Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner

[Chuck McCown]

10 years plus, taste like new.

Sent from my iPhone

>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Chuck, I thought of you and your Vienna sausages when I read this article.
>  
> https://www.nytimes.com/article/expiration-dates-coronavirus.html
>  
> “So long as there is no outward sign of spoilage (such as bulging or rust), 
> or visible spoilage when you open it (such as cloudiness, moldiness or rotten 
> smells), your canned fruits, vegetables and meats will remain as delicious 
> and palatable as the day you bought them for years (or in the case of, say, 
> Vienna sausages at least as good as they were to begin with)."
>  
> I think they’re saying Vienna sausages can’t go bad, because they were never 
> really good to begin with.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:30 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner
>  
> Indoor smoking, I like it
>  
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 7:49 PM  wrote:
> I put some chunks of hickory in the bottom of a deep cast iron pan.  Put a 
> perforated rack over it, then cooked chicken breast then another frying pan 
> inverted over the whole mess. 
>  
> Fire on high for about 15 minutes.  Yummy smoked chicken for tacos.  Smoke 
> alarms still have not gone off.  My wife thought I was crazy when I started 
> it.  She liked the outcome.  Our exhaust fan does not move anywhere enough 
> air to do this very often. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner

[Bill Prince]

  
  
My wife and I have debated this for years now. I maintain that as
  long as a can is not bulging or showing other signs of distress,
  the stuff inside is safe to eat. "Palatable" is another thing.
  based on what I read, the taste qualities do decline, and the
  "best by" or "use by" dates are a subjective indication of how
  what's inside will taste.
None-the less, we now mark cans on top with a magic marker of
  when their "use by" date is, and we (try to) rotate stock.


bp



On 4/16/2020 7:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
Chuck, I thought of you and your Vienna
  sausages when I read this article.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/article/expiration-dates-coronavirus.html
 
“So
long as there is no outward sign of spoilage (such as
bulging or rust), or visible spoilage when you open it (such
as cloudiness, moldiness or rotten smells), your canned
fruits, vegetables and meats will remain as delicious and
palatable as the day you bought them for years (or in the
case of, say, Vienna sausages at
least as good as they were to begin with)."
 
I think they’re saying Vienna sausages
  can’t go bad, because they were never really good to begin
  with.
 
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Steve
Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner

 

  Indoor smoking, I like it

 

  
On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 7:49 PM 
  wrote:
  
  

  

  
I put some
chunks of hickory in the bottom of a deep cast
iron pan.  Put a perforated rack over it, then
cooked chicken breast then another frying pan
inverted over the whole mess.  
  
  
 
  
  
Fire on
high for about 15 minutes.  Yummy smoked chicken
for tacos.  Smoke alarms still have not gone
off.  My wife thought I was crazy when I started
it.  She liked the outcome.  Our exhaust fan
does not move anywhere enough air to do this
very often.  
  

  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner

[Ken Hohhof]

There are numerous YouTube videos of people eating “century eggs” aka thousand 
year old eggs.  Which are apparently neither 100 nor 1000 years old.  But they 
look hideous.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 9:31 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner

 

My wife and I have debated this for years now. I maintain that as long as a can 
is not bulging or showing other signs of distress, the stuff inside is safe to 
eat. "Palatable" is another thing. based on what I read, the taste qualities do 
decline, and the "best by" or "use by" dates are a subjective indication of how 
what's inside will taste.

None-the less, we now mark cans on top with a magic marker of when their "use 
by" date is, and we (try to) rotate stock.

 

bp

 

On 4/16/2020 7:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Chuck, I thought of you and your Vienna sausages when I read this article.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/article/expiration-dates-coronavirus.html

 

“So long as there is no outward sign of spoilage (such as bulging or rust), or 
visible spoilage when you open it (such as cloudiness, moldiness or rotten 
smells), your canned fruits, vegetables and meats will remain as delicious and 
palatable as the day you bought them for years (or in the case of, say, Vienna 
sausages at least as good as they were to begin with)."

 

I think they’re saying Vienna sausages can’t go bad, because they were never 
really good to begin with.

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner

 

Indoor smoking, I like it

 

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 7:49 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

I put some chunks of hickory in the bottom of a deep cast iron pan.  Put a 
perforated rack over it, then cooked chicken breast then another frying pan 
inverted over the whole mess.  

 

Fire on high for about 15 minutes.  Yummy smoked chicken for tacos.  Smoke 
alarms still have not gone off.  My wife thought I was crazy when I started it. 
 She liked the outcome.  Our exhaust fan does not move anywhere enough air to 
do this very often.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation

[Cameron Crum]

To add to what Mike said, there is no stipulation that there be a road,
house, or anything else for that matter in the deployment section of the
477. It is simply where you can provide service and as he pointed out, that
is very loosely defined. As there is no hard standard for what providing
service really means, and no standard for confirming what is reported, it
can easily be taken advantage of. If you are not using this to your own
advantage, then I suppose that is your choice., but I know a lot of wisps
who would rather not have govt money competing with them, or alternatively,
would like to gt some of that money for themselves.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 6:58 PM Brian Webster 
wrote:

> Data from 2017 by state.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.statista.com/chart/10600/us-home-broadband-penetration-by-state/
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 7:04 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation
>
>
>
> That’s within the range I would expect based on a mature broadband market.
> They say it takes at least 2 years to hit a good market penetration rate.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 5:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation
>
>
>
> In our rural areas, with FTTH on a road for several years, we usually get
> no higher than 75%.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 12:30 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> What percentage of rural customers would you all consider saturated?
>
>
>
> I have access to some new datasets and it disturbing. It's good
> disturbing, but unanticipated.
>
>
>
> May be bad.
>
>
>
> Is there a rural percentage of capture that is considered saturated as a
> standard? 100 percent is what we all want. But there are customers who dont
> want, or simply cannot afford internet access. There has to be some numbers
> out there.
>
>
>
> I doubt government numbers count, since government is dumb. Where does a
> simpleton such as myself go to find out what is considered saturated?
>
>
>
> Say I touch 1000 households. What is the percentage of capture that
> marketing is no longer recommended? If I have 500 of them, I'd think that's
> pretty good, maybe even saturated between lack of need, want, or ability
> and offset by whatever percentage per terrain would be co sided
> unservicable. I'd assume my midwest flatlands unservicable would be
> different than Johnny paychecks Arkansas hills unservicable.
>
>
>
> These numbers have to be somewhere
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Re: [AFMUG] OT dinner

[Carl Peterson]

You can do ribs that way if you don't have a real smoker or an egg.  foil
then chips in the bottom of a baking pan with the ribs on a rack above
them.  ~4hr @ ~200 in the oven then finish them on a regular webber or
whatnot.   If the chips start to smoke too much, squirt some water on
them.  Not sure if this would work in one of them modern fancy air
circulating ovens - the metal pan needs to get hotter than the air temp to
make smoke but this generally isn't an issue in an oven that just cycles
the burner on/off.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 7:49 PM  wrote:

> I put some chunks of hickory in the bottom of a deep cast iron pan.  Put a
> perforated rack over it, then cooked chicken breast then another frying pan
> inverted over the whole mess.
>
> Fire on high for about 15 minutes.  Yummy smoked chicken for tacos.  Smoke
> alarms still have not gone off.  My wife thought I was crazy when I started
> it.  She liked the outcome.  Our exhaust fan does not move anywhere enough
> air to do this very often.
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[AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[chuck]

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discontinued.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[Mike Hammett]

Could use GPEN too. 




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Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 11:57:14 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp 




Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras. They have some cheaper ones too that show 
discontinued. 
Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them? My distances are too far for ethernet. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation

[Mark Radabaugh]

Seems to match up with what we are seeing.   Ohio’s number is high but likely 
skewed down by the SE Appalachia area of the state where availability is still 
poor.

Mark

> On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Brian Webster  wrote:
> 
> 
> Data from 2017 by state.
>  
> https://www.statista.com/chart/10600/us-home-broadband-penetration-by-state/
>  
>  
> Thank you,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 7:04 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation
>  
> That’s within the range I would expect based on a mature broadband market. 
> They say it takes at least 2 years to hit a good market penetration rate.
>  
> Thank you,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 5:19 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Market saturation
>  
> In our rural areas, with FTTH on a road for several years, we usually get no 
> higher than 75%.
>  
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 12:30 AM Steve Jones  wrote:
> What percentage of rural customers would you all consider saturated?
>  
> I have access to some new datasets and it disturbing. It's good disturbing, 
> but unanticipated. 
>  
> May be bad.
>  
> Is there a rural percentage of capture that is considered saturated as a 
> standard? 100 percent is what we all want. But there are customers who dont 
> want, or simply cannot afford internet access. There has to be some numbers 
> out there.
>  
> I doubt government numbers count, since government is dumb. Where does a 
> simpleton such as myself go to find out what is considered saturated?
>  
> Say I touch 1000 households. What is the percentage of capture that marketing 
> is no longer recommended? If I have 500 of them, I'd think that's pretty 
> good, maybe even saturated between lack of need, want, or ability and offset 
> by whatever percentage per terrain would be co sided unservicable. I'd assume 
> my midwest flatlands unservicable would be different than Johnny paychecks 
> Arkansas hills unservicable.
>  
> These numbers have to be somewhere
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[Carl Peterson]

Can you give us something more to work with?  Do you need PTZ?  Outdoor?
Night?  Max budget?


On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:00 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Could use GPEN too.
>
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> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, April 17, 2020 11:57:14 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp
>
> Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones too that
> show discontinued.
> Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for
> ethernet.  I could use media converters I suppose...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[chuck]

It is for my equipment yard.  About 2 acres with 5 cameras up 35 feet.
So I doubt PTZ is necessary, yes outdoor.  Night if I can afford it.
Like to keep it under $500/camera If possible, but you get what you pay for.  
Just trying to simplify the amount of wiring I will be doing at each pole.  
And the poles will all have motion sensing LED parking lot lights at the top, 
so night may not help that much.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 11:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

Can you give us something more to work with?  Do you need PTZ?  Outdoor?  
Night?  Max budget?   


On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:00 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

  Could use GPEN too.




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  Subject: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp


  Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones too that show 
discontinued.
  Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for 
ethernet.  I could use media converters I suppose...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[TJ Trout]

I don't think you will find a camera with sfp and if you do it won't be
worth it.

if you want a REALLY good ptz, hikvision DS-2DF8236IX-AELW

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 10:36 AM  wrote:

> It is for my equipment yard.  About 2 acres with 5 cameras up 35 feet.
> So I doubt PTZ is necessary, yes outdoor.  Night if I can afford it.
> Like to keep it under $500/camera If possible, but you get what you pay
> for.
> Just trying to simplify the amount of wiring I will be doing at each
> pole.
> And the poles will all have motion sensing LED parking lot lights at the
> top, so night may not help that much.
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2020 11:10 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp
>
> Can you give us something more to work with?  Do you need PTZ?  Outdoor?
> Night?  Max budget?
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:00 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Could use GPEN too.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
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>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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>> 
>>
>>
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>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, April 17, 2020 11:57:14 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp
>>
>> Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones too that
>> show discontinued.
>> Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for
>> ethernet.  I could use media converters I suppose...
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[chuck]

Axis has them.  Just spendy.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 12:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

I don't think you will find a camera with sfp and if you do it won't be worth 
it. 

if you want a REALLY good ptz, hikvision DS-2DF8236IX-AELW

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 10:36 AM  wrote:

  It is for my equipment yard.  About 2 acres with 5 cameras up 35 feet.
  So I doubt PTZ is necessary, yes outdoor.  Night if I can afford it.
  Like to keep it under $500/camera If possible, but you get what you pay for.  
  Just trying to simplify the amount of wiring I will be doing at each pole.  
  And the poles will all have motion sensing LED parking lot lights at the top, 
so night may not help that much.  

  From: Carl Peterson 
  Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 11:10 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

  Can you give us something more to work with?  Do you need PTZ?  Outdoor?  
Night?  Max budget?   


  On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:00 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

Could use GPEN too.




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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 11:57:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp


Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones too that show 
discontinued.
Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for 
ethernet.  I could use media converters I suppose...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[TJ Trout]

Yeah I would just use the mikrotik gpen like mike said

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 11:18 AM  wrote:

> Axis has them.  Just spendy.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2020 12:10 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp
>
> I don't think you will find a camera with sfp and if you do it won't be
> worth it.
>
> if you want a REALLY good ptz, hikvision DS-2DF8236IX-AELW
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 10:36 AM  wrote:
>
>> It is for my equipment yard.  About 2 acres with 5 cameras up 35 feet.
>> So I doubt PTZ is necessary, yes outdoor.  Night if I can afford it.
>> Like to keep it under $500/camera If possible, but you get what you pay
>> for.
>> Just trying to simplify the amount of wiring I will be doing at each
>> pole.
>> And the poles will all have motion sensing LED parking lot lights at the
>> top, so night may not help that much.
>>
>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2020 11:10 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp
>>
>> Can you give us something more to work with?  Do you need PTZ?  Outdoor?
>> Night?  Max budget?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:00 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Could use GPEN too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
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>>> *Sent: *Friday, April 17, 2020 11:57:14 AM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp
>>>
>>> Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones too that
>>> show discontinued.
>>> Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for
>>> ethernet.  I could use media converters I suppose...
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Re: [AFMUG] Saf to af11 waveguide adapter

[TJ Trout]

Calling Daniel White 😄

Do you happen to know what it takes to swap a lumina to af-11?

Or am I stuck with calling saf or aviat for a replacement set of radios
that will volt up?

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 9:08 AM  wrote:

> I don’t think we did a SAF adapter.  We have pretty much quit doing all
> adapters due to extremely low levels of sales.  There is no money in them
> if I cannot run more than 100 at a time.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 10:02 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Saf to af11 waveguide adapter
>
> Chuck do you make this adapter?
>
> Lumina to af-11 ? (Whatever the lumina waveguide port type is to nmale )
>
> need to climb up and get the part number of the antennas not even sure
> what waveguide port they have according to the lumina spec sheet there can
> be like 10 different interfaces...
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Re: [AFMUG] Saf to af11 waveguide adapter

[Cassidy B. Larson]

I believe SAF makes a Lumina to Integra converter part. You’d get more spectrum 
use and bandwidth by going to Integra-WS as it is over an AF-11X.


> On Apr 17, 2020, at 12:29 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> Calling Daniel White 😄
> 
> Do you happen to know what it takes to swap a lumina to af-11? 
> 
> Or am I stuck with calling saf or aviat for a replacement set of radios that 
> will volt up?
> 
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 9:08 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
> wrote:
> I don’t think we did a SAF adapter.  We have pretty much quit doing all 
> adapters due to extremely low levels of sales.  There is no money in them if 
> I cannot run more than 100 at a time. 
>  
> From: TJ Trout <>
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 10:02 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Saf to af11 waveguide adapter
>  
> Chuck do you make this adapter?
>  
> Lumina to af-11 ? (Whatever the lumina waveguide port type is to nmale )
>  
> need to climb up and get the part number of the antennas not even sure what 
> waveguide port they have according to the lumina spec sheet there can be like 
> 10 different interfaces...
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[can...@believewireless.net]

What about this device?

https://www.ui.com/accessories/fiber-poe-accessory/

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:57 PM  wrote:

> Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones too that
> show discontinued.
> Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for
> ethernet.  I could use media converters I suppose...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

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Don't use PTZ.  They are far more hassle than they are worth except in
really unique situations, and end up missing whatever happened usually.

If you have to use something to minimize cameras... try a fisheye lens.

The IgniteNet mixed media converters are fairly inexpensive.

I've had a lot of interest in Verkada personally https://www.verkada.com/

Pricing is a bit high (especially at a $500 per camera budget) but
10-year warranty, onboard retention, and the cloud model is pretty
cool.  But cool comes at a cost for certain.

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ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 4/17/20 12:17:
> Axis has them.  Just spendy. 
>  
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2020 12:10 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp
>  
> I don't think you will find a camera with sfp and if you do it won't
> be worth it.
>  
> if you want a REALLY good ptz, hikvision DS-2DF8236IX-AELW
>  
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 10:36 AM  wrote:
>
> It is for my equipment yard.  About 2 acres with 5 cameras up 35 feet.
> So I doubt PTZ is necessary, yes outdoor.  Night if I can afford it.
> Like to keep it under $500/camera If possible, but you get what
> you pay for. 
> Just trying to simplify the amount of wiring I will be doing at
> each pole. 
> And the poles will all have motion sensing LED parking lot lights
> at the top, so night may not help that much. 
>  
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2020 11:10 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp
>  
> Can you give us something more to work with?  Do you need PTZ? 
> Outdoor?  Night?  Max budget?  
>  
>  
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:00 PM Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
> Could use GPEN too.
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> 
> 
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, April 17, 2020 11:57:14 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp
>
> Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones
> too that show discontinued.
> Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too
> far for ethernet.  I could use media converters I suppose...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[Eric Muehleisen]

Pretty good wifi cameras could be had for around $200. Point a nanostation
or a force 180 at them

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 11:57 AM  wrote:

> Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones too that
> show discontinued.
> Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for
> ethernet.  I could use media converters I suppose...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[chuck]

That could work.  Cost?

From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 12:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

What about this device?

https://www.ui.com/accessories/fiber-poe-accessory/  


On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:57 PM  wrote:

  Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones too that show 
discontinued.
  Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for 
ethernet.  I could use media converters I suppose...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[chuck]

Yeah, I may end up doing that.  

From: Eric Muehleisen 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 12:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

Pretty good wifi cameras could be had for around $200. Point a nanostation or a 
force 180 at them


On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 11:57 AM  wrote:

  Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones too that show 
discontinued.
  Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[can...@believewireless.net]

$30 -
https://www.balticnetworks.com/ubiquiti-fiberpoe-gen2-optical-data-transport-outdoor-poe

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 2:41 PM  wrote:

> That could work.  Cost?
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2020 12:37 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp
>
> What about this device?
>
> https://www.ui.com/accessories/fiber-poe-accessory/
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:57 PM  wrote:
>
>> Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones too that
>> show discontinued.
>> Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for
>> ethernet.  I could use media converters I suppose...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/17/20 11:39 AM, Daniel White wrote:
Don't use PTZ.  They are far more hassle than they are worth except in 
really unique situations, and end up missing whatever happened usually.



PTZ is a great compliment to overview cameras to go with them and an 
operator that would use the PTZ to get a closer look at something or 
follow someone.


For unmanned I agree, not really worth the expense.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[chuck]

Thanks,
I might just go wifi.  No matter what I have to power the camera.  And they all 
be within 300’ of the hot spot.  

From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 1:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

$30 - 
https://www.balticnetworks.com/ubiquiti-fiberpoe-gen2-optical-data-transport-outdoor-poe

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 2:41 PM  wrote:

  That could work.  Cost?

  From: can...@believewireless.net 
  Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 12:37 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

  What about this device?

  https://www.ui.com/accessories/fiber-poe-accessory/  


  On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:57 PM  wrote:

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discontinued.
Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for 
ethernet.  I could use media converters I suppose...
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[AFMUG] Is PRI voice still a thing?

[Seth Mattinen]

Is anyone still using/selling PRI delivered phone service these days or 
is it pretty much dead?


I've had a fractional PRI for 10 years now. It comes off a mux using an 
OC-12 SONET ring and it's pretty bulletproof (except for one time 
someone broke into a CO to steal stuff). The problem with VOIP service 
in the past is that I want it to work uninterrupted if there's a data 
related problem or router problem. Are there any equivalent quality 
solutions to an OC-12 delivered PRI in VOIP land or does everyone just 
accept its issues in exchange for lower cost?


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Re: [AFMUG] Is PRI voice still a thing?

[Adam Moffett]

Probably the second thing.

But maybe the better way to look at it is that our standard for data 
reliability has to go upward.



On 4/17/2020 6:14 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
Is anyone still using/selling PRI delivered phone service these days 
or is it pretty much dead?


I've had a fractional PRI for 10 years now. It comes off a mux using 
an OC-12 SONET ring and it's pretty bulletproof (except for one time 
someone broke into a CO to steal stuff). The problem with VOIP service 
in the past is that I want it to work uninterrupted if there's a data 
related problem or router problem. Are there any equivalent quality 
solutions to an OC-12 delivered PRI in VOIP land or does everyone just 
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[AFMUG] OT Workers Comp problem

[chuck]

One of my guys decided to put his fingers between a trailer lunette ring and a 
pintle hitch.  Crushed two of them pretty bad.  Lost some skin.  Had to have 
some parts re attached etc.

That was two weeks ago.  He has been no call no show ever since.  Does not 
return calls from the workers comp person.  He told his supervisor the the 
doctor said he cannot work.  I called the doctors' office.  They said no using 
that hand until it is better and no driving when taking the opioids

I have a company van that drives around town picking up these guys and hauling 
them to the shop each morning.  So he does not have to drive...

WC said do not fire him until he comes back to work.  He is malingering.  He is 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Workers Comp problem

[Adam Moffett]

I wonder how strong those opioids are.

On 4/17/2020 6:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
One of my guys decided to put his fingers between a trailer lunette 
ring and a pintle hitch.  Crushed two of them pretty bad.  Lost some 
skin.  Had to have some parts re attached etc.
That was two weeks ago.  He has been no call no show ever since.  Does 
not return calls from the workers comp person. He told his supervisor 
the the doctor said he cannot work. I called the doctors' office.  
They said no using that hand until it is better and no driving when 
taking the opioids
I have a company van that drives around town picking up these guys and 
hauling them to the shop each morning.  So he does not have to drive...
WC said do not fire him until he comes back to work.  He is 
malingering.  He is milking it.
Not sure what I can or should do.  We did do a write up and his 
supervisor said he needs to sign it.  Not sure if he saw it or not...


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Workers Comp problem

[Steve Jones]

Does he get the free end of the world government cash too while off for
this? the guy may be putting a down payment on his new mansion with all the
free money hes looking at.

we were by the balls when our guy broke his ankle from improperly operating
a ladder. Do you tell him to come back on light duty and risk him
"aggravating" the injury? Guys like this are a risk, and ive never met one
that was worth the risk of forcing back, they all know lawyers numbers, and
youre an evil business owner putting your profits above the well being of
the poor working man. At least thats what those lawyers are good at
convincing juries full of housewives. And oh boy, to fire or otherwise
mistreat a guy in the middle of the apocalypse, theyll vote you off the
island in a heartbeat

We ate the cost for a year. cost less in the long run.

Also, sometimes an address gets texted. And sometimes a guy milking a bum
finger overdoses on his opiates in his sleep. Sometimes a guy isnt a
problem anymore. sometimes a paypal account gets some money in it.
Sometimes a guy might just call Carol Fucking Baskin to feed a guy to a
tiger too

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 5:31 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I wonder how strong those opioids are.
> On 4/17/2020 6:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> One of my guys decided to put his fingers between a trailer lunette ring
> and a pintle hitch.  Crushed two of them pretty bad.  Lost some skin.  Had
> to have some parts re attached etc.
>
> That was two weeks ago.  He has been no call no show ever since.  Does not
> return calls from the workers comp person.  He told his supervisor the the
> doctor said he cannot work.  I called the doctors' office.  They said no
> using that hand until it is better and no driving when taking the
> opioids
>
> I have a company van that drives around town picking up these guys and
> hauling them to the shop each morning.  So he does not have to drive...
>
> WC said do not fire him until he comes back to work.  He is malingering.
> He is milking it.
> Not sure what I can or should do.  We did do a write up and his supervisor
> said he needs to sign it.  Not sure if he saw it or not...
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[AFMUG] Outdoor Shielded Cat5 Jumpers

[Matt]

Looking for a source of shielded outdoor cat5 jumpers around 3 foot.
To go from surge arrestor to AP.  Anyone have a source?  We currently
make them ourselves but looking at other cheaper faster options.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Workers Comp problem

[Chuck McCown]

I would guess Carol used the swamps.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 17, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> Does he get the free end of the world government cash too while off for this? 
> the guy may be putting a down payment on his new mansion with all the free 
> money hes looking at.
> 
> we were by the balls when our guy broke his ankle from improperly operating a 
> ladder. Do you tell him to come back on light duty and risk him "aggravating" 
> the injury? Guys like this are a risk, and ive never met one that was worth 
> the risk of forcing back, they all know lawyers numbers, and youre an evil 
> business owner putting your profits above the well being of the poor working 
> man. At least thats what those lawyers are good at convincing juries full of 
> housewives. And oh boy, to fire or otherwise mistreat a guy in the middle of 
> the apocalypse, theyll vote you off the island in a heartbeat
> 
> We ate the cost for a year. cost less in the long run.
> 
> Also, sometimes an address gets texted. And sometimes a guy milking a bum 
> finger overdoses on his opiates in his sleep. Sometimes a guy isnt a problem 
> anymore. sometimes a paypal account gets some money in it. Sometimes a guy 
> might just call Carol Fucking Baskin to feed a guy to a tiger too
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 5:31 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> I wonder how strong those opioids are.  
>> 
>> On 4/17/2020 6:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> One of my guys decided to put his fingers between a trailer lunette ring 
>>> and a pintle hitch.  Crushed two of them pretty bad.  Lost some skin.  Had 
>>> to have some parts re attached etc.
>>>  
>>> That was two weeks ago.  He has been no call no show ever since.  Does not 
>>> return calls from the workers comp person.  He told his supervisor the the 
>>> doctor said he cannot work.  I called the doctors' office.  They said no 
>>> using that hand until it is better and no driving when taking the 
>>> opioids
>>>  
>>> I have a company van that drives around town picking up these guys and 
>>> hauling them to the shop each morning.  So he does not have to drive...
>>>  
>>> WC said do not fire him until he comes back to work.  He is malingering.  
>>> He is milking it. 
>>> Not sure what I can or should do.  We did do a write up and his supervisor 
>>> said he needs to sign it.  Not sure if he saw it or not...
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Shielded Cat5 Jumpers

[Ken Hohhof]

L-com makes some but I don't think they'll be cheaper than making your own.
https://www.showmecables.com/by-category/cables/cat5e-cat6-cat7/outdoor-and-
industrial-ethernet-cables


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Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor Shielded Cat5 Jumpers

Looking for a source of shielded outdoor cat5 jumpers around 3 foot.
To go from surge arrestor to AP.  Anyone have a source?  We currently make
them ourselves but looking at other cheaper faster options.

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Shielded Cat5 Jumpers

[Jaime Solorza]

Shireen Inc?

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 4:45 PM Matt  wrote:

> Looking for a source of shielded outdoor cat5 jumpers around 3 foot.
> To go from surge arrestor to AP.  Anyone have a source?  We currently
> make them ourselves but looking at other cheaper faster options.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[Jaime Solorza]

We used POE extenders from planet for Cisco APs and cameras...most runs
right at 500 ft.   Worked well...just an idea..

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 10:57 AM  wrote:

> Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones too that
> show discontinued.
> Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Workers Comp problem

[Mark Radabaugh]

Do you have a signed employee manual that says ’no call, no show for 3 days 
constitutes a voluntary resignation’?   You might get away with claiming he 
quit.

We also added a rule saying injured workers must follow the doctors 
recommendations for physical therapy, if you don’t we get to fire you for 
cause.   This was after a guy hurt himself and then decided he wasn’t going to 
do physical therapy because ‘it hurt’.   No shit Sherlock.  We couldn’t get him 
released for work since he wouldn’t do the physical therapy and we couldn’t 
fire him because that would be retaliation.   Our workers comp lawyer was of 
the opinion we could fire him for not doing physical therapy when we had 
notified him it was a condition of employment when we hired him.

Since we didn’t have any of those things in place the first time this happened 
we ended up stuck paying him until he finally got around to coming back to work 
with a full release.  We didn’t want to risk firing him at that point, so we 
laid him off instead.   Translated as we are never ever calling you back from 
layoff, go collect unemployment.

The company pays for short and long term disability insurance for the 
employees.  For me it’s worth it to be able to be able to move these guys off 
the payroll and onto short/long term disability if they are injured and can’t 
get back to work.  It avoids the workers comp hit since technically we are 
still paying them.

Mark

> On Apr 17, 2020, at 6:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> One of my guys decided to put his fingers between a trailer lunette ring and 
> a pintle hitch.  Crushed two of them pretty bad.  Lost some skin.  Had to 
> have some parts re attached etc.
>  
> That was two weeks ago.  He has been no call no show ever since.  Does not 
> return calls from the workers comp person.  He told his supervisor the the 
> doctor said he cannot work.  I called the doctors' office.  They said no 
> using that hand until it is better and no driving when taking the opioids
>  
> I have a company van that drives around town picking up these guys and 
> hauling them to the shop each morning.  So he does not have to drive...
>  
> WC said do not fire him until he comes back to work.  He is malingering.  He 
> is milking it. 
> Not sure what I can or should do.  We did do a write up and his supervisor 
> said he needs to sign it.  Not sure if he saw it or not...
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Re: [AFMUG] Is PRI voice still a thing?

[Bruce Robertson]

How on earth do you break into a CO?  The one's I've seen are pretty 
dang secure, and usually staffed unless it's rural.  Was that here in 
Reno, Seth?


On 4/17/20 3:14 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
Is anyone still using/selling PRI delivered phone service these days 
or is it pretty much dead?


I've had a fractional PRI for 10 years now. It comes off a mux using 
an OC-12 SONET ring and it's pretty bulletproof (except for one time 
someone broke into a CO to steal stuff). The problem with VOIP service 
in the past is that I want it to work uninterrupted if there's a data 
related problem or router problem. Are there any equivalent quality 
solutions to an OC-12 delivered PRI in VOIP land or does everyone just 
accept its issues in exchange for lower cost?





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[AFMUG] OT - bacon

[Ken Hohhof]

That got your attention, didn't it.

 

Steve seems to be right, chicken thighs are hard to find in the stores.  Why
is that?  I thought most of the world preferred every other part of the
chicken including wings.  I see legs, where are the thighs going?  Are
people buying them now because it's the cut with the most meat for the
money?

 

Oddly, the store I stopped at today had Halal boneless skinless chicken
thighs.  I don't think I've ever bought halal meat or even seen it except in
specialty halal stores.  Is some Muslim family going hungry because I bought
their halal chicken?

 

The other thing I noticed was they had a TON of bacon.  I've never seen so
much bacon.  Many brands and types.  Maybe big pork processors in various
states are closing down due to Covid, but that doesn't seem to be offsetting
the bacon that isn't being sold to restaurants, which is apparently where
most bacon is normally consumed.

 

Bacon, bacon, bacon.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Is PRI voice still a thing?

[Mike Hammett]

We still have a customer that has a voice PRI. 


We have a dozen or two PRIs for interconnection with other voice switches. 


A lot of the minutes these days are over IP anyway, even in the core of the 
voice network. Well, obviously not anything legacy. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Seth Mattinen"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 5:14:30 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Is PRI voice still a thing? 

Is anyone still using/selling PRI delivered phone service these days or 
is it pretty much dead? 

I've had a fractional PRI for 10 years now. It comes off a mux using an 
OC-12 SONET ring and it's pretty bulletproof (except for one time 
someone broke into a CO to steal stuff). The problem with VOIP service 
in the past is that I want it to work uninterrupted if there's a data 
related problem or router problem. Are there any equivalent quality 
solutions to an OC-12 delivered PRI in VOIP land or does everyone just 
accept its issues in exchange for lower cost? 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - bacon

[Mike Hammett]

The pork processing plant in Rochelle was shut down for two weeks today due to 
COVID-19 infections in their workers. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 7:11:14 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - bacon 



That got your attention, didn’t it. 

Steve seems to be right, chicken thighs are hard to find in the stores. Why is 
that? I thought most of the world preferred every other part of the chicken 
including wings. I see legs, where are the thighs going? Are people buying them 
now because it’s the cut with the most meat for the money? 

Oddly, the store I stopped at today had Halal boneless skinless chicken thighs. 
I don’t think I’ve ever bought halal meat or even seen it except in specialty 
halal stores. Is some Muslim family going hungry because I bought their halal 
chicken? 

The other thing I noticed was they had a TON of bacon. I’ve never seen so much 
bacon. Many brands and types. Maybe big pork processors in various states are 
closing down due to Covid, but that doesn’t seem to be offsetting the bacon 
that isn’t being sold to restaurants, which is apparently where most bacon is 
normally consumed. 

Bacon, bacon, bacon. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - bacon

[David Coudron]

Well, we are partly to blame.   The chicken thighs work great in pellet 
smokers, because they tend to react well to the low and slow cooking method of 
smokers.   They don’t dry out as fast and the darker meat picks up the smoke 
flavor really well.We have tried out a bunch of new recipes using chicken 
thighs.   We have a great one using the smoker and Jalapenos and cream cheese, 
wrapped by chicken thighs and yes… bacon.   Great stuff.

I heard a news story that said we have too much bacon and not enough pork 
chops.   Their theory was that folks at home eat less bacon than when they go 
out to eat, but grill more foods like pork chops at home.   Don’t know how true 
that is.

Bacon, Bacon, Bacon… 😊

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 7:11 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - bacon

That got your attention, didn’t it.

Steve seems to be right, chicken thighs are hard to find in the stores.  Why is 
that?  I thought most of the world preferred every other part of the chicken 
including wings.  I see legs, where are the thighs going?  Are people buying 
them now because it’s the cut with the most meat for the money?

Oddly, the store I stopped at today had Halal boneless skinless chicken thighs. 
 I don’t think I’ve ever bought halal meat or even seen it except in specialty 
halal stores.  Is some Muslim family going hungry because I bought their halal 
chicken?

The other thing I noticed was they had a TON of bacon.  I’ve never seen so much 
bacon.  Many brands and types.  Maybe big pork processors in various states are 
closing down due to Covid, but that doesn’t seem to be offsetting the bacon 
that isn’t being sold to restaurants, which is apparently where most bacon is 
normally consumed.

Bacon, bacon, bacon.

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Re: [AFMUG] Is PRI voice still a thing?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/17/20 4:53 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
How on earth do you break into a CO?  The one's I've seen are pretty 
dang secure, and usually staffed unless it's rural.  Was that here in 
Reno, Seth?



The south meadows CO by winco. 11/11/18 - 11/14/18

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Re: [AFMUG] Is PRI voice still a thing?

[Bruce Robertson]

Lemme guess.  Copper harvesting.

On 4/17/20 5:37 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 4/17/20 4:53 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
How on earth do you break into a CO?  The one's I've seen are pretty 
dang secure, and usually staffed unless it's rural.  Was that here in 
Reno, Seth?



The south meadows CO by winco. 11/11/18 - 11/14/18




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Re: [AFMUG] OT - bacon

[Ken Hohhof]

Well, that’s not optimal.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 7:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - bacon

 

The pork processing plant in Rochelle was shut down for two weeks today due to 
COVID-19 infections in their workers.



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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 7:11:14 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - bacon

That got your attention, didn’t it.

 

Steve seems to be right, chicken thighs are hard to find in the stores.  Why is 
that?  I thought most of the world preferred every other part of the chicken 
including wings.  I see legs, where are the thighs going?  Are people buying 
them now because it’s the cut with the most meat for the money?

 

Oddly, the store I stopped at today had Halal boneless skinless chicken thighs. 
 I don’t think I’ve ever bought halal meat or even seen it except in specialty 
halal stores.  Is some Muslim family going hungry because I bought their halal 
chicken?

 

The other thing I noticed was they had a TON of bacon.  I’ve never seen so much 
bacon.  Many brands and types.  Maybe big pork processors in various states are 
closing down due to Covid, but that doesn’t seem to be offsetting the bacon 
that isn’t being sold to restaurants, which is apparently where most bacon is 
normally consumed.

 

Bacon, bacon, bacon.

 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT cameras with sfp

[TJ Trout]

also chuck, most of the hikvision cameras and POE switches have an 'extend'
feature that can be enabled and push poe+data to 850ft

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:31 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We used POE extenders from planet for Cisco APs and cameras...most runs
> right at 500 ft.   Worked well...just an idea..
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 10:57 AM  wrote:
>
>> Axis has some $5000 ptz cameras.  They have some cheaper ones too that
>> show discontinued.
>> Anyone know of cameras with SFP on them?  My distances are too far for
>> ethernet.  I could use media converters I suppose...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - bacon

[Steve Jones]

imma cut you if you dont let loose some of them tyson thighs

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:22 PM David Coudron 
wrote:

> Well, we are partly to blame.   The chicken thighs work great in pellet
> smokers, because they tend to react well to the low and slow cooking method
> of smokers.   They don’t dry out as fast and the darker meat picks up the
> smoke flavor really well.We have tried out a bunch of new recipes using
> chicken thighs.   We have a great one using the smoker and Jalapenos and
> cream cheese, wrapped by chicken thighs and yes… bacon.   Great stuff.
>
>
>
> I heard a news story that said we have too much bacon and not enough pork
> chops.   Their theory was that folks at home eat less bacon than when they
> go out to eat, but grill more foods like pork chops at home.   Don’t know
> how true that is.
>
>
>
> Bacon, Bacon, Bacon… 😊
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2020 7:11 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - bacon
>
>
>
> That got your attention, didn’t it.
>
>
>
> Steve seems to be right, chicken thighs are hard to find in the stores.
> Why is that?  I thought most of the world preferred every other part of the
> chicken including wings.  I see legs, where are the thighs going?  Are
> people buying them now because it’s the cut with the most meat for the
> money?
>
>
>
> Oddly, the store I stopped at today had Halal boneless skinless chicken
> thighs.  I don’t think I’ve ever bought halal meat or even seen it except
> in specialty halal stores.  Is some Muslim family going hungry because I
> bought their halal chicken?
>
>
>
> The other thing I noticed was they had a TON of bacon.  I’ve never seen so
> much bacon.  Many brands and types.  Maybe big pork processors in various
> states are closing down due to Covid, but that doesn’t seem to be
> offsetting the bacon that isn’t being sold to restaurants, which is
> apparently where most bacon is normally consumed.
>
>
>
> Bacon, bacon, bacon.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Caldo Tlalpeño

[Steve Jones]

is that a chicken broth?

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:20 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Yum yum yum...
> Shredded chicken breast, garbanzo beans, cilantro, cheese , special sauce
> and avocado..with corn tortillas and a bubbly.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Workers Comp problem

[chuck]

I will have to check our manual but I’ll bet it does not have that.  Clever, we 
will add it.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 5:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Workers Comp problem

Do you have a signed employee manual that says ’no call, no show for 3 days 
constitutes a voluntary resignation’?   You might get away with claiming he 
quit. 

We also added a rule saying injured workers must follow the doctors 
recommendations for physical therapy, if you don’t we get to fire you for 
cause.   This was after a guy hurt himself and then decided he wasn’t going to 
do physical therapy because ‘it hurt’.   No shit Sherlock.  We couldn’t get him 
released for work since he wouldn’t do the physical therapy and we couldn’t 
fire him because that would be retaliation.   Our workers comp lawyer was of 
the opinion we could fire him for not doing physical therapy when we had 
notified him it was a condition of employment when we hired him.

Since we didn’t have any of those things in place the first time this happened 
we ended up stuck paying him until he finally got around to coming back to work 
with a full release.  We didn’t want to risk firing him at that point, so we 
laid him off instead.   Translated as we are never ever calling you back from 
layoff, go collect unemployment.

The company pays for short and long term disability insurance for the 
employees.  For me it’s worth it to be able to be able to move these guys off 
the payroll and onto short/long term disability if they are injured and can’t 
get back to work.  It avoids the workers comp hit since technically we are 
still paying them.

Mark


  On Apr 17, 2020, at 6:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  One of my guys decided to put his fingers between a trailer lunette ring and 
a pintle hitch.  Crushed two of them pretty bad.  Lost some skin.  Had to have 
some parts re attached etc.

  That was two weeks ago.  He has been no call no show ever since.  Does not 
return calls from the workers comp person.  He told his supervisor the the 
doctor said he cannot work.  I called the doctors' office.  They said no using 
that hand until it is better and no driving when taking the opioids

  I have a company van that drives around town picking up these guys and 
hauling them to the shop each morning.  So he does not have to drive...

  WC said do not fire him until he comes back to work.  He is malingering.  He 
is milking it.  
  Not sure what I can or should do.  We did do a write up and his supervisor 
said he needs to sign it.  Not sure if he saw it or not...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Caldo Tlalpeño

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes...some add Chipotle but I like mine with out...the melted cheese and
avocado make it scrumptious...

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 8:43 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> is that a chicken broth?
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:20 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Yum yum yum...
>> Shredded chicken breast, garbanzo beans, cilantro, cheese , special sauce
>> and avocado..with corn tortillas and a bubbly.
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