On Friday, 24 April 2015 14:27:53 UTC+1, John Cremona wrote:
>
> On 24 April 2015 at 10:32, tha...@debian.org <javascript:> <
> tha...@debian.org <javascript:>> wrote: 
> > Whether it is an embedded fork in sage or it gets its own git repo on 
> the 
> > sage github account.. Someone from the sage community would have to fix 
> bugs 
> > in both cases. 
>
> Yes!  But I think that David Harvey *is* a member of the Sage 
> community (unless he says otherwise...) 
>

his other contribution to Sage  
http://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~davidharvey/code/bernmm/index.html
talks about using it from Sage...



> John 
>
> > 
> > Am Freitag, 24. April 2015 10:37:56 UTC+2 schrieb John Cremona: 
> >> 
> >> Who is the author of hyperellfrob? 
> >> 
> >> There is a point in addition to Michael's:   maintaining a fork which 
> >> only differs with respect to libtools packaging is one thing, but we 
> >> would also need someone to take responsibility for any bugs found in 
> >> the code, if the original author was not able, willing or available to 
> >> respond. 
> >> 
> >> John 
> >> 
> >> On 24 April 2015 at 00:54, Michael Orlitzky <mic...@orlitzky.com> 
> wrote: 
> >> > On 04/23/2015 04:56 PM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> Can't we work with upstream (the authors) to package these? 
> >> >> For starters, none of these seem very active projects. In 
> particular, 
> >> >> hyperellfrob and bernmm have their last release in 2008 and 2009. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Second, what if the authors don't care? 
> >> >> 
> >> > 
> >> > There are two kinds of don't care: 
> >> > 
> >> >   1. The author doesn't like autotools or doesn't want to accept 
> >> >      outside contributions. 
> >> > 
> >> >   2. The code was for an old project and the author can't be bothered 
> >> >      with it any more. 
> >> > 
> >> > Both have the same solution: fork it and make releases on the 
> sagemath 
> >> > github or wherever. In the case of (2), this is obviously best for 
> >> > everyone. If it's (1) instead, then most of our additions will be 
> >> > independent of the "real" code making it trivial for us to merge 
> >> > upstream changes. Then our fork will be the better fork (since it 
> builds 
> >> > easily and has all the same features), and people will use our fork 
> >> > instead. Eventually the author will come around, or if not, that's 
> not a 
> >> > huge problem either. 
> >> > 
> >> > We're essentially maintaining a fork now, so it wouldn't necessarily 
> be 
> >> > more work after we're done auto-tooling it. 
> >> > 
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