A bit hard to wrap your head around at first but once you figure it out it’s 
> excellent.
>  
> If you want something that’s just a plain fun easy read - “Old Man’s War” by 
> John Scalzi is a concept straight out of Heinlein’s style, with a slightly 
> different twist on the sexuality.   
>  
> Mark
> 
> 
> On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>  
> I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.  
> The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but something you earn through 
> service to society was interesting food for thought.  It's not something we 
> could do realistically, but it was interesting to think about.  On the other 
> hand, the idea that every soldier takes care of his own logistics is pretty 
> dumb though.  Heinlein must have found it objectionable to have more people 
> in the rear echelon than you have actual fighters, but frankly modern wars 
> are won by logistics.  Having more soldiers is irrelevant if they don't have 
> food, ammo, clothing, and fully working equipment; and expecting every Gomer 
> Pile to take part in every aspect of that would be dumb.
> Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.  It spawned the whole body snatching 
> subgenre in sci fi.
>  
> On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like either 
> of them.  Been a while since I read any Bradbury or Heinlein.
>  
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>  
> I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and was 
> recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>  
> Books are better.
> I found the 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook enlightening.  The views 
> expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  It also 
> discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried to build 
> a bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book you'd have to do a 
> lot of your own figuring to fill in the blanks, but maybe that's the whole 
> point, and maybe that's the piece we're missing from society today.  Like 
> maybe the journey of figuring out the precise techniques to carve the notches 
> into the logs is a better experience than emulating a you-tuber who shows you 
> every single step.
> My other recent recreational book was the National Audubon Society Field 
> Guide to North American Trees. I lived 40 years on this earth only ever 
> learning a handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm embarrassed to 
> say I was calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" for most of those years.  
> I finally decided to educate myself on the topic.
>  
> On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am 
> really missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the time. 
>  That option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to watch... 
>  Need a good book I guess.
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] bored

The movie is shit, but apparently it wasn't even supposed to be a 
Starship Troopers movie.  The original title was "Bug Hunt on Outpost 
9".  Someone at the Heinlein estate thought it had too much similarity 
to Starship Troopers and there was a legal dispute.  The studio agreed 
to pay licensing to use Starship Troopers IP.  The director had 
apparently never even heard of the book and was annoyed at having to 
rework the movie into the "Starship Troopers" framework.



On 7/24/2020 5:59 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Why are people talking about Starship Troopers lately?  I’d never 
heard of it.  I asked my son what it was about and he said bugs.  Bad 
bugs?  Yes.  Good movie? Stupid movie.


Was it satire?  There’s a fine line between satire and stupid.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 4:15 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bored

Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected.   Some great 
ideas but the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage male than they 
do some 40 years later.


Asimov has held up very well - as good today as it was when it was 
written.


For newer SciFi:

I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”.   A bit slow to start 
but a fantastic work.  Don’t start it if you have other things you 
need to do.


The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is also one of my very 
favorites.  A bit hard to wrap your head around at first but once you 
figure it out it’s excellent.


If you want something that’s just a plain fun easy read - “Old Man’s 
War” by John Scalzi is a concept straight out of Heinlein’s style, 
with a slightly different twist on the sexuality.


Mark



On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.

The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but something you
earn through service to society was interesting food for thought. 
It's not something we could do realistically, but it was
interesting to think about.  On the other hand, the idea that
every soldier takes care of his own logistics is pretty dumb
though.  Heinlein must have found it objectionable to have more
people in the rear echelon than you have actual fighters, but
frankly modern wars are won by logistics.  Having more soldiers is
irrelevant if they don't have food, ammo, clothing, and fully
working equipment; and expecting every Gomer Pile to take part in
every aspect of that would be dumb.

Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.  It spawned the whole body
snatching subgenre in sci fi.

On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM,ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t
really like either of them.  Been a while since I read any
Bradbury or Heinlein.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] bored

I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just
read and was recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair
Lewis.

*From:*AF
*On Behalf Of*Adam Moffett
*Sent:*Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] bored

Books are better.

I found the 1911 edition of the/Boy Scouts
Handbook/enlightening. The views expressed by the author(s)
are a glimpse into a different time.  It also discusses
survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried to
build a bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book
you'd have to do a lot of your own figuring to fill in the
blanks, but maybe that's the whole point, and maybe that's the
piece we're missing from society today. Like maybe the journey
of figuring out the precise techniques to carve the notches
into the logs is a better experience than emulating a
you-tuber who shows you every single step.

My other recent recreational book was the/National Audubon
Society Field Guide to North American Trees/. I lived 40 years
on this earth only ever learning a handful of major tree types
(Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm embarrassed to say I was calling every
needle leafed tree a "pine" for most of those years.  I
finally decided to educate myself on the topic.

On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM,ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:

I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no
sports on I am really missing them.  I would at times
catch part of a game to pass the time.  That option is
gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to
watch... Need a good book I guess.

Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch

W did good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjGcCI9ByWw

 

Then there’s Chrissy Teigan:

https://nypost.com/2014/08/06/possibly-drunk-chrissy-teigen-throws-amazing-first-pitch/

 

and Simone Biles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-9V_IB55K0

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 5:07 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch

 

If he does toss one out, I'm betting the second baseman or shortstop will be 
catching it.

 

bp

 

On 7/24/2020 1:15 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Isn’t our fearless orange guy going to throw out a pitch today or tomorrow?  
Like to see that.  Half the distance to the plate and underhanded perhaps.

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:08 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch

 

I don't think that guy has ever thrown a ball in his life and it shows.  

 

 

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 10:45 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

My money is on Redtails.

bp

 

On 7/20/2020 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Dr. Fauci to throw ceremonial first pitch on opening day for Washington 
Nationals.

 

And in other sports news, what will be the new name for the Washington football 
team?  Apparently the smart money is on Washington Warriors, although 
personally I liked the Internet’s suggestion of Washington Red Pandas.





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Re: [AFMUG] bored


  
  
As if Mormons had positive aspects.

bp



On 7/24/2020 3:06 PM, Chuck McCown
  wrote:


  
  Heinlein frequently had a Mormon character that was cast in a
  positive fashion.  I really appreciated that.
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On Jul 24, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Mark
  Radabaugh  wrote:
  

  
  

  
  Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected.   Some
  great ideas but the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage
  male than they do some 40 years later.
  
  
  Asimov has held up very well - as good today as
it was when it was written.
  
  
  For newer SciFi:
  
  
  I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”.
  A bit slow to start but a fantastic work.    Don’t start
it if you have other things you need to do.
  
  
  The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is
also one of my very favorites.  A bit hard to wrap your head
around at first but once you figure it out it’s excellent.
  
  
  If you want something that’s just a plain fun
easy read - “Old Man’s War” by John Scalzi is a concept
straight out of Heinlein’s style, with a slightly different
twist on the sexuality.   
  
  
  Mark
  

  
On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett
  
  wrote:


  I liked Heinlein's Starship
Troopers.  
  
  The idea that citizenship is not a
birthright but something you earn through service to
society was interesting food for thought.  It's not
something we could do realistically, but it was
interesting to think about.  On the other hand, the
idea that every soldier takes care of his own
logistics is pretty dumb though.  Heinlein must have
found it objectionable to have more people in the
rear echelon than you have actual fighters, but
frankly modern wars are won by logistics.  Having
more soldiers is irrelevant if they don't have food,
ammo, clothing, and fully working equipment; and
expecting every Gomer Pile to take part in every
aspect of that would be dumb.
  
  Puppet Masters wasn't bad either. 
It spawned the whole body snatching subgenre in sci
fi.
  
  
  On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  
  

  
I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton
  Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like either
  of them.  Been a while since I read any
  Bradbury or Heinlein.

  
 

  From: Ken
  Hohhof
  Sent: Friday,
July 24, 2020 2:01 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group'
  Subject: Re:
[AFMUG] bored

  
   


  
I talked to an old
  college friend the other day, he had just
  read and was recommending “It Can’t Happen
  Here” by Sinclair Lewis.
 

  
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam
  Moffett
  Sent: Friday,
  July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re:
  [AFMUG] bored
  

 
Books are better.
I found the 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook enlightening. 
  The views expressed by the author(s) are a

Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch


  
  
Simone had the best windup.
W was in pretty good shape back then.


bp



On 7/24/2020 3:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
W did good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjGcCI9ByWw
 
Then there’s Chrissy Teigan:
https://nypost.com/2014/08/06/possibly-drunk-chrissy-teigen-throws-amazing-first-pitch/
 
and Simone Biles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-9V_IB55K0
 
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 5:07 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch
  

 
If he does toss one out, I'm betting the second baseman or
  shortstop will be catching it.
 
bp

 

  On 7/24/2020 1:15 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:


  

  
Isn’t our
fearless orange guy going to throw out a pitch today
or tomorrow?  Like to see that.  Half the distance
to the plate and underhanded perhaps.
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From:
  Cameron Crum 


  Sent:
  Friday, July 24, 2020 2:08 PM


  To:
  AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 


  Subject:
  Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch

  


   

  
  

  I don't think
  that guy has ever thrown a ball in his life and it
  shows.  
  
 
  


   


  
On Mon, Jul
20, 2020 at 10:45 PM Bill Prince 
wrote:
  
  

  My
  money is on Redtails.
  bp
  
   
  
On
7/20/2020 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  
  

  Dr.
  Fauci to throw ceremonial first pitch on
  opening day for Washington Nationals.
   
  And
  in other sports news, what will be the new
  name for the Washington football team? 
  Apparently the smart money is on
  Washington Warriors, although personally I
  liked the Internet’s suggestion of
  Washington Red Pandas.




  

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

2020-07-24 Thread Matt Mangriotis via AF

I got Kurt… he should be sorted.

(We don’t ignore tickets… sometimes the support guys get a bit overwhelmed and 
have to play catch-up, working to reduce that issue, especially with CBRS in 
light of the upcoming October death of Part 90!).

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:17 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

If Cambium support is ignoring your ticket, grab the email address of the guy 
sending out emails about the cnMaestro Cloud software update progress and send 
him a nice email asking for help.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 3:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

here is what i am seeing in CNMaestro as soon as i hit the start button it 
gives me an error says "already synced"

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:29 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Unregistered means you didn't start the process.  Once is registered you have 3 
days for the AP/SM to grab the grant.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Did you click the START button in Services>CBRS>Management Tool?  It shouldn’t 
take more than a minute or two.  Actually it should go through REGISTERED to 
GRANT to APPROVED pretty quick.

The cnMaestro CBRS support folks are actually very helpful.  I’ve even had them 
remote control my screen, fix things, and teach me how to do stuff.  The trick 
may be getting the ticket past Level 1 support and assigned to the right people.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

ok thats what i thought, i did all that have two AP's that are showing up in 
Maestro but CBRS status is "UNREGISTERED", has been that way for 4 days, have a 
ticket in with cambium for the last 3 days and nothing so far.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:48 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
You only need the account with Cambium.  But the CPI enters the credentials 
each time he/she enters data, you can’t store them on cnMaestro.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

After someone takes the CPI test and gets the CPI certificate from Federated 
Wireless, do you then have to create an account on the Federated Wireless 
system controller website or can you just start a CBRS account with CN Maestro 
and upload the certificate on CN Maestro to then be able to start on-boarding 
devices?
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Re: [AFMUG] bored

He said positive fashion.  So fancy clothes?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 5:36 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

As if Mormons had positive aspects.

bp

On 7/24/2020 3:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Heinlein frequently had a Mormon character that was cast in a positive fashion. 
 I really appreciated that.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Mark Radabaugh   
 wrote:

 Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected.   Some great ideas but 
the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage male than they do some 40 years 
later. 

Asimov has held up very well - as good today as it was when it was written.

For newer SciFi:

I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”.   A bit slow to start but a 
fantastic work.Don’t start it if you have other things you need to do.

The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is also one of my very favorites.  A 
bit hard to wrap your head around at first but once you figure it out it’s 
excellent.

If you want something that’s just a plain fun easy read - “Old Man’s War” by 
John Scalzi is a concept straight out of Heinlein’s style, with a slightly 
different twist on the sexuality.   

Mark

On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.  

The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but something you earn through 
service to society was interesting food for thought.  It's not something we 
could do realistically, but it was interesting to think about.  On the other 
hand, the idea that every soldier takes care of his own logistics is pretty 
dumb though.  Heinlein must have found it objectionable to have more people in 
the rear echelon than you have actual fighters, but frankly modern wars are won 
by logistics.  Having more soldiers is irrelevant if they don't have food, 
ammo, clothing, and fully working equipment; and expecting every Gomer Pile to 
take part in every aspect of that would be dumb.

Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.  It spawned the whole body snatching subgenre 
in sci fi.

On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like either of 
them.  Been a while since I read any Bradbury or Heinlein.

From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and was 
recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

Books are better.

I found the 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook enlightening.  The views 
expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  It also 
discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried to build a 
bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book you'd have to do a lot of 
your own figuring to fill in the blanks, but maybe that's the whole point, and 
maybe that's the piece we're missing from society today.  Like maybe the 
journey of figuring out the precise techniques to carve the notches into the 
logs is a better experience than emulating a you-tuber who shows you every 
single step.

My other recent recreational book was the National Audubon Society Field Guide 
to North American Trees. I lived 40 years on this earth only ever learning a 
handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm embarrassed to say I was 
calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" for most of those years.  I finally 
decided to educate myself on the topic.

On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am really 
missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the time.  That 
option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to watch...  Need a 
good book I guess.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch

2020-07-24 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Apparently Fauci was the captain of his Basketball team in high school.
 So I would guess he's at least thrown a 9.5" round ball.

I also know of at least one excellent basketball player that couldn't hit
the side of a barn with a baseball.   Sink a basket from the half-line, no
problem.   Pitch a strike, not gonna happen.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:09 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> I don't think that guy has ever thrown a ball in his life and it shows.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 10:45 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> My money is on Redtails.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 7/20/2020 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Dr. Fauci to throw ceremonial first pitch on opening day for Washington
>> Nationals.
>>
>>
>>
>> And in other sports news, what will be the new name for the Washington
>> football team?  Apparently the smart money is on Washington Warriors,
>> although personally I liked the Internet’s suggestion of Washington Red
>> Pandas.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT (not political) first pitch


  
  
It's been quite a while since the guy was in high school. Hell,
  it's been a while since I was in high school, and he has several
  years on me. I think I can pitch better though. I can still play
  catch with my nephews.
  

bp



On 7/24/2020 5:07 PM, Forrest Christian
  (List Account) wrote:


  
  Apparently Fauci was the captain of his Basketball
team in high school.   So I would guess he's at least thrown a
9.5" round ball.  


I also know of at least one excellent basketball
  player that couldn't hit the side of a barn with a baseball. 
   Sink a basket from the half-line, no problem.   Pitch a
  strike, not gonna happen.
  
  
  
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:09
  PM Cameron Crum  wrote:


  I don't think that guy has ever thrown a ball
in his life and it shows. 


  
  
  
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at
  10:45 PM Bill Prince 
  wrote:


  
My money is on Redtails.

bp



On 7/20/2020 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
Dr. Fauci to throw ceremonial
  first pitch on opening day for Washington
  Nationals.
 
And in other sports news, what
  will be the new name for the Washington football
  team?  Apparently the smart money is on Washington
  Warriors, although personally I liked the
  Internet’s suggestion of Washington Red Pandas.
  
  
  

  
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Re: [AFMUG] bored

Where is my book of smites...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> As if Mormons had positive aspects.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 7/24/2020 3:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Heinlein frequently had a Mormon character that was cast in a positive 
>> fashion.  I really appreciated that.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected.   Some great ideas 
>>> but the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage male than they do some 40 
>>> years later.
>>> 
>>> Asimov has held up very well - as good today as it was when it was written.
>>> 
>>> For newer SciFi:
>>> 
>>> I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”.   A bit slow to start but 
>>> a fantastic work.Don’t start it if you have other things you need to do.
>>> 
>>> The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is also one of my very favorites. 
>>>  A bit hard to wrap your head around at first but once you figure it out 
>>> it’s excellent.
>>> 
>>> If you want something that’s just a plain fun easy read - “Old Man’s War” 
>>> by John Scalzi is a concept straight out of Heinlein’s style, with a 
>>> slightly different twist on the sexuality.   
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
 On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
 
 I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.  
 
 The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but something you earn 
 through service to society was interesting food for thought.  It's not 
 something we could do realistically, but it was interesting to think 
 about.  On the other hand, the idea that every soldier takes care of his 
 own logistics is pretty dumb though.  Heinlein must have found it 
 objectionable to have more people in the rear echelon than you have actual 
 fighters, but frankly modern wars are won by logistics.  Having more 
 soldiers is irrelevant if they don't have food, ammo, clothing, and fully 
 working equipment; and expecting every Gomer Pile to take part in every 
 aspect of that would be dumb.
 
 Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.  It spawned the whole body snatching 
 subgenre in sci fi.
 
 
 
 On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like 
> either of them.  Been a while since I read any Bradbury or Heinlein.
>  
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>  
> I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and was 
> recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>  
> Books are better.
> 
> I found the 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook enlightening.  The 
> views expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  It 
> also discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried 
> to build a bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book you'd 
> have to do a lot of your own figuring to fill in the blanks, but maybe 
> that's the whole point, and maybe that's the piece we're missing from 
> society today.  Like maybe the journey of figuring out the precise 
> techniques to carve the notches into the logs is a better experience than 
> emulating a you-tuber who shows you every single step.
> 
> My other recent recreational book was the National Audubon Society Field 
> Guide to North American Trees. I lived 40 years on this earth only ever 
> learning a handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm 
> embarrassed to say I was calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" for 
> most of those years.  I finally decided to educate myself on the topic.
> 
>  
> 
> On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am 
> really missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the 
> time.  That option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on 
> to watch...  Need a good book I guess.
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] bored

I have one of them name tags.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 6:08 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> Oh yeah. These guys are fashion-forward.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 7/24/2020 4:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> He said positive fashion.  So fancy clothes?
>>  
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 5:36 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>>  
>> As if Mormons had positive aspects.
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>> On 7/24/2020 3:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Heinlein frequently had a Mormon character that was cast in a positive 
>> fashion.  I really appreciated that.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 24, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>> 
>>  Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected.   Some great ideas 
>> but the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage male than they do some 40 
>> years later.
>>  
>> Asimov has held up very well - as good today as it was when it was written.
>>  
>> For newer SciFi:
>>  
>> I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”.   A bit slow to start but a 
>> fantastic work.Don’t start it if you have other things you need to do.
>>  
>> The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is also one of my very favorites.  
>> A bit hard to wrap your head around at first but once you figure it out it’s 
>> excellent.
>>  
>> If you want something that’s just a plain fun easy read - “Old Man’s War” by 
>> John Scalzi is a concept straight out of Heinlein’s style, with a slightly 
>> different twist on the sexuality.   
>>  
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>  
>> I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.  
>> The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but something you earn through 
>> service to society was interesting food for thought.  It's not something we 
>> could do realistically, but it was interesting to think about.  On the other 
>> hand, the idea that every soldier takes care of his own logistics is pretty 
>> dumb though.  Heinlein must have found it objectionable to have more people 
>> in the rear echelon than you have actual fighters, but frankly modern wars 
>> are won by logistics.  Having more soldiers is irrelevant if they don't have 
>> food, ammo, clothing, and fully working equipment; and expecting every Gomer 
>> Pile to take part in every aspect of that would be dumb.
>> Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.  It spawned the whole body snatching 
>> subgenre in sci fi.
>>  
>> On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like either 
>> of them.  Been a while since I read any Bradbury or Heinlein.
>>  
>> From: Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>>  
>> I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and was 
>> recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.
>>  
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>>  
>> Books are better.
>> I found the 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook enlightening.  The views 
>> expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  It also 
>> discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried to build 
>> a bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book you'd have to do a 
>> lot of your own figuring to fill in the blanks, but maybe that's the whole 
>> point, and maybe that's the piece we're missing from society today.  Like 
>> maybe the journey of figuring out the precise techniques to carve the 
>> notches into the logs is a better experience than emulating a you-tuber who 
>> shows you every single step.
>> My other recent recreational book was the National Audubon Society Field 
>> Guide to North American Trees. I lived 40 years on this earth only ever 
>> learning a handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm embarrassed 
>> to say I was calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" for most of those 
>> years.  I finally decided to educate myself on the topic.
>>  
>> On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> I am not much of a sports fan... I thought.  But with no sports on I am 
>> really missing them.  I would at times catch part of a game to pass the 
>> time.  That option is gone for the moment and there nothing but crap on to 
>> watch...  Need a good book I guess.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] bored

2020-07-24 Thread Mark Radabaugh

So y’all were supposed to find me some other good SciFi books.   There is a lot 
of SciFi out there but the vast majority of it reads like the narration of a 
first person shooter.  Boring.   

Martha Wells “All Systems Red” is amusing.

Mark

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> The movie is shit, but apparently it wasn't even supposed to be a Starship 
> Troopers movie.  The original title was "Bug Hunt on Outpost 9".  Someone at 
> the Heinlein estate thought it had too much similarity to Starship Troopers 
> and there was a legal dispute.  The studio agreed to pay licensing to use 
> Starship Troopers IP.  The director had apparently never even heard of the 
> book and was annoyed at having to rework the movie into the "Starship 
> Troopers" framework.
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/24/2020 5:59 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Why are people talking about Starship Troopers lately?  I’d never heard of 
>> it.  I asked my son what it was about and he said bugs.  Bad bugs?  Yes.  
>> Good movie?  Stupid movie.
>>  
>> Was it satire?  There’s a fine line between satire and stupid.
>>  
>>  
>> From: AF   On 
>> Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:15 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>>  
>> Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected.   Some great ideas 
>> but the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage male than they do some 40 
>> years later.
>>  
>> Asimov has held up very well - as good today as it was when it was written.
>>  
>> For newer SciFi:
>>  
>> I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”.   A bit slow to start but a 
>> fantastic work.Don’t start it if you have other things you need to do.
>>  
>> The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is also one of my very favorites.  
>> A bit hard to wrap your head around at first but once you figure it out it’s 
>> excellent.
>>  
>> If you want something that’s just a plain fun easy read - “Old Man’s War” by 
>> John Scalzi is a concept straight out of Heinlein’s style, with a slightly 
>> different twist on the sexuality.   
>>  
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett > > wrote:
>>  
>> I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.  
>> The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but something you earn through 
>> service to society was interesting food for thought.  It's not something we 
>> could do realistically, but it was interesting to think about.  On the other 
>> hand, the idea that every soldier takes care of his own logistics is pretty 
>> dumb though.  Heinlein must have found it objectionable to have more people 
>> in the rear echelon than you have actual fighters, but frankly modern wars 
>> are won by logistics.  Having more soldiers is irrelevant if they don't have 
>> food, ammo, clothing, and fully working equipment; and expecting every Gomer 
>> Pile to take part in every aspect of that would be dumb.
>> Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.  It spawned the whole body snatching 
>> subgenre in sci fi.
>>  
>> On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>> I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like either 
>> of them.  Been a while since I read any Bradbury or Heinlein.
>>  
>> From: Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>>  
>> I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and was 
>> recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.
>>  
>> From: AF   On 
>> Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>>  
>> Books are better.
>> I found the 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook enlightening.  The views 
>> expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  It also 
>> discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried to build 
>> a bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book you'd have to do a 
>> lot of your own figuring to fill in the blanks, but maybe that's the whole 
>> point, and maybe that's the piece we're missing from society today.  Like 
>> maybe the journey of figuring out the precise 
>> techniques to carve the notches into the logs is a better experience than 
>> emulating a you-tuber who shows you every single step.
>> My other recent recreational book was the National Audubon Society Field 
>> Guide to North American Trees. I lived 40 years on this earth only ever 
>> learning a handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm embarrassed 
>> to say I was calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" for most of those 
>> years.  I finally decided to educate myself on the topic.
>>  
>> On 7/24/2020 3:29 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>> I am not much of a

Re: [AFMUG] bored

2020-07-24 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

Scalzi books are good. I liked Lock In, still working through his others.

I am really looking forward to “Ready Player Two”, later this year.


> On Jul 24, 2020, at 20:11, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> So y’all were supposed to find me some other good SciFi books.   There is a 
> lot of SciFi out there but the vast majority of it reads like the narration 
> of a first person shooter.  Boring.   
> 
> Martha Wells “All Systems Red” is amusing.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> 
>> The movie is shit, but apparently it wasn't even supposed to be a Starship 
>> Troopers movie.  The original title was "Bug Hunt on Outpost 9".  Someone at 
>> the Heinlein estate thought it had too much similarity to Starship Troopers 
>> and there was a legal dispute.  The studio agreed to pay licensing to use 
>> Starship Troopers IP.  The director had apparently never even heard of the 
>> book and was annoyed at having to rework the movie into the "Starship 
>> Troopers" framework.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/24/2020 5:59 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>> Why are people talking about Starship Troopers lately?  I’d never heard of 
>>> it.  I asked my son what it was about and he said bugs.  Bad bugs?  Yes.  
>>> Good movie?  Stupid movie.
>>>  
>>> Was it satire?  There’s a fine line between satire and stupid.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:15 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>>>  
>>> Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected.   Some great ideas 
>>> but the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage male than they do some 40 
>>> years later.
>>>  
>>> Asimov has held up very well - as good today as it was when it was written.
>>>  
>>> For newer SciFi:
>>>  
>>> I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”.   A bit slow to start but 
>>> a fantastic work.Don’t start it if you have other things you need to do.
>>>  
>>> The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is also one of my very favorites. 
>>>  A bit hard to wrap your head around at first but once you figure it out 
>>> it’s excellent.
>>>  
>>> If you want something that’s just a plain fun easy read - “Old Man’s War” 
>>> by John Scalzi is a concept straight out of Heinlein’s style, with a 
>>> slightly different twist on the sexuality.   
>>>  
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>>  
>>> I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.  
>>> The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but something you earn 
>>> through service to society was interesting food for thought.  It's not 
>>> something we could do realistically, but it was interesting to think about. 
>>>  On the other hand, the idea that every soldier takes care of his own 
>>> logistics is pretty dumb though.  Heinlein must have found it objectionable 
>>> to have more people in the rear echelon than you have actual fighters, but 
>>> frankly modern wars are won by logistics.  Having more soldiers is 
>>> irrelevant if they don't have food, ammo, clothing, and fully working 
>>> equipment; and expecting every Gomer Pile to take part in every aspect of 
>>> that would be dumb.
>>> Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.  It spawned the whole body snatching 
>>> subgenre in sci fi.
>>>  
>>> On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like 
>>> either of them.  Been a while since I read any Bradbury or Heinlein.
>>>  
>>> From: Ken Hohhof
>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM
>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>>>  
>>> I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and was 
>>> recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.
>>>  
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>>>  
>>> Books are better.
>>> I found the 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook enlightening.  The 
>>> views expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  It 
>>> also discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried to 
>>> build a bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book you'd have to 
>>> do a lot of your own figuring to fill in the blanks, but maybe that's the 
>>> whole point, and maybe that's the piece we're missing from society today.  
>>> Like maybe the journey of figuring out the precise techniques to carve the 
>>> notches into the logs is a better experience than emulating a you-tuber who 
>>> shows you every single step.
>>> My other recent recreational book was the National Audubon Society Field 
>>> Guide to North American Trees. I lived 40 years on this earth only ever 
>>> learning a handful of major tree types (Oak, Maple, etc).  I'm embarrassed 
>>> to say I was calling every needle leafed tree a "pine" for most of those 
>>> years.  I finally decided to educate myself on the to

Re: [AFMUG] bored

My wife was into science fiction.  She always bought these every year:

https://us.macmillan.com/series/yearsbestsciencefiction/

 

After she died, I took boxes of them to the AAUW book sale.

 

She also tried to convince me Dune was great literature.  I have nothing 
against SF, but that’s not my idea of a good time.  When I was a kid I liked 
reading Jules Verne.  And watching Flash Gordon in TV.

 

There are some underrated old sci fi movies, like Forbidden Planet, Enemy Mine, 
The Day The Earth Stood Still.  Many movies were based on novels.  You could 
track down the books.  I remember reading On The Beach.

 

I used to watch stuff like Twilight Zone, I must be too lazy to read.  Maybe I 
need a cognitive test.  Person, woman, man, camera, TV.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/hwqglc/person_woman_man_camera_tv_hotdog/

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

 

So y’all were supposed to find me some other good SciFi books.   There is a lot 
of SciFi out there but the vast majority of it reads like the narration of a 
first person shooter.  Boring.   

 

Martha Wells “All Systems Red” is amusing.

 

Mark





On Jul 24, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

The movie is shit, but apparently it wasn't even supposed to be a Starship 
Troopers movie.  The original title was "Bug Hunt on Outpost 9".  Someone at 
the Heinlein estate thought it had too much similarity to Starship Troopers and 
there was a legal dispute.  The studio agreed to pay licensing to use Starship 
Troopers IP.  The director had apparently never even heard of the book and was 
annoyed at having to rework the movie into the "Starship Troopers" framework.

 

On 7/24/2020 5:59 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Why are people talking about Starship Troopers lately?  I’d never heard of it.  
I asked my son what it was about and he said bugs.  Bad bugs?  Yes.  Good 
movie?  Stupid movie.

 

Was it satire?  There’s a fine line between satire and stupid.

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

 

Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected.   Some great ideas but 
the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage male than they do some 40 years 
later.

 

Asimov has held up very well - as good today as it was when it was written.

 

For newer SciFi:

 

I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”.   A bit slow to start but a 
fantastic work.Don’t start it if you have other things you need to do.

 

The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is also one of my very favorites.  A 
bit hard to wrap your head around at first but once you figure it out it’s 
excellent.

 

If you want something that’s just a plain fun easy read - “Old Man’s War” by 
John Scalzi is a concept straight out of Heinlein’s style, with a slightly 
different twist on the sexuality.   

 

Mark






On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.  

The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but something you earn through 
service to society was interesting food for thought.  It's not something we 
could do realistically, but it was interesting to think about.  On the other 
hand, the idea that every soldier takes care of his own logistics is pretty 
dumb though.  Heinlein must have found it objectionable to have more people in 
the rear echelon than you have actual fighters, but frankly modern wars are won 
by logistics.  Having more soldiers is irrelevant if they don't have food, 
ammo, clothing, and fully working equipment; and expecting every Gomer Pile to 
take part in every aspect of that would be dumb.

Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.  It spawned the whole body snatching subgenre 
in sci fi.

 

On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like either of 
them.  Been a while since I read any Bradbury or Heinlein.

 

From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

 

I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and was 
recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored

 

Books are better.

I found the 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook enlightening.  The views 
expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  It also 
discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried to build a 
bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that book you'd have to do

Re: [AFMUG] bored


Have you already read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?

How about any Terry Pratchett?  My first Pratchett book was Wee Free 
Men.  He's pretty good. His whole Discworld setting is used as an analog 
to sort of satirize our real, non disc shaped world.


Oh and there was a collaboration between Pratchett and another author 
called The Long Earth, and that's excellent.



On 7/24/2020 10:11 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
So y’all were supposed to find me some other good SciFi books. There 
is a lot of SciFi out there but the vast majority of it reads like the 
narration of a first person shooter.  Boring.


Martha Wells “All Systems Red” is amusing.

Mark

On Jul 24, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


The movie is shit, but apparently it wasn't even supposed to be a 
Starship Troopers movie.  The original title was "Bug Hunt on Outpost 
9".  Someone at the Heinlein estate thought it had too much 
similarity to Starship Troopers and there was a legal dispute.  The 
studio agreed to pay licensing to use Starship Troopers IP.  The 
director had apparently never even heard of the book and was annoyed 
at having to rework the movie into the "Starship Troopers" framework.



On 7/24/2020 5:59 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Why are people talking about Starship Troopers lately?  I’d never 
heard of it. I asked my son what it was about and he said bugs.  Bad 
bugs?  Yes.  Good movie?  Stupid movie.


Was it satire?  There’s a fine line between satire and stupid.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 4:15 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bored

Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected.   Some great 
ideas but the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage male than 
they do some 40 years later.


Asimov has held up very well - as good today as it was when it was 
written.


For newer SciFi:

I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”.   A bit slow to 
start but a fantastic work.    Don’t start it if you have other 
things you need to do.


The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is also one of my very 
favorites.  A bit hard to wrap your head around at first but once 
you figure it out it’s excellent.


If you want something that’s just a plain fun easy read - “Old Man’s 
War” by John Scalzi is a concept straight out of Heinlein’s style, 
with a slightly different twist on the sexuality.


Mark



On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.

The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but something you
earn through service to society was interesting food for
thought.  It's not something we could do realistically, but it
was interesting to think about.  On the other hand, the idea
that every soldier takes care of his own logistics is pretty
dumb though.  Heinlein must have found it objectionable to have
more people in the rear echelon than you have actual fighters,
but frankly modern wars are won by logistics.  Having more
soldiers is irrelevant if they don't have food, ammo, clothing,
and fully working equipment; and expecting every Gomer Pile to
take part in every aspect of that would be dumb.

Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.  It spawned the whole body
snatching subgenre in sci fi.

On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM,ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused. Didn’t
really like either of them.  Been a while since I read any
Bradbury or Heinlein.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] bored

I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just
read and was recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair
Lewis.

*From:*AF
*On Behalf Of*Adam Moffett
*Sent:*Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] bored

Books are better.

I found the 1911 edition of the/Boy Scouts
Handbook/enlightening.  The views expressed by the author(s)
are a glimpse into a different time. It also discusses
survival and outdoor skills in broad terms. If you tried to
build a bow or a log cabin from the instructions in that
book you'd have to do a lot of your own figuring to fill in
the blanks, but maybe that's the whole point, and maybe
that's the piece we're missing from society today.  Like
maybe the journey of figuring out the precise techniques to
carve the notches into the logs is a better experience than
emulating a you-tuber who shows you every single step.

My other recent recreational book was the/National Audubon
Society Field Guide to North A

Re: [AFMUG] bored

First three Dune books are pretty good.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 9:04 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> My wife was into science fiction.  She always bought these every year:
> https://us.macmillan.com/series/yearsbestsciencefiction/
>  
> After she died, I took boxes of them to the AAUW book sale.
>  
> She also tried to convince me Dune was great literature.  I have nothing 
> against SF, but that’s not my idea of a good time.  When I was a kid I liked 
> reading Jules Verne.  And watching Flash Gordon in TV.
>  
> There are some underrated old sci fi movies, like Forbidden Planet, Enemy 
> Mine, The Day The Earth Stood Still.  Many movies were based on novels.  You 
> could track down the books.  I remember reading On The Beach.
>  
> I used to watch stuff like Twilight Zone, I must be too lazy to read.  Maybe 
> I need a cognitive test.  Person, woman, man, camera, TV.
> https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/hwqglc/person_woman_man_camera_tv_hotdog/
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:11 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>  
> So y’all were supposed to find me some other good SciFi books.   There is a 
> lot of SciFi out there but the vast majority of it reads like the narration 
> of a first person shooter.  Boring.   
>  
> Martha Wells “All Systems Red” is amusing.
>  
> Mark
> 
> 
> On Jul 24, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>  
> The movie is shit, but apparently it wasn't even supposed to be a Starship 
> Troopers movie.  The original title was "Bug Hunt on Outpost 9".  Someone at 
> the Heinlein estate thought it had too much similarity to Starship Troopers 
> and there was a legal dispute.  The studio agreed to pay licensing to use 
> Starship Troopers IP.  The director had apparently never even heard of the 
> book and was annoyed at having to rework the movie into the "Starship 
> Troopers" framework.
>  
> On 7/24/2020 5:59 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Why are people talking about Starship Troopers lately?  I’d never heard of 
> it.  I asked my son what it was about and he said bugs.  Bad bugs?  Yes.  
> Good movie?  Stupid movie.
>  
> Was it satire?  There’s a fine line between satire and stupid.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:15 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>  
> Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected.   Some great ideas but 
> the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage male than they do some 40 years 
> later.
>  
> Asimov has held up very well - as good today as it was when it was written.
>  
> For newer SciFi:
>  
> I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”.   A bit slow to start but a 
> fantastic work.Don’t start it if you have other things you need to do.
>  
> The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is also one of my very favorites.  
> A bit hard to wrap your head around at first but once you figure it out it’s 
> excellent.
>  
> If you want something that’s just a plain fun easy read - “Old Man’s War” by 
> John Scalzi is a concept straight out of Heinlein’s style, with a slightly 
> different twist on the sexuality.   
>  
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>  
> I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.  
> The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but something you earn through 
> service to society was interesting food for thought.  It's not something we 
> could do realistically, but it was interesting to think about.  On the other 
> hand, the idea that every soldier takes care of his own logistics is pretty 
> dumb though.  Heinlein must have found it objectionable to have more people 
> in the rear echelon than you have actual fighters, but frankly modern wars 
> are won by logistics.  Having more soldiers is irrelevant if they don't have 
> food, ammo, clothing, and fully working equipment; and expecting every Gomer 
> Pile to take part in every aspect of that would be dumb.
> Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.  It spawned the whole body snatching 
> subgenre in sci fi.
>  
> On 7/24/2020 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I get Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair confused.  Didn’t really like either 
> of them.  Been a while since I read any Bradbury or Heinlein.
>  
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:01 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>  
> I talked to an old college friend the other day, he had just read and was 
> recommending “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 2:54 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
>  
> Books are better.
> I found the 1911 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook enlightening.  The views 
> expressed by the author(s) are a glimpse into a different time.  It also 
> discusses survival and outdoor skills in broad terms.  If you tried to build

I saw the 80's Dune movie first. Later I read the book and was
surprised that I couldn't find any reference to the "Weirding module".
It seemed to be a big deal in the movie, but the book didn't seem to
mention it at all and instead put a lot of emphasis on hand to hand
combat. --because apparently their force fields are proof against normal
bullets and artillery, and if you shoot lasers at them both the gun and
the shield explode and nobody wins. So knife fighting was the only thing
left.

On 7/24/2020 11:07 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

First three Dune books are pretty good.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2020, at 9:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

My wife was into science fiction. She always bought these every year:

https://us.macmillan.com/series/yearsbestsciencefiction/

After she died, I took boxes of them to the AAUW book sale.

She also tried to convince me Dune was great literature. I have
nothing against SF, but that’s not my idea of a good time. When I
was a kid I liked reading Jules Verne. And watching Flash Gordon in TV.

There are some underrated old sci fi movies, like Forbidden Planet,
Enemy Mine, The Day The Earth Stood Still. Many movies were based on
novels. You could track down the books. I remember reading On The
Beach.

I used to watch stuff like Twilight Zone, I must be too lazy to
read. Maybe I need a cognitive test. Person, woman, man, camera, TV.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/hwqglc/person_woman_man_camera_tv_hotdog/

*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 9:11 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bored

So y’all were supposed to find me some other good SciFi books.
There is a lot of SciFi out there but the vast majority of it reads
like the narration of a first person shooter. Boring.

Martha Wells “All Systems Red” is amusing.

Mark

On Jul 24, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The movie is shit, but apparently it wasn't even supposed to be a
Starship Troopers movie. The original title was "Bug Hunt on
Outpost 9". Someone at the Heinlein estate thought it had too
much similarity to Starship Troopers and there was a legal
dispute. The studio agreed to pay licensing to use Starship
Troopers IP. The director had apparently never even heard of the
book and was annoyed at having to rework the movie into the
"Starship Troopers" framework.

On 7/24/2020 5:59 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Why are people talking about Starship Troopers lately? I’d
never heard of it. I asked my son what it was about and he
said bugs. Bad bugs? Yes. Good movie? Stupid movie.

Was it satire? There’s a fine line between satire and stupid.

*From:* AF
*On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 4:15 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] bored

Heinlein hasn’t aged as well as I would have expected. Some
great ideas but the sex bits appealed a lot more to a teenage
male than they do some 40 years later.

Asimov has held up very well - as good today as it was when
it was written.

For newer SciFi:

I absolutely love Dan Simmons “Hyperion Cantos”. A bit slow
to start but a fantastic work. Don’t start it if you have
other things you need to do.

The “Imperial Radch” series by Ann Leckie is also one of my
very favorites. A bit hard to wrap your head around at first
but once you figure it out it’s excellent.

If you want something that’s just a plain fun easy read -
“Old Man’s War” by John Scalzi is a concept straight out of
Heinlein’s style, with a slightly different twist on the
sexuality.

Mark

On Jul 24, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I liked Heinlein's Starship Troopers.

The idea that citizenship is not a birthright but
something you earn through service to society was
interesting food for thought. It's not something we
could do realistically, but it was interesting to think
about. On the other hand, the idea that every soldier
takes care of his own logistics is pretty dumb though.
Heinlein must have found it objectionable to have more
people in the rear echelon than you have actual fighters,
but frankly modern wars are won by logistics. Having
more soldiers is irrelevant if they don't have food,
ammo, clothing, and fully working equipment; and
expecting every Gomer Pile to take part in every aspect
of that would be dumb.

Puppet Masters wasn't bad either.

Re: [AFMUG] bored


  
  
When I heard they were going to make a Dune movie, my first
  thought was, nope, that can't be done. I was right.

bp



On 7/24/2020 8:07 PM, Chuck McCown
  wrote:


  
  First three Dune books are pretty good.
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On Jul 24, 2020, at 9:04 PM, Ken Hohhof
   wrote:
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
My wife was into science fiction.  She
  always bought these every year:
https://us.macmillan.com/series/yearsbestsciencefiction/
 
After she died, I took boxes of them to
  the AAUW book sale.
 
She also tried to convince me Dune was
  great literature.  I have nothing against SF, but that’s
  not my idea of a good time.  When I was a kid I liked
  reading Jules Verne.  And watching Flash Gordon in TV.
 
There are some underrated old sci fi
  movies, like Forbidden Planet, Enemy Mine, The Day The
  Earth Stood Still.  Many movies were based on novels.  You
  could track down the books.  I remember reading On The
  Beach.
 
I used to watch stuff like Twilight
  Zone, I must be too lazy to read.  Maybe I need a
  cognitive test.  Person, woman, man, camera, TV.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/hwqglc/person_woman_man_camera_tv_hotdog/
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Mark
  Radabaugh
  Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:11 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
  

 
So y’all were supposed to find me some
  other good SciFi books.   There is a lot of SciFi out
  there but the vast majority of it reads like the narration
  of a first person shooter.  Boring.   

   


  Martha Wells “All Systems Red” is
amusing.


   


  Mark


  

  
  

  
On Jul 24, 2020, at 6:27 PM,
  Adam Moffett 
  wrote:
  
   
  

  The
movie is shit, but apparently it wasn't even
supposed to be a Starship Troopers movie.  The
original title was "Bug Hunt on Outpost 9". 
Someone at the Heinlein estate thought it had
too much similarity to Starship Troopers and
there was a legal dispute.  The studio agreed to
pay licensing to use Starship Troopers IP.  The
director had apparently never even heard of the
book and was annoyed at having to rework the
movie into the "Starship Troopers" framework.
   
  
On 7/24/2020 5:59 PM, Ken
  Hohhof wrote:
  
  
Why are people talking
  about Starship Troopers lately?  I’d never
  heard of it.  I asked my son what it was about
  and he said bugs.  Bad bugs?  Yes.  Good
  movie?  Stupid movie.
 
Was it satire?  There’s a
  fine line between satire and stupid.
 
 

  
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
  Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:15 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
  Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bored
  

 
Heinlein hasn’t aged as
  well as I would have expected.   Some great
  ideas but the sex bits appealed a lot more to
  a teenage male than they do some 40 years
  later.

Re: [AFMUG] bored