I regularly build proper multiarch (so x86 and arm) Sage Docker containers, e.g.,
https://hub.docker.com/repository/docker/sagemathinc/sagemath/general https://hub.docker.com/orgs/sagemathinc/repositories -- William On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 10:00 PM 'Nasser M. Abbasi' via sage-devel <sage-devel@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hello; > > Has anyone considered making sage as container? This will eliminate all these > issues being discussed here, I would think. > > Google AI says this: > > "Container-based software delivery packages applications and their > dependencies > into lightweight, isolated environments called containers, enabling > consistent and > reliable deployment across different computing environments" > > "Benefits of Containerization: > > Portability: Containers can run consistently across different environments, > from development to production, without compatibility issues. > Efficiency: Containers are lightweight and resource-efficient, requiring > fewer resources than virtual machines. > Scalability: Containers can be easily scaled up or down, making them ideal > for modern, cloud-native applications. > Consistency: Containerized applications run the same way regardless of the > underlying infrastructure, ensuring consistency across deployments." > > I do not know if this can work for sage, but it seems to me, sagemath being a > very complicated and advanced > software with many parts with many dependencies, a container type delivery > will be perfect solution. > > --Nasser > > On Wednesday, April 9, 2025 at 11:21:49 PM UTC-5 dim...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9 April 2025 18:54:13 GMT-05:00, Nils Bruin <nbr...@sfu.ca> wrote: >> >On Wednesday, 9 April 2025 at 16:44:31 UTC-7 dim...@gmail.com wrote: >> > >> >As I already explained, it's quite a stretch by Sage's standards to call >> >python3 package standard. Because it is not tested enough; >> >because few months into release, the supposedly stable Sage release is >> >often not installable, not the least due to rapidly aging Python >> >toolchain. >> > >> >Are you saying that python source distributions bitrot particularly >> >quickly? Is there something particular about python that breaks their >> >source distributions so quickly? If that's the case, I think that's >> >concerning in itself. >> >> it's not unusual for some "move fast and break things" OS vendors to change >> APIs in incompatible ways, update toolchains in incompatible ways, e.g. >> Apple does it quite often, as we learned over the years. And do not forget >> rolling release OSes. >> >> python (minor) releases come up every 2 months, sometimes every month. I >> gather it's in response to the OS updates, in part. >> >> Our releases are less frequent, and we often don't check that Sage works on >> such and such betas and pre-releases. >> >> >> > It should be possible to build a python source >> >distribution that is a few years old without a problem, right? >> >> no, not really. On some Linux OSes like Debian, some open-source BSDs >> perhaps, on others much less so. >> >> E.g. Apple's XCode update released a short while ago has broken Sage 10.6. >> (as the C++ compiler got a version bump). >> >> Vendors of maths soft should not want to come close to components which >> closely interact with the OS, such as compilers and interpreters, unless >> they just cannot avoid it. In case of Python it's surely beneficial not to >> come close to it, as Python's vendor does a very good job in doing ptompt >> updates, a surely a much better job than our attempts to vendor them. >> Same applies to compilers. >> >> >> > Its >> >prerequisites shouldn't be breaking their APIs on such short timescales. >> >> Tell this to Apple, RedHat (i.e. IBM). :-) >> >> Dima >> >> > >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/03351ca7-e41b-46b8-beea-0ab36d510a79n%40googlegroups.com. -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CACLE5GDXNQzB6MCh7pJM5naip%3Dw4TGKQLXUxSQ1swcXVroEFwg%40mail.gmail.com.
