Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

So...

Costco here looks like a prepper warehouse.   The entire back wall is paper
towels/toilet paper which is pretty typical, although it has also spilled
down both sides of the warehouse and all the empty spots seem to have a
case of paper towels or toilet paper in it.  I'm guessing someone at costco
corporate figured this out months ago and has started sending this stuff to
all the warehouses.   We've just avoided the hysteria so far, but all it's
going to take is a few cases in montana and I'm sure that they will sell
all of this and more.

Still plenty of water everywhere.   Safeway even had a 'must buy 3 to get
the deal' special on water at the front door with a big pile of water.

The only thing which is completely sold out everywhere is hand sanitizer.

-forrest

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 5:03 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present situation.
>
> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods, as
> I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here
> for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock
> some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town
> and largely working from home pretty much means that you keep a well
> stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may
> not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want
> to go into to town for a week or so).
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:
>
>> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>>
>> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
>> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>>
>> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

This is not good news:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html


On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:56 PM  wrote:

> Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a
> cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has
> COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> > Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to prevent
> > you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in public. If
> you
> > want to get the R0  (R naught) below two and get ahead of this you
> _must_
> > stop people from passing.Part of the reason not to touch is also to
> > keep people from picking it up on surfaces as there is a pretty good
> body
> > of evidence that it lasts multiple days on paper and plastic and 1-2
> days
> > on everything else.  YES UV helps but this is a much tougher little
> bugger
> > than the common flu..
> >
> > On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >> The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if
> you
> >> ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks don't
> >> really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> >>> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
> >>>
> >>> Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have
> a
> >>> 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What the
> >>> heck?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Steven Kenney
> >>> Network Operations Manager
> >>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> >>> http://www.wavedirect.net
> >>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
> >>>
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> >>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> >>> *To: *"af" 
> >>> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>>
> >>> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
> term
> >>> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US
> >>> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines,
> >>> aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge
> >>> capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more
> >>> facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t
> stupid
> >>> with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital.
> >>> Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!
> >>>
> >>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
> first
> >>> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is
> worse
> >>> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
> >>> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
> >>> infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get
> >>> quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in
> >>> Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a
> >>> precaution because they had been to that facility.
> >>>
> >>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> >>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>>
> >>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
> >>> enough patients
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
> >>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
> >>>
> >>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
> >>> the end.
> >>>
> >>> bp
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
> >>> tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
> >>> baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
> >>> cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
> >>> they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
> >>> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
> >>>
> >>> *From:* AF 
> >>>  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> >>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
> >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>>
> >>> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
> >>> preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.
> >>>
> >>> Just a hypothesis.
> >>>
> >>>

[AFMUG] 60GHZ phased array antenna: 1G @ 1 mile

[Jared Brown]

https://www.eenewseurope.com/news/60ghz-phased-array-antenna

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Re: [AFMUG] micro-pop on power pole

[fiberrun]

> Has anyone deployed wireless equipment on a power company pole? I'm
> just talking about something small in the communications attachment
> space, small AP and backhaul.
  I gave up when the whole thing turned into a shitshow: permits, engineering 
and RF studies..
  As noted, others have had better luck, tho.


Jared

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Re: [AFMUG] 60GHZ phased array antenna: 1G @ 1 mile

[Mike Hammett]

I'd suspect most of that distance advantage is coming from the higher 
frequencies. 




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From: "Jared Brown"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 7:40:52 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] 60GHZ phased array antenna: 1G @ 1 mile 

https://www.eenewseurope.com/news/60ghz-phased-array-antenna 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe these folks don't trust their tap water?  The fluoride is a 
Communist plot to make us all sterile.  Ya gotta preserve the precious 
bodily fluids.


Seriously though, we get flooding here on a fairly routine basis, and 
when there's floodwater in the wells the town will tell you not to drink 
the water.  Just fill a bathtub and you'll have 40-80 gallons stored 
which is more than a person is going to carry home from Costco.  Bottled 
beer is cheaper than bottled water.  Use your money to stockpile beer 
instead.



On 3/3/2020 6:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Lewis Bergman]

Now that is a prepped scheme I can get behind.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 8:19 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Maybe these folks don't trust their tap water?  The fluoride is a
> Communist plot to make us all sterile.  Ya gotta preserve the precious
> bodily fluids.
>
> Seriously though, we get flooding here on a fairly routine basis, and when
> there's floodwater in the wells the town will tell you not to drink the
> water.  Just fill a bathtub and you'll have 40-80 gallons stored which is
> more than a person is going to carry home from Costco.  Bottled beer is
> cheaper than bottled water.  Use your money to stockpile beer instead.
>
>
> On 3/3/2020 6:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>
> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>
> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Ken Hohhof]

Corona beer might be on sale.

Unfortunately beer not much use as hand sanitizer unless it's 120 proof.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

 

Maybe these folks don't trust their tap water?  The fluoride is a Communist
plot to make us all sterile.  Ya gotta preserve the precious bodily fluids.


Seriously though, we get flooding here on a fairly routine basis, and when
there's floodwater in the wells the town will tell you not to drink the
water.  Just fill a bathtub and you'll have 40-80 gallons stored which is
more than a person is going to carry home from Costco.  Bottled beer is
cheaper than bottled water.  Use your money to stockpile beer instead.

 

On 3/3/2020 6:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.

 

I have two wells.  Both solar powered.  

Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water

 

Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[castarritt .]

I see a lot of people in other forums that seem to think the virus won't be
as dangerous in the US because 'murica, but looking my average fellow
Americans and our rate of comorbidities, I'm not so sure about that.  Also,
this:

https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/transporting-an-infected-person-china-italy-usa-comparison-corona-virus.jpg

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 2:29 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> This is not good news:
>
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:56 PM  wrote:
>
>> Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a
>> cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has
>> COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> > Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to prevent
>> > you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in public. If
>> you
>> > want to get the R0  (R naught) below two and get ahead of this you
>> _must_
>> > stop people from passing.Part of the reason not to touch is also to
>> > keep people from picking it up on surfaces as there is a pretty good
>> body
>> > of evidence that it lasts multiple days on paper and plastic and 1-2
>> days
>> > on everything else.  YES UV helps but this is a much tougher little
>> bugger
>> > than the common flu..
>> >
>> > On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> >> The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if
>> you
>> >> ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks don't
>> >> really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>> >>> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
>> >>>
>> >>> Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't
>> have a
>> >>> 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What the
>> >>> heck?
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Steven Kenney
>> >>> Network Operations Manager
>> >>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> >>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> >>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
>> >>> *To: *"af" 
>> >>> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>> >>>
>> >>> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
>> term
>> >>> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US
>> >>> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as
>> airlines,
>> >>> aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge
>> >>> capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more
>> >>> facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t
>> stupid
>> >>> with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital.
>> >>> Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!
>> >>>
>> >>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
>> first
>> >>> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is
>> worse
>> >>> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating
>> capacity.
>> >>> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
>> >>> infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get
>> >>> quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in
>> >>> Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a
>> >>> precaution because they had been to that facility.
>> >>>
>> >>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> >>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
>> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>> >>>
>> >>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
>> >>> enough patients
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince > >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
>> >>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>> >>>
>> >>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
>> >>> the end.
>> >>>
>> >>> bp
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
>> >>> tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
>> >>> baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
>> >>> cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
>> >

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Matt Hoppes]

There are now two version of the virus:

S-Cov and L-Cov.

L-Cov is what is believed to have gone through Wuhan and is extremely fatal.

S-Cov is less fatal.

What is here in the U.S. is unknown at this point.

On 3/4/20 10:17 AM, castarritt . wrote:
I see a lot of people in other forums that seem to think the virus won't 
be as dangerous in the US because 'murica, but looking my average fellow 
Americans and our rate of comorbidities, I'm not so sure about that.  
Also, this:


https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/transporting-an-infected-person-china-italy-usa-comparison-corona-virus.jpg

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 2:29 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


This is not good news:


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html


On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:56 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu


This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back
from a
cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told
he has
COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.


bp


On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
 > Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down )
to prevent
 > you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in
public. If you
 > want to get the R0  (R naught) below two and get ahead of
this you _must_
 > stop people from passing.    Part of the reason not to touch
is also to
 > keep people from picking it up on surfaces as there is a
pretty good body
 > of evidence that it lasts multiple days on paper and plastic
and 1-2 days
 > on everything else.  YES UV helps but this is a much tougher
little bugger
 > than the common flu..
 >
 > On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
 >> The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH,
they say if you
 >> ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that
masks don't
 >> really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the
virus in.
 >>
 >>
 >> bp
 >> 
 >>
 >> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
 >>> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
 >>>
 >>> Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world
doesn't have a
 >>> 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an
event?  What the
 >>> heck?
 >>>
 >>> --
 >>> Steven Kenney
 >>> Network Operations Manager
 >>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
 >>> http://www.wavedirect.net
 >>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
 >>>
 >>>


 >>>
 >>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
 >>> *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
 >>> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
 >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
 >>>
 >>> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I
heard the term
 >>> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was
saying US
 >>> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way
as airlines,
 >>> aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not
much surge
 >>> capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up
more
 >>> facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese
weren’t stupid
 >>> with their modular approach to quickly creating a field
hospital.
 >>> Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!
 >>>
 >>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity”
and the first
 >>> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A
hurricane is worse
 >>> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies,
eliminating capacity.
 >>> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard
against is
 >>> infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so
they get
 >>> quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that
nursing home in
 >>> Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined
as a
 >>> precaution because they had been to that facility.
 >>>
 >>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Bill Prince]

  
  
True. There is little difference between Bud, Corona and water.

bp



On 3/4/2020 6:18 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  Maybe these folks don't trust their tap water?  The fluoride is
a Communist plot to make us all sterile.  Ya gotta preserve the
precious bodily fluids.  
  
  Seriously though, we get flooding here on a fairly routine
basis, and when there's floodwater in the wells the town will
tell you not to drink the water.  Just fill a bathtub and you'll
have 40-80 gallons stored which is more than a person is going
to carry home from Costco.  Bottled beer is cheaper than bottled
water.  Use your money to stockpile beer instead.
  
  
  
  On 3/3/2020 6:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  
  


  
I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet
  paper hoy.
 
I have two wells.  Both solar powered.  
Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
 
Do people think the municipal water works are going to
  cease working?
  



  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] 60GHZ phased array antenna: 1G @ 1 mile

[Mathew Howard]

yeah, the antenna itself doesn't look all that special, other than "They
deliver consistent gain response over the 57-71 GHz unlicensed frequency
band over a wide operating temperature range", and 44dbi with a 390mm dish
is a couple db improvement over what's available now, but the fact that
they have it attached to a chipset that supports whole band is the most
interesting part. Hopefully there will be some new radios coming out soon.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:00 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I'd suspect most of that distance advantage is coming from the higher
> frequencies.
>
>
>
> -
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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>
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> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 4, 2020 7:40:52 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 60GHZ phased array antenna: 1G @ 1 mile
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 60GHZ phased array antenna: 1G @ 1 mile

[Mike Hammett]

For sure the most attractive feature is full band support. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:33:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHZ phased array antenna: 1G @ 1 mile 


yeah, the antenna itself doesn't look all that special, other than "They 
deliver consistent gain response over the 57-71 GHz unlicensed frequency band 
over a wide operating temperature range", and 44dbi with a 390mm dish is a 
couple db improvement over what's available now, but the fact that they have it 
attached to a chipset that supports whole band is the most interesting part. 
Hopefully there will be some new radios coming out soon. 



On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:00 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I'd suspect most of that distance advantage is coming from the higher 
frequencies. 




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From: "Jared Brown" < fiber...@mail.com > 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 7:40:52 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] 60GHZ phased array antenna: 1G @ 1 mile 

https://www.eenewseurope.com/news/60ghz-phased-array-antenna 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Ken Hohhof]

Yes, those photos from Kirkland WA have bothered me for awhile.  I hope it’s 
not typical.  Every photo from elsewhere in the world has shown workers better 
protected.  The people at the Kirkland facility look like they’re ready for a 
pottery class not transporting patients with a deadly virus.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

I see a lot of people in other forums that seem to think the virus won't be as 
dangerous in the US because 'murica, but looking my average fellow Americans 
and our rate of comorbidities, I'm not so sure about that.  Also, this:

https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/transporting-an-infected-person-china-italy-usa-comparison-corona-virus.jpg

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 2:29 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

This is not good news:

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html
  

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:56 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu


This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a
cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has
COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.


bp


On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to prevent 
> you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in public. If you 
> want to get the R0  (R naught) below two and get ahead of this you _must_ 
> stop people from passing.Part of the reason not to touch is also to 
> keep people from picking it up on surfaces as there is a pretty good body 
> of evidence that it lasts multiple days on paper and plastic and 1-2 days 
> on everything else.  YES UV helps but this is a much tougher little bugger 
> than the common flu..
>
> On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if you 
>> ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks don't 
>> really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>>> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
>>>
>>> Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have a 
>>> 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What the 
>>> heck?
>>>
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>>> Network Operations Manager
>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
>>> *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
>>> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term 
>>> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US 
>>> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, 
>>> aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge 
>>> capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more 
>>> facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid 
>>> with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital. 
>>> Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!
>>>
>>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first 
>>> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is worse 
>>> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. 
>>> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is 
>>> infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get 
>>> quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in 
>>> Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a 
>>> precaution because they had been to that facility.
>>>
>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On 
>>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>  >
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
>>> enough patients
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince >>   
>>>  >> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
>>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>>>
>>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
>>> t

Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Mathew Howard]

Ah yes, I see the answer to all our problems now. Stockpile Corona beer
instead of water and it will protect you from the virus... or you'll be too
drunk to care. On second thought, Everclear is probably a better option...
you'll be much drunker, and you can use it as hand sanitizer.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:37 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Corona beer might be on sale.
>
> Unfortunately beer not much use as hand sanitizer unless it’s 120 proof.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:19 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping
>
>
>
> Maybe these folks don't trust their tap water?  The fluoride is a
> Communist plot to make us all sterile.  Ya gotta preserve the precious
> bodily fluids.
>
> Seriously though, we get flooding here on a fairly routine basis, and when
> there's floodwater in the wells the town will tell you not to drink the
> water.  Just fill a bathtub and you'll have 40-80 gallons stored which is
> more than a person is going to carry home from Costco.  Bottled beer is
> cheaper than bottled water.  Use your money to stockpile beer instead.
>
>
>
> On 3/3/2020 6:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>
>
>
> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
>
> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>
>
>
> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Tep. A new life for Everclear:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ4Y9QPOzmA
bp



On 3/4/2020 7:40 AM, Mathew Howard
  wrote:


  
  Ah yes, I see the answer to all our problems now.
Stockpile Corona beer instead of water and it will protect you
from the virus... or you'll be too drunk to care. On second
thought, Everclear is probably a better option... you'll be much
drunker, and you can use it as hand sanitizer. 
  
  
  
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:37 AM
  Ken Hohhof  wrote:


  

  Corona beer might be on sale.
  Unfortunately beer not much use as
hand sanitizer unless it’s 120 proof.
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

  
   
  Maybe these folks don't trust their tap water?  The
fluoride is a Communist plot to make us all sterile.  Ya
gotta preserve the precious bodily fluids.  
  Seriously though, we get flooding here on a fairly
routine basis, and when there's floodwater in the wells
the town will tell you not to drink the water.  Just
fill a bathtub and you'll have 40-80 gallons stored
which is more than a person is going to carry home from
Costco.  Bottled beer is cheaper than bottled water. 
Use your money to stockpile beer instead.
   
  
On 3/3/2020 6:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  
  

  

  I hear that
  Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper
  hoy.


   


  I have two
  wells.  Both solar powered.  


  Guess what,
  I can wash my a$$ with water


   


  Do people
  think the municipal water works are going to
  cease working?

  


  

  

  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[chuck]

My main production manager is sick this morning.  She is the one that opened 
the PCBs from China a couple of days ago...

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

So... 

Costco here looks like a prepper warehouse.   The entire back wall is paper 
towels/toilet paper which is pretty typical, although it has also spilled down 
both sides of the warehouse and all the empty spots seem to have a case of 
paper towels or toilet paper in it.  I'm guessing someone at costco corporate 
figured this out months ago and has started sending this stuff to all the 
warehouses.   We've just avoided the hysteria so far, but all it's going to 
take is a few cases in montana and I'm sure that they will sell all of this and 
more.

Still plenty of water everywhere.   Safeway even had a 'must buy 3 to get the 
deal' special on water at the front door with a big pile of water.

The only thing which is completely sold out everywhere is hand sanitizer.

-forrest

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 5:03 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

  I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present situation.

  I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods, as I 
personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here for a 
few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock some stuff 
which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town and largely 
working from home pretty much means that you keep a well stocked pantry 
regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may not have, 
especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want to go into to 
town for a week or so).



  On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:

I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.

I have two wells.  Both solar powered.  
Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water

Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Did anyone catch this yesterday.

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020

"But as we get more data, we are understanding this virus, and the disease it 
causes, more and more.
This virus is not SARS, it’s not MERS, and it’s not influenza. It is a unique 
virus with unique characteristics.
Both COVID-19 and influenza cause respiratory disease and spread the same way, 
via small droplets of fluid from the nose and mouth of someone who is sick.
However, there are some important differences between COVID-19 and influenza.
First, COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we 
have so far.
With influenza, people who are infected but not yet sick are major drivers of 
transmission, which does not appear to be the case for COVID-19.
Evidence from China is that only 1% of reported cases do not have symptoms, and 
most of those cases develop symptoms within 2 days.
Some  countries  are  looking for cases of COVID-19 using surveillance
systems for influenza and other respiratory diseases."









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Wednesday, March 4, 2020, 10:19:05 AM, you wrote:

MH> There are now two version of the virus:

MH> S-Cov and L-Cov.

MH> L-Cov is what is believed to have gone through Wuhan and is extremely fatal.

MH> S-Cov is less fatal.

MH> What is here in the U.S. is unknown at this point.

MH> On 3/4/20 10:17 AM, castarritt . wrote:
>> I see a lot of people in other forums that seem to think the virus won't 
>> be as dangerous in the US because 'murica, but looking my average fellow 
>> Americans and our rate of comorbidities, I'm not so sure about that.  
>> Also, this:
>> 
>> https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/transporting-an-infected-person-china-italy-usa-comparison-corona-virus.jpg
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 2:29 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> This is not good news:
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:56 PM > > wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>> 
>> 
>> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back
>> from a
>> cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told
>> he has
>> COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>  > Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down )
>> to prevent
>>  > you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in
>> public. If you
>>  > want to get the R0  (R naught) below two and get ahead of
>> this you _must_
>>  > stop people from passing.    Part of the reason not to touch
>> is also to
>>  > keep people from picking it up on surfaces as there is a
>> pretty good body
>>  > of evidence that it lasts multiple days on paper and plastic
>> and 1-2 days
>>  > on everything else.  YES UV helps but this is a much tougher
>> little bugger
>>  > than the common flu..
>>  >
>>  > On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>  >> The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH,
>> they say if you
>>  >> ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that
>> masks don't
>>  >> really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the
>> virus in.
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> bp
>>  >> 
>>  >>
>>  >> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>>  >>> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world
>> doesn't have a
>>  >>> 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an
>> event?  What the
>>  >>> heck?
>>  >>>
>>  >>> --
>>  >>> Steven Kenney
>>  >>> Network Operations Manager
>>  >>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>  >>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>  >>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  >>>
>>  >>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
>>  >>> *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>  >>

Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions

[Steven Kenney]

+10 

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From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 3:54:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions 

I hate apple 
apple sucks 
garbage 

What is the catch with letsencrypt? Nothing is free 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 2:53 PM Dan Spitler < [ mailto:d...@common.net | 
d...@common.net ] > wrote: 



Warning about long-term paid certs: Apple is going to start rejecting certs 
with expiration dates longer than 13 months: [ 
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/20/apple_shorter_cert_lifetime/ | 
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/20/apple_shorter_cert_lifetime/ ] 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:09 PM Mike Hammett < [ mailto:af...@ics-il.net | 
af...@ics-il.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

I spend more time baby sitting real SSL certs (every two years at renewal) than 
Let's Encrypt... and I have more Let's Encrypt. 
If there's a clear, reliable way of doing Let's Encrypt... do it. 

If not, use a paid cert until someone else gets the bruises getting Let's 
Encrypt to work solidly on whatever you're doing with it. 



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From: "Ken Hohhof" < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com | af...@kwisp.com ] > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 2:04:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions 

I don't have experience with letsencrypt but a webserver software mailing 
list I'm on has constant traffic about problems with certs not renewing. It 
may be specific to that software, but my gut tells me if this is something 
mission critical and you don't want to monitor it for problems, just pay a 
regular cert authority. It's not a trivial amount of money, but not 
Bloomberg money either. I have too many things demanding my time already 
without having to babysit website certs. 

-Original Message- 
From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:41 PM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions 

On 2/21/20 11:28 AM, Larry Smith wrote: 
> Mark, 
> 
> Look at [ http://letsencrypt.org/ | letsencrypt.org ] . They have free certs 
> for personal and 
> minor use. 
> 


Anyone can use Let's Encrypt for anything. Personal, commercial, for profit, 
not for profit, whatever you imagine. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions

[Steven Kenney]

Whoops old reply! I replied to one that was in search when I thought I was in 
the list folder :) 

Oh and PS 

Apple sucks 

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From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:05:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions 

+10 

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From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 3:54:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions 

I hate apple 
apple sucks 
garbage 

What is the catch with letsencrypt? Nothing is free 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 2:53 PM Dan Spitler < [ mailto:d...@common.net | 
d...@common.net ] > wrote: 



Warning about long-term paid certs: Apple is going to start rejecting certs 
with expiration dates longer than 13 months: [ 
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/20/apple_shorter_cert_lifetime/ | 
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/20/apple_shorter_cert_lifetime/ ] 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:09 PM Mike Hammett < [ mailto:af...@ics-il.net | 
af...@ics-il.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

I spend more time baby sitting real SSL certs (every two years at renewal) than 
Let's Encrypt... and I have more Let's Encrypt. 
If there's a clear, reliable way of doing Let's Encrypt... do it. 

If not, use a paid cert until someone else gets the bruises getting Let's 
Encrypt to work solidly on whatever you're doing with it. 



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From: "Ken Hohhof" < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com | af...@kwisp.com ] > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 2:04:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions 

I don't have experience with letsencrypt but a webserver software mailing 
list I'm on has constant traffic about problems with certs not renewing. It 
may be specific to that software, but my gut tells me if this is something 
mission critical and you don't want to monitor it for problems, just pay a 
regular cert authority. It's not a trivial amount of money, but not 
Bloomberg money either. I have too many things demanding my time already 
without having to babysit website certs. 

-Original Message- 
From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:41 PM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions 

On 2/21/20 11:28 AM, Larry Smith wrote: 
> Mark, 
> 
> Look at [ http://letsencrypt.org/ | letsencrypt.org ] . They have free certs 
> for personal and 
> minor use. 
> 


Anyone can use Let's Encrypt for anything. Personal, commercial, for profit, 
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Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions

[Ken Hohhof]

If you’re using LetsEncrypt, watch your inbox:

https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/revoking-certain-certificates-on-march-4/114864

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:06 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions

 

+10

 

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From: "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 3:54:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions

 

I hate apple

apple sucks

garbage

 

What is the catch with letsencrypt? Nothing is free

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 2:53 PM Dan Spitler mailto:d...@common.net> > wrote:

Warning about long-term paid certs: Apple is going to start rejecting certs 
with expiration dates longer than 13 months: 
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/20/apple_shorter_cert_lifetime/

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:09 PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

I spend more time baby sitting real SSL certs (every two years at renewal) than 
Let's Encrypt...  and I have more Let's Encrypt.

If there's a clear, reliable way of doing Let's Encrypt...  do it.

 

If not, use a paid cert until someone else gets the bruises getting Let's 
Encrypt to work solidly on whatever you're doing with it.

 



-
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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 2:04:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions

I don't have experience with letsencrypt but a webserver software mailing
list I'm on has constant traffic about problems with certs not renewing.  It
may be specific to that software, but my gut tells me if this is something
mission critical and you don't want to monitor it for problems, just pay a
regular cert authority.  It's not a trivial amount of money, but not
Bloomberg money either.  I have too many things demanding my time already
without having to babysit website certs.

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions

On 2/21/20 11:28 AM, Larry Smith wrote:
> Mark,
> 
>Look at letsencrypt.org  .  They have free certs 
> for personal and 
> minor use.
> 


Anyone can use Let's Encrypt for anything. Personal, commercial, for profit,
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Ken Hohhof]

Let’s hope it’s just regular flu.  Is she going to get tested?  Probably want 
to know in case other employees need to self quarantine.

 

My son is sick this morning, but that’s because he’s a Bernie Bro.  No vaccine 
for that yet.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

 

My main production manager is sick this morning.  She is the one that opened 
the PCBs from China a couple of days ago...

 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:18 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

 

So... 

 

Costco here looks like a prepper warehouse.   The entire back wall is paper 
towels/toilet paper which is pretty typical, although it has also spilled down 
both sides of the warehouse and all the empty spots seem to have a case of 
paper towels or toilet paper in it.  I'm guessing someone at costco corporate 
figured this out months ago and has started sending this stuff to all the 
warehouses.   We've just avoided the hysteria so far, but all it's going to 
take is a few cases in montana and I'm sure that they will sell all of this and 
more.

 

Still plenty of water everywhere.   Safeway even had a 'must buy 3 to get the 
deal' special on water at the front door with a big pile of water.

 

The only thing which is completely sold out everywhere is hand sanitizer.

 

-forrest

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 5:03 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present situation.

 

I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods, as I 
personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here for a 
few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock some stuff 
which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town and largely 
working from home pretty much means that you keep a well stocked pantry 
regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may not have, 
especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want to go into to 
town for a week or so).

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.

 

I have two wells.  Both solar powered.  

Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water

 

Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?

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Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions

[Lewis Bergman]

They encourage you to support them.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 10:06 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> +10
>
> --
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> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
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> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, February 21, 2020 3:54:10 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions
>
> I hate apple
> apple sucks
> garbage
>
> What is the catch with letsencrypt? Nothing is free
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 2:53 PM Dan Spitler  wrote:
>
>> Warning about long-term paid certs: Apple is going to start rejecting
>> certs with expiration dates longer than 13 months:
>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/20/apple_shorter_cert_lifetime/
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:09 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> I spend more time baby sitting real SSL certs (every two years at
>>> renewal) than Let's Encrypt...  and I have more Let's Encrypt.
>>> If there's a clear, reliable way of doing Let's Encrypt...  do it.
>>>
>>> If not, use a paid cert until someone else gets the bruises getting
>>> Let's Encrypt to work solidly on whatever you're doing with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Sent: *Friday, February 21, 2020 2:04:55 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions
>>>
>>> I don't have experience with letsencrypt but a webserver software mailing
>>> list I'm on has constant traffic about problems with certs not
>>> renewing.  It
>>> may be specific to that software, but my gut tells me if this is
>>> something
>>> mission critical and you don't want to monitor it for problems, just pay
>>> a
>>> regular cert authority.  It's not a trivial amount of money, but not
>>> Bloomberg money either.  I have too many things demanding my time already
>>> without having to babysit website certs.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:41 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions
>>>
>>> On 2/21/20 11:28 AM, Larry Smith wrote:
>>> > Mark,
>>> >
>>> >Look at letsencrypt.org.  They have free certs for personal and
>>> > minor use.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone can use Let's Encrypt for anything. Personal, commercial, for
>>> profit,
>>> not for profit, whatever you imagine.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Matt Hoppes]

RemindMe! 7 days

I doubt it's the WuFlu... it has an incubation period of 4-14 days with 
the initial symptoms being mild.


On 3/4/20 11:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Let’s hope it’s just regular flu.  Is she going to get tested?  Probably 
want to know in case other employees need to self quarantine.


My son is sick this morning, but that’s because he’s a Bernie Bro.  No 
vaccine for that yet.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:52 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

My main production manager is sick this morning.  She is the one that 
opened the PCBs from China a couple of days ago...


*From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:*Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:18 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

So...

Costco here looks like a prepper warehouse.   The entire back wall is 
paper towels/toilet paper which is pretty typical, although it has also 
spilled down both sides of the warehouse and all the empty spots seem to 
have a case of paper towels or toilet paper in it.  I'm guessing someone 
at costco corporate figured this out months ago and has started sending 
this stuff to all the warehouses.   We've just avoided the hysteria so 
far, but all it's going to take is a few cases in montana and I'm sure 
that they will sell all of this and more.


Still plenty of water everywhere.   Safeway even had a 'must buy 3 to 
get the deal' special on water at the front door with a big pile of water.


The only thing which is completely sold out everywhere is hand sanitizer.

-forrest

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 5:03 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present
situation.

I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf
goods, as I personally am looking at what I need to
reverse-quarantine myself here for a few weeks/months. But it's
going to be to go ahead and restock some stuff which has gotten low
in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town and largely working from
home pretty much means that you keep a well stocked pantry
regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may not
have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't
want to go into to town for a week or so).

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.

I have two wells.  Both solar powered.

Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water

Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Craig Baird]

My daughter went to Disneyland last week for a few days with her high
school music department.  She came down sick on the 8-hour bus ride home.
Flu-like symptoms, and it came on quite suddenly, which made us think flu.
We took her to the doctor.  He ran flu and strep tests.  Both were
negative.  He said, based on the symptoms and sudden onset, he thinks it's
flu, despite the negative flu test.  He didn't even mention Coronavirus.
Seems to me like like a Coronavirus test would have been in order.
Although at our little small-town hospital, I'm sure they can't even run
one.  If I'd been there, I'd have pressed him about it.  But my wife just
deferred to the doctor's opinion.  He prescribed Tamiflu, and sent her on
her way.  I hope he's right that it's flu, but it makes me wonder.  What if
we're all walking around, unknowingly spreading it around town...

Craig


On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:28 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Let’s hope it’s just regular flu.  Is she going to get tested?  Probably
> want to know in case other employees need to self quarantine.
>
>
>
> My son is sick this morning, but that’s because he’s a Bernie Bro.  No
> vaccine for that yet.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:52 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping
>
>
>
> My main production manager is sick this morning.  She is the one that
> opened the PCBs from China a couple of days ago...
>
>
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:18 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping
>
>
>
> So...
>
>
>
> Costco here looks like a prepper warehouse.   The entire back wall is
> paper towels/toilet paper which is pretty typical, although it has also
> spilled down both sides of the warehouse and all the empty spots seem to
> have a case of paper towels or toilet paper in it.  I'm guessing someone at
> costco corporate figured this out months ago and has started sending this
> stuff to all the warehouses.   We've just avoided the hysteria so far, but
> all it's going to take is a few cases in montana and I'm sure that they
> will sell all of this and more.
>
>
>
> Still plenty of water everywhere.   Safeway even had a 'must buy 3 to get
> the deal' special on water at the front door with a big pile of water.
>
>
>
> The only thing which is completely sold out everywhere is hand sanitizer.
>
>
>
> -forrest
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 5:03 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present
> situation.
>
>
>
> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods, as
> I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here
> for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock
> some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town
> and largely working from home pretty much means that you keep a well
> stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may
> not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want
> to go into to town for a week or so).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:
>
> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>
>
>
> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
>
> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>
>
>
> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions

[Josh Luthman]

LetsEncrypt is pretty awesome.  Certbot works flawlessly as long as you
don't fiddle around changing things on it.

I use Xymon to monitor systems but whatever you're using otherwise, just
send an alert if the cert is going to expire in <31 days.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 6:43 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 2/21/20 12:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > I don't have experience with letsencrypt but a webserver software mailing
> > list I'm on has constant traffic about problems with certs not
> renewing.  It
> > may be specific to that software, but my gut tells me if this is
> something
> > mission critical and you don't want to monitor it for problems, just pay
> a
> > regular cert authority.  It's not a trivial amount of money, but not
> > Bloomberg money either.  I have too many things demanding my time already
> > without having to babysit website certs.
>
>
> I've converted 100% of my certs to use Let's Encrypt. As long as your
> automated renewals are working you're golden. That's the catch though,
> LE certs are only good for 90 days, so you absolutely can't be brain
> dead about making sure automated renewals work. I use the default
> certbot client but there are many other clients.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Steve Jones]

2 day onset of symptoms

Cdc issued guidance yesterday, any doctor csn order kungflu test

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 10:54 AM Craig Baird  wrote:

> My daughter went to Disneyland last week for a few days with her high
> school music department.  She came down sick on the 8-hour bus ride home.
> Flu-like symptoms, and it came on quite suddenly, which made us think flu.
> We took her to the doctor.  He ran flu and strep tests.  Both were
> negative.  He said, based on the symptoms and sudden onset, he thinks it's
> flu, despite the negative flu test.  He didn't even mention Coronavirus.
> Seems to me like like a Coronavirus test would have been in order.
> Although at our little small-town hospital, I'm sure they can't even run
> one.  If I'd been there, I'd have pressed him about it.  But my wife just
> deferred to the doctor's opinion.  He prescribed Tamiflu, and sent her on
> her way.  I hope he's right that it's flu, but it makes me wonder.  What if
> we're all walking around, unknowingly spreading it around town...
>
> Craig
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:28 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Let’s hope it’s just regular flu.  Is she going to get tested?  Probably
>> want to know in case other employees need to self quarantine.
>>
>>
>>
>> My son is sick this morning, but that’s because he’s a Bernie Bro.  No
>> vaccine for that yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:52 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping
>>
>>
>>
>> My main production manager is sick this morning.  She is the one that
>> opened the PCBs from China a couple of days ago...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:18 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping
>>
>>
>>
>> So...
>>
>>
>>
>> Costco here looks like a prepper warehouse.   The entire back wall is
>> paper towels/toilet paper which is pretty typical, although it has also
>> spilled down both sides of the warehouse and all the empty spots seem to
>> have a case of paper towels or toilet paper in it.  I'm guessing someone at
>> costco corporate figured this out months ago and has started sending this
>> stuff to all the warehouses.   We've just avoided the hysteria so far, but
>> all it's going to take is a few cases in montana and I'm sure that they
>> will sell all of this and more.
>>
>>
>>
>> Still plenty of water everywhere.   Safeway even had a 'must buy 3 to get
>> the deal' special on water at the front door with a big pile of water.
>>
>>
>>
>> The only thing which is completely sold out everywhere is hand sanitizer.
>>
>>
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 5:03 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present
>> situation.
>>
>>
>>
>> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods,
>> as I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here
>> for a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock
>> some stuff which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town
>> and largely working from home pretty much means that you keep a well
>> stocked pantry regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may
>> not have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want
>> to go into to town for a week or so).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:
>>
>> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
>>
>> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>>
>>
>>
>> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Ken Hohhof]

When I was that age, an 8 hour bus ride would be enough to make me sick.

 

Plus Disneyland.  Remember when Penny takes Sheldon to Disneyland and she 
doesn’t heed Leonard’s warning not to buy him a churro?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

 

2 day onset of symptoms

 

Cdc issued guidance yesterday, any doctor csn order kungflu test

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 10:54 AM Craig Baird mailto:cr...@xpressweb.com> > wrote:

My daughter went to Disneyland last week for a few days with her high school 
music department.  She came down sick on the 8-hour bus ride home.  Flu-like 
symptoms, and it came on quite suddenly, which made us think flu.  We took her 
to the doctor.  He ran flu and strep tests.  Both were negative.  He said, 
based on the symptoms and sudden onset, he thinks it's flu, despite the 
negative flu test.  He didn't even mention Coronavirus.  Seems to me like like 
a Coronavirus test would have been in order.  Although at our little small-town 
hospital, I'm sure they can't even run one.  If I'd been there, I'd have 
pressed him about it.  But my wife just deferred to the doctor's opinion.  He 
prescribed Tamiflu, and sent her on her way.  I hope he's right that it's flu, 
but it makes me wonder.  What if we're all walking around, unknowingly 
spreading it around town...

 

Craig

 

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:28 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Let’s hope it’s just regular flu.  Is she going to get tested?  Probably want 
to know in case other employees need to self quarantine.

 

My son is sick this morning, but that’s because he’s a Bernie Bro.  No vaccine 
for that yet.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

 

My main production manager is sick this morning.  She is the one that opened 
the PCBs from China a couple of days ago...

 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:18 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

 

So... 

 

Costco here looks like a prepper warehouse.   The entire back wall is paper 
towels/toilet paper which is pretty typical, although it has also spilled down 
both sides of the warehouse and all the empty spots seem to have a case of 
paper towels or toilet paper in it.  I'm guessing someone at costco corporate 
figured this out months ago and has started sending this stuff to all the 
warehouses.   We've just avoided the hysteria so far, but all it's going to 
take is a few cases in montana and I'm sure that they will sell all of this and 
more.

 

Still plenty of water everywhere.   Safeway even had a 'must buy 3 to get the 
deal' special on water at the front door with a big pile of water.

 

The only thing which is completely sold out everywhere is hand sanitizer.

 

-forrest

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 5:03 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present situation.

 

I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods, as I 
personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here for a 
few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock some stuff 
which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town and largely 
working from home pretty much means that you keep a well stocked pantry 
regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may not have, 
especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want to go into to 
town for a week or so).

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.

 

I have two wells.  Both solar powered.  

Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water

 

Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Robert Andrews]

There was a tweet from a Venture Capitalist that is well known for his 
very forward thinking investments about two months ago where he had a 
picture of his Costco carts filled with prepper stuff.   For sterilizer 
he was buying very high proof vodka.  Expensive but very available...


On 03/04/2020 06:36 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Corona beer might be on sale.

Unfortunately beer not much use as hand sanitizer unless it’s 120 proof.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:19 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

Maybe these folks don't trust their tap water?  The fluoride is a 
Communist plot to make us all sterile.  Ya gotta preserve the precious 
bodily fluids.


Seriously though, we get flooding here on a fairly routine basis, and 
when there's floodwater in the wells the town will tell you not to drink 
the water.  Just fill a bathtub and you'll have 40-80 gallons stored 
which is more than a person is going to carry home from Costco.  Bottled 
beer is cheaper than bottled water.  Use your money to stockpile beer 
instead.


On 3/3/2020 6:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.

I have two wells.  Both solar powered.

Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water

Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?







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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Robert Andrews]

Symptoms show in as 4-14 days, contagious in as little as 15 hours.. 
Some reports as little as 5 hours but that would be way too scary...


On 03/04/2020 08:52 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

RemindMe! 7 days

I doubt it's the WuFlu... it has an incubation period of 4-14 days with 
the initial symptoms being mild.


On 3/4/20 11:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Let’s hope it’s just regular flu.  Is she going to get tested?  
Probably want to know in case other employees need to self quarantine.


My son is sick this morning, but that’s because he’s a Bernie Bro.  No 
vaccine for that yet.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:52 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

My main production manager is sick this morning.  She is the one that 
opened the PCBs from China a couple of days ago...


*From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:*Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:18 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

So...

Costco here looks like a prepper warehouse.   The entire back wall is 
paper towels/toilet paper which is pretty typical, although it has 
also spilled down both sides of the warehouse and all the empty spots 
seem to have a case of paper towels or toilet paper in it.  I'm 
guessing someone at costco corporate figured this out months ago and 
has started sending this stuff to all the warehouses.   We've just 
avoided the hysteria so far, but all it's going to take is a few cases 
in montana and I'm sure that they will sell all of this and more.


Still plenty of water everywhere.   Safeway even had a 'must buy 3 to 
get the deal' special on water at the front door with a big pile of 
water.


The only thing which is completely sold out everywhere is hand sanitizer.

-forrest

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 5:03 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present
situation.

I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf
goods, as I personally am looking at what I need to
reverse-quarantine myself here for a few weeks/months. But it's
going to be to go ahead and restock some stuff which has gotten low
in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town and largely working from
home pretty much means that you keep a well stocked pantry
regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may not
have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't
want to go into to town for a week or so).

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.

I have two wells.  Both solar powered.

Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water

Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease
working?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I grew up in central Illinois (East Peoria). We had many field
  trips to Chicago or Saint Louis , both of which were close to a 4
  hour drive (by old yellow school bus). I don't recall getting
  sick, except for maybe our chaperones.


bp



On 3/4/2020 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
When I was that age, an 8 hour bus ride
  would be enough to make me sick.
 
Plus Disneyland.  Remember when Penny takes
  Sheldon to Disneyland and she doesn’t heed Leonard’s warning
  not to buy him a churro?
 
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Steve
  Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:33 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping
 

  2 day onset of symptoms
  
 
  
  
Cdc issued guidance yesterday, any
  doctor csn order kungflu test
  

 

  
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 10:54 AM Craig
  Baird 
  wrote:
  
  

  
My daughter went to Disneyland last
  week for a few days with her high school music
  department.  She came down sick on the 8-hour bus ride
  home.  Flu-like symptoms, and it came on quite
  suddenly, which made us think flu.  We took her to the
  doctor.  He ran flu and strep tests.  Both were
  negative.  He said, based on the symptoms and sudden
  onset, he thinks it's flu, despite the negative flu
  test.  He didn't even mention Coronavirus.  Seems to
  me like like a Coronavirus test would have been in
  order.  Although at our little small-town hospital,
  I'm sure they can't even run one.  If I'd been there,
  I'd have pressed him about it.  But my wife just
  deferred to the doctor's opinion.  He prescribed
  Tamiflu, and sent her on her way.  I hope he's right
  that it's flu, but it makes me wonder.  What if we're
  all walking around, unknowingly spreading it around
  town...

   


  Craig


   

  
   
  

  On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:28 AM
Ken Hohhof 
wrote:


  

  Let’s
hope it’s just regular flu.  Is she going to get
tested?  Probably want to know in case other
employees need to self quarantine.
   
  My
son is sick this morning, but that’s because
he’s a Bernie Bro.  No vaccine for that yet.
   
  

  From:
AF 
On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:52
AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

  
   
  

  
My
main production manager is sick this
morning.  She is the one that opened the
PCBs from China a couple of days ago...
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From:
  Forrest Christian (List Account) 


  Sent:
  Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:18 AM


  To:
  AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 


  Subject:
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Bill Prince]

Everclear is probably more cost effective.

bp


On 3/4/2020 9:51 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
There was a tweet from a Venture Capitalist that is well known for his 
very forward thinking investments about two months ago where he had a 
picture of his Costco carts filled with prepper stuff.   For 
sterilizer he was buying very high proof vodka.  Expensive but very 
available...


On 03/04/2020 06:36 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Corona beer might be on sale.

Unfortunately beer not much use as hand sanitizer unless it’s 120 proof.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:19 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

Maybe these folks don't trust their tap water?  The fluoride is a 
Communist plot to make us all sterile.  Ya gotta preserve the 
precious bodily fluids.


Seriously though, we get flooding here on a fairly routine basis, and 
when there's floodwater in the wells the town will tell you not to 
drink the water.  Just fill a bathtub and you'll have 40-80 gallons 
stored which is more than a person is going to carry home from 
Costco.  Bottled beer is cheaper than bottled water.  Use your money 
to stockpile beer instead.


On 3/3/2020 6:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

    I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.

    I have two wells.  Both solar powered.

    Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water

    Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease 
working?










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Re: [AFMUG] 16.1 firmware / remote device type?

[Ken Hohhof]

I came across this looking for something else today:

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-FAQ/Changes-to-PMP-Synchronization-Parameters-in-the-16-1-Release/td-p/108610

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 10:28 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 16.1 firmware / remote device type?

 

That sounds right.  Is there popup text if you hover over the option in the GUI?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 10:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 16.1 firmware / remote device type?

 

I think that’s for when you are feeding sync from an SM to an AP for a small 
pop.  But I haven’t read the manual yet.

 

-Sean 

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:40 AM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What is the "remote device type" setting for on 16.1 firmware for PMP450 ??? 
Everything I upgraded from defaulted to "other" but is still working fine 
connected to the normal AP's

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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Steven Kenney]

It can continue in the body for 28 in some cases. Some people have recovered 
and then tested positive again weeks later. 

Now they've found a second strain which is more deadly. 

[ 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8073543/TWO-strains-killer-coronavirus-spreading-study-claims.html
 | 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8073543/TWO-strains-killer-coronavirus-spreading-study-claims.html
 ] 



The [ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/coronavirus/index.html | coronavirus ] 
has mutated into at least two separate strains since the outbreak began in 
December, according to Chinese scientists. 

Researchers say there are now two types of the same coronavirus infecting 
people – and most people seem to have caught the most aggressive form of it. 


a /runs with hands in the air 

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WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Robert Andrews"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 12:56:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping 

Symptoms show in as 4-14 days, contagious in as little as 15 hours.. 
Some reports as little as 5 hours but that would be way too scary... 

On 03/04/2020 08:52 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 
> RemindMe! 7 days 
> 
> I doubt it's the WuFlu... it has an incubation period of 4-14 days with 
> the initial symptoms being mild. 
> 
> On 3/4/20 11:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 
>> Let’s hope it’s just regular flu. Is she going to get tested? 
>> Probably want to know in case other employees need to self quarantine. 
>> 
>> My son is sick this morning, but that’s because he’s a Bernie Bro. No 
>> vaccine for that yet. 
>> 
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:52 AM 
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping 
>> 
>> My main production manager is sick this morning. She is the one that 
>> opened the PCBs from China a couple of days ago... 
>> 
>> *From:*Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>> 
>> *Sent:*Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:18 AM 
>> 
>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping 
>> 
>> So... 
>> 
>> Costco here looks like a prepper warehouse. The entire back wall is 
>> paper towels/toilet paper which is pretty typical, although it has 
>> also spilled down both sides of the warehouse and all the empty spots 
>> seem to have a case of paper towels or toilet paper in it. I'm 
>> guessing someone at costco corporate figured this out months ago and 
>> has started sending this stuff to all the warehouses. We've just 
>> avoided the hysteria so far, but all it's going to take is a few cases 
>> in montana and I'm sure that they will sell all of this and more. 
>> 
>> Still plenty of water everywhere. Safeway even had a 'must buy 3 to 
>> get the deal' special on water at the front door with a big pile of 
>> water. 
>> 
>> The only thing which is completely sold out everywhere is hand sanitizer. 
>> 
>> -forrest 
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 5:03 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote: 
>> 
>> I'm not sure why the water. That is odd for the present 
>> situation. 
>> 
>> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf 
>> goods, as I personally am looking at what I need to 
>> reverse-quarantine myself here for a few weeks/months. But it's 
>> going to be to go ahead and restock some stuff which has gotten low 
>> in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town and largely working from 
>> home pretty much means that you keep a well stocked pantry 
>> regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may not 
>> have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't 
>> want to go into to town for a week or so). 
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM > > wrote: 
>> 
>> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy. 
>> 
>> I have two wells. Both solar powered. 
>> 
>> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water 
>> 
>> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease 
>> working? 
>> 
>> -- AF mailing list 
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>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com 
>> 
>> -- 
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>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> - Forrest 
>> 
>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Ken Hohhof]

I thought the more aggressive strain was the original one though, so might not 
really be bad news.  Now we have COVID-19 Lite?  I would more ask does getting 
one confer immunity to the other, and what does this mean for vaccine 
development?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:16 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

 

It can continue in the body for 28 in some cases.  Some people have recovered 
and then tested positive again weeks later.  

 

Now they've found a second strain which is more deadly. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8073543/TWO-strains-killer-coronavirus-spreading-study-claims.html

 

The   coronavirus has 
mutated into at least two separate strains since the outbreak began in 
December, according to Chinese scientists.

Researchers say there are now two types of the same coronavirus infecting 
people – and most people seem to have caught the most aggressive form of it.

 

 

a/runs with hands in the air

 

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From: "Robert Andrews" mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> >
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 12:56:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

 

Symptoms show in as 4-14 days, contagious in as little as 15 hours.. 
Some reports as little as 5 hours but that would be way too scary...

On 03/04/2020 08:52 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> RemindMe! 7 days
> 
> I doubt it's the WuFlu... it has an incubation period of 4-14 days with 
> the initial symptoms being mild.
> 
> On 3/4/20 11:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Let’s hope it’s just regular flu.  Is she going to get tested?  
>> Probably want to know in case other employees need to self quarantine.
>>
>> My son is sick this morning, but that’s because he’s a Bernie Bro.  No 
>> vaccine for that yet.
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On 
>> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com  
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:52 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >  >
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping
>>
>> My main production manager is sick this morning.  She is the one that 
>> opened the PCBs from China a couple of days ago...
>>
>> *From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>
>> *Sent:*Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:18 AM
>>
>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping
>>
>> So...
>>
>> Costco here looks like a prepper warehouse.   The entire back wall is 
>> paper towels/toilet paper which is pretty typical, although it has 
>> also spilled down both sides of the warehouse and all the empty spots 
>> seem to have a case of paper towels or toilet paper in it.  I'm 
>> guessing someone at costco corporate figured this out months ago and 
>> has started sending this stuff to all the warehouses.   We've just 
>> avoided the hysteria so far, but all it's going to take is a few cases 
>> in montana and I'm sure that they will sell all of this and more.
>>
>> Still plenty of water everywhere.   Safeway even had a 'must buy 3 to 
>> get the deal' special on water at the front door with a big pile of 
>> water.
>>
>> The only thing which is completely sold out everywhere is hand sanitizer.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 5:03 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>> >  
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present
>> situation.
>>
>> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf
>> goods, as I personally am looking at what I need to
>> reverse-quarantine myself here for a few weeks/months. But it's
>> going to be to go ahead and restock some stuff which has gotten low
>> in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town and largely working from
>> home pretty much means that you keep a well stocked pantry
>> regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may not
>> have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't
>> want to go into to town for a week or so).
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM >  
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.
>>
>> I have two wells.  Both solar powered.
>>
>> Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water
>>
>> Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease
>> working?
>>
>> -- AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com   
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
>> --
>> - Forrest
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> - Forrest
>>
>> -

Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Bill Prince]

  
  
All coronaviruses (coronavirusi?) mutate so rapidly that by the
  time anyone produces a vaccine, the original target will have
  evolved itself out of existence. That's at least part of the
  reason we still don't have a vaccine for the common cold (also
  from coronavirus family).

bp



On 3/4/2020 11:29 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
I thought the more aggressive strain was
  the original one though, so might not really be bad news.  Now
  we have COVID-19 Lite?  I would more ask does getting one
  confer immunity to the other, and what does this mean for
  vaccine development?
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Steven
  Kenney
  Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:16 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping
  

 

  
It
can continue in the body for 28 in some cases.  Some
people have recovered and then tested positive again
weeks later.  
  
  
 
  
  
Now
they've found a second strain which is more deadly. 
  
  
 
  
  
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8073543/TWO-strains-killer-coronavirus-spreading-study-claims.html
  
  
 
  
  
The coronavirus has
mutated into at least two separate strains since the
outbreak began in December, according to Chinese
scientists.
Researchers
say there are now two types of the same coronavirus
infecting people – and most people seem to have caught
the most aggressive form of it.
  
  
 
  
  
 
  
  
a 
  /runs with hands in the air
  
  
 
  
  
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Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)
  
  
 
  
  
  
  
From:
"Robert
Andrews" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 12:56:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping
  
  
 
  
  
Symptoms
show in as 4-14 days, contagious in as little as 15
hours.. 
Some reports as little as 5 hours but that would be way
too scary...

On 03/04/2020 08:52 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> RemindMe! 7 days
> 
> I doubt it's the WuFlu... it has an incubation
period of 4-14 days with 
> the initial symptoms being mild.
> 
> On 3/4/20 11:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Let’s hope it’s just regular flu.  Is she going
to get tested?  
>> Probably want to know in case other employees
need to self quarantine.
>>
>> My son is sick this morning, but that’s because
he’s a Bernie Bro.  No 
>> vaccine for that yet.
>>
>> *From:* AF 
*On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:52 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping
>>
>> My main production manager is sick this
morning.  She is the one that 
>> opened the PCBs from China a couple of days
ago...
>>
>> *From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>
>> *Sent:*Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:18 AM
>>
>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping
>>
>> So...
>>
>> Costco here looks like a prepper warehouse.  
The entire back wall is 
>> paper towels/toilet paper which is pretty
typical, although it has 
>> also spilled down both sides of the warehouse
and all the empty spots 
>> seem to have a case of paper towels or 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Darren Shea]

I’ve timed singing the chorus to Mr. Brightside in my head at 22 seconds, and 
singing it to myself won’t cause me to long for the sweet release of death as 
Baby Shark or Happy Birthday would.

 

Yet…

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2020 7:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

or four rounds of baby shark.

bp

 

On 3/1/2020 5:11 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

You have to sing 2 rounds of happy birthday when you wash your hands, fyi, 
otherwise the soap isnt really doimg anything. I found this out when i had c. 
Diff a couple months ago. I also would prefer kungflu over c diff.

 

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020, 7:08 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

They were reporting it in december, heavily

 

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020, 6:18 PM Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

I humbly disagree. 

 

I’ve been tracking this thing in China since it started in late December. 

 

I kept asking myself “why is the media NOT reporting on this?  They like to 
hype everything!”

 

 


On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:53 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote:

There are only a few things we know for sure.

1. It is already in the US
2. More people in the US will get it
3. More people in the US will die.

Anything other than this is pure speculation at this point.  We don't know 
anything about this virus.  Most everything I hear or read about this virus 
starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE".  But if you bother 
to listen or read the article, it always has "may" or "some experts".  The 
current official incubation period is 2-14 days, but hey lets just report 14 
days and base all our models on this and report it as the most likely scenario. 
 We don't know how long it lives on surfaces.  We don't know how it reacts to 
UV light.  We don't know how it will do in warm/humid conditions.

My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's),  This virus has been in the states 
before the first reported case.  People have had it and recovered thinking it 
was just the flu. Not everyone exposed is going to get it.  Not everyone who 
gets it is going to need to be hospitalized.  Not everyone who gets 
hospitalized will die.

The media once again is doing us a huge dis-service. They are hyping this thing 
 way out of proportion.  Was at Wal-mart yesterday. Every can of Lysol or Lysol 
type of product was gone.  Every package of disinfectant wipes were gone.  
Every bottle of any sized hand sanitizer, gone.  Crazy.  The closest reported 
"maybe" case is over 1300 miles away.  God forbid we get a reported case in 
Florida, what will happen then?  Going to start burning and looting?


--
Best regards,
Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  www.Myakka.com

--

Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote:


I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV or any podcasts or blogs. I do 
pay attention to as much scientifically-based information I can find though.
This is a pretty good synopsis on our current knowledge without any spin:
 

 
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you

bp


On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:



Nazis are socialists.  Bernie is a socialist.  Therefore Bernie is a Nazi.  So 
the Internet says.

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

thats the secret, remember russia shafted the nazis last time... russia is in 
asia, so russians are asians. Taking them out of the running too Weve said 
too much

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett <  
dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:


Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.

On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is obviously genetically designed 
to target Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections are asians. Obviously 
this is the resurgence of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a majority of the 
population so they can initiate another run at global domination. My neighbors 
mom, Karen told me that her friend, carols husband Brad told her that he heard 
that this is what brexit was all about. Germany and Great Britian are forming 
an alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there is a shadow government of guess 
what... Nazis.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett <  
dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:


You mean.Nazi's created Coronavirus?

On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> I'm waiting for Godwin...
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally ev

Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[chuck]

I had a bottle capping machine.  Carefully prying off the caps of an 8 pack of 
16 ounce cokes, you could pour out some of the coke and replace it with other 
substances.  Done carefully you could not detect the adulteration.  I was the 
cause of some sickness on busses at times...

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

I grew up in central Illinois (East Peoria). We had many field trips to Chicago 
or Saint Louis , both of which were close to a 4 hour drive (by old yellow 
school bus). I don't recall getting sick, except for maybe our chaperones.



bp


On 3/4/2020 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  When I was that age, an 8 hour bus ride would be enough to make me sick.

   

  Plus Disneyland.  Remember when Penny takes Sheldon to Disneyland and she 
doesn’t heed Leonard’s warning not to buy him a churro?

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:33 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

   

  2 day onset of symptoms

   

  Cdc issued guidance yesterday, any doctor csn order kungflu test

   

  On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 10:54 AM Craig Baird  wrote:

My daughter went to Disneyland last week for a few days with her high 
school music department.  She came down sick on the 8-hour bus ride home.  
Flu-like symptoms, and it came on quite suddenly, which made us think flu.  We 
took her to the doctor.  He ran flu and strep tests.  Both were negative.  He 
said, based on the symptoms and sudden onset, he thinks it's flu, despite the 
negative flu test.  He didn't even mention Coronavirus.  Seems to me like like 
a Coronavirus test would have been in order.  Although at our little small-town 
hospital, I'm sure they can't even run one.  If I'd been there, I'd have 
pressed him about it.  But my wife just deferred to the doctor's opinion.  He 
prescribed Tamiflu, and sent her on her way.  I hope he's right that it's flu, 
but it makes me wonder.  What if we're all walking around, unknowingly 
spreading it around town...

 

Craig

 

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:28 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Let’s hope it’s just regular flu.  Is she going to get tested?  Probably 
want to know in case other employees need to self quarantine.

   

  My son is sick this morning, but that’s because he’s a Bernie Bro.  No 
vaccine for that yet.

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:52 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

   

  My main production manager is sick this morning.  She is the one that 
opened the PCBs from China a couple of days ago...

   

  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

  Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:18 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

   

  So... 

   

  Costco here looks like a prepper warehouse.   The entire back wall is 
paper towels/toilet paper which is pretty typical, although it has also spilled 
down both sides of the warehouse and all the empty spots seem to have a case of 
paper towels or toilet paper in it.  I'm guessing someone at costco corporate 
figured this out months ago and has started sending this stuff to all the 
warehouses.   We've just avoided the hysteria so far, but all it's going to 
take is a few cases in montana and I'm sure that they will sell all of this and 
more.

   

  Still plenty of water everywhere.   Safeway even had a 'must buy 3 to get 
the deal' special on water at the front door with a big pile of water.

   

  The only thing which is completely sold out everywhere is hand sanitizer.

   

  -forrest

   

  On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 5:03 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present 
situation.

 

I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf goods, 
as I personally am looking at what I need to reverse-quarantine myself here for 
a few weeks/months. But it's going to be to go ahead and restock some stuff 
which has gotten low in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town and largely 
working from home pretty much means that you keep a well stocked pantry 
regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may not have, 
especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't want to go into to 
town for a week or so).

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:55 PM  wrote:

  I hear that Costco here sold out of water and toilet paper hoy.

   

  I have two wells.  Both solar powered.  

  Guess what, I can wash my a$$ with water

   

  Do people think the municipal water works are going to cease working?

Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

[Ken Hohhof]

Long article, lots of info, unless you distrust anything from the lying 
mainstream media:

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/4/21154590/coronavirus-vaccine-treatment-covid-19-drug-cure

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:34 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

 

All coronaviruses (coronavirusi?) mutate so rapidly that by the time anyone 
produces a vaccine, the original target will have evolved itself out of 
existence. That's at least part of the reason we still don't have a vaccine for 
the common cold (also from coronavirus family).

bp

 

On 3/4/2020 11:29 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I thought the more aggressive strain was the original one though, so might not 
really be bad news.  Now we have COVID-19 Lite?  I would more ask does getting 
one confer immunity to the other, and what does this mean for vaccine 
development?

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:16 PM
To: af   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

 

It can continue in the body for 28 in some cases.  Some people have recovered 
and then tested positive again weeks later.  

 

Now they've found a second strain which is more deadly. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8073543/TWO-strains-killer-coronavirus-spreading-study-claims.html

 

The   coronavirus has 
mutated into at least two separate strains since the outbreak began in 
December, according to Chinese scientists.

Researchers say there are now two types of the same coronavirus infecting 
people – and most people seem to have caught the most aggressive form of it.

 

 

a/runs with hands in the air

 

-- 
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

 


  _  


From: "Robert Andrews" mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> >
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 12:56:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping

 

Symptoms show in as 4-14 days, contagious in as little as 15 hours.. 
Some reports as little as 5 hours but that would be way too scary...

On 03/04/2020 08:52 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> RemindMe! 7 days
> 
> I doubt it's the WuFlu... it has an incubation period of 4-14 days with 
> the initial symptoms being mild.
> 
> On 3/4/20 11:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Let’s hope it’s just regular flu.  Is she going to get tested?  
>> Probably want to know in case other employees need to self quarantine.
>>
>> My son is sick this morning, but that’s because he’s a Bernie Bro.  No 
>> vaccine for that yet.
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On 
>> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com  
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:52 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >  >
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping
>>
>> My main production manager is sick this morning.  She is the one that 
>> opened the PCBs from China a couple of days ago...
>>
>> *From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>
>> *Sent:*Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:18 AM
>>
>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT prepping
>>
>> So...
>>
>> Costco here looks like a prepper warehouse.   The entire back wall is 
>> paper towels/toilet paper which is pretty typical, although it has 
>> also spilled down both sides of the warehouse and all the empty spots 
>> seem to have a case of paper towels or toilet paper in it.  I'm 
>> guessing someone at costco corporate figured this out months ago and 
>> has started sending this stuff to all the warehouses.   We've just 
>> avoided the hysteria so far, but all it's going to take is a few cases 
>> in montana and I'm sure that they will sell all of this and more.
>>
>> Still plenty of water everywhere.   Safeway even had a 'must buy 3 to 
>> get the deal' special on water at the front door with a big pile of 
>> water.
>>
>> The only thing which is completely sold out everywhere is hand sanitizer.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 5:03 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>> >  
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure why the water.   That is odd for the present
>> situation.
>>
>> I can definitely see the toilet paper, and other long-term shelf
>> goods, as I personally am looking at what I need to
>> reverse-quarantine myself here for a few weeks/months. But it's
>> going to be to go ahead and restock some stuff which has gotten low
>> in the pantry (living 20 miles out of town and largely working from
>> home pretty much means that you keep a well stocked pantry
>> regardless of any personal prepper tendencies you may or may not
>> have, especially since a bad winter storm can mean that you don't
>> want to go into to town for

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

He died this morning. You will probably see it in the news. He did have 
what they called "multiple competing mortalities".


bp


On 3/3/2020 7:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.

-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu


This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a
cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has
COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.


bp


On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to 
prevent you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in 
public. If you want to get the R0 (R naught) below two and get ahead 
of this you _must_ stop people from passing.    Part of the reason 
not to touch is also to keep people from picking it up on surfaces as 
there is a pretty good body of evidence that it lasts multiple days 
on paper and plastic and 1-2 days on everything else.  YES UV helps 
but this is a much tougher little bugger than the common flu..


On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if 
you ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks 
don't really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the 
virus in.



bp


On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.

Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't 
have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  
What the heck?


--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

 


*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the 
term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying 
US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as 
airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not 
much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open 
up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese 
weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a 
field hospital. Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the 
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A 
hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, 
eliminating capacity. With the coronavirus what I suspect we need 
to guard against is infecting all the hospital staff and first 
responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to be happening 
with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters 
are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that 
facility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


    Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
    COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

    If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
    the end.

    bp

    


    On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

    Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
    tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
    baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
    cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
    they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
    cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

    *From:* AF 
     *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
    *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
    *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

    You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
    preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.

    Just a hypothesis.

    On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

    i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
    most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
    minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal
    tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have
    the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
    understood why people on the right get very nervous about
    these things. a lot like devout christians worying about
    end times and rapture.

    

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[chuck]

Condolences.  Any idea where he got it?

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 4:16 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

He died this morning. You will probably see it in the news. He did have
what they called "multiple competing mortalities".

bp


On 3/3/2020 7:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.

-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu


This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a
cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has
COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.


bp


On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to prevent 
you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in public. If 
you want to get the R0 (R naught) below two and get ahead of this you 
_must_ stop people from passing.Part of the reason not to touch is 
also to keep people from picking it up on surfaces as there is a pretty 
good body of evidence that it lasts multiple days on paper and plastic 
and 1-2 days on everything else.  YES UV helps but this is a much tougher 
little bugger than the common flu..


On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if you 
ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks don't 
really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in.



bp


On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.

Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have 
a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What the 
heck?


--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)



*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the 
term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, 
aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge 
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more 
facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid 
with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital. 
Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first 
page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is worse 
because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. 
With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is 
infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get 
quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in 
Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a 
precaution because they had been to that facility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
the end.

bp




On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.

Just a hypothesis.

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal
tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have
the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Ken Hohhof]

Sorry to hear that.  I saw a news report this morning that seemed to line up 
and was afraid it was your relative.  Report I think said something about a 
cruise to Mexico.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 5:26 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Condolences.  Any idea where he got it?

-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 4:16 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

He died this morning. You will probably see it in the news. He did have what 
they called "multiple competing mortalities".

bp


On 3/3/2020 7:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a 
> cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he 
> has COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to 
>> prevent you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in 
>> public. If you want to get the R0 (R naught) below two and get ahead of this 
>> you
>> _must_ stop people from passing.Part of the reason not to touch is 
>> also to keep people from picking it up on surfaces as there is a 
>> pretty good body of evidence that it lasts multiple days on paper and 
>> plastic and 1-2 days on everything else.  YES UV helps but this is a 
>> much tougher little bugger than the common flu..
>>
>> On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if 
>>> you ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks 
>>> don't really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
 Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.

 Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't 
 have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  
 What the heck?

 --
 Steven Kenney
 Network Operations Manager
 WaveDirect Telecommunications
 http://www.wavedirect.net
 (519)737-WAVE (9283)

 ---
 -

 *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
 *To: *"af" 
 *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the 
 term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying 
 US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as 
 airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not 
 much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open 
 up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese 
 weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a field 
 hospital.
 Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!

 I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the 
 first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A 
 hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, 
 eliminating capacity.
 With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is 
 infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get 
 quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home 
 in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a 
 precaution because they had been to that facility.

 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
 enough patients

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince >>> > wrote:

 Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
 COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

 If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
 the end.

 bp

 


 On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
 tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
 baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
 cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
 they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
 cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

 *From:* AF 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

We think he got it on the cruise ship. From what I'm hearing, he's been 
in the hospital for at least 4 days. Princess cruise from San Francisco 
to Mexico.


I don't have the whole story, as he was married 4 times, and my wife's 
sister was #1. I'm kind of getting it from what she tells me after 
talking to her sister. The neph went to Sacto (Roseville actually) late 
last night. He wasn't able to get to the hospital before he passed. They 
probably would not have let him near him anyway.



bp


On 3/4/2020 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Condolences. Any idea where he got it?

-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 4:16 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

He died this morning. You will probably see it in the news. He did have
what they called "multiple competing mortalities".

bp


On 3/3/2020 7:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.

-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu


This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a
cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has
COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.


bp


On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to 
prevent you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in 
public. If you want to get the R0 (R naught) below two and get ahead 
of this you _must_ stop people from passing.    Part of the reason 
not to touch is also to keep people from picking it up on surfaces 
as there is a pretty good body of evidence that it lasts multiple 
days on paper and plastic and 1-2 days on everything else.  YES UV 
helps but this is a much tougher little bugger than the common flu..


On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say 
if you ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that 
masks don't really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping 
the virus in.



bp


On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.

Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't 
have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an 
event?  What the heck?


--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

 



*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard 
the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was 
saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same 
way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that 
there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at 
ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  
The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly 
creating a field hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the 
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A 
hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and 
pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the coronavirus what I 
suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital 
staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears 
to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  
25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they 
had been to that facility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont 
have enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


    Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
    COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

    If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
    the end.

    bp

    


    On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

    Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
    tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
    baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
    cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end 
times,

    they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
    cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

    *From:* AF 
     *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
    *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
    *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

Did this cruise not get quarantined?

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 8:43 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> We think he got it on the cruise ship. From what I'm hearing, he's been
> in the hospital for at least 4 days. Princess cruise from San Francisco
> to Mexico.
>
> I don't have the whole story, as he was married 4 times, and my wife's
> sister was #1. I'm kind of getting it from what she tells me after
> talking to her sister. The neph went to Sacto (Roseville actually) late
> last night. He wasn't able to get to the hospital before he passed. They
> probably would not have let him near him anyway.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/4/2020 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Condolences. Any idea where he got it?
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 4:16 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >
> > He died this morning. You will probably see it in the news. He did have
> > what they called "multiple competing mortalities".
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 3/3/2020 7:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >> Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation home.
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>
> >>
> >> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a
> >> cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has
> >> COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> >>> Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to
> >>> prevent you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in
> >>> public. If you want to get the R0 (R naught) below two and get ahead
> >>> of this you _must_ stop people from passing.Part of the reason
> >>> not to touch is also to keep people from picking it up on surfaces
> >>> as there is a pretty good body of evidence that it lasts multiple
> >>> days on paper and plastic and 1-2 days on everything else.  YES UV
> >>> helps but this is a much tougher little bugger than the common flu..
> >>>
> >>> On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>  The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say
>  if you ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that
>  masks don't really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping
>  the virus in.
> 
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
>  On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> > Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
> >
> > Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't
> > have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an
> > event?  What the heck?
> >
> > --
> > Steven Kenney
> > Network Operations Manager
> > WaveDirect Telecommunications
> > http://www.wavedirect.net
> > (519)737-WAVE (9283)
> >
> >
> 
> >
> >
> > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> > *To: *"af" 
> > *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >
> > Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
> > the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was
> > saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
> > way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
> > there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at
> > ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.
> > The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly
> > creating a field hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out!
> >
> > I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
> > first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A
> > hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
> > pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the coronavirus what I
> > suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
> > staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears
> > to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.
> > 25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they
> > had been to that facility.
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> > *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >
> > Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont
> > have enough patients
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  > > wrote:
> >
> > Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
> > COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
> >
> > If I smok

Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

[Steve Jones]

What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label that
well?

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these?  And why just antennas
> with no radios?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
>
>
>
> second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up, maybe
> 4'x6' antenna
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago that used
> large panels like that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Excellent.  The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being
> installed.  The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I
> thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at.
>
>
>
> So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA project
> fiber built with BTOP funding?
>
>
>
> I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are.  I know
> cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big
> before.  I keep worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
>
>
>
> You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the only significant
> network that's anywhere near there. Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to
> Rock Falls, but they're not selling to others.
>
>
>
> Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA. Vertical yellow on
> the right is Windstream. Blue is PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that
> never happened.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
>
> If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower.  Quite low on the
> tower, I assume because the tower couldn’t handle the windload otherwise.
>
>
>
> I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to University then
> crossed the tracks to Preserve.  Also I seem to remember some telco carrier
> like Windstream or CenturyLink trying to sell me fiber transport and
> checking towers that were on their network.  I remember there was one south
> of Hinckley.  I could be confusing the Kane Rd. tower with the one at
> Leland Rd.  Which BTW is a weird tower.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
>
>
>
> Sprint and US Cellular are there. T-Mobile is down on University Rd. I
> don't have accurate information for AT&T and Verizon for that area. It does
> look like there are three carriers on those two towers, so one of those two
> is likely there.
>
>
>
> Anything at that site is going to be using Frontier or DATA for fiber,
> likely DATA. CenturyLink has some tollway IRUs and then a DeKalb - Dixon -
> Galesburg route mostly along country roads. Sprint is along UPRR. MCI is in
> a pipeline that goes underneath my farm from St. Charles to Maple Park to
> my farm to SW of Shabbona. AT&T goes from Plano to DeKalb to Rockford.
> Windstream and PEG Bandwidth\Uniti\BlueBird has some laterals off of DATA
> fiber. That might be it for anything remotely close to there.
>
>
>
> Sprint is on the south tower per a tower map I have of theirs. US Cellular
> is on the North tower, per ULS. Which tower was it on?
>
>
>
> Looks like my CCIsites account expired. Sometimes the site diagrams say
> who is on the tower. That might clue in who the other carrier is on that
> tower.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I have no idea. I'm getting this 3rd or 4th hand. 

His (current) wife was with him & I don't know where she is.


bp



On 3/4/2020 6:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:


  
  Did this cruise not get quarantined?
  
  
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 8:43 PM
  Bill Prince  wrote:

We think he
  got it on the cruise ship. From what I'm hearing, he's been 
  in the hospital for at least 4 days. Princess cruise from San
  Francisco 
  to Mexico.
  
  I don't have the whole story, as he was married 4 times, and
  my wife's 
  sister was #1. I'm kind of getting it from what she tells me
  after 
  talking to her sister. The neph went to Sacto (Roseville
  actually) late 
  last night. He wasn't able to get to the hospital before he
  passed. They 
  probably would not have let him near him anyway.
  
  
  bp
  
  
  On 3/4/2020 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:
  > Condolences. Any idea where he got it?
  >
  > -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
  > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 4:16 PM
  > To: af@af.afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
  >
  > He died this morning. You will probably see it in the
  news. He did have
  > what they called "multiple competing mortalities".
  >
  > bp
  > 
  >
  > On 3/3/2020 7:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:
  >> Wow, that is sad.  Really brings the whole situation
  home.
  >>
  >> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
  >> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
  >> To: af@af.afmug.com
  >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
  >>
  >>
  >> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just
  came back from a
  >> cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento.
  We've been told he has
  >> COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in
  his mid 70s.
  >>
  >>
  >> bp
  >> 
  >>
  >> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
  >>> Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths
  going down ) to 
  >>> prevent you from touching mouth or nose and
  goggles for eyes, if in 
  >>> public. If you want to get the R0 (R naught)
  below two and get ahead 
  >>> of this you _must_ stop people from passing.   
  Part of the reason 
  >>> not to touch is also to keep people from picking
  it up on surfaces 
  >>> as there is a pretty good body of evidence that
  it lasts multiple 
  >>> days on paper and plastic and 1-2 days on
  everything else.  YES UV 
  >>> helps but this is a much tougher little bugger
  than the common flu..
  >>>
  >>> On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
   The advice is that masks don't really protect
  you. OTOH, they say 
   if you ARE infected that you should wear a
  mask. The idea is that 
   masks don't really keep the virus out, but
  they can help in keeping 
   the virus in.
  
  
   bp
   
  
   On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
  > Surgeon General tells people not to buy
  masks.
  >
  > Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready"
  country in the world doesn't 
  > have a 6 month supply of masks in storage
  ready for such an 
  > event?  What the heck?
  >
  > -- 
  > Steven Kenney
  > Network Operations Manager
  > WaveDirect Telecommunications
  > http://www.wavedirect.net
  > (519)737-WAVE (9283)
  >
  >
  
  
  >
  >
  > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
  > *To: *"af" 
  > *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
  > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
  >
  > Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for
  the first time I heard 
  > the term “surge capacity” applied to
  hospital beds. Person was 
  > saying US healthcare industry has made
  hospitals efficient same 
  > way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds,
  with the result that 
  > there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s
  hope somebody’

Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

[Nate Burke]

See, back about 1000 years ago, they made cameras that, believe it or 
not, that's all they did, they couldn't even play games.  But these 
ancient 'Cameras' had special tunable filters and were able to bend and 
modify beams of light to make far away objects appear closer, all 
without the help of any computer aided 'software'


I have an SX40 camera that's about 5 years old now, 32x optical Zoom, It 
can take very clear pictures of equipment on the tower from the ground.


On 3/4/2020 10:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label 
that well?


On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these?  And why just
antennas with no radios?

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up,
maybe 4'x6' antenna

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago
that used large panels like that.

Sent from my iPhone



On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:



Excellent.  The blue line goes to the tower with the giant
panels being installed.  The yellow line about a mile east
goes to the tower that I thought Windstream said was VZW
and they could get me fiber at.

So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off
the DATA project fiber built with BTOP funding?

I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3
are.  I know cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I
haven’t seen them that big before.  I keep worrying that
LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the
only significant network that's anywhere near there. Well,
ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to Rock Falls, but they're not
selling to others.

Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA.
Vertical yellow on the right is Windstream. Blue is
PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that never happened.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 








*From: *"Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

If I’m remembering right, it was on the south tower. 
Quite low on the tower, I assume because the tower

couldn’t handle the windload otherwise.

I thought the DATA project BTOP fiber went down Duffy to
University then crossed the tracks to Preserve.  Also I
seem to remember some telco carrier like Windstream or
CenturyLink trying to sell me fiber transport and checking
towers that were on their network. I remember there was
one south of Hinckley.  I could be confusing the Kane Rd.
tower with the one at Leland Rd.  Which BTW is a weird tower.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

Sprint and US Cellular are there. T-Mobile is down on
University Rd. I don't have accurate information for AT&T
and Verizon for that