Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

[Gino A. Villarini]

A little on the expensive side but has all you need:

https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu




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From: AF  on behalf of Sterling Jacobson 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 1:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like this.

Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have assumed 
they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I would assume 
it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like 60-70v for a 
short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.


On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.  Meanwell 
has a good selection.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.
Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe even 
just 50v?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google, it's 
like 50% less

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable via 
the battery chemistry

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Ok, cool.

So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v?

There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah batteries for a 
48v string

ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside
ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring

Or

Alternativly;

48v din mount PSU
48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
OR
48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5 cheaper 
options available)

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our house POP sites and need help 
with the DIN stuff and UPS.

Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following?

I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box.
And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A up the side 
of the house.

I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I don’t have to use DIN, but 
would be nice.

Having a problem finding a DC to DC converter that takes 12v and upconverts to 
50v 5-6A.

Is this the cost effective method? Something like this:

Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II SMON Base II
 1.00$100.00$100.00
UPS Monitor  Sitemonitor Int MorningStar MeterBus  SMON MorningStar 
1.00$60.00 $60.00
UPS Charge MorningStar Sunsaver Dual
  1.00$165.00$165.00
Battery AGM Deep Cycle 105AH NPP FT12-105AH 
  2.00$225.00$450.00
DIN Parts like DC fuse/breakers and trunk stuff 
 1.00$100.00$100.00
DC 12v to 50v

Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

[Adam Moffett]

The MUX's I was looking at used two fibers.  Are there MUX's that use a 
single fiber?


On 6/19/2019 2:40 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:

Since you have two fibers, put your PON on one fiber and your DWDM on the 
other. Simpler and gives you separation between your consumer traffic and 
Ethernet services.


Jared
  
  


Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019.
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

Trying to understand my options is all.

We're getting an IRU for 2 fibers.  I'll need several ethernet paths along that 
dark fiber so I'm looking at WDM.  There's a spot in the middle where I could 
break out and serve about 50 households.   I *could* build an active POP site 
there, but that's tough to fund.  I *could* get a 3rd fiber for PON.  I *could* 
get a 96 channel mux and run ActiveE to each household.  All those options 
sound like different kinds of suck, so hence wondering if GPON can coexist with 
ethernet and WDM.

Sounds like yeah as long as we get the right stuff.

-Adam

  
On 6/18/2019 2:30 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:

You need single fiber DWDM.   Adam, could you diagram out what your trying to 
do?

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 1:22 PM Louis Arsenault 
mailto:lo...@ntinet.com]> wrote:
NM. you said DWDM. Try this one?
  
https://www.fs.com/products/70411.html[https://www.fs.com/products/70411.html]


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:17 PM Louis Arsenault 
mailto:lo...@ntinet.com]> wrote:
I am new to this stuff as well, I am thinking you are looking for something 
like this:
https://www.fs.com/products/73961.html[https://www.fs.com/products/73961.html]

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 11:57 AM Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com]> wrote:I have seen this application on 
slides at Calex shows.  It may take more
than one mux and it might even take some kind of directional coupler, but
they do show how you can mix PON and non PON traffic.

-Original Message-
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com[mailto:af@af.afmug.com]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

So it's a feature on some MUX's?  Do you know a brand I should look at
for this?
I suppose they must also have an OADM that pulls out just the GPON
wavelengths.



On 6/18/2019 11:20 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yes. But the mux selection will have to be carefully thought through.
-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019
8:35 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] GPON and
DWDM on same fiber?
Can I run GPON on the same fiber with a WDM MUX?  It looks like the GPON
wavelengths are above and below the DWDM channels, so I'm imagining it
would work, but I don't know jack about jack.

-Adam




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Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

[Adam Moffett]

Meanwell RSD-300C-48 makes a 48V output from any input from 33-62v. Up 
to 6A output.
Maybe the Ubiquiti switch you mention is special in some way, but in my 
experience the 48v and 54v equipment are really the same thing. Voltage 
varies for any number of reasons, so the device should have an upper and 
lower bound of acceptable voltage, and if something is stated to be 
"48v" or "54v" you tend to find deeper in the specs that they're both 
accepting a range from 40 something to 50 something.



On 6/19/2019 1:19 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something 
like this.


Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have 
assumed they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently 
I would assume it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe 
more like 60-70v for a short duration. But yeah, DC-DC converter is 
the fix.


On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like
that.  Meanwell has a good selection.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.

Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v,
or maybe even just 50v?

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see
on google, it's like 50% less

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's
also adjustable via the battery chemistry

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

Ok, cool.

So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v
instead of just 48v?

There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery
use 4x50ah batteries for a 48v string

ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if
batt's outside
ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring

Or

Alternativly;

48v din mount PSU
48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
OR
48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger
(i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5 cheaper options available)

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
wrote:

I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our
house POP sites and need help with the DIN stuff
and UPS.

Can you guys give me an idea or example of the
following?

I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker
outside the box.

And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM
batteries, supply 50v 6A up the side of the house.

I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I
don’t have to use DIN, but would be nice.

Having a problem finding a DC to DC converter that
takes 12v and upconverts to 50v 5-6A.

Is this the cost effective method? Something like
this:

Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II SMON Base II
1.00    $100.00    $100.00

UPS Monitor  Sitemonitor Int MorningStar
MeterBus  SMON MorningStar 1.00    $60.00
    $60.00

UPS Charge MorningStar Sunsaver Dual
1.00    $165.00    $165.00

Battery AGM Deep Cycle 105AH NPP FT12-105AH
2.00    $225.00    $450.00

  

Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

[fiberrun]

> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?
>
> The MUX's I was looking at used two fibers.  Are there MUX's that use a 
> single fiber?
  Yes. Select "Single fiber" in the "Line Type" dropdown if you use FS or 
google "single fiber DWDM mux $VENDOR" if you don't.


Jared

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Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

[Ken Hohhof]

Sean, what do you find is the advantage of the CAT6-APC over the GIGE-APC-HV?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

 

Hi Eric,

 

yes the new Cat6 gas tube version is what we use for 450i and 450m

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 12:46 PM Eric Muehleisen mailto:ericm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What surge arrestors are you using with the 450m 5ghz? Is that the new CAT6 gas 
tube version?

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 12:44 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

Here's the equipment box we just rebuilt for one of our larger tower sites.  A 
special shout out and big thanks to both McCowen Tech for the ground cards and 
Packetflux for the amazingly awesome Rack Injectors!!!  

 

the other equipment is: 

Planet GS-5220-48T4X switch 

Mikrotik CCR

600Watt power supply for Rack Injector (will be adding a second to load balance)

Dataprobe iBoot PDU

fan tray

 

this site has these radios:

2 x 5GHz 450m

9 x 5GHz 450i

3 x 5GHz 450

1 x 3GHz 450m

3 x 3GHz 450 (1 is being replaced by the 450m)

 

Siklu EH-8010FX (10Gbps backhaul)

SAF Integra-W 18GHz (650Mbps backhaul - backup)

 



 

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Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

[Josh Baird]

Note that these are -48VDC (I say this because most WISP applications are
+48VDC except for some licensed microwave typically).  It's also de-rated @
48V/110VAC.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:16 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> A little on the expensive side but has all you need:
>
>
>
>
> https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino*
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> *From: *AF  on behalf of Sterling Jacobson <
> sterl...@avative.net>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 1:20 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like
> this.
>
>
>
> Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have
> assumed they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I
> would assume it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like
> 60-70v for a short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.
>
>
> On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.
> Meanwell has a good selection.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.
>
> Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe
> even just 50v?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google,
> it's like 50% less
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable
> via the battery chemistry
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Ok, cool.
>
>
>
> So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v?
>
>
>
> There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> 12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah batteries
> for a 48v string
>
> ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
> ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside
> ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
> SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring
>
> Or
>
> Alternativly;
>
> 48v din mount PSU
> 48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
> OR
> 48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5
> cheaper options available)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our house POP sites and need
> help with the DIN stuff and UPS.
>
>
>
> Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following?
>
>
>
> I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box.
>
> And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A up the
> side of the house.
>
>
>
> I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I don’t have to use DIN,
> but would be nice.
>
>
>
> Having a problem finding a DC to DC converter that takes 12v and
> upconverts to 50v 5-6A.
>
>
>
> Is this the cost effective method? Something like this:
>
>
>
> Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II SMON Base II
> 1.00$100.00
>$100.00
>
> UPS Monitor  Sitemonitor Int MorningStar MeterBus  SMON
> MorningStar 1.00$60.00 $60.00
>
> UPS Charge MorningStar Sunsaver Dual
> 1.00$165.00
>$165.00
>
> Battery AGM Deep Cycle 105AH NPP FT12-105AH
> 2.00$225.00
>$450.00
>
> DIN Parts like DC fuse/breakers and trunk
> stuff
> 1.00

Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

[Bill Prince]

  
  
You need 5 amps at 50 volts from a 12V supply? That's 250 watts.
  Asking for a 12V/20amp supply is asking a lot.


bp



On 6/18/2019 10:19 PM, Sterling
  Jacobson wrote:


  
  
  
  
Having a
hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something
like this.
 
Which
Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?
 

  
From: AF

On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
  

 
That's weird
  to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have
  assumed they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and
  consequently I would assume it'd be ok up to at least 56v
  continuous; and maybe more like 60-70v for a short duration. 
  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.
  
  

  On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett
wrote:


  

  You need to use a DC-DC converter for
sensitive equipment like that.  Meanwell has a good
selection.

  
  
 

  
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM
  Sterling Jacobson 
  wrote:
  
  

  
Apparently
  the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.
Is
  there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge
  above 54v, or maybe even just 50v?
  


  
 
From:
  AF 
  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
  Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC
  conversion
 

  contact
talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what
you see on google, it's like 50% less

 

  
On
  Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout 
  wrote:
  
  

  all
48v systems for battery power will float at
54v, it's also adjustable via the battery
chemistry 

 

  
On
  Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling
  Jacobson 
  wrote:
  
  

  
Ok,
  cool.
 
So
  can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to
  output 50v instead of just 48v?
 
There
  will be some loss going 100’  or so,
  right?
 
 
From:
  AF 
  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
  Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019
  4:23 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
  Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC
  to DC conversion
 

  12-54v
is inefficient, if you want 200ah of
battery use 4x50ah batteries for a
48v string

ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD +
Charger
I

Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

[Mike Hammett]

Well it's Ubiquiti so... 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:20:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion 

That's weird to me. Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have assumed 
they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I would assume 
it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like 60-70v for a 
short duration. But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix. 



On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: 




You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that. Meanwell 
has a good selection. 



On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > 
wrote: 





Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v. 
Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe even 
just 50v? 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion 


contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google, it's 
like 50% less 



On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 



all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable via 
the battery chemistry 



On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > 
wrote: 




Ok, cool. 

So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v? 

There will be some loss going 100’ or so, right? 


From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion 


12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah batteries for a 
48v string 

ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger 
ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside 
ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket 
SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring 

Or 

Alternativly; 

48v din mount PSU 
48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD 
OR 
48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5 cheaper 
options available) 



On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > 
wrote: 




I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our house POP sites and need help 
with the DIN stuff and UPS. 

Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following? 

I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box. 
And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A up the side 
of the house. 

I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I don’t have to use DIN, but 
would be nice. 

Having a problem finding a DC to DC converter that takes 12v and upconverts to 
50v 5-6A. 

Is this the cost effective method? Something like this: 

Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II SMON Base II 1.00 $100.00 $100.00 
UPS Monitor Sitemonitor Int MorningStar MeterBus SMON MorningStar 1.00 $60.00 
$60.00 
UPS Charge MorningStar Sunsaver Dual 1.00 $165.00 $165.00 
Battery AGM Deep Cycle 105AH NPP FT12-105AH 2.00 $225.00 $450.00 
DIN Parts like DC fuse/breakers and trunk stuff 1.00 $100.00 $100.00 
DC 12v to 50v 5A 1.00 $150.00 $150.00 
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Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, I would want to run the batteries at at least 24v (which is simple
enough if you're using two 12v batteries anyway).

Lots of different ways to do this... the simplest way would probably be
Traco TSP-BCM48 paired with whatever 48v DIN rail power supply (there are
several different options that would work from Traco or Meanwell), and
connect it to a SiteMonitor Base for monitoring.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 8:26 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> You need 5 amps at 50 volts from a 12V supply? That's 250 watts. Asking
> for a 12V/20amp supply is asking a lot.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 6/18/2019 10:19 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>
> Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like
> this.
>
>
>
> Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have
> assumed they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I
> would assume it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like
> 60-70v for a short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.
>
> On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.
> Meanwell has a good selection.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.
>
> Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe
> even just 50v?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google,
> it's like 50% less
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable
> via the battery chemistry
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Ok, cool.
>
>
>
> So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v?
>
>
>
> There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> 12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah batteries
> for a 48v string
>
> ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
> ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside
> ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
> SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring
>
> Or
>
> Alternativly;
>
> 48v din mount PSU
> 48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
> OR
> 48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5
> cheaper options available)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our house POP sites and need
> help with the DIN stuff and UPS.
>
>
>
> Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following?
>
>
>
> I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box.
>
> And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A up the
> side of the house.
>
>
>
> I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I don’t have to use DIN,
> but would be nice.
>
>
>
> Having a problem finding a DC to DC converter that takes 12v and
> upconverts to 50v 5-6A.
>
>
>
> Is this the cost effective method? Something like this:
>
>
>
> Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II SMON Base II
> 1.00$100.00
>$100.00
>
> UPS Monitor  Sitemonitor Int MorningStar MeterBus  SMON
> MorningStar 1.00$60.00 $60.00
>
> UPS Charge MorningStar Sunsaver Dual
> 1.00$165.00
>$165.00
>
> Battery AGM Deep Cycle 105AH NPP FT12-105AH
> 2.00$225.00
>$450.00
>
> DIN Parts like DC fuse/breakers and trunk
> stuff
> 1.00$100.00$100.00
>
> DC 12v to 50v 5A
>
> 1.00$150.00$150.00
>
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Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

[Mathew Howard]

If you wanted to do it cheap, you could do it this way:

Meanwell NDR-240-24 ~ $50
Meanwell DR-UPS40 ~$40
Meanwell DDR-240B-48 ~$80
2x 12v AGM batteries connected in series to the DR-UPS-40

But that's all only 240 watts (5 amps), if you really need 6A, you'd need
to jump to a larger power supply, and use two of the DDR-240B-48's in
parallel (they're designed to be used that way).

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 8:35 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, I would want to run the batteries at at least 24v (which is simple
> enough if you're using two 12v batteries anyway).
>
> Lots of different ways to do this... the simplest way would probably be
> Traco TSP-BCM48 paired with whatever 48v DIN rail power supply (there are
> several different options that would work from Traco or Meanwell), and
> connect it to a SiteMonitor Base for monitoring.
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 8:26 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> You need 5 amps at 50 volts from a 12V supply? That's 250 watts. Asking
>> for a 12V/20amp supply is asking a lot.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 6/18/2019 10:19 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>>
>> Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like
>> this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>>
>>
>>
>> That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have
>> assumed they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I
>> would assume it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like
>> 60-70v for a short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.
>>
>> On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>
>> You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.
>> Meanwell has a good selection.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.
>>
>> Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe
>> even just 50v?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>>
>>
>>
>> contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google,
>> it's like 50% less
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>> all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable
>> via the battery chemistry
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, cool.
>>
>>
>>
>> So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v?
>>
>>
>>
>> There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>>
>>
>>
>> 12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah batteries
>> for a 48v string
>>
>> ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
>> ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside
>> ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
>> SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring
>>
>> Or
>>
>> Alternativly;
>>
>> 48v din mount PSU
>> 48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
>> OR
>> 48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5
>> cheaper options available)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our house POP sites and
>> need help with the DIN stuff and UPS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following?
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box.
>>
>> And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A up the
>> side of the house.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I don’t have to use DIN,
>> but would be nice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Having a problem finding a DC to DC converter that takes 12v and
>> upconverts to 50v 5-6A.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is this the cost effective method? Something like this:
>>
>>
>>
>> Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II SMON Base II
>> 1.00$100.00
>>$100.00
>>
>> UPS Monitor  Sitemonitor Int MorningStar MeterBus  SMON
>> MorningStar 1.00$60.00 $60.00
>>
>> UPS Charge MorningStar Sunsaver Dual
>> 1.00$165.00
>>$165.00
>>
>> Battery AGM Deep Cycle 105AH NPP FT12-105AH
>> 2.00$225.00
>>$450.00
>>
>> DIN Parts like DC fuse/breakers and trunk
>> stuff
>> 1.00$100.00$100.00
>>
>> DC 12v to 50v 5A
>>
>> 1.00$150.00   

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Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

[Ken Hohhof]

I forget, is this an existing already built site, or a new one you’re 
designing?  I agree with Bill, anything over 50 to 100 watts I would be 
designing with a 48V battery string, which means 56 volts.  If one odd piece of 
gear needs regulated 48V, or the opposite polarity from everything else, then 
use a DC-DC converter.  I wouldn’t generate 54V, surely that Ubiquiti thingy 
will run on regulated 48V if it isn’t spec’d up to 60V.  Nothing needs exactly 
54V.

 

In addition to the heavy wires and conversion losses trying to get that much 
power at 12V,  consider battery runtime.  A 100 Ah battery is 1200 watt-hours.  
With 250 watts of load, that’s 5 hours, probably half that after factoring in 
LVD and conversion losses.  So if the site actually draws that much power, 
you’re going to need more batteries anyway.  Put 4 of those 100 Ah batteries in 
series.  If you really just need a couple hours runtime, I have a lot of 
smaller sites built with 4 x 22 Ah batteries in series and a Traco TSP-BCM48.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:26 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

 

You need 5 amps at 50 volts from a 12V supply? That's 250 watts. Asking for a 
12V/20amp supply is asking a lot.

 

bp

 

On 6/18/2019 10:19 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like this.

 

Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

 

That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have assumed 
they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I would assume 
it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like 60-70v for a 
short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.




On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.  Meanwell 
has a good selection.

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote:

Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.

Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe even 
just 50v?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

 

contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google, it's 
like 50% less

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:

all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable via 
the battery chemistry 

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote:

Ok, cool.

 

So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v?

 

There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

 

12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah batteries for a 
48v string

ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside
ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring

Or

Alternativly;

48v din mount PSU
48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
OR
48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5 cheaper 
options available)

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote:

I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our house POP sites and need help 
with the DIN stuff and UPS.

 

Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following?

 

I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box.

And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A up the side 
of the house.

 

I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I don’t have to use DIN, but 
would be nice.

 

Having a problem finding a DC to DC converter that takes 12v and upconverts to 
50v 5-6A.

 

Is this the cost effective method? Something like this:

 

Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II SMON Base II
 1.00$100.00$100.00 

UPS Monitor  Sitemonitor Int MorningStar MeterBus  SMON MorningStar 
1.00$60.00 $60.00 

UPS Charge MorningStar Sunsaver Dual
  1.00$165.00
$165.00 

Battery AGM Deep Cycle 105AH NPP FT12-105AH 
  

Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

[Sterling Jacobson]

That’s probably the way to go.
My calculations come out to max 4.6A so it will probably work.

And I site monitor setup to monitor it?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

If you wanted to do it cheap, you could do it this way:

Meanwell NDR-240-24 ~ $50
Meanwell DR-UPS40 ~$40
Meanwell DDR-240B-48 ~$80
2x 12v AGM batteries connected in series to the DR-UPS-40

But that's all only 240 watts (5 amps), if you really need 6A, you'd need to 
jump to a larger power supply, and use two of the DDR-240B-48's in parallel 
(they're designed to be used that way).

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 8:35 AM Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yeah, I would want to run the batteries at at least 24v (which is simple enough 
if you're using two 12v batteries anyway).

Lots of different ways to do this... the simplest way would probably be Traco 
TSP-BCM48 paired with whatever 48v DIN rail power supply (there are several 
different options that would work from Traco or Meanwell), and connect it to a 
SiteMonitor Base for monitoring.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 8:26 AM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You need 5 amps at 50 volts from a 12V supply? That's 250 watts. Asking for a 
12V/20amp supply is asking a lot.



bp




On 6/18/2019 10:19 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like this.

Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have assumed 
they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I would assume 
it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like 60-70v for a 
short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.
On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.  Meanwell 
has a good selection.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.
Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe even 
just 50v?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google, it's 
like 50% less

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable via 
the battery chemistry

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Ok, cool.

So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v?

There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah batteries for a 
48v string

ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside
ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring

Or

Alternativly;

48v din mount PSU
48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
OR
48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5 cheaper 
options available)

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our house POP sites and need help 
with the DIN stuff and UPS.

Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following?

I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box.
And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A up the side 
of the house.

I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I don’t have to use DIN, but 
would be nice.

Having a problem finding a DC to DC converter that takes 12v and upconverts to 
50v 5-6A.

Is this the cost effective method? Something like this:

Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II SMON Base II
 1.00$100.00$100.00
UPS Monitor  Sitemonitor Int MorningStar MeterBus  SMON MorningStar 
1.00$60.00 $60.00
UPS Charge MorningStar Sunsaver Dual
  1.00$165.00$165.00
Battery AGM Deep Cycle 105AH NPP FT12-105AH 
  

Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

[chuck]

Yep, it sure should be able to survive 60 volts.  Lead acid cells float at 2.25 
VPC.  2.25 * 24 = 54 volts at room temp.  
(Some say 2.27, others at 2.3 which would make the string 55.2 volts)

I have always used 54 to 55 as my rule of thumb for large stationary batts.  

Higher volts at cooler temps.  Batts live longer at cooler temps.

.https://batteryuniversity.com/index.php/learn/article/how_heat_and_harsh_loading_reduces_battery_life

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:20 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have assumed 
they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I would assume 
it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like 60-70v for a 
short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.



On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

  You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.  
Meanwell has a good selection.

  On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:

Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.

Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe even 
just 50v?



From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion



contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google, 
it's like 50% less



On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

  all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable 
via the battery chemistry 



  On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:

Ok, cool.



So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v?



There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?





From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion



12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah 
batteries for a 48v string

ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside
ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring

Or

Alternativly;

48v din mount PSU
48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
OR
48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5 
cheaper options available)



On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:

  I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our house POP sites and 
need help with the DIN stuff and UPS.



  Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following?



  I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box.

  And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A up 
the side of the house.



  I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I don’t have to use 
DIN, but would be nice.



  Having a problem finding a DC to DC converter that takes 12v and 
upconverts to 50v 5-6A.



  Is this the cost effective method? Something like this:



  Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II SMON Base II  
   1.00$100.00
$100.00 

  UPS Monitor  Sitemonitor Int MorningStar MeterBus  SMON 
MorningStar 1.00$60.00 $60.00 

  UPS Charge MorningStar Sunsaver Dual  
1.00$165.00 
   $165.00 

  Battery AGM Deep Cycle 105AH NPP FT12-105AH   
2.00$225.00$450.00 

  DIN Parts like DC fuse/breakers and trunk stuff   
   1.00$100.00
$100.00 

  DC 12v to 50v 5A  
1.00
$150.00$150.00

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Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

[chuck]

Yeah, 40 to 56 should work for all 48 volt gear.  Some of it may  not like 40 
but in my experience they will stay functional down to 44.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 4:21 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Meanwell RSD-300C-48 makes a 48V output from any input from 33-62v. Up to 6A 
output.
Maybe the Ubiquiti switch you mention is special in some way, but in my 
experience the 48v and 54v equipment are really the same thing. Voltage varies 
for any number of reasons, so the device should have an upper and lower bound 
of acceptable voltage, and if something is stated to be "48v" or "54v" you tend 
to find deeper in the specs that they're both accepting a range from 40 
something to 50 something.



On 6/19/2019 1:19 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

  Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like this.

   

  Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

   

  That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have assumed 
they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I would assume 
it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like 60-70v for a 
short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.



  On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.  
Meanwell has a good selection.

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:

  Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.

  Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe 
even just 50v?

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
  Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

   

  contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google, 
it's like 50% less

   

  On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also 
adjustable via the battery chemistry 

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:

  Ok, cool.

   

  So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 
48v?

   

  There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
  Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

   

  12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah 
batteries for a 48v string

  ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
  ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside
  ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
  SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring

  Or

  Alternativly;

  48v din mount PSU
  48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
  OR
  48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 
48-5 cheaper options available)

   

  On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:

I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our house POP sites 
and need help with the DIN stuff and UPS.

 

Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following?

 

I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box.

And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A 
up the side of the house.

 

I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I don’t have to use 
DIN, but would be nice.

 

Having a problem finding a DC to DC converter that takes 12v and 
upconverts to 50v 5-6A.

 

Is this the cost effective method? Something like this:

 

Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II SMON Base II
 1.00$100.00
$100.00 

UPS Monitor  Sitemonitor Int MorningStar MeterBus  SMON 
MorningStar 1.00$60.00 $60.00 

UPS Charge MorningStar Sunsaver Dual
  1.00$165.00   
 $165.00 

Battery AGM Deep Cycle 105AH NPP FT12-105AH 
  2.00$225.00
$450.00 

DIN Parts like DC fuse/breakers and trunk stuff 
 1.00  

Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

[chuck]

Why not run your system at 54 volts?  If the radio freaks out above 54, just 
set it at 54 and you should be fine.  Battery strings don’t exceed the float 
voltage of the rectifier.  If you are worried about it float at 53.75 volts.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like this.

 

Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

 

That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have assumed 
they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I would assume 
it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like 60-70v for a 
short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.



On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

  You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.  
Meanwell has a good selection.

   

  On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:

Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.

Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe even 
just 50v?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

 

contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google, 
it's like 50% less

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

  all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable 
via the battery chemistry 

   

  On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:

Ok, cool.

 

So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v?

 

There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

 

12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah 
batteries for a 48v string

ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside
ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring

Or

Alternativly;

48v din mount PSU
48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
OR
48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5 
cheaper options available)

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:

  I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our house POP sites and 
need help with the DIN stuff and UPS.

   

  Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following?

   

  I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box.

  And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A up 
the side of the house.

   

  I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I don’t have to use 
DIN, but would be nice.

   

  Having a problem finding a DC to DC converter that takes 12v and 
upconverts to 50v 5-6A.

   

  Is this the cost effective method? Something like this:

   

  Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II SMON Base II  
   1.00$100.00
$100.00 

  UPS Monitor  Sitemonitor Int MorningStar MeterBus  SMON 
MorningStar 1.00$60.00 $60.00 

  UPS Charge MorningStar Sunsaver Dual  
1.00$165.00 
   $165.00 

  Battery AGM Deep Cycle 105AH NPP FT12-105AH   
2.00$225.00$450.00 

  DIN Parts like DC fuse/breakers and trunk stuff   
   1.00$100.00
$100.00 

  DC 12v to 50v 5A  
1.00
$150.00$150.00

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[chuck]

It doesn’t mess up Cambium.  Cambium can have frame check and crc errors with 
nothing more than plain cable.  Adding solid state surge suppressors causes 
problems for some reasons.  100% gas discharge tube cures that.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:01 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

Sean, what do you find is the advantage of the CAT6-APC over the GIGE-APC-HV?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

 

Hi Eric,

 

yes the new Cat6 gas tube version is what we use for 450i and 450m

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 12:46 PM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

  What surge arrestors are you using with the 450m 5ghz? Is that the new CAT6 
gas tube version?

   

  On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 12:44 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

Here's the equipment box we just rebuilt for one of our larger tower sites. 
 A special shout out and big thanks to both McCowen Tech for the ground cards 
and Packetflux for the amazingly awesome Rack Injectors!!!  

 

the other equipment is: 

Planet GS-5220-48T4X switch 

Mikrotik CCR

600Watt power supply for Rack Injector (will be adding a second to load 
balance)

Dataprobe iBoot PDU

fan tray

 

this site has these radios:

2 x 5GHz 450m

9 x 5GHz 450i

3 x 5GHz 450

1 x 3GHz 450m

3 x 3GHz 450 (1 is being replaced by the 450m)

 

Siklu EH-8010FX (10Gbps backhaul)

SAF Integra-W 18GHz (650Mbps backhaul - backup)

 



 

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Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

[Sterling Jacobson]

Yeah, I’ll probably just use 48v battery array in series and float higher.

That particular device can do 48v, it just may shut down POE if it gets lower 
than 48v.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Why not run your system at 54 volts?  If the radio freaks out above 54, just 
set it at 54 and you should be fine.  Battery strings don’t exceed the float 
voltage of the rectifier.  If you are worried about it float at 53.75 volts.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like this.

Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have assumed 
they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I would assume 
it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like 60-70v for a 
short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.
On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.  Meanwell 
has a good selection.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.
Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe even 
just 50v?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google, it's 
like 50% less

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable via 
the battery chemistry

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Ok, cool.

So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v?

There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah batteries for a 
48v string

ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside
ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring

Or

Alternativly;

48v din mount PSU
48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
OR
48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5 cheaper 
options available)

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our house POP sites and need help 
with the DIN stuff and UPS.

Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following?

I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box.
And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A up the side 
of the house.

I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I don’t have to use DIN, but 
would be nice.

Having a problem finding a DC to DC converter that takes 12v and upconverts to 
50v 5-6A.

Is this the cost effective method? Something like this:

Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II SMON Base II
 1.00$100.00$100.00
UPS Monitor  Sitemonitor Int MorningStar MeterBus  SMON MorningStar 
1.00$60.00 $60.00
UPS Charge MorningStar Sunsaver Dual
  1.00$165.00$165.00
Battery AGM Deep Cycle 105AH NPP FT12-105AH 
  2.00$225.00$450.00
DIN Parts like DC fuse/breakers and trunk stuff 
 1.00$100.00$100.00
DC 12v to 50v 5A
  1.00
$150.00$150.00
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Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

what is insertion loss on a Mux?

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 7:00 AM  wrote:

> > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019
> > From: "Adam Moffett" 
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?
> >
> > The MUX's I was looking at used two fibers.  Are there MUX's that use a
> > single fiber?
>   Yes. Select "Single fiber" in the "Line Type" dropdown if you use FS or
> google "single fiber DWDM mux $VENDOR" if you don't.
>
>
> Jared
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Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

[Mike Hammett]

Varies. Check the specs for the mux you're looking at. 




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From: "Kurt Fankhauser"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 9:14:32 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber? 


what is insertion loss on a Mux? 


On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 7:00 AM < fiber...@mail.com > wrote: 


> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 
> From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber? 
> 
> The MUX's I was looking at used two fibers. Are there MUX's that use a 
> single fiber? 
Yes. Select "Single fiber" in the "Line Type" dropdown if you use FS or google 
"single fiber DWDM mux $VENDOR" if you don't. 


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Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

[chuck]

Depends on vendor but it isn’t bad like splitters.  In the 5 dB range.  

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?

what is insertion loss on a Mux?

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 7:00 AM  wrote:

  > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 
  > From: "Adam Moffett" 
  > To: af@af.afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON and DWDM on same fiber?
  >
  > The MUX's I was looking at used two fibers.  Are there MUX's that use a 
  > single fiber?
Yes. Select "Single fiber" in the "Line Type" dropdown if you use FS or 
google "single fiber DWDM mux $VENDOR" if you don't.


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Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

[Josh Baird]

FWIW - we have lots of EdgePoint S16's that are powered by Traco BCM/TSP
combos @ ~54V with no issues.

I agree with others - your battery plant should be 48VDC.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 10:15 AM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Yeah, I’ll probably just use 48v battery array in series and float higher.
>
>
>
> That particular device can do 48v, it just may shut down POE if it gets
> lower than 48v.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:11 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> Why not run your system at 54 volts?  If the radio freaks out above 54,
> just set it at 54 and you should be fine.  Battery strings don’t exceed the
> float voltage of the rectifier.  If you are worried about it float at 53.75
> volts.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:19 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like
> this.
>
>
>
> Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have
> assumed they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I
> would assume it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like
> 60-70v for a short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.
>
> On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.
> Meanwell has a good selection.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.
>
> Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe
> even just 50v?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google,
> it's like 50% less
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable
> via the battery chemistry
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Ok, cool.
>
>
>
> So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v?
>
>
>
> There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> 12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah batteries
> for a 48v string
>
> ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
> ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside
> ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
> SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring
>
> Or
>
> Alternativly;
>
> 48v din mount PSU
> 48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
> OR
> 48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5
> cheaper options available)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our house POP sites and need
> help with the DIN stuff and UPS.
>
>
>
> Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following?
>
>
>
> I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box.
>
> And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A up the
> side of the house.
>
>
>
> I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I don’t have to use DIN,
> but would be nice.
>
>
>
> Having a problem finding a DC to DC converter that takes 12v and
> upconverts to 50v 5-6A.
>
>
>
> Is this the cost effective method? Something like this:
>
>
>
> Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II SMON Base
> II 1.00
> $100.00$100.00
>
> UPS Monitor  Sitemonitor Int MorningStar MeterBus  SMON
> MorningStar 1.00$60.00 $60.00
>
> UPS Charge MorningStar Sunsaver
> Dual
> 1.00$165.00$165.00
>
> Battery AGM Deep Cycle 105AH NPP
> FT12-105AH
> 2.00$225.00$450.00
>
> DIN Parts like DC fuse/breakers and trunk
> stuff
> 1.00$100.00$100.00
>
> DC 12v to 50v
> 5A
> 1.00$150.00$150.00
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Re: [AFMUG] Email Hosting

[Mike Hammett]

Maintaining mail servers isn't as difficult as dealing with the inability to 
troubleshoot and likelihood of getting caught up in blacklists that you have no 
control over. 




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From: "Matt"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:33:15 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Email Hosting 


Is anyone using everyone.net for hosting isp email accounts? How well does it 
work? 


Getting sick of maintaining servers. 

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Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

[faisal]

You can always simplify  your build by using  a Triplite Charger / Inverter !

e.g. 
https://www.tripplite.com/1250w-powerverter-aps-12vdc-120v-inverter-charger-auto-transfer-switching-2-outlets~APS1250

 

Your parts list will be ….. 

Triplite Inverter/Charger   (you can add the remote management card)

Batteries 

Fuse 

Cables 

You can keep everything on AC power

(you will give up on battery / inverter efficiency but gain simplicity and no 
need to worry about a lot of other stuff ! 😊 )

 

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 6:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

 

Ok, cool.

 

So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v?

 

There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

 

12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah batteries for a 
48v string

ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside
ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring

Or

Alternativly;

48v din mount PSU
48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
OR
48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5 cheaper 
options available)

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote:

I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our house POP sites and need help 
with the DIN stuff and UPS.

 

Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following?

 

I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box.

And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A up the side 
of the house.

 

I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I don’t have to use DIN, but 
would be nice.

 

Having a problem finding a DC to DC converter that takes 12v and upconverts to 
50v 5-6A.

 

Is this the cost effective method? Something like this:

 

Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II SMON Base II
 1.00$100.00$100.00 

UPS Monitor  Sitemonitor Int MorningStar MeterBus  SMON MorningStar 
1.00$60.00 $60.00 

UPS Charge MorningStar Sunsaver Dual
  1.00$165.00
$165.00 

Battery AGM Deep Cycle 105AH NPP FT12-105AH 
  2.00$225.00$450.00 

DIN Parts like DC fuse/breakers and trunk stuff 
 1.00$100.00$100.00 

DC 12v to 50v 5A
  1.00
$150.00$150.00

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Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

[Ken Hohhof]

Strange, I have both 450i and 450m running gigabit with no errors.  Using 
“Cambium sync” though.

 

So basically you’re saying the GDT version is better for data integrity?  And 
only for Cambium radios?

 

What about surge protection, it looks like it clamps all 8 wires at 90V to 
ground, but doesn’t try to clamp the differential voltage at some lower voltage 
like the other version?  I’m not sure how much of a problem that might be.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 9:14 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

 

It doesn’t mess up Cambium.  Cambium can have frame check and crc errors with 
nothing more than plain cable.  Adding solid state surge suppressors causes 
problems for some reasons.  100% gas discharge tube cures that.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:01 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

 

Sean, what do you find is the advantage of the CAT6-APC over the GIGE-APC-HV?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

 

Hi Eric,

 

yes the new Cat6 gas tube version is what we use for 450i and 450m

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 12:46 PM Eric Muehleisen mailto:ericm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What surge arrestors are you using with the 450m 5ghz? Is that the new CAT6 gas 
tube version?

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 12:44 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

Here's the equipment box we just rebuilt for one of our larger tower sites.  A 
special shout out and big thanks to both McCowen Tech for the ground cards and 
Packetflux for the amazingly awesome Rack Injectors!!!  

 

the other equipment is: 

Planet GS-5220-48T4X switch 

Mikrotik CCR

600Watt power supply for Rack Injector (will be adding a second to load balance)

Dataprobe iBoot PDU

fan tray

 

this site has these radios:

2 x 5GHz 450m

9 x 5GHz 450i

3 x 5GHz 450

1 x 3GHz 450m

3 x 3GHz 450 (1 is being replaced by the 450m)

 

Siklu EH-8010FX (10Gbps backhaul)

SAF Integra-W 18GHz (650Mbps backhaul - backup)

 



 

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Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

[chuck]

It clamps differential via ground so at double the voltage.
But they run clean with GDT and not solid state.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 10:02 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

Strange, I have both 450i and 450m running gigabit with no errors.  Using 
“Cambium sync” though.

 

So basically you’re saying the GDT version is better for data integrity?  And 
only for Cambium radios?

 

What about surge protection, it looks like it clamps all 8 wires at 90V to 
ground, but doesn’t try to clamp the differential voltage at some lower voltage 
like the other version?  I’m not sure how much of a problem that might be.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 9:14 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

 

It doesn’t mess up Cambium.  Cambium can have frame check and crc errors with 
nothing more than plain cable.  Adding solid state surge suppressors causes 
problems for some reasons.  100% gas discharge tube cures that.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:01 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

 

Sean, what do you find is the advantage of the CAT6-APC over the GIGE-APC-HV?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

 

Hi Eric,

 

yes the new Cat6 gas tube version is what we use for 450i and 450m

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 12:46 PM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

  What surge arrestors are you using with the 450m 5ghz? Is that the new CAT6 
gas tube version?

   

  On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 12:44 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

Here's the equipment box we just rebuilt for one of our larger tower sites. 
 A special shout out and big thanks to both McCowen Tech for the ground cards 
and Packetflux for the amazingly awesome Rack Injectors!!!  

 

the other equipment is: 

Planet GS-5220-48T4X switch 

Mikrotik CCR

600Watt power supply for Rack Injector (will be adding a second to load 
balance)

Dataprobe iBoot PDU

fan tray

 

this site has these radios:

2 x 5GHz 450m

9 x 5GHz 450i

3 x 5GHz 450

1 x 3GHz 450m

3 x 3GHz 450 (1 is being replaced by the 450m)

 

Siklu EH-8010FX (10Gbps backhaul)

SAF Integra-W 18GHz (650Mbps backhaul - backup)

 



 

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[AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

[Josh Baird]

We have a site that has 3-4 fairly loaded ePMP 2K sectors (30 deg horns).
There are a large number of customers in a single 90 degrees.  While we
could probably upgrade to ePMP 3K to get a bit of a boost, there is still a
cost associated in replacing all the CPE to get the full benefit.

At this point, we're trying to determine if something like 450M makes sense
for this 90 degrees of coverage.  The cost is obviously much higher, but I
think it may be a better solution in the long run. If we could find a spare
20Mhz, we could run both our existing ePMP radios and the 450M at the same
time while we cut subscribers over.

Are there other people here who have been in similar situations and have
deployed 450M?  I realize the performance of the 450M is dependent upon CPE
locations, but overall, were you happy with the boost in performance in
general?  I feel like most people who have upgraded to 450M were already
running 450, so you didn't really have to forklift all CPE.  If that were
the case, I think it would be a no-brainer.

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Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

[Ken Hohhof]

How many is a large number?  You’ll probably gain more with 50 or 100 subs than 
you will with 10.

 

And would you be switching over good, high modulation customers?  My 
observation is get all your subs to 6X or 8X before putting them on a 450m.  
Also, hard to prove, but I think the antenna gain might be flatter across the 
90 degrees with a 450m than with a traditional sector.  You lose something like 
2 dB, but in the center, not at the edges.  I don’t have precise data to 
substantiate that though.

 

Any chance you could find 40 MHz of spectrum for the 450m?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:24 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

 

We have a site that has 3-4 fairly loaded ePMP 2K sectors (30 deg horns).  
There are a large number of customers in a single 90 degrees.  While we could 
probably upgrade to ePMP 3K to get a bit of a boost, there is still a cost 
associated in replacing all the CPE to get the full benefit.  

 

At this point, we're trying to determine if something like 450M makes sense for 
this 90 degrees of coverage.  The cost is obviously much higher, but I think it 
may be a better solution in the long run. If we could find a spare 20Mhz, we 
could run both our existing ePMP radios and the 450M at the same time while we 
cut subscribers over.  

 

Are there other people here who have been in similar situations and have 
deployed 450M?  I realize the performance of the 450M is dependent upon CPE 
locations, but overall, were you happy with the boost in performance in 
general?  I feel like most people who have upgraded to 450M were already 
running 450, so you didn't really have to forklift all CPE.  If that were the 
case, I think it would be a no-brainer.

 

Interested in hearing any success (or failure) stories about people who have 
upgraded to 450M...

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

[Josh Baird]

100-120 customers or so in the 90deg.  For the most part, customers are
decent, but some would need to be re-aligned most likely could probably
find 40Mhz if needed.  What is your go-to SM for 450M now?

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 12:44 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> How many is a large number?  You’ll probably gain more with 50 or 100 subs
> than you will with 10.
>
>
>
> And would you be switching over good, high modulation customers?  My
> observation is get all your subs to 6X or 8X before putting them on a
> 450m.  Also, hard to prove, but I think the antenna gain might be flatter
> across the 90 degrees with a 450m than with a traditional sector.  You lose
> something like 2 dB, but in the center, not at the edges.  I don’t have
> precise data to substantiate that though.
>
>
>
> Any chance you could find 40 MHz of spectrum for the 450m?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:24 AM
> *To:* AFMUG 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?
>
>
>
> We have a site that has 3-4 fairly loaded ePMP 2K sectors (30 deg horns).
> There are a large number of customers in a single 90 degrees.  While we
> could probably upgrade to ePMP 3K to get a bit of a boost, there is still a
> cost associated in replacing all the CPE to get the full benefit.
>
>
>
> At this point, we're trying to determine if something like 450M makes
> sense for this 90 degrees of coverage.  The cost is obviously much higher,
> but I think it may be a better solution in the long run. If we could find a
> spare 20Mhz, we could run both our existing ePMP radios and the 450M at the
> same time while we cut subscribers over.
>
>
>
> Are there other people here who have been in similar situations and have
> deployed 450M?  I realize the performance of the 450M is dependent upon CPE
> locations, but overall, were you happy with the boost in performance in
> general?  I feel like most people who have upgraded to 450M were already
> running 450, so you didn't really have to forklift all CPE.  If that were
> the case, I think it would be a no-brainer.
>
>
>
> Interested in hearing any success (or failure) stories about people who
> have upgraded to 450M...
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

[Ken Hohhof]

Cambium doesn’t give you much choice:  450b mid or high gain.  Yes there’s a 
450i SM but it’s hideously expensive, needs 48V POE, and comes only in 
connectorized or an integrated panel that doesn’t have enough gain.  The 450 
and 450d SMs are discontinued, unless you’re shopping the used market.

 

I assume you’re talking about 5 GHz.  In 3.65 the SM options are different.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

 

100-120 customers or so in the 90deg.  For the most part, customers are decent, 
but some would need to be re-aligned most likely could probably find 40Mhz if 
needed.  What is your go-to SM for 450M now?

 

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 12:44 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

How many is a large number?  You’ll probably gain more with 50 or 100 subs than 
you will with 10.

 

And would you be switching over good, high modulation customers?  My 
observation is get all your subs to 6X or 8X before putting them on a 450m.  
Also, hard to prove, but I think the antenna gain might be flatter across the 
90 degrees with a 450m than with a traditional sector.  You lose something like 
2 dB, but in the center, not at the edges.  I don’t have precise data to 
substantiate that though.

 

Any chance you could find 40 MHz of spectrum for the 450m?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:24 AM
To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

 

We have a site that has 3-4 fairly loaded ePMP 2K sectors (30 deg horns).  
There are a large number of customers in a single 90 degrees.  While we could 
probably upgrade to ePMP 3K to get a bit of a boost, there is still a cost 
associated in replacing all the CPE to get the full benefit.  

 

At this point, we're trying to determine if something like 450M makes sense for 
this 90 degrees of coverage.  The cost is obviously much higher, but I think it 
may be a better solution in the long run. If we could find a spare 20Mhz, we 
could run both our existing ePMP radios and the 450M at the same time while we 
cut subscribers over.  

 

Are there other people here who have been in similar situations and have 
deployed 450M?  I realize the performance of the 450M is dependent upon CPE 
locations, but overall, were you happy with the boost in performance in 
general?  I feel like most people who have upgraded to 450M were already 
running 450, so you didn't really have to forklift all CPE.  If that were the 
case, I think it would be a no-brainer.

 

Interested in hearing any success (or failure) stories about people who have 
upgraded to 450M...

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] RIP Tower History

[Nate Burke]

I'm not sure who owns the land.  I'm guessing the tower was there before 
anything else was developed.  I just figured since it was a Fed tower, 
it was Fed land.


On 6/18/2019 7:47 PM, Keefe John wrote:

Who owned these two sites prior to demolition?

Keefe

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:48 PM Nate Burke > wrote:


They had to build a special pad just for the demolition crane to
sit on.  It hasn't had any tower lights since last year, so I
guess  I should have figured it was going away.

On 6/18/2019 4:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I didn't realize mine was being torn down until it was already gone.

Yours was older than mine. It is sad that they're going away. I
don't know why they don't just sell them. I would have picked up
both of them. :-)

Yours had an FAA sign at the base.



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*From: *"Nate Burke"  
*To: *"Animal Farm"  
*Sent: *Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:08:03 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] RIP Tower History

They're tearing down a 4 legged, what I think was about a 400'
FAA tower
by my house.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8188909,-88.2242849,219m/data=!3m1!1e3

Had 6 big horns on the top, and a handful of 10' dishes.  Also some
spiderweb looking antennas sticking out the top. I'm pretty sure
it was
an FAA tower, I couldn't find it in the FCC Tower database, and I
don't
think it was a long-lines tower.

I'm guessing the amount of Copper Waveguide that came off the
tower is
just pure profit for the demolition company...

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Re: [AFMUG] RIP Tower History

[Mike Hammett]

It looks like yours was indeed owned by the FAA. 

https://www.dupageco.org/PropertyInformation.aspx?mobilpin=0433300012 




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From: "Nate Burke"  
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Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:28:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RIP Tower History 

I'm not sure who owns the land. I'm guessing the tower was there before 
anything else was developed. I just figured since it was a Fed tower, it was 
Fed land. 


On 6/18/2019 7:47 PM, Keefe John wrote: 









Who owned these two sites prior to demolition? 


Keefe 


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:48 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 



They had to build a special pad just for the demolition crane to sit on. It 
hasn't had any tower lights since last year, so I guess I should have figured 
it was going away. 


On 6/18/2019 4:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



I didn't realize mine was being torn down until it was already gone. 

Yours was older than mine. It is sad that they're going away. I don't know why 
they don't just sell them. I would have picked up both of them. :-) 


Yours had an FAA sign at the base. 




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From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:08:03 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] RIP Tower History 

They're tearing down a 4 legged, what I think was about a 400' FAA tower 
by my house. 
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8188909,-88.2242849,219m/data=!3m1!1e3 
Had 6 big horns on the top, and a handful of 10' dishes. Also some 
spiderweb looking antennas sticking out the top. I'm pretty sure it was 
an FAA tower, I couldn't find it in the FCC Tower database, and I don't 
think it was a long-lines tower. 

I'm guessing the amount of Copper Waveguide that came off the tower is 
just pure profit for the demolition company... 

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Re: [AFMUG] RIP Tower History

[Nate Burke]

I can only imagine the size of the concrete block underground.  I wonder 
if they're going to break that up, or just throw some dirt on top of it.


On 6/19/2019 12:32 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

It looks like yours was indeed owned by the FAA.

https://www.dupageco.org/PropertyInformation.aspx?mobilpin=0433300012



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*From: *"Nate Burke" 
*To: *af@af.afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:28:40 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RIP Tower History

I'm not sure who owns the land.  I'm guessing the tower was there 
before anything else was developed.  I just figured since it was a Fed 
tower, it was Fed land.


On 6/18/2019 7:47 PM, Keefe John wrote:

Who owned these two sites prior to demolition?

Keefe

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:48 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

They had to build a special pad just for the demolition crane
to sit on.  It hasn't had any tower lights since last year, so
I guess  I should have figured it was going away.

On 6/18/2019 4:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I didn't realize mine was being torn down until it was
already gone.

Yours was older than mine. It is sad that they're going
away. I don't know why they don't just sell them. I would
have picked up both of them. :-)

Yours had an FAA sign at the base.



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*From: *"Nate Burke" 

*To: *"Animal Farm"  
*Sent: *Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:08:03 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] RIP Tower History

They're tearing down a 4 legged, what I think was about a
400' FAA tower
by my house.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8188909,-88.2242849,219m/data=!3m1!1e3

Had 6 big horns on the top, and a handful of 10' dishes.
 Also some
spiderweb looking antennas sticking out the top.  I'm
pretty sure it was
an FAA tower, I couldn't find it in the FCC Tower
database, and I don't
think it was a long-lines tower.

I'm guessing the amount of Copper Waveguide that came off
the tower is
just pure profit for the demolition company...

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Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

[Mike Meluskey]

We have over 100 450m’s deployed.
Lots of dense towers.
Fork lift upgrade of a Mikrotik network (still ongoing).
Over 150 customers on over a dozen of the 450m’s, have had over 200 
customers and it performed fine.

670Mbps aggregate capacity in 40Mhz channels
If you have the customer density, they are magical.

On 19 Jun 2019, at 12:23, Josh Baird wrote:

We have a site that has 3-4 fairly loaded ePMP 2K sectors (30 deg 
horns).
There are a large number of customers in a single 90 degrees.  While 
we
could probably upgrade to ePMP 3K to get a bit of a boost, there is 
still a

cost associated in replacing all the CPE to get the full benefit.

At this point, we're trying to determine if something like 450M makes 
sense
for this 90 degrees of coverage.  The cost is obviously much higher, 
but I
think it may be a better solution in the long run. If we could find a 
spare
20Mhz, we could run both our existing ePMP radios and the 450M at the 
same

time while we cut subscribers over.

Are there other people here who have been in similar situations and 
have
deployed 450M?  I realize the performance of the 450M is dependent 
upon CPE
locations, but overall, were you happy with the boost in performance 
in
general?  I feel like most people who have upgraded to 450M were 
already
running 450, so you didn't really have to forklift all CPE.  If that 
were

the case, I think it would be a no-brainer.

Interested in hearing any success (or failure) stories about people 
who

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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

[Albert J Rachide]

4060 ohms?
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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

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Is that first band grey or white?  Makes more sense that it’s grey.  806 ohms 
1%.

 

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4060 ohms?


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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

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nope

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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

[chuck]

Nope but closer...

From: Ken Hohhof 
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To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

Is that first band grey or white?  Makes more sense that it’s grey.  806 ohms 
1%.

 

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4060 ohms?


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Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

[dave]

I think cust density is important here.
A 450i will even get more subs than epmp ever thought due to protocol 
restrictions,processor and memory capacity.

A 450m is great if you have 60+ subs on one AP.



On 6/19/19 11:23 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
We have a site that has 3-4 fairly loaded ePMP 2K sectors (30 deg 
horns).  There are a large number of customers in a single 90 
degrees.  While we could probably upgrade to ePMP 3K to get a bit of a 
boost, there is still a cost associated in replacing all the CPE to 
get the full benefit.


At this point, we're trying to determine if something like 450M makes 
sense for this 90 degrees of coverage.  The cost is obviously much 
higher, but I think it may be a better solution in the long run. If we 
could find a spare 20Mhz, we could run both our existing ePMP radios 
and the 450M at the same time while we cut subscribers over.


Are there other people here who have been in similar situations and 
have deployed 450M?  I realize the performance of the 450M is 
dependent upon CPE locations, but overall, were you happy with the 
boost in performance in general?  I feel like most people who have 
upgraded to 450M were already running 450, so you didn't really have 
to forklift all CPE. If that were the case, I think it would be a 
no-brainer.


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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

[dave]

looks like 102 ohms @ 2%
but closer to 100 ohms

On 6/19/19 2:55 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Nope but closer...
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:40 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

Is that first band grey or white? Makes more sense that it’s grey.  
806 ohms 1%.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Albert J Rachide
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4060 ohms?

Al Rachide
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Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
The biggest win in the 450M department is the vast improvement in
  the SNR incoming to the AP.


bp



On 6/19/2019 1:06 PM, dave wrote:


  
  I think cust density is important here. 
  A 450i will even get more subs than epmp ever thought due to
  protocol restrictions,processor and memory capacity.
  A 450m is great if you have 60+ subs on one AP. 
  
  
  

  On 6/19/19 11:23 AM, Josh Baird
wrote:
  
  

We have a site that has 3-4 fairly loaded ePMP 2K
  sectors (30 deg horns).  There are a large number of customers
  in a single 90 degrees.  While we could probably upgrade to
  ePMP 3K to get a bit of a boost, there is still a cost
  associated in replacing all the CPE to get the full benefit.  
  
  
  At this point, we're trying to determine if something
like 450M makes sense for this 90 degrees of coverage.  The
cost is obviously much higher, but I think it may be a
better solution in the long run. If we could find a spare
20Mhz, we could run both our existing ePMP radios and the
450M at the same time while we cut subscribers over.  
  
  
  Are there other people here who have been in similar
situations and have deployed 450M?  I realize the
performance of the 450M is dependent upon CPE locations, but
overall, were you happy with the boost in performance in
general?  I feel like most people who have upgraded to 450M
were already running 450, so you didn't really have to
forklift all CPE.  If that were the case, I think it would
be a no-brainer.
  
  
  Interested in hearing any success (or failure) stories
about people who have upgraded to 450M...
  
  
  
  



  
  
  
  

  

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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

[chuck]

No.  Ken was closer.  

802 something.  

From: dave 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 2:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

looks like 102 ohms @ 2% 
but closer to 100 ohms 



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  Nope but closer...

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:40 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

  Is that first band grey or white?  Makes more sense that it’s grey.  806 ohms 
1%.

   

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  4060 ohms?


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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I'm color blind. I use a DVM.


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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

[Christopher Tyler]

906 1%

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Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:15:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

No. Ken was closer. 
802 something. 
From: dave 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 2:10 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz 
looks like 102 ohms @ 2% 
but closer to 100 ohms 

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Nope but closer... 
From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:40 PM 
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz 


Is that first band grey or white? Makes more sense that it’s grey. 806 ohms 1%. 



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4060 ohms? 


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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

[Christopher Tyler]

or 106 10%

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906 1%

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No. Ken was closer. 
802 something. 
From: dave 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 2:10 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz 
looks like 102 ohms @ 2% 
but closer to 100 ohms 

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Nope but closer... 
From: Ken Hohhof 
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Is that first band grey or white? Makes more sense that it’s grey. 806 ohms 1%. 



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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

[chuck]

Actually Ken got it right.
 
My DVM was reading .802k and I had a brain fart thinking it was 802k and there 
was no way I could make 802K match the colors.  
Not sure why it cannot display 802 instead.  Fluke.  I even manually set the 
range and it just says over limit on the straight ohm setting.

But I could not figure out which end to start reading from, the gray band looks 
like it could be white or silver to my eyes.

So brown black blue black gray should be 106 ohms, right?

How are you supposed to know which end to start with on these precision 
resistors?



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Is that first band grey or white?  Makes more sense that it’s grey.  806 ohms 
1%.

 

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4060 ohms?


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[AFMUG] Proposed Licensed Link Potential Conflict

[mhopkins]

Hello,

We have a SAF 80MHz 11GHz link between a couple of towers. There is a
new PCN for a new 80MHz UBNT AF-11FX link that is at the same tower
site as one of our ends. Their path would shoot through our tower at
that site. There is 2.8MHz of separation between our channels and the
polarity is the same (H). We have many licensed links but we are
pretty rural and have not had any other PCNs this close to our
channels. Would you be comfortable with allowing this link? We reached
out to the coordinator for the new link and they said it is within the
acceptable range. Thank you in advance for any insight you can
provide.


Matt Hopkins
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Re: [AFMUG] Proposed Licensed Link Potential Conflict

[Tim Hardy]

Matt,

Send me the PCN and I’ll take a look at it and let you know.  2.8 MHz 
separation doesn't sound right at 11 GHz since there is no frequency plans that 
would give you that kind of separation.

Thanks,

Tim Hardy

FYI, I was one of the three founders of Comsearch back in 1977 and retired in 
2017 after 40 years - enjoying life at the beach, so you can see, I have no dog 
in this fight.

> On Jun 19, 2019, at 4:43 PM, mhopk...@onlinenw.com wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>We have a SAF 80MHz 11GHz link between a couple of towers. There is a
> new PCN for a new 80MHz UBNT AF-11FX link that is at the same tower
> site as one of our ends. Their path would shoot through our tower at
> that site. There is 2.8MHz of separation between our channels and the
> polarity is the same (H). We have many licensed links but we are
> pretty rural and have not had any other PCNs this close to our
> channels. Would you be comfortable with allowing this link? We reached
> out to the coordinator for the new link and they said it is within the
> acceptable range. Thank you in advance for any insight you can
> provide.
> 
> 
> Matt Hopkins
> Network Administrator
> 503.687.1030
> mhopk...@onlinenw.net
> onlinenw.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Proposed Licensed Link Potential Conflict

[chuck]

Gheeze I remember using a dial up modem to download path profiles from 
Comsearch back in the 1980s I think.  Print them out on a dot matrix 
printer.  Prior to that I think they arrived via fax machine.


A fax machine is a device that we used to use before civilization to help 
Nigerian princes access money that was tied up an a US bank account.


-Original Message- 
From: Tim Hardy

Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Proposed Licensed Link Potential Conflict

Matt,

Send me the PCN and I’ll take a look at it and let you know.  2.8 MHz 
separation doesn't sound right at 11 GHz since there is no frequency plans 
that would give you that kind of separation.


Thanks,

Tim Hardy

FYI, I was one of the three founders of Comsearch back in 1977 and retired 
in 2017 after 40 years - enjoying life at the beach, so you can see, I have 
no dog in this fight.



On Jun 19, 2019, at 4:43 PM, mhopk...@onlinenw.com wrote:

Hello,

   We have a SAF 80MHz 11GHz link between a couple of towers. There is a
new PCN for a new 80MHz UBNT AF-11FX link that is at the same tower
site as one of our ends. Their path would shoot through our tower at
that site. There is 2.8MHz of separation between our channels and the
polarity is the same (H). We have many licensed links but we are
pretty rural and have not had any other PCNs this close to our
channels. Would you be comfortable with allowing this link? We reached
out to the coordinator for the new link and they said it is within the
acceptable range. Thank you in advance for any insight you can
provide.


Matt Hopkins
Network Administrator
503.687.1030
mhopk...@onlinenw.net
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Re: [AFMUG] Proposed Licensed Link Potential Conflict

[Tim Hardy]

Ha ha, we did have a profile plot for dot matrix - probably based on digitized 
data from 1:250,000 maps.  We used to have a gigantic room full of tapes with 
this data and if you crossed a map boundary, it would require many tape mounts, 
etc.  - the good old days, but that sure beat taping the maps together, 
plotting the sites and hand picking the distances and elevations off the maps 
by hand.  Basically the way that all microwave paths before the mid 80s were 
designed.

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> On Jun 19, 2019, at 6:57 PM,   wrote:
> 
> Gheeze I remember using a dial up modem to download path profiles from 
> Comsearch back in the 1980s I think.  Print them out on a dot matrix printer. 
>  Prior to that I think they arrived via fax machine.
> 
> A fax machine is a device that we used to use before civilization to help 
> Nigerian princes access money that was tied up an a US bank account.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Tim Hardy
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:04 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Proposed Licensed Link Potential Conflict
> 
> Matt,
> 
> Send me the PCN and I’ll take a look at it and let you know.  2.8 MHz 
> separation doesn't sound right at 11 GHz since there is no frequency plans 
> that would give you that kind of separation.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim Hardy
> 
> FYI, I was one of the three founders of Comsearch back in 1977 and retired in 
> 2017 after 40 years - enjoying life at the beach, so you can see, I have no 
> dog in this fight.
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 4:43 PM, mhopk...@onlinenw.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>>   We have a SAF 80MHz 11GHz link between a couple of towers. There is a
>> new PCN for a new 80MHz UBNT AF-11FX link that is at the same tower
>> site as one of our ends. Their path would shoot through our tower at
>> that site. There is 2.8MHz of separation between our channels and the
>> polarity is the same (H). We have many licensed links but we are
>> pretty rural and have not had any other PCNs this close to our
>> channels. Would you be comfortable with allowing this link? We reached
>> out to the coordinator for the new link and they said it is within the
>> acceptable range. Thank you in advance for any insight you can
>> provide.
>> 
>> 
>> Matt Hopkins
>> Network Administrator
>> 503.687.1030
>> mhopk...@onlinenw.net
>> onlinenw.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Proposed Licensed Link Potential Conflict

[chuck]

I have spent many hours laying on a tiled floor counting contour rings and 
transfering points to curved graph paper too...


-Original Message- 
From: Tim Hardy

Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 5:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Proposed Licensed Link Potential Conflict

Ha ha, we did have a profile plot for dot matrix - probably based on 
digitized data from 1:250,000 maps.  We used to have a gigantic room full of 
tapes with this data and if you crossed a map boundary, it would require 
many tape mounts, etc.  - the good old days, but that sure beat taping the 
maps together, plotting the sites and hand picking the distances and 
elevations off the maps by hand.  Basically the way that all microwave paths 
before the mid 80s were designed.


Sent from my iPad


On Jun 19, 2019, at 6:57 PM,   wrote:

Gheeze I remember using a dial up modem to download path profiles from 
Comsearch back in the 1980s I think.  Print them out on a dot matrix 
printer.  Prior to that I think they arrived via fax machine.


A fax machine is a device that we used to use before civilization to help 
Nigerian princes access money that was tied up an a US bank account.


-Original Message- From: Tim Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Proposed Licensed Link Potential Conflict

Matt,

Send me the PCN and I’ll take a look at it and let you know.  2.8 MHz 
separation doesn't sound right at 11 GHz since there is no frequency plans 
that would give you that kind of separation.


Thanks,

Tim Hardy

FYI, I was one of the three founders of Comsearch back in 1977 and retired 
in 2017 after 40 years - enjoying life at the beach, so you can see, I 
have no dog in this fight.



On Jun 19, 2019, at 4:43 PM, mhopk...@onlinenw.com wrote:

Hello,

  We have a SAF 80MHz 11GHz link between a couple of towers. There is a
new PCN for a new 80MHz UBNT AF-11FX link that is at the same tower
site as one of our ends. Their path would shoot through our tower at
that site. There is 2.8MHz of separation between our channels and the
polarity is the same (H). We have many licensed links but we are
pretty rural and have not had any other PCNs this close to our
channels. Would you be comfortable with allowing this link? We reached
out to the coordinator for the new link and they said it is within the
acceptable range. Thank you in advance for any insight you can
provide.


Matt Hopkins
Network Administrator
503.687.1030
mhopk...@onlinenw.net
onlinenw.com


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Re: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz

[Joseph.Schraml]

Gino - you're spot on here.



SIAE is hosting a webinar this Friday, 6/21 @ 10:00am PDT to discuss this 
feature in our ALFOPlus80HDX (10Gbe e-band) and ALFOPlus2 (2 Gbe licensed 
microwave) products.



Free to all.



Interested?  Here is the registration URL:

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Thanks,

 



 

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>>> "Gino A. Villarini"  5/29/2019 11:07 AM >>>

 

Seemless failover 

 


From: AF  on behalf of David Milholen 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 2:06 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz


 

What would be the reason to have that other than some latency possibilities






On 5/29/19 8:20 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:


Sadly, no L1 aggregation 

 

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From: AF  on behalf of David Milholen 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Date: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 8:37 AM
To: "af@af.afmug.com"  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz


 

There is chatter in the wood about a combiner for the 820c to carry 60Ghz 
carrier and push 10Gbs






On 5/25/19 9:46 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:


Most of my shots would 3-4 miles min.  1 mile would be rare for me.


Sent from my iPhone



 On May 25, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:




I wouldn't be a bit worried about a 1 mile 80ghz link in Utah pushing 
beyond about a mile and half might get a bit scary, but I don't see rain fade 
ever being a problem out there at 1 mile

 



On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:51 PM Craig House  wrote:



That’s why I asked.  80 ghz at up to 2 miles here and they work pretty 
flawlessly   Pita to align but value is there for the capacity.  We used Siklu 
and have haven’t touched them since we installed them but that hasn’t been a 
long time yet.  6 months or so 


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 On May 25, 2019, at 16:43, Mike Hammett  wrote:




Ditto




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From: "Daniel White" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 4:36:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz


For the short shots... don't discount 80GHz.  You could probably push that out 
to 3 miles in your neck of the woods.

 Siklu and SIAE are probably the two to look at there.  Both have 10Gbps 
options at what the microwave 1Gbps is going to cost you.


 





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ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 5/25/19 15:19:





Most of them would be minimum 1 mile to a max of perhaps 10 miles.  




 



From: Craig House 


Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:12 PM


To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz


 




How long of shot?


 




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Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 4:02:03 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz


 




Need to shoot some backbone links to subdivisions with perhaps 50 or 100 homes. 
 Fiber to the home but I have to build out to them so microwave to the remote 
for now.  High number of subs it works out to about 4 Mbps per sub.  So 100 
homes would be just fine with 500 Mbps link.  However it is hard to sell Gig 
accounts if you cannot burst to Gig.


 


Trying to pick the radios.  Have not bought a microwave radio for some time and 
not sure what is the best choice.  I used to love SAF but I know there are new 
choices and lower cost choices out there now. 


 


Looking for recommendations.  Bang for the buck but also very solid and 
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Re: [AFMUG] RIP Tower History

[Chris Fabien]

We had american tower demo a perfectly good 250ft self supporter less than
20 years old. Took about 6 months after the last carrier left and one day I
drove by and a crew had it half unstacked by crane. Looked like it was
being cut up for scrap. I wish they would have put a for sale sign out
front or something, I'd have taken it off their hands.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 5:08 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> They're tearing down a 4 legged, what I think was about a 400' FAA tower
> by my house.
> https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8188909,-88.2242849,219m/data=!3m1!1e3
> Had 6 big horns on the top, and a handful of 10' dishes.  Also some
> spiderweb looking antennas sticking out the top.  I'm pretty sure it was
> an FAA tower, I couldn't find it in the FCC Tower database, and I don't
> think it was a long-lines tower.
>
> I'm guessing the amount of Copper Waveguide that came off the tower is
> just pure profit for the demolition company...
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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

[Chuck Macenski]

The larger blank band separates the value from the accuracy band starts. As
to what those colors actually are, well, I really couldn't tell.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:26 PM  wrote:

> Actually Ken got it right.
> My DVM was reading .802k and I had a brain fart thinking it was 802k and
> there was no way I could make 802K match the colors.
> Not sure why it cannot display 802 instead.  Fluke.  I even manually set
> the range and it just says over limit on the straight ohm setting.
>
> But I could not figure out which end to start reading from, the gray band
> looks like it could be white or silver to my eyes.
>
> So brown black blue black gray should be 106 ohms, right?
>
> How are you supposed to know which end to start with on these precision
> resistors?
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:40 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz
>
>
> Is that first band grey or white?  Makes more sense that it’s grey.  806
> ohms 1%.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Albert J Rachide
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:37 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz
>
>
>
> 4060 ohms?
>
> Al Rachide
> Pink Hill, NC
>
>
>
>
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> What should the resistance be?
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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

[Chuck McCown]

Interesting.  I never noticed the spacing before.  But I have always avoided 
precision resistors whenever possible too...

From: Chuck Macenski 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

The larger blank band separates the value from the accuracy band starts. As to 
what those colors actually are, well, I really couldn't tell.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:26 PM  wrote:

  Actually Ken got it right.
  My DVM was reading .802k and I had a brain fart thinking it was 802k and 
there was no way I could make 802K match the colors.  
  Not sure why it cannot display 802 instead.  Fluke.  I even manually set the 
range and it just says over limit on the straight ohm setting.

  But I could not figure out which end to start reading from, the gray band 
looks like it could be white or silver to my eyes.

  So brown black blue black gray should be 106 ohms, right?

  How are you supposed to know which end to start with on these precision 
resistors?



  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:40 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

  Is that first band grey or white?  Makes more sense that it’s grey.  806 ohms 
1%.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Albert J Rachide
  Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:37 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz



  4060 ohms?


  Al Rachide
  Pink Hill, NC






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What should the resistance be?


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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

[Ken Hohhof]

Whether it’s bands on resistors, or Cat5 wires, Asian manufacturers seem to 
have a problem with colors.  Back in the old days when stuff was actually made 
in the U.S. of A., there was no confusing brown and orange, or white and grey, 
or blue and purple.  But now all the colors are faded and a little off.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck Macenski
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

 

The larger blank band separates the value from the accuracy band starts. As to 
what those colors actually are, well, I really couldn't tell.

 

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:26 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Actually Ken got it right.

My DVM was reading .802k and I had a brain fart thinking it was 802k and there 
was no way I could make 802K match the colors.  

Not sure why it cannot display 802 instead.  Fluke.  I even manually set the 
range and it just says over limit on the straight ohm setting.

 

But I could not figure out which end to start reading from, the gray band looks 
like it could be white or silver to my eyes.

 

So brown black blue black gray should be 106 ohms, right?

 

How are you supposed to know which end to start with on these precision 
resistors?

 

 

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:40 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

 

Is that first band grey or white?  Makes more sense that it’s grey.  806 ohms 
1%.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Albert J Rachide
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

 

4060 ohms?


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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

[Chuck McCown]

Back when I was doing lots of through hole products, I could read a resistor 
without thinking about it.  I used to be pretty good at morse code too...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:27 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

Whether it’s bands on resistors, or Cat5 wires, Asian manufacturers seem to 
have a problem with colors.  Back in the old days when stuff was actually made 
in the U.S. of A., there was no confusing brown and orange, or white and grey, 
or blue and purple.  But now all the colors are faded and a little off.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck Macenski
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

 

The larger blank band separates the value from the accuracy band starts. As to 
what those colors actually are, well, I really couldn't tell.

 

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:26 PM  wrote:

  Actually Ken got it right.

  My DVM was reading .802k and I had a brain fart thinking it was 802k and 
there was no way I could make 802K match the colors.  

  Not sure why it cannot display 802 instead.  Fluke.  I even manually set the 
range and it just says over limit on the straight ohm setting.

   

  But I could not figure out which end to start reading from, the gray band 
looks like it could be white or silver to my eyes.

   

  So brown black blue black gray should be 106 ohms, right?

   

  How are you supposed to know which end to start with on these precision 
resistors?

   

   

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:40 PM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

   

  Is that first band grey or white?  Makes more sense that it’s grey.  806 ohms 
1%.

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Albert J Rachide
  Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:37 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

   

  4060 ohms?


  Al Rachide
  Pink Hill, NC

   

   


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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

[Ken Hohhof]

Most stuff has gone to SMDs and has numbers not color bands.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 9:32 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

 

Back when I was doing lots of through hole products, I could read a resistor 
without thinking about it.  I used to be pretty good at morse code too...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:27 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

 

Whether it’s bands on resistors, or Cat5 wires, Asian manufacturers seem to 
have a problem with colors.  Back in the old days when stuff was actually made 
in the U.S. of A., there was no confusing brown and orange, or white and grey, 
or blue and purple.  But now all the colors are faded and a little off.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck Macenski
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

 

The larger blank band separates the value from the accuracy band starts. As to 
what those colors actually are, well, I really couldn't tell.

 

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:26 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Actually Ken got it right.

My DVM was reading .802k and I had a brain fart thinking it was 802k and there 
was no way I could make 802K match the colors.  

Not sure why it cannot display 802 instead.  Fluke.  I even manually set the 
range and it just says over limit on the straight ohm setting.

 

But I could not figure out which end to start reading from, the gray band looks 
like it could be white or silver to my eyes.

 

So brown black blue black gray should be 106 ohms, right?

 

How are you supposed to know which end to start with on these precision 
resistors?

 

 

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:40 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

 

Is that first band grey or white?  Makes more sense that it’s grey.  806 ohms 
1%.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Albert J Rachide
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

 

4060 ohms?


Al Rachide
Pink Hill, NC

 

 


 

 

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On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:16 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:


What should the resistance be?


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Re: [AFMUG] Proposed Licensed Link Potential Conflict

[mhopkins]

  Thank you Tim, I'll send it over to you. They are adjacent channels, I
think maybe Micronet meant that because there was at least 2.8 MHz
between the two that it should be OK. The emission designator 74M4D7D
implies the AF-11FX actually occupies 74.4 MHz. I just get nervous
sometimes about adjacent channels.
  I use Comsearch for our coordinations, hopefully it was a good 40 years
for you.


On Wed, Jun 19, 2019, 2:04 PM Tim Hardy  wrote: Matt,

Send me the PCN and I'll take a look at it and let you know.  2.8 MHz
separation doesn't sound right at 11 GHz since there is no frequency plans
that would give you that kind of separation.

Thanks,

Tim Hardy

FYI, I was one of the three founders of Comsearch back in 1977 and retired
in 2017 after 40 years - enjoying life at the beach, so you can see, I
have
no dog in this fight.

> On Jun 19, 2019, at 4:43 PM, mhopk...@onlinenw.com wrote:
> Hello,
>We have a SAF 80MHz 11GHz link between a couple of towers. There is a
> new PCN for a new 80MHz UBNT AF-11FX link that is at the same tower site
as one of our ends. Their path would shoot past our tower at that site.
There is 2.8MHz of separation between our channels and the polarity is
the same (H). We have many licensed links but we are pretty rural and
have not had any other PCNs this close to our
> channels. Would you be comfortable with allowing this link? We reached
out to the coordinator for the new link and they said it is within the
acceptable range. Thank you in advance for any insight you can
> provide.
> Matt Hopkins
> Network Administrator
> 503.687.1030
> mhopk...@onlinenw.net
> onlinenw.com



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