On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:19:52 AM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote:

On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 5:01 PM Matthias Koeppe 
<matthia...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > d) In contrast, our uses of NumPy/SciPy in the Sage library are very 
basic 
> > and dating back by about a decade; 
> No, not true. E.g. 
> schemes/riemann_surfaces/riemann_surface.py is neither "basic" nor 
> dating back that much - it's also under relatively active development, 
see its header: 
> - Alexandre Zotine, Nils Bruin (2017-06-10) [...]  (2022-09-07): 
Abel-Jacobi map 
> It's using Voronoi diagrams from scipy. 
> 
> Well, scipy.spatial.Voronoi was added in SciPy 0.12.0 (
https://docs.scipy.org/doc/scipy/reference/generated/scipy.spatial.Voronoi.html),
 
released pretty much exactly a decade ago -- 
https://pypi.org/project/scipy/#history 

1) You wrote: "OUR USES of NumPy/SciPy are ... dating back by about a 
decade". 
2) I replied that it's not true, Voronoi's USE in Sage in much more recent. 
3) You are now trying to invalidate what I wrote by telling us about 
the history of Voronoi in SciPy. How is it relevant to 1) and 2) ? 
See, what you wrote is FACTUALLY INCORRECT. Please admit it


Yes, I confess that "dating back" was not worded clearly enough. I'm sorry 
that I offended you with that.

I should have said "our uses of NumPy/SciPy are of NumPy/SciPy features 
that date back by about a decade".

Which is exactly the point I was making: When we update NumPy/SciPy, it is 
typically NOT because of the needs of the Sage library for new features but 
because we want to stay on supported versions, for picking up portability 
fixes, etc., and for the convenience of the maintainers of downstream 
packaging of Sage in Linux distributions.

The only exception that I'm aware of being the high-performance 
optimization solver HiGHS, see 
https://github.com/sagemath/sage/wiki/Sage-10.0-Release-Tour#linear-programming-and-extensions
). 
Do you know others?

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