On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:51:23 +0100 (CET), Bernhard Rosenkraenzer said:
> On 16 Jan 2001, Jean Francois Martinez wrote:
>
> > Linux really NEEDS a journaling filesystem.
>
> Right... ext3 will hopefully be ready soon.
>
> > No journalling means no desktop
>
> Show me the journalling FAT filesystem or convince everyone that Windoze
> {3.1,95,98,Me} are not suitable for the desktop.
Windows was designed with crashes in mind so AFAIK it does not cache as much as
Linux do and repairs are faster. I still have to see the Windows repair
utilities prompt the user for what to do with inode number 152568. This
happens in Linux (it is not designed for crashing) and to add insult to injury
the keytables are not loaded when fsck happens because RedHat does not put a
copy of the keytable in / like Mandrake does so you have no national keyboard
unttil /usr is mounted. At times I wonder if there is a single RedHat employee
who knows there is people east of Rhode Island in the fabled countries of
France, United Kingdom and Germany. :-)
> I greatly prefer it if you do the latter (no need to convince me though,
> I already am). ;)
>
> > since is just to easy when you power down the computer at the wrong moment to
> > hose the filesystem to apoint it cannot be recovered by a normal fsck.
>
> The right "fix" for the stupid user (guess that's what you mean by
> desktop) would probably be replacing the manual fsck with another automatic
> fsck that simply answers yes to everything.
> This can mess up the filesystem in some cases, but it won't challenge the
> user, and it's probably what some other OSes do.
>
I would not say stupid. You see Unix is based on the idea that there is no
such thing as an unassisted beginner. In Linux we have home users (or could
have if we were not so stupid) and if you think in home users you will notice
that user will be administering the box unassisted from the very first minute.
Instead of stupid say "users learning the hard way".
> > I would like if distributions waited a bit until all filesystems are ready
> > instead of jumping on Reiser like others are doing. But I think that is
> > dreaming
>
> It isn't - it's what we're doing (at least until at least one of the
> journalling FSes is really ready for prime time).
>
I was speaking of distributionS ie all of them. Instead we will see most of
them race to ReiserFS without waiting to see if it really deserves to be the
next standard filesystem.
JF Martinez
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