On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 8:20:18 AM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote:

On Sun, 28 May 2023, 15:43 Matthias Koeppe, <matthia...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 3:31:07 AM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote:

[...] we are trying to move to using 
unvendored Python packages, 
i.e. these that come with "system Python", where the latter refers to 
the unvendored Python used by Sage 
instead of its own Python3


Would you mind elaborating what you mean by this?


indeed, https://github.com/sagemath/sage/issues/29023 is the meta-ticket to 
oversee this process. Needless to say this needs more effort.


Speaking as someone who has worked on this, I'll just add that I do not see 
this as a promising or important direction for the Sage project. Mixing 
system Python packages with pip-installed packages is very tricky, and I 
consider it unlikely that we can create a stable solution based on this for 
the Sage distribution.

I can also point at the already existing possibility  to use Conda's Python 
packages on a Conda-based install.


This mode of installation 
(https://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/installation/conda.html#using-conda-to-provide-all-dependencies-for-the-sage-library-experimental)
 
bypasses the Sage distribution entirely and installs the Sage library 
separately using pip.

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