Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

[chuck]

Lewis,
Are you taking any special measures to be able to prove you used the loan 
proceeds for approved uses?
Kinda hard when they get comingled with other funds in a general checking 
account.  
I think we put them in a separate savings account.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 6:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

$10k? How many people do you have? I think I got nearly $500k between all the 
companies. 

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 7:01 PM  wrote:

  Got our supposedly to be forgiven $10K loan today.  We shall see...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

[David Coudron]

We are putting the funds in a separate account, but are also assuming we’ll 
have to produce payroll reports/returns (we use ADP, so that should be easy) 
and we’ll have to produce invoices and proof of payment for utilities and rent.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 11:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

Lewis,
Are you taking any special measures to be able to prove you used the loan 
proceeds for approved uses?
Kinda hard when they get comingled with other funds in a general checking 
account.
I think we put them in a separate savings account.

From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 6:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

$10k? How many people do you have? I think I got nearly $500k between all the 
companies.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 7:01 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Got our supposedly to be forgiven $10K loan today.  We shall see...
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[AFMUG] OT Virus

[chuck]

Sobering to see that we have passed the number of the US servicemen deaths in 
the Korean war and will probably pass Vietnam before we are done.  All in a few 
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[AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

[Ken Hohhof]

Has anyone come up with a successful strategy for customers who manage to
provoke repeated DDoS attacks against them, other than to disconnect their
service?

 

I've got one who just got their 3rd strike after 2 previous warnings.

 

In 20 years in this business, I've only had this happen once previously.
That customer begged and pleaded and said it wouldn't happen again, he
needed Internet for his business, he said it was his son's fault and he
would ban his son from using the Internet.  So I turned him back on and of
course it happened again.

 

Given the pandemic, I'd like to think there is something I could do, like
require a detailed explanation of what happened (I assume one of his gamer
kids keeps talking smack and getting booted), and how he has dealt with the
situation.  But given my limited previous experience, I expect that would
just be gullible on my part, like Charlie Brown and the football.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Lewis Bergman]

I'm not sure that if it just smells like coronavirus that they classified
is that. Anybody who stops breathing was obviously subject to coronavirus.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 6:21 PM  wrote:

> Sobering to see that we have passed the number of the US servicemen deaths
> in the Korean war and will probably pass Vietnam before we are done.  All
> in a few short months.
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Re: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/19/20 4:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Has anyone come up with a successful strategy for customers who manage 
to provoke repeated DDoS attacks against them, other than to disconnect 
their service?


I’ve got one who just got their 3rd strike after 2 previous warnings.

In 20 years in this business, I’ve only had this happen once previously. 
That customer begged and pleaded and said it wouldn’t happen again, he 
needed Internet for his business, he said it was his son’s fault and he 
would ban his son from using the Internet.  So I turned him back on and 
of course it happened again.





You could block traffic on your end to whatever online gaming platform 
the kid can't stop being a DDoS magnet on.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Ken Hohhof]

In Wuhan, the Chinese forcibly separated infected individuals from their
families and sent them to isolation wards.  We are not doing that, I don't
know if any western country is doing that.  So I wonder how much of the
spread is within families living together.  Chris Cuomo tried
self-quarantine in his basement, but his wife got it.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 6:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

Sobering to see that we have passed the number of the US servicemen deaths
in the Korean war and will probably pass Vietnam before we are done.  All in
a few short months.  

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Re: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

[Darin Steffl]

Say it's happened too many times and disconnect service. Or bill $500 to
turn service back on and stay as a customer. He'll learn fast.

We had one a week ago and we warned them. Parent said kid gets a little
heated playing games but defended them and got mad at us ha.

I told them we don't cause these attacks and if your kids can't play nice,
you're no longer a customer. No more attacks to their account.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 6:35 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 4/19/20 4:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Has anyone come up with a successful strategy for customers who manage
> > to provoke repeated DDoS attacks against them, other than to disconnect
> > their service?
> >
> > I’ve got one who just got their 3rd strike after 2 previous warnings.
> >
> > In 20 years in this business, I’ve only had this happen once previously.
> > That customer begged and pleaded and said it wouldn’t happen again, he
> > needed Internet for his business, he said it was his son’s fault and he
> > would ban his son from using the Internet.  So I turned him back on and
> > of course it happened again.
> >
>
>
> You could block traffic on your end to whatever online gaming platform
> the kid can't stop being a DDoS magnet on.
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Re: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

[Ken Hohhof]

Hadn't thought of that, is it feasible?

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 6:35 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

On 4/19/20 4:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Has anyone come up with a successful strategy for customers who manage 
> to provoke repeated DDoS attacks against them, other than to 
> disconnect their service?
> 
> I’ve got one who just got their 3rd strike after 2 previous warnings.
> 
> In 20 years in this business, I’ve only had this happen once previously. 
> That customer begged and pleaded and said it wouldn’t happen again, he 
> needed Internet for his business, he said it was his son’s fault and 
> he would ban his son from using the Internet.  So I turned him back on 
> and of course it happened again.
> 


You could block traffic on your end to whatever online gaming platform the kid 
can't stop being a DDoS magnet on.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - bacon

[Ken Hohhof]

Maybe this is where all the chicken thighs are going.  Says the guy was feeding 
his tiger 20 pounds of chicken thighs daily.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/a-425-pound-tiger-living-in-a-harlem-apartment-yes-it-happened/ar-BB12Qw6y

 

Photo of tiger at apartment window is worth 1000 words.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 6:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bacon

 

Might be worth the risk.   Some folks guard toilet paper or bottled water like 
their life depends on it, we are sitting on a cache of chicken thighs.

 

Seriously, these pellet smokers have been really fun to tinker with.   Trying 
out all kinds of new stuff, some doesn’t turn out so well, but some are pretty 
good.   Did corn on the cob wrapped in bacon with the last batch of meat off 
the smoker.   Good stuff.  Doing my part to reduce the bacon glut.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 9:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bacon

 

imma cut you if you dont let loose some of them tyson thighs

 

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:22 PM David Coudron mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote:

Well, we are partly to blame.   The chicken thighs work great in pellet 
smokers, because they tend to react well to the low and slow cooking method of 
smokers.   They don’t dry out as fast and the darker meat picks up the smoke 
flavor really well.We have tried out a bunch of new recipes using chicken 
thighs.   We have a great one using the smoker and Jalapenos and cream cheese, 
wrapped by chicken thighs and yes… bacon.   Great stuff.   

 

I heard a news story that said we have too much bacon and not enough pork 
chops.   Their theory was that folks at home eat less bacon than when they go 
out to eat, but grill more foods like pork chops at home.   Don’t know how true 
that is. 

 

Bacon, Bacon, Bacon… 😊

 

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 7:11 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - bacon

 

That got your attention, didn’t it.

 

Steve seems to be right, chicken thighs are hard to find in the stores.  Why is 
that?  I thought most of the world preferred every other part of the chicken 
including wings.  I see legs, where are the thighs going?  Are people buying 
them now because it’s the cut with the most meat for the money?

 

Oddly, the store I stopped at today had Halal boneless skinless chicken thighs. 
 I don’t think I’ve ever bought halal meat or even seen it except in specialty 
halal stores.  Is some Muslim family going hungry because I bought their halal 
chicken?

 

The other thing I noticed was they had a TON of bacon.  I’ve never seen so much 
bacon.  Many brands and types.  Maybe big pork processors in various states are 
closing down due to Covid, but that doesn’t seem to be offsetting the bacon 
that isn’t being sold to restaurants, which is apparently where most bacon is 
normally consumed.

 

Bacon, bacon, bacon.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

We give 1 warning.  Second time.  Banned for 1 month.
If they sign back up and get a second, banned for 1 year.

I haven't had to do a permanent ban yet.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 6:29 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

Has anyone come up with a successful strategy for customers who manage to 
provoke repeated DDoS attacks against them, other than to disconnect their 
service?

I've got one who just got their 3rd strike after 2 previous warnings.

In 20 years in this business, I've only had this happen once previously.  That 
customer begged and pleaded and said it wouldn't happen again, he needed 
Internet for his business, he said it was his son's fault and he would ban his 
son from using the Internet.  So I turned him back on and of course it happened 
again.

Given the pandemic, I'd like to think there is something I could do, like 
require a detailed explanation of what happened (I assume one of his gamer kids 
keeps talking smack and getting booted), and how he has dealt with the 
situation.  But given my limited previous experience, I expect that would just 
be gullible on my part, like Charlie Brown and the football.
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Re: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

[Ken Hohhof]

They don't move to another ISP?  Not worried about that, I'd love for it to
be someone else's problem.  But are you in an area where there is no other
viable choice for Internet?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 7:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

 

We give 1 warning.  Second time.  Banned for 1 month.  

If they sign back up and get a second, banned for 1 year.

 

I haven't had to do a permanent ban yet.

 

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 6:29 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

 

Has anyone come up with a successful strategy for customers who manage to
provoke repeated DDoS attacks against them, other than to disconnect their
service?

 

I've got one who just got their 3rd strike after 2 previous warnings.

 

In 20 years in this business, I've only had this happen once previously.
That customer begged and pleaded and said it wouldn't happen again, he
needed Internet for his business, he said it was his son's fault and he
would ban his son from using the Internet.  So I turned him back on and of
course it happened again.

 

Given the pandemic, I'd like to think there is something I could do, like
require a detailed explanation of what happened (I assume one of his gamer
kids keeps talking smack and getting booted), and how he has dealt with the
situation.  But given my limited previous experience, I expect that would
just be gullible on my part, like Charlie Brown and the football.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Steve Jones]

a huge amount. tons of articles on just that, multiple dead family members.
Bad advice from our state officials in most cases telling people to
quarantine at home with their families. too bad.
I wish they would have just unleashed fauci, this would be over, he would
have blocked all travel, quarantined all sick people (actual quarantine,
not this nonsense).


On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 6:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> In Wuhan, the Chinese forcibly separated infected individuals from their
> families and sent them to isolation wards.  We are not doing that, I don’t
> know if any western country is doing that.  So I wonder how much of the
> spread is within families living together.  Chris Cuomo tried
> self-quarantine in his basement, but his wife got it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 19, 2020 6:21 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
>
>
> Sobering to see that we have passed the number of the US servicemen deaths
> in the Korean war and will probably pass Vietnam before we are done.  All
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep...my friends girlfriend got it, isolated her downstairs...she is
getting better but now he is showing symptoms and he is diabetic.
He has a huge home with vaulted ceilings...sprayed Lysol all over...took
all the PPE measures and still...
Both their parents are high risk plus in their 80s, so no other place for
them to separate

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 5:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> In Wuhan, the Chinese forcibly separated infected individuals from their
> families and sent them to isolation wards.  We are not doing that, I don’t
> know if any western country is doing that.  So I wonder how much of the
> spread is within families living together.  Chris Cuomo tried
> self-quarantine in his basement, but his wife got it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 19, 2020 6:21 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
>
>
> Sobering to see that we have passed the number of the US servicemen deaths
> in the Korean war and will probably pass Vietnam before we are done.  All
> in a few short months.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Jaime Solorza]

I said it before...inept.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 6:55 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> a huge amount. tons of articles on just that, multiple dead family
> members. Bad advice from our state officials in most cases telling people
> to quarantine at home with their families. too bad.
> I wish they would have just unleashed fauci, this would be over, he would
> have blocked all travel, quarantined all sick people (actual quarantine,
> not this nonsense).
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 6:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> In Wuhan, the Chinese forcibly separated infected individuals from their
>> families and sent them to isolation wards.  We are not doing that, I don’t
>> know if any western country is doing that.  So I wonder how much of the
>> spread is within families living together.  Chris Cuomo tried
>> self-quarantine in his basement, but his wife got it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 19, 2020 6:21 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>
>>
>>
>> Sobering to see that we have passed the number of the US servicemen
>> deaths in the Korean war and will probably pass Vietnam before we are
>> done.  All in a few short months.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I heard someone the other day commenting that this many people
  die in auto accidents. That many auto accidents in 6 weeks?!? At
  the rate we're going we'll end up with ~~ 300,000 dead in a year.


bp



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  wrote:


  
  

  Sobering to see that we have passed the number of the US
servicemen deaths in the Korean war and will probably pass
Vietnam before we are done.  All in a few short months.  

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Bill Prince]

  
  
We also did not know enough about it. Two months ago it was
  generally described as a bad pneumonia.  The common treatment for
  that is ventilators. The story that's come out the last couple of
  days is that it's not ventilators, but dialysis machines because
  many of the people dying are getting kidney failure. That, and
  they think it is infecting their hearts somehow. Blood clots
  everywhere.


bp



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  wrote:


  
  

  Sobering to see that we have passed the number of the US
servicemen deaths in the Korean war and will probably pass
Vietnam before we are done.  All in a few short months.  

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Lewis Bergman]

As many as 66,000 die from the flue in the US annually. That might have
been a high year.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 9:07 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I heard someone the other day commenting that this many people die in auto
> accidents. That many auto accidents in 6 weeks?!? At the rate we're going
> we'll end up with ~~ 300,000 dead in a year.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/19/2020 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Sobering to see that we have passed the number of the US servicemen deaths
> in the Korean war and will probably pass Vietnam before we are done.  All
> in a few short months.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Jason McKemie]

They are classifying all kinds of things as being kungflu related with no
testing to back it up (and in some cases no symptoms).

On Sunday, April 19, 2020, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> I'm not sure that if it just smells like coronavirus that they classified
> is that. Anybody who stops breathing was obviously subject to coronavirus.
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 6:21 PM  wrote:
>
>> Sobering to see that we have passed the number of the US servicemen
>> deaths in the Korean war and will probably pass Vietnam before we are
>> done.  All in a few short months.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Robert]

There is evidence that it effects the blood's ability to carry O2...

On 4/19/20 7:10 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


We also did not know enough about it. Two months ago it was generally 
described as a bad pneumonia.  The common treatment for that is 
ventilators. The story that's come out the last couple of days is that 
it's not ventilators, but dialysis machines because many of the people 
dying are getting kidney failure. That, and they think it is infecting 
their hearts somehow. Blood clots everywhere.



bp


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Sobering to see that we have passed the number of the US servicemen 
deaths in the Korean war and will probably pass Vietnam before we are 
done.  All in a few short months.






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Re: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/19/20 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Hadn't thought of that, is it feasible?



If it's a console you could block ranges XBL or PSN are using. Blocking 
PC gaming might be harder. If you want to put the effort into either vs. 
the easier option of telling the customer they need to find a new ISP.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Steve Jones]

You cant even imagine inept when you live in a state that's actually
managing it. Here in illinois it's a disaster, our governors an utter
moron, he knows there's a whole state here, I think, but his only concern
is Chicago. If it werent for their new mayor, New York would look like a
pony ride. She is pretty bad ass. This moron governor knew our intake
prison was infected and waited until they had transferred infected inmates
across the state before ordering them to stop.
People can say what they want about New York, but cuomo is handling that
shit. NYC and all it encompasses is a small nation of nations inside a
nation. It was going to be a shitshow regardless. If their mayor wasn't
inept it would have been handled. Cuomo should have stepped in there using
whatever authority he needed.
I dont buy the "second round" this fall, but if it hits, I hope our
government leans on cuomo for guidance.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 8:01 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I said it before...inept.
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 6:55 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
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>> a huge amount. tons of articles on just that, multiple dead family
>> members. Bad advice from our state officials in most cases telling people
>> to quarantine at home with their families. too bad.
>> I wish they would have just unleashed fauci, this would be over, he would
>> have blocked all travel, quarantined all sick people (actual quarantine,
>> not this nonsense).
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 6:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> In Wuhan, the Chinese forcibly separated infected individuals from their
>>> families and sent them to isolation wards.  We are not doing that, I don’t
>>> know if any western country is doing that.  So I wonder how much of the
>>> spread is within families living together.  Chris Cuomo tried
>>> self-quarantine in his basement, but his wife got it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 19, 2020 6:21 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sobering to see that we have passed the number of the US servicemen
>>> deaths in the Korean war and will probably pass Vietnam before we are
>>> done.  All in a few short months.
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Re: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

[Steve Jones]

You could put a waivable 30 day suspension in your TOS, for first
infraction with a non waivable 30 day suspension for a second within 36
months and 1500 dollar reconnect fee.
The first one might have simply been beating some script kiddy in a fornite
match. The second needs to hurt.

1500 is relatively inexpensive considering the cost of mitigation to you as
well as the global cost to your other customers in lost productivity.

Theyll file an fcc complaint, it will go nowhere, theyll hit the bbb, it
will go nowhere, theyll bad review you, it will be a short hit, but better
than constant service interruptions for your other customers.

Hopefully they terminate service during the suspension period

We got a heads up on one of these guys, thank god. He was NLOS before we
even had his paperwork and luckily he was actual NLOS. I dont know if he
ever found a provider, dont care, F that guy

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 10:51 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 4/19/20 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Hadn't thought of that, is it feasible?
>
>
> If it's a console you could block ranges XBL or PSN are using. Blocking
> PC gaming might be harder. If you want to put the effort into either vs.
> the easier option of telling the customer they need to find a new ISP.
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