Re: [AFMUG] American Tower trying to renegotiate Tower Lease with landlord

[Lewis Bergman]

https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-divisions/competition-infrastructure-policy-division/tower-and-antenna-siting


On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 11:37 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Brian,
>
> Do you have any links to the federal law requiring another tower be
> allowed to be built in lieu of the zoning?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:54 PM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Lewis covers a lot of the points I would.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have done some consulting for a university that was approached
>> similarly. The tower company was fixated on some parts of the lease but
>> never focused on things like escalations and such. We did the amortizations
>> of the escalators and they still over time would exceed the rent they are
>> collecting. So moral of the story is make sure he get in writing the
>> document they would like to renegotiate before you put too much time in it.
>> Have them produce an executable version, not just an email highlighting
>> what they want to do. In the end the legal signed document is the only
>> thing that matters.
>>
>>
>>
>> Other points to consider. They are calling your bluff. The amount you
>> want to negotiate back you need to know seriously what their other options
>> are. Strict zoning is one thing but one of the justifications for forcing a
>> municipality to allow a new tower by federal law is the economic clause.
>> They could easily make the case for a new tower if they can prove that
>> their rent will exceed the rent they receive, but beware. Their lease with
>> eh carrier may have clauses to deal with that and they can increase the
>> rent to the carrier based on their ground lease. This is not always the
>> case though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Look at the tower companies termination options. Do they have the right
>> to terminate at each 5 year renewal? Are they required to return the site
>> back to previous state prior to building? Does the landowner have the right
>> to assume the tower in its current state if they chose not to renew?  All
>> serious points to consider in their offer for renegotiation. If it is
>> possible for the landowner to keep the tower if they terminate that might
>> be a good move and then just sign a reasonable lease with the carrier and
>> keep the revenue. But if the tower company wants to play hard ball they may
>> take the tower down with no option for the landowner to keep it standing,
>> that would include ripping up the tower foundation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have the landowner clearly research and understand all of these points.
>> Then decide if renegotiation is smart. Better to have the site stay there
>> producing revenue even if it is less, than to possibly lose all totally in
>> the near future. But the legal documents are going to be that key. Also
>> research the tax implications on taking the lump sum option. In some cases
>> that might get taxed at over 50%.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bottom line, play devil’s advocate and think about what the worst case
>> situation is going to be with your decision.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 2:24 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] American Tower trying to renegotiate Tower Lease
>> with landlord
>>
>>
>>
>> Lots of things to talk about here but lets hit the high points. Tower
>> companies are getting squeezed by carriers.
>>
>>1. First I'll say I really don't like term escalations, I favor
>>annual. Since they are already trying to back down their costs that one is
>>a non starter but we can get back to that.
>>2. A populated city is like saying a large lake. If you live next to
>>Superior, nothing is a large lake. What population are we talking about?
>>3. Don't ever give anything without getting something. If your friend
>>is worried, maybe a smaller fixed payment and a large % of revenue would
>>reduce their risk and make he gets a fair share of the revenue.
>>4. Look to recent municipal leases as they typically disclose a lot
>>of info about the final negotiations.
>>5. Depending on his age, maybe the lump sum is a good deal,
>>negotiated higher of course. If he is looking for a good way to pass along
>>revenue to heirs, maybe not.
>>6. He doesn't own the tower so can't negotiate directly with Verizon
>>unless he is going to build one or let them do it.
>>
>> I have seen Verizon (not American) move off of a tower and build one 1/4
>> mile away when they didn't like terms. The terms were that they wanted a
>> tower completely rebuilt, but didn't want to pay any additional fees to
>> have it replaced for the extra load. So they will move.
>>
>>
>>
>> If it were me, not knowing anything else about the situation, I would
>> come back with $6000 per year, increase annually at 3% and 33% of the
>> revenue paid Jan1 for the prior year and see what happens. Annual audit

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 60ghz

[Jason McKemie]

I've been kind of curious about this stuff:

https://www.kwikbit.com/

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, Mike Meluskey  wrote:

> Or buy some Ignitenet…..it just works.
>
> On 8 Apr 2020, at 19:39, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Q3 2020.  Apply the fudge factor of your choice.  Maybe email Allen Yu and
> ask when they will be available for preorder.  Maybe get in on a beta?
>
>
>
> One of the products they said was pushed out a few months due to supply
> chain disruption, but I don’t remember which.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 6:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 60ghz
>
>
>
> That sounds about right, I have the perfect application for this, just
> wondering how soon I can get it.
>
> On 4/8/2020 6:02 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
> I thought i seen something like 500 meters max distance with the higher
> gain CPE and the lower gain CPE was like 250'ish meters. I could be wrong.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 5:35 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> Do you remember when it was coming out?   I thought it was supposed to be
> just a month or 2.  Or was it Q3/4?
>
> On 4/7/2020 8:10 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I'm pretty confident they priced 2-3 models for the 60 GHz stuff.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 9:01 AM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
>
> A few of my notes...
>
>
>
> Basestation V5000 - List $999
>
> 10 Gbps
>
> 140 degree coverage
>
> Mesh capable
>
> SFP+ uplink
>
>
>
> Subscriber SM V3000 - List $199
>
> 1 Gbps
>
> 35 degree
>
> SFP uplink
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 5:06 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> I looked through the WISPA Webinar and questions, and I remember getting
> all these answers, but they must have answered it in the audio part of
> the presentation because I didn't see them in the slides, or the typed Q/A.
>
> When is it coming out?
> What is the pricing?
> Does it have a 5ghz backup?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Jaime Solorza]

My daughter in law is using her 3-D printers to make masks with replaceable
filters in conjunction with engineering department at college...she has
made over 40 so far.  The material is supplied at no cost and they are
giving to first responders and clinics.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 3:53 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Some of the analysis I've been reading has speculated that there is some
> genetic component to this; sort of like HIV does not affect approximately
> 20% of the population who have a certain genetic mutation. There is a
> growing consensus that the pneumonia is only one aspect of the infection.
> Sure, it can be bad, but it's not been the main factor when people die. The
> second thing appears to be some sort of immune system over-reaction. People
> who have the extreme immune reaction seem to be at a real disadvantage.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/8/2020 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> It’s so strange that some people are asymptomatic.  Yet for many people
> the symptoms are terrible and go on for a long time.  Like Chris Cuomo has
> described (not sure why he’s still on TV).  Or I read that Amy Klobuchar’s
> husband had to go to the hospital when he started puking up blood.  It
> can’t just be age or underlying conditions, those are both relatively young
> people in good health.  Yet other people don’t even know they had it, I
> guess they’re the Typhoid Mary’s of Covid 19.
>
>
>
> Maybe there’s a genetic factor to what you’re describing.
>
>
>
> Supposedly the limiting factor to how many people can be put on
> ventilators might be they are running out of the sedatives they use when
> they intubate people.  And they’re running out of swabs to test people.
> Damn, can’t we make anything?  I guess the “just in time” economy is
> literally killing us.
>
>
>
> I read something about Finland being the preppers of the Baltic.  Unlike
> Sweden and Norway they are still paranoid about Russia and have maintained
> their Cold War era preparedness.  They probably have lots of toilet paper.
> They also have lots of medical equipment and PPE, although if they are N95
> masks from 1950 they might not be in prime condition.  Apparently Finland
> shares a border with Russia and has access only to the Baltic Sea, not the
> North Atlantic.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT masks
>
>
>
> There is an antibody test now available and a lab in town here doing it.
> Priority is given to first responders, and it's already a month out.
> However, I read an article yesterday that had lots of info on how the virus
> acts and they were saying ventilators may be making it worse. Apparently,
> the virus latches on to the heme in your hemoglobin in your red cells,
> disassociating the toxic oxidative iron ion that attracts the O2. This
> prevents O2 from bonding to the red blood cells. To make matters worse, it
> is a permanent condition and the only fix is generating or introducing new
> red blood cells that can carry oxygen. Your kidneys start producing
> erythropoietin which tells your bone marrow to start ramping up production.
> That toxic iron now running around overwhelms the epithelial surface of the
> lungs which usually takes care of this stuff when it occurs naturally. This
> leads to damage and inflammation in the lungs, not pneumonia. So, now your
> liver kicks up its iron storage capability but soon gets overwhelmed and
> starts releasing ALT which is a cry for help. At that point, it is almost
> too late. If you bone marrow can't produce new red cells faster than the
> virus attacks them, it's all over. No amount of forcing air into the lungs
> will help. Providing pure oxygen like in a hyperbaric chamber may, but
> direct blood transfusions with healthy red cells is the best chance as
> there are not a lot of  hyperbaric chambers around. So, Hydroxychloroquine
> works the same way it does on malaria (which by the way attacks hemoglobin
> as well), by preventing the virus from attaching to the hemoglobin. It also
> lowers the blood pH helping to stop the replication of the virus. If you
> can keep your cells carrying oxygen and slow down virus replication, Your
> body can probably handle the rest.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 12:15 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> What everyone tries not to talk about is there’s evidently not that much a
> hospital can do.  If you just need IV fluids and oxygen, sure.  But if you
> need one of those ventilators, the prognosis is grim.  It sounds like the
> survival rate for people who are intubated is somewhere in the 20 to 40%
> range.
>
>
>
> Obviously if the hospitals get overrun, now you get Italy, where the
> mortality fate even for non-Covid cases skyrockets.
>
>
>
> I’m agreeing with you here, but we’re buying time until (a) universal
> testing (b) testing to see who has recovered and has at least temporary
> immunity, (c) new therapies being tested

Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Chuck McCown]

Not sure I believe N Korea.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Robert  wrote:
> 
>  But the whole world hasn't miffed this thing..   S. Korea, N. Korea, New 
> Zealand, Arab States, partially Japan, some of the russian federation states, 
> all managed to deal with it up front.  IF you got out in front of it, it was 
> manageable..
> 
> On 4/8/20 3:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Jaime,
>> At the risk of breaking Lent, you gotta steel yourself man. 
>>  
>> Just like learning a dear friend or relative has a terminal illness, you 
>> have to mentally prepare for 4 more years of a “very stable genius” with the 
>> “best words”. 
>>  
>> Sorry dude...  I am a Romney man...
>>  
>> (But to address the link you sent, I don’t think we have done any worse than 
>> Italy, France or Iran...  the whole world has muffed this thing).
>>  
>> From: Jaime Solorza
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:30 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks
>>  
>> https://kvia.com/your-voice-your-vote/politics/2020/04/08/cnn-poll-majority-of-americans-now-say-the-federal-government-has-done-a-poor-job-of-preventing-coronavirus-spread/?fbclid=IwAR0UNYN4lz7YUfj1mKlgKXQk1_7ETsC6jQwsLNIJ3-Qto3ZnT1cJb_uh_Eg
>>  
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 7:44 PM  wrote:
>>> Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store.  
>>> Walked in and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer 
>>> mom then a skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife.  Started 
>>> clucking like a chicken when he saw me and his wife was taking a video.  
>>> Was not quite calling me a chicken loud enough that I could clearly make 
>>> out exactly what he was doing, but was grandstanding for his skanky 
>>> woman
>>>  
>>> Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into action. 
>>>  I literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of pork and 
>>> beans with some comments of “you got a problem with me”.  Visions of a 
>>> throat punch were clear in my head...
>>>  
>>> But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the ER or a 
>>> dentist would not be fun this evening, and moved alone.  Ran into a handful 
>>> of other chickens on the way out the store. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

[Jay Weekley]

Does anyone have recommendations for a light weight pulley?

Mark Radabaugh wrote:
I would actually go lower diameter at 3/8”Unless you are pulling 
up the tower itself 5000’ is plenty strong and considerably lighter 
than the 1/2” or the 5/8”.


The one you linked to is a good rope.   I think we have the 3/8” as 
our main haul line.


We have heavier 1/2" and 5/8” ropes for climbing ropes.

Mark

On Apr 6, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Tushar Patel > wrote:


I am in the market to buy 1200 ft long double braid rope for pulling 
a load up the tower using capstan etc.

Any suggestions on the brand and the size (1/2 or 5/8)?
Following?
https://www.gmesupply.com/lifting-rigging/pelican-load-pro-double-braid-rope
Thanks,
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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Craig Schmaderer]

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From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 9:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

Not sure I believe N Korea.
Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 8, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Robert  wrote:
But the whole world hasn't miffed this thing..   S. Korea, N. Korea, New 
Zealand, Arab States, partially Japan, some of the russian federation states, 
all managed to deal with it up front.  IF you got out in front of it, it was 
manageable..
On 4/8/20 3:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Jaime,
At the risk of breaking Lent, you gotta steel yourself man.

Just like learning a dear friend or relative has a terminal illness, you have 
to mentally prepare for 4 more years of a “very stable genius” with the “best 
words”.

Sorry dude...  I am a Romney man...

(But to address the link you sent, I don’t think we have done any worse than 
Italy, France or Iran...  the whole world has muffed this thing).

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 7:44 PM  wrote:
Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store.  Walked 
in and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer mom then a 
skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife.  Started clucking like a chicken 
when he saw me and his wife was taking a video.  Was not quite calling me a 
chicken loud enough that I could clearly make out exactly what he was doing, 
but was grandstanding for his skanky woman

Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into action.  I 
literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of pork and beans 
with some comments of “you got a problem with me”.  Visions of a throat punch 
were clear in my head...

But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the ER or a dentist 
would not be fun this evening, and moved alone.  Ran into a handful of other 
chickens on the way out the store.
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

[Mark Radabaugh]

So many good ones out there right now.   These are some of the favorites:

https://www.rockexotica.com/product/pulleys 


Yes, it’s rock climbing gear but it’s appropriately rated, meets applicable 
standards, and is really good stuff.

Mark

> On Apr 9, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have recommendations for a light weight pulley?
> 
> Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> I would actually go lower diameter at 3/8”Unless you are pulling up the 
>> tower itself 5000’ is plenty strong and considerably lighter than the 1/2” 
>> or the 5/8”.
>> 
>> The one you linked to is a good rope.   I think we have the 3/8” as our main 
>> haul line.
>> 
>> We have heavier 1/2" and 5/8” ropes for climbing ropes.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Tushar Patel >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am in the market to buy 1200 ft long double braid rope for pulling a load 
>>> up the tower using capstan etc.
>>> Any suggestions on the brand and the size (1/2 or 5/8)?
>>> Following?
>>> https://www.gmesupply.com/lifting-rigging/pelican-load-pro-double-braid-rope
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tushar
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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Mike Hammett]

Yes, let's use North Korea as an example of how we should be doing things... 




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From: "Robert"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 6:54:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks 

But the whole world hasn't miffed this thing.. S. Korea, N. Korea, New Zealand, 
Arab States, partially Japan, some of the russian federation states, all 
managed to deal with it up front. IF you got out in front of it, it was 
manageable.. 


On 4/8/20 3:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 





Jaime, 
At the risk of breaking Lent, you gotta steel yourself man. 

Just like learning a dear friend or relative has a terminal illness, you have 
to mentally prepare for 4 more years of a “very stable genius” with the “best 
words”. 

Sorry dude... I am a Romney man... 

(But to address the link you sent, I don’t think we have done any worse than 
Italy, France or Iran... the whole world has muffed this thing). 




From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:30 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks 


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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 7:44 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store. Walked 
in and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer mom then a 
skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife. Started clucking like a chicken 
when he saw me and his wife was taking a video. Was not quite calling me a 
chicken loud enough that I could clearly make out exactly what he was doing, 
but was grandstanding for his skanky woman 

Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into action. I 
literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of pork and beans 
with some comments of “you got a problem with me”. Visions of a throat punch 
were clear in my head... 

But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the ER or a dentist 
would not be fun this evening, and moved alone. Ran into a handful of other 
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[AFMUG] OT One month to go

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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Not so sure about that.




bp



On 4/9/2020 7:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Steve Jones]

the daily deaths will climb as the new infections drop.

I still dont understand how they consider it a flattened curve for the
country when we still have major cities that havent even spiked yet

Tin foil hat on: How has the homeless population not been ravaged by this?

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:56 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Not so sure about that.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/9/2020 7:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

[Ken Hohhof]

Agreed.

 

But do you need light weight or small?  The aluminum side opening blocks are so 
versatile it makes sense to have some of them and they really don’t weigh that 
much.  I think these are the ones we have, or maybe another brand that looks 
similar:

https://www.gmesupply.com/kearney-303b2pj-3-inch-aluminum-side-opening-hand-line-block

 

Rock Exotica though does have pulleys you can just stick in your pocket.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

 

So many good ones out there right now.   These are some of the favorites:

 

https://www.rockexotica.com/product/pulleys

 

Yes, it’s rock climbing gear but it’s appropriately rated, meets applicable 
standards, and is really good stuff.

 

Mark





On Apr 9, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

 

Does anyone have recommendations for a light weight pulley?

Mark Radabaugh wrote:



I would actually go lower diameter at 3/8”Unless you are pulling up the 
tower itself 5000’ is plenty strong and considerably lighter than the 1/2” or 
the 5/8”.

The one you linked to is a good rope.   I think we have the 3/8” as our main 
haul line.

We have heavier 1/2" and 5/8” ropes for climbing ropes.

Mark




On Apr 6, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>  > wrote:

I am in the market to buy 1200 ft long double braid rope for pulling a load up 
the tower using capstan etc.
Any suggestions on the brand and the size (1/2 or 5/8)?
Following?
https://www.gmesupply.com/lifting-rigging/pelican-load-pro-double-braid-rope
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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Bill Prince]

  
  
They are. They just get hidden by the way the system works. A guy
  who dies on the street doesn't consume an ICU bed, or any bed for
  that matter.


bp



On 4/9/2020 7:58 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


  
  the daily deaths will climb as the new infections
drop.


I still dont understand how they consider it a
  flattened curve for the country when we still have major
  cities that havent even spiked yet


Tin foil hat on: How has the homeless population not been
  ravaged by this?
  
  
  
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:56 AM
  Bill Prince  wrote:


  
Not so sure about that.




bp



On 4/9/2020 7:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Here's something. Stanford researchers believe that that nCOV was
  circulating in Northern California as early as last fall. They are
  testing 3200 people at various sites around the Bay Area to
  confirm.
  
  https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article241855856.html



bp



On 4/9/2020 7:58 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


  
  the daily deaths will climb as the new infections
drop.


I still dont understand how they consider it a
  flattened curve for the country when we still have major
  cities that havent even spiked yet


Tin foil hat on: How has the homeless population not been
  ravaged by this?
  
  
  
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:56 AM
  Bill Prince  wrote:


  
Not so sure about that.




bp



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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[chuck]

CIA released it into the homeless population as an experiment.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:07 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

Here's something. Stanford researchers believe that that nCOV was circulating 
in Northern California as early as last fall. They are testing 3200 people at 
various sites around the Bay Area to confirm.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article241855856.html


bp


On 4/9/2020 7:58 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  the daily deaths will climb as the new infections drop. 

  I still dont understand how they consider it a flattened curve for the 
country when we still have major cities that havent even spiked yet

  Tin foil hat on: How has the homeless population not been ravaged by this?

  On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:56 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

Not so sure about that.






bp


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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I also think that they've changed the way the statistics are
  collected and published. They no longer have intra-day reports,
  but only report at the end of the day. So stats from "today" are
  very incomplete. You must now look at the totals from yesterday.


bp



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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Adam Moffett]

The last thing I read was that the hotspots in NY and other cities were 
flattening, and since they had bigger numbers it makes the overall 
picture appear to be flattening.  Other cities are just getting started.


We won't have the complete picture until it's all over.  Then we'll look 
back with 20/20 hindsight and armchair quarterback the whole thing and 
say how dumb everyone was.




On 4/9/2020 10:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Not so sure about that.


bp


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Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

[Josh Luthman]

Build something that works just as well and charge $2000 for it.  Make
everyone super happy.

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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 6:50 PM  wrote:

> Someday I am going to build some of my ideas for this.
>
> If you put a GPS antenna away from the tower and one on the tower, the
> long baseline will let you know the bearing between the two with great
> accuracy.  They could talk and let the tower unit know what the azimuth of
> the line between them is.
>
> Then you could aim a scope with an angular encoder at the ground unit, or
> it could have a strobe light with a omni lens camera on the tower to let it
> know where it is.  I even considered dopplar UHF antennas on the tower to
> get the position of the ground unit.
>
> Then it is a simple thing to know which direction you are aiming.
> Properly done it could be a $300 item instead of a $3000-$5000 item.  Just
> not sure which method to use to get the relative direction of the ground
> unit...
>
> A small rifle scope on an encoder would work really well.
>
> *From:* Tushar Patel
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2020 4:41 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?
>
>
> Time has come for us to get a little more accuracy on our sector antennas.
>
>
>
> Any input on the following product?
>
>
>
> http://www.multiwavesensors.com/antenna-alignment/
>
>
>
>
>
> Tushar
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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Ken Hohhof]

Just as worrisome if not more are nursing homes, jails, aircraft carriers, and 
frontline workers like police.  And places like this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/shapiro-developmental-center-has-more-covid-19-cases-than-any-illinois-health-facility/ar-BB12lO0I

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

 

the daily deaths will climb as the new infections drop.

 

I still dont understand how they consider it a flattened curve for the country 
when we still have major cities that havent even spiked yet

 

Tin foil hat on: How has the homeless population not been ravaged by this?

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:56 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Not so sure about that.

 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT . Picadillo breakfast

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Now that looks really, really good!

bp



On 4/9/2020 8:15 AM, Jaime Solorza
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  Yum yum
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] American Tower trying to renegotiate Tower Lease with landlord

[Kurt Fankhauser]

thanks for the link Lewis!

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:13 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

>
> https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-divisions/competition-infrastructure-policy-division/tower-and-antenna-siting
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 11:37 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> Do you have any links to the federal law requiring another tower be
>> allowed to be built in lieu of the zoning?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 3:54 PM Brian Webster 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lewis covers a lot of the points I would.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have done some consulting for a university that was approached
>>> similarly. The tower company was fixated on some parts of the lease but
>>> never focused on things like escalations and such. We did the amortizations
>>> of the escalators and they still over time would exceed the rent they are
>>> collecting. So moral of the story is make sure he get in writing the
>>> document they would like to renegotiate before you put too much time in it.
>>> Have them produce an executable version, not just an email highlighting
>>> what they want to do. In the end the legal signed document is the only
>>> thing that matters.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Other points to consider. They are calling your bluff. The amount you
>>> want to negotiate back you need to know seriously what their other options
>>> are. Strict zoning is one thing but one of the justifications for forcing a
>>> municipality to allow a new tower by federal law is the economic clause.
>>> They could easily make the case for a new tower if they can prove that
>>> their rent will exceed the rent they receive, but beware. Their lease with
>>> eh carrier may have clauses to deal with that and they can increase the
>>> rent to the carrier based on their ground lease. This is not always the
>>> case though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Look at the tower companies termination options. Do they have the right
>>> to terminate at each 5 year renewal? Are they required to return the site
>>> back to previous state prior to building? Does the landowner have the right
>>> to assume the tower in its current state if they chose not to renew?  All
>>> serious points to consider in their offer for renegotiation. If it is
>>> possible for the landowner to keep the tower if they terminate that might
>>> be a good move and then just sign a reasonable lease with the carrier and
>>> keep the revenue. But if the tower company wants to play hard ball they may
>>> take the tower down with no option for the landowner to keep it standing,
>>> that would include ripping up the tower foundation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have the landowner clearly research and understand all of these points.
>>> Then decide if renegotiation is smart. Better to have the site stay there
>>> producing revenue even if it is less, than to possibly lose all totally in
>>> the near future. But the legal documents are going to be that key. Also
>>> research the tax implications on taking the lump sum option. In some cases
>>> that might get taxed at over 50%.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bottom line, play devil’s advocate and think about what the worst case
>>> situation is going to be with your decision.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Brian Webster
>>>
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 2:24 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] American Tower trying to renegotiate Tower Lease
>>> with landlord
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lots of things to talk about here but lets hit the high points. Tower
>>> companies are getting squeezed by carriers.
>>>
>>>1. First I'll say I really don't like term escalations, I favor
>>>annual. Since they are already trying to back down their costs that one 
>>> is
>>>a non starter but we can get back to that.
>>>2. A populated city is like saying a large lake. If you live next to
>>>Superior, nothing is a large lake. What population are we talking about?
>>>3. Don't ever give anything without getting something. If your
>>>friend is worried, maybe a smaller fixed payment and a large % of revenue
>>>would reduce their risk and make he gets a fair share of the revenue.
>>>4. Look to recent municipal leases as they typically disclose a lot
>>>of info about the final negotiations.
>>>5. Depending on his age, maybe the lump sum is a good deal,
>>>negotiated higher of course. If he is looking for a good way to pass 
>>> along
>>>revenue to heirs, maybe not.
>>>6. He doesn't own the tower so can't negotiate directly with Verizon
>>>unless he is going to build one or let them do it.
>>>
>>> I have seen Verizon (not American) move off of a tower and build one 1/4
>>> mile away when they didn't like terms. The terms were that they wanted a
>>> tower completely rebuilt, but didn't want to pay any additional fees to
>>> have it replaced for the extra load. So they will move.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If i

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 60ghz

[Josh Luthman]

End of year was what I was thinking.  Possibly an example to show at
Vegas.  Shipping 2021.  Working from memory here...

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On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 5:35 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Do you remember when it was coming out?   I thought it was supposed to be
> just a month or 2.  Or was it Q3/4?
>
> On 4/7/2020 8:10 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I'm pretty confident they priced 2-3 models for the 60 GHz stuff.
>
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> Suite 1337
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>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 9:01 AM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
>
>> A few of my notes...
>>
>> Basestation V5000 - List $999
>>
>> 10 Gbps
>>
>> 140 degree coverage
>>
>> Mesh capable
>>
>> SFP+ uplink
>>
>>
>>
>> Subscriber SM V3000 - List $199
>>
>> 1 Gbps
>>
>> 35 degree
>>
>> SFP uplink
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 5:06 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> I looked through the WISPA Webinar and questions, and I remember getting
>>> all these answers, but they must have answered it in the audio part of
>>> the presentation because I didn't see them in the slides, or the typed
>>> Q/A.
>>>
>>> When is it coming out?
>>> What is the pricing?
>>> Does it have a 5ghz backup?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Robert]

What ever the result they were the first country outside of China to 
actually publicize documents on social distancing, testing and 
isolation.   Who knows if they followed it, had good results or if they 
are piling bodies like cordwood...


On 4/9/20 7:43 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Yes, let's use North Korea as an example of how we should be doing 
things...




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*From: *"Robert" 
*To: *af@af.afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, April 8, 2020 6:54:43 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

But the whole world hasn't miffed this thing..   S. Korea, N. Korea, 
New Zealand, Arab States, partially Japan, some of the russian 
federation states, all managed to deal with it up front.  IF you got 
out in front of it, it was manageable..


On 4/8/20 3:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Jaime,
At the risk of breaking Lent, you gotta steel yourself man.
Just like learning a dear friend or relative has a terminal
illness, you have to mentally prepare for 4 more years of a “very
stable genius” with the “best words”.
Sorry dude...  I am a Romney man...
(But to address the link you sent, I don’t think we have done any
worse than Italy, France or Iran...  the whole world has muffed
this thing).
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 7:44 PM  wrote:

Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the
grocery store.  Walked in and there was a construction worker
in a mask, then a soccer mom then a skinny redneck, with
his skinny redneck wife.  Started clucking like a chicken when
he saw me and his wife was taking a video.  Was not quite
calling me a chicken loud enough that I could clearly make out
exactly what he was doing, but was grandstanding for his
skanky woman
Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung
into action.  I literally had to stop myself from backing him
into a display of pork and beans with some comments of “you
got a problem with me”.  Visions of a throat punch were clear
in my head...
But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the
ER or a dentist would not be fun this evening, and moved
alone.  Ran into a handful of other chickens on the way out
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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Robert]

Under-reporting on this is epic.   In Nevada there is a shortage of 
testing supplies that has reduced testing to those actually going into 
hospital, first responders, and medical staff only. Bodies are suspected 
of piling up in homes in NY after the rules changed to no entrance if 
there is no heart beat...


On 4/9/20 7:58 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

the daily deaths will climb as the new infections drop.

I still dont understand how they consider it a flattened curve for the 
country when we still have major cities that havent even spiked yet


Tin foil hat on: How has the homeless population not been ravaged by this?

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:56 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


Not so sure about that.


bp


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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Robert]

They are finding people who have "recovered" with very low titrates of 
antibodies that possibly have no immunity.  This bug is the bugs bunny 
of bugs, always where you don't expect it to be...


On 4/9/20 8:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


The last thing I read was that the hotspots in NY and other cities 
were flattening, and since they had bigger numbers it makes the 
overall picture appear to be flattening.  Other cities are just 
getting started.


We won't have the complete picture until it's all over.  Then we'll 
look back with 20/20 hindsight and armchair quarterback the whole 
thing and say how dumb everyone was.




On 4/9/2020 10:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Not so sure about that.


bp


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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Carl Peterson]

Look at a graph with a logarithmic scale.  IMHO it is the best way to
visualize anything with exponential growth.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:59 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> the daily deaths will climb as the new infections drop.
>
> I still dont understand how they consider it a flattened curve for the
> country when we still have major cities that havent even spiked yet
>
> Tin foil hat on: How has the homeless population not been ravaged by this?
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:56 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Not so sure about that.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Either way, I would not use them as an example of anything in
  particular.


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On 4/9/2020 9:07 AM, Robert wrote:


  
  What ever the result they were the first country outside of
China to actually publicize documents on social distancing,
testing and isolation.   Who knows if they followed it, had good
results or if they are piling bodies like cordwood...
  
  On 4/9/20 7:43 AM, Mike Hammett
wrote:
  
  


Yes, let's use North Korea as an example
  of how we should be doing things...
  
  

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  From:
"Robert" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 6:54:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

But the whole world hasn't miffed this thing..   S.
  Korea, N. Korea, New Zealand, Arab States, partially
  Japan, some of the russian federation states, all managed
  to deal with it up front.  IF you got out in front of it,
  it was manageable..

On 4/8/20 3:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


  

  Jaime,
  At the risk of breaking Lent, you gotta steel
yourself man.  
   
  Just like learning a dear friend or relative has
a terminal illness, you have to mentally prepare for
4 more years of a “very stable genius” with the
“best words”.  
   
  Sorry dude...  I am a Romney man...
   
  (But to address the link you sent, I don’t think
we have done any worse than Italy, France or
Iran...  the whole world has muffed this thing).
  

   
  
From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:30
  PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks
  

 
  
  
https://kvia.com/your-voice-your-vote/politics/2020/04/08/cnn-poll-majority-of-americans-now-say-the-federal-government-has-done-a-poor-job-of-preventing-coronavirus-spread/?fbclid=IwAR0UNYN4lz7YUfj1mKlgKXQk1_7ETsC6jQwsLNIJ3-Qto3ZnT1cJb_uh_Eg
 

  On Tue, Apr 7,
2020, 7:44 PM 
wrote:
  
  

  

  Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a
few things at the grocery store.  Walked
in and there was a construction worker
in a mask, then a soccer mom then a
skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck
wife.  Started clucking like a chicken
when he saw me and his wife was taking a
video.  Was not quite calling me a
chicken loud enough that I could clearly
make out exactly what he was doing, but
was grandstanding for his skanky
woman
   
  Funny how fast my natural pugilistic
nature of my youth sprung into action. 
I literally had to stop myself from
backing him into a display of pork and
beans with some comments of “you got a
problem with me”.  Visions of a throat
punch were clear in my head...
   
  But I calmed myself, reminded myself
that going to jail or the ER or a
dentist would not be fun this evening,
and moved alone.  Ran into a handful of
other chickens on the way out the
store.  
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[chuck]

I guarantee their prison camps are a literal shit show.  Everyone sleeps on the 
floor in very tight quarters.  

From: Robert 
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:07 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

What ever the result they were the first country outside of China to actually 
publicize documents on social distancing, testing and isolation.   Who knows if 
they followed it, had good results or if they are piling bodies like cordwood...


On 4/9/20 7:43 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  Yes, let's use North Korea as an example of how we should be doing things...




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  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 6:54:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

  But the whole world hasn't miffed this thing..   S. Korea, N. Korea, New 
Zealand, Arab States, partially Japan, some of the russian federation states, 
all managed to deal with it up front.  IF you got out in front of it, it was 
manageable..


  On 4/8/20 3:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Jaime,
At the risk of breaking Lent, you gotta steel yourself man.  

Just like learning a dear friend or relative has a terminal illness, you 
have to mentally prepare for 4 more years of a “very stable genius” with the 
“best words”.  

Sorry dude...  I am a Romney man...

(But to address the link you sent, I don’t think we have done any worse 
than Italy, France or Iran...  the whole world has muffed this thing).

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks


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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 7:44 PM  wrote:

  Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store.  
Walked in and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer mom 
then a skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife.  Started clucking like a 
chicken when he saw me and his wife was taking a video.  Was not quite calling 
me a chicken loud enough that I could clearly make out exactly what he was 
doing, but was grandstanding for his skanky woman

  Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into 
action.  I literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of pork 
and beans with some comments of “you got a problem with me”.  Visions of a 
throat punch were clear in my head...

  But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the ER or a 
dentist would not be fun this evening, and moved alone.  Ran into a handful of 
other chickens on the way out the store.  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[chuck]

As long as the under reporting is consistent the trends on the new case graphs 
can be useful.  

From: Robert 
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:11 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

Under-reporting on this is epic.   In Nevada there is a shortage of testing 
supplies that has reduced testing to those actually going into hospital, first 
responders, and medical staff only.   Bodies are suspected of piling up in 
homes in NY after the rules changed to no entrance if there is no heart beat...


On 4/9/20 7:58 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  the daily deaths will climb as the new infections drop. 

  I still dont understand how they consider it a flattened curve for the 
country when we still have major cities that havent even spiked yet

  Tin foil hat on: How has the homeless population not been ravaged by this?

  On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:56 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

Not so sure about that.






bp


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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[chuck]

Most of the log graphs have leveled off.  The growth has been linear lately.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

Look at a graph with a logarithmic scale.  IMHO it is the best way to visualize 
anything with exponential growth.   

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:59 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

  the daily deaths will climb as the new infections drop. 

  I still dont understand how they consider it a flattened curve for the 
country when we still have major cities that havent even spiked yet

  Tin foil hat on: How has the homeless population not been ravaged by this?

  On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:56 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

Not so sure about that.






bp


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shakshuka dinner (or breakfast)

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Pretty simple. It's an African/middle eastern recipe. We got this
  one from the NYT. It can also be done with mozzarella instead of
  feta. Cook everything but the feta and eggs and cilantro in a big
  skillet on the stove top until the sauce thickens. Fold in the
  feta, then plop the eggs & cilantro on top and put in the oven
  at 375 for 10-15 minutes or until the eggs are set. BTW - I
  doubled he cayenne and it was just about perfect.

•    3 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil
  •    1 large onion, halved and thinly sliced
  •    1 large red bell pepper, seeded and thinly sliced
  •    3 garlic cloves, thinly sliced
  •    1 teaspoon ground cumin 1 teaspoon sweet paprika
  •    ⅛ teaspoon ground cayenne, or to taste
  •    1 (28-ounce) can whole plum tomatoes with their juices,
  coarsely chopped
  •    ¾ teaspoon kosher salt, plus more as needed
  •    ¼ teaspoon black pepper, plus more as needed
  •    5 ounces feta, crumbled (about 1 1/4 cups) 
  •    6 large eggs
  •    Chopped cilantro, for serving
  •    Hot sauce, for serving
  

bp



On 4/9/2020 9:22 AM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:


  
  Looks tasty...what are ingredients?
  
  
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 9:27 AM
  Bill Prince  wrote:


  
Made this for dinner Tuesday night, but there was enough
  left over for Wednesday breakfast.



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[AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?

[Peter Kranz via AF]

Seems like dead air from the FCC since last week on 5.9 Ghz Form 601's. When
I talked to them last week they aimed to have the approvals done by Monday
4/6. I wonder if someone decided to put the brakes on this program.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shakshuka dinner (or breakfast)

[Jaime Solorza]

Awesome I will give it a try... gracias

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:41 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Pretty simple. It's an African/middle eastern recipe. We got this one from
> the NYT. It can also be done with mozzarella instead of feta. Cook
> everything but the feta and eggs and cilantro in a big skillet on the stove
> top until the sauce thickens. Fold in the feta, then plop the eggs &
> cilantro on top and put in the oven at 375 for 10-15 minutes or until the
> eggs are set. BTW - I doubled he cayenne and it was just about perfect.
>
> •3 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil
> •1 large onion, halved and thinly sliced
> •1 large red bell pepper, seeded and thinly sliced
> •3 garlic cloves, thinly sliced
> •1 teaspoon ground cumin 1 teaspoon sweet paprika
> •⅛ teaspoon ground cayenne, or to taste
> •1 (28-ounce) can whole plum tomatoes with their juices, coarsely
> chopped
> •¾ teaspoon kosher salt, plus more as needed
> •¼ teaspoon black pepper, plus more as needed
> •5 ounces feta, crumbled (about 1 1/4 cups)
> •6 large eggs
> •Chopped cilantro, for serving
> •Hot sauce, for serving
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/9/2020 9:22 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Looks tasty...what are ingredients?
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 9:27 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Made this for dinner Tuesday night, but there was enough left over for
>> Wednesday breakfast.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 60ghz

[Gino A. Villarini]

People in the inside told me Q3


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Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 12:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 60ghz

End of year was what I was thinking.  Possibly an example to show at Vegas.  
Shipping 2021.  Working from memory here...

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 5:35 PM Nate Burke 
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
Do you remember when it was coming out?   I thought it was supposed to be just 
a month or 2.  Or was it Q3/4?
On 4/7/2020 8:10 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'm pretty confident they priced 2-3 models for the 60 GHz stuff.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 9:01 AM Eric Muehleisen 
mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A few of my notes...


Basestation V5000 - List $999

10 Gbps

140 degree coverage

Mesh capable

SFP+ uplink



Subscriber SM V3000 - List $199

1 Gbps

35 degree

SFP uplink

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 5:06 PM Nate Burke 
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
I looked through the WISPA Webinar and questions, and I remember getting
all these answers, but they must have answered it in the audio part of
the presentation because I didn't see them in the slides, or the typed Q/A.

When is it coming out?
What is the pricing?
Does it have a 5ghz backup?



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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

you apparently have the new firmware, did anyone get the Ubiquiti firmware
yet?

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:05 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I just fired up an epmp 1000 from my roof top at home and point it at
> Franklins...looky looky
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:59 AM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:
>
>> Seems like dead air from the FCC since last week on 5.9 Ghz Form 601’s…
>> When I talked to them last week they aimed to have the approvals done by
>> Monday 4/6… I wonder if someone decided to put the brakes on this program.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?

[Mathew Howard]

Considering that's showing firmware 2.4.3, I suspect it's just an ROW
radio...

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:47 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> you apparently have the new firmware, did anyone get the Ubiquiti firmware
> yet?
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:05 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I just fired up an epmp 1000 from my roof top at home and point it at
>> Franklins...looky looky
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:59 AM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:
>>
>>> Seems like dead air from the FCC since last week on 5.9 Ghz Form 601’s…
>>> When I talked to them last week they aimed to have the approvals done by
>>> Monday 4/6… I wonder if someone decided to put the brakes on this program.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?

[Jaime Solorza]

I got this radio from a client who does work in Mexico... country said
other ..I didn't make any changes...I was scanning to find a Cambium AP on
mountain that serves several McDonald's but I don't have clean shot at
it...they rebooted the AP and three clients came up...I am going to hold on
to this one since it goes up to the 6GHz range... wonder if Spectrum
Analyzer works ...maybe I will try it

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 1:21 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Considering that's showing firmware 2.4.3, I suspect it's just an ROW
> radio...
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:47 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> you apparently have the new firmware, did anyone get the Ubiquiti
>> firmware yet?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:05 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just fired up an epmp 1000 from my roof top at home and point it at
>>> Franklins...looky looky
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:59 AM Peter Kranz via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Seems like dead air from the FCC since last week on 5.9 Ghz Form 601’s…
 When I talked to them last week they aimed to have the approvals done by
 Monday 4/6… I wonder if someone decided to put the brakes on this program.



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[AFMUG] Utility bills

[Nate Burke]

I wonder how many people don't realize that by staying home all day, 
their utility usage is going to be way up.  I'm surprised I haven't 
heard more about that being covered.  Keeping the house warmer all day, 
and the TV on all costs $$$.  It's not free, like the Internet.


I'm also curious how much total energy usage has changed.  They say 
pollution is down because driving is down.  I think most heavy 
manufacturing is still up and running.  The office buildings can't 
change their HVAC programs because there are still a couple people in 
the buildings working, especially if they're all remoteing into their 
office desktop machines.  And daytime residential usage should be 
dramatically up.  Or is energy consumption based on the person, and is 
directly tied to where that person is at?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Christopher Tyler]

It seems like a convenient way to make some people you don't like to disappear. 
Gather up those that speak out or don't fit into the perfect society, put them 
all together in close proximity and let nature take care of the rest. Added 
bonus, you save money on bullets and can blame the virus if it ever leaks out.

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- Original Message -
> From: "Bill Prince" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 11:35:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

> Either way, I would not use them as an example of anything in particular.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> On 4/9/2020 9:07 AM, Robert wrote:
> 
> 
> What ever the result they were the first country outside of China to actually
> publicize documents on social distancing, testing and isolation. Who knows if
> they followed it, had good results or if they are piling bodies like
> cordwood...
> 
> On 4/9/20 7:43 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, let's use North Korea as an example of how we should be doing things...
> 
> 
> 
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> From: "Robert" [ mailto:i...@avantwireless.com |  ]
> To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 6:54:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks
> 
> But the whole world hasn't miffed this thing.. S. Korea, N. Korea, New 
> Zealand,
> Arab States, partially Japan, some of the russian federation states, all
> managed to deal with it up front. IF you got out in front of it, it was
> manageable..
> 
> On 4/8/20 3:39 PM, [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | ch...@wbmfg.com ] wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Jaime,
> At the risk of breaking Lent, you gotta steel yourself man.
> Just like learning a dear friend or relative has a terminal illness, you have 
> to
> mentally prepare for 4 more years of a “very stable genius” with the “best
> words”.
> Sorry dude... I am a Romney man...
> (But to address the link you sent, I don’t think we have done any worse than
> Italy, France or Iran... the whole world has muffed this thing).
> From: Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:30 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks
> [
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> Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store. Walked 
> in
> and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer mom then a
> skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife. Started clucking like a chicken
> when he saw me and his wife was taking a video. Was not quite calling me a
> chicken loud enough that I could clearly make out exactly what he was doing,
> but was grandstanding for his skanky woman
> Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into action. I
> literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of pork and beans
> with some comments of “you got a problem with me”. Visions of a throat punch
> were clear in my head...
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> would not be fun this evening, and moved alone. Ran into a handful of other
> chickens on the way out the store.
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?

[TJ Trout]

Peter,

I called them today, and basically they said tough luck, keep waiting
because they received hundreds of applications that each have to be
reviewed individually? And that the NTIA has to approve it?

TJ

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 12:54 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I got this radio from a client who does work in Mexico... country said
> other ..I didn't make any changes...I was scanning to find a Cambium AP on
> mountain that serves several McDonald's but I don't have clean shot at
> it...they rebooted the AP and three clients came up...I am going to hold on
> to this one since it goes up to the 6GHz range... wonder if Spectrum
> Analyzer works ...maybe I will try it
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 1:21 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> Considering that's showing firmware 2.4.3, I suspect it's just an ROW
>> radio...
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:47 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> you apparently have the new firmware, did anyone get the Ubiquiti
>>> firmware yet?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:05 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I just fired up an epmp 1000 from my roof top at home and point it at
 Franklins...looky looky

 On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:59 AM Peter Kranz via AF 
 wrote:

> Seems like dead air from the FCC since last week on 5.9 Ghz Form
> 601’s… When I talked to them last week they aimed to have the approvals
> done by Monday 4/6… I wonder if someone decided to put the brakes on this
> program.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?

[Peter Kranz via AF]

AFAIK nobody’s 601 got approved. We had a press release that looked promising, 
and when I talked to the FCC last week they said to expect approval by Monday. 
Somebody decided to halt this process.

 

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From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 1:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?

 

Peter,

 

I called them today, and basically they said tough luck, keep waiting because 
they received hundreds of applications that each have to be reviewed 
individually? And that the NTIA has to approve it?

 

TJ

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 12:54 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I got this radio from a client who does work in Mexico... country said other 
..I didn't make any changes...I was scanning to find a Cambium AP on mountain 
that serves several McDonald's but I don't have clean shot at it...they 
rebooted the AP and three clients came up...I am going to hold on to this one 
since it goes up to the 6GHz range... wonder if Spectrum Analyzer works 
...maybe I will try it

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 1:21 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Considering that's showing firmware 2.4.3, I suspect it's just an ROW radio...

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:47 PM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

you apparently have the new firmware, did anyone get the Ubiquiti firmware yet?

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:05 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I just fired up an epmp 1000 from my roof top at home and point it at 
Franklins...looky looky

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:59 AM Peter Kranz via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Seems like dead air from the FCC since last week on 5.9 Ghz Form 601’s… When I 
talked to them last week they aimed to have the approvals done by Monday 4/6… I 
wonder if someone decided to put the brakes on this program.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Why would the FCC issue a press release saying they were going to do
something and then not follow through with it?

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:01 PM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:

> AFAIK nobody’s 601 got approved. We had a press release that looked
> promising, and when I talked to the FCC last week they said to expect
> approval by Monday. Somebody decided to halt this process.
>
>
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 09, 2020 1:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?
>
>
>
> Peter,
>
>
>
> I called them today, and basically they said tough luck, keep waiting
> because they received hundreds of applications that each have to be
> reviewed individually? And that the NTIA has to approve it?
>
>
>
> TJ
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 12:54 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> I got this radio from a client who does work in Mexico... country said
> other ..I didn't make any changes...I was scanning to find a Cambium AP on
> mountain that serves several McDonald's but I don't have clean shot at
> it...they rebooted the AP and three clients came up...I am going to hold on
> to this one since it goes up to the 6GHz range... wonder if Spectrum
> Analyzer works ...maybe I will try it
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 1:21 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> Considering that's showing firmware 2.4.3, I suspect it's just an ROW
> radio...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:47 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> you apparently have the new firmware, did anyone get the Ubiquiti firmware
> yet?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:05 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> I just fired up an epmp 1000 from my roof top at home and point it at
> Franklins...looky looky
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:59 AM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:
>
> Seems like dead air from the FCC since last week on 5.9 Ghz Form 601’s…
> When I talked to them last week they aimed to have the approvals done by
> Monday 4/6… I wonder if someone decided to put the brakes on this program.
>
>
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?

[Mike Meluskey]

We have been invoiced $70 by the FCC.  This is for the STA we applied 
for as a WISPA group effort led by Steve Coran.


On 9 Apr 2020, at 17:08, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


Why would the FCC issue a press release saying they were going to do
something and then not follow through with it?

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:01 PM Peter Kranz via AF  
wrote:



AFAIK nobody’s 601 got approved. We had a press release that looked
promising, and when I talked to the FCC last week they said to expect
approval by Monday. Somebody decided to halt this process.



Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
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Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com



*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
*Sent:* Thursday, April 09, 2020 1:54 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?



Peter,



I called them today, and basically they said tough luck, keep waiting
because they received hundreds of applications that each have to be
reviewed individually? And that the NTIA has to approve it?



TJ



On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 12:54 PM Jaime Solorza 


wrote:

I got this radio from a client who does work in Mexico... country 
said
other ..I didn't make any changes...I was scanning to find a Cambium 
AP on
mountain that serves several McDonald's but I don't have clean shot 
at
it...they rebooted the AP and three clients came up...I am going to 
hold on

to this one since it goes up to the 6GHz range... wonder if Spectrum
Analyzer works ...maybe I will try it



On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 1:21 PM Mathew Howard  
wrote:


Considering that's showing firmware 2.4.3, I suspect it's just an ROW
radio...



On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:47 PM Kurt Fankhauser 


wrote:

you apparently have the new firmware, did anyone get the Ubiquiti 
firmware

yet?



On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:05 PM Jaime Solorza 


wrote:

I just fired up an epmp 1000 from my roof top at home and point it at
Franklins...looky looky



On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:59 AM Peter Kranz via AF  
wrote:


Seems like dead air from the FCC since last week on 5.9 Ghz Form 
601’s…
When I talked to them last week they aimed to have the approvals done 
by
Monday 4/6… I wonder if someone decided to put the brakes on this 
program.




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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?

[Mark Radabaugh]

Deep state :-)

It’s a large bureaucracy.   Steve pulled off a coup with support from the top, 
now it’s the bureaucrats turn to retaliate.

Mark

> On Apr 9, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> Why would the FCC issue a press release saying they were going to do 
> something and then not follow through with it?
> 
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:01 PM Peter Kranz via AF  > wrote:
> AFAIK nobody’s 601 got approved. We had a press release that looked 
> promising, and when I talked to the FCC last week they said to expect 
> approval by Monday. Somebody decided to halt this process.
> 
>  
> 
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of TJ Trout
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 1:54 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?
> 
>  
> 
> Peter,
> 
>  
> 
> I called them today, and basically they said tough luck, keep waiting because 
> they received hundreds of applications that each have to be reviewed 
> individually? And that the NTIA has to approve it?
> 
>  
> 
> TJ
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 12:54 PM Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
> 
> I got this radio from a client who does work in Mexico... country said other 
> ..I didn't make any changes...I was scanning to find a Cambium AP on mountain 
> that serves several McDonald's but I don't have clean shot at it...they 
> rebooted the AP and three clients came up...I am going to hold on to this one 
> since it goes up to the 6GHz range... wonder if Spectrum Analyzer works 
> ...maybe I will try it
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 1:21 PM Mathew Howard  > wrote:
> 
> Considering that's showing firmware 2.4.3, I suspect it's just an ROW radio...
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:47 PM Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:
> 
> you apparently have the new firmware, did anyone get the Ubiquiti firmware 
> yet?
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:05 PM Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
> 
> I just fired up an epmp 1000 from my roof top at home and point it at 
> Franklins...looky looky
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:59 AM Peter Kranz via AF  > wrote:
> 
> Seems like dead air from the FCC since last week on 5.9 Ghz Form 601’s… When 
> I talked to them last week they aimed to have the approvals done by Monday 
> 4/6… I wonder if someone decided to put the brakes on this program.
> 
>  
> 
> Peter Kranz
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?

[Peter Kranz via AF]

I was invoiced and paid the $70 as well.. but until your individual 601 is 
granted the STA is not usable.

 

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Meluskey
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 2:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?

 

We have been invoiced $70 by the FCC. This is for the STA we applied for as a 
WISPA group effort led by Steve Coran.

On 9 Apr 2020, at 17:08, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

Why would the FCC issue a press release saying they were going to do something 
and then not follow through with it?

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:01 PM Peter Kranz via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

AFAIK nobody’s 601 got approved. We had a press release that looked promising, 
and when I talked to the FCC last week they said to expect approval by Monday. 
Somebody decided to halt this process.

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 1:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?

 

Peter,

 

I called them today, and basically they said tough luck, keep waiting because 
they received hundreds of applications that each have to be reviewed 
individually? And that the NTIA has to approve it?

 

TJ

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 12:54 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I got this radio from a client who does work in Mexico... country said other 
..I didn't make any changes...I was scanning to find a Cambium AP on mountain 
that serves several McDonald's but I don't have clean shot at it...they 
rebooted the AP and three clients came up...I am going to hold on to this one 
since it goes up to the 6GHz range... wonder if Spectrum Analyzer works 
...maybe I will try it

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 1:21 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Considering that's showing firmware 2.4.3, I suspect it's just an ROW radio...

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:47 PM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

you apparently have the new firmware, did anyone get the Ubiquiti firmware yet?

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:05 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I just fired up an epmp 1000 from my roof top at home and point it at 
Franklins...looky looky

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:59 AM Peter Kranz via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Seems like dead air from the FCC since last week on 5.9 Ghz Form 601’s… When I 
talked to them last week they aimed to have the approvals done by Monday 4/6… I 
wonder if someone decided to put the brakes on this program.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?

[Tim Hardy]

The FCC has a process that they must go through.  Each application must go
through a number of steps including IRAC review and you can see exactly
where the application stands by going into ULS, searching for the file
number and clicking on the History Tab.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:14 PM Mike Meluskey  wrote:

> We have been invoiced $70 by the FCC. This is for the STA we applied for
> as a WISPA group effort led by Steve Coran.
>
> On 9 Apr 2020, at 17:08, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
> Why would the FCC issue a press release saying they were going to do
> something and then not follow through with it?
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:01 PM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:
>
>> AFAIK nobody’s 601 got approved. We had a press release that looked
>> promising, and when I talked to the FCC last week they said to expect
>> approval by Monday. Somebody decided to halt this process.
>>
>>
>>
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>> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 09, 2020 1:54 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 FCC Form 601/STA?
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>>
>>
>> I called them today, and basically they said tough luck, keep waiting
>> because they received hundreds of applications that each have to be
>> reviewed individually? And that the NTIA has to approve it?
>>
>>
>>
>> TJ
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 12:54 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I got this radio from a client who does work in Mexico... country said
>> other ..I didn't make any changes...I was scanning to find a Cambium AP on
>> mountain that serves several McDonald's but I don't have clean shot at
>> it...they rebooted the AP and three clients came up...I am going to hold on
>> to this one since it goes up to the 6GHz range... wonder if Spectrum
>> Analyzer works ...maybe I will try it
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 1:21 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>> Considering that's showing firmware 2.4.3, I suspect it's just an ROW
>> radio...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:47 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> you apparently have the new firmware, did anyone get the Ubiquiti
>> firmware yet?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:05 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I just fired up an epmp 1000 from my roof top at home and point it at
>> Franklins...looky looky
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:59 AM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:
>>
>> Seems like dead air from the FCC since last week on 5.9 Ghz Form 601’s…
>> When I talked to them last week they aimed to have the approvals done by
>> Monday 4/6… I wonder if someone decided to put the brakes on this program.
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Kranz
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Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

[Steve Jones]

https://www.gmesupply.com/trupulse-200-laser-rangefinder
this does the triangulation for height if there is an obstuction below your
mount point, you just need to shoot to a spot thats horizontal to thebase
ground level. We ordered a new one because it has bluetooth for the
reporting instead of the datacable. Ive had my own for a year or two, the
scope is amazing, i use it for LOS siting all the time.

I also bought this for myself because ive held my phone to my rangefinder
to get pictures, they look good but its a pita with only 2 hands
  https://www.gmesupply.com/laser-technology-universal-phone-adapter


With CBRS accuracy requirements (POP side, not customer) its almost silly
not to use something like this to make sure your numbers are accurate. We
are doing th enetwork in CNHeat, so it really matters that we get the best
output data we can. same with tower coverage, LinkPlanner, Radiomobile, etc



On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:20 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Build something that works just as well and charge $2000 for it.  Make
> everyone super happy.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
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>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 6:50 PM  wrote:
>
>> Someday I am going to build some of my ideas for this.
>>
>> If you put a GPS antenna away from the tower and one on the tower, the
>> long baseline will let you know the bearing between the two with great
>> accuracy.  They could talk and let the tower unit know what the azimuth of
>> the line between them is.
>>
>> Then you could aim a scope with an angular encoder at the ground unit, or
>> it could have a strobe light with a omni lens camera on the tower to let it
>> know where it is.  I even considered dopplar UHF antennas on the tower to
>> get the position of the ground unit.
>>
>> Then it is a simple thing to know which direction you are aiming.
>> Properly done it could be a $300 item instead of a $3000-$5000 item.  Just
>> not sure which method to use to get the relative direction of the ground
>> unit...
>>
>> A small rifle scope on an encoder would work really well.
>>
>> *From:* Tushar Patel
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2020 4:41 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?
>>
>>
>> Time has come for us to get a little more accuracy on our sector antennas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any input on the following product?
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.multiwavesensors.com/antenna-alignment/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tushar
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Re: [AFMUG] OT . Picadillo breakfast

[Steve Jones]

Imma need to have that.

Also, my guts hate you and your posting all those jalapenos. I knew better,
but I have been buying them and slicing them into everything again

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Re: [AFMUG] OT . Picadillo breakfast

[Jaime Solorza]

Tecate and Jalapenosyou will be healthy

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 4:09 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Imma need to have that.
>
> Also, my guts hate you and your posting all those jalapenos. I knew
> better, but I have been buying them and slicing them into everything again
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...new toy

[Chuck McCown]

Very interested in the outcome.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
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[AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better
than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in
the ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.

What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few
months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.
 Still no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of
the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.
 Cooking beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green
chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on and on.

My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling ingredients:
 "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt, Dehydrated Onion,
Spices,"

Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at
various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how
they're cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient
catchall of "Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my
bean filling to taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or
tacos.

My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured it
out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.

If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it would
be much appreciated.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT...new toy

[Nate Burke]

Any idea what Frequency they run on?  I had an old set of analog TV 
repeaters, they were in 2.4  worked perfect until I turned the microwave 
on.


On 4/9/2020 5:51 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Let's see how well it works




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
We just use black beans out of the can. We will season them with
  green chilies, cayenne, and garlic. Choose your own heat. I also
  like to add rice that we cook with a little bullion. 

bp



On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian
  (List Account) wrote:


  
  
Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as
  good or better than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually
  starting with a recipe which is in the ballpark, and then
  tweaking it until it's to my liking.  


What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on
  here a few months ago for pointers, and have since then tried
  a couple of times.   Still no luck.  Not even close. I've
  tried to season refried beans out of the can.   I've tried
  Canned beans of various types in the food processor.   Cooking
  beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the
  green chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on
  and on.


My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of
  filling ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green
  Chilies, Salt, Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"  



Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all
  of those at various times, there has to be something I'm just
  missing.   Like how they're cooked, or the proportions, or
  something hiding in the ingredient catchall of "Spices".. And
  no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my bean filling to
  taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or
  tacos.


My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell
  has figured it out either...although a lot of "authentic"
  mexican restaurants have.


If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more
  pointers,  it would be much appreciated.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

It does occur to me now that I don't remember the specifics of my Canned
bean experiments.   I also just recently realized that there are drastic
differences between the way they prepare the beans which go in the can.
 Such as Red Beans seem to always have sugar added.

I might have to retry these with just some black beans...


On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> We just use black beans out of the can. We will season them with green
> chilies, cayenne, and garlic. Choose your own heat. I also like to add rice
> that we cook with a little bullion.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better
> than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in
> the ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.
>
> What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few
> months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.
>  Still no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of
> the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.
>  Cooking beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green
> chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on and on.
>
> My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling
> ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt,
> Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"
>
> Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at
> various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how
> they're cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient
> catchall of "Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my
> bean filling to taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or
> tacos.
>
> My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured it
> out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.
>
> If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it
> would be much appreciated.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...new toy

[Jaime Solorza]

Not great so far...I got a picture and it froze... transmitter is inside
house in my bedroommy Batcave is other end of house...mine is a real
solidly built home...no sheet rock in it...brick, cinder block and meshed
gypsum inside.  Walls are thick very well insulated...even the cable
guys had hard time drilling through it with standard 12 " bit.
I will reposition the transmitter near the window and see if it improves
any.
A newer sheet rock home would probably be okay.
More to come..

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:08 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Very interested in the outcome.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Let's see how well it works
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Jaime Solorza]

I will share recipe in a bit..no can beans please!!!

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> We just use black beans out of the can. We will season them with green
> chilies, cayenne, and garlic. Choose your own heat. I also like to add rice
> that we cook with a little bullion.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better
> than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in
> the ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.
>
> What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few
> months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.
>  Still no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of
> the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.
>  Cooking beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green
> chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on and on.
>
> My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling
> ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt,
> Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"
>
> Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at
> various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how
> they're cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient
> catchall of "Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my
> bean filling to taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or
> tacos.
>
> My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured it
> out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.
>
> If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it
> would be much appreciated.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...new toy

[Jaime Solorza]

Receive signal in Batcave

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:08 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Very interested in the outcome.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> >
> > 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[David Sovereen via AF]

I have tried lots of different canned refried beans brands as I eat lots of 
refried beans… bean tostadas, beans in my fajitas, bean burritos, etc.  In my 
opinion, La Preferida Vegetarian Refried Beans are the best; usually found in 
the Mexican food section.  I put them in a bowl, add some water to thin them 
out (I prefer them less thick than they are out of the can), and microwave 
them.  The flavor and texture is excellent.

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> On Apr 9, 2020, at 7:43 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> It does occur to me now that I don't remember the specifics of my Canned bean 
> experiments.   I also just recently realized that there are drastic 
> differences between the way they prepare the beans which go in the can.   
> Such as Red Beans seem to always have sugar added.
> 
> I might have to retry these with just some black beans...
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:34 PM Bill Prince  > wrote:
> We just use black beans out of the can. We will season them with green 
> chilies, cayenne, and garlic. Choose your own heat. I also like to add rice 
> that we cook with a little bullion. 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>> Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better 
>> than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in 
>> the ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.  
>> 
>> What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few 
>> months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.   
>> Still no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of 
>> the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.   
>> Cooking beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green 
>> chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on and on.
>> 
>> My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling ingredients:  
>> "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt, Dehydrated Onion, 
>> Spices,"  
>> 
>> Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at 
>> various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how 
>> they're cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient 
>> catchall of "Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my 
>> bean filling to taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or 
>> tacos.
>> 
>> My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured it 
>> out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.
>> 
>> If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it would 
>> be much appreciated.
>> 
>> -- 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Carlos Alcantar]

lard is what your missing



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From: AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 4:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

I will share recipe in a bit..no can beans please!!!

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:34 PM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We just use black beans out of the can. We will season them with green chilies, 
cayenne, and garlic. Choose your own heat. I also like to add rice that we cook 
with a little bullion.

bp




On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better than 
what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in the 
ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.

What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few months 
ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.   Still no luck. 
 Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of the can.   I've 
tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.   Cooking beans and 
then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green chilis in them (this 
was closest so far). And on and on and on.

My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling ingredients:  
"Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt, Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"

Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at various 
times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how they're cooked, 
or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient catchall of 
"Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my bean filling to 
taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or tacos.

My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured it out 
either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.

If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it would be 
much appreciated.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT...new toy

[Bill Prince]

  
  
You should try a more narrow channel, and switch to 2.4 GHz. 5
  GHz has no penetrating power; especially with a wide channel.


bp



On 4/9/2020 4:52 PM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:


  
  Uses 40 MHz channel at 5805 MHz...I can track with
my WiFi Analyser on my Motorola phone.
  
  
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:08 PM
  Chuck McCown  wrote:

Very
  interested in the outcome.
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
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  wrote:
  > 
  > 
  > Let's see how well it works
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[chuck]

Yeah, the real stuff is pretty simple.  Beans, lard, salt.  Maybe a few spices. 
 

From: Carlos Alcantar 
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?


lard is what your missing


Carlos Alcantar

Race Communications / Race Team Member 

http://www.race.com






From: AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 4:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling? 

I will share recipe in a bit..no can beans please!!!

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  We just use black beans out of the can. We will season them with green 
chilies, cayenne, and garlic. Choose your own heat. I also like to add rice 
that we cook with a little bullion. 


bp


On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better 
than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in the 
ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.  

What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few 
months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.   Still 
no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of the can.   
I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.   Cooking beans 
and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green chilis in them 
(this was closest so far). And on and on and on.

My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling ingredients: 
 "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt, Dehydrated Onion, Spices," 
 


Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at 
various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how they're 
cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient catchall of 
"Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my bean filling to 
taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or tacos.

My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured it 
out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.

If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it would 
be much appreciated.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT...new toy

[Jaime Solorza]

Not sure i can do that but of course I have haven't read the instructions
yet.. that's kind of low brow..oh well

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 6:01 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> You should try a more narrow channel, and switch to 2.4 GHz. 5 GHz has no
> penetrating power; especially with a wide channel.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/9/2020 4:52 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Uses 40 MHz channel at 5805 MHz...I can track with my WiFi Analyser on my
> Motorola phone.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:08 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Very interested in the outcome.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > Let's see how well it works
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I've tried that as well.   I think it's probably the 'few spices', and
something subtle I'm missing.   Or I'm cooking the beans wrong, although
I'm not sure how that could be.

A couple non-related examples about the subtle ingredients:French onion
soup needs a touch of worcestershire sauce.   Not enough that you'd think
it would matter, or even enough to recognize, but without it,  just isn't
very good.Same with any potato corn soup - it typically needs a touch
of tabasco or other hot sauce.   Again, not enough to even know what what
is in there, like a drop or two in a bowl is enough.



On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 6:17 PM  wrote:

> Yeah, the real stuff is pretty simple.  Beans, lard, salt.  Maybe a few
> spices.
>
> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:58 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>
>
> lard is what your missing
>
>
>
> Carlos Alcantar
>
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>
> http://www.race.com
>
> --
> *From:* AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 4:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>
> I will share recipe in a bit..no can beans please!!!
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> We just use black beans out of the can. We will season them with green
> chilies, cayenne, and garlic. Choose your own heat. I also like to add rice
> that we cook with a little bullion.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better
> than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in
> the ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.
>
> What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few
> months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.
> Still no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of
> the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food
> processor.   Cooking beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans
> with the green chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on and
> on.
>
> My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling
> ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt,
> Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"
>
> Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at
> various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how
> they're cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient
> catchall of "Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my
> bean filling to taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or
> tacos.
>
> My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured it
> out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.
>
> If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it
> would be much appreciated.
>
> --
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Jason McKemie]

Yes, lard is essential.

On Thursday, April 9, 2020, Carlos Alcantar  wrote:

>
> lard is what your missing
>
>
> Carlos Alcantar
>
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>
> http://www.race.com
>
> --
> *From:* AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 4:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>
> I will share recipe in a bit..no can beans please!!!
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> We just use black beans out of the can. We will season them with green
> chilies, cayenne, and garlic. Choose your own heat. I also like to add rice
> that we cook with a little bullion.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better
> than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in
> the ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.
>
> What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few
> months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.
>  Still no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of
> the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.
>  Cooking beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green
> chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on and on.
>
> My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling
> ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt,
> Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"
>
> Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at
> various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how
> they're cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient
> catchall of "Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my
> bean filling to taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or
> tacos.
>
> My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured it
> out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.
>
> If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it
> would be much appreciated.
>
> --
> - Forrest
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Ken Hohhof]

I noticed the shortening in the Jiffy apple cinnamon mix I made with dinner is 
lard.  Use by date was 3 months ago.  I was a bit reticent given the lard, but 
they tasted fine.

 

How many vegetarians think lard comes from plants?  I don’t know, with all the 
plant meat and plant milk, maybe they’ll come out with plant lard.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

 

Yes, lard is essential.

On Thursday, April 9, 2020, Carlos Alcantar mailto:car...@race.com> > wrote:

 

lard is what your missing

 

 

Carlos Alcantar

Race Communications / Race Team Member 

  http://www.race.com

 

  _  

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 4:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling? 

 

I will share recipe in a bit..no can beans please!!!

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:34 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We just use black beans out of the can. We will season them with green chilies, 
cayenne, and garlic. Choose your own heat. I also like to add rice that we cook 
with a little bullion. 

bp

 

On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better than 
what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in the 
ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.  

 

What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few months 
ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.   Still no luck. 
 Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of the can.   I've 
tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.   Cooking beans and 
then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green chilis in them (this 
was closest so far). And on and on and on.

 

My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling ingredients:  
"Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt, Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"  

 

Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at various 
times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how they're cooked, 
or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient catchall of 
"Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my bean filling to 
taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or tacos.

 

My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured it out 
either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.

 

If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it would be 
much appreciated.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Steve Jones]

Is shortening lard?

Can bacon. Grease be substituted

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 8:59 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I noticed the shortening in the Jiffy apple cinnamon mix I made with
> dinner is lard.  Use by date was 3 months ago.  I was a bit reticent given
> the lard, but they tasted fine.
>
>
>
> How many vegetarians think lard comes from plants?  I don’t know, with all
> the plant meat and plant milk, maybe they’ll come out with plant lard.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:21 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>
>
>
> Yes, lard is essential.
>
> On Thursday, April 9, 2020, Carlos Alcantar  wrote:
>
>
>
> lard is what your missing
>
>
>
>
>
> Carlos Alcantar
>
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>
> http://www.race.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 4:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>
>
>
> I will share recipe in a bit..no can beans please!!!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> We just use black beans out of the can. We will season them with green
> chilies, cayenne, and garlic. Choose your own heat. I also like to add rice
> that we cook with a little bullion.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better
> than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in
> the ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.
>
>
>
> What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few
> months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.
>  Still no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of
> the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.
>  Cooking beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green
> chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on and on.
>
>
>
> My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling
> ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt,
> Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"
>
>
>
> Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at
> various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how
> they're cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient
> catchall of "Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my
> bean filling to taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or
> tacos.
>
>
>
> My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured it
> out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.
>
>
>
> If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it
> would be much appreciated.
>
>
>
> --
>
> - Forrest
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Utility bills

[Steve Jones]

I dont want to see my electric bill

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 3:29 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I wonder how many people don't realize that by staying home all day,
> their utility usage is going to be way up.  I'm surprised I haven't
> heard more about that being covered.  Keeping the house warmer all day,
> and the TV on all costs $$$.  It's not free, like the Internet.
>
> I'm also curious how much total energy usage has changed.  They say
> pollution is down because driving is down.  I think most heavy
> manufacturing is still up and running.  The office buildings can't
> change their HVAC programs because there are still a couple people in
> the buildings working, especially if they're all remoteing into their
> office desktop machines.  And daytime residential usage should be
> dramatically up.  Or is energy consumption based on the person, and is
> directly tied to where that person is at?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Ken Hohhof]

Well, you know what Newton Minow said about television.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:52 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

 

Trials arent even in efficacy stage.

Heart damage is virtually nil

 

They confirmed it at the prison here today. Gotta love a governor that spend 
his time complaining about the federal level and ignored his state 
responsibilities, like hey, maybe we dont ship symptomatic inmates from prison 
to prison during a pandemic. Half the idoc COs have damaged livers, kidneys and 
heart's between the rampant cocaine use and steroid abuse. That wont end well 
with afscme. 

The sister in law works at a nursing home, 3 of the patients were in direct 
personal contact with 3 of the new cases, so they gave staff masks to wear when 
they're not at work, so as not to infect the public.

 

Morons are running the show everywhere, this didnt have to become a thing. All 
because the tv told people they needed toilet paper

 

At least the home for developmentally disabled that my sister lives in locked 
their doors. Nobody in or out. If we take my sister out for any reason, she 
cant come back. I'm glad adults are running that show.

 

 

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 7:27 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yeah. You can try some of that chloroquine the COW is so fond of. Don't worry, 
it doesn't cause heart damage in everyone.

 

bp

 

On 4/9/2020 5:20 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Here you go Steve, you can volunteer for a “human challenge trial”.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/4/9/21209593/coronavirus-vaccine-human-trials-explained

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

 

My towns 5 bed ICU has 4 COVID patients in it. We are a bandaid station. We 
have a prison with known infections, and 800 guards in the community. Our jail 
houses Cook County overflow for revenue. We are a resting location for 
interstate drug mules. Im expecting we are about to have a sneezandpoop here 
soon.

 

Stuff like this is why I dont understand why they consider new york cresting to 
be a national flattening of the curve. Podunk illinois is just starting to see 
it, and we are bedroom to bigger towns. Its just a matter of time til we 
typhoid mary those cities because "we live in the country, it wont get us"

 

Ive had serious talks with the boss about just going and getting exposed at one 
of the home quarantined positives around here, sit in my camper for a couple 
weeks, drink hot soup and water, live on a nebulizer and hope i dont croak out. 
If I were in my 20s I would have done this already. Better to schedule a flu 
than have it smack you in the face mid build and take out the whole staff or 
worse, not know and bring it home to the little ones.

 

 

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 2:24 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

There are multiple epidemics within the pandemic. Listened to a story yesterday 
that there are at least 3 different epidemics within California; Los Angeles, 
Sacramento, and San Francisco Bay Area. Not sure why San Diego was excluded, 
unless it was perhaps included within Los Angeles (since they are relatively 
close together).

I'm sure that is replicated throughout the country. 

Plus there is now confirmation that the coronavirus in New York was traced to 
Europe, and (most of) the strains in California have been traced to Wuhan. I 
don't know what qualifies as a strain, or lineage versus a whole new virus, but 
there must be some dividing line.

 

bp

 

On 4/9/2020 12:17 PM, Robert wrote:

They are telling us around here that we won't peak until mid May.   There is 
still so much population to run through I don't see how they can model this 
with the type of behavior I am personally witnessing..

On 4/9/20 10:47 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

Yes, hence flattening the curve - I was responding to Steve.  

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:42 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:



 

Log scale.  

 

From: Carl Peterson 

Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:31 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

 

Look at a graph with a logarithmic scale.  IMHO it is the best way to visualize 
anything with exponential growth.   

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:59 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the daily deaths will climb as the new infections drop. 

 

I still dont understand how they consider it a flattened curve for the country 
when we still have major cities that havent even spiked yet

 

Tin foil hat on: How has the homeless population not been ravaged by this?

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:56 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Not so sure about that.

 



bp

 

On 4/9/2020 7:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Ken Hohhof]

I think lard is basically fat.  To my mom, shortening was Crisco.  To my 
grandmother, shortening was lard.  If I remember right, lard is pig fat, tallow 
is beef fat.

 

But bacon grease should be fine.  In fact, as pig fat, bacon grease IS lard.  
Your biscuits might taste like bacon, but what’s wrong with that?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

 

Is shortening lard?

 

Can bacon. Grease be substituted

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 8:59 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I noticed the shortening in the Jiffy apple cinnamon mix I made with dinner is 
lard.  Use by date was 3 months ago.  I was a bit reticent given the lard, but 
they tasted fine.

 

How many vegetarians think lard comes from plants?  I don’t know, with all the 
plant meat and plant milk, maybe they’ll come out with plant lard.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

 

Yes, lard is essential.

On Thursday, April 9, 2020, Carlos Alcantar mailto:car...@race.com> > wrote:

 

lard is what your missing

 

 

Carlos Alcantar

Race Communications / Race Team Member 

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of Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 4:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling? 

 

I will share recipe in a bit..no can beans please!!!

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:34 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We just use black beans out of the can. We will season them with green chilies, 
cayenne, and garlic. Choose your own heat. I also like to add rice that we cook 
with a little bullion. 

bp

 

On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better than 
what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in the 
ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.  

 

What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few months 
ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.   Still no luck. 
 Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of the can.   I've 
tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.   Cooking beans and 
then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green chilis in them (this 
was closest so far). And on and on and on.

 

My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling ingredients:  
"Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt, Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"  

 

Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at various 
times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how they're cooked, 
or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient catchall of 
"Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my bean filling to 
taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or tacos.

 

My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured it out 
either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.

 

If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it would be 
much appreciated.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Utility bills

[Adam Moffett]

My own utility bills won't be different.  Kids are home schooled so we 
kept the heat up at 66 all day anyway.  It drops to 60 when people 
should be in bed under their blankets.  I've spent more on home 
improvement.  Lowes and Home Depot both deliver by the way, and my 
weekends are not taken up by kids birthday parties, soccer games, etc.  
So I've been catching up on house projects. Meanwhile I've spent next to 
nothing on luxuries, restaurants, or entertainment.  My personal 
financials before and after are probably a wash.  .though perhaps 
I'm atypical.


Here's one prediction: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/

About 2/3 of the way down: ""The economic slowdown and stay-at-home 
orders are likely to affect U.S. electricity consumption over the next 
few months. EIA expects the largest impact will occur in the commercial 
sector where forecast retail sales of electricity fall by 4.7% in 2020 
due to the closure of many businesses. Similarly, EIA expects retail 
sales of electricity to the industrial sector will fall by 4.2% in 2020 
as many factories cut back production. Forecast U.S. sales of 
electricity to the residential sector fall by 0.8% in 2020, as reduced 
power usage resulting from milder winter and summer weather is offset by 
increased household electricity consumption as much of the population 
stays at home.""


On 4/9/2020 4:28 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
I wonder how many people don't realize that by staying home all day, 
their utility usage is going to be way up.  I'm surprised I haven't 
heard more about that being covered.  Keeping the house warmer all 
day, and the TV on all costs $$$.  It's not free, like the Internet.


I'm also curious how much total energy usage has changed.  They say 
pollution is down because driving is down.  I think most heavy 
manufacturing is still up and running.  The office buildings can't 
change their HVAC programs because there are still a couple people in 
the buildings working, especially if they're all remoteing into their 
office desktop machines.  And daytime residential usage should be 
dramatically up.  Or is energy consumption based on the person, and is 
directly tied to where that person is at?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Adam Moffett]

Yes.

Pig fat is lard.  Bacon grease is pig fat, but salt and smoke flavored.  
I have, in fact, made biscuits with bacon grease.  They taste freakin 
awesome.  If you do car camping you cook your bacon first, the use some 
of the oil for biscuits, and then for frying your flapjacks and eggs and 
hash.  Then hopefully you hike 20 miles to burn all that off.  Or you 
sit and drink beer all day and get fat, there's more than one style of 
camping and I'm not here to judge.


Crisco shortening is made from vegetable oil.  I'm not sure how they 
make it into a solid at room temperature.  I seem to think that's what 
"hydrogenating" does, but I'm fuzzy on that.  In any case it's a cheaper 
substitute for animal fat in cooking.  Lard is the OG cooking oil.



On 4/9/2020 11:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I think lard is basically fat.  To my mom, shortening was Crisco.  To 
my grandmother, shortening was lard.  If I remember right, lard is pig 
fat, tallow is beef fat.


But bacon grease should be fine.  In fact, as pig fat, bacon grease IS 
lard.  Your biscuits might taste like bacon, but what’s wrong with that?


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:21 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

Is shortening lard?

Can bacon. Grease be substituted

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 8:59 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


I noticed the shortening in the Jiffy apple cinnamon mix I made
with dinner is lard.  Use by date was 3 months ago.  I was a bit
reticent given the lard, but they tasted fine.

How many vegetarians think lard comes from plants?  I don’t know,
with all the plant meat and plant milk, maybe they’ll come out
with plant lard.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:21 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

Yes, lard is essential.

On Thursday, April 9, 2020, Carlos Alcantar mailto:car...@race.com>> wrote:

lard is what your missing

Carlos Alcantar

Race Communications / Race Team Member

http://www.race.com 



*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
*Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 4:44 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

I will share recipe in a bit..no can beans please!!!

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:34 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We just use black beans out of the can. We will season
them with green chilies, cayenne, and garlic. Choose your
own heat. I also like to add rice that we cook with a
little bullion.

bp



  


On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are
as good or better than what I can get elsewhere.
 Usually starting with a recipe which is in the
ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.

What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I
asked on here a few months ago for pointers, and have
since then tried a couple of times.  Still no luck. 
Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out
of the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types
in the food processor.   Cooking beans and then adding
green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green chilis in
them (this was closest so far). And on and on and on.

My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of
filling ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese,
Green Chilies, Salt, Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"

Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of
all of those at various times, there has to be
something I'm just missing.   Like how they're cooked,
or the proportions, or something hiding in the
ingredient catchall of "Spices".. And no it isn't
chili powder or cumin... I want my bean filling to
taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like
chili or tacos.

My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco
Hell has figured it out either...although a lot of
"authentic" mexican restaurants have.

If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Steve Jones]

I keep bacon grease in a jar on the stove, use it all the time. Never new
it was smoked salty lard though.

Recently there was a brand of bacon called Smithfield. The bacon itself is
pretty crummy. But there's something about their cure, the two times I
added that grease to the can it went rancid within a day or so. Such a
waste to lose a whole can of gods gift

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:30 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Yes.
>
> Pig fat is lard.  Bacon grease is pig fat, but salt and smoke flavored.  I
> have, in fact, made biscuits with bacon grease.  They taste freakin
> awesome.  If you do car camping you cook your bacon first, the use some of
> the oil for biscuits, and then for frying your flapjacks and eggs and
> hash.  Then hopefully you hike 20 miles to burn all that off.  Or you sit
> and drink beer all day and get fat, there's more than one style of camping
> and I'm not here to judge.
>
> Crisco shortening is made from vegetable oil.  I'm not sure how they make
> it into a solid at room temperature.  I seem to think that's what
> "hydrogenating" does, but I'm fuzzy on that.  In any case it's a cheaper
> substitute for animal fat in cooking.  Lard is the OG cooking oil.
>
>
> On 4/9/2020 11:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I think lard is basically fat.  To my mom, shortening was Crisco.  To my
> grandmother, shortening was lard.  If I remember right, lard is pig fat,
> tallow is beef fat.
>
>
>
> But bacon grease should be fine.  In fact, as pig fat, bacon grease IS
> lard.  Your biscuits might taste like bacon, but what’s wrong with that?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:21 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>
>
>
> Is shortening lard?
>
>
>
> Can bacon. Grease be substituted
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 8:59 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I noticed the shortening in the Jiffy apple cinnamon mix I made with
> dinner is lard.  Use by date was 3 months ago.  I was a bit reticent given
> the lard, but they tasted fine.
>
>
>
> How many vegetarians think lard comes from plants?  I don’t know, with all
> the plant meat and plant milk, maybe they’ll come out with plant lard.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:21 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>
>
>
> Yes, lard is essential.
>
> On Thursday, April 9, 2020, Carlos Alcantar  wrote:
>
>
>
> lard is what your missing
>
>
>
>
>
> Carlos Alcantar
>
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>
> http://www.race.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 4:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>
>
>
> I will share recipe in a bit..no can beans please!!!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> We just use black beans out of the can. We will season them with green
> chilies, cayenne, and garlic. Choose your own heat. I also like to add rice
> that we cook with a little bullion.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better
> than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in
> the ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.
>
>
>
> What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few
> months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.
>  Still no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of
> the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.
>  Cooking beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green
> chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on and on.
>
>
>
> My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling
> ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt,
> Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"
>
>
>
> Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at
> various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how
> they're cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient
> catchall of "Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my
> bean filling to taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or
> tacos.
>
>
>
> My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured it
> out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.
>
>
>
> If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it
> would be much appreciated.
>
>
>
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>
> - Forrest
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Jaime Solorza]

Buy a bag of pinto beans.  Clean them...put them is a crock pot with water,
salt and clove of garlic.  You will see when they are cooked...you can eat
them with muenster cheese and Jalapenos...to fry them, put them in a pan
with a little bit of oil and smash them. To spice it up, cook some chorizo
with it and cheese...
Enjoy...and use real tortillas, corn or flour...

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:16 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better
> than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in
> the ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.
>
> What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few
> months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.
>  Still no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of
> the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.
>  Cooking beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green
> chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on and on.
>
> My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling
> ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt,
> Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"
>
> Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at
> various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how
> they're cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient
> catchall of "Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my
> bean filling to taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or
> tacos.
>
> My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured it
> out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.
>
> If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it
> would be much appreciated.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

hmmm..  clove of garlic.   maybe that's the secret.

Crock pot is my preferred way to cook beans.Many of the experiments
I've done in cooking from raw have been beans plus stuff in a crockpot.
Where stuff has been things like chilis.  I also make perfectly serviceable
chili con Carne from scratch (won a chili cook-off one year in fact ), also
in the crockpot.  Just haven't figured out this style of beans yet, but it
hasn't been without trying.

I grew up in a family where garlic wasn't a typical ingredient and I've
never really been a fan of strong garlic flavors, so it's an ingredient I
overlook too often unless I'm following a recipe or know for a fact that it
belongs.   I can't say that I've ever thrown a clove of garlic in while
attempting the beans so this is something to try.




On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:52 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Buy a bag of pinto beans.  Clean them...put them is a crock pot with
> water, salt and clove of garlic.  You will see when they are cooked...you
> can eat them with muenster cheese and Jalapenos...to fry them, put them in
> a pan with a little bit of oil and smash them. To spice it up, cook some
> chorizo with it and cheese...
> Enjoy...and use real tortillas, corn or flour...
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:16 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better
>> than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in
>> the ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.
>>
>> What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few
>> months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.
>>  Still no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of
>> the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.
>>  Cooking beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green
>> chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on and on.
>>
>> My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling
>> ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt,
>> Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"
>>
>> Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at
>> various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how
>> they're cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient
>> catchall of "Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my
>> bean filling to taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or
>> tacos.
>>
>> My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured
>> it out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.
>>
>> If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it
>> would be much appreciated.
>>
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