> > >> 1. Continuing to lose talented Sage developers specifically because > >> they do not feel comfortable with the tone of the lists, and > > > > > > Can you give an example of this, even if vaguely? I don't read every > > conversation on the lists, but in my personal experience, the community > has > > been very supportive, even when I'm an idiot. (Sometimes you have been > > supportive *especially* when I'm an idiot.) I do see a lot of >
I think the community is quite welcoming to true newcomers who clearly do not know the ropes. I think the problem comes in when people have tried and achieved a certain amount of comfort with the tools but then encounter either a philosophical problem between two different visions for some area of Sage or around some other non-mathematical thing. Then people can vote with their feet, and are very unlikely to bother spending time on a list - or, for that matter, replying to this thread (which is what I meant when I said a couple dozen or whatever). And as much as some mathematicians are political figures, probably most of them first and foremost just want to get some math done. It's also frustrating to hear that there are private development discussions, though I do understand why, and I have to admit that sometimes I am embarrassed at how much I talk to myself on tickets with my own debugging log that no one wants to hear, maybe that *should* be private. What if instead of a "code of conduct" there was a "community expectations" SHORT document that just say what we expect? (perhaps based on this thread as well as the original document Volker et al. (who were the et al?) suggested) Expecting doesn't mean it always happens, just like a budget ;-) But I agree 100% with William about supporting the person who feels attacked, when that may happen, rather than playing the blame game. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
