On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 4:31 PM Matthias Koeppe
<matthiaskoe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 8:20:18 AM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>
> On Sun, 28 May 2023, 15:43 Matthias Koeppe, <matthia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 3:31:07 AM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>
> [...] we are trying to move to using
> unvendored Python packages,
> i.e. these that come with "system Python", where the latter refers to
> the unvendored Python used by Sage
> instead of its own Python3
>
>
> Would you mind elaborating what you mean by this?
>
>
> indeed, https://github.com/sagemath/sage/issues/29023 is the meta-ticket to 
> oversee this process. Needless to say this needs more effort.
>
>
> Speaking as someone who has worked on this, I'll just add that I do not see 
> this as a promising or important direction for the Sage project. Mixing 
> system Python packages with pip-installed packages is very tricky, and I 
> consider it unlikely that we can create a stable solution based on this for 
> the Sage distribution.

You misunderstood. By "system" I don't mean the OS, I mean an
environment which does not need Python packages vendored by Sage;
Conda is one example of this.

I certainly agree that insisting on OS Python is not a good idea.

>
> I can also point at the already existing possibility  to use Conda's Python 
> packages on a Conda-based install.
>
>
> This mode of installation 
> (https://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/installation/conda.html#using-conda-to-provide-all-dependencies-for-the-sage-library-experimental)
>  bypasses the Sage distribution entirely and installs the Sage library 
> separately using pip.

So what? How is this relevant to the question at hand?

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