On Monday, November 17, 2014 3:26:18 PM UTC+1, kcrisman wrote:
>
> What if instead of a "code of conduct" there was a "community 
> expectations" SHORT document that just say what we expect? 
>

I'm a little bit late to this thread, but I've read all the mails. This 
"expectations" document sounds interesting to me, whereas I'm a bit 
hesitant to this "code of conduct" thing. In my eyes, it is stating a lot 
of obvious things, and doesn't solve immediate problems. I agree that it 
could be abused in some way, just because it exists and hence it is a 
leverage point. e.g. phrases like "poor behavior" are a bit hollow for me. 
(*)

We should not forget, that most of us here (as mathematicians & researchers 
in general) are trained to be (a) very picky and (b) long-term persistent. 
Those ingredients do not help if a discussion derails into lengthy 
substitution-arguments to just make a point in a time-consuming thread. 
What would actually help in such situations is to step back and look at the 
bigger picture. Maybe there should be an intervention team of "senior" 
community people to sort this out: e.g. just posting "DRAMA MODE" as a 
signal for everyone to stop it? But who are those and how do they gain 
authority?

Apart from that, I think there should also be a clarification if such rules 
are exercised on a case-by-case or person-per-person basis. I'm pretty 
sure, that if someone starts to break the rules in one thread, doesn't mean 
that we should exclude that person forever. That could very well be a 
temporary phase, some short slightness, or only happening when interacting 
with one certain person.

-- Harald

(*) even my email could be regarded as poor behavior, because I wasn't 
thankful to all of those who did work on drafting those 4 rules.

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