On 11/18/14 10:36 AM, William Stein wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Anne Schilling <a...@math.ucdavis.edu> > wrote: >> On 11/18/14 7:55 AM, Harald Schilly wrote: >>> >>> On Monday, November 17, 2014 3:26:18 PM UTC+1, kcrisman wrote: >>> >>> What if instead of a "code of conduct" there was a "community >>> expectations" SHORT document that just say what we expect? >>> >>> >>> I'm a little bit late to this thread, but I've read all the mails. This >>> "expectations" document sounds interesting to me, whereas I'm a bit >>> hesitant to this "code of conduct" thing. In my eyes, it is >>> stating a lot of obvious things, and doesn't solve immediate problems. I >>> agree that it could be abused in some way, just because it exists and hence >>> it is a leverage point. e.g. phrases like "poor >>> behavior" are a bit hollow for me. (*) >> >> Saying that discussions that get out of hand can be relegated to sage-flame >> is, I think, important. >> For example, I did not know that we could do that until very recently. >> Stating explicitly how this can >> be done might be good. >> >>> We should not forget, that most of us here (as mathematicians & researchers >>> in general) are trained to be (a) very picky and (b) long-term persistent. >>> Those ingredients do not help if a discussion >>> derails into lengthy substitution-arguments to just make a point in a >>> time-consuming thread. What would actually help in such situations is to >>> step back and look at the bigger picture. Maybe there >>> should be an intervention team of "senior" community people to sort this >>> out: e.g. just posting "DRAMA MODE" as a signal for everyone to stop it? >>> But who are those and how do they gain authority? >> >> One problem with this is that the intervention team might not be reading all >> threads. >> So having a way to say where there is a problem might still be useful. >> I agree deciding who the intervention team is is an important question. >> Probably William >> would be a good choice. > > Here is I think a concrete, apolitical proposal. > > Given the potentially political nature of such a choice, one > possibility is to do something apolitical, and select based on > ownership. In particular, based on lines of code contributed to Sage, > which is an (imperfect!) but non-politicial measure of how much > ownership people have in Sage (with legal value, since people do not > contribute their copyright). By this definition: > > > https://github.com/sagemath/sage/graphs/contributors?from=2006-02-05&to=2014-11-18&type=a > > the top 12 all time list of contributors to Sage, in order, are: > > - William Stein > - Mike Hansen > - Volker Braun > - Jereon Demeyer > - Nathann Cohen > - Robert Bradshaw > - Robert Miller > - Simon King > - John Palmieri > - Jason Grout > - Nicholas Thiery > - David Kirkby > > > We could: > > 1. Create a private mailing list called sage-abuse with these people > as members. > > 2. Make a clear statement on the sagemath.org website, etc., that if > people think a thread should be on sage-flame, send a message to the > sage-abuse list. > > 3. The sage-abuse list members will have a quick discussion and if > what to do isn't clear, they will vote (which means a quick on-list > vote that must be completed within one day). If a majority votes to > move the discussion should move to sage-flame, they ensure it moves. > > For now, the sage-abuse group would have exactly one duty, which is to > ensure that discussions get moved to sage-flame when requested. > That's it. We would give this a try for 6 months, and only then > revisit whether the group should expand its duties or be dissolved.
This looks in principle like a good idea. However, how did you obtain this data? Is this code contributed to Sage? On the link that you post above, there are definitely contributors missing that have contributed lots of code. So how precisely is this data obtained? Best, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
